Seth Andrews, host of The Thinking Atheist, on the un-Christian behaviour of many Christians
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Seth Andrews (@SethAndrewsTTA) is the host of The Thinking Atheist, a very popular podcast and online resource for nonbelievers. Seth talks about his life as an evangelical Christian and what led him to leave his faith. He and Leslie talk about how many Christians embrace seemingly un-Christian beliefs and policies, and what Humanists need to do to make the world a better place.
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Great interview!
“All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher.” ― Titus Lucretius Carus
If you read his work you will see, that he was wrong on many things 😅
@@TheVelvetTV_Riesenglied Ahh come on nobody's perfect. Right?
@@TheVelvetTV_Riesenglied Ergo...wrong on all things. Do I have that right?
@@TheVelvetTV_RiesengliedPerhaps, but he nailed it on the religion thing!
@@TheVelvetTV_Riesengliedjust like the Bible.
God didn’t create man in his image, man created God, in our image.
Precisely!
OOPS! 👍🏻
“God created humankind in his image.” When I look in the mirror, I see an ape.
Note: I do not say, “I see nothing but an ape.”
I am proud to be an ape.
Love Seth. He's gentle, thoughtful but also willing to push back when he needs to. Great interview, thanks!
Seth is the model that I admire in anybody.. there's a saying in AA.. "Look for the similarities, not the differences".
Just wanted to say thanks to Seth. You were one of the person's who helped me throughout my Christian brainwashing. I bad a similar history of losing my friends and family members, which some of my family members have reached out over the years, and we've reconnected. Seth you were that beacon of light and reason needed to get me through this...thanks man.
"Asking good questions" is anathema to the blind acceptance and BELIEF. Religious fanatics and charlatans prey on the vulnerable and naive. It is a monumental, blatant irony that the predatory aspect of so much religious proselytizing goes unacknowledged.
Seth is absolutely a amazing guy. He has a great gift to verbally say it how it is. I love all his material
Just keep in mind that Seth could sell ice to the Eskimos. Know what I'm saying?
@@bobmilner4762Never once detected any BS in anything he says SMH I'm BS detector. Not only that I've never gotten the impression he's selling anything to anyone.🤷🏽♀️ Could he been influencing? Yes, by the way he expressed himself. He's easy to listen to. He's got a great voice. So what?
Best I can afford is a thumbs up on RUclips and a comment. This was uplifting to an old man who understands Seth's fatigue. I have been housebound for the last seven months for health reasons and online or asleep for that period. The signs I see are not good but like you both said, the young educated give me hope. I started questions at the age of eight and quickly learned that organized religion is a tool that is totally authoritarian and was indefensible. That led me to doubt religion as a whole. After 62 more years of questions, I am mostly atheist but recognize that the story of Christ is not a bad lesson and a decent foundation for morality, yet organized religions of all sorts have used and abused that message for evil nearly two thousand years. Much of that seems to be the doing of his disciples who built "his church" on the merger of the old testament and the new testament. My moment that I work from now is that Christ if real was the Second Covenant with man as I was taught, but also that means the new testament is a total replacement of the old testament and all of that must be thrown out to be a real Christian. So some days I am atheist and other days I am Christian but with a new meaning. Yet I still struggle with the whole concept of religion and an afterlife. And I am rock solid that organized religion has been used to enslave the people in an Authoritarian trap and is responsible for the vast majority of evil in this world. From the beginning of man up to the murder of a six year old boy and the stabbing of his mother just this past weekend. The quest continues.
You are on the right track in saying that the OT should be discarded from the Christian canon, and so should some parts of the NT which tried to soften the break with the old. Keep going. Careful reading of the Gospels will reveal the real Jesus and his messages. Forget the dogmas.
Science: gather evidence, then come to a conclusion. Start with “I don’t know,” then “Let’s find out.” Anti-science (religion): Start with the conclusion, then try to find evidence to support it. Start with “I know,” then “Let’s justify it.”
Dont forget that sciance can also be arrogant. Finding one solution that seems to fit, and it looks great, and THEN it is treated as truth, and verything after has to fit that model.
Real science questions everything. Try questioning the ball earth:)
Science can't be arrogant, humans who happen to be scientists can. Big difference.
@@Goldenhawk583 Feel free to question it, but you will not find evidence against it.
