[SSBU] Mewtwo: Smash's Fallen Top Tier

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  • Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
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Комментарии • 456

  • @FireThePyroYT
    @FireThePyroYT  7 дней назад +130

    UPDATE: The other thumbnail won the A/B test, so i switched the title to accomodate. "What Happened to Mewtwo" was still a very good title but considering the other thumbnail is performing slightly better i figured it's better to completely skew the title over to something more typical of the channel. So if you see people talking about the "black bar over eyes thumbnail" that's the deal.
    Anyways please subscribe lol

  • @NotBae
    @NotBae 8 дней назад +1464

    I feel attacked.

    • @Freebird1994
      @Freebird1994 8 дней назад +89

      You were. Multiple times. Because of the nerfs. Sorry

    • @Gigabyte019
      @Gigabyte019 8 дней назад +34

      It’ll be alright …
      …There’s always next game

    • @Zackalibur
      @Zackalibur 8 дней назад +5

      Its okay, trust 🥺

    • @r3zp
      @r3zp 8 дней назад +3

      lol

    • @TheRealGrimPrime
      @TheRealGrimPrime 8 дней назад +4

      lol same here I’m also a mewtwo player

  • @Whatyoudexpect
    @Whatyoudexpect 8 дней назад +462

    You have NO idea how long I've been waiting for a competitive deep dive on Mewtwo from a channel like you. Used to take him to locals all the way up until Steves release and MAN was every fight scrappy. Your breakdowns are really eloquently worded and your research is really in depth.
    Great work. Loved everything I've seen of yours so far, looking forward to what comes out next.

  • @MrMockRock
    @MrMockRock 8 дней назад +367

    Mewtwo just makes me sad in Ultimate, on paper he's a cool character and I've tried multiple times to pick him up, but I keep bumping into the reality that *he can't do anything.* I don't think I've ever played a Smash character that feels so bottlenecked into the same couple of options over and over, this was a really great summary of what causes that.

    • @mightycheeto
      @mightycheeto 8 дней назад +4

      Yeah, i can feel this. I'm no pro player by all means and i haven't played competitive smash in a while but when i did i had mewtwo as a secondary and it just was the same gameplan every time.

    • @Deadpool-ri3rq
      @Deadpool-ri3rq 8 дней назад +1

      Hi MockRock!

    • @Pondy2342
      @Pondy2342 8 дней назад

      Bro you get me

    • @nathanlevesque7812
      @nathanlevesque7812 7 дней назад

      I feel exactly the opposite way about him o.O

    • @davidfarnstrom7241
      @davidfarnstrom7241 4 дня назад

      Spam teleport like your life depends on it (it probably douse). That will dammage the brain of you opponent enuff to give them schizophrenia from all the cancer you make them endure. That will make your opponent so paranoid that they will start to fall for the most stupid sh*t ever and just turn around when you try to rush because they assume you will teleport.
      Problem solved✅

  • @vaeyguh2673
    @vaeyguh2673 8 дней назад +242

    Mewtwo player from Texas here. Im glad someone finally put all of his weaknesses into words. So many people just chalk it up to the tail when it goes so much deeper than that. Been a fan of your content for a while and this was nice surprise to see. Great vid 🔥

    • @EingefrorenesEisen
      @EingefrorenesEisen 8 дней назад

      As a Ridley main who often complains about the character's hurtbox, I played Ult for the first time in like 3 years with a fresh mentality and a lot of clarity I didn't have before.
      Fought a Mewtwo, and after fighting him for a bit I was just like... "wait, what the fuck happened to this character, was he always so bad? What is he supposed to do?" And proceeded to annihilate the poor player too many times and now I'm going to hell for my sins.

  • @SmaxSSB
    @SmaxSSB 8 дней назад +808

    Noooo not the black bar over eyes thumbnail 😭 "what happened to Mr Shit" 💀

    • @lukarikid9001
      @lukarikid9001 8 дней назад +48

      C A N C E L L E D

    • @potatomanorigin9172
      @potatomanorigin9172 8 дней назад +34

      Yeah that meme ruined those kind of thumbnails for ever

    • @ElwindMage
      @ElwindMage 8 дней назад +40

      “The Rise and Fall of Mr Shit” but actually fits because Mewtwo really did have a rise and fall.

