Chichester Humanists April 2023 Jesus Never Existed talk by Ken Humphreys
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Ken Humphreys spent 20 years investigating the historicity of Jesus and concluded that Jesus never existed,
He has authored several best selling books, has a popular website, and has made many RUclips videos to explain his findings.
www.jesusneverexisted.com/
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In this video, Ken chats about his life and responds to questions and comments from the audience.
Apologies for the occasional poor audio in the Zoom recording.
You have not wasted your life Mr. Humphreys. You've done mankind a service.
he wasted his time on this lot
I think so, too. Well said.
When he stands before God, he will realise that he has totally wasted his time.
Glad to see JNE's Ken Humprey's still alive and living. I only wish he'd make more RUclips content. I loved what he did in the past. It really shaped my life and changed my views.
BLIND FAITH is what the sleeping sheeple are suffering from.
Takes humble eyes to see Jesus, friend.
It was one of Kens videos i watched about 10 years ago that made me sit up and really take notice of something i did not believe in anyway, since i decided that gods, and jesus were highly suspect 50 years ago..
Turning me from a passive non-believer, to a militant Atheist.
Which is probally why your channel has just flagged up on RUclips
Thank you Kenneth ❤
Now back to listening to the vid.
Love Ken! ❤
THANKS Ken Humphreys FOR ALL YOUR WORK I WILL CARRY PROMISE ALSO TO CARRY TORCH OF TRUTH YOU HAVE HELPED TO EXPOSE HERE - and blow the whisle on the BIG LIE WHICH IS CHRISTIANITY AND ESPECIALLY JESUS
none of these people give us one shred of evidence for jesus...just used the bible
i actually think jesus existing is pretty low...possible but unlikely
That's bloody brilliant.
God is like the root of negative one.
It doesn't exist, but you can use it to get stuff done.
Good to see Ken, not around enough these days. His work set the many up who followed his logic.
As for Jesus, the son of God/God himself as the father and son….and tradesman, please.
Apparently cared more for the handful of contemporary souls to never have bothered to write a single word for the exponential masses to come….fixing chairs apparently more important?
Black Jesus from Zimbabwe 😂
So true. Ken is on point and knows so much more than these other people
All you need is love. Book of Ringo.
An Excellent video discussion.
The panel are all very clever and
Ken is always brilliant
Carpenter was a mistranslation of the word 'TECTON' Stone Mason. Free Mason.
Thanks. But whether he was a stone mason or carpenter he was pretty lousy at it since none of it was durable to last. You’d think someone who is supposedly ‘perfect’ would be able to make stuff that lasts. But maybe it did last, but I haven’t seen any Jesus furniture or stone Jesus figurines at flea markets or garage sales.
Wonder what Ken thinks of NDEs. Especially those collected by Greyson.
summer ken 👍
Flavius Joseph was the Apostle Paul.
Paul was a puppet
No images in stone or coins for so many years, make it look like Jesus was a creative writing exercise.
SERAPIS CHRISTOS or Jesus in history 325bce.
How will the Chichester Humanists going to stop the Islamization of western Europe?
in 100 years christianity which is dying will be almost dead but sadly can only see Islam growing
Take out Elohim/Yahweh first. That entity is so easily deconstructed as the mythical creation of the ancient Hebrews. Then Jesus is merely the peddler of a bankrupt concept. Then that would make Muhammad, very far from being the final prophet, a twice deceived simpleton, deceived by a false Allah and a false Issa. The edifice falls quickest when the foundations are exploded. Don't just focus on Jesus. The "how" is completely destroying the idea of a god of Abraham immediately.
I prefer the right wing Jesus: my seed happened to fall on good ground, and all the seeds that landed on the rocks and in the weeds, well, screw them, too bad.
Yeah, that right wing Jesus believed in slavery and the beating of slaves to the edge of death. He was following ‘gods’ 613 laws many of which told how to treat, beat, sell and buy slaves. Jesus said “Slaves obey your masters, even the cruel ones”. That makes Jesus immoral. If he had a shred of morality he would’ve told slaves to escape their masters and to take as many other slaves with you to freedom.
