Jesus Never Existed - Kenneth Humphreys
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In this video, author Kenneth Humphreys of the book Jesus Never Existed joins us. He has been interviewed countless times in the past, appeared on the film Documentary for the book Caesars Messiah and he has shown both pagan, Josephus, Flavian and other parallels to the Biblical Jesus. We not only discuss all of that but we also get into Paul the Apostle and why he thinks that it is highly unlikely that Paul did all the things he said he did in his lifetime as recounted in his Epistles (letters).
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It's 16 😊 I did more digging 😊
would be nice to know what he thinks about Paul's letters, ie, whether they were genuine, when they were written, and to what extent they describe real events.
POINT 11: What the last pagan emperor thought: "It is, I think, expedient to set forth to all mankind the reasons by which I was convinced that the fabrication of the Christians is a fiction of men composed by wickedness. Though it has in it nothing divine, by making full use of that part of the soul which loves fable and is childish and foolish, it has induced men to believe that the monstrous tale is truth." (Julian)
They poisoned my mind and it did take me years but I’m happy to be free.
SO happy for you!!!
Me too
Your mind has been poisoned by the “God of this World”, that is Satan.
Me too. Screw that mind poison.
if you call yourself free... what does that yin yang simbol means for you bro? :3 just asking. regards.
I remember sitting in church at 7 years old listening to the pastor and thinking "What a bunch of crap" I thought it was Hokum then now I know it is. Convoluted, contradictory fairy tales sound more ridiculous every time I hear them. It's amazing to me rational adults still believe this nonsense.
IKR? snakes talking to women? magic trees? Is that supposed to be serious?
Makes more sense than talking snakes and donkeys.
If someone is on hallucinogens w Marijuana then talking snakes and donkeys makes perfect sense
@@kriskringle8 Either that or they are having a brain aneurism.
If I recall that damn snake also was walking too. 😂😂😄🤣😂
because you saw it on jootube
@@kriskringle8 you keep speaking about your limited experience in the comments.
Very grateful for people who can see this (to me) obvious truth. People FREAK OUT when I tell them Jesus was not a real person. A man I was on a date with literally walked out of the restaurant we were in! 😂😂😂
Haha! I just recently had a similar experience, so sadly, I can relate..
Well, you dodged a bullet then, well done! You should use that strategy as a kind of initial 'man suitability test' 👍👍👋
I put a plastic sticker on the bumper of my car. It was a fish with legs with the name DARWIN under it.
thank God he walked out...
That's a good way to weed out the incompatible people.
This is the problem with the Historical Jesues. The evidence isn't there.
@@baaldavid I bet Socrates, Plato and Aristotle never existed. Julius Caesar was probably just a statue. Augustus Caesar was another "Son of God," so he didn't exist either. Seneca? He was just a cartoon. Origen and Justin Martyr were likely comic book heroes. Charlemagne too. He obviously never existed. George Washington never existed either. The CIA just made up Washington and Jefferson like they made up the moon landing. Marilyn Monroe didn't really die of a barbiturate overdose, because she didn't really exist. Hollywood stars were just early lifelike animated AI bots created by Disney. What could be more obvious? You know, life is really just a hologram. I'm not sure we exist either. But popular book peddlers are real. Those book peddlers will say anything to idiots to take their money.
There is only fabricated evidence such as the shroud of Turin, that christians cling on to, unwilling to see the truth about the fabrication of their sick superstition. A supersition that makes them miserable, and yet unable to set themselves free from it.
Well CHRISTIANITY is dead good bye
the great thing about ignorance - you can free yourself from it
terrific talk from ken
All of your problems will be solved in the afterlife ...A Son of Man is sitting on a white throne with power and authority ...
What I can't comprehend is why do so many humans have the need to worship things.
ppl are weak, they need someone to hold tight to. spirituality is natural but they cant tell one from the other.
I believe they want another life after death. This is one way in their mnds to get this.
we were created that way, its simple :3 many think and believe they are not religious, but we all somehow believe in something as it were a fact, it heals our mind instead of THINKING about it for real... About worshipping well, we are a kind who loves to follow the herd, what we called society, so many of us are raised this way, at home, at school, and so on. We are trained to behave in a certain way in certain situations, we are tained animals :3 and thats why in shot BECAUSE MANY OF US BELIEVE AND WORSHIP THINGS LIKE "DEATH, THE SUN, SAINTS, VIRGINS, gods and so on..." regards.
People want to try to explain the things they still don't understand. Imagine being born a long time ago, when nobody knew why the sun rose & set every day, let alone what the sun really was, or what causes natural phenomenon like rain & tornados. Somebody said it was "the gods" or the "Great Spirit," and the idea caught on so much that they started thinking they needed human sacrifices just to make it rain, or to prevent a volcano from erupting. Did it work? I don't think so. But people are still trying to find the answers.
It is been studied in psychology. Humans have a need to believe. Say you hear a noise in the bushes and your instincts tell you it is a leopard, you are safer believing it is than not and finding out it actually was. When a story is told that threatens your very existence and for eternity, you want to be safe.
I'm a big fan of Kenneth Humphreys. Nice to see him again.
I am an atheist, been that way for the past 5 years, but boy does this make sense or what...
it fits right into your death cult mentality of being an atheist.
Rediculas.. Jesus did existed looked around
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Why defend Jesus with Garbel ?
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Please invest in a dictionary.
The future will be very warm.
Haven’t started watching yet, but just stoked to see something new w/Ken! Expect this to be a real treat to listen to.
Me too.
Idk why but I always cringe when people say “Christ is king” lol
I never got any sensible answer out of any Christian (or even had an answer when I was a Christian!) about what was the point of Jesus anyway? Surely an all powerful god can just forgive sin himself (or indeed get rid of evil altogether) which makes the idea of Jesus somewhat redundant.
The god of the bible is not omni-potent and not omni-benevolent ,these attributes were given to him by theologians way later than the Old test ,and later even than the new test. The god of the bible is not omniscient either ,he finds out Adam and Eve ate the fruit after they do it and he has to search for them through the garden ,if he was omniscient he would know directly where to find them without searching.
