would be nice to know what he thinks about Paul's letters, ie, whether they were genuine, when they were written, and to what extent they describe real events.
Idiotic as most of these things are. Christ consciousness exists; consciousness itself is ‘the hard problem’ for today’s philosophers. In the East there was Krishna and in the West Christ two Avatars who demonstrated that it is possible not only to be conscious of the body and the environment but also be conscious of the whole universe. This is called Cosmic Consciousness which Christ had as many Avatars in the East also had and also have today. A lot is written about physical evolution but nothing about the evolution of human consciousness and mind into cosmic consciousness. Krishna in the East and Christ in the West shows the possibilities for human consciousness and how far it can evolve; to being consciousness in the whole universe and the whole cosmos. Kenneth Humphreys is not intelligent enough, or informed enough, to understand this and he should keep his ignorance to himself and not seek to propagate it.
Know what you mean. These people convince you that you might be tortured forever if you think the wrong thoughts. Which immediately forces you to think the wrong thoughts.
POINT 11: What the last pagan emperor thought: "It is, I think, expedient to set forth to all mankind the reasons by which I was convinced that the fabrication of the Christians is a fiction of men composed by wickedness. Though it has in it nothing divine, by making full use of that part of the soul which loves fable and is childish and foolish, it has induced men to believe that the monstrous tale is truth." (Julian)
The problem is, God fundamentally understood, or the proposition, is by definition the very first principle. In classical western theism. And we find that its in the category of metaphysics definitionally, which means you cannot get rid of the principle. Not affirming the truth of "first principles" regarding the metaphysical or transcendental categories, crashes and burns philosophically. Because the principles pertain to the necessary preconditions of our existence AND for intelligibility generally. As identified in the history of philosophy and science! I'm not making any arbitrary claims. Then it follows from the metaphysical or transcendental necessity for God's existence, or that the very first principle is true, that God is working in mysterious way. The old cliche is right. And its obvious, all we have to do is look at the World. Right? And its clear that a creator God is being hidden and mysterious on purpose, and it would be for morally sufficient reasons. That follows necessary! Due to how God would be the "ground of all being" , to include for the intelligibility of the different concepts or principles in ethics. Or moral principles/facts.
Julian the Apostate. He was far ahead of his times.Tried to prevent xianity engulfing europe with dark ages.which it did because they got him assassinated.I read his Against the Galleleans. Brilliant guy.
My parents made me go to Sunday school as a part of my educational process. The understanding was that I could quit at the point that I considered it not useful. I was 11 when we were going over the Ark story. My family owned World Book Encyclopedia and I was required to read something daily from it. I told the SS teacher that it was impossible to put two of every type and breed of animal on one boat. The teacher un-invited me to attend class. Fine by me.😅😊
Pretty similar to my story as well. I asked how day 1, 2, and 3 came about when the sun wasn't created until day 4. Instead of getting an explanation I was labelled a disrespectful trouble maker. I figured out it was BS on the spot!
Exactly.There must have been hundreds of thousands of animals/insects. The 'ark' must have been several times bigger than the biggest ship existing today.😂😂😂👍🇮🇪🇷🇺
Very grateful for people who can see this (to me) obvious truth. People FREAK OUT when I tell them Jesus was not a real person. A man I was on a date with literally walked out of the restaurant we were in! 😂😂😂
I saw a man walking on water. He was 100 feet off shore but turns out the water was only 1/2 inch deep. It was an illusion. This was south side of Lake Erie at a state park. I talked to him, he assured me he was not jesus, he gave me a beer. Nice guy. When a stranger gives you a beer when you're camping and you dont have a beer, well, that's worthy of praise, miracle or not. Cheers!
And lo from his hands he did produce the wine of the grain, and they did partake and were filled with the spirit, and He said, "It is good," as they both ascended into the Heavens.
Indeed... I've seen lots of people similarly walking on water at St Kilda (Sth Oz) when the tide was low on the tidal flats there... they were looking for crabs. Happens all the time! Happy Dionysia! 😉
we were created that way, its simple :3 many think and believe they are not religious, but we all somehow believe in something as it were a fact, it heals our mind instead of THINKING about it for real... About worshipping well, we are a kind who loves to follow the herd, what we called society, so many of us are raised this way, at home, at school, and so on. We are trained to behave in a certain way in certain situations, we are tained animals :3 and thats why in shot BECAUSE MANY OF US BELIEVE AND WORSHIP THINGS LIKE "DEATH, THE SUN, SAINTS, VIRGINS, gods and so on..." regards.
People want to try to explain the things they still don't understand. Imagine being born a long time ago, when nobody knew why the sun rose & set every day, let alone what the sun really was, or what causes natural phenomenon like rain & tornados. Somebody said it was "the gods" or the "Great Spirit," and the idea caught on so much that they started thinking they needed human sacrifices just to make it rain, or to prevent a volcano from erupting. Did it work? I don't think so. But people are still trying to find the answers.
It is been studied in psychology. Humans have a need to believe. Say you hear a noise in the bushes and your instincts tell you it is a leopard, you are safer believing it is than not and finding out it actually was. When a story is told that threatens your very existence and for eternity, you want to be safe.
I wasn't aware that Ken had been on your channel Jacob, but I'm so pleased that you have he's great to listen to and that was an excellent conversation. Thank you both.
I was age 14 at my Presbyterian Sunday class held in a side room. We did not go to the preaching services except for Xmas and Easter. We were listening to our instructor discuss Moses and the touching the rock to bring forth water. Moses tapped twice, I tapped out. Never looked back and never went back.
I didn't have a single point where I lost my faith, but all along as they told me things which made completely no sense I questioned everything and kept asking them questions they had no answers for. I left religion and left catholic school around the same age you did, but not for any one reason, because I could never believe all the nonsense they were trying to feed me all along and because they never had any acceptable answers to any of my questions.
I went to a born again from age 10-12, and they were psychos about the end times and demons, and everything being Satanic all the time. 30 years later, they livestream their services, and it’s the same Pastor and his entire family, just like the Righteous Gemstones TV Show. They’re balling with a rich lifestyle now, with a bunch of dumb and broke people in their pews. And they use this mindfuck that they’re blessed as evidence of their material blessings and the broke people in their pews aren’t good enough Christians since they’re not getting blessed by God. It’s really sad, and they should be taxed at 45%.
I never got any sensible answer out of any Christian (or even had an answer when I was a Christian!) about what was the point of Jesus anyway? Surely an all powerful god can just forgive sin himself (or indeed get rid of evil altogether) which makes the idea of Jesus somewhat redundant.
The god of the bible is not omni-potent and not omni-benevolent ,these attributes were given to him by theologians way later than the Old test ,and later even than the new test. The god of the bible is not omniscient either ,he finds out Adam and Eve ate the fruit after they do it and he has to search for them through the garden ,if he was omniscient he would know directly where to find them without searching. From the beginning of the story the first thing we learn if that god is not omni-potent ,takes him 6 days to make reality (instead of an instant) and than he has to REST. etc. You are making a strawmen argument asking them about an omnipotent god when the god of the bible is limited in potency. I am atheist also btw.
From what I've learned, the atonement system somehow underlined the severity of breaking the relationship with God. If there's no sanction, then who cares. And death is quite a prominent penalty. First we had animals as substitute sacrifices, then, theologically speaking, the God-man himself. But it was not just for blood. Jesus was like, "now that I have your attention, be aware that the blood system sucks. God needs no more blood, He needs you to share his values. I need it. So no more strict rules but a decent spiritual moral. I offer you the guidelines, and my mercy covers the rest."
@@DrIT-qv1ek I like the Sufi's because they don't seem to believe in a separate God. They experience being God themselves. Some of them get beheaded by Muslims for being heretical.
The point that REALLY made me first question the Christian god was when I thought “why does god need a human blood sacrifice to forgive our sins? If he’s subject to that law, then that law is more powerful than god! And then who made that law? It never ends. Pure stupidity.
