Transformers Prime: No One Will Be On My Side.
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- Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2023
- In today's video, I tell you how I really feel.
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I forgave a lot with TF Prime. Knowing what I liked and didn't like about it. Unfortunately, for Prime fans, you are not allowed to have a negative opinion on the show. AT ALL. The show deserves the valid criticism it gets even with its good moments. There is a reason I rank Animated higher than Prime and being a hardcore G1/Beast Wars guy is not one of them.
Don't you shit on people who criticize your content. And people who don't like g1???
Wait, you were in this comment section the whole time?
@@skuffy4930apparently
@@skuffy4930Like a needle in a haystack
right there with you. You'd think he'd pop up at the top of the comment section
I am so happy about Skybound's characterization for Optimus. He was so devastated by ACCIDENTALLY killing a deer. He didn't mean to do it, but his sadness over it truly endeared him to me.
It really goes to show that you can give him a personality, because that reads through text, and you can still feel his sadness.
Thank you so much, I never would have found out about this comic if it weren’t for you, it’s amazing, Optimus prime and everyone else genuinely feel like real life characters.
If you guys want a modern version of Optimus that has a personality watch earthspark trust me prime is golden there
I DESPERATELY need more transformers fans to understand that dark doesn’t automatically equal good
Prime isn't dark it's epic and people get those confused
@@weewoo695 I feel like epic is a very esoteric word that’s kinda hard to define sometimes, but I think I get what you mean
Fun fact: the Transformers: Prime game had more types of vehicons(Brutes, snipers, etc), it gave the characters more interesting abilities, and it also provided more interesting locations(the Decepticon control room is literally just a DJ booth and it gives Soundwave more character since... He apperantly knows how to DJ)
Genuinely, if the "Bulkhead I needed that" joke evolved that way, I'd have been laughing my ass off
Exactly. The joke could have been done in more ways than just the one.
@@PerspectiveEnd If could have been epic if they'd had some kind of payoff in the last episode (movie?) for Prime.
@@PerspectiveEnd I mean, the episode "Faster, Stronger" demonstrated that the old doc can beat up Bulkie if he wanted to, so the idea of him getting so pissed off he'll murder the green sod is honestly FUCKING hilarious
Fans: "Who's side are you on?"
Perspective: "Side? I am on nobody's side."
"Because no one is on MY side."
He is about as neutral as Switerland
"They come with fire, they come with axes... Gnawing, biting, breaking, hacking, burning! Destroyers and usurpers, curse them!"
@@bradensmith8682 I’m on his side.
Not far from the truth, some have called him G1er and even some G1ers said that he hates G1
I Always put Animated Optimus over thos one, not because of the sense of humor only, but the struggle, him constantly dealing with upper ranks autobots telling him he wasn't a hero or even worth of anything, he learns to lead while also being Prime at his core, he is gentle, funny, and just like all the Animated main cast, he has emotions, which is something most of Prime characters lack
Animated is the show Prime desperately wishes it was.
Animated Optimus had an arc as a character. In Prime, he may as well just be a narrator standing off to the side.
Can't really do that when Optimus is SUPPOSED to be the leader. You're forcing what you want on a character that doesn't fit it.
@@erosion271 Optimus can be gentle and funny and be the leader. G1 did this. RID01 did this. Armada and Cybertron did this. Cyberverse did this. Earthspark did this. Even Rescue Bots, a show in the same continuity as Prime, has him show more range of emotion, and even when he’s just being wise, his advice actually means anything. There’s such a massive gulf between the way he actively helps Heatwave become a better leader and the way he passively tells Ultra Magnus to lay off a little cause his crew does things differently
@@Cdr2002 who said optimus wasn't already those things? you've just countered a point no one made.
You know what someone should do? someone should go back and reanimate the entire Beast Wars show so that we can have the best Transformers ever. the best possible story with the best possible animation. they don't even need to redub it, they can just animate it to match the audio.
I've wanted to do that since I actually first started Watching Prime.
Well now that you’re actually an animator, maybe that’s what you’ll end up doing with your knowledge lol
I get it but at the same time I’d rather people just use BW as a template to make better shows rather than try to recapture its magic
fair, my be just a few episode for its anniversary or smth
@@harpybeagle4931 I've seen so many Transformers fans can't watch Beast Wars seriously only because of the animation. They're totally missing out, but maybe if there's new animation they can know the true goat TF show.
I think it's crazy how cyberverse "the kid series" had higher stakes and an easier time killing off characters (except in the season 1) than prime "the mature series"
But I will give Prime some credit I do like turn new interpretations on breakdown, knockout and dreadwing
Edit: oops I put the wrong kind of steak 💀
I honestly like Cyberverse more (the first season doesn’t count) but that’s definitely bias on my part lol
In all honesty Cyberverse had a plethora of characters to kill compared to prime. Prime killed Cliff in the first episode. I consider that fairly mature especially since they revived his corpse right after.
This guy is the most neutral guy he's in nobody's side
I stand alone.
He's team TreeBeard
Good then, neutrality is valuable
The president of the Neutral planet when told their world will be destroyed: ‘tell my wife…hello’
@@PerspectiveEnd my opinion u should do a full transformers tier list about all media it would be awesome
The fact that THIS is supposed to take place after the War for Cybertron games will never not upset me. Even those games had more going on.
If they were in different Universes I’d sleep much better
yeah the quote-unquote "aligned" continuity didn't end up being all that aligned in hindsight huh
All those characters you loved in those games, if they don't appear in the show, their dead
Yeah it's not part of the same continuity for sure.
I think that was just an afterthought by Hasbro
While it definitely has its flaws prime is still a good show in my opinion, I can understand why some people don't like it but to me the redeeming features mostly outshine it's bad aspects and makes it a show that I will definitely vouch for.
My problem is that I just don't see either Redeeming Aspects or Destroying aspects. It is too bland for either.