@@tulpas93 True. but when you listen to these humans.. you could swear it was the science :;)
@@XraynPR Against what? Religion? If you stip questioning in science, you are bound to make mistakes and fail to correct them.
If you question religions like the abrahamic ones, you are doomed to hell forever.. not really free to question:P
I agree that travel opens your eyes to the reality of humanity. Being able to embrace the cultures, traditions, and structures of other people throughout the world will completely alter your perspective on life and it’s values.
I'm so glad that Seth brought Twitter up. It's something I have been thinking about. I'm leading towards the idea that that harsh person I can easily be online can start being more prevalent IRL.
And I'm not that. *
I feel hopeful when I hear conversations like this between people I didn't know exist but am now very glad that they do.
"People won't care what you believe unless they believe that you care" - what a gem!
Seth be a wonderful communicator
Very impressed with the way Seth articulâtes his ideas. His mind is sharp in the way he analyzes why religious thinking is seductive to some people.
Brilliant interview.
It isn't faith or belief. It is programming and fear.
The contrasting backgrounds between Seth and the host are amazing.
A perfect pairing for CFIC & Mr. Rosenblood. SA's customary
approach is surely better in the long term if you've got the "strength
to carry-on". But it all gets acutely wearisome in fits and starts.
I very much appreciate the civility and conversational roominess.
I admire this man so much!
Even though I also agree that The Socratic Method and Street Epistemology is the best way to change minds ridicule and mockery do work in many ways.
There are a spectrum of people and a spectrum of beliefs and personalities. Each person has a way that works best to help them change their minds. There is a place for mockery, ridicule, and there is a place for kindness and handholding. I tend to go for the hand holding, caring, empathetic approach, but I also see that mockery and such helps too.
Thank you, gentlemen, for this great podcast. 👍
Seth is an amazing guy, and it's always a pleasure listening to him.
Thank you for the episode!
😊 Thank you enjoyed this very much.
Such a good interview. Thank you.
What a thoughtful discussion, thanks for posting this.
Great interview! 💯✊🏼
"You will not attack people into better ideas" - that is SUCH a good point.
While this has basis in fact, it's also true that onlookers, those that hear the arguments but aren't being directly confronted, do occasionally have a change of heart, or at very least can begin questioning. So both approaches can be very effective! 😊
Nicely done. Good move having Seth on. The guy is insightful, bright and likeable. Calm and cool. Every time I listen to him I come away feeling I could definitely learn something from this guy
The most extreme religious elements were kicked out of Europe, everyone had had enough of their bs, that’s why they went to America. America religiously is a pretty extreme place compared to Europe for sure. Listening to you guys talking about Christianity, as someone who was raised a Christian (but let it go in my early teens) doesn’t vibe at all with my experience of what Christianity is.
What most people really lack is a good knowledge of history imo.
Anyway, thanks for the interesting conversation
I often get the impression that the US is to christianity more or less what Israel is to Judaism and Saudi Arabia to Islam (except for the historical relics, unless you're Mormon perhaps). These are the countries where these religion are really taken seriously.
@@landsgevaerI think a lot of that is due to Manifest Destiny. I think a lot of people in America never lost that mindset.
Everyone is born atheist.
Religion has to be taught.
Atheism doesn't have to be taught.
Much like the fascism, authoritarianism, and dictatorships Europe experienced most manifested in Adolf Hitler's reign; Europe experienced the Dark Ages and thus experienced how society is held back by organized religion, how it's used as a tool to press the masses, especially.when coupled with politics, etc, which is why countries like Germany are so against these things. Much like Japan where the practices of organized religion are practiced more as part of their culture than having any faith; most Europeans have done the same with their religion. One has to wonder what it will take for the Americas to likewise see how organized religion can be a threat to society, and how letting go of the literalism can enable organized religion to let go of their baggage, and still be something that brings a segment of society together.
I do have to disagree with Seth about Religion not being a form of mental illness; as conspiracy theorists and religious extremists have shown belief and faith can result in the same degree of anxiety, fear, and even depression seen in mental illness, and like mental illness, the fear and conspiracy that all to often underpins organized faith can in of themselves cause anxiety and depression so severe as to cause auditory and visual hallucinations.