From the beginning of the story the first thing we learn if that god is not omni-potent ,takes him 6 days to make reality (instead of an instant) and than he has to REST. etc.
You are making a strawmen argument asking them about an omnipotent god when the god of the bible is limited in potency.
I am atheist also btw.
I guess this the reason why Islam does not need a middleman to reach God.
From what I've learned, the atonement system somehow underlined the severity of breaking the relationship with God. If there's no sanction, then who cares. And death is quite a prominent penalty. First we had animals as substitute sacrifices, then, theologically speaking, the God-man himself.
But it was not just for blood. Jesus was like, "now that I have your attention, be aware that the blood system sucks. God needs no more blood, He needs you to share his values. I need it. So no more strict rules but a decent spiritual moral. I offer you the guidelines, and my mercy covers the rest."
@@DrIT-qv1ek I like the Sufi's because they don't seem to believe in a separate God. They experience being God themselves. Some of them get beheaded by Muslims for being heretical.
The point that REALLY made me first question the Christian god was when I thought “why does god need a human blood sacrifice to forgive our sins? If he’s subject to that law, then that law is more powerful than god! And then who made that law? It never ends. Pure stupidity.
Hell yeah 😍....Ken is the best
No! Ken is funny & interesting but Dr. Richard Carrier PhD IS the best!
@@ghostriders_1 I bet Socrates, Plato and Aristotle never existed. Julius Caesar was probably just a statue. Augustus Caesar was another "Son of God," so he didn't exist either. Seneca? He was just a cartoon. Origen and Justin Martyr were likely comic book heroes. George Washington never existed either. The CIA just made up Washington and Jefferson like they made up the moon landing. Marilyn Monroe didn't really die of a barbiturate overdose, because she didn't really exist. Hollywood stars were just early lifelike animated AI bots created by Disney. What could be more obvious? You know, life is really just a hologram. I'm not sure we exist either. But popular book peddlers are real. Those book peddlers will say anything to idiots for money.
@@scottmcloughlin4371 lightweight sarcasm is not evidence or argument. Some you mention did exist, some probably not. Your no comedian just an empty cynic. Time to grow up & show some real interest in the topic.
I like Ken
He isnt a soft speaker
Good interview Jacob Berman
I grew up in Sweden in the 1970-80's and in religious studies in school, this idea that we had all these similar cults but Christianity was the one cult that was based on a real guy, that was presented as pretty fishy. And we're not talking full blown mythisism here, but it was pointed out that was pretty weird.
So that just has to be the starting point. Jesus looks a lot by all these other made up figures and the presupposition of Jesus being real, unless proven otherwise, that's not reasonable.
I was age 14 at my Presbyterian Sunday class held in a side room. We did not go to the preaching services except for Xmas and Easter. We were listening to our instructor discuss Moses and the touching the rock to bring forth water. Moses tapped twice, I tapped out. Never looked back and never went back.
You're lucky. I was stuck until I was 19.
boy u was young
I was into science as a tot. Never believed the religion thing for one second.
I didn't have a single point where I lost my faith, but all along as they told me things which made completely no sense I questioned everything and kept asking them questions they had no answers for.
I left religion and left catholic school around the same age you did, but not for any one reason, because I could never believe all the nonsense they were trying to feed me all along and because they never had any acceptable answers to any of my questions.
I like how Ken isn't super focused on the scholarship. Usually this is a big turn off. He really points out some should-be-obvious things that I never really thought about.
what scholarship guy doesn't even know he was never named Jesus. That's a modern invention.
Always loved Kens outro on his videos "Its just more astounding rubbish from the new testament"
I like Ken and I definitely think Jesus is just fictional.
Edit: it’s hilarious how people will react to those four small words strung together: Jesus did not exist. See below for details.
I’m at 50-50 but definitely think Christian’s used Greek, Roman and Egyptian concepts to create a greater god than all.
Martin Luther king also never existed...it was propaganda
@@kingofdetroit358 wow you are a fool
@@kingofdetroit358 Martin Luther was a moron. Martin Luther King was real and a far better human than Martin Luther we have evidence . There isn’t a single piece of evidence that the buybull is right about anything.
@@kirkmarshall2853 sure buddy...n Lisa Ann never took a dp right?
"As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand."
--Josh Billings, 1865
"Believers" just want to believe. They never give a rat's ass about having evidence that supports their beliefs.
I agree 💯
@@ima1sthuemanonearth91 The books of the bible are not pictures. I bet Socrates, Plato and Aristotle never existed. Julius Caesar was probably just a statue. Augustus Caesar was another "Son of God," so he didn't exist either. Seneca? He was just a cartoon. Origen and Justin Martyr were likely comic book heroes. Charlemagne too. He obviously never existed. George Washington never existed either. The CIA just made up Washington and Jefferson like they made up the moon landing. Marilyn Monroe didn't really die of a barbiturate overdose, because she didn't really exist. Hollywood stars were just early lifelike animated AI bots created by Disney. What could be more obvious? You know, life is really just a hologram. I'm not sure we exist either. But popular book peddlers are real. Those book peddlers will say anything to idiots to take their money.
excess? very excessive and more and more and more no one survives well
Yes, and that's how you have Jesus hard to crack stuff
@@scottmcloughlin4371the moon landed was fake and we have proof marilyn existed
Change you eyebrow style, lest someone calls you Satan.
37:00 In fact we had dozens of gospels, with lots of uncertainty and conflict about which of them should be used. (Note I did not say which is historically accurate.) Until much later, when the 4 were settled on, Christians drew ideas and beliefs from all these dozens of gospels and the stories they told varied wildly.
This is itself an argument against the accuracy of the 4 gospels. The people who chose those 4 were even farther removed in time from the alleged events than the people who wrote all the apocrypha. So they were in a worse position to determine which gospels were historically accurate (if any). For this reason I don't think historical accuracy was either their interest or their intention. I think their intention was more likely political, to narrow down and control the message with at least a moderate degree of consistency, so that they could bring cohesion to the various Christian communities, create a single community, and thereby control it better.