@@ghostriders_1 I bet Socrates, Plato and Aristotle never existed. Julius Caesar was probably just a statue. Augustus Caesar was another "Son of God," so he didn't exist either. Seneca? He was just a cartoon. Origen and Justin Martyr were likely comic book heroes. George Washington never existed either. The CIA just made up Washington and Jefferson like they made up the moon landing. Marilyn Monroe didn't really die of a barbiturate overdose, because she didn't really exist. Hollywood stars were just early lifelike animated AI bots created by Disney. What could be more obvious? You know, life is really just a hologram. I'm not sure we exist either. But popular book peddlers are real. Those book peddlers will say anything to idiots for money.
@@scottmcloughlin4371 lightweight sarcasm is not evidence or argument. Some you mention did exist, some probably not. Your no comedian just an empty cynic. Time to grow up & show some real interest in the topic.
I like how Ken isn't super focused on the scholarship. Usually this is a big turn off. He really points out some should-be-obvious things that I never really thought about.
I remember sitting in church at 7 years old listening to the pastor and thinking "What a bunch of crap" I thought it was Hokum then now I know it is. Convoluted, contradictory fairy tales sound more ridiculous every time I hear them. It's amazing to me rational adults still believe this nonsense.
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IKR? snakes talking to women? magic trees? Is that supposed to be serious?
Same, I went to Catholic schools, still not sure why my mum stopped going to church in her teens, my dad doesn't have any belief , anyway, I went to Catholic primary school, very early on it all felt wrong, even more so the older I got , confirmation etc, 1 big waste of time, I think jesus prob existed, I think there's a God/ creator but religion has nothing to do with either... If Christianity and jesus was such a threat to Satan/ dark energy, the churches would of been destroyed thousands of years ago... They remain cause the rulers of this world want them there, to bring revenue and keep people in life and distracted from what we really are
37:00 In fact we had dozens of gospels, with lots of uncertainty and conflict about which of them should be used. (Note I did not say which is historically accurate.) Until much later, when the 4 were settled on, Christians drew ideas and beliefs from all these dozens of gospels and the stories they told varied wildly. This is itself an argument against the accuracy of the 4 gospels. The people who chose those 4 were even farther removed in time from the alleged events than the people who wrote all the apocrypha. So they were in a worse position to determine which gospels were historically accurate (if any). For this reason I don't think historical accuracy was either their interest or their intention. I think their intention was more likely political, to narrow down and control the message with at least a moderate degree of consistency, so that they could bring cohesion to the various Christian communities, create a single community, and thereby control it better.
This dude has such a comprehensive and incisive understanding of the Jesus story and gives a smashing critique of it on so many levels as to its origins, growth and maintenance in Western culture. But as he says, when you’re a Believe, facts don’t matter.
@@johnholmesinchesahead342 They aren't, but I'm pretty sure you are. Atheists don't have an investment in whether it's true or not; if evidence comes forth that Jesus was a real person, we'd just accept it (not the divinity, just the man; divinity is a whole different category of burden of proof). But you, on the other hand, want to believe it, because you're scared of being wrong.
To be honest, not one thing that Kenneth said is new. Most clergy, if they've been adequately trained know all this stuff, but Kenneth isn't taking it to the next level, the meta-level where he might see the transcendentalist truth behind it. The famous German theologian Rudolf Bultmann said, 'Faith must never be allowed to be dependent upon the labours of a historian'. The Christ within idea is just not catered for in Kenneth's mindset.
@@Prospro8 Yeah I agree that part is useful. The earliest Christians knew Jesus was an allegorical myth and they used it as a teaching tool. It was Rome that literalized the Jesus story.. I love the teachings myself. Love God (I interpret that as loving reality) Love your neighbor, love your enemies. It really liberates you when you practice these teachings but you need the powerful non-dual experiences to really understand it, that's what Kenneth is missing, the powerful divine and mystical experiences. Who cares if there was historical Jesus walking around.
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@@Prospro8 "The Christ within" you mean the bullshit within. FIFY.
I think the miracle of calming the sea is about the fact that if you put some vegetable oil in wavy water it makes the waves reduce so much that you can see the flat area spreading out from where it was dropped in. In fact, in old times a sailing ship was saved by the captain dumping 5 gallons of oil overboard, it spread across an area of about a km around the ship. I saw a video showing the effect in a pond.
Now what was Jesus doing in a boat with 12 young men, even teenagers, and 5 gallons or so of olive oil? 🤔 These stories rapidly get very suspicious once you have a rational, non-miraculous way of achieving these "miracles"!
@@OrthoDavidSun I bet Socrates, Plato and Aristotle never existed. Julius Caesar was probably just a statue. Augustus Caesar was another "Son of God," so he didn't exist either. Seneca? He was just a cartoon. Origen and Justin Martyr were likely comic book heroes. Charlemagne too. He obviously never existed. George Washington never existed either. The CIA just made up Washington and Jefferson like they made up the moon landing. Marilyn Monroe didn't really die of a barbiturate overdose, because she didn't really exist. Hollywood stars were just early lifelike animated AI bots created by Disney. What could be more obvious? You know, life is really just a hologram. I'm not sure we exist either. But popular book peddlers are real. Those book peddlers will say anything to idiots to take their money.
There is only fabricated evidence such as the shroud of Turin, that christians cling on to, unwilling to see the truth about the fabrication of their sick superstition. A supersition that makes them miserable, and yet unable to set themselves free from it.
"As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand." --Josh Billings, 1865 "Believers" just want to believe. They never give a rat's ass about having evidence that supports their beliefs.
@@ima1sthuemanonearth91 The books of the bible are not pictures. I bet Socrates, Plato and Aristotle never existed. Julius Caesar was probably just a statue. Augustus Caesar was another "Son of God," so he didn't exist either. Seneca? He was just a cartoon. Origen and Justin Martyr were likely comic book heroes. Charlemagne too. He obviously never existed. George Washington never existed either. The CIA just made up Washington and Jefferson like they made up the moon landing. Marilyn Monroe didn't really die of a barbiturate overdose, because she didn't really exist. Hollywood stars were just early lifelike animated AI bots created by Disney. What could be more obvious? You know, life is really just a hologram. I'm not sure we exist either. But popular book peddlers are real. Those book peddlers will say anything to idiots to take their money.
We have two Jesus characters. The first was a wandering Jewish doomsday preacher who was finally executed as a public nuisance for stirring up the people in a period of political unrest. The second is a miracle working godman invented by the early Christians resulting in a collection of Jesus stories called the New Testament.
The key to all this is the Orphic and Dionysian mysteries. Once you get a better grasp of this, then, you begin to see right through the Christian smokescreen.
Paul went into the desert or Arabia and concocted the Christian religion that he preached for 3 months. Then he went and preached it. This is typically how all religions are made, including Islam and the Mormons and others. Their main founder spends time alone sequestered and then comes out with the message.
The story about Josephus being in the cave for three days, Josephus being by the side of Titus as he mirrors exactly the ministry of Jesus. Josephus seeing three friends on the crosses and taking down the bodies, surely, surely by now it is evidently clear exactly who is behind the gospel stories?? Clearly it is Josephus with full mandate from Rome.
Historians agree that there is not one written eyewitness account of Jesus during his lifetime. Strange since he was famous at birth, because wise men expected to see the future king of Jews who was born from a virgin married mother. Every leading Christian scholar since Erasmus, five hundred years ago, has maintained that the gospels were originally written in Greek from 70 to 140 CE (Mark after the year 70, Luke about 110, Matthew about 130, and John no earlier than 140 CE). This proves that they were not written by Christ's apostles, disciples or by any of the early Christians. Others say: “There is no proof of the Gospels existing before 130 CE” Jesus is depicted as hugely popular in the gospels. Yet he is unrecorded by non-Biblical historians. Paul was the first one to write about Jesus around 60CE; but he, like everyone else, never saw Jesus. He experienced a vision of the resurrected Jesus. Even Paul’s existence is in serious doubt. John Gresham Machen wrote: The establishment of Christianity as a world religion, to almost as great an extent as any great historical movement can be ascribed to one man, was the work of Paul. I also read that the history of the first three popes was invented because they never existed. All myth! Seek the truth!
