Agreed yeah😌, i tried to look normal as possible although my mind is in a mess, thinking some weird things, random, creepy and sometimes kinda dirty :v
As sad as it sounds, I’m great at finding people and information through social media. Totally creepy but I promise I don’t use it to my advantage. Lol
SO TRUE. I think I have a fear of losing control which is essentially bad. I do like to obsessively analyse those I like. One dimensional people are the worst!
Wow! It seems to me (an intp) my subconscious is in control of me! I can only reflect my actions, statements, reasonings....ect. The only way I can understand why, the total opposite when evaluating others. crazy huh? Yet I'm so determined to help loved ones release the mental limits they allow. Not as indepth with everyone, more less my own family (wife, children) am I wrong? In need of a true receptive response!
You became the very thing you swore to destroy Anakin!! -an INFJ girl trying to figure out if my INTP best friend likes me still, after I friend zoned him and regretted
Sent it to my boyfriend who completely forgot about this mbti thing and the personality test I forced him to take last year..so he just replied with “???”
As a pro INTP, I don't ask questions, I observe actions. People don't speak the truth, they don't necessarily lie but they don't know their own truths usually... or it's the case that their words don't match their real intents. Most personality types are not in tune with their deep intentions, so there is no point in asking them questions, unless if for fun?
This is the one I agree with. It's not that people lie. I just don't trust them to be correct so I'd rather observe and ask questions only when I absolutely have to. I also don't like being intrusive at all.
People can lie to themselves or just be wrong. It's not what they say, it's what they do that matters. Studying behavioural patterns tells you so much more about a person. Once we have studied them in various situations and notice their patterns and know how they work we can relax around them. Then we can also be helpful to them, offering the support and guidance they might know they need. If you do it well they will never notice that you're helping them out. Subtle is the key word. If their lives improve, ideally by them making the best decisions and come to the right conclusions themselves (with gentle encouragement) - I'm happy.
Tell me about it. I have 7 siblings and not one of them is an INTP like me, not intellectual, and just plain not logical sometimes. I've always felt like there's an invisible wall separating me from them, not because any of us wants it that way but just because we see the world through such different eyes. It's disappointing, and disheartening. That's a rather dangerous mindset, I know, because it's influenced me to avoid relationships. How can I have a true partnership with anyone when my own family, who are all decent, non-abusive people, never really tried to connect with me?
@@DreamQuillRose I assume that you are a young person? If that's the case, then strive to get into good university where you can meet smart people. I am a grad student and to me classes are wonderful. I get to listen to smart people talking, explaining how the world works, share my opinions, and having my concept corrected (rebuilt) by them. It's such an enriching experience.
@@harunsuaidi7349 Actually, I'm 47. (I'm in good shape, though, and like many INTPs I look much younger, around 30.) I did indeed go to university, part-time while I worked full-time, so it took me 11 years to get a 4-year bachelor's degree, in software development. Part of the reason it took so long was because I didn't want to rush through my classes; I wanted to learn as much as I could about all sorts of interesting subjects and have the chance to talk with educated people. After I graduated I lost that. I stayed a cashier, as the world at large kind of receeded from my awareness for several years. I've been wondering if dating might help open the world back up some and give me the motivation to actually do something with my degree. I have noticed that I tend to be more motivated when other people are involved. When I worked on a group project in my last class, it was the first time in my life that I felt what they call 'synergy'. It was exciting, and fun! I stayed up until 3am for the first time in my entire life and wasn't even tired the next day at work! I suspect what I felt was what other people feel when they first fall in love - the same hormones being released, etc. That's what made me curious if that's the reason relationships are so strongly desired by most people. It's hard to understand what you've never had. I'd be interested in knowing what you and others think about this idea. And now with the pandemic, I haven't had the chance to look for a relationship. Ironic that I pick now to decide I might just be interested in dating, lol.
I'm an ENFP and my older brother is an INTP. I use to get so upset with him as a child, I always thought "He thinks he's better than everyone else." Now, as an adult, I find myself coming to him for advice all the time. He really helps me see things from a much more measured perspective, an absolute essential for us ENFPs. Great video, as always.
@@blueninja012 same with my younger sister, but she's infj, so it's by default mostly (maybe only) guesswork. I still don't know why she's pissed a year later, so I clearly screwed up something (or everything,, or nothing. Painful uncertainties.)
When an intp and an entp work together on a problem you get sensitive real world execution of a logically perfect (probably) solution. It's literally the type of team to move societal mountains.
The irony being that INTPs do a lot of things that would seem illogical to themselves if they were consistently honest about it. Their own behavior only appears logical relative to that of most other people, and only in certain areas. INTP logic can often be fundamentally broken, and to reveal that can require a far more consistent personality type like INTJ. Both types can rip each other to shreds, depending on what they're doing or talking about.
@@ETBrooD Yes indeed: As I often say: " The earth is flat, except: everywhere it is not!" To which some other INTP once replied: "Everything on earth is either a banana or not a banana"
Time is also a big one for introverts. If they are fond of you they'll actively choose to spend their time with you. Though this probably applies to every other type as well, introverts in particular tend to be hyper selective about who they choose to spend their time with.
Time is precious. I enjoy spending it in my head, with my thoughts/feelings. To interrupt that, the other person has to be more interesting. Just bc I’m solo or not actively doing something doesn’t mean I’m unoccupied.
You get a like! I feel like INTPs are the most realistic and honest when it comes to relationships (of any kind). Just because I "like" you doesn't mean you won't be scrutinized. If you're going to be a part of my internal system(s), then I need to integrate you slowly and carefully. It's the only way I can truly care for you.
As an INTP, I say that when I like somebody, it's still nice to be alone, but I just want to be alone with the person I like. So not really alone, just spending time with them silently.
When we INTP’s like you we will stick with you , either in crowds , social gatherings, or just around people. We talk a too you alot about the things we learned,like, or what we are thinking about . We are always there to help you fix your problems and remind you of the logical side of things.
I am an intp and I cant stand when someone comes to the right conclusion for the wrong reasons. Because it spells doom further down the road. Most of the the time the doom is beyond the horizon of what others can see. The Ti + Ne is like a crystal ball. Logic + inspiration (Ne) seems to give a unique perspective on the what if. You see it brach if in many possibke futures. Its like the mathematician and the gypsy tarrot reader women roled into one. Thats why it is hard to communicate the intuitions and hunches intp s have.
Vyshnav Reddy It turns out that if you make a RUclips comment involving your prediction...they don’t forget. I inadvertently predicted the crash of the stock market pre-Covid and incited panic. I had to edit my comment and do a follow up to mitigate the trauma.
@@AK-jt7kh Yup. I knew Covid would create the conditions for riots. Penned up for weeks/months, no work, no income, bored, irritated. Ignoring things like social distancing, masks etc. There is a lot to unpack. But you could predict it end jan/feb if you had the info.
Yes, YES, YES!! to the part about "correcting" the thinking of the people we love. It doesn't stem from some sort of superiority complex, I think - there are a lot of things I'm not skilled at/informed about and I can easily admit it when I don't have the information/skill required for a particular task - but there are things everyone can do to make their life easier, and I'm the first one to share them with others. Like you said - we want others to /thrive/ on their own, not dance to our tune. (That would be kind of a nuisance, actually.) And we succeed sometimes - partly thanks to my advice, I've watched my mom grow stronger over the past years, even though her marriage is in shambles and her workplace gets more toxic by the day. She approaches things from a different, unemotional perspective now, and doesn't let herself get hindered by the fact that my father is an alcoholic or her co-workers suck absolute ass. I've even heard her pass the things I say to her to other people, and it certainly warms my robot heart.
Great comment!!! I recently bought my mother a phone to get her onto Facebook in order to have a "social life" during the lockdown period and eventually start selling things on there (which she's doing). She's picked it up quickly and naturally so it feels good indeed, despite the addictive nature of these platforms I think her generation have a more balanced approach to it (which was factored in to the plan) ~ Nathan
Wow yes! Similar. My mother calls me her therapist I feel exactly the same way. If I KNOW how to point someone in the right direction I feel an obligation to do so. Weirdly enough, even in cases where I could possibly sabotage myself or their best interest might cause me issues. That’s always irrelevant to me personally. But a whole other thing. Yeah I just feel compelled to provide that change in perspective and bring to light what I think they can use to better their circumstances 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ Sometimes I feel annoying as hell for doing it. Sometimes quite offended if I’m unheard. And sometimes if I don’t get through, I stay away for a while bc it’s frustrating to SEE something someone else can’t. And just like you said, when people do listen to me, they do so well We definitely do not come from any place of superiority complex. It’s just how we care. We choose to care or love and opt out of the wishy washiness of feelings
@@nina3538 "Sometimes I feel annoying as hell for doing it. Sometimes quite offended if I’m unheard. And sometimes if I don’t get through, I stay away for a while bc it’s frustrating to SEE something someone else can’t." Oh my god, YES. I didn't mention that part, and you hit the nail on the head. We are aware that our efforts may be mistaken for something else, that others may simply consider us annoying. And it's exactly the same for me - when my advice isn't taken seriously (for instance, someone agrees with me, but only to let me hear what I want to hear, then proceeds to do the same) I tend to shut off or act stand-offish, and it does take a toll on my relationships sometimes. Still, glad to know it's something I share with other INTPs!
