Jesus Is Not The Only Jesus w/ Richard Carrier
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Richard Carrier joins ACM to discuss other dying and rising god throughout history, the zeitgeist movie, and much more! Always a pleasure having Richard on the show! You don't want to miss this! And you wont want to miss what he's been up to!
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Believer: Your Relationship with god is simply a profound and dynamic relationship with the self, with your ego. This is why god can seem so very real to you. In a sense he is real. He is you. This is why god's opinions are so very often your opinions. This is why two believers of the same religion can both claim to agree with god's opinion but not with each others. When you pray and god gives you answers you are the source of those intuitions. You are simply having a conversation with yourself and don't even realize it. This is why god can always assuage any doubts of the believer. You see, "God" knows exactly how you think because he is you. He knows your tastes, your biases and all the gaps in your logic. Therefore it follows that "he" knows what arguments you will find compelling and what mental gymnastics you are capable of to ignore any arguments to the contrary. Ironically I probably can't convince you of anything I stated above because of the very fact that it is in fact true. You are "god".
The next time you hear someone preaching or waxing poetic about god, Jesus, Mohamed or Joseph Smith, change all the names and pronouns you hear them say, in your mind, so that they refer to the person speaking and trust me you will get a whole new perspective on life.
This is why believers have such a strong emotional reaction whenever they encounter a non-believer. They simply misperceive the non-believers rational skepticism about the supernatural and occult as an assault on their "god" which is to say their own personal identity.
There are a vast multitude of religions and superstitious beliefs in the world that espouse many mutually contradicting doctrines. Therefore they cannot all be true. but they can certainly all be false. Even if one were actually proven to be true it would still follow that human beings have a rather remarkable propensity for making up entire religions from whole cloth. I think that all religions and other supernatural beliefs are cultural phenomena of purely human making. Much of this impulse in human culture is driven by peoples existential angst, their innate and instinctive fear of death. Their own death and the death of the people they love. It can seem easier to deal with death by convincing ourselves that it is not real. "My loved one is not dead they are in the afterlife", we tell ourselves. And "Of course I will never die! that's absurd!". You all need to grow up. Embrace the suck! And make the most of the time you actually do have.
You are mortal. Death is real...... Get over it.
I sincerely and earnestly do not believe that gods exist. But you have each other. Perhaps that alone could bring meaning to your lives.
However if you insist on believing in supernatural claims at a minimum please do us all a big favor and don't give your hard earned money to religion pimps and hucksters.
I wish I could give you 10 thumbs up.
This is the best summation of religion that I have ever read. Very well said.
We salute you !
Great post. Yes, very self-reflective.
Garbage... There is nothing inside of human beings THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR LIFE AND THE UNIVERSE. That is, no man is a God. Even cave men and ancient tribal communities looked at their surroundings and paid tribute to something GREATER than themselves. Here, The Atheist doesn't have the basic intellect of ancient tribal societies who paid tribute to their God or Gods. Prayer is not believers talking to themselves; prayer is tapping into a Greater power and paying tribute to that power that is the source of life for everything. The human being starts as a drop of liquid and evolves into a human being. Would it be logical for sperm to argue that there is no life after the sperm cycle? Now the sperm is a grown man and OPEN DISPUTER to the ONE who made him. Figure it out. JUDGEMENT is the next cycle of life for human beings.
The Jesus question is interesting but check out his books on Roman Science, even more interesting imo.
Richard's Carrier is frighteningly smart. Great asset to atheism advocacy.
Joseph carrier is a dumb shit.
and you people are even dumber for believing in him.
bobby brown saying someone is a "dumb shit" without addressing the points being made proves nothing
We don't have to "believe" anything Carrier says. We can look at the evidence and choose the option that has the most support. You just happen to "believe" the option with little to no evidence. I think the next person to say "dumb shit" should be pistol whipped in respect of the movie Super Troopers.
It proves he's a dumb shit.
aw yes, violence. the answer to all lifes problems
Great video guys keep up the great work
This is extremely interesting and useful. Thank you. :)
Baptism for the dead! My cultural faith, Mormonism, is all in with that mythical ideation. You wouldn't believe the money they waste on this, as opposed to spending it on the elevation of the poor in the present real world. Elaborate temples, millions spent on searching genealogies, etc.
Amen Brother lol. I come from the same roots unfortunately. lived it for a long time and then decided to open my mind and think for myself and came to realize all of the stuff the mormon church was hiding.
no rational guy is a mormon
Come out! support science and reason openly! Show respect to the believers except where they show disrespect.
Another Utahn? Same here.
@@CGoldthorpe No rational person is religious, there, fixed it for you!
In case you guys have not read the comments "Dee bunker" is absolutely destroying all the silly theists
+Kristina, It's easy when you have the facts on your side.
I only found out yesterday that there were many dying and rising gods, what an eye opener
"Dying and rising" ad infinitum might describe NUFC...
Yes it was a common topic in antiquity. So christianity is a jewish mystery and surely it is different from the older egyptian mystery cults and the greek mystery cults and the little asian mystery cults, but it has commonalities as well. It was a trend of the time.
Poor Immanuel!
Nobody ever calls him his proper name.