Tiberius Julius Alexander was Titus’ chief of staff and watched as the temple was sacked. He wrote under pseudonym Josephus and is the founder of the Xian religion. Josephus’ biography is a fiction.
@@charlesbrowne9590 Josephus clearly is of Flavian and Herodian stock just like Vaspasian was and some people even place Titus as Josephus’ cousin. They are the pens behind Peter and Paul, with Paul attributed to the works of Pliny the Younger Josephus’ foster brother. However looking at these works, they will have been done by a literary team not one man or even two and yes Ur Markus and Ur Mattheus Gould be the q documents but they stem back to Seneca and the first attempt to write a global religion. There are multiple real Jesuses and they are spoken about, preachers and high priests. Then there is the gospel Jesus and the whole thing is actually the cruellest most scathing mockery of Judaism ever. It’s offensive and deliberately so. I would say that everything except for the Pentateuch is written by a Greek and Roman pens.
@@TheInterestedObserver Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I agree that the NT was written by a team of intellectuals with ready access to Jewish and Greek literature. I’ll bet it was written at the Great Library of Alexandria! The Library sought all the books of the world, so they might have had the entire corpus of Xian literature. This would have been a big problem for the church. Xians were called “the people of the book”. One advantage of the book over the scroll is that changes can be made by replacing a single page rather than the entire manuscript. Also, mass production of books is easier than with scrolls: each scribe need only copy one page many times.
Josephus may have mentioned a different Jesus in his Antiquities 18.3.3 & 20.9.1, but then the two passages following 18.3.3 seem to debunk what we read in the offending passage. 18.3.4 discredits the idea of demigods being born of gods being intimate with women and the supposed deity of Jesus in particular, and 18.3.5 seems to call out Christianity as a scam but not by name.
Tacitus on the other hand probably referred to Chrestus who gave Jews in Rome the impulse to riot during Claudius's reign (Suetonius, Lives of the 12 Caesars: Claudius 25.4) because the manuscript evidence shows that he didn't mention Christians but rather Chréstians.
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neither Josephus not Tacitus were even born when Jesus was supposedly crucified. They wouldn't know jack sht.
Have you investigated on the Arrius Piso theory? Claims Josephus, is just one of a dozen aliases of the Roman family that invented Christianity and its dogma. Other members of the family also wrote the Bible the last being Justin (revelation) and let's out their gematria secret code. With their code it becomes apparent that it is actually a very twisted book laden with even gay inside jokes!!
THERE'S AN IMPOSSIBILITY OF MIRACLES AND THERE'S AN IMPOSSIBILITY OF EVOLUTION. LOL I WOULD FOLLOW NO RELIGION BUT THERE HAS TO BE A CREATOR NO MATTER WHAT THAT CREATOR IS.
Christianity seems to be allegory based on the zodiac and the sun, borrowing from Ancient Egypt, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, and Judaism. It’s a conglomeration. (I grew up in RC church and schools)
Excellent work, Kenneth. All relayed with a hearty and healthy dose of humor. Oh, the tragically hilarious gullibility of our dubiously foolish specious. 😂
"And according to Mark so and so..." "And according to Peter so and so..." "And Paul said this and that." Who are those people saying "according to" and "this guy said this and that"? That we do not know. But the amount of shoehorning, special pleadings and mental gymnastic coming from believers is mind blowing.
I grew up in Sweden in the 1970-80's and in religious studies in school, this idea that we had all these similar cults but Christianity was the one cult that was based on a real guy, that was presented as pretty fishy. And we're not talking full blown mythisism here, but it was pointed out that was pretty weird. So that just has to be the starting point. Jesus looks a lot by all these other made up figures and the presupposition of Jesus being real, unless proven otherwise, that's not reasonable.
What is undemonstrable to those who have eyes but see not, others obtain by their prayers. "The fact that you believe does not make it a falsehood either."
@@kateknowles8055What utter prevarication. You have zero evidence for this storybook character so you just evade that by pretending your mental fantasies make him real. Yikes.
EVEN IF JESUS WAS A REAL , PROVEN HUMAN BEING ( BY MANY , MANY DIFFERENT RELIABLE SOURCES ) IT , IN NO WAY , MEANS THAT HE WAS GOD. AND ALL OF CHRITIANITY IS BASED ON JESUS BEING GOD . NOT THAT HE DID EXIST
My second watch of this conversation between Jacob and Ken, learning even more than last time now that I have read more. One of the best conclusions from psychology is that humans are not able to conceive of their own death, which may have evolutionary and self preservation aspects, and could be a big part of the explanation for all superstitious and religious belief.
I like Ken and I definitely think Jesus is just fictional. Edit: it’s hilarious how people will react to those four small words strung together: Jesus did not exist. See below for details.
@@kingofdetroit358 Martin Luther was a moron. Martin Luther King was real and a far better human than Martin Luther we have evidence . There isn’t a single piece of evidence that the buybull is right about anything.
I’ll tell you this. It makes more sense that there is an afterlife rather than nothing. Why would we endure so much and experience and grow and overcome just to be erased at the end of it all? That line of thinking never made sense to me. It seems that we are being prepared for something much bigger. The atheist is just as foolish as the fundamentalist. Two extremes on opposite ends of the spectrum. The truth is in the middle.
@14.00: 'a lot of it, (Christian scripture) of course, is an echo of the Old Testament. Well, who knew! ? And there' s plenty more where that little gem came from! This guy just cracks me up. Very entertaining, almost like a comedy spoof.
What puts an African like me off is the fact that I’m required by this Religion imposed at gunpoint upon my unsuspecting Ancestors, to look up to this deity crafted in the image and likeness of the longtime oppressor, exploiter and subjugator of my people, for salvation as well as gain access, to this higher being called God.,,
Iesous Christos meant annointed saviour but represents the Inner Light of Pure Consciousness - the Son of God refers to the purified ego in Gnosis [aka anandamayakosa, ochema or Garment of Light etc.].
As Freke and Gandy pointed out, the Greek spelling Iesous in the Gospels was not used by the Hebrews for Yeshoshua (Joshua) and was chosen as the letters added up numerically to 888. St Paul made it quite clear in regard to 'crucifixion' that he was not referring to a historical event but the traditional mythology of 'raising up' on the Tree associated with Tammuz etc. The Christians did not even use the Cross symbol until after Nicaea 325 c.e. but the Chi-Rho. A Roman seal from 300 c.e. has Orpheus-Bacchus as the crucified saviour!
Josephus’ Testimonium Flavianum has been shown beyond any reasonable doubt to be an interpolation by Goldberg in the 90s because it derives from the Emmaus story in Luke’s gospel.
Or he wrote the thing as is and in the next two passages subtly demonstrated the utter falsity of Christianity. I'm not even sure that the TF doesn't contain a subtle hint that Jesus never existed.
I can't seem to find Kenneth Humphrey's book the long version "Jesus Never Existed". I was only able to find the short version, "Jesus Never Existed: an Introductory"
Thank you Jacob and Kenneth. Jacob, for having Kenneth on, and Kenneth, for your massive work of exposing the sketchiness of Christianity. I've vacillated between there being an historical Jesus and none whatsoever and now I am convinced that there wasn't any that conforms to the scholarly consensus of the guild of New Testament scholarship. What evidence is there is just extremely dodgy. P.S. Right before this video I watched a lecture by Richard Carrier, who takes down the biblical "evidence" for an historical Jesus and advances a celestial Jesus for Christianity's origins. 🙏 I hope you have him on the show, Jacob. 🙂
@@lutkedog1 Yes that's correct as well - and ends up as 'Joshuah' in English not 'JESSUS' . What I find interesting though is when I only 'thought' of the only begotten Son of God Yahuah was named Jesus.. I still came to him - so we have to realize God does work through our own ignorance ..but for us to perpetuate the ignorance is where evil creeps in. Thanks for your reply friend.