    • @Makaibros
      @Makaibros 8 дней назад +13

      they changed the thumbnail

    • @tacopizzasandwich621
      @tacopizzasandwich621 2 дня назад

      @@Makaibrosgood im sick of the “the downfall of pissboygaming” era of thumbnails

  • @N0RDICST0RM
    @N0RDICST0RM 8 дней назад +155

    Moving from move specific videos to character specific ones, nice.

  • @I_ExistIG
    @I_ExistIG 8 дней назад +351

    I literally just posted a comment about Mewtwo and this video uploaded. The algorithm is reading me so hard it's forcing RUclipsrs to upload

    • @farewell418
      @farewell418 8 дней назад +2

      I just watched Zain’s video on Mewtwo and now I get this, we’re both getting read by the algorithm

    • @Neil-ji8os
      @Neil-ji8os 8 дней назад +1

      On a RUclips video or some other social media?

  • @xGatoDelFuegox
    @xGatoDelFuegox 8 дней назад +79

    Great explanation on the differences between samus and mewtwo! 'Zoning' is a complex idea, but framing it as control and punishment of aerial or ground movement really is intuitive. This also explains why samus is so much more effective -- even tho her "zoning" tools (missiles) were made a lot less effective from 4 to ult and via patches, gaining a big boost to speed and aerial denial metagame were a big boost. Mewtwo got the opposite treatment.
    And also why the matchup is so BAD for samus! Mewtwo can use superior mobility to enforce samus to go for a ground approach, and samus HATES having to jump over shadow ball. As for defense -- mewtwo isn't THAT much more harder for samus to ko, but their high kill power makes samus's strong weight a lot less of a boon. You don't get to live much longer when you have the threat of fair offstage deleting you at 40, for instance! This goes for both characters. But only one has the mobility to make it happen

    • @bigshaggy6742
      @bigshaggy6742 7 дней назад

      It's also funny when you realize that Samus is widely considered an A tier but has a difficult matchup into a random D tier like Mewtwo.
      If you think about it, any other character with a charge-shot esque move is going to make it hard for Samus to play the game. They have either better mobility, a reflector, or in Mewtwo's case: both. This means that a character who thrives off conditioning with charge shot and struggles with approaching now has to deal with another character who conditions with charge shot - _by_ approaching. In other words, all the control of neutral Samus is known to get just disappears as soon as someone like Mewtwo presses the B button.
      I don't even have to get into the ways Mewtwo can kill Samus at 40%. The fact that her win condition of conditioning with charge shot is lost to Mewtwo's shadow ball and confusion is enough to call it a bad matchup.
      Hopefully one day we can move away from the top 15 allegations, because this is far from the worst character diff Samus has to deal with.

  • @thewhitecrow_9854
    @thewhitecrow_9854 8 дней назад +54

    FireThePyro uploads I click

  • @ikan2192
    @ikan2192 5 дней назад +3

    7:27 IM SO GLAD U INCLUDED THIS CLIP IT'S ONE OF MY FAVS

  • @cherrysilver2064
    @cherrysilver2064 8 дней назад +26

    Mewtwo main here. This video was genuinely fantastic!
    Despite all his headaches, I still absolutely love this character, and find him to be the most fun in the game. His unique tools just work with how I like to play.
    I see a lot of people who like to underrate Mewtwo and say “he’s only overlooked because of tail” but he has so many other smaller issues that add up over time.
    Like that example you brought up with his nerfed Nair. I couldn’t image how many times I try a Nair follow up and it just sends in an inconsistent direction.
    His double jump is so unique in allowing him to get some insane edge guards, but it hinders him so badly in disadvantage, and it’s something I never saw visualized so well in a smash video.
    It would be quite interesting to see a version of this character who focused more on aggression rather than bait-and-punish zoning.
    Anyways, keep up the good work!

    • @davidfarnstrom7241
      @davidfarnstrom7241 4 дня назад

      If you ever play at a party or something: start using the teleport like your life depends on it and watch them spiral into paranoia and start falling for a bunch of stupid shit.

    • @cherrysilver2064
      @cherrysilver2064 День назад

      @davidfarnstrom7241I’ve shown off teleport cancel -> down air spike to people I meet at monthlies and their first reaction is “YOU CAN DO THAT??” and I get a good kick out of it haha

    • @davidfarnstrom7241
      @davidfarnstrom7241 20 часов назад

      @@cherrysilver2064 its not cancer inducing enuff. You have to give them schizophrenia or something.