I come at this from the medical side due to having a sibling who developed ALS and dementia along with it, which caused an anxiety disorder that caused auditory hallucinations. His therapist explained to me how anxiety and depression can cause hallucinations. This is the scary thing about organized religion as it's anonymity of being part of a collective (God told me to die it), the belief one is among the chosen, etc, can like social media encourage sociopathy and or narcissistic behavior in those susceptible to developing it, and the fear driven aspect of organized religion can induce paranoia, depression, and anxiety, all forms of mental illness, just like belief in conspiracy theories can do the same.
I began asking the questions as a child of 6-7, was labelled a troublemaker and Mama was told I was 'disruptive to class'.
I think that's the most important reason why they call it indoctrination and why it's so important to have separation of church and state. Tax the churches everybody else has to pay their tax why don't they.
"We have to live in a world with other people..."
"Well... There is your problem."
You nailed it Seth when you said you finally Allowed yourself to ask those questions!
Excellent content. Gave me a lot to think about with my own comments and verbiage.
Anyone remember how it was before they were born? That's how it will be after your dead.
The original Christians accepted slavery and misogyny and damnation of those who didn’t accept their exact theology, so unchristian is sounding good 😂
This is a weak argument. We are talking about a world from 2000 years ago. Back then, it was not unknown for a ruler of a country to cut a baby out of a woman's womb and eat it alive. I know Caligula was crazy, but at least today, the craziness in rulers is not as obvious. In the haste to destroy the inhuman in us, let's not lose touch with reality.
@@Matthew.Morycinski The Christians were enslaving people less than 200 yrs ago and still fight against equal rights to this day. There is still a lot of misogyny in Christianity today. They still accept the damnation of those who don't accept their exact theology.
Nothing has changed then, for the majority of North American Christians.
@Matthew.Morycinski Please edit your post. The first period really should be a colon.
@@Matthew.Morycinski But the Christians claim their morality has not changed in 2,000 years. Paul and the others supposedly got it right.
It is only the theists, as far as I know, who are proud to say they learn nothing about morality over time, since they already know it all.
Good Job!
I love you, Seth. Thank you so much. You are always wonderful.
I am with you seth. As someone with a missionary baptist family, i have the same questuons about their support of trump. Its weirdly crazy.
Seth, for myself, brings new thoughts to my little mind that i really welcome. And, 'tap on t glass', is such a grt visual for how we all should move through our ridiculously short lives.
I was born into a Methodist household and grew into Christianity visiting other denominations and reading the KG version of the Bible. I became more and more conflicted by the apparent differences in the religion and the back sliding and mis-deeds of the clergy. After being born again (baptized) I started reading and comparing different versions of the Bible including the Negro Bible and the Book of Mormon. I then studied the historical Bible and the contextual history of the times including the cultural influences. That did it for me. I still believe in a God but not the Bible. It's a fabrication of man- nothing else.
So, what is a god? Whats it made of? Where is it? How much mass does it have? What is the test, i can do to tell this real god from one I made up. What is one thing I can tell for sure about this god that is real? Just one verifiable property of this real god.
@@larryscarr3897 I believe you know the answer to your own question. But I’ll take a stab at it. Historically, it can be anything, humans, animals, sky, water, whatever someone wants it to be. You get to choose. And the good news is, nobody gets struck by lightning for choosing wrong.
@@lawrencecarlson2425 we already have names for all that stuff, why put magical woo on it?..
And you did not answer any part of my question you listed a bunch of unrelated stuff that verifiably is in reality, but has no relevance to my questions. Now think about how you can't answer the simplest questions about a thing you believe.
@@larryscarr3897 My studies answer the questions important to me. You find your own way. History answers all the questions. The modern Bible will not.
@@lawrencecarlson2425 thats not how true stuff works, true stuff is verifiable by you or me.
How would you study a thing, you can't even provide the most basic information about? Kind of looks like the same old nonsensical magic mythology based on feelings And superstitious misunderstanding of reality. Don't get mad though, you did better then the catholic priest i questioned yesterday.
Seth, thank you for saying what I have been thinking - that the mental process of believing in religion is what makes MAGAs susceptible to MAGAism.
You don't have to be a liberal to not be a Christian...People like you are why we are not going to have a United States much longer...
There's really just one question, one answer. Is Religion (s) logical? Answer, absolutely not.
"Life is so much larger than it is long." - my boss' aunt.
Ty. Agents of Chaos. My name of a 90s cover band....
Thenk you CFI for all you do! Seth Andrews is the fucking man! I loved what he said about his Humanism. Me too, bro. I dont need a not-so-hidden agenda to help another fellow human being.