The show is an 8/10 for me. Good but not a perfect transformers show, it could use some work.
As a fan of BCS I love a good slow burn, and this is probably the slowest burn possible for a TF show. I didn't grow up with these designs so I'm not too attached to the visual style, that honor belongs to the franchise's 2D animated godsends
@@PerspectiveEndEh?
The funny thing there were little moments to have prime flash out beyond his “prime’s dont emote”. Like the time he and Arcee got stuck in the Antarctic. He promised Raphael, the guy who never begs to go out to missions to go cuz he never saw snow, that he’ll bring him back a snowball which was really cute. I really thought he’d pass by Raphael and dump a massive load of snow on his feet, or at the very least scrub some off his body for Raph.
Part of what bugged me about Prime was how it would be smart, take itself seriously, but then be just as 'wtf' as the original G1 cartoon. Prime and Arcee were worried about freezing to death in the Antarctic? Yet a few episodes later, they have no problem floating through outer space? Um. Space is going to make the Antarctic feel like New Orleans in August.
@@danieljeyn9847 a little science can explain that actually. A planet’s atmosphere traps the built up cold on the caps making it significantly more dangerous to freeze to death than in space. In space you’re more certain to explode from your inner gases expanding in the vacuum. And because they instantly teleported to space, their mechanical bodies are trapping air between the plates, which should kill them if not properly transitioned.
@danieljeyn9847 THAT WAS THE EPISODE BEFORE THEY WENT TO THE ANTARCTIC
@@USSMarineroh so they should’ve been COMPLETELY fine in the artic
@@danieljeyn9847I think it wasnt about temperature but about the snow. There was snow storm where they arived, snoe could get in them and turn to ice.
To me, animated is the perfect blend of quality writing and classic cheese. I know the animation is a sticking point for many, but as someone who grew up on shows animated by DJW, it was far less of an issue for me.
I'm someone who remembers G1. I was out of Transformers fandom for many years, and didn't even realize they were still around until I saw Prime. I only watched Animated in recent years and I love it. It's a true love letter made by the fans who remember G1 and did something with heart to it.
I feel like animated and Prime are almost polar opposites, yet both manage to be good in different ways.
Just chiming in because, when I first saw it, I _hated_ TFA's look... but because then I fell in love with it due to the entire package.
I do think that Animated has some pretty bad animation, specially on season 3, but that has nothing to do with DJW artstyle
agreed I absolutely love animated and the decepticons are peak
I personally go with BW, G1, and TFA. TFA does indeed start slow, and the "supervillains" in season 1 are a bit...much. However after Megatron gets rebuilt, it really zooms along. I love TFA Prowl, think Ratchet from the show is pretty much where Prime drew its versions direction from, and for a "Young Optimus" type story it's one of the best. I do enjoy many aspects of Prime, but it does move slow at random arcs, and it still has the distinction of giving us the horrible Predacons Rising movie. So I stand by BW, overall, G1 for the reasons you stated, and TFA for a fresh take that stumbles a bit but really starts cooking during season 2 and 3.
TF Prime was pretty much a "gritty reboot" of TFA. I think TFA had more heart.
Starscream as a leader during the show wasn’t that bad he had some good attempts. Using makeshift, finding skyquake, energon harvester, and melting the ice were better than megatron using purple crack.
Makeshift got close to revealing the base like if he had something that would record conversations and upload it to the decepticon computer once in range or immediately saying the base location before getting blown up. As for skyquake he was just to stubborn to listen and died immediately only to be replaced by a repaint
The harvester was starscream getting cocky that’s on him, the melting ice for a huge energon deposit if he had the ship higher up so no one can jump onto it he might’ve succeeded while megatron would still revive melting the ice might’ve continued or megatron being high on purple crack would blow it up.
The dumbest moment was the super speed and thinking on it if he killed the auto bots in the base then close the bridge he’d have access to everything in the base cause anyone alive is across the planet and if you wanna leave use said bridge to leave with everything
Very good points
Yeah, I’d take the slight coward over the titanic crackhead any day.
The only major issue I had with this was the assessment that you cannot get attached to a character in just 2 minutes. I personally feel that you need to get attached to a character as quickly as humanly possible in order for your story to work at all. Failing to make Cliffjumper endearing enough to mourn his loss, whether in 2 minutes or 200, is the bigger sin here. Let's keep in mind that one of the most cherished Beast Wars episodes revolved around a character who had, at best, 15 minutes of screen time, all contained within that episode.
The designs are very evergreen to me, very few take risks or break character convention. We needed more characters like Soundwave; making his name and role tie into his character so well.
Dont forget Arcee,black archnia,knockout and breakdown.
well, Knockout was a new character so he gets a pass@@_MECHA_
Yes
Ok, but that's pretty much saying you want a batman without ears. He is no longer batman, he's just Man.
@@Bumblebastian i don't see what's making you say that
In this case it would be more like Batman but instead of the bat part just being a costume it's bat like superpowers
New Recruit was easily the strongest relaunch I’ve ever seen in an established show. Adding just one guy to the Autobots who didn’t fit in did so much for the show. Smokescreen’s interactions with Optimus were my favorite part of the entire show. It’s just a shame most of the interesting Decepticons had already been written out of the show by the time he popped up.
This is a really interesting take on the part of both you and PE. I always liked Smokescreen even if I wish he was Hot Rod outright, but I’ve seen a lot of people paint him with the “annoying kid appeal rookie” brush like prior complaining about Cheetor, Side Burn, Hot Shot, Animated Bumblebee, and so on (I actually like all of these characters) so it’s really cool to see people pointing out what a needed refresher he was for the show
Smokescreen was the best autobot on the show. No contest.