@@anuuuul Daaamn ! You just described me and 2 of my childhood besties that I decided to just keep at a distance now, because we're under a HEAVY disagreement about 2 topics that are vital part of my own identity, but treated as an afterthought by them, and despites my intimate knowledge of these topics, each time I try to speak about it with them and try to educate them about it, they just either completely shut down like clams, or brush it under the carpet, constantly repeating the same broken records they've been spouting for well over a decade now, never even flinching an inch forward from all their glorious bad faith... These guys are men that have been my absolute besties for over 30 years, now, friends that are integral part of how I built myself up to become the man I am today, and it crushes my soul to now have to distance myself from them (since a year, now), because our arguments are simply starting to really corrode my mental health. And even if it destroys me to keep a distance, it's still the least hurtful situation than just keep hanging out with them. For decades, we used to always hang out at a moment's notice, and now, it's a miracle if I (reluctantly) see them once every 2-3 months, just for nostalgia's sake, and a twisted sense of loyalty not to them anymore, but to the defunct 30 years long friendship we used to have together. I still love them, but I simply don't feel any joy in being with them anymore coz I know that each time we're gonna hang out, they won't be able to help it, there's gonna be a snarky slip of the tongue in either one of the topics I mentioned earlier, and all the good time we'd had for the rest of the evening will just crumble in my head and I'll be the one to suddenly clam up and it will just spell a gloomy vibe for the whole evening (or maybe I'll be the only one feeling gloomy and they'll still continue to have fun with our other common friends without even noticing my sudden sullen silence, I don't know, since by that point, I'd have stopped caring already...).
This video is going into my collection as part of my owners manual for those who own a part of my heart. Thank you for this. Also I find as I get older, the more challenging, different, and complex the person to be figured out, the more fascinated I become.
interesting take on it. Funny this popped up. I am not an intp anymore, consistently entp now, been working on alot of growth in the last 4 years, also very much in tune with my emotions now. I was also was too open before like hard to make a decision and stick to it. Now I'm not so open, and it has helped me so much to be more structured and get things done. I guess I am saying that change is possible if you are unhappy with anything about personality structure. My thoughts
@@sw1216 so you gain energy from being out around more than a select few people? or do you still get drained if there are too many people for too long?
@@elnogo9196 Yes, I get energy from being around people, although I do still require alone time because I like it too but where people used to be draining they are now energizing, but the level of energy is not always the same and some people, like negative people, drain me but its not too much. It used to be everyone was draining, but no more. 🙂
This description is pretty accurate and, yes, we'll ask a bunch of questions, analyse you as a whole and correct what we perceive as misguided thoughts or actions, but we do it when we want you to do better, when we want to help and take care of you. As an ITNP, it doesn't make sense to spend so much time and mental energy with someone unless we genuinely care about that person. We have the urge of understading "why", but sharing our full insights is reserved to people we value the most
That's great to hear. I really do think that the notion that we are the sum of the five people we spend the most time with is accurate, so it really pays off to have logical people around you ~ Nathan
"The more they can predict you, the better they will feel" - I do not believe this is universally applicable. At least some subset of INTPs will seek out friends and partners that introduce Entropy and Chaos into their lives, and they will be okay with that insofar as they also feel they are able to understand them just enough to have control over the aspects they need control over. That is to say, they will seek out novelty generators, and latch onto them; but, said novelty generators still need to be predictable enough to feel safe to them in the areas they need/want to feel safe in.
I think you’re missing the bottom line though. It is the attempt to solve the chaotic puzzle that is the lure. It’s one of the things that makes humans interesting. The more difficult they are to solve, the more fascinating, perhaps? Obviously there is a limit.
Emmy B You’ve gotta take a better test though. 16 personalities is based off the big 5, not MBTI. Not that MBTI is any better...but 16 personalities is just masquerading as the MBTI. That’s my understanding of it at any rate. The test usually seems to mistype people when compared to the results of Objective Personality, which are accurate to a 90%+ in a double blind study
@@AK-jt7kh I disagree. There will be some subset that might be drawn to the puzzle aspect of it, sure. But, there is an intrinsic need for some to seek out new situations and experiences. They would be attracted to the movement aspects, the extroverted energy drawing them out of themselves and into the world such that they find themselves in frequent contact with new experiences and situations. One can think of it in two prominent ways. . There will be that aspect of them that wants to "stress test" their systems, theories, and assumptions, such that they develop the most robust systems and frameworks through periodic descents into chaos, which is introduced to them via their "novelty generator" (aka partner in crime). They will rely on that outside force to propel them into new situations and experiences, which they will use as feedback to refine their theories and assumptions. . Additionally, there is that aspect wherein the mere presence of their partner in crime increases the ambient availability of new data because of increased exposure to new situations and experiences, which is then used as input toward new lines of consideration, and the development of new models, systems, frameworks, insights, and understandings. . Neither of those two is necessarily concerned with debugging and understanding their partner in crime, so much as bearing witness to the beautiful force of nature that they are, and being carried along for the ride. But, there will be certain aspects of their life that they need control over in order to feel secure being in such a relationship, and it will often be related toward one of their fundamental systems of understanding, or their need for security/comfort. And, they will need to have some degree of predictability concerning those specific areas to feel comfortable being forced into so many uncomfortable situations. . I might add, that even with your presumed bottom line, that of the chaotic puzzle of their partner in crime being the lure, the need to figure them out and understand what makes them tick. That has no intrinsic link or connection to the statement: "The more they can predict you, the better they will feel", which is what I was addressing my comment toward. What is being discussed is the genesis of a relationship, which means that that statement, the one I am addressing, is antithetical to your presumption. In essence, you would be in alignment with me in saying “I do not believe this is universally applicable, and here is this third reason in addition to the two this guy is espousing.”
Donald Clements obviously the “more they can predict you, the better they feel” is an overgeneralization. I think you and I can both recognize that such a statement is never unanimously factual. It paints an abstract picture of a generalization. It’s like saying the more questions a person asks the more they learn. That is not necessarily true, but it is an overarching generalization that is true for the popular majority. So why bother contradicting such a statement? Anyways. Insofar as your assessment of attraction and INTPs is concerned, I think you’re right in suggesting different ways in which INTPs could find (extroverted people, in particular) attractive. You’re wrong to suggest that the idea that these attractive aspects and the desire to “figure out” the person are mutually exclusive. If you’re trying to say that fighting someone out is not always the primary motivation, I could agree with you. But if you’re trying to say that an INTP would date such a person without desiring to figure them out - I disagree. Everything in my knowledge of typology based on my classes with OP, and everything in my experience based on my discussions with many self-proclaimed INTPs - would disagree with this. So unless you have evidence, I think that, should the aforementioned be your stance, we’re at a standstill.
If an inexperienced INTP likes you, they will enthusiastically introduce you to their current thinking problems. Experienced INTPs adapt the topic of their communication to the audience. They separate their harsh world of thoughts from their communication in the same way they separate leisure time and work from one another. Its very important to have peace at home / in a relationship. INTPs leave relationship if it drains too much energy. INTPs never want to lose their independence. INTPs need a lot of free time away from side worries in order to focus on important quests.
If an intp clearly has an affection for you and it has peaked your interest i implore you to talk to them 1 on 1. We are awful in group settings but if you could have a meaningful conversation them that is when an intp will expose their charm and thus essentially what they bring to the table as a romantic interest. Because even though our greatest weakness is in the realm social interaction intps are probably the most interesting and entertaining people to talk to if you like to have deep conversations
As an INTP, I’ve never understood the games people play, I’m always very upfront with how I’m feeling (making the first move) and am always working to stay logical so that I can see exactly what’s going on without fooling myself
My INTP is always good at pointing out my logical inconsistencies when I am emotional. I am not a very emotional person but I was widowed 6 mos ago ...generally when not recovering from trauma I am a cool calm collected rational INTJ. But in his sweet INTP way he is very understanding when I go off the rails a bit thinking I could have done some thing, anything at all, to prevent my fprmer mate's death. It is so wonderful that he never gets jealous of my feelings. I told him early on each person we love: my grandfather, my grandmother, a prior husband who died, and then this one I was with 41 years...each I loved differently based on who THEY were and no one ever replaces someone we have loved IMO they have a unique spot of our brain that belongs to them...I said love is additive...we can love someone new for who THEY are...and I DO love my INTP and he knows it. Most men would get frustrated when I refer to my past but not him, he wants to know ALL about me as I do him. I am refering to my former mate of 41 years less and less...he is still with me in my head just like all those others I have loved, but my life is now shared with my lovely INTP....We really are good to and for each other.
this makes a ton of sense. i'm an INTP with an INFP female friend. while i don't like her romantically, i still trust her enough to drop the tough guy Ti-exterior and bring out the lower Fe. when she confides in me though, i take the approach you said in the video. trying to point out the logical inconsistencies and fallacies in one's way of thinking. she has said it's very different from the type of support she's used to getting, but says that it helps her a lot. i could definitely see us being together, but frankly i think we work better as close friends. we balance each other out in a way; she brings out the lower Fe in me (i'm a lot more vulnerable, squishy, and affectionate around her. seriously, you'd think i was an IXFJ if you saw how i act around her), and i logically put things into perspective for her when she's stressed (lower Te, i guess? even though it's mostly Ti talking on my part).