Rightwingers support slavery. They used the Bible to justify slavery and the beating of slaves. White christians enslaved 12.5 million blacks and then forced them to work, raped them and killed them without punishment. Today’s deluded republicans say slavery was a job training program. They believe they did slaves a favor by teaching them skills. One of the other horrendous things they did to blacks was indoctrinate them from birth into their sick cult. I find it shocking how many blacks are deeply religious given their past abuses at the hands of white christians.
White christians also demonized native Americans calling them savages to justify murdering them and stealing their land.
The Bible is the most immoral book ever written.
Jesus was nothing but Yeshuah the house painter 😂😂
This is the truth fire burns,
Jesus is watching you maybe that's why children believe 😮
Christians are truly crazy. I know most people are, but this faith garbage is really something else. This theist clown points out that the square root of -1 has no meaning, but mathematicians take it on faith that it is real because it solves many real world equations. I know most people reading this are stupid beyond belief, and have no idea what the implications of the sq. root of -1 really are, but what gets me is this theist clown says this as if he is a man of keen insight and wisdom. Implying, if mathematicians can take something on faith then why can't I? But he never points out what it is about his version of god that solves real life equations, like the sq. root of-1 does. If he could do that, then there would be validity to his interpretation. But he doesn't, because he can't. Another pretentious lowlife pretending to be important. America is filled with them.
Mark is 100 percent correct. I'm not religious, but I still studied Christianity, and I've read theologians. Most atheists do a disserve and turn religion into a Mickey Mouse, straw-man version. One theologian, in particular, that I used to really like is Paul Tillich. I've read almost all of his books, including one of his systematic theology books. He defines God as ultimate reality or ultimate concern or the ground of all being. I've also read a book called Sermons for Intellectuals. Many liberal theologians, including Catholic ones, read The Bible the way any other book is read. They know it isn't historically accurate. In Divinity school future ministers study the history of The Bible. They know about the synoptic gospels. They see all the repetitions and disconnections in The Old Testament as different versions of stories patched together, for example, Genesis. Tillich, in particular, warns against trying to link religion to history or science. Most theologians look at The Bible symbolically not literally. In the Sermons for Intellectuals there was a sermon that looked at eschatology (final ends) symbolically, not as a literal second coming, but the power to experience a re-birth at any point in life when we despair. Paul Tillich has a lovely sermon that speaks of spirit in the same way. It is called "Spiritual Presence." It is a lovely sermon to read whether atheist or believer. The same is true of the poetry of George Herbert, one of the greatest lyricists in the English language. One does not have to be religious to appreciate his poem "The Flower," which is about renewal, or many of the other poems in The Temple. On the other hand, many people do not have a developed capacity for abstract thought, and they do believe literally. Also, liberal theologians point out that it is difficult to imagine or commune with a wholly other or ground of all being. It is natural to anthropomorphize God. Ministers don't enlighten congregations, I think, because they know they will be met with hostility and misunderstanding. The one thing I don't think anyone outwardly challenges, although I have not read theologians for a long time now, is the resurrection. I think one still has to subscribe to that literally to call oneself a Christian, which, of course, is a big problem. Theologians hint at that as symbolic too. But the Apostle's Creed says I believe in the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sin, the resurrection of the body, and life-everlasting. Amen. Everyone recites that in church without thinking of its implications.
I enjoyed this discussion. I was just a relatively young child when I read The Quest for the Historical Jesus by Albert Schweitzer. If I remember correctly, he concluded even then that there was no real evidence, but, like Tillich, he was still an apologist for Christianity. Most of my students are not religious. No one knows anything from The Bible anymore. But then no one knows any literature anymore (western or multicultural). College has become largely vocational. I do think this has implications for culture which already encourages mass consumption as the primary goal of life and blunts emotions to greed, envy, jealousy and fear as John Taylor Gatto noted. I find any sort of willful ignorance problematic. For example, I wonder how anyone unfamiliar with Christianity reads and understands the bulk of Western Literature as there are so many Biblical allusions in it. It must be a terribly reduced experience, less rich than that of a reader who knows and understands these. Even in the movie made out of Cormac McCarthy's play The Sunset Limited, I was rewarded for studying religious history. At one point in the play the character who has lost all faith says, "Ich kann nicht anders." I immediately thought, "I've heard that before. Where did I hear that?" Then I realized he was ironically quoting Martin Luther's famous words.