@@Humphrey-x2z Christmas helped me see the fraud in the Churchianity. All they did was put a pagan ritual into the minds under this guise. I even heard that there could be direct evidence he was born on April 1st and is why they created April fools day to mock Him.
I used to say, Jesus knew the OOT enough that he and his friends just did what they had to to fulfil the prophecies. Self Fulfilled prophecies! Now I know even better, Thanks!
I am Jewish and I have great respect for the scholarship of Kenneth Humphreys when he talks about Paul . (Saul Of Tarsus ) and the fact what they claim Paul did and the logic of what he preaches about Jesus is nothing but fiction. But I must somewhat disagree on Jesus . The Jews never claimed he did not exist even in the early centuries . But if you actually heard him speak I believe few would be interested.. He sounded like those Christians you will see with the signs"Repent the end of the world is near" wandering through the cities even today. The ones most think are crazy.
@@History-Valley my apologies for sounding so short. I don't mind ads but some of them are minutes long, and every time it gets rolling in the conversation they put a pause on the topic.
Jesus is both historical and not. There likely was some kind of preacher inspired by John the Baptist that took over when John died. But he likely had very little to do with the Jesus of the Bible. Very few "miracles" are shared between the gospels. And those that do are the weaker ones that can be explained otherwise (feeding the people in the wilderness etc). So is a fictional character inspired by a real historical person a historical figure? Should we consider Doc from Back to the Future historical because he is the stereotypical Einstein like scientist, with Einstein being a real person? Or Rick from Rick and Morty for the same reason?
The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus provides external information on some people and events found in the New Testament. The extant manuscripts of Josephus' book Antiquities of the Jews, written around AD 93-94, contain two references to Jesus of Nazareth and one reference to John the Baptist.
All I can say this day if you give me a choice to pick nomatter what poeple say I will take the chance and pick Jesus Christ and if I am wrong I will never know about anything about my death there is nothing dead end 2 But if it is true then I would know because of all the promises in the Bible and will be the happiest person in the new world and life of no more problems ❤
You described Pascal's wager. There are hundreds of religions. You better make sure to follow and believe them all just in case one of the other religions happens to be true.
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic , I’m so happy to tell you that you are wrong! Jesus is Alive! He loves you. He knows every hair on your head… He knitted you in your Mother’s womb. You are precious to Him . I am going to pray for you. May God Bless you and your family 🙏🏽🙌🏽☝🏾
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic , Jesus changed TIME ! He raised the dead… healed the sick..gave vision to the blind… casted out demons and so much more! These accounts were witnessed by thousands. No one else has ever done what Jesus did and still does.
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@@BubbylovesJesus that is all made up bullshit. Little children need to believe that, not adults.
What an interesting analysis, glad I came across this!! I was taught to question everything, research and make up your own mind. I'm not the only one 👍👍😂
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would be nice to know what he thinks about Paul's letters, ie, whether they were genuine, when they were written, and to what extent they describe real events.
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Idiotic as most of these things are. Christ consciousness exists; consciousness itself is ‘the hard problem’ for today’s philosophers. In the East there was Krishna and in the West Christ two Avatars who demonstrated that it is possible not only to be conscious of the body and the environment but also be conscious of the whole universe.
This is called Cosmic Consciousness which Christ had as many Avatars in the East also had and also have today. A lot is written about physical evolution but nothing about the evolution of human consciousness and mind into cosmic consciousness.
Krishna in the East and Christ in the West shows the possibilities for human consciousness and how far it can evolve; to being consciousness in the whole universe and the whole cosmos.
Kenneth Humphreys is not intelligent enough, or informed enough, to understand this and he should keep his ignorance to himself and not seek to propagate it.
They poisoned my mind and it did take me years but I’m happy to be free.
SO happy for you!!!
Me too
Your mind has been poisoned by the “God of this World”, that is Satan.
Me too. Screw that mind poison.
if you call yourself free... what does that yin yang simbol means for you bro? :3 just asking. regards.
I’m a recovering Roman Catholic. They get you at a young age. Takes a long time to shake the programming. Luckily I wasn’t a victim of the priests.
The Catholic church is not this dumb. Don't conflate them with Protestant Evangelical Hillbilly inbred single-digit-IQ tribal idiocy.
Same here. Enjoy life :)!
Know what you mean. These people convince you that you might be tortured forever if you think the wrong thoughts. Which immediately forces you to think the wrong thoughts.
Where is the donuts and coffee?
But you are programmed by Fianna Fail, you dirty irregular.
POINT 11: What the last pagan emperor thought: "It is, I think, expedient to set forth to all mankind the reasons by which I was convinced that the fabrication of the Christians is a fiction of men composed by wickedness. Though it has in it nothing divine, by making full use of that part of the soul which loves fable and is childish and foolish, it has induced men to believe that the monstrous tale is truth." (Julian)
The problem is, God fundamentally understood, or the proposition, is by definition the very first principle. In classical western theism. And we find that its in the category of metaphysics definitionally, which means you cannot get rid of the principle. Not affirming the truth of "first principles" regarding the metaphysical or transcendental categories, crashes and burns philosophically. Because the principles pertain to the necessary preconditions of our existence AND for intelligibility generally. As identified in the history of philosophy and science! I'm not making any arbitrary claims.
Then it follows from the metaphysical or transcendental necessity for God's existence, or that the very first principle is true, that God is working in mysterious way. The old cliche is right. And its obvious, all we have to do is look at the World. Right? And its clear that a creator God is being hidden and mysterious on purpose, and it would be for morally sufficient reasons. That follows necessary! Due to how God would be the "ground of all being" , to include for the intelligibility of the different concepts or principles in ethics. Or moral principles/facts.
Using a 4th century person who was trying to revive paganism to dismiss the existence of Jesus is too lame to take seriously.
A 4th century person was closer to the truth than we are. Maybe he wasn't trying to revive paganism, maybe he was just calling a duck a duck.
@@thomaswilson9284exactly 😊
Julian the Apostate. He was far ahead of his times.Tried to prevent xianity engulfing europe with dark ages.which it did because they got him assassinated.I read his Against the Galleleans. Brilliant guy.
Haven’t started watching yet, but just stoked to see something new w/Ken! Expect this to be a real treat to listen to.
Me too.
My parents made me go to Sunday school as a part of my educational process. The understanding was that I could quit at the point that I considered it not useful. I was 11 when we were going over the Ark story. My family owned World Book Encyclopedia and I was required to read something daily from it. I told the SS teacher that it was impossible to put two of every type and breed of animal on one boat. The teacher un-invited me to attend class. Fine by me.😅😊
Pretty similar to my story as well. I asked how day 1, 2, and 3 came about when the sun wasn't created until day 4.
Instead of getting an explanation I was labelled a disrespectful trouble maker. I figured out it was BS on the spot!
Exactly.There must have been hundreds of thousands of animals/insects.
The 'ark' must have been several times bigger than the biggest ship existing today.😂😂😂👍🇮🇪🇷🇺
@@grissom2023 The only animals that would have had enough to eat were the two termites.
Yeah, and where did he get kangaroos or giraffes from?
Very grateful for people who can see this (to me) obvious truth. People FREAK OUT when I tell them Jesus was not a real person. A man I was on a date with literally walked out of the restaurant we were in! 😂😂😂
Haha! I just recently had a similar experience, so sadly, I can relate..
Well, you dodged a bullet then, well done! You should use that strategy as a kind of initial 'man suitability test' 👍👍👋
I put a plastic sticker on the bumper of my car. It was a fish with legs with the name DARWIN under it.
thank God he walked out...
That's a good way to weed out the incompatible people.
I saw a man walking on water.
He was 100 feet off shore but turns out the water was only 1/2 inch deep. It was an illusion. This was south side of Lake Erie at a state park. I talked to him, he assured me he was not jesus, he gave me a beer. Nice guy.
When a stranger gives you a beer when you're camping and you dont have a beer, well, that's worthy of praise, miracle or not. Cheers!