In other words: If an INTP likes you☺️ they will analyze and observe you to become your…. ULTIMATE life coach/therapist😂😂 now i know why i always think so business-and value principles and theories over emotions when taking decisions
good video, but because of Fe inferior INTP's worry that other people are bad, we have a moral expectation of other people, so if a friend is pursuing something amoral we are *less likely* to help.
I thought us INTPs didn't really care for morals at all, other than the fact that they're logical in society, am I misinformed? also, as an INTP I don't feel like I think too much about morals other than if they're gonna do some kind of damage to someone else's life
@@blueninja012 you're not misinformed, but you are missing out on important information: Fi is morals. which INTP's don't have, so you are right in the fact that intp's don't think too much about what is right and wrong themselves, but(this is the important part) intp's have Fe which expects *others* to have Fi(morals). the same way we expect others to have Te and listen to our Ti. we want to consume the morality of other people. as a rule of thumb, extroverted/external functions want to consume introverted/internal functions. so our Fe in the 4th slots expects a person to have Fi to be developed just as much as our Fe. we are ethical, we wan't to absorb the internal Feeling functions of others. just like how making someone laugh gives us enjoyment, we want other people to be good people (at least to the extent of Fi in the 4th slot, which to be fair isn't that high, but the need still exists.) if this doesn't seem true to you, you are either not an INTP or your Fe is extremely underdeveloped.
0:45 deadass though, one of the main reasons i’m so into this whole mbti thing is bc it rlly just makes sense. it also helps me in figuring what kind of person someone is right off the bat just by knowing their personality type lol. tbh, ever since i got into it, i’ve started associating people’s actions with everything mbti 😂
The analyser analysed, and right on point with that... what a loop!! xD "Like someone who speaks a different language from the people around them" was a great analogy. It requires a long time, for INTPs who are interested in communicating well with others, to let their guard down, or should I say... their filter down. In the meantime, it really is like speaking another language.
That was the best way I could encapsulate it, it's incredible how to people can talk completely past each other in conversation and get ever more frustrated with each other. Another issue is that you can logically decide to adjust your approach to account for the more emotional arguments/points coming your way but it's rarely reciprocated! Letting your filter down is definitely something that takes a loooooong time ~ Nathan
" When an Intp is surrounded by people especially people they care about and are closed to, who they think are not logical or not capable of being rational and reasonable consistently they will feel very lonely and isolated like someone who speaks a different language from people around them "
My bf (INTP obviously) followed those exact steps when we started to know each other better. He's the only one I trust about my ideas and visions cause I know his judgement will be logic only, nothing to do with pleasing me. And as an INTJ this is one of the things I was missing.
In the first "chattings" with my crush i had this semi-robotic conversations that were question after question (most of them, with a romantic setting) which we remembered funnily as "Interrogations", now seing "polite interrogations" in the video makes me laugh so damn hard, holy cow. The final "whatever you do, do it logically" as great too, although i use "whatever you do, be internally coherent" which i suppose is kinda the same.
There is a point in the journey of analyzing someone when my judgement gets very murky. For example, If I’m in too deep and I found out he wears women’s underwear.. I guess I’m going to have to help him so he can make smarter choices on brand and quality. If I find a pattern of behavior I dislike about someone I chose to be around, I like to know to expect it so i can navigate around it. I have a best friend of 8 years who would make crazy, irrational and impulsive decisions but it was consistent to her character. I knew how to handle it but I would never stop trying to have her think first before her actions.
Excellent comment, I nodded along whilst also laughing out loud at one point! Also great to see you here in the comments section, haven't seen you on the discord for a while. If you're on there feel free to DM me at any point ~ Nathan
Omg this hit so hard. I'm amazed that this confusing thing as personality can have such structure. It's like a cheat sheet into learning how to deal with persons...
So there's this INTP guy that likes me for sure.. But he acts so confusingly like for once he'll take initiative to spend time with me and next day he'll ignore me like I don't exits....still my gut tells me he has feelings for me.. But how in the world I make him ask me out while I feel awkward to approach him myself _INFJ And the personal adviser part is so true.. He's so supportive towards me that at 1st I mistyped him of being ENFJ😅
This is so true and also something I’ve known about myself for quite some time now but I’ve always kept those realizations about myself to myself because I’m afraid others might not understand where I’m coming from.
"If you are an INTP, it will be a very logical move to go down into the video description.." you made me smirk, you know how to con us you cheeky bugger. Already liked and subscribed ^^
"Bugger" implies British... well hopefully you discovered our Discord server in the description and checked it out. Feel free to message me on there if you do! ~ Nathan
Sending this video to your partner to let it explain your feelings instead saying your feelings yourself, is one of the most Intp things you can do in a relationship
That "power behind the throne" metaphor hit me hard. I teach music for a living and while the fantasy of being a famous musician has always haunted me, I have over time accepted that I weirdly prefer teaching the tricks and systems that might help someone else become that star on stage, from behind the curtain so to speak. I just love teaching and inconspicuously planting the seeds. Plus, all that time doing promotional work, on the road away from home comforts for months at a time, meeting hundreds of random faces in numerous locations, the pressure of performing night after night and recording deadlines... I'm not cut out for that. I feel so much more in my element to give knowledge and let someone with far more charisma and extroverted energy take that to its ultimate creative conclusion. They are my babies. Fly, my pretties.
I just had the image of me as a builder... repeatedly hitting the nail... Also if you haven't already feel free to check out the discord server! Feel free to message me on there if you do ~ Nathan
I will say this is not 'just romantic'. I do this for friendships and close coworkers. I need to be able to predict your behavior 70-85% accurately if I am going to spend either 1) a substantial amount of time with you in close proximity, or 2) disclose personal information and want to be influenced by you
I have found myself analyzing someone's behavior and the dilemma they find themselves in. I strip everything down to their evolutionary motive. The people that I care about, I will gently guide them to my understanding. Try to anyway. At times I lose my patience and just tell them. Not in a mean way, just matter of fact-ly. I have been accused of being cold...more times than I care to. But the upside is, I'm known for being genuine and trustworthy. Fair trade off.~INTP I truly enjoy your content. Thank you.
As an INTP I love solving puzzles and my mind found the most unpredictable and confusing person I've met and decided. yes. I like them. I don't know how I feel about this, they're consistent enough not to drive me crazy but also alien though that may just be the Extroversion in them talking.
so true. i have gay, hetero, caucasian, asian, arabic, female, male...(you get the point) friends and they all say im "chill to be with" because i dont judge i just observe and try to understand/learn. basicly my only "dealbreaker" is if you cant "sit in silence" now and then. certain personalitys cant bear silence and always initiate smalltalk..ALWAYS! ^^ i cant keep up with that. but if they have a problem im usally the adviser for whats logical when its "brain vs heart".
I liked this person(not romantically but platonically) and I did pointed out their logic inconsistencies and be their personal adviser. I have multiple times where I didnt get enough sleep just to help them with their problems. However, they were never actually trying to improve on the advice I gave and I soon cant stand it anymore and I gave up on the person and simply distanced them as I cant rlly just block them out cuz we go to the same school. considering that I did told them about this and wanted to fix the problem. I felt better in general afterwards that person was one heck of a grimelord and I realized almost everything I heard about them is rants and I simply couldn't handle it.
I kinda feel both validated and called out very shortly in. Very poor social skills when younger, or maybe a strong disposition towards being alone. The analysing behaviour.. was definitely accurate.
Its very interesting that INTPs tends to analyse and even scrutinise the logical inconsistencies of the people they like rather than idealise them. I'm not saying the latter is the norm, it just seems more likely with people to believe their loved ones or even the people they like are cared for, for a valid reasons... if that makes sense. Almost like self-validation of "yes, look! i knew i liked/loved this person for a reason." either way its definitely a trait to appreciate.
I ask questions and then observe for a long time just to see how their words and their actions contradict. So fun to see them go about the world in their delusion and when they do not contradict is when I REALLY get interested in someone.