@@dis_random_kid8699I honestly think that honor belongs to Cliffjumper
Even if he didn't appear in it for most of the time
@@silverbone4845 like persi said. Y’all only cared abt his bc of G1
@@dis_random_kid8699 i don't understand
That whole 'Bulkhead I needed that' development made me laugh
Even as someone who loved Prime to death, you speak 100% facts, i couldn’t agree more
I'm proud to hear that even though you started from a far different point than I did, you can see where I'm comming from.
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@PerspectiveEnd , I honestly feel the exact same way as @UserThatExists . I've always loved this show, and I mean always. It's always been my favorite rendition of the transformers. But watching your video has left me shook. Because as much as I love the show, I don't think a single one of your points is wrong. I do think there are some higher highs that you didn't give the show credit for, like the season one finally or when ratchet invented robot drugs and scolds optimus, at which point you definitely feel the rage peak out. But ultimately, you are right. A lot of the development that the characters undertake throughout the show tends to make them less interesting, as apposed to just as much or more interesting in a different way. And the more I think about it, I've never been completely in love with almost any characters in the show. Like, other than Prime because prime, I don't feel a particular need to have any of these characters in my hands now, because I don't have that strong of a pull to them. Like I said, I still love the show, and I do still think it has many stronger moments, but I'm starting to think that the strong back end of the show has tainted my view of the entire experience as a whole. as someone who wants to learn how to write better, and how to write characters better in particular, I think I'm going to watch and rewatch Animated and BW so I can get a better understanding of how to create compelling characters and stories.
@@PerspectiveEndlf you have any other show recommendations, Transformers or not, I'd love to hear them! Also, I love your reviews, even when you're absolutely ripping on a figure I quite enjoyed, such as Chase. (rescue bots is a wonderful show and I will NOT die on this hill because my power of being objectively right will trump any and all negative opinions). Absolutely love your stuff my guy! Can't wait to see what else you get to
I just started reading the new Transformers comic run (can't remember the publisher's name) but as soon as you started talking about Prime being a father figure I knew I had to tell you to go check them out. This is the first time in a while since I've felt Optimus give off the curious, soft yet kind dad vibes, and i loved it. It's only on issue #2 and it nails him better than most modern media.
I did really love Prime growing up, and some of the designs I do like, but Beast Wars was 100% peak Transformers, then maybe TFA. Love your stuff, keep going strong.
I missed out on the epic I d w more than meets the eye that everybody loves. So when this comic series started I have to jump in and I agree! The first two books are great.
They are by image comics by the way
@@reedy9333Everyone? MTMTE has a fair share of critics and for good reason. Especially when it concerns the late James Roberts materials.
It's called Skybound's Energon Universe.
Honestly, just for having the balls to bash Prime in front of everyone, you deserve 20k more subs
Not really, this video makes him seem more edgy than usual
Nah
The show sucks ass. End of story.
Prime was my fav show, I get it had its flaws but besides them it was a great show. Season 2 was by far my favourite season with the whole Omega Lock plot and the restoration of Cybertron at play. My favourite Autobot was Wheeljack when my favourite Decepticon was Breakdown.
Man, I will for ever be your greatest foe over Wheeljack.
Season 2 was the best one in my opinion, the relic-hunting stuff, meeting new characters, and exploring the transformers biology in operation bumblebee.
Season 2 had Triangulation (I think that’s the one in the arctic) with Optimus Dreading and Starscream. My favourite episode of the show by sheer entertainment value alone. Actually clever action that occasionally uses the environment, and my favourite humour in all of it. An episode I consider to be the pinnacle of what the show can do.
@@PerspectiveEnd I like prime
The only characters I liked in this show were:
Knock Out
Smokescreen (Partly because, like you said in this video, he's basically Hot Rod/Rodimus in all but appearance and name)
Ultra Magnus (Mainly because he is voiced by Michael Ironside)
Dreadwind
Shockwave (The only character that the emotionless thing works for)
I'm so happy that someone finally had the courage to say that Prime is overrated. Animated superior, Prime inferior.
Honestly it's not even that he looks mostly wrong, Smokescreen just looks like a Pallet Swapped Hotrod.
And yeah those are all the characters I liked too, I didn't mention them because it was ancillary to the topic, and they mostly arrive too late, but each of those guys had something interesting going on.
@@PerspectiveEnd You're awesome! Keep putting out awesome videos! And I never noticed that Smokescreen kind of looks like a pallet swapped version of Hot Rod, now I have another reason to like him. Hot Rod/Rodimus is my favorite Autobot of all time (With G1 Mirage in second place) For future reference, my favorite Decepticon is a tie between G1 Shockwave and G1 Cyclonus.
Challenge accepted
Season 1: Stop Megatron from raising an army of dark energon zombies.
Season 2: find all the Cybertronian artefacts that can help the decepticons to cyberform Earth.
Season 3: Stop the decepticon from finding more Predacon bones before they create a new monstrous army to conquer earth.
Season 1. That’s just the plot of darkness rising.
Season 2. That was the plot of the omega keys, who appeared in the later half of the season.
Season 3 was the only good season.
@@dis_random_kid8699 if you want to be more specific, season 2 is about decrypting the Iacon files, leading the to different artefacts and later, the keys, and season 1 has multiple episodes about dark energon, major of the season is just filler plot
We need a video about Perspective taking about the good about the bayverse 😈
I already made it. You never saw it, because it's 0 seconds long and there's no video or audio.
@@PerspectiveEndWhat are your thoughts on some videos that detail defenses and praises for the Bayverse made from youtubers such as Talon Productions?
@@vaggos2003 He already gave his thoughts, the comment just doesn't have any text
I am so glad you’re not afraid to say these things. It makes me feel validated
Yeah, I've never been one to shy away from sticking my hand in the mousetrap.
Given your dislike of Prime Optimus, I wonder what you think of Earthspark Optimus? I personally find ES Prime a refreshing return to form.