And lo from his hands he did produce the wine of the grain, and they did partake and were filled with the spirit, and He said, "It is good," as they both ascended into the Heavens.
@@mh4zdyou said my write like the inspired
Nice try
Nice story. I was able to do the same thing in Tunisia once when I swam out and came across a sandbank 😂
Indeed... I've seen lots of people similarly walking on water at St Kilda (Sth Oz) when the tide was low on the tidal flats there... they were looking for crabs. Happens all the time! Happy Dionysia! 😉
I'm a big fan of Kenneth Humphreys. Nice to see him again.
Christian zealots, never question everything that`s make them worst enemy of themselves.
Its called blind faith. Don't question it or you'll find the inconsistencies.
What I can't comprehend is why do so many humans have the need to worship things.
ppl are weak, they need someone to hold tight to. spirituality is natural but they cant tell one from the other.
I believe they want another life after death. This is one way in their mnds to get this.
we were created that way, its simple :3 many think and believe they are not religious, but we all somehow believe in something as it were a fact, it heals our mind instead of THINKING about it for real... About worshipping well, we are a kind who loves to follow the herd, what we called society, so many of us are raised this way, at home, at school, and so on. We are trained to behave in a certain way in certain situations, we are tained animals :3 and thats why in shot BECAUSE MANY OF US BELIEVE AND WORSHIP THINGS LIKE "DEATH, THE SUN, SAINTS, VIRGINS, gods and so on..." regards.
People want to try to explain the things they still don't understand. Imagine being born a long time ago, when nobody knew why the sun rose & set every day, let alone what the sun really was, or what causes natural phenomenon like rain & tornados. Somebody said it was "the gods" or the "Great Spirit," and the idea caught on so much that they started thinking they needed human sacrifices just to make it rain, or to prevent a volcano from erupting. Did it work? I don't think so. But people are still trying to find the answers.
It is been studied in psychology. Humans have a need to believe. Say you hear a noise in the bushes and your instincts tell you it is a leopard, you are safer believing it is than not and finding out it actually was. When a story is told that threatens your very existence and for eternity, you want to be safe.
Makes more sense than talking snakes and donkeys.
If someone is on hallucinogens w Marijuana then talking snakes and donkeys makes perfect sense
@@Yohannson Either that or they are having a brain aneurism.
If I recall that damn snake also was walking too. 😂😂😄🤣😂
because you saw it on jootube
@@Yohannson you keep speaking about your limited experience in the comments.
I wasn't aware that Ken had been on your channel Jacob, but I'm so pleased that you have he's great to listen to and that was an excellent conversation. Thank you both.
I was age 14 at my Presbyterian Sunday class held in a side room. We did not go to the preaching services except for Xmas and Easter. We were listening to our instructor discuss Moses and the touching the rock to bring forth water. Moses tapped twice, I tapped out. Never looked back and never went back.
You're lucky. I was stuck until I was 19.
boy u was young
I was into science as a tot. Never believed the religion thing for one second.
I didn't have a single point where I lost my faith, but all along as they told me things which made completely no sense I questioned everything and kept asking them questions they had no answers for.
I left religion and left catholic school around the same age you did, but not for any one reason, because I could never believe all the nonsense they were trying to feed me all along and because they never had any acceptable answers to any of my questions.
I went to a born again from age 10-12, and they were psychos about the end times and demons, and everything being Satanic all the time. 30 years later, they livestream their services, and it’s the same Pastor and his entire family, just like the Righteous Gemstones TV Show. They’re balling with a rich lifestyle now, with a bunch of dumb and broke people in their pews. And they use this mindfuck that they’re blessed as evidence of their material blessings and the broke people in their pews aren’t good enough Christians since they’re not getting blessed by God. It’s really sad, and they should be taxed at 45%.
I never got any sensible answer out of any Christian (or even had an answer when I was a Christian!) about what was the point of Jesus anyway? Surely an all powerful god can just forgive sin himself (or indeed get rid of evil altogether) which makes the idea of Jesus somewhat redundant.
The god of the bible is not omni-potent and not omni-benevolent ,these attributes were given to him by theologians way later than the Old test ,and later even than the new test. The god of the bible is not omniscient either ,he finds out Adam and Eve ate the fruit after they do it and he has to search for them through the garden ,if he was omniscient he would know directly where to find them without searching.
From the beginning of the story the first thing we learn if that god is not omni-potent ,takes him 6 days to make reality (instead of an instant) and than he has to REST. etc.
You are making a strawmen argument asking them about an omnipotent god when the god of the bible is limited in potency.
I am atheist also btw.
I guess this the reason why Islam does not need a middleman to reach God.
From what I've learned, the atonement system somehow underlined the severity of breaking the relationship with God. If there's no sanction, then who cares. And death is quite a prominent penalty. First we had animals as substitute sacrifices, then, theologically speaking, the God-man himself.
But it was not just for blood. Jesus was like, "now that I have your attention, be aware that the blood system sucks. God needs no more blood, He needs you to share his values. I need it. So no more strict rules but a decent spiritual moral. I offer you the guidelines, and my mercy covers the rest."
@@DrIT-qv1ek I like the Sufi's because they don't seem to believe in a separate God. They experience being God themselves. Some of them get beheaded by Muslims for being heretical.
The point that REALLY made me first question the Christian god was when I thought “why does god need a human blood sacrifice to forgive our sins? If he’s subject to that law, then that law is more powerful than god! And then who made that law? It never ends. Pure stupidity.
Thank you Kenneth. What a refreshing, highly entertaining and humorous exposition of human gullibility. The truth, indeed, shall set us free.
Hell yeah 😍....Ken is the best
No! Ken is funny & interesting but Dr. Richard Carrier PhD IS the best!
@@ghostriders_1 I bet Socrates, Plato and Aristotle never existed. Julius Caesar was probably just a statue. Augustus Caesar was another "Son of God," so he didn't exist either. Seneca? He was just a cartoon. Origen and Justin Martyr were likely comic book heroes. George Washington never existed either. The CIA just made up Washington and Jefferson like they made up the moon landing. Marilyn Monroe didn't really die of a barbiturate overdose, because she didn't really exist. Hollywood stars were just early lifelike animated AI bots created by Disney. What could be more obvious? You know, life is really just a hologram. I'm not sure we exist either. But popular book peddlers are real. Those book peddlers will say anything to idiots for money.
@@scottmcloughlin4371 lightweight sarcasm is not evidence or argument. Some you mention did exist, some probably not. Your no comedian just an empty cynic. Time to grow up & show some real interest in the topic.
A very thought-provoking conversation.
Thanks for posting this. I'd been beginning to wonder if Ken'd fallen off the face of the earth.
Nice to see him in one piece still.
I like how Ken isn't super focused on the scholarship. Usually this is a big turn off. He really points out some should-be-obvious things that I never really thought about.
what scholarship guy doesn't even know he was never named Jesus. That's a modern invention.
Really. As a kid I thought it didn't make sense but got indoctrinated. It took me years to face the lack of logic and fact.
I remember sitting in church at 7 years old listening to the pastor and thinking "What a bunch of crap" I thought it was Hokum then now I know it is. Convoluted, contradictory fairy tales sound more ridiculous every time I hear them. It's amazing to me rational adults still believe this nonsense.
IKR? snakes talking to women? magic trees? Is that supposed to be serious?
Same, I went to Catholic schools, still not sure why my mum stopped going to church in her teens, my dad doesn't have any belief , anyway, I went to Catholic primary school, very early on it all felt wrong, even more so the older I got , confirmation etc, 1 big waste of time, I think jesus prob existed, I think there's a God/ creator but religion has nothing to do with either... If Christianity and jesus was such a threat to Satan/ dark energy, the churches would of been destroyed thousands of years ago... They remain cause the rulers of this world want them there, to bring revenue and keep people in life and distracted from what we really are
Rational adults don't believe it 😂
Pastors are dangerous. Listen to a real Christian who knows Jesus.
Same here.
Kenneth is a treasure!