Not even his Daddy Isaiah who had to bed the presumed virgin because she would not get pregnant by herself... and the boy who ended up with this ridiculously long and complicated name presumably died a few centuries before Jesus could be born as pretender to the messiah title, neither fitting the premise of the messiah prophecy, the acts alleged to the Messiah nor the fate (he should NOT have died as rather young man on a cross, that's a completely different prophecy not even alleging to referring to the messiah, but of old age after bringing victory to Israel... oooops!)
Irena Horvat Jesus was a fictional fulfillment of prophecy. Stories passed on and enhanced verbally for decades before being written by anonymous people over centuries who can't even agree content wise. Some blatently copying others. As proof of failed actual prophetic (just more fiction anyway) fulfillment, Jews do not recognise Jesus as anything other than a more than common prophet, not devine at all.
At any rate, religion's time has long passed. If religious childhood indoctrination is ever ended, religion will die. All the religions and gods started many millennia ago when men were superstitious & ignorant about the world and cosmos. That's how myth works. Only scientifically ignorant or indoctrinated (brainwashed) people believe this ridiculous nonsense. Sad.
Plus, both genealogies record Jesus as descending from "the accursed branch of Jesse", whose sons shall never sit on the Throne of David because their father did that which was evil in the eyes of the Lord. This is the blood curse of Jeconiah. Jeremiah 22:30 “This is what the LORD says: ‘Record this man as if childless, a man who will not prosper in his lifetime, for none of his offspring will prosper, none will sit on the throne of David or rule anymore in Judah.'”
Carrier is brilliant in this video. He's his usual self, educational, straight shooter and without any BS. Very refreshing.
Irena Horvat could you please share and educate us on just a couple of BS stories from Carrier ?
Follower Of Christ No, you are completely wrong again, he has constantly spoken out against the authenticity of zeitgeist, stating often that it got most points wrong.
You should know what you are talking about before you fire your mouth of, you have just discredited yourself as someone worth listening to.
+Follower Of Christ
Sound of Crickets here....
Followers of Christ - Tacitus and Josephus again, really? They did not write at the time of Jesus. No one wrote a single word about a god walking on earth. Even decades later neither Tacitus nor Josephus fell for hearsay and claimed that god walked on earth.
TorianTammas
But why does all this talk as to whether or not god exists, loves us, walked the face of the earth, etc., have to take us to the bible/ancient texts and back to ancient times, in order for us to find out whether or not this is all true? Does the bible not teach that god is the same yesterday, today, and forever? And, with that in mind, shouldn't we expect to see god visiting us today, much like he purportedly did back in antiquity? How can a god who truly loves his people NOT come to visit and spend time with them, every now and then? We're only told that he does so....that we just can't see him because he is in the spirit. It's unbelieveable the negative effect that religion has on people's ability to think rationally.
_Doctor_ Richard Carrier. I believe he earned it.
Yes, they should fix the title to "Dr. Richard Carrier".
Found your channel from your Bible study with Aron Ra and the gang. Really glad I did. Lots of good content here.
thanks for upload
Ya know,
There certainly has been a lot of empassioned discussion in this comments section, but I'm still waiting for someone to put forward one thing:
Where is the scholarly book, written by a university professor, that challenges Carrier's results? Where is the peer-reviewed defense of historicity? What's the title? What's the doi number?
Surely some religious studies professor has realized that he could make a name for himself, galvanize the faithful, make a ton of money, go on the lecture circuit, and be as famous as Bart Ehrman if he just gathered up all the evidence that everyone claims is out there, somewhere, and wrote such a book? I'd buy a copy in hardcover!
Anyone?...
Clearly this mythesism view isn't going to just fade away. Carrier's Historicity was published almost a decade ago. Where is the formal rebuttal?
I find the silence from the academic community to be a little suspicious. The core of their professional world has been challenged, and they don't publish a detailed defense?
I don't live in Milwaukee, and I am not an atheist, but I find this channel to be a fount of knowledge which I appreciate especially in this era of fanatical Christianism.
No such thing as non fanatical chriatianity.. the delusion is strong huh..
Thank "God" for Richard...no pun intended. LOL. This man gives me hope that future generations will hopefully wake up and free themselves from the chains of religion.
all in all they just are another brick in the wall
he's one of the best!
Carrier's OHJ is a great book, even if you don't agree with his conclusions. An excelent source of information if you're interested in proto-christianity or religion in general.
For those with reading comprehension I suggest the Greek magical papyri is the best book. One can clearly see how religions enjoyed it of magic. Even down to the Egyptian baptism where water washes away corruption and purifies the soul.
As I understand it Dr Carrier's book "On The Historicity Of Jesus" is in peer review.
Dr Carriers Book has been peer reviewed by other historians. It is very solid, extensive and one of the first that evaluates the evidence objectively. So far no one could challenge him on the substance of this work.
***** If you get a chance watch him, Robert M Price, and David Fitzgerald on The Thinking Atheist podcast 198. One of my favorite collaborations.
Is it passed that?
@@CGoldthorpe Yes
I only wish that this was in-person or a Zoom recording, where we can see the speaker's faces (especially Dr. Carrier). Because he really is an enjoyable author and charmastic researcher.
love Richard. i’ve sincerely considered set up a crowd finder to get him and Bart in the same room. though i think an honest and through critique of On the historicity is required.
The batshittery of the Christian is alive and well in the comments section
Yes, many followers are more insane than the perps
Sin = death!!
@@mikedonigan6665 We all die, but that doesn't mean your imaginary disease is a thing.
Okay as Carl Sagan said about religions, Get rid of one religion and another one pops up in its place.