I never crossed the bridge of being impolite in persuit of my understanding and I’m glad that I didn’t because apparently there’s something wrong with it but also a hard pill to swallow as an intp is that some times people just don’t like you and there is no understanding in that no reason or rhythm you can’t understand it but that doesn’t mean it’s not to be understood. No matter how advanced you analysis becomes or how counter intuitively you break from the mold or try to shape even how they perceive you through countless variables there’s just no understanding sometimes on *why* especially when dealing with girls you will never get an answer because they don’t know themselves and so there’s no point in analyzing them
Hi I just found this RUclips video after realizing I’m a intp this video actually kinda helped a lot and Ima sub and watch more. Been going through a rough time but this made me sort of understand there’s nothing wrong with me sometimes 2 people just don’t mix
Everything here is very applicable to me when I like someone, except for the reason for correcting someone, I do that just because I want things to be correct, not necessarily out of care, after all I am an ENTP
Accurate! 😂 I put time and effort in explaining to myself why I like this person and I could'nt not like them, because there are grounded reasons to do so and therefore it's not me being stupid & emotional as I feel l am because of my 😮 feelings
"Correct your thinking" Wow this Video is so accurat :D I am ENFP with BPD and my Boyfriend is INTP. He often gets very sick of my extrem emotions and mood swings, otherwise he really really enjoys to analyse and solve the mess in my head ;D I must say he really could help me, his thinking is so smart and complex, it's like he opens whole new worlds of thinking and perspectives in my head uwu
I'm an INTP. My wife is an ENFP with BPD. I can honestly say that, yes, the emotional extremes do cause a lot of frustration. Much of that is in her not taking action on what she learns from past actions/behaviours that I can clearly see have repeatedly triggered emotional turmoil. When I remind her, she is fully aware of this, but she needs the reminder. I accept that we can't help how we feel. But we must learn and grow from the recognisable patterns that emerge out of our past. What I really love to see in my wife is self confidence and taking control of situations. I cannot tell you how much that thrills me. I have a very paternal relationship with her. I don't mean that to sound creepy, because it really isn't in practice. I want to see her grow, take control of her inner self and become the powerful, confident woman I know she is.
@@epiphany55 Hi thanks very much for your response. I wanted to answer immediately but yeah I couldn't manage that. I guess there're a lot of similarities between our relationships. Sometimes my bpd makes me think my bf is only sick of me but your text motivated me and your wife has luck to have you as such a good caretaker. What is hard for me sometimes, that he as intp has not that much emotions but me as enfp kind of live from connecting with others with there emotions, so I want especially connect with him. If he won't show me emotions and I can't connect I kind of feel rejected from him and yeah bpd does the rest that I often feel very lonely and he can't understand this, because for him emotions aren't that necessary
@@xMariki I may be biased but emotions do not solve a lot of life's problems, they just tell you how you feel about them. I always tell my wife "you can't help what you feel, but you can help what you do". And I want to see her do what is required to make the suffering that comes with her emotional turmoil pass as quickly and efficiently as possible, BPD or not. That also means consciously avoiding situations that I can see, from past experience, have triggered a cycle of negative emotions. So I am always on guard with that and will remind her, along with reminding her I am doing this because I love her. I will not pander to her emotions if they are sending her down the same destructive path I have seen her go down numerous times before. And yes, sometimes it can seem harsh or like a rejection of those feelings. But it's not a rejection of HER. It's a rejection of certain ways of thinking that do more harm than good. Your bf needs to learn how to balance accepting the existence of your emotions, comforting you with guidance and love and most importantly inviting you out of the destructive cycle those emotions perpetually trap you within. There is no rejection of you if there is guidance out of suffering. A partner of someone with BPD shouldn't be cold or unresponsive, but someone who will be "zero tolerance" of letting your emotions dictate actions that they know are destructive or unproductive. It's a very delicate and challenging task for anyone, but INTPs should be more than equipped to balance things in your favour in the longer term. They may just need space and time to recharge and be there for you when they are at their strongest.
When INTP likes you
They talk
Spot on 😂😂😂😂
Just not very well 😂
They will talk but in mind
Very awkwardly but true
Or always be near you. We don’t talk; we just like your energy. 😂
If an INTP likes you, ......we'll acknowledge you exist. Why this isn't enough to make you swoon is one of life's greatest mysteries.
lol. Sounds like reciprocating bias.
brooo
brooo too true
How romantic 😍
lmao
The sad thing about me is that he does exactly that and I, indeed, swoon.
Basically, we, INTPs are creeps trying to act as uncreepy as possible lmao
Agreed yeah😌, i tried to look normal as possible although my mind is in a mess, thinking some weird things, random, creepy and sometimes kinda dirty :v
that's such a greasy statement. that song plays in my head... I relate
😄too true
@@Heyits_Mai makes me wish I was younger before I realized I just be thinking about random stuff 24/7
As sad as it sounds, I’m great at finding people and information through social media. Totally creepy but I promise I don’t use it to my advantage. Lol
"when an INTP likes you..." Step 1: don't be too flattered
Why not ?
@@Bookooky It is a joke because the video said "Don't feel too flattered, they analyse everything"
Wish I'd put that one as point one now! ~ Nathan
@@Bookooky becouse it's tiresome and annoying for you, most of the times...
I get it but eh, I feel the opposite: be VERY flattered because I don’t, *can’t* love a lot of people. So you must be pretty special indeed 😉
"The more they can predict you the better they will feel"
This man be telling me things about myself I havent even realised were true yet.
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Lmao ikr
What's creepy I literally came to this conclusion like a week ago lmao
I'm raising my cup of tea to this comment and saying "here's to predicting the people we care about (in a nice way)" ~ Nathan
SO TRUE. I think I have a fear of losing control which is essentially bad. I do like to obsessively analyse those I like. One dimensional people are the worst!
I love how most of those comments are just intps trying to find out more about themselves, to ANALYZE themselves.
somebody explain my actions
Wow! It seems to me (an intp) my subconscious is in control of me! I can only reflect my actions, statements, reasonings....ect. The only way I can understand why, the total opposite when evaluating others. crazy huh? Yet I'm so determined to help loved ones release the mental limits they allow. Not as indepth with everyone, more less my own family (wife, children) am I wrong? In need of a true receptive response!
You became the very thing you swore to destroy Anakin!!
-an INFJ girl trying to figure out if my INTP best friend likes me still, after I friend zoned him and regretted
Yup
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sending this to my girlfriend with no interest in personality types
-INTP
Sending this to my boyfriend with no interest in personality types
-INTP
Sending this to my fucking shadow bc who needs partners
-INTP
@@humanposer6433 Time to wake ENTJ-chan
Sending this to my mom who thinks I have a superiority complex
-INTP
Sent it to my boyfriend who completely forgot about this mbti thing and the personality test I forced him to take last year..so he just replied with “???”
As a pro INTP, I don't ask questions, I observe actions. People don't speak the truth, they don't necessarily lie but they don't know their own truths usually... or it's the case that their words don't match their real intents. Most personality types are not in tune with their deep intentions, so there is no point in asking them questions, unless if for fun?
Very, very well said. Observing actions is extremely powerful indeed ~ Nathan
This is the one I agree with. It's not that people lie. I just don't trust them to be correct so I'd rather observe and ask questions only when I absolutely have to. I also don't like being intrusive at all.
This.
People can lie to themselves or just be wrong. It's not what they say, it's what they do that matters. Studying behavioural patterns tells you so much more about a person. Once we have studied them in various situations and notice their patterns and know how they work we can relax around them. Then we can also be helpful to them, offering the support and guidance they might know they need. If you do it well they will never notice that you're helping them out. Subtle is the key word. If their lives improve, ideally by them making the best decisions and come to the right conclusions themselves (with gentle encouragement) - I'm happy.
صحيح 👌
"polite interrogation" might be the accurate words to describe when you dating me lol🤣
Polite interrogation hahaha! It’s like a full on interview!
It will be fun if you interview me back lol🤣 just sharing each other's mind, opinions, and favorites...
or "well intentioned stalking" when the INTP is on get-to-know their love interest phase
@@hmstransit909 yess that is true hahaha!😂
Yes... like a 'good cop' situation ~ Nathan
You are absolutely correct when you say being with illogical person feels like speaking in different languages.
Yes, it's hard to articulate how isolating it can be! ~ Nathan
Tell me about it. I have 7 siblings and not one of them is an INTP like me, not intellectual, and just plain not logical sometimes. I've always felt like there's an invisible wall separating me from them, not because any of us wants it that way but just because we see the world through such different eyes. It's disappointing, and disheartening.
That's a rather dangerous mindset, I know, because it's influenced me to avoid relationships. How can I have a true partnership with anyone when my own family, who are all decent, non-abusive people, never really tried to connect with me?
@@DreamQuillRose I assume that you are a young person? If that's the case, then strive to get into good university where you can meet smart people. I am a grad student and to me classes are wonderful. I get to listen to smart people talking, explaining how the world works, share my opinions, and having my concept corrected (rebuilt) by them. It's such an enriching experience.