37:00 In fact we had dozens of gospels, with lots of uncertainty and conflict about which of them should be used. (Note I did not say which is historically accurate.) Until much later, when the 4 were settled on, Christians drew ideas and beliefs from all these dozens of gospels and the stories they told varied wildly.
This is itself an argument against the accuracy of the 4 gospels. The people who chose those 4 were even farther removed in time from the alleged events than the people who wrote all the apocrypha. So they were in a worse position to determine which gospels were historically accurate (if any). For this reason I don't think historical accuracy was either their interest or their intention. I think their intention was more likely political, to narrow down and control the message with at least a moderate degree of consistency, so that they could bring cohesion to the various Christian communities, create a single community, and thereby control it better.
That, or create the first "Industrial Complex".
Always loved Kens outro on his videos "Its just more astounding rubbish from the new testament"
💯🎯🏆
When it becomes obvious, it becomes so very obvious that you wonder how anyone could not see it.
And what about being labelled as ‘racist’ for saying the same about other, far more evil ‘religions’?
Don’t let anyone shame you from the truth
I am an atheist, been that way for the past 5 years, but boy does this make sense or what...
it fits right into your death cult mentality of being an atheist.
Rediculas.. Jesus did existed looked around
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Why defend Jesus with Garbel ?
@@cassandra43113
Please invest in a dictionary.
The future will be very warm.
This dude has such a comprehensive and incisive understanding of the Jesus story and gives a smashing critique of it on so many levels as to its origins, growth and maintenance in Western culture. But as he says, when you’re a Believe, facts don’t matter.
You're just scared the story is real.
@@johnholmesinchesahead342 They aren't, but I'm pretty sure you are. Atheists don't have an investment in whether it's true or not; if evidence comes forth that Jesus was a real person, we'd just accept it (not the divinity, just the man; divinity is a whole different category of burden of proof). But you, on the other hand, want to believe it, because you're scared of being wrong.
To be honest, not one thing that Kenneth said is new. Most clergy, if they've been adequately trained know all this stuff, but Kenneth isn't taking it to the next level, the meta-level where he might see the transcendentalist truth behind it. The famous German theologian Rudolf Bultmann said, 'Faith must never be allowed to be dependent upon the labours of a historian'. The Christ within idea is just not catered for in Kenneth's mindset.
@@Prospro8 Yeah I agree that part is useful. The earliest Christians knew Jesus was an allegorical myth and they used it as a teaching tool. It was Rome that literalized the Jesus story.. I love the teachings myself. Love God (I interpret that as loving reality) Love your neighbor, love your enemies. It really liberates you when you practice these teachings but you need the powerful non-dual experiences to really understand it, that's what Kenneth is missing, the powerful divine and mystical experiences. Who cares if there was historical Jesus walking around.
@@Prospro8 "The Christ within" you mean the bullshit within. FIFY.
This video greatly adds to the research that I have been doing for the past three years. I have a copy of the book that Josephus wrote.
Man created Gods.
Duh Man created Words to talk 2 😊
@@OCA8WhitePeopleAreAlbinosOCA8 It's a shame you don't use them, then.
Exactly right, but "God" created man !!
I think the miracle of calming the sea is about the fact that if you put some vegetable oil in wavy water it makes the waves reduce so much that you can see the flat area spreading out from where it was dropped in. In fact, in old times a sailing ship was saved by the captain dumping 5 gallons of oil overboard, it spread across an area of about a km around the ship. I saw a video showing the effect in a pond.
Now what was Jesus doing in a boat with 12 young men, even teenagers, and 5 gallons or so of olive oil? 🤔 These stories rapidly get very suspicious once you have a rational, non-miraculous way of achieving these "miracles"!
Interestingly, i never cared if "jesus" was real or not until people started threatening me with the bible.
All those loving Christians. Aren’t they wonderful. 😂
You were threatened by a Bible? I guess it would hurt if someone threw it at you. 😂😂😂
@@JohnHoulgate the whole point of the bible (both books) is to threaten peasants into submission.
No hate like Christian love.
I'm glad im n0t a CHRISTIAN just ignore there lies
This is the problem with the Historical Jesues. The evidence isn't there.
@@OrthoDavidSun I bet Socrates, Plato and Aristotle never existed. Julius Caesar was probably just a statue. Augustus Caesar was another "Son of God," so he didn't exist either. Seneca? He was just a cartoon. Origen and Justin Martyr were likely comic book heroes. Charlemagne too. He obviously never existed. George Washington never existed either. The CIA just made up Washington and Jefferson like they made up the moon landing. Marilyn Monroe didn't really die of a barbiturate overdose, because she didn't really exist. Hollywood stars were just early lifelike animated AI bots created by Disney. What could be more obvious? You know, life is really just a hologram. I'm not sure we exist either. But popular book peddlers are real. Those book peddlers will say anything to idiots to take their money.
There is only fabricated evidence such as the shroud of Turin, that christians cling on to, unwilling to see the truth about the fabrication of their sick superstition. A supersition that makes them miserable, and yet unable to set themselves free from it.
Well CHRISTIANITY is dead good bye
the great thing about ignorance - you can free yourself from it
terrific talk from ken
All of your problems will be solved in the afterlife ...A Son of Man is sitting on a white throne with power and authority ...
Good video but the Google ads every 7 minutes is getting to the point where I no longer want to finish the video. Holy f*** hell RUclips.
There are now fewer ads on the video.
@@MMaximuSS1975 it's worth paying a few bugs a month to get rids of the adds, totally different experience 😁👍
I like listening to Kenneth Humphreys alot!
Ken is just such terrific fun to listen to 😁👍
He couldn't answer my question as to why donkeys have a cross on their backs.
@@johnholmesinchesahead342 lol I hope that's a joke
"As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand."
--Josh Billings, 1865
"Believers" just want to believe. They never give a rat's ass about having evidence that supports their beliefs.
I agree 💯
@@ima1sthuemanonearth91 The books of the bible are not pictures. I bet Socrates, Plato and Aristotle never existed. Julius Caesar was probably just a statue. Augustus Caesar was another "Son of God," so he didn't exist either. Seneca? He was just a cartoon. Origen and Justin Martyr were likely comic book heroes. Charlemagne too. He obviously never existed. George Washington never existed either. The CIA just made up Washington and Jefferson like they made up the moon landing. Marilyn Monroe didn't really die of a barbiturate overdose, because she didn't really exist. Hollywood stars were just early lifelike animated AI bots created by Disney. What could be more obvious? You know, life is really just a hologram. I'm not sure we exist either. But popular book peddlers are real. Those book peddlers will say anything to idiots to take their money.
excess? very excessive and more and more and more no one survives well
Yes, and that's how you have Jesus hard to crack stuff
@@scottmcloughlin4371the moon landed was fake and we have proof marilyn existed
We have two Jesus characters.
The first was a wandering Jewish doomsday preacher who was finally executed as a public nuisance for stirring up the people in a period of political unrest.
The second is a miracle working godman invented by the early Christians resulting in a collection of Jesus stories called the New Testament.
The key to all this is the Orphic and Dionysian mysteries. Once you get a better grasp of this, then, you begin to see right through the Christian smokescreen.
people know JESUS wasn't Real CHRISTIANITY don't have a Smokescreen 😊
Paul went into the desert or Arabia and concocted the Christian religion that he preached for 3 months. Then he went and preached it. This is typically how all religions are made, including Islam and the Mormons and others. Their main founder spends time alone sequestered and then comes out with the message.
Joe Smith was a complete fraud and womaniser….🤢
I like Ken
He isnt a soft speaker
Good interview Jacob Berman
> 49:54 <
Matthew 18:2-6
The story about Josephus being in the cave for three days, Josephus being by the side of Titus as he mirrors exactly the ministry of Jesus. Josephus seeing three friends on the crosses and taking down the bodies, surely, surely by now it is evidently clear exactly who is behind the gospel stories??
Clearly it is Josephus with full mandate from Rome.