I just miss when prime felt like an actual person, the thing that differentiated him from the rest of the Autobots and made him stand out. So ES is definitely doing Optimus some justice
I've not had the time to watch enough of it yet, to really form an Opinion on that version of him.
I wonder where Optimus has a personality there? He made a joke, served as an exposition and sponge for Megatron's complaints, that's about it. And, we are also constantly hinted that he makes the wrong decisions - is this a personality trait?
I think the main problem with transformers shows in general are the difference in tones and the quality associated with each tone. The more kid centered shows that are clearly for a younger audience do a good job at that like rescue bots, earthspark, some parts of cyberverse, animated, and season 1 of beast wars. The shows that are more focused on slightly darker tones often are mid or really bad like machinimas cartoons, war for cybertron, beast machines and prime. With the exceptions being seasons 2 and 3 of beast wars being really good for their tone. I think the best way to properly incorporate a mature themed transformers show that really good is to adapt the 2005 idw comics faithfully into animation
My favourite thing about Starscream's bragging about killing Cliffjumper is that the other characters get more and more tired of it as the show goes on, especially the other Decepticons, but it's 100% more Autobots than any of the other Decepticons manage to kill during the actual timeline of the show. Dreadwing and Airachnid get some kills in flashbacks and that's it. They're also the two Decepticons that turn permanently traitor before the finale.
The oh-so-mighty-and-badass Megatron kills 0 Autobots that don't immediately come back to life and kill him. The only characters he kills are Dreadwing, three Starscream clones, and a shit-ton of Vehicons. Every other antagonist in the show, from Soundwave to Hardshell to Skyquake to Predaking, is at a solid zero dead guys.
Starscream contributed more to the war effort than literally any other Decepticon, and the show turns it into a running joke about him being an incompetent braggart
There was even by Cbr under RoadRustle's Starscream video talking about instamces of Starscream being a great leader on Megatron's expense and one of the examples was Transformers: Prime.
It's a good comment under a good video, I recommend you reading it.
1. I believe Optimus's personality is why he's my 4th favorite version (1. G1 Optimus 2. Cybertron Optimus 3. Bayverse Optimus) he does have a dullish personality he may have small moments where he smirks and cares for his teammates including the humans but a large percentage is overshadowing the qualities that are there. And I also dislike the whole "Primes don't party"
2. I mostly dislike Arcee because she has that sassy bitchy personality yes she's supposed to be sassy but she comes across as bitchy
3. I agree with you about soundwave, I didn't like that they took the concept silent but deadly and made it literal. When he spoke for the first time I thought to myself "oh so he does talk, does he chooses Not to?" Not to mention that he talked regularly in RID2015 so WTF.
4. Dreadwing is best character and I hated that they killed him. And maybe it's just me I hate it when a character is going to kill someone they take their time or even announcing themselves like bro just kill the person you plan on killing.
5. I thought Megatron was pretty ok the one thing I dislike about his design is that he has shark teeth like the Bayverse.
6. You didn't talk about Steve WTF man?
7. How is Earthspark? I watch the 2 part episode but I keep forgetting to binge watch the series.
Here's my pet peeve I prefer character adaptations sticking to the source material as in capturing the soul and the look of that character (I can tolerate TF looking different as long as their recognizable for both old and new fans)
As someone who binged each batch of Earthspark as it came out, it is AMAZING
Great animation, great characters, great writing, and a clear HELL OF A LOT of love for the entire franchise
Feels good being a Beast Wars and Animated Chad.
Agreed.
Transformers armada and rescue bots r underrated
As someone to whom Prime is my go-to for TF, like my comfort food, I’m now scared to go back and find out how much of it was empty calories.
Great video as always, Perspective. Especially loved that preamble about your days in college. I thought that was pretty interesting.
Nah it's a great series, he just has a low attention span.
I watched only a few episodes of the series until i got bored of basically everything. He watched every episode which btw is only 9 more than beast wars, and was bored as well.@@jimimcmahon4522
@jimimcmahon4522 he doesn't have a low attention span. His statements about the show being dull and boring are valid, the shows poor writing makes it uninteresting especially with the character dynamics being non existent, and the times that there were, it almost never is interesting
Maybe you are just so easy to get bored with something, because there are many interesting and engaging moments throughout the show that you probably didn't just want to pay attention to for some reason, and when did the show have poor writing or character dynamics? @@dangipson5504
Have you returned to Prime since watching that video?
Does it hold up to you if you did?
Yo what’s your logo based on? Also what’s your favorite Godzilla film? And are you going to see minus one
The answer to your first question: ruclips.net/video/DVwPOJ96U64/видео.html
Godzilla Vs Mechagodzilla.
And probably yes.
Hey Perspective! Great video, has lots of good points that I agree with. But I have a quick question. Do you know any good adhesives or glue to fix mainline figures. One piece of my figure is on its way of breaking and I want to do one last attempt to fix it before I go and get another. Thanks in advance.
The Aligned continuity is a mess. My biggest issue is that they really didn’t coordinate. Every project in that whole universe is good but they don’t meld together at all.
Still probably my second favourite TF series. G1 tops it, and beast wars gets a close 3rd.
The only video I ever scrapped way back in the day, was how the Aligned Continuity isn't a Continuity.
@@PerspectiveEndI figured that with your dislike for the Prime and HM designs you’d eventually do a more in-depth video talking about less subjective problems. Glad you made this, and I hope you do some bigger projects soon!
(Mostly just rewriting Kingdom)
@@PerspectiveEnd From Diamondbolt or Comodin Cam?
Congrats on 15k. I’ve been here from the near beginning and it’s kinda crazy how much you and your content have grown from your initial videos.
Huzzah! A man of quality!
I'm glad someone else shares my standpoint on this uncarved stone block of a show!
Beast Wars was so good!!!
Despite being made on technology that is about as powerful as modern day mobile phones, Beast Wars proved that good writing triumphs all.
Also Blackarachnia is better than Prime Arcee any day of the week.