@@harunsuaidi7349 Actually, I'm 47. (I'm in good shape, though, and like many INTPs I look much younger, around 30.) I did indeed go to university, part-time while I worked full-time, so it took me 11 years to get a 4-year bachelor's degree, in software development. Part of the reason it took so long was because I didn't want to rush through my classes; I wanted to learn as much as I could about all sorts of interesting subjects and have the chance to talk with educated people.
After I graduated I lost that. I stayed a cashier, as the world at large kind of receeded from my awareness for several years.
I've been wondering if dating might help open the world back up some and give me the motivation to actually do something with my degree. I have noticed that I tend to be more motivated when other people are involved. When I worked on a group project in my last class, it was the first time in my life that I felt what they call 'synergy'. It was exciting, and fun! I stayed up until 3am for the first time in my entire life and wasn't even tired the next day at work! I suspect what I felt was what other people feel when they first fall in love - the same hormones being released, etc. That's what made me curious if that's the reason relationships are so strongly desired by most people. It's hard to understand what you've never had. I'd be interested in knowing what you and others think about this idea.
And now with the pandemic, I haven't had the chance to look for a relationship. Ironic that I pick now to decide I might just be interested in dating, lol.
@@DreamQuillRose wait there are hormones released when you meet someone? I'll have to try this, well, maybe next life.
I'm an ENFP and my older brother is an INTP. I use to get so upset with him as a child, I always thought "He thinks he's better than everyone else." Now, as an adult, I find myself coming to him for advice all the time. He really helps me see things from a much more measured perspective, an absolute essential for us ENFPs. Great video, as always.
currently my younger brother absolutely despises me, maybe one day he'll realize that I'm trying to help
@@blueninja012 same with my younger sister, but she's infj, so it's by default mostly (maybe only) guesswork. I still don't know why she's pissed a year later, so I clearly screwed up something (or everything,, or nothing. Painful uncertainties.)
That's a fascinating dynamic to have when it works well - which it seems like it does with the both of you! ~ Nathan
When an intp and an entp work together on a problem you get sensitive real world execution of a logically perfect (probably) solution. It's literally the type of team to move societal mountains.
@@schleybailey I often find myself wishing I was more of an ENTP.... alas, I am ENTPs red headed cousin.
"Whatever you do, do it logically" six words that best describes the INTP type to me.
This is indeed an INTP mantra it seems ~ Nathan
The irony being that INTPs do a lot of things that would seem illogical to themselves if they were consistently honest about it. Their own behavior only appears logical relative to that of most other people, and only in certain areas. INTP logic can often be fundamentally broken, and to reveal that can require a far more consistent personality type like INTJ.
Both types can rip each other to shreds, depending on what they're doing or talking about.
@@ETBrooD Yes indeed: As I often say: " The earth is flat, except: everywhere it is not!" To which some other INTP once replied: "Everything on earth is either a banana or not a banana"
Time is also a big one for introverts. If they are fond of you they'll actively choose to spend their time with you. Though this probably applies to every other type as well, introverts in particular tend to be hyper selective about who they choose to spend their time with.
Yes !!
Precisely, it's even more of a sign when an introvert initiates interactions with you ~ Nathan
That one is so true it hurts
Time is precious. I enjoy spending it in my head, with my thoughts/feelings. To interrupt that, the other person has to be more interesting. Just bc I’m solo or not actively doing something doesn’t mean I’m unoccupied.
You get a like!
I feel like INTPs are the most realistic and honest when it comes to relationships (of any kind). Just because I "like" you doesn't mean you won't be scrutinized.
If you're going to be a part of my internal system(s), then I need to integrate you slowly and carefully. It's the only way I can truly care for you.
Very well said ~ Nathan
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My problem is that I get bored with people too quickly because of analysing. They become too predictable
Sounds like you need an infj in your life 🙂 I am starting to realize an intp or Entp would probably be my best suiter
that's why i date an infj. he looks like any other ordinary people. he looks easy to predict. but BOI
@@justforfun9650 😂 we are not even aware of it
That’s actually an unhealthy trait of INTP
@@meep8030 I figured 😬 I am trying to change it, do you have any advice?
So they dont want us to be stupid...How romantic!😍
Who says romance is dead! ~ Nathan
I think I am being stupid for liking him and changing myself because I wanna learn his ways.
Einstein an INTP said that human stupidity is infinite. Mark Twain likely an INTP said that what most people know ain't so
actually, I think I'm ready to try stupid. could be refreshing
It means we have hope for you! The rest are beyond saving 😂
As an INTP, I say that when I like somebody, it's still nice to be alone, but I just want to be alone with the person I like. So not really alone, just spending time with them silently.
When we INTP’s like you we will stick with you , either in crowds , social gatherings, or just around people. We talk a too you alot about the things we learned,like, or what we are thinking about . We are always there to help you fix your problems and remind you of the logical side of things.
I am an intp and I cant stand when someone comes to the right conclusion for the wrong reasons. Because it spells doom further down the road. Most of the the time the doom is beyond the horizon of what others can see. The Ti + Ne is like a crystal ball. Logic + inspiration (Ne) seems to give a unique perspective on the what if. You see it brach if in many possibke futures. Its like the mathematician and the gypsy tarrot reader women roled into one.
Thats why it is hard to communicate the intuitions and hunches intp s have.
Yeah, and every time one of dreaded predictions comes true, people would have forgotten my warning. Oh well, can't win them all.
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@@vyshnavreddy9201 or worse act like its your fault this happened since you told them it would go wrong.
Vyshnav Reddy It turns out that if you make a RUclips comment involving your prediction...they don’t forget. I inadvertently predicted the crash of the stock market pre-Covid and incited panic. I had to edit my comment and do a follow up to mitigate the trauma.
@@AK-jt7kh Yup. I knew Covid would create the conditions for riots. Penned up for weeks/months, no work, no income, bored, irritated. Ignoring things like social distancing, masks etc. There is a lot to unpack. But you could predict it end jan/feb if you had the info.
"You know...typical romantic stuff". I'm laughing out loud at the sarcastic realization, and at the same time think...'well isn't it..? 🙄" Haha!
Technically... I guess it is kind of romantic yes! ~ Nathan
That one made me guffaw too
On first dates, the guy has told me he feels like he’s at an interview-ISTP
Accurate
- INTP
Means your INTP was probably interested and impressed by you(genuinely)
Hopefully one of them got the job! ~ Nathan
Yes, YES, YES!! to the part about "correcting" the thinking of the people we love. It doesn't stem from some sort of superiority complex, I think - there are a lot of things I'm not skilled at/informed about and I can easily admit it when I don't have the information/skill required for a particular task - but there are things everyone can do to make their life easier, and I'm the first one to share them with others. Like you said - we want others to /thrive/ on their own, not dance to our tune. (That would be kind of a nuisance, actually.)
And we succeed sometimes - partly thanks to my advice, I've watched my mom grow stronger over the past years, even though her marriage is in shambles and her workplace gets more toxic by the day. She approaches things from a different, unemotional perspective now, and doesn't let herself get hindered by the fact that my father is an alcoholic or her co-workers suck absolute ass. I've even heard her pass the things I say to her to other people, and it certainly warms my robot heart.
OMG yes! I couldn't have said it better
Great comment!!! I recently bought my mother a phone to get her onto Facebook in order to have a "social life" during the lockdown period and eventually start selling things on there (which she's doing). She's picked it up quickly and naturally so it feels good indeed, despite the addictive nature of these platforms I think her generation have a more balanced approach to it (which was factored in to the plan) ~ Nathan
Wow yes! Similar. My mother calls me her therapist
I feel exactly the same way. If I KNOW how to point someone in the right direction I feel an obligation to do so. Weirdly enough, even in cases where I could possibly sabotage myself or their best interest might cause me issues. That’s always irrelevant to me personally. But a whole other thing. Yeah I just feel compelled to provide that change in perspective and bring to light what I think they can use to better their circumstances 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Sometimes I feel annoying as hell for doing it. Sometimes quite offended if I’m unheard. And sometimes if I don’t get through, I stay away for a while bc it’s frustrating to SEE something someone else can’t. And just like you said, when people do listen to me, they do so well
We definitely do not come from any place of superiority complex. It’s just how we care. We choose to care or love and opt out of the wishy washiness of feelings
@@nina3538 "Sometimes I feel annoying as hell for doing it. Sometimes quite offended if I’m unheard. And sometimes if I don’t get through, I stay away for a while bc it’s frustrating to SEE something someone else can’t." Oh my god, YES. I didn't mention that part, and you hit the nail on the head. We are aware that our efforts may be mistaken for something else, that others may simply consider us annoying. And it's exactly the same for me - when my advice isn't taken seriously (for instance, someone agrees with me, but only to let me hear what I want to hear, then proceeds to do the same) I tend to shut off or act stand-offish, and it does take a toll on my relationships sometimes. Still, glad to know it's something I share with other INTPs!