  • @H20overflow
    @H20overflow 7 дней назад +6

    Dude I LOVE how you edited the section at 4:37. Like instead of telling us what she can hit you just showed us which is so cool dude. Keep up the amazing work

  • @maxbell5350
    @maxbell5350 8 дней назад +73

    meta knight crying about mewtwo is hilarious

    • @metalhand333
      @metalhand333 8 дней назад +12

      Does bro know what atrocities his main has committed

    • @DoMorrMusic
      @DoMorrMusic 8 дней назад +4

      Does he know?

    • @bencrandall-malcolm8303
      @bencrandall-malcolm8303 8 дней назад +15

      The Mewtwo/MK matchup was extremely bad for MK, but that was way more the fault of MK's completely linear approach than it was anything about Mewtwo.

    • @maxbell5350
      @maxbell5350 8 дней назад +1

      just remembered I’m thinking of the wrong game lol

    • @substitutedoll5224
      @substitutedoll5224 7 дней назад

      @@bencrandall-malcolm8303 that is wrong, mewtwo's floatiness combined with his light weight made him basically dead at any percent past 20 if he was caught with a stray dash attack

  • @SumMadLad
    @SumMadLad 8 дней назад +6

    3:03 it's small, but seeing the wii u internet curtains hit me with a wave of nostalgia like you would never believe

  • @blngu
    @blngu 8 дней назад +6

    Your videos are some of the best SSBU videos left on the platform man

  • @mako7757
    @mako7757 8 дней назад +12

    as a mewtwo main im really glad he's getting more coverage in these types of videos

  • @DarkAura19
    @DarkAura19 8 дней назад +68

    I get most of the adjustments they made to Mewtwo, a lot of them were kind of just results of how Ultimate's engine changed things, but the tail... literally why, man. I get it's not his biggest issue, but why give him that stank ass tail hurt box...

    • @ReitheOffbeatOtaku
      @ReitheOffbeatOtaku 8 дней назад +8

      They probably just saw that Mewtwo had that extra tail hurtbox in Melee, went “Oh hey, there’s a potential nerf to this top tier that’s also bringing something back from an older game,” and did it for the hell of it.
      Funnily enough, something Pyro didn’t mention in this video is that they tried to mitigate the effects of the tail hurtbox twice by making it smaller and then making Mewtwo’s shield bigger and changing his pose in the shield, but sadly, those were very much just bandaid solutions.
      Next game they’ll probably just go back to one hurtbox on the tail like Smash 4, since they seemingly realized that the extra hurtbox was a problem, but just didn’t want to get rid of it.

    • @Krona-fb4dn
      @Krona-fb4dn 8 дней назад +4

      @@ReitheOffbeatOtakuI like how they felt the need to take Mewtwo down a peg, but god forbid they give similar treatment to Sonic.

    • @ReitheOffbeatOtaku
      @ReitheOffbeatOtaku 7 дней назад +2

      @ What’s crazy is that we all forget about this now because post-pandemic Sonic is seen as a contender for the best character in Ultimate, but he actually did get some pretty notable nerfs coming into the game from Smash 4.
      To name the biggest ones from Smashwiki’s list of changes, his Spin Dash and Spin Charge both lost the ability to be charged indefinitely and cross up shield, he lost the ability to cancel Spin Dash by shielding, his up air got gutted and made more inconsistent, his up throw lost most of its combos, and he was made lighter, so he dies earlier compared to Smash 4.
      So yeah, it feels like Sonic only got a slap on the wrist in hindsight because of how much Ultimate’s general engine changes benefitted him, but he did genuinely lose quite a bit between games; we could’ve had a version of Sonic in Smash Ultimate that was somehow even more campy with even less committal movement options, lmao.

    • @Krona-fb4dn
      @Krona-fb4dn 7 дней назад +1

      @ ye, the shield canceling one was a major aspect to it that stuck out when Ult came out, but spin dash/charge themselves are still both very safe burst movement options.
      I’m still just mad they stopped all support quite early in addition to all of this. Considering games like SF5 and Tekken 7 were older and got support for a much longer timespan than Ult.

    • @ReitheOffbeatOtaku
      @ReitheOffbeatOtaku 7 дней назад +4

      @ Yeah, I agree the patches should’ve gone on for longer; it’s a shame that they just stopped like, a month after Sora came out when they definitely could’ve kept it going for another year.