That, or create the first "Industrial Complex".
Thank you Jacob and Kenneth. Jacob, for having Kenneth on, and Kenneth, for your massive work of exposing the sketchiness of Christianity.
I've vacillated between there being an historical Jesus and none whatsoever and now I am convinced that there wasn't any that conforms to the scholarly consensus of the guild of New Testament scholarship. What evidence is there is just extremely dodgy.
P.S. Right before this video I watched a lecture by Richard Carrier, who takes down the biblical "evidence" for an historical Jesus and advances a celestial Jesus for Christianity's origins. 🙏 I hope you have him on the show, Jacob. 🙂
Thanks for posting this. I'd been beginning to wonder if Ken'd fallen off the face of the earth.
Nice to see him in one piece still.
Third time I listened to this....❤❤
This dude has such a comprehensive and incisive understanding of the Jesus story and gives a smashing critique of it on so many levels as to its origins, growth and maintenance in Western culture. But as he says, when you’re a Believe, facts don’t matter.
You're just scared the story is real.
@@johnholmesinchesahead342 They aren't, but I'm pretty sure you are. Atheists don't have an investment in whether it's true or not; if evidence comes forth that Jesus was a real person, we'd just accept it (not the divinity, just the man; divinity is a whole different category of burden of proof). But you, on the other hand, want to believe it, because you're scared of being wrong.
To be honest, not one thing that Kenneth said is new. Most clergy, if they've been adequately trained know all this stuff, but Kenneth isn't taking it to the next level, the meta-level where he might see the transcendentalist truth behind it. The famous German theologian Rudolf Bultmann said, 'Faith must never be allowed to be dependent upon the labours of a historian'. The Christ within idea is just not catered for in Kenneth's mindset.
@@Prospro8 Yeah I agree that part is useful. The earliest Christians knew Jesus was an allegorical myth and they used it as a teaching tool. It was Rome that literalized the Jesus story.. I love the teachings myself. Love God (I interpret that as loving reality) Love your neighbor, love your enemies. It really liberates you when you practice these teachings but you need the powerful non-dual experiences to really understand it, that's what Kenneth is missing, the powerful divine and mystical experiences. Who cares if there was historical Jesus walking around.
@@Prospro8 "The Christ within" you mean the bullshit within. FIFY.
Good video but the Google ads every 7 minutes is getting to the point where I no longer want to finish the video. Holy f*** hell RUclips.
There are now fewer ads on the video.
@@MMaximuSS1975 it's worth paying a few bugs a month to get rids of the adds, totally different experience 😁👍
He's mentioned way more than 10 points 😉😊👍
and still missed a few, like the objective impossibility of miracles.
If you believe hard enough....😉😅🤷🏻♀️
God wanted us to FREELY choose to love him, but to make that possible we had to be able to FREELY choose not to love him. For that reason God created us with a sinful nature so we could FREELY rebel against him, if we wanted. That proved more successful than anticipated, and people were sinning all over the place. God then invented Hell to scare the daylights out of us in an effort to intimidate us into loving him. That didn't work. Now, God really, really did not want to burn everyone in Hell--he's not that kind of guy--so he concocted a plan. God impregnated a girl to give himself a virgin birth so he could be like the other Pagan gods who came down to earth at that time. Without a virgin birth, you're obviously not a god, so that was necessary. Having established his status as a god, Jesus came to earth as a human, so he could die in a sacrifice--to whom?--to himself. Who else was there? After God arranged for humans to torture, maime, and crucified him, now God could forgive us for offending him with our sins. God's sacrifice was necessary to appease His anger at us for committing sins, and that made it possible for him to forgive everyone and save us from the punishment of Hell, which he devised for us in the first place. Now--stick with me--even after God's sacrifice saved everybody from Hell--Hallelujah, Praise Jesus--God continued to burn just about everybody in Hell because we still didn't love him. God did all of these things--not because he is crazy--no, no, no, but because he loves us as a father loves his children. OK? What's not to believe?
god wants us to be FREE so he tosses us into hell for not kissing his butt. Yeah that makes sense.
I've never been able to wrap my head around how eternal punishment can ever be justified for finite crimes some of which can be debated as to why they should even be crimes at all. The far too extreme nature of the Christian after life drove me away from the faith, as it would anyone who managed to overcome the brainwashing tool that is "faith."
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wait, so god created us with a sinful nature then is angry at us for committing sin?
then he has to send himself as a sacrifice to himself to bend his own laws?
are you listening to yourself?
you said all of that and then seriously ask "what's not to believe?" 😂
I own a church built in 1895. It has a cross on top. I was born into a family, without my vote, who believed their love for me came up short due to their broken moments in their childhood. My mom and dad lived through horrible conditions. So, they looked toward the cross to help them help me understand love. What is it? Where do we go after we die ... no where? Fear not? How? They could only teach me how to work, brush my teeth and laugh at a good joke. They were not scholars and lived simple lives. So, what is my point? We all have some desire to be loved and to love. Why do we have wars? Why do we argue like on this RUclips channel? Im now 54 with dead parents and raising 4 kids. 3 are adopted. What do I tell them about Jesus being real or not? Forget it. Smarter people than I go in circles over this debate. So, smile ... take a breath and connect with your neighbor always. Forgive. Experience life instead of judging it. You....reading this ... smile... you might as well do it...did you get a vote to be born? ❤
This video greatly adds to the research that I have been doing for the past three years. I have a copy of the book that Josephus wrote.
The story about Josephus being in the cave for three days, Josephus being by the side of Titus as he mirrors exactly the ministry of Jesus. Josephus seeing three friends on the crosses and taking down the bodies, surely, surely by now it is evidently clear exactly who is behind the gospel stories??
Clearly it is Josephus with full mandate from Rome.
Historians agree that there is not one written eyewitness account of Jesus during his lifetime. Strange since he was famous at birth, because wise men expected to see the future king of Jews who was born from a virgin married mother. Every leading Christian scholar since Erasmus, five hundred years ago, has maintained that the gospels were originally written in Greek from 70 to 140 CE (Mark after the year 70, Luke about 110, Matthew about 130, and John no earlier than 140 CE). This proves that they were not written by Christ's apostles, disciples or by any of the early Christians.