Seth 👍
They seem to learn about Christianity as a child but then don't grow beyond childish understanding
That's quite a statement from someone who knows nothing about Christ or His people
@@jwsanders1214 Unlike you (probably) I studied Church history for my degree and the more I studied it the less inclined I was to believe in anything other than mans need to believe in things bigger than himself and to try and make sense of the world with the means at hand (ie pre science). I get it if you can't deal with reality tho. It sucks. So be kind to one another and for the love of Whatever STOP HATING (please)
as I said @@richardh8082 that is quite a statement for someone who doesn't know Christ or His people . Saul of Tarsus was much the same as you before He encountered the Living God , Jesus Christ . Have you ever heard of Tisha B' Av ?
@@jwsanders1214 You ignorant sods just pick and choose your 'fvourite' bible quotes to regurgitate when you want ammo to throw at something you don't like or understand. I studied the New Testament with scholars and learned ancient Greek to mine the wisdom and philosophy of a great man (that's Jesus in case you don't recognise his loving and forgiving description). Anyway, thanks for the laughs me and my colleagues have had reading your replies. Keep it up please
I think of it like santa claus, act bad and santa won't come visit you. Act like a bad person and God will pass you by. Then adulthood sets in.
I see very few quote "Christians" conduct themselves with qualities like: Love, Compassion, Understanding and Forgiveness. I see pretty much none of these behaviours being exemplified and especially by republican politicians. They are probably the worst at demonstrating these "Christians" behaviours! They are the standard for being hypocrites!
Be Better Than Your Beliefs
Whenever someone asks me, “if we are descended from apes, why are there still apes?” I ask them, “If dogs are descended from wolves, why are there still wolves?” Sometimes it makes them think (Sometimes!). Also, if colonists came from Europe, why is there still Europe? If Christians came from Jews, why are there still Jews? If Mormons came from Christians, why are there still Christians? Makes a lot of sense, eh?
No, that's a different order of inquiry.
@@thomaserickson568 how is it any different?
@@Goldenhawk583 how is what any different?
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
Jeez, and I felt fortunate to escape from boilerplate catholicism!
I love Seth! He is truly one of the good guys in the world. He does look like he could be David McRaneys' twin brother though.
If I thought I was a God, I would be a *theist* BY DEFINITION.
Rebellious Spirit.
I have lost many family members and friends because of being an atheist. While I do miss them and would certainly welcome them back into my life, I know that won't happen. I think they are kind of afraid if they love and accept me as I am, it will cause God to think of them in a lesser way, or maybe abandon them all together. I don't know if that is it, but maybe.
Where there is sorrow there is holy ground- Oscar Wilde
If you ask the question, which came first, the chicken or the egg, the Christians would answer with, 'the bible'
When you let go of faith; you trade the untangable, unknowable, etc, world of faith and belief that has been proven to not be a reliable means for determining that which is true from that which is false, for a universe that is tangable, knowable, using logic and reason the only proven system for determining that which is true from that which is false. While faith convinces us to believe some higher power will solve the issues facing humanity and the world; while abandoning faith and belief actually enables humanity to address auch crisis and actually work towards solving them.
Sudarium of Oviedo, Shroud of Turin, WAXS
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I'm a "truck Fumper" as much as anyone, but, it's a mind-expansion to ask, "what has he done that you agree with?" Pardoning those Black guys who were targeted in the drug war, holding Ford's feet to the fire about moving to Mexico, and hiring firly good economists to advise him. Would I vote for him? Never! But, it puts politics into perspective.
I think I see where you're coming from. Hitler probably loved his wife. I heard Stalin had a firm handshake. Everyone has a few redeeming qualities!
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PTSD by child abuse for a living 😢
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From a fellow Ape to another.
Keep doing what you do.
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Wild eh?
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Godspeed of the Lawnmower of Death
Thx gods 🙏 😮 9:36
So sad guy's.
Take Care
Stay Safe and Stay Free 🌐
No god's seen or heard from my foxhole 11:24 😂
Silly
The Wizard of Silly from Calgary Untruedaux Land
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Peace and love etc x 12:38 😂
I can see Andromida as I type
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Reason.
14:50 good grief 😮
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We all die.