@@anuuuul Daaamn !
You just described me and 2 of my childhood besties that I decided to just keep at a distance now, because we're under a HEAVY disagreement about 2 topics that are vital part of my own identity, but treated as an afterthought by them, and despites my intimate knowledge of these topics, each time I try to speak about it with them and try to educate them about it, they just either completely shut down like clams, or brush it under the carpet, constantly repeating the same broken records they've been spouting for well over a decade now, never even flinching an inch forward from all their glorious bad faith...
These guys are men that have been my absolute besties for over 30 years, now, friends that are integral part of how I built myself up to become the man I am today, and it crushes my soul to now have to distance myself from them (since a year, now), because our arguments are simply starting to really corrode my mental health. And even if it destroys me to keep a distance, it's still the least hurtful situation than just keep hanging out with them.
For decades, we used to always hang out at a moment's notice, and now, it's a miracle if I (reluctantly) see them once every 2-3 months, just for nostalgia's sake, and a twisted sense of loyalty not to them anymore, but to the defunct 30 years long friendship we used to have together.
I still love them, but I simply don't feel any joy in being with them anymore coz I know that each time we're gonna hang out, they won't be able to help it, there's gonna be a snarky slip of the tongue in either one of the topics I mentioned earlier, and all the good time we'd had for the rest of the evening will just crumble in my head and I'll be the one to suddenly clam up and it will just spell a gloomy vibe for the whole evening (or maybe I'll be the only one feeling gloomy and they'll still continue to have fun with our other common friends without even noticing my sudden sullen silence, I don't know, since by that point, I'd have stopped caring already...).
"...subtly and sometimes, forcefully, correct your thinking..."
** As an INTP, I can confirm that this is true! LOL!
You might be an INTP when the word "analyze" gets you so excited you get chills....
Yes, I tend to think that the person I like is a subject for research, and at first I think its weird af
As an INTP, I've had crushes on so many people but only till the time they didn't speak to me. As soon as I knew them better, I just lost interest :((
Omggg. Means my bf loves my mind
This video is going into my collection as part of my owners manual for those who own a part of my heart. Thank you for this. Also I find as I get older, the more challenging, different, and complex the person to be figured out, the more fascinated I become.
I'm honoured to make it into your collection ~ Nathan
interesting take on it. Funny this popped up. I am not an intp anymore, consistently entp now, been working on alot of growth in the last 4 years, also very much in tune with my emotions now. I was also was too open before like hard to make a decision and stick to it. Now I'm not so open, and it has helped me so much to be more structured and get things done. I guess I am saying that change is possible if you are unhappy with anything about personality structure. My thoughts
@@sw1216 so you gain energy from being out around more than a select few people? or do you still get drained if there are too many people for too long?
@@elnogo9196 Yes, I get energy from being around people, although I do still require alone time because I like it too but where people used to be draining they are now energizing, but the level of energy is not always the same and some people, like negative people, drain me but its not too much. It used to be everyone was draining, but no more. 🙂
@@sw1216 I remember myself as more extroverted than i am now. did I regress?
This description is pretty accurate and, yes, we'll ask a bunch of questions, analyse you as a whole and correct what we perceive as misguided thoughts or actions, but we do it when we want you to do better, when we want to help and take care of you. As an ITNP, it doesn't make sense to spend so much time and mental energy with someone unless we genuinely care about that person. We have the urge of understading "why", but sharing our full insights is reserved to people we value the most
I haven't finished the video yet but MY GOD this is too accurate. Holy shit. I'm impressed every single time.
Because you did not finish the video prior to making this comment, I diagnose you as an INTP
Well hopefully it didn't go really downhill towards the end ~ Nathan
Because of my INTP friend, he made me so much of a more logical person
That's great to hear. I really do think that the notion that we are the sum of the five people we spend the most time with is accurate, so it really pays off to have logical people around you ~ Nathan
"The more they can predict you, the better they will feel" - I do not believe this is universally applicable. At least some subset of INTPs will seek out friends and partners that introduce Entropy and Chaos into their lives, and they will be okay with that insofar as they also feel they are able to understand them just enough to have control over the aspects they need control over. That is to say, they will seek out novelty generators, and latch onto them; but, said novelty generators still need to be predictable enough to feel safe to them in the areas they need/want to feel safe in.
I think you’re missing the bottom line though. It is the attempt to solve the chaotic puzzle that is the lure. It’s one of the things that makes humans interesting. The more difficult they are to solve, the more fascinating, perhaps? Obviously there is a limit.
Absolutely me. Intp-a female
Emmy B You’ve gotta take a better test though. 16 personalities is based off the big 5, not MBTI. Not that MBTI is any better...but 16 personalities is just masquerading as the MBTI. That’s my understanding of it at any rate. The test usually seems to mistype people when compared to the results of Objective Personality, which are accurate to a 90%+ in a double blind study
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I disagree. There will be some subset that might be drawn to the puzzle aspect of it, sure. But, there is an intrinsic need for some to seek out new situations and experiences. They would be attracted to the movement aspects, the extroverted energy drawing them out of themselves and into the world such that they find themselves in frequent contact with new experiences and situations. One can think of it in two prominent ways.
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There will be that aspect of them that wants to "stress test" their systems, theories, and assumptions, such that they develop the most robust systems and frameworks through periodic descents into chaos, which is introduced to them via their "novelty generator" (aka partner in crime). They will rely on that outside force to propel them into new situations and experiences, which they will use as feedback to refine their theories and assumptions.
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Additionally, there is that aspect wherein the mere presence of their partner in crime increases the ambient availability of new data because of increased exposure to new situations and experiences, which is then used as input toward new lines of consideration, and the development of new models, systems, frameworks, insights, and understandings.
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Neither of those two is necessarily concerned with debugging and understanding their partner in crime, so much as bearing witness to the beautiful force of nature that they are, and being carried along for the ride. But, there will be certain aspects of their life that they need control over in order to feel secure being in such a relationship, and it will often be related toward one of their fundamental systems of understanding, or their need for security/comfort. And, they will need to have some degree of predictability concerning those specific areas to feel comfortable being forced into so many uncomfortable situations.
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I might add, that even with your presumed bottom line, that of the chaotic puzzle of their partner in crime being the lure, the need to figure them out and understand what makes them tick. That has no intrinsic link or connection to the statement: "The more they can predict you, the better they will feel", which is what I was addressing my comment toward. What is being discussed is the genesis of a relationship, which means that that statement, the one I am addressing, is antithetical to your presumption. In essence, you would be in alignment with me in saying “I do not believe this is universally applicable, and here is this third reason in addition to the two this guy is espousing.”
Donald Clements obviously the “more they can predict you, the better they feel” is an overgeneralization. I think you and I can both recognize that such a statement is never unanimously factual. It paints an abstract picture of a generalization. It’s like saying the more questions a person asks the more they learn. That is not necessarily true, but it is an overarching generalization that is true for the popular majority. So why bother contradicting such a statement?
Anyways. Insofar as your assessment of attraction and INTPs is concerned, I think you’re right in suggesting different ways in which INTPs could find (extroverted people, in particular) attractive. You’re wrong to suggest that the idea that these attractive aspects and the desire to “figure out” the person are mutually exclusive.
If you’re trying to say that fighting someone out is not always the primary motivation, I could agree with you. But if you’re trying to say that an INTP would date such a person without desiring to figure them out - I disagree. Everything in my knowledge of typology based on my classes with OP, and everything in my experience based on my discussions with many self-proclaimed INTPs - would disagree with this. So unless you have evidence, I think that, should the aforementioned be your stance, we’re at a standstill.
you’re the best for giving INTPs such space on your channel and not treating the type according to general stereotypes
This is really great to hear since there seem to be so many generic descriptions out there ~ Nathan
If an inexperienced INTP likes you, they will enthusiastically introduce you to their current thinking problems. Experienced INTPs adapt the topic of their communication to the audience. They separate their harsh world of thoughts from their communication in the same way they separate leisure time and work from one another.
Its very important to have peace at home / in a relationship. INTPs leave relationship if it drains too much energy. INTPs never want to lose their independence. INTPs need a lot of free time away from side worries in order to focus on important quests.
If an intp clearly has an affection for you and it has peaked your interest i implore you to talk to them 1 on 1. We are awful in group settings but if you could have a meaningful conversation them that is when an intp will expose their charm and thus essentially what they bring to the table as a romantic interest. Because even though our greatest weakness is in the realm social interaction intps are probably the most interesting and entertaining people to talk to if you like to have deep conversations
As an INTP, I’ve never understood the games people play, I’m always very upfront with how I’m feeling (making the first move) and am always working to stay logical so that I can see exactly what’s going on without fooling myself
"Personal Advisor", Thats some shit ENTJs would love, right? Nvm, "power behind the throne" says it all.