Others say: “There is no proof of the Gospels existing before 130 CE”
Jesus is depicted as hugely popular in the gospels. Yet he is unrecorded by non-Biblical historians.
Paul was the first one to write about Jesus around 60CE; but he, like everyone else, never saw Jesus. He experienced a vision of the resurrected Jesus. Even Paul’s existence is in serious doubt.
John Gresham Machen wrote: The establishment of Christianity as a world religion, to almost as great an extent as any great historical movement can be ascribed to one man, was the work of Paul.
I also read that the history of the first three popes was invented because they never existed.
All myth! Seek the truth!
Tiberius Julius Alexander was Titus’ chief of staff and watched as the temple was sacked. He wrote under pseudonym Josephus and is the founder of the Xian religion. Josephus’ biography is a fiction.
@@charlesbrowne9590 Josephus clearly is of Flavian and Herodian stock just like Vaspasian was and some people even place Titus as Josephus’ cousin.
They are the pens behind Peter and Paul, with Paul attributed to the works of Pliny the Younger Josephus’ foster brother.
However looking at these works, they will have been done by a literary team not one man or even two and yes Ur Markus and Ur Mattheus Gould be the q documents but they stem back to Seneca and the first attempt to write a global religion.
There are multiple real Jesuses and they are spoken about, preachers and high priests. Then there is the gospel Jesus and the whole thing is actually the cruellest most scathing mockery of Judaism ever. It’s offensive and deliberately so.
I would say that everything except for the Pentateuch is written by a Greek and Roman pens.
@@TheInterestedObserver Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I agree that the NT was written by a team of intellectuals with ready access to Jewish and Greek literature. I’ll bet it was written at the Great Library of Alexandria! The Library sought all the books of the world, so they might have had the entire corpus of Xian literature. This would have been a big problem for the church.
Xians were called “the people of the book”. One advantage of the book over the scroll is that changes can be made by replacing a single page rather than the entire manuscript. Also, mass production of books is easier than with scrolls: each scribe need only copy one page many times.
Interesting
Excellent work, Kenneth. All relayed with a hearty and healthy dose of humor. Oh, the tragically hilarious gullibility of our dubiously foolish specious. 😂
Ken is just such terrific fun to listen to 😁👍
He couldn't answer my question as to why donkeys have a cross on their backs.
@@johnholmesinchesahead342 lol I hope that's a joke
I saw a man walking on water.
He was 100 feet off shore but turns out the water was only 1/2 inch deep. It was an illusion. This was south side of Lake Erie at a state park. I talked to him, he assured me he was not jesus, he gave me a beer. Nice guy.
When a stranger gives you a beer when you're camping and you dont have a beer, well, that's worthy of praise, miracle or not. Cheers!
And lo from his hands he did produce the wine of the grain, and they did partake and were filled with the spirit, and He said, "It is good," as they both ascended into the Heavens.
Thank you Kenneth. What a refreshing, highly entertaining and humorous exposition of human gullibility. The truth, indeed, shall set us free.
I'm so glad Samuel Toko is is Jesus Christ
@14.00: 'a lot of it, (Christian scripture) of course, is an echo of the Old Testament. Well, who knew! ? And there' s plenty more where that little gem came from! This guy just cracks me up. Very entertaining, almost like a comedy spoof.
Hello hope all is well. If any of these Divine things were factual and not fictional they would not live in books but Among us and we would Know Them and not have to Believe that they Exist.🤔
Jesus is both historical and not. There likely was some kind of preacher inspired by John the Baptist that took over when John died. But he likely had very little to do with the Jesus of the Bible. Very few "miracles" are shared between the gospels. And those that do are the weaker ones that can be explained otherwise (feeding the people in the wilderness etc).
So is a fictional character inspired by a real historical person a historical figure? Should we consider Doc from Back to the Future historical because he is the stereotypical Einstein like scientist, with Einstein being a real person? Or Rick from Rick and Morty for the same reason?
A very thought-provoking conversation.
I'm so glad I know Jesus Christ that's a messiah for white folks
the buble was created by outstanding people 👍🏻 but nobody is perfect, jesus was invented and some few people grasp it 🫰🏻⚫️☢️☯️
I agree 😊
Interestingly, i never cared if "jesus" was real or not until people started threatening me with the bible.
All those loving Christians. Aren’t they wonderful. 😂
You were threatened by a Bible? I guess it would hurt if someone threw it at you. 😂😂😂
@@JohnHoulgate the whole point of the bible (both books) is to threaten peasants into submission.
No hate like Christian love.
If someone is asking you to be a follower, and believe in magic - chances are you are being recruited into a cult.
Oh magic exists, lol, and requires no group or leader.
I think guys like this just like to sell books...easy cash
I think he looked like a punk rocker with a briefcase.
Publius Lentulus: “He is a tall, well-proportioned man and there is a severity in his countenance which attracted love and reverence. His hair is the color of new wine, from the roots to the ears and thence to the shoulders. He has never been seen to laugh but has been observed to weep. This was a letter describing what Jesus looked like according to Publius Lentulus
It's funny because that all seeing eye on the back of the one dollar bill is associated with the Bible. Jesus Christ said that if your eye be single then your whole body will fill with light. The Christogram for Christ called Chi Rho is pronounced EXACTLY like Cairo the capital of Egypt. Chi is the Greek letter X and why we say Xmas. If you look at the great pyramid from aerial view you'll see the X symbol inside a square. Square your circles boys.
I think the miracle of calming the sea is about the fact that if you put some vegetable oil in wavy water it makes the waves reduce so much that you can see the flat area spreading out from where it was dropped in. In fact, in old times a sailing ship was saved by the captain dumping 5 gallons of oil overboard, it spread across an area of about a km around the ship. I saw a video showing the effect in a pond.