  • @Gradient___
    @Gradient___ 8 дней назад +8

    Spot-on video! It's strange how what was one of the best characters at getting off ledge is now one of the worst characters at getting off the ledge.
    Side note: It wasn't mentioned, but one result of side-B losing its aerial boost made it so you could no longer let go of ledge and hit an awaiting opponent without having to use your double jump, thus eliminating it as an option to help get off the ledge.

  • @Altra_duck
    @Altra_duck 8 дней назад +37

    I think the most core issue with Nintendo's philosophy on changing Mewtwo for Ultimate is that it's like they forgot how important it is for an aggressive character to be able to escape on defense. No matter what game you're in, it doesn't matter how good it _could_ be when you get in if you're just going to get run over anytime something goes wrong. It's why traditional fighters always give reversals to their rushdown characters, or why shotguns have the theoretically fastest kill time in a shooter, or why heavies live so long, because without it you just can't afford to go in most of the time. They gave Mewtwo a bunch of reward when he does get in, but they also made it so he can't save himself if it gets him in trouble, especially not with his low survivability, so he just isn't using it half the time

  • @thehayze259
    @thehayze259 8 дней назад +11

    I LOVE playing Mewtwo, he's insanely strong and has a really fun grab game but MY GOD he just does not function as a character. Basically every good thing he has is messed up in some way.
    He's SUPER mobile but his massive double jump makes a ton of stuff way harder. Fair is insanely strong but half the cast low profiles it OOS. Confusion combos into Fair but it's unreliable because you need to be pretty precise about your vertical spacing. His forward throw does a ton of damage, but a lot of the time you'll miss at least one shadow ball, and then it's just average. He's massive so he's got range but the tail hurtbox hampers that range and despite being big he's stupid light. Basically everything he has is at least a little messed up in some way.

  • @Micha-Hil
    @Micha-Hil 8 дней назад +8

    0:15 that hurts

  • @Worthsday
    @Worthsday 8 дней назад +12

    0:27 Don't forget my man Marth.

    • @Tha-mountain
      @Tha-mountain 8 дней назад +6

      Mr social distance can't social distance man.

    • @Krona-fb4dn
      @Krona-fb4dn 8 дней назад +2

      IMO, Marth suffers more from just not being worth it and outclassed which, is a recurring problem with Ultimate’s roster.

  • @blameron8836
    @blameron8836 8 дней назад +9

    You touched on this with dtilt but they also gutted fair and utilts combo abilities. Fair used to chain reliably at low percents and utilt could very consistently scoop into usmash at kill percents and neither of those work now.

  • @cstick2664
    @cstick2664 8 дней назад +6

    I think the devs didn’t anticipate the meta going in such a jump heavy direction

    • @heheheiamasupahstarslam5397
      @heheheiamasupahstarslam5397 8 дней назад +7

      how they buffed the shit out of jump?????

    • @joeyC34ee
      @joeyC34ee 7 дней назад +1

      Buffed jump and nerfed shield, roll, spot dodge, and shield grab. How could they not know the meta would shift to an aerial game?…Maybe Sakurai was right Smash isn’t a fighting game because the devs don’t know what they’re doing.

  • @Y3zzir
    @Y3zzir 8 дней назад +43

    Etika 🥲❤️

  • @itsybutsy
    @itsybutsy 8 дней назад +1

    "What's Mewtwo Left to do? ...Run away."
    kinda lore accurate

  • @victor-jo7wt
    @victor-jo7wt 8 дней назад +8

    key difference is that he isn't a DLC anymore

    • @victor-jo7wt
      @victor-jo7wt 8 дней назад

      also i get the problems you mention at 7:40 about mew2 being unapproachable and him needing the nerf, but the clip you show as an example moreso demonstrates how strong shields were in smash 4 and how they dominated the meta. idk if the same would apply in ultimate if mew2 were still equally as strong

  • @mrperson9877
    @mrperson9877 8 дней назад +1

    3:04 I giggled when I realized that's the wii u web browser curtain

  • @Pepeutra
    @Pepeutra 8 дней назад +17

    What's a tier list when you have a really beefy back air that feels better to edge guard with than any other type of recreational drug?

    • @Gigabyte019
      @Gigabyte019 8 дней назад +4

      @@Pepeutra and using double jump to double the hitbox feels like crack. I feel you.