By the way, I am American. Don't stereotype and disparage a country you haven't lived in your whole life. In America we have separation of church and state and religious freedom. While that does sometimes cause problems when people use religion to promote their own bigotry, it can also promote respect for the beliefs of others whether one is Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, atheist, agnostic, etc. Also, I don't find my study of religion "a waste of time." A religious person can learn from books written by atheists. An atheist can learn from books written by believers. I'm upset when either believer/non-believer rules literature out based on their beliefs. How closed-minded and limiting of experience that is. Nietzsche is one of my favorite philosophers, and I always read students his Madman's "Death of God Speech" to help explain the loss of religious faith that started in Victorian England, and in other classes, where relevant, I talk about his idea of Christian slave morality. Also, I agree with what Toby said about man creating God, but it bothers me that Toby can't recognize what he says as a belief. He labels it as fact. There is precious little we know that is fact, tautologies in logic, for example. The rest, even scientific theories, are tentative beliefs we hold until evidence to the contrary comes along. (And it takes a long time and much struggle for the scientific community to give up their misconceptions and move to a new theory/paradigm.) In terms of metaphysical beliefs, they can't be proven or disproven. That's why they are labeled metaphysics and not physics, although, ironically, there are many metaphysical assumptions underlying physics (which physicists often don't recognize as assumptions or beliefs).
As I am most familiar with literature, I forgot to mention the influence of religion on music and art. In the past religion has been so influential in art, literature, music, every human creation. How can one be a humanist celebrating human creativity yet deprecate religion which played a large role in or focus of that creativity? One doesn't have to believe, but to deprecate it seems to conflict with humanist values. I hadn't planned on writing this. I was merely looking for a video that didn't tell me all historians believe Jesus existed. But the video raised these issues for me.
Also found this to update my knowledge:
What Does the Jesus Seminar Believe?
The Jesus Seminar meets twice a year to dissect biblical passages. Their goal: separate historical fact from mythology. So far, they have rejected as myth the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, the virgin birth, all Gospel miracles, and a full 82% of the teachings normally attributed to Jesus-all dismissed as legendary accretions with no historical foundation. For example, only two words of the Lord’s Prayer survive as authentic: “Our Father.”
An article in the L.A. Times entitled, “Scholars Cite Lack of Resurrection Evidence,” also carried this subtitle: “Controversial Jesus Seminar evaluates New Testament, but members affirm that event’s religious significance does not hinge on the historical record.”
According to this piece, there are two things the Jesus Seminar has to say about the resurrection of Jesus. First, it never happened. There’s no historical evidence for it. Second, it doesn’t matter. Christians can still celebrate Easter with its symbolic message of hope and new life.
And this:
An Irish-American scholar and former priest, John Dominic Crossan earned his Doctor of Divinity in 1959 at St Patrick's College, Maynooth, the Irish national seminary. A scholar of the New Testament and historian of early Christianity, Crossan's work as a researcher and co-chair of the Jesus Seminar elicited controversy in the 1980s and 1990s, but has since proven highly influential. Crossan has long argued for a non-eschatological view of Jesus, portraying Jesus as a healer and wise man who taught a message of inclusiveness, tolerance, and liberation, and asserting that Jesus's divinity was strictly metaphorical. Since his retirement from DePaul University in 1995, Crossan has continued to write and publish, including his most recent works, The Power of Parable: How Fiction by Jesus Became Fiction About Jesus (2012)
These are still outliers, but it shows me that more theologians are looking at the resurrection as metaphor as well.
you havent mentioned the great harm religion has done...tell the millions of jews who died in the holocaust religion brought us great music and art
I think the reality is that most atheist don't like being told what to think,learn or any other endeavor in life,base on a very quiet supernatural deity.
@@jeffreywilliams9299 not to act like sheep being governed by an old book which if you acted on their "rules" you would be locked up by teatime
To those who responded: “I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”