Now what was Jesus doing in a boat with 12 young men, even teenagers, and 5 gallons or so of olive oil? 🤔 These stories rapidly get very suspicious once you have a rational, non-miraculous way of achieving these "miracles"!
oh, yes
Paul went into the desert or Arabia and concocted the Christian religion that he preached for 3 months. Then he went and preached it. This is typically how all religions are made, including Islam and the Mormons and others. Their main founder spends time alone sequestered and then comes out with the message.
Anyone can walk on water - if you possess the right type of shoes. Nag Hammidi Library - Gospel of the Cobbler.
I am not completely comfortable with this kind of polemicists, those who reduce arguments to punch lines and sarcasm (Michael Jackosn?) He raises some interesting points but I don't see the watermark of serious, original reseach on the sources. To me it seems like a clever reading of secondary sources, perfectly legitimate but not worthy of much time. One can always tell the difference between serious, self-doubting research and superficial summaries by looking at the textuality. Hard researchers, in their presentations, tend to go very deep and become more and more detailed, to the point of losing sight of the big picture. To the contrary, half-baked authors go wide, wider, widest, expanding the filed of observation with bigger and bigger generatizations and analogies. Sorry but this guy fits the second profile to a T.
but you can't identify a single flaw in his analysis yawn
Josephus’ Testimonium Flavianum has been shown beyond any reasonable doubt to be an interpolation by Goldberg in the 90s because it derives from the Emmaus story in Luke’s gospel.
From what I've discovered, Flavius Josephus was a pseudonym for the main author of the NT. Aka Ar/rius Pi so.
Or he wrote the thing as is and in the next two passages subtly demonstrated the utter falsity of Christianity.
I'm not even sure that the TF doesn't contain a subtle hint that Jesus never existed.
keep up the good work Jacob & Ken.
The Jesus in the gospels is mythical, whether there was a real guy or not is irrelevant
it's relevant to historians. whether he was a god is irrelevant. gods don't exist.
Just got hit with another ad. I'm out. Done watching.
That's on you.
@@History-Valley my apologies for sounding so short. I don't mind ads but some of them are minutes long, and every time it gets rolling in the conversation they put a pause on the topic.
@@History-Valley just to be a good sport you got another sub. Keep up the good work.
Great! Now do a research and prove that Hitler never existed. Wish you all the luck.
there is overwhelming evidence hitler existed
If murdererIng is wrong then Salvation through murder is also absolutely wrong.
If Jesus died for our sins, what happened to all of the sinners before Jesus came along? Did everyone just end up going to hell?
The Bible says no one can take the punishment for someone else’s sin. How did Jesus die to save sinners with this being said?
Deuteronomy 24:16
Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.
I think they're all sleeping? God was always going to judge everyone at the end.
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I'm not sure if i am mythecist:
Jesus of the bible - he's a myth.
Historical Jesus - don't care, he's not the bible one.
Seems weird that a god would be submerged so deeply in the sea of confusion and extortion!
not if you realize gods are human creations
Kenneth is a treasure!
This was good stuff.
Brilliant interview. As firm Catholic/IHS it does offer insight. Any claims must be able to stand - When scrutinized. Only fair to do so
Thank you Professor Albus Dumbledore
What Yeshua/Jesus taught was that the Kingdom of God is within you. Look within. As you think so you experience and create. That's not a religion. The Christian religion is the religion of Paul, mostly Mithraism and blood sacrifice. Some say Jesus did not die on the cross as a blood sacrifice, the so called crucifixion was a holographic insert long after Jesus was gone from Palestine and off to other lands to spread the word. Note: In Greek an A at the end of a word is feminine, but S makes the name masculine, hence Yeshua became Yeshus and then Jesus).
I DON'T BELIEVE IT!!! I fell asleep after about 20 mins. Was it worth a rewatch?
If Jesus never existed then most of the prophets are liers who prophesied Jesus to come no Jesus no eternal life to come no way no truth no life no guide no light just the blind leading the blind Jesus is our guide holy spirit teacher comforter revealer of the love of God god's nature is love
No prophet prophesied jesus.
The prophets prophesied a Messiah, Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, yet has not fullfilled the role of the Messiah. If Jesus fullfills the role of the Messiah in a second coming than yes, he is the prophesied Messiah, If not he was a lunatic or even fabricated.
@@ooringe378 I’d go with the latter; fabricated.
Look for, "365 Prophecies Jesus Did Not Fulfill", then listen to Rabbis Tovia Singer, Michael Skoback, and Michael Federow.
Do you think Paul was a made up character?
No I don’t think that.
Someone wrote the letters, so you might as well call him Paul.
@@downenout8705 I would say so.
Paul was a real guy...but he invented his own bogus bio.
Paul probably killed the dude that the Jesus character was very loosely based on.
@@downenout8705Pliny the Younger wrote as Paul.
So Tacitus. Joesphus etc never mentioned Jesus?
Josephus may have mentioned a different Jesus in his Antiquities 18.3.3 & 20.9.1, but then the two passages following 18.3.3 seem to debunk what we read in the offending passage. 18.3.4 discredits the idea of demigods being born of gods being intimate with women and the supposed deity of Jesus in particular, and 18.3.5 seems to call out Christianity as a scam but not by name.
Tacitus on the other hand probably referred to Chrestus who gave Jews in Rome the impulse to riot during Claudius's reign (Suetonius, Lives of the 12 Caesars: Claudius 25.4) because the manuscript evidence shows that he didn't mention Christians but rather Chréstians.
neither Josephus not Tacitus were even born when Jesus was supposedly crucified. They wouldn't know jack sht.
I wasn't aware that Ken had been on your channel Jacob, but I'm so pleased that you have he's great to listen to and that was an excellent conversation. Thank you both.
The God Who Became Christ
The clue we require has always been there in the Gospel of John, where it invariably catches the eye without being appreciated for its true worth. It is to be found in the elaborate speeches where the Jesus of this Gospel is made to speak of himself in the most extravagant terms. The overbearing tone of these orations is completely out of character with the Jesus who emerges elsewhere in the Gospels. For he is purported to say, 'Happy are those who are humble' ( Matthew 5:5; but in John (4:32; 6:35; 7:37; 8:12; 10:10, 11, 30; 11:25-6; 15:1-3, 5)
I have food to eat that you know nothing about...I am the bread of life...He who comes to me will never be hungry; he who believes in me will will never be thirsty.