    • @Team-Eclipse6024
      @Team-Eclipse6024 8 дней назад

      Strange despite also being addicted to this character. I can confidently say his back air is one of my least favorite to use in the entire game.

    • @Gigabyte019
      @Gigabyte019 8 дней назад +1

      @Team-Eclipse6024 for sure, draft back air onto any other unassuming character that falls faster and has less drift, back air would be a horrible move, near useless.
      On Mewtwo though, with his amazing double jump height and aerial control, back air becomes a monster at edgeguarding (one of the only good things the move is good at). with its disjoint and its animation sweeping from low to high, double jumping while using it lets you cover both recoveries from low and stage height. It can also be combo’d into itself to drag people towards the blast zone. If they airdodge through it, a down air spike is possible on most of the cast. On mewtwo, the move works.

    • @stephenrichter8940
      @stephenrichter8940 8 дней назад

      DK?

    • @Gigabyte019
      @Gigabyte019 8 дней назад

      @@stephenrichter8940 dk recovery is too poor to edgeguard below the stage, and dk’s bair is already one of his best moves and a really great button.

  • @TheMeasuringCup333
    @TheMeasuringCup333 8 дней назад

    Wonderful video, I’ve been talking to my friends about the whole “force you to approach the way you wanted to anyways” thing during tier list discussions, but I had no idea about his smash 4 changes.

  • @technopuffm2
    @technopuffm2 6 дней назад +1

    mewtwo main from ontario here(yes, ignore my pfp), and i just wanted to say that this is an absolutely phenomenal video(as per usual LOL)! i started my competitive journey with mewtwo a couple years ago and recently have been feeling a bit conflicted in my choice despite how much faith i have in him(i'm a bit infamous in my region for glazing how theoretically strong mewtwo can be), and you've really eloquently put into words the full breadth of how he struggles in this game. i really hate when people chalk up his failings solely to the tail, so i'm really thankful for how you've fully examined everything working against him. amazing work as always!
    although, i am a bit surprised that you didn't mention any of his many other buffs throughout ultimate's lifespan, because he truly was an abysmal character at the start of the game(part of my theory as to why he's so under repped) but got buffed into something, dare-i-say, 'viable'.

  • @Magic_Ice
    @Magic_Ice 8 дней назад +3

    My sub box the last week has been “why Mewtwo fell off in Pokémon” and “What happened to Mewtwo in Ultimate?”

  • @mrperson9877
    @mrperson9877 8 дней назад +1

    how convenient that I was just thinking about the second luminosity tier list, wondering how everyone's favorite genetic pokemon got so low, and then being blessed with a video perfectly explaining from one of the best smashtubers

  • @AnimusPrime87
    @AnimusPrime87 8 дней назад

    All of a sudden I heard the haunted house music from bomber man 64 the second attack. It was the first game that I was able to record with my dazzle capture card like 15 or 20 years ago or something. The first videos I ever posted on this channel were from that game and I still love it to this day. So I instantly recognized that music and you earned the like for that alone.The rest of the video is great, but noticing that made me extremely happy.

  • @deantyoowon6439
    @deantyoowon6439 8 дней назад +2

    8:34 Nice reference to Soundsmith

    • @bottleneck-5548
      @bottleneck-5548 6 дней назад +1

      Tf2 will always find its way in my mind it seems

  • @Change24
    @Change24 8 дней назад +4

    These are the days I've waited for

  • @Team-Eclipse6024
    @Team-Eclipse6024 8 дней назад +2

    Reminds me of vars III's video from a couple of years ago, you have a lot of moves which are good at sealing stocks and dealing damage. But, with zero defensive utility whatsoever. He also gave the best explanation of the problems of the tail hurtbox. Which is that carries the risk of extending your hurtbox. Therefore, making it risky to use in combat. Even though you have to.. Which basically sums the experience of playing the character.

  • @SpadeTheSilly
    @SpadeTheSilly 8 дней назад +2

    i never clicked on a recommended video so fast

  • @thatoneguywhoworksatjoespl9701
    @thatoneguywhoworksatjoespl9701 7 дней назад

    Resident Mewtwo main here, and I gotta say, you put it all so... perfectly. Though I think the tail is a bigger deal then you made it out to be, because it makes it MUCH harder to disengage if an interaction goes south. The best way I can describe Mewtwo is volatile. if you can get a meaningful hit off, and take stage control, your advantage is monstrous. You have the tools to capitalize. But if something happens, like getting hit off stage, you have like... 3 tools to escape disadvantage. In neutral, shadow ball, and intimidation are your best tools. If one is hampered, the match becomes substantially harder to win.