Yeah, at last for me, i looove being the "royal adviser" of a boss. But in my zone, there are not many ENTJ sadly.
I love ENTJs (well, most of them).
(They also appreciate all the logical contributions and/or corrections)
- INTP
You are right, we do love it. -- ENTJ married to an INTP
@Honeysuckle Housewife - 😁
ENTJ + INTP duos do really well for this reason! ~ Nathan
My INTP is always good at pointing out my logical inconsistencies when I am emotional. I am not a very emotional person but I was widowed 6 mos ago ...generally when not recovering from trauma I am a cool calm collected rational INTJ. But in his sweet INTP way he is very understanding when I go off the rails a bit thinking I could have done some thing, anything at all, to prevent my fprmer mate's death. It is so wonderful that he never gets jealous of my feelings.
I told him early on each person we love: my grandfather, my grandmother, a prior husband who died, and then this one I was with 41 years...each I loved differently based on who THEY were and no one ever replaces someone we have loved IMO they have a unique spot of our brain that belongs to them...I said love is additive...we can love someone new for who THEY are...and I DO love my INTP and he knows it.
Most men would get frustrated when I refer to my past but not him, he wants to know ALL about me as I do him. I am refering to my former mate of 41 years less and less...he is still with me in my head just like all those others I have loved, but my life is now shared with my lovely INTP....We really are good to and for each other.
this makes a ton of sense. i'm an INTP with an INFP female friend. while i don't like her romantically, i still trust her enough to drop the tough guy Ti-exterior and bring out the lower Fe.
when she confides in me though, i take the approach you said in the video. trying to point out the logical inconsistencies and fallacies in one's way of thinking. she has said it's very different from the type of support she's used to getting, but says that it helps her a lot.
i could definitely see us being together, but frankly i think we work better as close friends. we balance each other out in a way; she brings out the lower Fe in me (i'm a lot more vulnerable, squishy, and affectionate around her. seriously, you'd think i was an IXFJ if you saw how i act around her), and i logically put things into perspective for her when she's stressed (lower Te, i guess? even though it's mostly Ti talking on my part).
It's important to have those kinds of relationships in your life, ones where you can drop any pretence ~ Nathan
In other words: If an INTP likes you☺️ they will analyze and observe you to become your…. ULTIMATE life coach/therapist😂😂 now i know why i always think so business-and value principles and theories over emotions when taking decisions
Yss😂
When I’m in love I usually watch there interactions with other people, half because I get jealous easily, and half because I’m just interested.
and then there's that weird moment when they don't like you anymore and switch to polite-yet-disrespectful manners е.е
HAHHAHA the fact that this makes sense 😅
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when you like intp -"NEver lie"
Well played ~ Nathan
When INTP likes you, you'll have their attention, they will listen, watch, and only then criticize/correct.
Lol, at least INTPs already like you at the interrogation stage...!
Us INTJs be like, "Now if I can just get a proper Ni read on this weirdo"
If an INTP likes you, expect a lot of unexpected mind games.
good video, but because of Fe inferior INTP's worry that other people are bad, we have a moral expectation of other people, so if a friend is pursuing something amoral we are *less likely* to help.
I thought us INTPs didn't really care for morals at all, other than the fact that they're logical in society, am I misinformed?
also, as an INTP I don't feel like I think too much about morals other than if they're gonna do some kind of damage to someone else's life
@@blueninja012 you're not misinformed, but you are missing out on important information:
Fi is morals. which INTP's don't have, so you are right in the fact that intp's don't think too much about what is right and wrong themselves, but(this is the important part) intp's have Fe which expects *others* to have Fi(morals).
the same way we expect others to have Te and listen to our Ti. we want to consume the morality of other people. as a rule of thumb, extroverted/external functions want to consume introverted/internal functions. so our Fe in the 4th slots expects a person to have Fi to be developed just as much as our Fe. we are ethical, we wan't to absorb the internal Feeling functions of others. just like how making someone laugh gives us enjoyment, we want other people to be good people (at least to the extent of Fi in the 4th slot, which to be fair isn't that high, but the need still exists.)
if this doesn't seem true to you, you are either not an INTP or your Fe is extremely underdeveloped.
@@logicalperspectivekanki4190 ah, that makes sense, thanks for taking to time to explain
@@blueninja012 np
0:45 deadass though, one of the main reasons i’m so into this whole mbti thing is bc it rlly just makes sense. it also helps me in figuring what kind of person someone is right off the bat just by knowing their personality type lol. tbh, ever since i got into it, i’ve started associating people’s actions with everything mbti 😂
The analyser analysed, and right on point with that... what a loop!! xD
"Like someone who speaks a different language from the people around them" was a great analogy. It requires a long time, for INTPs who are interested in communicating well with others, to let their guard down, or should I say... their filter down. In the meantime, it really is like speaking another language.
That was the best way I could encapsulate it, it's incredible how to people can talk completely past each other in conversation and get ever more frustrated with each other. Another issue is that you can logically decide to adjust your approach to account for the more emotional arguments/points coming your way but it's rarely reciprocated! Letting your filter down is definitely something that takes a loooooong time ~ Nathan
" When an Intp is surrounded by people especially people they care about and are closed to, who they think are not logical or not capable of being rational and reasonable consistently they will feel very lonely and isolated like someone who speaks a different language from people around them "
My bf (INTP obviously) followed those exact steps when we started to know each other better. He's the only one I trust about my ideas and visions cause I know his judgement will be logic only, nothing to do with pleasing me. And as an INTJ this is one of the things I was missing.
In the first "chattings" with my crush i had this semi-robotic conversations that were question after question (most of them, with a romantic setting) which we remembered funnily as "Interrogations", now seing "polite interrogations" in the video makes me laugh so damn hard, holy cow. The final "whatever you do, do it logically" as great too, although i use "whatever you do, be internally coherent" which i suppose is kinda the same.
"internally coherent" YES!
There is a point in the journey of analyzing someone when my judgement gets very murky. For example, If I’m in too deep and I found out he wears women’s underwear.. I guess I’m going to have to help him so he can make smarter choices on brand and quality. If I find a pattern of behavior I dislike about someone I chose to be around, I like to know to expect it so i can navigate around it. I have a best friend of 8 years who would make crazy, irrational and impulsive decisions but it was consistent to her character. I knew how to handle it but I would never stop trying to have her think first before her actions.
Excellent comment, I nodded along whilst also laughing out loud at one point! Also great to see you here in the comments section, haven't seen you on the discord for a while. If you're on there feel free to DM me at any point ~ Nathan
I got an INTP-A friend recently, it's actually heartwarming to know that he cares about me as a friend or more
Omg this hit so hard. I'm amazed that this confusing thing as personality can have such structure. It's like a cheat sheet into learning how to deal with persons...
Ahh.. correct their thinking..we have to. Its too sad to have people thinking the wrong way.
Love Who? Love you! This is the most synthetic explanation I ever found of the INTP. Thank you for this video.
Glad you enjoyed it! Feel free to check out the other INTP videos if you haven't already! ~ Nathan
@@lovewho Don't worry, I am subscribed!
Spot on with the not what a person thinks, but how a person thinks.
So there's this INTP guy that likes me for sure.. But he acts so confusingly like for once he'll take initiative to spend time with me and next day he'll ignore me like I don't exits....still my gut tells me he has feelings for me.. But how in the world I make him ask me out while I feel awkward to approach him myself _INFJ
And the personal adviser part is so true.. He's so supportive towards me that at 1st I mistyped him of being ENFJ😅
This is so true and also something I’ve known about myself for quite some time now but I’ve always kept those realizations about myself to myself because I’m afraid others might not understand where I’m coming from.
"If you are an INTP, it will be a very logical move to go down into the video description.." you made me smirk, you know how to con us you cheeky bugger. Already liked and subscribed ^^
that made me smirk as well
"Bugger" implies British... well hopefully you discovered our Discord server in the description and checked it out. Feel free to message me on there if you do! ~ Nathan
Sending this video to your partner to let it explain your feelings instead saying your feelings yourself, is one of the most Intp things you can do in a relationship
That "power behind the throne" metaphor hit me hard. I teach music for a living and while the fantasy of being a famous musician has always haunted me, I have over time accepted that I weirdly prefer teaching the tricks and systems that might help someone else become that star on stage, from behind the curtain so to speak. I just love teaching and inconspicuously planting the seeds. Plus, all that time doing promotional work, on the road away from home comforts for months at a time, meeting hundreds of random faces in numerous locations, the pressure of performing night after night and recording deadlines... I'm not cut out for that. I feel so much more in my element to give knowledge and let someone with far more charisma and extroverted energy take that to its ultimate creative conclusion. They are my babies. Fly, my pretties.