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40yrs of PTSD is a nightmare
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We all have PTSD with after covid
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Why do church's need money 💰 21:57
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Flock of sheep 🐑
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Madness at play 23:57
"Religion Poisons Ev ry thing "
Hitchens
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Seth Start THINKING. 😮😢
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What do you get when you cross Christianity with Hypocrisy ?? Answer! ...................................................................... Evangelism
The universe will get its commupence for my suffering!! Insanity!
Like: Christianity is a conspiracy theory.
"Who are you to question God?"
Erm, someone who knows where the sun goes at night, unlike your supposed God. And knows about microbes and evolution and all the things that a God SHOULD have known about about the laws of nature but never bothered to mention. Like how you should wash your hands, it will quite literally extend your life by years, or how owning other people is wrong, stuff like that...
The reason why I'm an antinatalist is because I don't want to force another life form into the type of existence that they might not want to exist in. And because I don't want to gamble and just hope that there isn't a bad afterlife that they might not go to. To have children is a gamble, it's to play russian roulette with another life form no matter if they want you to play russian roulette with them or not and that's why I refuse to.
So why are you still here? If it’s all so awful and you could be harmed..,why not cut the loss early?
@@trishayamada807 because of fear. I want to end myself but I'm too afraid to do it. It really sucks to not want to live but be afraid to die.
@@trishayamada807 are you afraid to die?
You don't have to answer, I just wonder if there is specific reasons to how you feel? And if anything could be changed to brighten your experience of life? I agree that life is unfair and we don't have any say in which circumstances we are born into. Some have great advantages, others struggle just to survive. My intention is not to undermine your reasons at all, just wanted to say I'm here if you want to talk. Either way I wish good things for you in the future❤
@@AnonymousWon-uu5yn nope. Not afraid to die. Been close many times and had one near death experience.
As what I believe to be... a logically thinking being... I've been an atheist since I was 12 years old. Easy reasoning, the bible jesus god.. etcc... all equal zero logic.
My gayness never got prayed away I had to spend a celibate life Still Jesus is Real as a child I had an out of body experience with Him which I can Never Deny !
When we have spiritual experiences, our brain tends to present those in a way that makes sense to us. So, you saw a jesus, because nothing else would have clicked with you, and a lot of other things might have been seen as something bad ( it wasnt bad).
When you only have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. I am not dismissing your experience, I am suggesting you may need more tools:)
A lot of people don’t understand you can have faith and be irreligious. I’m Christian myself, but I am anti-religion, and am skeptical of the Bible. Spirituality does not rely on a belief in God, Jesus, or anyone, and the path to heaven-whatever it is, is through acts. Be a good person. That is all.
Then why do you call yourself a christian? As in, why tie yourself to a spesific religion ( that would send you to hell for dismissing so much of it), when you could just be.. spiritual with no ties?
@@Goldenhawk583 because I believe Jesus was sent here to be an example and remind us. It’s a matter of faith beyond spirituality. Does that make sense?
@@neosapienz7885 I get the idea, but why take advice from a lying prick,, that part I dont get.
Let me give a couple of examples, sp ypu dont think Im just being mean.
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. (Matthew 15:4-7)
Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he’ll give your a big reward. Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, it’s called neglect, pure and simple. (Matthew 19:29)
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. (Mark 7:9)
Jesus says, “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. “The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people truly love him more then they love their own family. I ask you how can we love someone that we can not see or interact with? Love is an emotion pertaining to physical existence not to faithful ideologies, yet God threatens you with death just because your love for your mother maybe stronger than your love for him. (Matthew 10:34)
@@neosapienz7885It would make more sense if you didn't use a panel that already means something else to the majority of people. You are perhaps unwittingly, but nonetheless tacitly condoning the most fundamentalist and fanatical of Christians by "wearing their hat."
I hope you will reconsider that label and even better, be vocal about the parts of Christianity you DON'T condone and actively work to prevent the legislation of fundamentalist dogma.
Join Americans United or the FFRF!
I'm hoping a believing Christian may speak also? It's definitely difficult to say
that the bible is true, but churches are false, for it sounds very bad.
Also, the only 'words' I want to hear spiritually are from the bible, using
various translations and Hebrew and Greek at times, as LED.
I could never be involved in 'Evangelical', seriously needing peace and quiet.
I believe God leads people, and if God wants me 'helping' anyone, which we
all must examine!!, then God will do that. I don't agree a lot with
Jordan Peterson, but his talks on 'hierarchy', on how things are arranged
on this earth being a pattern of eternal things made sense to me.