Historians agree that there is not one written eyewitness account of Jesus during his lifetime. Strange since he was famous at birth, because wise men expected to see the future king of Jews who was born from a virgin married mother. Every leading Christian scholar since Erasmus, five hundred years ago, has maintained that the gospels were originally written in Greek from 70 to 140 CE (Mark after the year 70, Luke about 110, Matthew about 130, and John no earlier than 140 CE). This proves that they were not written by Christ's apostles, disciples or by any of the early Christians.
Others say: “There is no proof of the Gospels existing before 130 CE”
Jesus is depicted as hugely popular in the gospels. Yet he is unrecorded by non-Biblical historians.
Paul was the first one to write about Jesus around 60CE; but he, like everyone else, never saw Jesus. He experienced a vision of the resurrected Jesus. Even Paul’s existence is in serious doubt.
John Gresham Machen wrote: The establishment of Christianity as a world religion, to almost as great an extent as any great historical movement can be ascribed to one man, was the work of Paul.
I also read that the history of the first three popes was invented because they never existed.
All myth! Seek the truth!
Tiberius Julius Alexander was Titus’ chief of staff and watched as the temple was sacked. He wrote under pseudonym Josephus and is the founder of the Xian religion. Josephus’ biography is a fiction.
@@charlesbrowne9590 Josephus clearly is of Flavian and Herodian stock just like Vaspasian was and some people even place Titus as Josephus’ cousin.
They are the pens behind Peter and Paul, with Paul attributed to the works of Pliny the Younger Josephus’ foster brother.
However looking at these works, they will have been done by a literary team not one man or even two and yes Ur Markus and Ur Mattheus Gould be the q documents but they stem back to Seneca and the first attempt to write a global religion.
There are multiple real Jesuses and they are spoken about, preachers and high priests. Then there is the gospel Jesus and the whole thing is actually the cruellest most scathing mockery of Judaism ever. It’s offensive and deliberately so.
I would say that everything except for the Pentateuch is written by a Greek and Roman pens.
@@TheInterestedObserver Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I agree that the NT was written by a team of intellectuals with ready access to Jewish and Greek literature. I’ll bet it was written at the Great Library of Alexandria! The Library sought all the books of the world, so they might have had the entire corpus of Xian literature. This would have been a big problem for the church.
Xians were called “the people of the book”. One advantage of the book over the scroll is that changes can be made by replacing a single page rather than the entire manuscript. Also, mass production of books is easier than with scrolls: each scribe need only copy one page many times.
Interesting
If someone is asking you to be a follower, and believe in magic - chances are you are being recruited into a cult.
Oh magic exists, lol, and requires no group or leader.
So Tacitus. Joesphus etc never mentioned Jesus?
Josephus may have mentioned a different Jesus in his Antiquities 18.3.3 & 20.9.1, but then the two passages following 18.3.3 seem to debunk what we read in the offending passage. 18.3.4 discredits the idea of demigods being born of gods being intimate with women and the supposed deity of Jesus in particular, and 18.3.5 seems to call out Christianity as a scam but not by name.
Tacitus on the other hand probably referred to Chrestus who gave Jews in Rome the impulse to riot during Claudius's reign (Suetonius, Lives of the 12 Caesars: Claudius 25.4) because the manuscript evidence shows that he didn't mention Christians but rather Chréstians.
neither Josephus not Tacitus were even born when Jesus was supposedly crucified. They wouldn't know jack sht.
Who cares because Jesus isn't real anyway. 😅
Have you investigated on the Arrius Piso theory? Claims Josephus, is just one of a dozen aliases of the Roman family that invented Christianity and its dogma. Other members of the family also wrote the Bible the last being Justin (revelation) and let's out their gematria secret code. With their code it becomes apparent that it is actually a very twisted book laden with even gay inside jokes!!
keep up the good work Jacob & Ken.
He's mentioned way more than 10 points 😉😊👍
and still missed a few, like the objective impossibility of miracles.
If you believe hard enough....😉😅🤷🏻♀️
THERE'S AN IMPOSSIBILITY OF MIRACLES AND THERE'S AN IMPOSSIBILITY OF EVOLUTION. LOL I WOULD FOLLOW NO RELIGION BUT THERE HAS TO BE A CREATOR NO MATTER WHAT THAT CREATOR IS.
Great video Jacob, thanks Ken it was a real treat
Christianity seems to be allegory based on the zodiac and the sun, borrowing from Ancient Egypt, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, and Judaism. It’s a conglomeration. (I grew up in RC church and schools)
Just bought Ken's main book, what a hero. The more research goes on, the more correct he is proved.
Excellent work, Kenneth. All relayed with a hearty and healthy dose of humor. Oh, the tragically hilarious gullibility of our dubiously foolish specious. 😂
"And according to Mark so and so..." "And according to Peter so and so..." "And Paul said this and that." Who are those people saying "according to" and "this guy said this and that"? That we do not know. But the amount of shoehorning, special pleadings and mental gymnastic coming from believers is mind blowing.
I knew JESUS wasn't Real I luv the old Mx
There are similarities with the right going on about Woke. They don’t really care about it.
You might come up with a thousand reasons but you will never change the truth.
and truth is religious people are blind followers of make beleive indoctrination 😅
I enjoyed this. I giggled quite a few times but Mr. Humphrey's makes a lot of sense.
I grew up in Sweden in the 1970-80's and in religious studies in school, this idea that we had all these similar cults but Christianity was the one cult that was based on a real guy, that was presented as pretty fishy. And we're not talking full blown mythisism here, but it was pointed out that was pretty weird.
So that just has to be the starting point. Jesus looks a lot by all these other made up figures and the presupposition of Jesus being real, unless proven otherwise, that's not reasonable.
I am a better person because of Jesus.
So, can you demonstrate he exists? The fact you believe something doesn't mean it's true.
you are a better person because of the steps you take day by day...not because of jesus
What is undemonstrable to those who have eyes but see not, others obtain by their prayers. "The fact that you believe does not make it a falsehood either."
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Nothing fails like prayer.
@@kateknowles8055What utter prevarication. You have zero evidence for this storybook character so you just evade that by pretending your mental fantasies make him real. Yikes.
Third time I listened to this....❤❤
The argument at :47 minutes is top notch
EVEN IF JESUS WAS A REAL , PROVEN HUMAN BEING ( BY MANY , MANY DIFFERENT RELIABLE SOURCES ) IT , IN NO WAY , MEANS THAT HE WAS GOD. AND ALL OF CHRITIANITY IS BASED ON JESUS BEING GOD . NOT THAT HE DID EXIST
My second watch of this conversation between Jacob and Ken, learning even more than last time now that I have read more.
One of the best conclusions from psychology is that humans are not able to conceive of their own death, which may have evolutionary and self preservation aspects, and could be a big part of the explanation for all superstitious and religious belief.
I knew JESUS wasn't Real 🖤
This was good stuff.
I needed to hear this.
I like Ken and I definitely think Jesus is just fictional.
Edit: it’s hilarious how people will react to those four small words strung together: Jesus did not exist. See below for details.
I’m at 50-50 but definitely think Christian’s used Greek, Roman and Egyptian concepts to create a greater god than all.
Martin Luther king also never existed...it was propaganda
@@kingofdetroit358 wow you are a fool
@@kingofdetroit358 Martin Luther was a moron. Martin Luther King was real and a far better human than Martin Luther we have evidence . There isn’t a single piece of evidence that the buybull is right about anything.
@@kirkmarshall2853 sure buddy...n Lisa Ann never took a dp right?
Fun and good interview. Lots of interesting tidbits
I’ll tell you this. It makes more sense that there is an afterlife rather than nothing. Why would we endure so much and experience and grow and overcome just to be erased at the end of it all? That line of thinking never made sense to me. It seems that we are being prepared for something much bigger. The atheist is just as foolish as the fundamentalist. Two extremes on opposite ends of the spectrum. The truth is in the middle.