Whoever is thirsty should come to me and drink.
I am the light of the world... Whoever follows me will have the light of life and will never walk in darkness.
I have come in order that you might have life- life in all its fullness.
I am the good shephard, who is willing to die for the sheep.
My Father and I are one.
I am the ressurection and the life. Whoever believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?
I am the real vine, and my Father is the gardener. He breaks off every branch in me that does not bear fruit., and he prunes every branch that does bear fruit, so that it will be clean and bear more fruit. You have been made clean already by the teaching that I have given you.
I am the vine, and you are the branches. Whoever remains in me, and I in him, will bear much fruit; for you can do nothing without me.
Human beings cannot easily make such presumptuous statements about themselves without placing their sanity in question- a matter which John actually notes (10:19). The particular Jesus to whom these statements were ascribed, however, need not be human. Certainly he would not. I suggest, have been the man who preached the virtues of selflessness and humility in the Sermon on the Mount; nor could he have been Issa, the prophet of the Nazarene Godpel, who was, apparently a strict monotheist in the tradition of Moses, except that he taught a more liberal interpretation of the law. Jeshu Bar Nagara, as a claimant of David's throne, would never have spoken of himself in such terms, which far exceed the Old Testament concept of the Messiah. Had he done so, the young Prince of Israel would have wrecked any chance of realizing his political ambitions from the very beginning, long before he commited the fatal imprudences that led to his crucifixion.
The person of the ' I am' statements of the Fourth Gospel was definitely not a human being.He was a god. More than that, he was a god of fertility : ' I have come in order that you might have life; ' Whoever remains in me, and I in him, will bear much fruit; for you can do nothing without me'. In the lore of the ancient Near East, the fertility gods are beyond count. Is it possible that there was a 'Jesus' among them?
According to the Koran, some of the followers of Issa, the Jesus of the Nazarene Godpel, used to worship him in error as a god (chapter 4). This could mean that the identity of Issa came to be confused in some Nazarene circles with that of a deity by the same name- a confusion which was still in existance with the advent of Islam in the seventh century AD.
It is intriguing that in the West Arabian regions of the Hijaz and Asir, no less than seven villages are called Al Issa( locally pronounced Il 'Isa, or El 'Isa, literally the 'God Issa'), thus immortalizing the name ' Jesus' as that of a deity.
Extract from 'Conspiracy in Jerusalem' by professor Kamal Salibi.
Let us pray 🙏 Lord Jesus Christ son of God let us pray for his soul 🕊️🍃
praying is stupid. you are just talking to yourself.
Whilst we pray for yours
Christian zealots, never question everything that`s make them worst enemy of themselves.
but humanity actually struggles with reality
I don't GX()Xd is ur Mother 👩🏽🍼
Wasn't Paul secretly working for the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original Roman Catholic Saints' members of the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original symbols used by the earliest Christians identical to those of the Flavian Dynasty? And wasn't the earliest iconographic image of Jesus The Christ, in a catacomb, under the city of Rome, which was owned by a Flavian Princess? Weren't all of the original Jesus cult texts produced under the oversight of the Flavian Dynasty? Didn't the Flavian Dynasty posses the only remaining copy of the Hebrew Tanakh other than the Greek Septuagint translation? Isn't there Flavian typology in the Gospels? Weren't the canonical texts all back dated like the historical fiction of Gone With The Wind? Wasn't Emperor Vespasian known as the Jewish Messiah? Wasn't Josephus a temple whore for the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't the Flavian’s, as well as Paul, descended from King Herod? There was no separation of Church and State in the Roman Empire. And Christianity is clearly a Greco-Roman hybrid form of Judaism created by the Flavian Dynasty. As an attempt to adapt, pacify, and integrate the rebellious and defiant Jews into the rest of the Greco-Roman Empire. Then finally Neo-Flavian Constantine chose the Flavian family religion to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire. In order to consolidate power in his fractured Empire. And then Eusebius edited and rewrote the history of the previous 3OO years. It isn't history it is all simply Greco-Roman mythopoetic literature. Today it is known as Historical Fiction.
“What profit hath not that fable of Christ brought us.”
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1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
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I am Jewish and I have great respect for the scholarship of Kenneth Humphreys when he talks about Paul .
(Saul Of Tarsus ) and the fact what they claim Paul did and the logic of what he preaches about Jesus is nothing but fiction.
But I must somewhat disagree on Jesus . The Jews never claimed he did not exist even in the early centuries .
But if you actually heard him speak I believe few would be interested.. He sounded like those Christians
you will see with the signs"Repent the end of the world is near" wandering through the cities even today.
The ones most think are crazy.
They are crazy, lol.
The Jews invented the Jesus myth to quell a rebellion.
Life of Brian is a documentary
Many think Moses didn't exist either. Another fairy tale claimed by 3 warmongering religions. Bizarre, all of it.
I’m not a Christian, but it’s a bit ridiculous to call the early believers intolerant because they objected to being forced to sacrifice to pagan gods. 🙄 Polytheistic religions, like that of Rome, weren’t more tolerant. They forced religious observance and sacrifice just as readily as monotheistic religions. Early Christianity was largely withdrawn from society and politics, and its intolerance did not come from its monotheism-that developed when the religion was appropriated as an apparatus of the Roman state, which by that time were facing a far more militant anti-thesis to earlier Christian pacifism (I.e. Turkish migration and the rise of Islam).
Judaism’s mythical ethnocentrism is exclusivity and intolerance, but seems more tolerant because their moral condescension means they make no effort to proselytize.
The narrative in Acts begins to speak Saul (8:1) without any indication that he was also called Paul. Then the switch in the name suddenly occurs without any explanation in the account of the apostle's first preaching voyage: 'Then Saul- also known as Paul ( in the original Greek o kai Paulos, literally ' the also Paul') - was filled with the Holy Spirit...' (13:9). Furthermore, Acts attributes to Paul the following identification of himself (21:39, then elaborated in 22:3):
I am a Jew, born in Tarsus in Cilicia, but brought up here in Jerusalem as a student of Gamaliel...in the Law of our ancestors.