Again, I hope it's ok to put 'another view'. Terrible to be totally conforming?
Of course its ok for believing christians to speak as well. Very hard to communicate if only one side gets to talk:P
I would like to ask though, how do you explain all the atrocities in the bible? And dont you think people had any morals before the bible?
Religion is like big oil, as long as there's a fortune to be made it will never go away. Just ask Ken Copeland.
Also atheist you can make lots of money with atheist which is why it's growing, the internet is a big investment and its full of atheist with podcasts, patrons, books, videos,ebooks,documents and more so its goings nowhere because its become profitable to say your one and millions will support you no matter what, even if your wrong they'll still support you, you could say stupid things and still get lots of support like the average (I love this man/woman,spot on intelligent arguments, as always you know what to say, those Christians and there sky daddy) it funny 😂
I believe in my opinion that faith and Atheism is not so different from one another and that's what I think we should focus on considering what's happening.
We need to focus on the differences in order to right the intolerance, cruelty, derision, and injustice religions have caused.
There's no value in the airy fairly "is all good, man" attempt to smooth things over. Sorry.
Man created god in his own image.
That is exactly what you are doing , creating a god in your mind that doesn't exist . You wan't to imagine that God doesn't exist
Then why are you on an atheist RUclips channel if you’re SO certain of this? Seems to me like you’re just a proud member of the excuse patrol, rolling in to rationalize and justify your beliefs at the slightest mention of problems with your deeply held belief.
What do you mean, "un-christian"? It's very christian.
There are no Christians because it's impossible to be one.
A person who follows religion and was baffled by me not, said they would pray for me. I asked what that consisted of. I asked if they would sit quietly and be thinking about me. They said they would. I said that was creepy and asked if they 'prayed' for children, sometimes in groups. They paused then walked away.
Well, voting for Trump isn't very Christian. Also, following people like Joel O'fulloshit and prosperity Christianity isn't what Jesus would do.
Very interesting stuff. The big problem with rejecting God however is the question of justice and judgement. If there's no God then Hitler got away unpunished. And so have millions of other unspeakably wicked people.
If you think the god of the bibles is just, you need to read that book! That is one of the most despicable characters of any book ever written. Justice? 😂
But would a God who created us have the same standards of justice? Man's sense of justice may be wildly out of sync with God's. However I'm referring to a non specific idea of a Deity and why we have a conscience and an instinct for natural justice. My question still holds though, if there is no judgement and no punishment then how can we advance as a species if there is no God or afterlife ? I don't see any leading Atheists taking a stand and proactively rooting out evil ? Most seem to just want you to enjoy life and ignore war, murder, crime and geopolitical sabre rattling. America enjoys one of the highest standards of living in the world ( as do we in UK),largely because of it's military might. Why don't atheists put their money where their mouths are and actively fight evil or at least address it instead of shrugging it off as some sort of unpleasant hangover from our evolutionary past ? Many celebrity non believers are healthy, intelligent, fully enfranchised and self actualised people. Good for them. Many people are not and therefore life cannot be enjoyed and fulfilled to the same degree. What are YOU going to do about the evil in this world . Ignore it ?
Who created the angel that became Satan? ...
The Christian God according to the story ...
Responsible for Satan who deceived and controlled the Evil in the world ....thanks God of love😅
What are you talking about?
Hitler shot himself. What a happy ending!
Furthermore, numerous well-meaning, generous, caring, just, kind people are constantly the subjects of horrible experiences, seemingly punished despite their good deeds. Seems as if your argument falls apart the deeper you look.
However, if there is no deity, one would expect that many good people would suffer bitter fates, and many horrid people would go unscathed or even prevail, wallowing in their selfish cruelty.
Considering what I've seen in about 50 yrs, I'd sooner believe in the possibility of an evil deity. However, there's neither need nor good reason to believe in one or more deities.
As an Atheist I notice that many if not most religious persons believe that their version of whatever religion that they subscribe to, all believe that the other versions are not real or just fake religions... And the only reason for such belief is that they were born to that particular version of christianity/judeism/islam/hinduism etc.
I find this claim to be the best reason for my non-belief. That and the fact that anyone who decides to "convert" to another religion, can do so without any intervention of their former religious "god." Of course this does not prevent others of their former faith from causing them harm for their "conversion."
There is no point to cheer Christianity if you don't act Christ-like.