P.S. People who need Gods and Saviors, Don't Think Outside Of The Box.
does it keep freezing for anyone else pissing me off
it seems you got that explanation for another dimension
I can only suspect some sort of supernatural connection for that .
Flip is upset that carrier is such a great scholar. Non of his arguments have ever been refuted
+Follower of Christ, you said "if someone accepts known frauds as valid sources...they are even more unreliable." Agreed! And your bible is full of forgeries and known frauds. Since you accept known frauds as valid sources, you are even more unreliable.
"A large number of books in the early church were written by authors who falsely claimed to be apostles in order to deceive their readers into accepting their books and the views they represented. This view that the New Testament contains books written under false names is taught at virtually all the major institutions of higher learning except strongly evangelical schools throughout the Western world. It is the view taught in all the major textbooks on the New Testament used in these institutions. It is the view taught in seminaries and divinity schools. It is what pastors learn when they are preparing for ministry." (Dr. Bart Ehrman, Jesus Interrupted, pg 136-137)
www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/53697864/jesus-interrupted/144
He is desperately suffering as was I when I was a reborn athiest / skeptic!
Jordan Kimball um. Nothing that Carrier has said here refuted the validity of Christianity. There are numerous speculative and unsubstantiated claims - for example, his date of the authorship of the canonical gospels is incongruous with scholarship.
"There can be only one!" : )
Carrier is brilliant and articulate as usual
Best video on youtube:" Horus ruins Christmas"....Funniest thang you've ever watched. Merry Christmas!!!
Your fake holy book says to murder babies: "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3) Merry Mythmas!
Wow, what kind of psycho tells gullible fanatics that they can *drink deadly poison* without harm? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What could go wrong?
"A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service"
www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
The funniest thing I've watched is you defend an ancient book of fairy tales with stories of a talking snake, talking donkey and 900-year-old men! LOL!
Regarding Christ, it's time for me to talk to my kids about sects...
Or cults.
20:25. I think the Mormons tried to do this with Anne Frank, the Jews were not pleased.
AFAIK, Holocaust survivor groups found out and stopped the practice of proxy baptism for Holocaust victims before it got to millions. (Yes, there were millions killed in the Holocaust, if that's what you mean.)
The Mormons have also baptised Maimonides, Albert Einstein and Irving Berlin.
I doubt the Jews were pleased.
Byron Sigrano
For a second I thought it said "Mayonnaise". It might as well be.
Did the Nazis get their idea for the Holocaust from the bible? "The racialized anti-Jewish Nazi ideology converged with antisemitism that was historically widespread throughout Europe at the time and had deep roots in Christian history. For all too many Christians, traditional interpretations of religious scriptures seemed to support these prejudices." Holocaust Encyclopedia, www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206
Where would the Nazis get the crazy idea that the BIBLE said it was okay to murder women, children and infants? ) "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants" (1 Samuel 15:2-3).
Are any of the dying rising gods “fully god fully man”?
why don't you ask the source instead of measuring it against your opinion?
Horus most certainly dies and is resurrected, as a babe, it can be found on Mertinech Stela, of ce. 4thcentury bce.
The type of dying-and-rising god Carrier is referring to is known as a soter; and, soter myths are called soteriology. Horus does not fit this type. He died as a result of a scorpion bite and was brought back to life by his mother. The s[ell she supposedly used was later used to expel scorpion poison. This is found on the Metternich Stele www.sacred-texts.com/egy/leg/leg11.htm
WHICH HORUS? Theres 3000 DIFFERENT VERSIONS of HORUS and DIFFERENT STORIES ATTACHED to HORUS. ALL SPRINGING FROM DIFFERENT TOWNS and AREAS and DYNASTIES, ETC. RESURRECTION and BAPTISM are NOT IDEAS THAT STARTED with CHRISTIANITY. THE IDEA of RESURRECTION PREDATES EGYPT. THE THING THAT SEPARATES CHRISTIANITY is that JESUS WAS THE ONLY PERSON EVER KNOWN TO ACTUALLY PULL IT OFF ;)
LIE Channel, It's not like believing in a fake holy book hurts anyone. "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Well, except gullible believers: "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service"
www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
I do not remember where I saw it, but there is some apologist video here on YT which claims that the other "jesus stories" are each significantly different. If anyone here can find that video, and refute each claim, it would be great! Even better if you let us know where it is on YT, and the refutations.
Still no rebuttals to a single argument. Carrier owned baby. now most scholars agree that Jesus was a myth based on no evidence.
Follower Of Christ I can see from your name that you are an entirely impartial and unbiased source.
Follower Of Christ
"If someone rejects historical records(like Richard Carrier did), they are not a valid historian."
If someone rejects "historical records", then it means they think they aren't historical records. Your statement is bullshit. And my 666 trumps your Christ ; )
Let's murder babies because some guy says that God said to! "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys" (1 Samuel 15:2-3).
Virtuoso Joel " I see from you name you are a impartial and unbiased source". I'm not a Christian but you have to be aware that Carrier treats historical sources in a shameful way and is very biased. He probably doesn't like Christianity as it was a mechanism for slave girls to turn down unwanted sexual advances, he wouldn't like that!!! He regards christians as deluded fools and misses the point of what some people get out of religion. And as I say, he is not highly regarded by scholars.
i once put to death the most beautiful crop of greenhouse tomatoes you've ever seen; adult ones, baby ones, half grown ones; they had TMV a virus. If I had failed to destroy them, I could endanger every farm that used those plants in the field and possibly wiped out many farmers livelihood . I seemed cruel and extreme to the uninformed.