In the epistles he himself wrote, Paul does not mention Tarsus, in Cilicia (today in southern Turkey), as his place of birth, nor does he make any personal reference to an early residence in Jerusalem, or to Gamaliel as his instructor in the Jewish law. In Galatians 1:21, he speaks of 'places in...Cilicia' which he went to visit three years after the start of his apostolic career, without in any way indicating that he had a home or relatives there.From the information he personally gives about the beginning of his apostolic career(Galatians 1:17-18), the implications is that he was a resident ( perhaps a native) of Damascus and that his visit to Jerusalem three years after his conversion was his first- barring the possibility of an earlier visit or visits on pilgrimage.
Possibly, Acts confuses the identity of Paul with that of another person called Saul who was the student of Gamaliel, and who actually lived in Jerusalem, where he was a Jewish persecutor of the early followers of Jesus- among other things, approving of the ' murder' of Stephen, the first Nazarene marter in the city (8:1). It is also possible that the use of Saul as Paul's original name was outright invention. Paul himself claimed to belong to the Israelite tribe ofBenjamin, and recognized Jesus as a descendant of David. Historically, there was a Saul who was the first king of Israel,and this Saul, like Paul, belonged to the tribe of Benjamin; David, who replaced him on the Israelite throne, belonged to the tribe of Judah. It was perhaps for this reason that the name Saul was assumed to have been the original name of Paul. Acts could have been drawing a subtle parallel between Paul and the historical Saul on the one hand, and between Jesus and David on the other, where it made Paul say in a speech, shortly after the change of his name (Acts 13:20-3): (God) gave ( the Israelites) judges until the time of the prophet Samuel. And when they asked for a king , God gave them Saul son of Kish from the tribe of Benjamin, to be their king for forty years. After removing him, God made David their king. This is what God said about him: ' I have found that David son of Jesse is the kind of man I like, a man who will do all I want him to do.' It was jesus, a descendant of David, whom God made the Saviour of the people of Israel., as he had promised.
It is worth noting here that in the epistles he himself wrote, unlike this speech attributed to him, Paul does not dwell on the Davidic descent of Jesus, but merely mentions it in two instances in a somewhat offhand manner, and both times as a passing reference.
Here's the fishy story of Saul's/Paul's conversion. 🐟
Acts 9:3-8
"3 Now as he was going along and approaching Damascus, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" 5 He asked, "Who are you, Lord?" The reply came, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 6 But get up and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do." 7 The men who were traveling with him stood speechless because they heard the voice but saw no one. 8 Saul got up from the ground, and though his eyes were open, he could see nothing; so they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus."
2 Maccabees 3:23-28
"23 Heliodorus went on with what had been decided. 24 But when he arrived at the treasury with his bodyguard, then and there the Sovereign of spirits and of all authority caused so great a manifestation that all who had been so bold as to accompany him were astounded by the power of God, and became faint with terror. 25 For there appeared to them a magnificently caparisoned horse, with a rider of frightening mien; it rushed furiously at Heliodorus and struck at him with its front hoofs. Its rider was seen to have armor and weapons of gold. 26 Two young men also appeared to him, remarkably strong, gloriously beautiful and splendidly dressed, who stood on either side of him and flogged him continuously, inflicting many blows on him. 27 When he suddenly fell to the ground and deep darkness came over him, his men took him up, put him on a stretcher, 28 and carried him away - this man who had just entered the aforesaid treasury with a great retinue and all his bodyguard but was now unable to help himself. They recognized clearly the sovereign power of God."
Acts 9:17-19
"17 So Ananias went and entered the house. He laid his hands on Saul and said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on your way here, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18 And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes, and his sight was restored. Then he got up and was baptized,19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength. For several days he was with the disciples in Damascus, 20 and immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, "He is the Son of God."'
Tobit 11:7-8, :11-15a
"7 Raphael said to Tobias, before he had approached his father, "I know that his eyes will be opened. 8 Smear the gall of the fish on his eyes; the medicine will make the white films shrink and peel off from his eyes, and your father will regain his sight and see the light."'
"11 with the gall of the fish in his hand, and holding him firmly, he blew into his eyes, saying, "Take courage, father." With this he applied the medicine on his eyes, 12 and it made them smart. 13 Next, with both his hands he peeled off the white films from the corners of his eyes. Then Tobit saw his son and threw his arms around him, 14 and he wept and said to him, "I see you, my son, the light of my eyes!" Then he said, "Blessed be God, and blessed be his great name, and blessed be all his holy angels. May his holy name be blessed throughout all the ages. 15 Though he afflicted me, he has had mercy upon me. Now I see my son Tobias!"'
2 Maccabees 3:34-36
"34 And see that you, who have been flogged by heaven, report to all people the majestic power of God." Having said this they vanished. 35 Then Heliodorus offered sacrifice to the Lord and made very great vows to the Savior of his life, and having bidden Onias farewell, he marched off with his forces to the king. 36 He bore testimony to all concerning the deeds of the supreme God, which he had seen with his own eyes."
"The use of cycles, parallels, repetitions, melodramatic characterization, stereotyped scene construction, inventing or presenting stories that replicate biblical narrative, unbalanced narrative with evident symbolic import, and a balanced structure-all these raise insurmountable objections. History cannot be quite so symmetrical. In addition there are any number of historical problems."
Richard Pervo, The Mystery of Acts, pp. 151
Note: In Acts nowhere does the authorities show concern that a convicted criminal (Jesus) escaped justice, and is being harbored by what could be perceived as rebels against the government.
Straight out of Homer's Odyssey.
An obvious mimesis of Virgil's Aenaeus - Dennis R. MacDonald
Antikythera mechanism proves the Earth is flat, maybe 300 - 2,000 years b4 the flat Earth bible was written. Was 'God' talking the Greeks?
I wanted to watch this earlier, but it wouldn't let me.
Do you exist mister?