...oops, the multi-interpretations to lunacy imminent!
Seth You need to Sta et t Thinking of Repenting !
Yep
...to the god he doesn't believe in ? That seems a bit silly in all honesty
@@justinradford4858 That's is because he isn't thinking . He believes that the Universe created itself which is scientifically impossible
@jwsanders1214 I think you miss the point. Why would he repent to a god he doesn't think exists? If you thought there was no Walmart in your town would you try and drive to it? As for your other point about the universe we simply don't know how it came into being. You are suggesting because we don't know....therefore god. You need your evidence and proof. If you think god created it, what created god?
@@justinradford4858 To someone who is unaware of God's existence , The God of The Bible ,the best evidence I can offer is The Nation of Israel . The Bible tells us over and over that The nation of Israel will be the epicenter of world events in The Last Days just before Jesus returns . Jessus himself said that Israel and Jerusalem would be destroyed and the Jews scattered into all the nations of the earth , but at the end of time they would be regathered to their own homeland and Jerusalem would be their capitol . Jerusalem was destroyed by Titus on the 9th of Av , AD 70 and the Jews were scattered into all the nations and were hated where ever they went . !/3 of all the Jews in the world were murdered in the Holocaust . After 2000 years of being dead Israel was resurrected on May 14 , 1948 and exactly 70 years later on May 14 , 2018 Jerusalem became her Capitol .
All of this is clearly spelled out in God's Word and it is happening before your eyes . If you choose to ignore it then you will be swept away in the deluge that is coming upon all the earth .
" Heaven and earth will pass away , but my words will never pass away " Jesus Christ
My favorite oxymoronic label of all time: Christian College. #fail
Seth, come back, with your own discoveries, now. My mother was 138 percent Irish Catholic, ha ha. ( There were some very good people that bought into and devoted their lives back then.) We were angels, but the ones that rebelled. That is our original sin, here. This is our second chance. Jesus offers the path to become restored to our places! Satan is the chief ruler on this planet. It bewildered President Carter, too. We are forced to choose accepting God, or, staying with Satan. Most are going to stay with Satan. He is still talking them into staying with him. But you have to make your own choice! Forget the people, here, but stick to God ( first and always ) in their place. Because there may not be a Hell? It may lead to ashes and nothing-ness? The illusion of this Universe keeps us isolated, no one else can get in, and we can't get out. WE can not win here! These others will hate and want to kill us. But, we can have a place in a better life through Christ, eventually. We are better off with the belief in God, than we can ever be, here, without the hope in Him. Study again, for yourself, try to be positive this time, ( not negative to it ). In the Bible, the United States is not one of the "good guys," and neither is the Israel of today! And everybody they own and control, ( find that out ). Seth, come back and be a voice FOR God through Christ, ( God's last word to us here). Bye,
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@@tulpas93 that's your 15 minutes of fame, that may come back against you before The founding force of this Universe. I wouldn't choose to be you. Bye,
I agree with you on many things except for the liberal tree hugging bullshit.
All of it was bull
People aren't Christian because their parents are. They're not Christian because they preach, teach or evangelize. I don't have the time to listen to all of this, but does he ever say why he became Christian. You just don't wander into being a Christian.
Have you ever wondered how and where Hindu became Hindu ?
This is factually untrue. A majority of people adopt the religious stance of their parents. Seth Andrews was born into an Evangelical Christian family, and for decades he was one too - he didn't know there was any other way to live. And the claim that Christians don't evangelize - that they do not actively seek to convert others to their faith - is laughable. One of the largest Christian denominations in the United States call themselves "Evangelicals".
You can define yourself as a Christian because you've been indoctrinated to believe it and don't know enough about other views. I was and so was this guy.
"Wander" doesn't begin to address the reality of childhood indoctrination. You're born into an alternate reality, the same people you trust for everything else tell you that Jesus is real, they surround you with like-minded reinforcers, and they program you to distrust the outside world. Yeah...I was a Christian because my parents were. -Seth
Most children are taught it from the earliest age by their parents, grandparents and community. It's called indoctrination. When you grow up living in a culture where everyone around you, particularly those in authority over you, as most humans who wish to survive, conform and adopt the cultural beliefs of the tribe that nurtures them. That fact is widely evident all around the world in every human culture. To break away, one must be exposed to alternative cultural beliefs, have a sense of curiosity and thirst for seeking validity of the idea of beliefs and then be brave enough to jeopardize community connections to pursue and discover what is true. Some adults fall into it or back into it when they face adversity or major tragedy in their lives and have no foundation to otherwise deal with reality, no support of family or friends so they are easily taken in by the "kind and welcoming" believers who suck them in.