They actually used color/UV/IR filters to reconstruct the lost achemedies(sp?) method book. Not particle accelerators. I met the scientists that did it at the walters art museum where it was shown. Was amazing to see right in front of you the real thing that you were taught in school. Wasn't calculus, newton did calculus.
Thank you again for making my faith strong in Christ ,thank you Richard Carrier
Lose the rock&roll intro if you want to be taken seriously.
... by those who judge and reject information based on a musical intro.
Lose the story about the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies if you want to be taken seriously.
Yes!
It’s obviously a finger to all those so-called Christians who believe that atheists are spawn of the devil.
It is a juvenile into, to be honest.
Does a "jesus christ" have wheels? I think it would be cool if it did and had dualies in the back powered by a cummins 6.7L V8 diesel power stroke. Jesus would drive a pick up with low MPG because oil companies are the work of god. "God gave all the green plants on earth to use even when it turns into black oil" Mathew 9:17.
Why would he need any man made device?
Who wouldn't want a huge pick up truck with a chrome plated scrotum hanging off the trailer hitch? Of course jesus would drive that and have a bush cheney bumper sticker on the back and a gun rack.
Mather 9:17 ells us not to put new wine in old bottles.
...and so....
I haven't actually read the bible: RULE #1 when commenting on youtube don't read the source material or know what the fuck you are talking about. So no matthew 9:17 doesn't say that. I don't know this for a fact!
Ok, well, the spell I'm most interested in learning is one called _True Seeing_ . I wish I could cast that spell on myself for a standard duration so I could see what's happening around me when I need to pay attention to that and so I could focus on more important and realer things when I don't detect any magical conspiracy afoot. I freely admit that I have no access to a spell of _True Seeing_ and that my understanding of Christianity is entirely based on wild guesses, coincidences, and third person accounts.
I looked up psalm 22, wow!
I do not even agree with Dawkins that we should all read the bible once so we can know what it says - it is way to big even though I have read it completely several times in my christian days
How about 137:9
God is infinite - Creates the universe 6000 years ago.
FAIL
I guess he was bored sat around for billions of years with sod all to do
Jesus gave you magic powers and says you can drink DEADLY POISON! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18)
Go ahead and try it--it proves the bible is true! "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service"
www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
Oooops! Well, at least they went right to heaven. Jesus must've needed some more angels.
I'm from the town this happened in... Feels bad man. I knew it was bad but I did not know about this, lol.
Yes, that's my response when Christians try to defend the verse. ;) New International Version - Marginal note on Mark chapter 16: "The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9-20."
"But once again, the verses came from a creative scribe long after the Gospel of Mark was written. In fact, the earliest versions of Mark stop at 16:8."
www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/thats-not-what-bible-says-294018.html
Biblical scholar Dr. James Tabor says, "The longest concocted ending, which became Mark 16:9-19, became so treasured that it was included in the King James Version of the Bible, favored for the past 500 years by Protestants, as well as translations of the Latin Vulgate, used by Catholics. This meant that for countless millions of Christians it became sacred scripture-but it is patently bogus."
www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/new-testament/the-strange-ending-of-the-gospel-of-mark-and-why-it-makes-all-the-difference/
+Tyrant Sun
If God is infinite, why can you not accept He created the Universe?
There's a Sumerian wall plaque showing "libation scenes" that can be seen on the web site Ancient History Encyclopaedia. Given that the Sumerian civilization died out around 1750 BCE, could this baptism ritual have had other symbolic meaning than "washing away sins"? Or, were these mystery cults much older than Dr Carrier suggests?
gripping stuff,i was on the edge of my seat from start to finish,,slept in between
god loves yiu guys and so do i.He is coming back like he promise.
It just blew my mind when I heard that baptism is actually an older tradition practiced by polytheistic religions. You never hear that from any christian. Love this channel to death.
Wow! He totally butchered the scales of Ma'at/devourer judgment scene lol
Who Isreal he butchered numerous things lol
I just found out that Richard Carrier is not the only Richard Carrier! OMG!
At least he doesn't tell his followers to murder children and infants: "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3)
"DAMN HIM", lyrics by Caiaphas the High Priest, and sung by a small band of dancing Levites before Pontius Pilate.
Adapted as the theme song to the Decker Hot Dogs t.v. commercial 1960's or 1970's era, sung by Roger Miller, lyrics
adaption by Johnny Rivers.
Damn Him. Damn Him. [Dang me. Dang me.]
You oughta take a cross and hang Him. [They oughta take a rope and hang me.]
Hang Him from the highest treeee!! [Hang me from the highest treeee!]
Ben-Deker ain't Messiah to me. [Decker is the DOG for me.]
Do do do do do - de do de - doe doe doe.
[ one more time ]
Do do do do do - de do de - doe doe doe.
Ben-Deker translated is "Son of Piercings" (Isaiah 53, 1 Kings 4).
He was pierced for our transgressions.
The pre-incarnate Christ (Ben-Deker) served King Solomon's Court, 1 month of each year.
Solomon was the Holy Spirit incarnate. He had 12 men serve his Court just as Jesus had 12 Disciples.