I love his laugh after every point... I laugh with him after every point..😂😂
Yeah because u know JESUS wasn't real 😊
@14.00: 'a lot of it, (Christian scripture) of course, is an echo of the Old Testament. Well, who knew! ? And there' s plenty more where that little gem came from! This guy just cracks me up. Very entertaining, almost like a comedy spoof.
As a non-academic, Ken makes so much sense.
Excellent chat fellows, reality does not allow Christians to think beyond the dogma. There are many in the world that are willing to hear different.
Oh puleeeese. Self aggrandising bull crap is still shit.
Thanks guys
Albino u n0t the only one percenter 😊
loved it THANK YOU BOTH
I'm an atheist, but saying Jesus never existed is not clever.
At the beginning, the information about (ancient) Nazareth never existing is interesting. I've never heard that.
What puts an African like me off is the fact that I’m required by this Religion imposed at gunpoint upon my unsuspecting Ancestors, to look up to this deity crafted in the image and likeness of the longtime oppressor, exploiter and subjugator of my people, for salvation as well as gain access, to this higher being called God.,,
He knows Jesus is real ☝🏾🙏🏽🙌🏽
real bullshit
Great episode ❤
Oh boy! Big fan 😁👍
great video! KH is so convincing, and entertaining. well done "Top Ten" list.
the buble was created by outstanding people 👍🏻 but nobody is perfect, jesus was invented and some few people grasp it 🫰🏻⚫️☢️☯️
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A man called Jesus Never Existed!!! The word Jesus means Your Highest Consciousness within!!!
Iesous Christos meant annointed saviour but represents the Inner Light of Pure Consciousness - the Son of God refers to the purified ego in Gnosis [aka anandamayakosa, ochema or Garment of Light etc.].
Jesus was a very common male name then, there were literally thousands of men bearing this name.
As Freke and Gandy pointed out, the Greek spelling Iesous in the Gospels was not used by the Hebrews for Yeshoshua (Joshua) and was chosen as the letters added up numerically to 888. St Paul made it quite clear in regard to 'crucifixion' that he was not referring to a historical event but the traditional mythology of 'raising up' on the Tree associated with Tammuz etc. The Christians did not even use the Cross symbol until after Nicaea 325 c.e. but the Chi-Rho. A Roman seal from 300 c.e. has Orpheus-Bacchus as the crucified saviour!
Thank you for bringing up John Allegro.
Great interview!
Josephus’ Testimonium Flavianum has been shown beyond any reasonable doubt to be an interpolation by Goldberg in the 90s because it derives from the Emmaus story in Luke’s gospel.
From what I've discovered, Flavius Josephus was a pseudonym for the main author of the NT. Aka Ar/rius Pi so.
Or he wrote the thing as is and in the next two passages subtly demonstrated the utter falsity of Christianity.
I'm not even sure that the TF doesn't contain a subtle hint that Jesus never existed.
I can't seem to find Kenneth Humphrey's book the long version "Jesus Never Existed". I was only able to find the short version, "Jesus Never Existed: an Introductory"
Thank you Jacob and Kenneth. Jacob, for having Kenneth on, and Kenneth, for your massive work of exposing the sketchiness of Christianity.
I've vacillated between there being an historical Jesus and none whatsoever and now I am convinced that there wasn't any that conforms to the scholarly consensus of the guild of New Testament scholarship. What evidence is there is just extremely dodgy.
P.S. Right before this video I watched a lecture by Richard Carrier, who takes down the biblical "evidence" for an historical Jesus and advances a celestial Jesus for Christianity's origins. 🙏 I hope you have him on the show, Jacob. 🙂
Christ energy is Love. Love holds the Universe together. Believe, and you will never die.
I knew JESUS wasn't real Thank U NIQQAS
Jesus was never his name you are correct his name is Yahushua.
@@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 Yeshua
@@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777and he was not born on the 25th of december... Christmas is part of the fairy-tale
@@lutkedog1 Yes that's correct as well - and ends up as 'Joshuah' in English not 'JESSUS' . What I find interesting though is when I only 'thought' of the only begotten Son of God Yahuah was named Jesus.. I still came to him - so we have to realize God does work through our own ignorance ..but for us to perpetuate the ignorance is where evil creeps in. Thanks for your reply friend.
@@Humphrey-x2z Christmas helped me see the fraud in the Churchianity. All they did was put a pagan ritual into the minds under this guise. I even heard that there could be direct evidence he was born on April 1st and is why they created April fools day to mock Him.
Yes, I Know.
Anyone can walk on water - if you possess the right type of shoes. Nag Hammidi Library - Gospel of the Cobbler.
how good! Absolutly right!
Albino I know im right ⌚️✌️
I used to say, Jesus knew the OOT enough that he and his friends just did what they had to to fulfil the prophecies. Self Fulfilled prophecies! Now I know even better, Thanks!
I am Jewish and I have great respect for the scholarship of Kenneth Humphreys when he talks about Paul .
(Saul Of Tarsus ) and the fact what they claim Paul did and the logic of what he preaches about Jesus is nothing but fiction.
But I must somewhat disagree on Jesus . The Jews never claimed he did not exist even in the early centuries .
But if you actually heard him speak I believe few would be interested.. He sounded like those Christians
you will see with the signs"Repent the end of the world is near" wandering through the cities even today.
The ones most think are crazy.
They are crazy, lol.
The Jews invented the Jesus myth to quell a rebellion.
Life of Brian is a documentary
Many think Moses didn't exist either. Another fairy tale claimed by 3 warmongering religions. Bizarre, all of it.
"So what is point 2?" "Sorry remind me what the question was?" This man is clearly a genius.
Just got hit with another ad. I'm out. Done watching.
That's on you.
@@History-Valley my apologies for sounding so short. I don't mind ads but some of them are minutes long, and every time it gets rolling in the conversation they put a pause on the topic.
@@History-Valley just to be a good sport you got another sub. Keep up the good work.
What a statement!
Jesus is both historical and not. There likely was some kind of preacher inspired by John the Baptist that took over when John died. But he likely had very little to do with the Jesus of the Bible. Very few "miracles" are shared between the gospels. And those that do are the weaker ones that can be explained otherwise (feeding the people in the wilderness etc).
So is a fictional character inspired by a real historical person a historical figure? Should we consider Doc from Back to the Future historical because he is the stereotypical Einstein like scientist, with Einstein being a real person? Or Rick from Rick and Morty for the same reason?
The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus provides external information on some people and events found in the New Testament. The extant manuscripts of Josephus' book Antiquities of the Jews, written around AD 93-94, contain two references to Jesus of Nazareth and one reference to John the Baptist.
Josephus' account was proven to be a hoax...it was added in later. Josephus never mentioned Jesus.
All I can say this day if you give me a choice to pick nomatter what poeple say
I will take the chance and pick Jesus Christ and if I am wrong
I will never know about anything about my death there is nothing dead end
2 But if it is true then I would know because of all the promises in the Bible and will be the happiest person in the new world and life of no more problems ❤
This is the good WAY to choose.
You described Pascal's wager. There are hundreds of religions. You better make sure to follow and believe them all just in case one of the other religions happens to be true.
Even when you leave it, religion is so powerful it can suck you back into it.
When Jesus fills you with The Holy Spirit, you are born again! I pray you seek Jesus with your whole heart,soul, body and mind ! 🙏🏽🙌🏽☝🏾
It's all fiction bro.
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic , I’m so happy to tell you that you are wrong! Jesus is Alive! He loves you. He knows every hair on your head… He knitted you in your Mother’s womb. You are precious to Him . I am going to pray for you. May God Bless you and your family 🙏🏽🙌🏽☝🏾
@@BubbylovesJesus there's no evidence jesus existed. He's based on Dionysus....a wine god.
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic , Jesus changed TIME ! He raised the dead… healed the sick..gave vision to the blind… casted out demons and so much more! These accounts were witnessed by thousands. No one else has ever done what Jesus did and still does.
@@BubbylovesJesus that is all made up bullshit. Little children need to believe that, not adults.
What an interesting analysis, glad I came across this!! I was taught to question everything, research and make up your own mind. I'm not the only one 👍👍😂