I think you are underestimating the GAP between mobile phones and 90s computers, Mobile phones have RAM in the Gigs. 10 Megabytes was big for memory in the 90s.
And yes writing is paramount.
I agree about Blackarachnia, and if people were always on about her I'd at least understand it, chick looks like a naked human.
I love the show, but i agree it has it problems
And im also learning 3D, and while there is a lot of great animation moments and fights, sometimes it looks so bland and just bad it hurts to see
I really think they lacked a story border and a keyframe animator. It's all competently made, but it lacks a vision.
Hey perspective, what is your opinion on the new skybound transformers comics
Congrats on 15k, I’d be curious to hear your take on Animated in this style of video format
What is your thoughts about predaking as a character
He's Ok, he's less bland than most, but a little too bland still. Though he at least gets to operate at like a 7 emotion a lot, though that might just be thanks to his actor being a dude with a lot more intensity.
I think his ok but I wanted him to hate the fact that everyone treated him more like a beast than a bot
just a reminder that we didn't get a 4th season of animated because of this show
What’s your opinion on the war for cybertron games
I found the only level that Truly lived up to what it should be is the Vortex level from FoC. The Rest felt like they could have been any other Third Person shooter, the Votex level felt like Transformation for the first time ever was an integral part of the combat, and it was awesome.
What’s your opinion on cyberverse’s animation and artstyle
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I think another thing,
They don’t actually make it feel like Cliff was apart of the team in a meaningful way
Beyond Arcee’s partner, which fine, it never feels like there’s any vacant hole in the team caused by his death beyond the others feeling sad over his death
I think the recent God of War games did a good job of having a character be offscreen but made their deaths feel important and impactful
You’re so right about that. All the other characters have pretty set roles, there definitely would have been a vacuum if Ratchet or Bulkhead died. Cliff jumper dying and there not being any role differences just makes it seems like he was not even an important part of the team. Hell, why is Arcee the only one that even mentions him? Everyone else was on a team with him and didn’t give a shit after the first episode
@@abbers0737
The others mention him a couple times every now and then
But its so brief and really just amounts to “we lost someone”
Do not worry perspective I will always be on your side
Thank you for the support.
did you speed up the video while editing? i had to put in 0.75 to sound normal
No the fast talking is just his thing
I just realized how bad most versions of Soundwave are. I personally like Prime’s silent troll version, but it’s sad that he’s tied as my second best version of him.
My list:
1. G1, the team carrying actually good father in the Decepticons.
2. Prime, silent and dangerous combatant who kinda sits there breaking his back by doing literally everything smart for the villains in the first 2 seasons.
2. (Tied) Earthspark, basically a more emotional version of the G1 character, who actually has motivation and is put in a unique environment the series hasn’t done in a show yet.
I feel like a mistake that both this and Beast Machines made is that they were trying too hard to be dark that they forgot to be engaging and interesting at all by having every single character being incredibly personalityless due to them being so depressed all the time. Often I find that the most effective dark media also happens to be some of the most enjoyable worlds to be immersed in, for example the two darkest Nintendo games ever made are Mother 3 and Pokémon mystery dungeon Explorers of Sky. Sure, both these games are incredibly depressing, especially at the end, but they're also incredibly enjoyable worlds filled with delightful characters and so much charm, which is why it's so sad when shit hits the fan because it happens in a world and to characters you actually care about. That's also why Transformers the movie is so incredibly effective, the world of Transformers is so fun and enjoyable, despite how poorly it's written, that by the time the movie comes around and it's a blood bath, it actually hurts. It's why Optimus's death is so sad, because he was basically robot Mr Rogers.
Rescue Bots is the best 'Aligned continuity' show. Fite me
Quick question. What are your thoughts on Unicron?
Unicron is awful. It is always the worst possible decision to make him the Earth. If he wakes up everyone dies, so that means he can't wake up. He's also used too early here. At the end of the first season the Stakes are as big as they can possibly get.
It’s kinda insane that the new Transformers comic killed a random deer and it had more emotional impact than Cliffjumper’s in Prime
Still in my top 5 Transformers shows though
My favorite transformers character ironically is bay prime
Why's that?
@@PerspectiveEndbecause his design and he’s simply badass
Finally someone that agrees with me most people see prime as something that came from heaven but in reality the show has problems
This seems to be something a lot of people wanted to hear, going by the comments.
It was a good show but, as many others, is flawed in certain aspects
@@alejandroelluxray5298 i would say that it was decent
So who would you say is the best version of Optimus g1,armada, animated?
So if someone were to ask you THIS TIME on how to get into transformers, what series this time would replace prime as the third show to watch
Is it bad that I agree with just about all of this? I made it through the first season of Prime and some episodes were better than others, but I really didn't see what all the hype was about. But some of the toys are great and I'm glad people with slightly different tastes to mine can get the same enjoyment from it that I get from Beast Wars.
Basing it on the movie style (movie-looking Bumblebee who can't talk, philosophical basically Jesus Optimus instead of fun "boobie"-saying Optimus we all love etc.) and then calling it part of the same Aligned continuity as the G1-based WFC games and then making no attempt to link the two together at all was an objectively dumb move though.
It's fine that you agree or disagree.
Optimus lost his sense of fun along with Bumblebee's voice.
Congratulations on 15k Perspective!
Thank you so much!
I know we are a whole universe apart in the subject of our content but I am a huge fan of yours and as a fellow child of the Beast Wars era, I would love to discuss that series with you.
Who is the best human character
What’s your opinion on the idea of transformers having four fingers?
I prefer five fingers. There's a reason we have this many.
G1 Optimus had the most character of all the Optimus, with cadet Animated's Prime a close second. Energon had all sorts of issues...but Optimus Prime for sure wasn't one of them. He was one of the best parts considering his Armada version being more militaristic, still had more personality and could laugh at times along with his team. Cybertron Prime had all kind of personality almost akin to Primal considering it's Gary Chalk. Prime's Optimus has less character than the WFC one. Hell, Cyberverse Optimus is an introvert who doesn't like being at parties but goes anyways because he's the leader out to bring up morale.