You hit the nail every time, good job
I just had the image of me as a builder... repeatedly hitting the nail... Also if you haven't already feel free to check out the discord server! Feel free to message me on there if you do ~ Nathan
I will say this is not 'just romantic'. I do this for friendships and close coworkers. I need to be able to predict your behavior 70-85% accurately if I am going to spend either 1) a substantial amount of time with you in close proximity, or 2) disclose personal information and want to be influenced by you
This makes perfect sense! ~ Nathan
The first one made me burst out of laugh. "They will politely interrogate you" -> building their database hahahahaha this is so fucking accurate
This is very accurate thank you, it’s nice seeing Luanne, stay strong and keep on researching 😀
When we seperated, I stopped correcting my wife's thinking. It simply isn't my job anymore.
I have found myself analyzing someone's behavior and the dilemma they find themselves in. I strip everything down to their evolutionary motive. The people that I care about, I will gently guide them to my understanding. Try to anyway. At times I lose my patience and just tell them. Not in a mean way, just matter of fact-ly. I have been accused of being cold...more times than I care to. But the upside is, I'm known for being genuine and trustworthy. Fair trade off.~INTP
I truly enjoy your content. Thank you.
As an INTP I love solving puzzles and my mind found the most unpredictable and confusing person I've met and decided. yes. I like them. I don't know how I feel about this, they're consistent enough not to drive me crazy but also alien though that may just be the Extroversion in them talking.
Absolutely me. Dated a Fi user once. Found it challenging to say it, to say the least.
He refused to logic his fee fees. I couldn't translate.
It really does create quite a helpless situation when you can't logic someone ~ Nathan
Hi, INFP here, I intend on getting myself an INTP wife in the future.
Could you explain why he couldnt loo loo his fee fees?
so true. i have gay, hetero, caucasian, asian, arabic, female, male...(you get the point) friends and they all say im "chill to be with" because i dont judge i just observe and try to understand/learn.
basicly my only "dealbreaker" is if you cant "sit in silence" now and then. certain personalitys cant bear silence and always initiate smalltalk..ALWAYS! ^^ i cant keep up with that.
but if they have a problem im usally the adviser for whats logical when its "brain vs heart".
I absolutely love your humor!
"Very unjudgemental about what their loved ones want to go after in life they simply ask whatever you do do it logically."
This is me in a nutshell.
When I like you I actually become a gigantic cream puff.
I will add this point next time I visit the subject ~ Nathan
The end is funny. I like the wall art too. I was looking for ways to spruce up my home office zoom room.
1. They get jealous.
2. Finally agree to date me.
-INTJ
I liked this person(not romantically but platonically) and I did pointed out their logic inconsistencies and be their personal adviser. I have multiple times where I didnt get enough sleep just to help them with their problems. However, they were never actually trying to improve on the advice I gave and I soon cant stand it anymore and I gave up on the person and simply distanced them as I cant rlly just block them out cuz we go to the same school. considering that I did told them about this and wanted to fix the problem. I felt better in general afterwards that person was one heck of a grimelord and I realized almost everything I heard about them is rants and I simply couldn't handle it.
If an INTP likes you, we'll even change our habits/plans because of you
I kinda feel both validated and called out very shortly in. Very poor social skills when younger, or maybe a strong disposition towards being alone. The analysing behaviour.. was definitely accurate.
Its very interesting that INTPs tends to analyse and even scrutinise the logical inconsistencies of the people they like rather than idealise them. I'm not saying the latter is the norm, it just seems more likely with people to believe their loved ones or even the people they like are cared for, for a valid reasons... if that makes sense. Almost like self-validation of "yes, look! i knew i liked/loved this person for a reason."
either way its definitely a trait to appreciate.
INTP texts me funny good morning gifs everyday and asks me out regularly. I think he really likes me. ENFP slowly falling for him.
"As you can imagine, this isn't always the most...
...welcome contribution."
Thank you for explaining my dating life so compassionately.
I ask questions and then observe for a long time just to see how their words and their actions contradict. So fun to see them go about the world in their delusion and when they do not contradict is when I REALLY get interested in someone.
This video is SO true, it earned a sub!
I never crossed the bridge of being impolite in persuit of my understanding and I’m glad that I didn’t because apparently there’s something wrong with it but also a hard pill to swallow as an intp is that some times people just don’t like you and there is no understanding in that no reason or rhythm you can’t understand it but that doesn’t mean it’s not to be understood. No matter how advanced you analysis becomes or how counter intuitively you break from the mold or try to shape even how they perceive you through countless variables there’s just no understanding sometimes on *why* especially when dealing with girls you will never get an answer because they don’t know themselves and so there’s no point in analyzing them
Hi I just found this RUclips video after realizing I’m a intp this video actually kinda helped a lot and Ima sub and watch more. Been going through a rough time but this made me sort of understand there’s nothing wrong with me sometimes 2 people just don’t mix
When you started with observing and analysing the person we like.. UUGHHH SO FREAKING ME
People oftentimes hate being analyzed and it pushes them away. The friends that stick are the ones that can tolerate being analyzed by an INTP.
I am an INTP and you make me nervous. If I were trying to date you, I think your "analysis" would drive me crazy!
The work behind the scenes was accurate
Reminds me of Fear and Loathing: "not yet, I want to study its habits"
A guy I like is an INTP and I'm an ENFP and I overthink he doesn't like me but this explains his mannerisms towards me :D
0:38 made me chuckle harder than usual.
As an intp, I like to be completely my goofy and demented self once I get to know you and once I know you can understand my dark sense of humor. 😈😂🤣
Weird how now I'm always getting here when I’m not supposed to...
...I like how mysterious this comment is ~ Nathan
as an INTP, i do be collecting random data about people- I HAVE THEM IN MY HEAD
After going to the rabbit hole of attachment theory, seeing the comments convinces me that INTP is inclined to be insecurely avoidant.
Everything here is very applicable to me when I like someone, except for the reason for correcting someone, I do that just because I want things to be correct, not necessarily out of care, after all I am an ENTP
When an INTP feels becharmed : "never confess, keep contemplating - what's the logical explanation behind the charm" 🤷
Accurate! 😂 I put time and effort in explaining to myself why I like this person and I could'nt not like them, because there are grounded reasons to do so and therefore it's not me being stupid & emotional as I feel l am because of my 😮 feelings
"Correct your thinking" Wow this Video is so accurat :D I am ENFP with BPD and my Boyfriend is INTP. He often gets very sick of my extrem emotions and mood swings, otherwise he really really enjoys to analyse and solve the mess in my head ;D I must say he really could help me, his thinking is so smart and complex, it's like he opens whole new worlds of thinking and perspectives in my head uwu
I'm an INTP. My wife is an ENFP with BPD. I can honestly say that, yes, the emotional extremes do cause a lot of frustration. Much of that is in her not taking action on what she learns from past actions/behaviours that I can clearly see have repeatedly triggered emotional turmoil. When I remind her, she is fully aware of this, but she needs the reminder. I accept that we can't help how we feel. But we must learn and grow from the recognisable patterns that emerge out of our past. What I really love to see in my wife is self confidence and taking control of situations. I cannot tell you how much that thrills me. I have a very paternal relationship with her. I don't mean that to sound creepy, because it really isn't in practice. I want to see her grow, take control of her inner self and become the powerful, confident woman I know she is.
@@epiphany55 Hi thanks very much for your response. I wanted to answer immediately but yeah I couldn't manage that. I guess there're a lot of similarities between our relationships. Sometimes my bpd makes me think my bf is only sick of me but your text motivated me and your wife has luck to have you as such a good caretaker.
What is hard for me sometimes, that he as intp has not that much emotions but me as enfp kind of live from connecting with others with there emotions, so I want especially connect with him. If he won't show me emotions and I can't connect I kind of feel rejected from him and yeah bpd does the rest that I often feel very lonely and he can't understand this, because for him emotions aren't that necessary
@@xMariki I may be biased but emotions do not solve a lot of life's problems, they just tell you how you feel about them. I always tell my wife "you can't help what you feel, but you can help what you do". And I want to see her do what is required to make the suffering that comes with her emotional turmoil pass as quickly and efficiently as possible, BPD or not. That also means consciously avoiding situations that I can see, from past experience, have triggered a cycle of negative emotions. So I am always on guard with that and will remind her, along with reminding her I am doing this because I love her. I will not pander to her emotions if they are sending her down the same destructive path I have seen her go down numerous times before. And yes, sometimes it can seem harsh or like a rejection of those feelings. But it's not a rejection of HER. It's a rejection of certain ways of thinking that do more harm than good.
Your bf needs to learn how to balance accepting the existence of your emotions, comforting you with guidance and love and most importantly inviting you out of the destructive cycle those emotions perpetually trap you within. There is no rejection of you if there is guidance out of suffering. A partner of someone with BPD shouldn't be cold or unresponsive, but someone who will be "zero tolerance" of letting your emotions dictate actions that they know are destructive or unproductive. It's a very delicate and challenging task for anyone, but INTPs should be more than equipped to balance things in your favour in the longer term. They may just need space and time to recharge and be there for you when they are at their strongest.