Everything that you are witnessing right now in Israel is all foretold in the Bible
When has their not been conflict in this region? Predicting conflict in Israel is like predicting snow in the winter in Minnesota.
@@cullenarthur8879 For almost 2000 years Israel did not exist . Jesus said that Israel and Jerusalem would be destroyed by the Romans and the Jewish people would be scattered into all the nations of the earth . This happened in 70 Ad . Jesus also said that before his return that The Nation of Israel would reborn , this happened on May14, 1948 . The Bible says that in the Last Days The Nation of Israel will be the epicenter of world events , and it is . The Bible says that Jerusalem will be Israels Capitol , and it is , after 2000 years of nonexistence Israel has been resurrected and Jerusalem became her capitol 5 years ago on May 14 , 2018 .
Ezekiel 38 and 39 and Zechariah 12 tell us that in the Last Days that Israels enemies will surround her and that 2/3 of all the Jews will be killed , but Jesus will return and defeat all of Israels enemies and at that time all of Israel will Know that Jesus is their true Messiah .
Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 that when we see the Nation of Israel reborn we will know that His appearing is drawing closer . " Heaven and earth will pass away , but my words will never pass away "
@@jwsanders1214 have you ever thought that maybe there are people who are actively trying to fulfill those prophecies? Even if those predictions came true, it still does not prove that they are divine or supernatural predictions. People who are looking for reasons to believe will find them. Of course, they will dismiss all of the failed prophecies and hold on to the ones they interpret to have been fulfilled.
@@cullenarthur8879 Have you ever thought ?
I doubt if you have spent any time at all thinking about what God's Word says about the End Times .
Jerusalem has been destroyed twice and the Jews have been scattered from the Land of Israel twice on the same calendar date , Tisha B' Av , The 9th of Av on the Jewish Calendar . Tisha B' Av is a national day of mourning for the Jewish people , and many bad events have fallen on the Jewish people on this day including the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar in 586 BC , and then again by Titus in 70 AD .
When the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem in 586 BC the Jews were exiled from The Land of Israel for 70 years , and God brought them back
The second time when The Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD and the Jews were scattered into all the nations of the earth , they were in exile for 2000 years .
Very few people over the course of that 2000 years believed that the Jews would ever be restored to their Homeland of Israel even though the Word of God tells it would happen just before Christs return
Jesus foretells in Matthew 24 and Luke 21 . He says that Jerusalem will be destroyed and it was . He said that just before his return The Nation of Israel will be resurrected from the dead , and it was May 14 , 1948 , and exactly 70 years later Jerusalem became her Capitol May 14 , 2018 ,
Scripture tells those with ears to hear that Israel will be the epicenter of world events in the last days , and the Jews will be hated by everyone , and the United Nations will surround Jerusalem with armies and 2/3 of all Jews will be killed by their enemies
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How do you expect to speak for Christians as an atheist? You guys are so funny. You are reformers within the church, but you go too far to atheism. It's very unpopular. You would be better off with some new-age nonsense of Spinoza or something. You really can't run an ideology purely on the negative.
Spinoza's god is the god you worship when Atheism is a capital offense.
@@SumBrennus the father of new age.
There is no reform possible within the American Christian Church.
It's way too fragmented, with tons and tons of noisy gibberish piled up where the simple and rational Christian Faith used to be.
In other words, what used to be Christianity is no longer there, just like what used to be Conservativism is no longer there, and what used to be the Republican Party is no longer there.
Instead, we have one giant circus full of clowns participating in various spectacles, where Christianity, Conservativism and the Republican politics are placed on a regular, daily schedule (for now).
All that the "evil" atheists need to do is wait for the people to get tired of the circus, and the entire cacophony of moral insanity will simply fall apart.
It is easy for Seth to speak for Christianity .he was a Christian for many years and a lot of atheists were .so go cry to someone who cares about your opinion. Go worship Trump some more .trump is definitely a great Christian he is greedy only cares about himself he thinks he is better then everyone. Judgmental hateful .he us the best representation of a true Christian
There is no atheist ideology beyond the belief that god does not exist. That's it.