The 12 Disciples of Jesus were incarnations of the Holy Spirit except for Judas ("a devil"), and
Nathanial ("a true Israelite").
When I was in high school, our famous expression was "Ignorance is dangerous"
I was completely ignorant about my religion: The Roman Catholic Church religion.
5:58 and we get Zalmoxis!
He didn't waste any time getting Zalmoxis in there . LOL and it seems Zalmoxis didn't die in the myth, he built an underground home and didn't come out for a few years
@Theseustoo Astyages Herodotus in his Histories Book IV, 93-96
I enjoy learning from Dr. Carrier, but the audio on this, and some others, is annoyingly muffled. Too much so for me to continue to the end. Too bad.
Growing up I watched so many garbage Jesus Gospel movies in English and Spanish. I would love it if a young director and producer would create a movie depicting early Christianity, the Jewish War and the creation of the Gospel according to Mark which became likely the influence for the other three...that would be fantastic...
are they saying there are two different flavors of cheezwiz......
I’ve heard before Jewish belief they came from Israelite polyistic teachings that were adapted from Canaanite beliefs??
BBC documentary by Francesa Stavrakopoulu. It's good.
I know a lot of people named Jesus. Jesus Rodriguez, Jesus Hernandez, Jesus Garcia etc.
I am that I am
Great information, nothing has made me an atheist though.
6:25 - Turks in Anatolia in antiquity?
YES YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT AS YOU SEE,ONLY ONE MAD THE CUT!!!
The Savior or avatar is a concept which exist in all religions and cultures which are always intimately related ... In Eastern beliefs the Savior or avatar comes to enlighten humanity many many times already and will continue to do so in minor and major cycles ... Usually only to His own people ... Not for the whole world ... Just like many prophecies are only for the people and cultures they came from ... Bible ... Sutras ... Bhagavad-Gita ... Torah.... Koran .... The Hopi and Cree Amerindian prophecies....... Tei bei Tu and other little known Chinese prophecies .... Amen ... ??? lol
BUT are no more scientifically plausible
Why do you use Motley crew shout at the devil for this video. If you look at the music video for that they have demonic pentagrams lit on fire and it makes your intentions look bad. Very interesting choice for a song
Nice video. Just a mistake though: the Turks were not in the Asia Minor area back then. They came there several hundred years later around 1300 AD. So peoples there were Frygians, Lycians etc and later many Greeks (or Hellenized people).
when people pray to jesus and ask for a healing and they get it,where did it come from
You must first answer this check list before blaming jesus for the healing.
1/ Were they really sick?
2/ What did the doctors say?
3/ Are they now well?
4/ What do the doctors say?
5/ Does jesus exist?
6/ What makes you associate a 2000 year story with medical treatment?
7/ How?
8/ What makes you believe a 2000 year old story cured someone?
9/ How?
10/ Am I self deluded?
The faithful seem only to remember the prayers that were "answered". Never the overwhelming majority that are never "answered". Answered prayers are nothing more than coincidental occurrences that would have happened regardless of how many times you talk to yourself.
@@jazzhuman who knows,maybe we all are
@@bryanlafleur4529 you are right,90 % is probably never answered,maybe the book of thomas is correct
@@jazzhuman its been 2000years of haters , ask your self why??........ the meek shall inherit the earth!........this WISDOM is not for the proud!!
Ihello great topic I. Believe Jeshua walked over and over for a thousand years til the first redirection now we living in the second resurection
Does being brainwashed by a human sacrifice cult lower your IQ, or do only idiots believe absurd ancient fairy tales with no evidence whatsoever? "Bible-bangers aren't the brightest, study shows" www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10750898
There are more parallels between the myths about Jesus and The Buddha than Horus. My personal theory is the SPARTACUS rebellion and his eventual crucifixion (71 BCE) is what may have inspired the various messianic movements in Judea.
Hey Milwaulkee!!!!
What Carrier is actually doing is he is the modern prophet of the Protector of Thrace and Lord of the Universe Zalmoxis, who He will return to save us all Praise Holy Zalmoxis
I would love to know what your thoughts were on why you chose that particular song for your intro because it’s a super demonic video so if you don’t believe in this stuff it really looks like you do and you’re trying to mislead. If anything the song alone will make ppl think you’re under the influence of satan
Only the idiots
Are u the " BIG ENDERS " as described in the bible ???? Those with HUGE WANDS ???
Yes I know there is Jesus Son of Sirach
Son of a Bi-atch?
You can attack anyone that happened 2000 years ago if you apply this to any of the scholars we quote today. Most the Gospel were written with over 500 people who saw Jesus after he rose from the dead. Records were not as credited as they are today. Go try and look up your own past & find out. I can barely prove I exist. Don't mean they didn't live. The Bible speaks for it' self. This is a fairly new teaching by the way. Most non=believer just tried to prove what He did not do. Miracles/ Rose from the death & such.
What is your source for this information, and is it reliable? According to Dr. Bart Ehrman, one of the world's foremost biblical scholars: "The historical narratives of the Old Testament are filled with legendary fabrications and the book of Acts in the New Testament contains historically unreliable information about the life and teachings of Paul. Many of the books of the New Testament are pseudonymous-written not by the apostles but by later writers claiming to be apostles. The list goes on.”
― Bart D. Ehrman, Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible
www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/6279259-jesus-interrupted
Hail to King Apollonius of Tyana.