Clicked on this and thought the presenter was having a stroke or something lol
O.K. on 'copied stories': that likewise seems a little two dimensional to my mind.
Stories have meanings and significance for their originators, their tellers, and the listeners/readers/consumers, and all these meanings have similarities and differences. The reality of human life demands this, thirst is thirst and hunger is hunger.. The question for a text historian is always... 'what truth does a text reflect'. I mean (given its propagandistic style) what might we tell from Eusebius's Vitae Constantine? "The Emperor then went to..."? Josephus?* How 'reliable' is a turncoat?
Someone has to start telling a particular iteration of 'background myth', that telling will have personal significance for ...the person. Human relationships seem pretty central to all stories. The horror of crucifixion (Titus ran out of wood supposedly) these have significance for anyone living under Roman rule. How many mothers grieved an 'empty tomb' their loved one left for the crows, vultures and dogs or thrown in a pit? Yup elements of earlier narratives rendered in a new way for a new context. Not hard to see why a cult that thought their 'master' had died nailed up, but been seen alive again (pbh)might get a bit of traction in the followers market... Especially after the sack of Jerusalem. (Mark minus the tacked on ending.) But its a bit hard to imagine them 'inventing' the marrative from whole cloth. I mean even the 'man becomes god' trope was common place at the time... If the Julio Claudians are anything to go by. Whch doesn't answer, why this trope at this time and place?
*I mean he's another one** that brags about how cool his lies are... Ending up last man standing and getting a cushy job as Vespasian's pet Judean.historian..
**Paul of Tarsus.
Professor Ken Dark presents archeological evidence that Nazareth was a flourishing village along a river.
Got to 7 minutes or so.... Pretty much agree with most of what you introduce... None of which explains the origins of those myths. Whereas a 'Historical Jesus' (a different character entirely) does. And a 'kind man', kinda works better than some characterisations. Just a 'apocalyptic preacher'... Seems a tad two dimensional.
Dude got nailed up... Ancient world poor needed a symbol to end crucifixion. (Roman terror weapon basically) Yeshua was the one it got pinned on.
Post bereavement hallucinations suggest a strong emotional bond to something. Doesn't sound like Paul Made that up... His readers knew these things, they knew what their own congregation knew, cos they were read out. Cos... You know most folks couldn't read or write. Paul was so envious of the visions of the dead guy... he had one of his own.
And Paul tells us he met his brother, and his mates, folks his readers knew. Doesn't sound like a lie a true liar might tell, (The real lie he tells is his own ressurection experience, which he later comes to believe.). And its too elaborate in its mundane for a 1st century fantasist. An example of world building that neither Herbert or Tolkein could match. After that its Pauls ego all the way.
Oh and... the 'evidence' ofthe Gospels is a different (and inferior) order to Paul's evidence. The implications of who Paul is writing to and why? (E.g. begging for money) What his readers have to know, for: what he tells us to make sense. etc.
Shallow take on Jesus' philosophy. He defined love in many ways, including the parable of the good Samaritan. This guy has not read the bible, so has no clue what Jesus said.
OMG. This is not scholarship. This is just a rant. Waste of time.
but you couldn't cite a single thing he said wrong yawn
Hmm. You did not understand my complaint.
I feel sort of bad for you being unbright.
@@goodtoGoNow1956 and you STILL couldn't cite a single thing he said wrong. YOUR comment is just a rant. Self-awareness is a thing gomer.
OMG. What an idiot you are. Are you completely and totally unable to focus?
What is wrong with you?
So Ironic for you to talk about self awareness and not have any.
I read John Allegro's "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross": it was one of the most difficult texts I have tackled because it is basically an etymological and historical linguistics tour de force. His work, in my opinion, can only be truly appreciated by people who are well versed in ancient Middle Eastern languages (from Sumerian on). Most of his hypotheses are supported by linguistic arguments and therefore very difficult to evaluate by non-specialists.
His main thesis is that all the various texts of the new testament are entirely composed of allegories contained in ciphered messages, with puns, hints, allusions and wink-and-nods references for initiates -- all referring to the use of allucinogenic plants and sacred mushrooms.
I remember in particular the discussion about the "mustard seed" and his argument that such seeds do not exist, nor do they develop into the kind of plant that would make sense int he context of the metaphor at its core.
Mustard seeds do exist but they produce mustard greens, never trees.
We grow mustard greens every year.
I remember hearing about it from the Joe Rogan podcast. Yeah sounds interesting. As a mushroom user myself I can totally see it as a possibility. Mushrooms are powerful hallucinogens. But I can't read it, it's above my abilities..
@@edwardmiessner6502if you Google mustard plants you'll see that they can be very tall spindly bushes that are invasive plants. They're not trees but are more than just greens like spinach.
Just be careful with stone if these things so you don't lose your credibility.
BTW there is more than one type of mustard plant.
Ahhh, Kenneth Humphreys. Love him, but what's this? History Valley? Oh no. Off it goes. This site has interesting titles, but it is so annoying. Scam ads every three minutes, mid thought intrusions. This guy is trying to get rich sitting on his ass off of RUclips monetization.
I can't seem to find Kenneth Humphrey's book the long version "Jesus Never Existed". I was only able to find the short version, "Jesus Never Existed: an Introductory"
The problem with your narratives is that is denies the vast amount of litirature, music and art, besides the collaberating evidences through extensive archeology.
We have two Jesus characters.
The first was a wandering Jewish doomsday preacher who was finally executed as a public nuisance for stirring up the people in a period of political unrest.
The second is a miracle working godman invented by the early Christians resulting in a collection of Jesus stories called the New Testament.
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Matthew 18:2-6
When one discounts the greatly vast amounts of evidence for Who Jesus is. One then simply disqualifies their own assertions.
No Jesus Here in 2023
I'm glad I'm not a CHRISTIAN 😊
What about the Secret Book of Pontius Pilatus? Were his province not overrun with Jesii, he would have had no reason to collect Roman Messiah-banishing spells in that volume and make them available to his fellow governors! To my knowledge, SBPP is the only reference to the historical plague of Jesuses in Roman Palestine to be found in any Pagan source.