  • @Select2yt
    @Select2yt 8 дней назад +1

    babe wake up another firethepyro video focusing on the change of mewtwo over multiple smash games just dropped

  • @CasuaICole
    @CasuaICole 8 дней назад

    I appreciate this video. You make consistent bangers one after another, however, I do feel like most of these issues get worked out when you start playing him like Joker, but arsene has a hitbox, and not as a rushdown aggressor, nor as a campy nerd. He is a god at bait and punish spacing. While he isn't tiny like joker, he makes up for having some straight busted range tacked on with stupid mobility. Space, hold center stage, bait with shadowball, wait for opponent to slip, kill at funny percents. Apart from that, I got some extra points to mention:
    1 - Fair is nuts. It is cracked as an anti air. Time it right and they'll never jump again. It can also be safely spaced if you know they're baiting it out. Fair is nuts in general; timed right, i can reverse an opponent's advantage and annihilate someone's over confidence while in disadvantage. Don't use nair, bair or dair in disadvantage or you're asking for death.
    2 - Tail hitbox is funny, but usually is a signifier myself pressing W on someone too much in a matchup. If you're facing forward against your opponent in neutral, you will won't have to worry too much about it. If I'm getting hit in my tail, then im doing something wrong. Also accidental tail hits mid combo can mess up them entirely. Its funny to fall out of what should be true combos because oops it hit tail hitbox. M2 being tall sucks, but m2 tail stops being a problem through experience.
    3 - shadowball is usually for bating people into forward air. Now thinking about it, jump meta isn't too bad when you can hit fairs reliably.
    A bunch of annoying things can be dealt with on this character through a little bit of patience, but no one wants to bother adapting to them because m2 tail lol. The moment you call m2 tail a skill issue is when you start improving as m2.

  • @enderwiggins8248
    @enderwiggins8248 8 дней назад

    Even tho I’m no longer as involved in the smash scene I really love your analyses and quick wit! Great videos

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 8 дней назад +2

    I like how every swordie in the game has fast attacks and plenty of range, with disjoints because their swords don't have hurtboxes... And then there's Mewtwo, whose tail is basically a sword but with a hurtbox.

    • @justice8718
      @justice8718 8 дней назад +2

      To be fair. It’s not like they took their time on the swordies at all.
      Just look at Chrom. He’s so rushed, they didn’t give him Ike’s side-b.

  • @denverm4073
    @denverm4073 5 дней назад

    I’ve been playing Mewtwo since the game came out and his issues often get generalized to “tail bad”. Nice to see such a well articulated breakdown!

  • @zach_sparkle
    @zach_sparkle 7 дней назад +1

    Great vid as always!

  • @Repetends
    @Repetends 8 дней назад +3

    I’m a mewtwo main so I’m glad to see a video on him haha. Also I got this in recommended 2 minutes after upload what?

  • @bananabike279
    @bananabike279 8 дней назад +2

    Has the Mii Brawler well finally dried up? No, this is actually a video about... Mii-wtwo

  • @viviankong69
    @viviankong69 8 дней назад

    adored this video so high quality and well made too ❤

  • @nicktherange
    @nicktherange 8 дней назад +31

    Mewtwo getting announced as DLC for smash 4 was probably the most hype smash reveal

  • @zdelrod829
    @zdelrod829 8 дней назад +2

    Just for added measure, his fall off mirrors his Pokemon viability. He's been power crept to hell in both Smash and Pokemon.

  • @Gwenpool256
    @Gwenpool256 8 дней назад +1

    Another in depth video by Pyro?? Gladly

  • @Glarestar
    @Glarestar 8 дней назад +1

    MewTwo is like that one cool guy in high school when you meet him years later. He fell off harder than my ego when I miss a Shulk counter.

  • @itsthenewisaiah12
    @itsthenewisaiah12 8 дней назад

    I really liked the character focus style you did for this video, if you don't mind taking recommendations on the near opposite of Mewtwo, going from bottom to top tier G&W and/or Pac-Man, both were not good in Sm4sh while are now great here, I think it would be cool to talk about how they improved with all the mechanic changes. Roy is another good example if you don't wanna do more zoners too!