I am who I am
Jesus is the original Jesus Mr Carrier.
the feather and hell are parables and feather is a symbol.the Egyptian are aware of its meaning,they know hell doesn’t exist.
He says that Jesus figures were everywhere, then denies jesus was based on a real person. This seems a big contradiction.
The commonality of dying and rising comes from ASTROLOGY. Gods sonne, The Light Of The World. From the greatest STORY ever told. Shamash, the Hebrew word SUN, is the Babylonian SUN God.
I like Inanna. She's kinda cute, if she keeps her shoes on. (bird feet.)
It's a shame I can't share your videos with fanatical Christians because of your "shout to the devil" intro. It will scare them off before watching your videos. Your videos seem to get to the heart of facts, I believe they need to see these videos, but they'll never get past your intro. =(
Did Joan of Arc exist? For that matter. Was Joan of Arc from a village/town/city named Arc? No.
In 1429, Jehanne d'Arc (Joan of Arc) from the village of Domremy (Doe Ray Me) La Pucelle France, was most influential in the Dolphin, or Dauphin (Doe Fawn - "n" is silent), Charles VII, being crowned King of France. Joan may have been the first to sing the popular Rodgers & Hammerstein, Soung of Music, melody, but with her own lyrics:
Doe, a deer, a female deer [Charles VII, the "Doe Fawn/Doe Faw" - heir apparent to the throne]
Ray, the twin that cuts my hair [Joan's pages: Raymond & Louis]
Me, a maid, they call myself [Joan's "Voices". Saints: Michael, Margaret, Catherine]
Far, a long long way to run [an 11 days ride to Chinon, 500 leagues through enemy territory, to see Charles]
Sew, a needle pulling thread [to make Joan's banner]
La, a note to follow So [and precede Pucelle]
Tea, a drink with jam and bread [just bread at Rouen - during Joan's long heresy trial]
That will bring us back to....
Domremy Fa So La Pucelle Ti France
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What did Darth Gator say to the dolphin? " 'Fluke'. You are my fodder."
What did D'Arc Vader, Jacques D'Arc(Joan's dark father), say to the Dolphin (Dauphin), Charles VII?
" 'Fluke'. I am your father"
D'Arc Vader's pet name for his illegitimate son the Dolphin of France.
Was Joan the half sister of the Dolphin of France? Jacques D'Arc would have been about 22 years old at
Charles' birth on February 22, 1403. Charles VII died on the feast day of Mary Magdalene, July 22nd.
Was Joan of Arc the return of Mary Magdalene, just as John the Baptist was the return of EliJAH?
Was Joan of Arc an incarnation of the Holy Spirit? I believe she was.
[DID YOU KNOW??? That famous painter Vincent Van Gogh believed he was an incarnation of the Holy Spirit?
Van Gogh's brother was named Theo, and Theo supported Vincent]
Were Joan and Jacques D'Arc hereditary Templar Knights? Mary Magdalene is the Templar Patron Saint.
FYI... In the 1999 TV mini-series (released on DVD), Joan of Arc, in the opening scene, Joan's dark father (D'Arc Vader)
attempted to snuff out the life of his newborn daughter Joan (Jeanne, Jehanne). Jacques D'Arc wanted his wife
Isabelle to save his sons, instead of caring for the newborn Joan, as the village of Domremy was about to be attacked
by the Burgundians. Isabelle steps in and saves Joan's life. Years later, Isabelle has Joan's heresy verdict rescinded.
The other guy who is not Richard...I really get anoyed by the way he talks
Yeah there is many Jesus. One is on the next door. Well he is more like "hesuus" in know. But there are many jesus in the word. And one who lives off the Earth.
False equivalence is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone incorrectly asserts that two or more things are equivalent, simply because they share some characteristics, despite the fact that there are also notable differences between them.
Here is G.K. Chesterton pointing out way back in 1904 where Robert Blatchford made this same mistake...
The first of all the difficulties that I have in controverting Mr. Blatchford is simply this, that I shall be very largely going over his own ground. My favourite text-book of theology is [Blatchford’s] God and My Neighbour, but I cannot repeat it in detail. If I gave each of my reasons for being a Christian, a vast number of them would be Mr. Blatchford’s reasons for not being one.
For instance, Mr. Blatchford and his school point out that there are many myths parallel to the Christian story; that there were Pagan Christs, and Red Indian Incarnations, and Patagonian Crucifixions, for all I know or care. But does not Mr. Blatchford see the other side of the fact? If the Christian God really made the human race, would not the human race tend to rumours and perversions of the Christian God? If the centre of our life is a certain fact, would not people far from the centre have a muddled version of that fact? If we are so made that a Son of God must deliver us, is it odd that Patagonians should dream of a Son of God?
The Blatchfordian position really amounts to this-that because a certain thing has impressed millions of different people as likely or necessary, therefore it cannot be true. And then this bashful being, veiling his own talents, convicts the wretched G.K.C. of paradox. I like paradox, but I am not prepared to dance and dazzle to the extent of Nunquam, who points to humanity crying out for a thing, and pointing to it from immemorial ages, as proof that it cannot be there.
The story of a Christ is very common in legend and literature. So is the story of two lovers parted by Fate. So is the story of two friends killing each other for a woman. But will it seriously be maintained that, because these two stories are common as legends, therefore no two friends were ever separated by love or no two lovers by circumstances? It is tolerably plain, surely, that these two stories are common because the situation is an intensely probable and human one, because our nature is so built as to make them almost inevitable.