I agree, Knock Out is the best given how much fun he has. Animated Megatron is smooth and manipulative, Cybertron is completely brutal, Armada just loved war, Energon was a corrupted megalomaniac reprogramming his Armada team into his corrupted vision of them. Prime's Megatron was a crack addict hyped up on the blood of a chaos "god" who is Earth. It makes me miss how G1 had some gremlin be Unicron's maker...G1 Megatron was an insane lunatic with plans you'd never see coming and even dumb sounding, but it absolutely nearly destroys the planet nearly every other episode causing millions in off-screen deaths, like how he cut off all communications on the planet.
I just realized something about Prime's Wheeljack...look at Armada Wheeljack's design. Armada's has those that gun thing that also act like a sword. And he has two...now give Armada Wheeljack a G1 body design and a cocky attitude. And bam, now you got Prime's Wheeljack.
The only time the "Bulkhead, I needed that!" worked was when Bulkhead said "What, you needed that?" I actually found some appreciation for Kicker more than Miko from rewatching Transformers. Because Kicker is actively useful and grows. You're entirely right about the whole "dark" setup being fake, it's mainly the lighting and how everyone acts so moody, except Knock Out. But Beast Machines is the darkest given the whole thing about free will, even if that was all poorly executed.
God, this is quite a cathartic vid to get through, you have no idea! Beast Wars II and RiD 01 have more going on than Prime and those were meant to be more a comedy. I can tell you key moments that happen in just about every series, even Energon. Armada had a lot of hype moments and tragedies. Energon had exciting moments, among the boring repetitive stiff animation. There was ACTUALLY active genocide of the Transformers that I'm pretty sure by the end most if not all the Decepticons are now down to being counted on your hands, at least the ones on Cybertron. Autobots were literally being gassed to death with toxic energon and dying en masse, even if they were background or faceless bots.
Oh...and the lore. The lore of the "Aligned" continuity really takes the piss. G1 establishes multi-versal Unicron. I missed how UT version was an elderich horror. UT established similar with Sideways and Vector Prime. Except Sideways is the Kenny of Transformers, every time he dies, he just reincarnates into another timeline, even his brief cameo in Bayverse. But Aligned? It essentially removes all that, so thanks for making Vector a boring soulless version of his Cybertron self. It kinda cheapens the "Ask Vector Prime" because he's no longer the singularity that knows all about Transformers being able to travel timelines...
People wanna complain how Rid'15 ruined it? Nah...Rescue Bots was what saved the Aligned continuity from it's own dull and boring nature. Rid'15 was definitely a dumbing down though, but it at least gave some character to the cast.
I dunno…. I kind of liked the search for all the Iacon relics in Season 2 and seeing these shuffle around between different factions from episode to episode. The Omega Lock plot was good too. I agree it picks up after Smokescreen comes on board. For all the lack of deep character growth though, the Autobot and Decepticon teams had significant growth and change over time, with characters being added and leaving like Airachnid.
The problem with the Relic hunt is it feels inconsequential, because the autobots could get them all, and they'd still be outmatched by the numbers, and weapons of the cons.
@@PerspectiveEnd Nah... The cons are mostly fodder troops. The only ones who are consequential were the named ones. They seemed to match up well, in my opinion. The relics turned the tide on a number of occasions (e.g. the Apex armor on Starscream, the phase shifter, etc...).
I agree with most of your takes here, good video Perspective. I'm curious as to what you think of the voice acting in the show is like overall? I've always seen it as a highlight, at least for the decepticons.
Thank you very much!
The acting was for the most part fine, just desperately underplayed, which is a direction problem that undercuts the acting.
The whole starscream rant doesnt make any sense imo. The whole reason he does that it because thats literally a part of his character. He was cowardly and conniving bot who never fought head to head 1 on 1 unless he had a major advantage. Him killing cliffjumper was one of his only biggest achievements because he never put himself in a position like that due to how cowardly he was. So for him to flaunt his 1 kill around makes sense for his character because he was so full of himself to do so. Also steve blum did an awesome job and deserves more love
I have a soft spot for Prime as it was the first TF property I ever saw, but with time, I began to see just how much wasn't perfect the way it was when I was little. The season 2 finale remains in my top 10 episodes of TV of all time though, that shit is still pretty cool to me now.
I feel that prime Wheeljack as a character could have completely been replaced by another actual douche of a wrecker like Springer or Impactor.
Roadbuster or Rotorstorm would've been perfect for that role but they don't have the notoriety.
@@bradensmith8682 They both fit well too. Roadbuster might have some notierity since he appeared in dotm
are you gonna tell the story about the stalker later or can i ask what was it ?
I might. The Short version is she showed up again, didn't recognize me, threatened a dude because she was angry that someone else didn't hurt him, got very upset that everyone else thought it wasn't a cool thing to do, left by cussing out everyone else, and then said it was nice to meet me.
@@PerspectiveEnd yeah i see why she broke up with her
I definitely want to ask how do you feel about Earthspark Optimus? Since you mentioned it’s animation, I feel like they finally tried to go somewhat back to the G1 funnier Prime and I really enjoyed it.
I've only seen up to Episode 3 so I can't answer yet.
@@PerspectiveEndwould you consider doing a review once you’re done with all the episodes? i’ve seen lots of wildly different opinions about it and i’m rlly interested to hear what you’d have to say
Personally, season 1 is boring as hell. But season 2 is fairly fun and season 3 is peak. For a transformers cartoon not including Beast wars. It had a lot of good moments. Each character if you pay attention has a lot of traits that are consistent. It isn’t perfect tho some of your gripes are valid. I really suggest Emperor Kumquat’s videos on the series.