Why should it not be that our nature is so built as to make certain spiritual events inevitable? In any case, it is clearly ridiculous to attempt to disprove Christianity by the number and variety of Pagan Christs. You might as well take the number and variety of ideal schemes of society, from Plato’s Republic to Morris’ News from Nowhere, from More’s Utopia to Blatchford’s Merrie England, and then try to prove from them that mankind cannot ever reach a better social condition. If anything, of course, they prove the opposite; they suggest a human tendency toward a better condition.
Thus, in this first instance, when learned sceptics come to me and say, “Are you aware that the Kaffirs have a sort of Incarnation?” I should reply: “Speaking as an unlearned person, I don’t know. But speaking as a Christian, I should be very much astonished if they hadn’t.”
www.ecatholic2000.com/gk/blatchford/cont.shtml
It also doesn't help that Mr. Carrier plays very loose with the facts...
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Inspiringphilosophy already refuted some of his claims
I would love to see a similar break down of Luciferianism, Satanism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and many other RELIGIONS......JUST POINTING OUT THE MOST CURIOUS FASCINATION WITH ONE RELIGION TO ASCRIBE TO BE AGAINST.....TRUE ATHIESTS would also break down and dissect such sect religions as well... Thanks.
He seems to know very little about ancient Egyptian religion.
The "Supernatural" reference was a delightful surprise.
speaking of which, I'm currently rewatching season 12
You lost me at Motley Crue
The name "Jesus" was a common name at that time. Barabus was also called Jesus.
The idea of a savior isn't unique to Jesus Christ either. God said he sent many saviors.
Jesus is the Greek form of Yeshua which is Hebrew of which the English form is Joshua, a very popular Jewish name to this day. Very old testament.
@@rogercarroll2551 The name "Joshua" means "Savior" and the Word "Christ" means "Messiah". What are the odds that the guy's name means "Savior Messiah"? LOL! Sounds like the whole thing is a fairy tale.
Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." www.huffpost.com/entry/the-bible-telling-lies-to_b_840301
>live in Milwaukee
>dwell in the presence of the living god, Rich Evans
>be atheist
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Where's your evidence for the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies? Oh, ZERO, correct? While you ponder why you have no evidence to support your fairy tale claims, why don't you also ponder why we no longer *murder* accused witches: "Do not allow a sorceress to live" (Ex. 22:18). "A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them" (Lev. 20:27).
I've seen Rich Evans, he spoke to me. He comes to me at night. I let him have his way with me
It must be true then! (Facepalm)
You need to open your heart to Rich Evans and lot his grace speak to you
What's your favorite part of the bible? Is it the part where you can force a child into marriage by raping her? "If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered, then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days" (Deut. 28:28-29).
Interviewer struggled.
And you are not the only liar to stand behind a pulpit.
Neither is your pastor.
No Turks in Asia Minor until 11th century AD.
+Dee Bunker "I never said that William Lane Craig heard voices...it's even worse than that. Craig defends genocide-"
Still getting it wrong. Nothing he's defended depicts hunting people down and killing them all because of their race.
"on the basis of some anonymous author in a book"
Wrong again. Craig's defense of stories like the Canaanite story is a response to the argument, "If god commanded that, he's an immoral monster". He's not being tasked with proving that the story is true, just defending the character God in the story.
And in general, his arguments are not dependent on the bible being divinely inspired, 100% true and literal, etc.
+Vic 2.0, Regarding Craig's defense of genocide, you said, " Nothing he's defended depicts hunting people down and killing them all because of their race." The story in your book of evil ancient fairy tales says, "This is what the Lord Almighty says: I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys” (1 Sam. 15: 2-3). Whether you consider the Amalekites to be of a different race, or just a different nationality makes no difference--your fake holy book condones genocide in the name of God based on an anonymous author saying that a prophet CLAIMED to have heard a voice claiming to be God telling him to murder babies. Your defense of genocide is on this basis. So apparently, you'd murder your neighbor's wife, children and infants if your pastor said that Jesus told him to tell you to do it, right? Is that moral? This is what makes nutjobs like you so dangerous.
+Vic 2.0, If the bible isn't true, then why did Christians murder tens of thousands of accused witches for an imaginary crime? "Across Europe, 50,000 men and women were executed for witchcraft between 1500 and 1800." news.bbc.co.uk/local/cambridgeshire/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8998000/8998465.stm
Your fake holy book tells fanatics to murder witches---without giving any information on how to correctly identify one: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" (Ex. 22:18). "A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them" (Lev. 20:27).
+Vic 2.0, The whole point is that your fake holy book instructs fanatics to MURDER PEOPLE. If the book isn't true, then religious nuts are murdering innocent people based on ancient, absurd superstitions. While you ponder that, genius, don't go murdering your son for Jesus if he turns out to be gay: "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (Lev. 20:30). "FATHER KILLS 14-YEAR-OLD SON: 'HE WOULD RATHER HAVE A DEAD SON THAN A GAY SON'" www.newsweek.com/father-kills-14-year-old-son-he-would-rather-have-dead-son-gay-son-703282
Craig mistakes CLAIMS for FACTS. He thinks that because some nutjub is hearing voices telling him to murder babies, that means it must be true that GOD approves genocide: "So whom does God wrong in commanding the destruction of the Canaanites? Not the Canaanite adults, for they were corrupt and deserving of judgement. Not the children, for they inherit eternal life." www.alternet.org/story/150742/one_more_reason_religion_is_so_messed_up%3A_respected_theologian_defends_genocide_and_infanticide
In real life, if some guy told you he heard a voice from the sky telling him to murder his neighbor's wife, children and infants, you'd view him as a dangerous crackpot or mentally ill psycho. But not William Lane Craig! "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). Sure, if some guy CLAIMS that a voice claiming to be God said that Craig should murder his neighbor's whole family, Craig is really to go out there an murder them all! Isn't Christianity a great source of family values? Well, except for the Holocaust, and witch killings, and the Inquisition, and murdering babies in the name of God, etc.
+Dee Bunker You say so much that's completely irrelevant to any argument I or William Lane Craig has made. Again, no one is arguing for biblical inerrancy/literalism, and no one is saying that we should believe people when they say "God wants you to kill this person". Craig's defense of biblical stories is a response to the question "If god commanded this, isn't he a moral monster?" The very question grants the reality of the story for the sake of argument.
Of course Christianity was inspired by age old archetypes, but archetypes are psychological elements of the psyche much like explored by Carl Gustav Jung. We can also find apparition of archetypes in the hallucination of LSD users. Yet there was a messianic figure known as Jesus the Nazareen. Who was he really? We do not know. What was his exact teachings? We have an idea in the comparison of the 4 gospels. But we have to be careful before saying Christianity was all borrowed from other older religions. I quote Tim O'Neill, an atheist who has studied the scholarship on the historical Jesus, his Jewish socio-religious context and ... "Anyone researching this subject should beware of some of the wild and unscholarly online claims about "Messiahs who parallel Jesus" based on supposed similarities between the gospel stories and stories about various ancient gods and demigods like Dionysius and Mithras. Firstly, "Messiah" has a specific meaning unique (even in its Christian forms) to the Jewish tradition. We can't just consider any old god-man or demi-god as a "Messiah" because we choose to. Secondly, most of these so-called parallels are highly contrived, based on dubious interpretations or (in the case of most of the notorious ones claimed about Mithras) totally invented and without any evidential foundation at all. These "parallels" are beloved by kooky New Agers and by atheists who really should know better (yes, I'm looking at you QI and you as well Bill Maher), but they are pseudo historical nonsense." www.quora.com/Were-there-other-Messiah-stories-similar-to-Jesus-near-the-time-of-his-death-1
Isa:25:9: And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.
Isa:62:2: And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
Why doesn't prayer work like Jesus promised? "Truly I tell you, Jesus replied, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only will you do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ it will happen. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask in prayer." (Matt. 21:21-22). Go ahead and post your RUclips video of you casting a mountain or tree into the ocean with your magic prayer powers!
Oh...it doesn't work? Perhaps you should "Cry aloud, for he is a god. Either he is musing, or he is relieving himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened" (1 Kings 18:27 ESV) www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Kings+18%3A27&version=ESV
When your prophet ridicules other fake gods for not answering prayer, that's funny, right? But when your fake god doesn't answer prayer and I mock you, then it isn't funny? It is to me! LOL!
"This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3)
What would the cops say if I went out and hacked some children and infants to death with a sword because some ancient book said that a prophet said that God wanted me to? Wouldn't they arrest me for murder? Wouldn't they call me a violent sociopath or nutcase? So why is it okay when members of your team do the same thing? "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3)
If your holy book isn't really from God...then some liar caused fanatics to murder innocent children and infants for nothing, correct?
Wow, what kind of psycho tells gullible fanatics that they can *drink deadly poison* without harm? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What could go wrong?
"A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service"
www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
It's not like believing in a fake holy book hurts anyone. "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Well, except gullible believers: "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service"
www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
Do you mean that the man I saw last Tuesday on a downtown street claiming to be Jesus, was actually "a Jesus"? Amazing, I think I might become religious now.. its a sign from that other Jesuses I saw over the years that its time for me to make the "leap of faith" into religionism, hmmmmmm... Well, for now, I'd rather wait for anther Jesus to show up, maybe then I will "believe" in alla the great... I think I need to see a few more whackos before I make such a leap
16 jesus through recorded history.
The regular religions had mysteries in their mythology and secret ceremonies before the so-called mystery cults were identified. I don't read Carrier because he has missed the massive Roman input, and subscribed falsely to fictional characters like Paul, John, and, Pilate. That's not to mention Carrier's misinterpretation of the pseudonymous authors who validated his falsely-historicized characters. He has succeeded in keeping the Bible dumbed down. He's too ignorant to even connect Joshua with Yashar, an obvious pun on the "upright"=Yahweh. Josephus is not just a Jew, if he is a Jew. He is Jupiter also. He is captured at Iotta Potta, the town, Yadfat, twisted into a parallel name to Jupiter. He also misses Jephta & Japheth, and, several other Jupiters. Milwaukee Atheists wouldn't know how to find any of this. They just point to the same "authorities", much as Christians would, and place faith in what they say. Mythvision is even worse.
So how do we find your channel to set the record straight?
Only one but the same Jesus that's why he said don't believe no one else all of the men of old walked a thousand years not lived a thousand years
"According to researchers, Christians - particularly fundamentalists who believe the Bible is God's word - have a lower IQ than those who are less religious." www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10750898