I do agree that it got better as it went on, hilariously it got better when the ran out of the content they planned to do. Season 2 and 3 were never supposed to exist. Season 1 told everything they wanted.
Average rotten tomatoes critic
Is that a good or bad thing?
@@PerspectiveEnd It goes either way, sometimes they have some of the most wtf reviews and the other times they are valid
@@PerspectiveEndone of the worst insults as a critic. The other guy just didn’t want to hurt your feelings
It would have been funny if there was an instance where someone else broke one of Ratchet's devices, And he yells "Bulkhead, I needed that!"
And Bulkhead says "It wasn't me!"
And Ratchet says "Sorry, Force of habit"
Speaking of the transformations not being designed, ever noticed this is one of the few shows without the transformation sequences, I think the only guy who had one designed was predaking and maybe shockwave
Like there's no canned animation that really focuses on how the whole thing goes down... Interesting that's a point I'd not considered.
What is the first thing you would immediately change about this show
I’ll say this though prime Optimus is basically bay Optimus if you just remove the psychopathic killer portion of him that’s also why I don’t like bay as well. He’s so boring outside of the fact that he’s a psychopath.
Who'd have thought bay Prime was only interesting because he was crazy.
I watched two videos where they give soundwave lines, and they fit in perfectly. Does that prove that this is still a. Good soundwave and they do a good job communicating or what he is thinking, or the silence was stupid
I have a fan, who's making a whole yotube channel about doing that with soundwave.
And did you see I made a new long form roast?
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regarding the dark tone, I'd argue Earthspark is way darker than Prime, as the issues the characters face like racism, family, heritage, legacy etc are way more grounded. Cybertron's fate is unknown to them and the humans are not willing to let them live on Earth. Also ES has a story to tell, not just a status quo with a few changes in settings episode after episode. Best TF show we've had imo.
I would tend to agree to all of these points.
what are your thoughts on old idw
im gonna try to make my optimus go back to his g1 roots, having a better sense of humor, being more caring, and not ripping off peoples faces (thats gonna be warpaths thing)he also isn't gonna start the series as a prime, hes gonna become one in the season 1 final
If you've read the new comic, that's what he's like there.
@@PerspectiveEndimage comics?
Good vid, as much as i dissagree, it is a well made analysis
But...
I have to dissagree with your take on prime, he isn't emotionless, he hides them, he has the burden of winning a war against the enemy he created, and has still an emotional bond with, that is his arc in the first season, accepting that his old friend is forever gone, wich leds to his fight at the end of season 1, you can actualy see the emotions in his eyes, it's subtle, but it's there
I'm glad you think so. I'm a bit disappointed in it my self. I feel like I had too much vitriol I needed to get out of my system before I could really give it a good analysis.
The argument I would make about prime, is that the emotion found through is eyes is up to interpretation. Also a Blind Transformers fan wouldn't be able to appreciate that.
@@PerspectiveEndOh definitely, seeing non TF fans interact w the media whether Prime ROTB Cyberverse or Netflix WFC trilogy when they do see Optimus on screen it’s just pure “omg can this guy stfu and relax already”. And it’s all Primes fault
@@PerspectiveEndfor blind people they still have peter cullen's voice, where he shows a lot of emotions, i will admit they should have made it more obvious (and the "primes don't party" joke DOESN'T HELP) and gave him more screen time, but it's still there
Prime was the first show I finished after growing up with the bayfilms and like 1 animated dvd, and my feelings of the show went from Adoring it as my fav series (by default) to kinda hating it after many flaws became more apparent to me, to learning more about the series production and lore to rewatching it and deciding... yeah its aight. I can like it depite it's flaws, and understand how the production led to alot of things having disappointing conclusions.
Then I watched both Animated and Beast Wars and those were so refreshing and thank god for Earthspark to chanelling that same energy after the slog of Prime Wars and Rid 15.
Also Animated Megatron was scarier than Prime Megs ever was.
I like TFP Optimus bc growing up he always reminded me of my father. Stern but caring
That's a perfectly reasonable reason to feel that way, but one that is specific to you. You can't blame me for not having that same experience.
I came on for season 3 and and after seeing early episode I get it, the big opening for season 3 had the Autobot flatfooted and on defenses while the Cons were wailing on the weekend Autobots.
I know this wasn't planned, but thank you for uploading this on my birthday!
Ps are you looking ford to the new mp rinox
Are you familer with ultra primal. He also has an animation background, and he praises the animation of this show, and this show ingeneral, and he also has been to animation school
My personal ranking of best TF shows are 1. Beast Wars 2. G1 3. Animated. Prime is so popular but I keep can't continue the series past certain episodes. Not sure why, but I guess it's kind of boring is apt. I think it's so popular because of the presentation (decent animation, decent attractive designs) and how it's the closest to the movies.
You mirror my feelings pretty much exactly. That's how I'd rate those shows, and yeah I too struggle to get through prime.
1.To be honest, prime soundwave is a glorified vehicon
2. 19:37 you had me laughing so much to the point it it woke my cat up 🤣
I like predaking & blackarachnia In the opening, who's the character beside optimus prime on the left side of the screen. It looks like a female don't recognize it.
What part are you talking about?
@@PerspectiveEnd At the beginning, there's a wall of figures behind you. The one beside optimus prime on the middle shelf. On the left.
I am on record for saying Prime did Optimus' mouth the best. However after some evaluation:
Beast Wars- Wrong Optimus, but still good
Beast Machines- Still wrong Optimus, but horrendous
Cybertron- Literally just Primal's mouth
Bayverse/ Knightverse- NO.
Animated- not terrible, i guess, but his supermodel lips are creepy.
Prime- i cannot unsee Pie Crust Prime, thanks.
Rescue Bots- I think this is Prime's best mouth, at least it's interesting.
Rid2015- Prime, but worse.
Cyberverse- not terrible, but not good.
Earthspark- he looks like handsome Squidward
RBA- Significantly worse than it's predecessor.
TfOne- i don't hate it. Yet.
More proof that Rescue Bots needs more love.
Congratulations on 5k dude!
Did this video really already make me lose 10K subscribers? All according to plan.
Prime had some interesting dialogue from side characters. Knockout was great. Excellent versions of Ratchet and Starscream. Arcee was almost good. But for all the promise of the setups, the stories just drifted from coherency. If the Autobots actually prevented the kids from hanging out around them, then they'd have avoided about 50% of the plot devices of the kids getting into trouble and having to be rescued. You now can look and instantly date the CGI physics to exactly that 2010-2015 era.
I think this Optimus just tries to show as little emotion as possible, so his crew always knows they have a steady calm leader to turn to
You can do that, and not come across emotionless.
Thank you, I thought it was just me and I'm missing something. I kept going back but never finished or wanted to know how it ends. I never cared and now it makes so much sense why that was.
I think you should understand that everything you said was based on your own preferences.
Prime has a plot in all of the 3 seasons, and character development for other transformers too.
Character Development: Smokescreen becomes more responsible and mature, RC gets much softer at the end of the series after dealing and reflecting on her past tragedies, Ultra magnus becomes a better team player and starts treating other autobots better, Bumblebee demonstrates his leadership skills in the movie.
About Optimus: I may agree that Prime seems emotionless in the show, but I'd never say that he feels cold. Optimus in the show tries to always stay rational and not show his emotions which is the effect of the matrix of leadership in this universe. Optimus never judges or presses on others, he's truly understanding, empathetic, and caring character. Through out the show, he has never punished or yelled at his teammates even when they made mistakes, instead he always allowed them to meet the consequences of their actions, so his autobots could learn on their mistakes.
Plot: the plot in the show isn't about nothing. The first 5 episodes are about stopping megatron and his dark energon army. After that we've got a bunch of filler episodes, that are completely fine and I'm sure that your favorite Beast Wars has plenty of it. Each of those fillers have introduced us new characters like Wheeljack, MECH, Breakdown and Knock Out, Arachnid. And the final episodes of season 1 are about fighting Unicron.
Season: return of Optimus prime to the Autobot's side, Tracing Relics, An unsuccessful try of restoring Cybertron.
Fights: Comparing EarthSpark's animation with Prime is as irrelevant as comparing Prime's Animation with Beast Wars. Prime's 1st season came out 14 years ago, and not all non disney-pixar 3D cartoons, that came out 14 years ago, look as good as prime nowadays. Moreover, not only the WheelJack and Magnus VS Predaking fight is good in the show, it's definitely the best, but each RC vs Arachnid, Optimus vs Megatron, Optimus VS DreadWing, Wheeljack vs Hatdshell, Megatron VS Insecticon fights are also decent.
Overall, Prime is objectively 6.5-7.0 out of 10 as a show. It has a consistent plot, characters, and animation.
To an Extent our biases and preferences will color our opinions, but we can do our best to detect them and account for their influence.
Smokescreen in the video to be the best handled character in the show.
Arcee is mildly less guarded by the end and the road of her development is rocky as hell because of clearly lacking planning.
I take it you didn't make it to the end of the video, because I also complimented magnus.
The movie is an aspect of the show that almost all of it's fans, want stricken from existence. And you can really say that a character in an 80 episode show was fine because in a movie that came after all that had them develop a little.
Even if he's not cold, I wouldn't describe this version of him as warm. You can explain his detachment, but that still leaves him detached and distant, and even when the matrix was offline, and he was orion pax again, he was not noticeably different. I'd argue it's not that he doesn't judge, it's that he doesn't care at all. A true leader has to yell at times, as unpleasant as it can be, it is a vital skill for a leader, as is the ability to discipline. Without discipline their troops will die on the battlefield.
Plot: "the plot in the show isn't about nothing. The first 5 episodes are about stopping megatron and his dark energon army. After that we've got a bunch of filler episodes." That means the show is about nothing. You can't say "Well the first 5 episodes had a goal, which was completed at the end, and then the rest of the show doesn't have one", because that just means the show as a whole doesn't have a plot.
Do you not see how there is no throughline there. The show is largely disconnected brief arcs that aren't building in any direction.
I disagree, animation isn't about Technology. It's about animation, which was practiced and refined for 100 years before Prime came out. The fundamental Animation of prime is lacking in the basics.
You like those fights, but as someone with a degree in this stuff I can tell you they lacked vision. And based on what I know about prime now, that makes total sense, because every episode of the show was EXTRORDINARILY rushed. They did not have time to plan anything about the fights out.
Prime is a 5 out of 10 at best, it lacks a plot of any kind, trapped in short arcs to do no lead anywhere just punctuated in filler that kills time between the next short arc. The animation is lifeless, the action rote and uninspired, and the characters bland and tasteless.
It's fine that you like it, you are not wrong to do so, but it is not good. It is the Stale Bread of the transformers.
Transformers Prime is essentially if you mixed Transfomers Animated with the live-action Bayverse movies and didn't use all the pieces.
what about the soundtrack, most of this review blended together for me, but thats at least good right
Oh yeah, I don't even remember what any of the music sounded like.
for me ost was bland. Brian Tyler's style may be seductive, but that's a bland work of him, ost for lego universe(2010, so it's not far away from tfp 2011) is waayy better, especially tracks like monument race or from surviving minigame
ok but the way they handled Soundwave was by far my favorite, like sure he's a prop but it's because you have the fill in the gaps yourself that he becomes intimidating. that being said, I totally understand why you don't like him.
now I gotta ask, would you take a new Prime or a new Beast machines type show ?
persoanlly I'd take a new beast machines since I really liked the setting and imo, if you fixed the designs it'll be alot more bearable.