  • @leafs8295
    @leafs8295 5 дней назад

    Very accurate and good video
    Nice work! Keep it up

  • @jeffersonian4
    @jeffersonian4 8 дней назад

    Good analysis. I had wondered why Mewtwo fell off in Ultimate, and this video did a good job explaining. The most eye-opening point was his lack of anti-air (in contrast to Samus)

  • @whyvernics
    @whyvernics 8 дней назад

    Didn't expect to see a well edited video on my main today, nonetheless one that ends with NiTW music. Excellent taste across the board

  • @CrossSockDance
    @CrossSockDance 8 дней назад

    I really like your analysis between 4 and Ult for characters, hope we get more of these.

  • @landengoodner9841
    @landengoodner9841 8 дней назад

    I'm gonna say it. Your videos are the best smash videos on youtube.

  • @aidenvega6306
    @aidenvega6306 7 дней назад +1

    When i saw sephiroth, i just thought he was better M2. because he has an actual sword, double jump and not tail hurtbox

  • @everest_roy65
    @everest_roy65 8 дней назад +1

    Oh this is why you needed the moxi video LOL
    Well done video as always btw

  • @Angry_Jetpack
    @Angry_Jetpack 8 дней назад

    Despite not having an interest in competitive Smash anymore, definitely think your content is super interesting and worth watching. Huge props to you for pulling me in with your well worded shit

  • @Hulksmashbigman
    @Hulksmashbigman 8 дней назад

    Another banger from pyro! I tried maining mewtwo once, I love his moveset and how floaty he is, but something about him just feels wrong in every game ive played him in.

  • @Hu-kun
    @Hu-kun 6 дней назад

    10:01
    Man this is a visual for how bad that tail hitbox is, with Hero's up smash. Already notorious for just not hitting anyone that isn't directly above him, still hitting Mewtwo at the side lol

  • @m.b.6791
    @m.b.6791 8 дней назад +2

    that lack of being able to hit diagonally in front of you with no great out of shield option is so bad for mewtwo. really makes him ultra vulnerable to every disjointed attack that, due to his weight, will most likely lead to him dying in mid range percent. Its awful

    • @Gigabyte019
      @Gigabyte019 8 дней назад

      @@m.b.6791 I wish upsmash scoop was better. Or grab. Or teleport. Or literally any defensive option besides airdodge.

  • @Hugelag
    @Hugelag 7 дней назад +2

    Poor Mewtwo. Got power crept in Pokemon _and_ Smash Bros...

  • @innocentshine2778
    @innocentshine2778 8 дней назад

    As a Mewtwo main since his smash 4 release, I think this is the most accurate and complete video I've ever seen on the matter. Some stuff I would add:
    -While he got some stronger kill moves, his combo game and kill confirms got much worse/inconsistent while the average punish game for the rest of the cast got much better, making his intended "glass cannon" design not really work anymore
    -Nair hitbox got smaller, making his anti-airing abilities even worse (also combined with tail hurtbox on utilt/uair/bair if you try to use them for that)
    -Shieldgrab nerf and overall unpunishability of every move in this game hurt his gameplan a lot. A "defensive" character that can't really anti air well, but also struggles to punish out of shield, in a game where a lot of the cast likes to air camp and use safe aerials, is rough
    Some other stuff that isn't as important but could be mentioned are bodyblocking doing much more bad than good for him, teleport cancel nerf, disable's new animation making it easier to pancake...

  • @StepBaum
    @StepBaum 8 дней назад

    I wanted to say not a Mii Brawler vid how could that be, then I saw the first ten seconds. great video!

  • @Mixa_Lv
    @Mixa_Lv 8 дней назад +1

    Nintendo's biggest joke to Mewtwo fans was the patch 4.0.0 where they said "Reduced the area of the tail that can take damage", everybody got instantly hyped and thought that they finally fixed it, but upon closer inspection, they just made that hitbox thinner :|

  • @jrodd13
    @jrodd13 7 дней назад +1

    Mewtwo can’t catch a break man. He’s either impossibly hard to use properly in a given game and a low tier, or braindead and spammable as a high tier. Why does my favorite character get treated this way 😭

  • @HairyShark
    @HairyShark 5 дней назад +1

    Attacking my mane mewtwo is like attacking my Dignity

  • @bencrandall-malcolm8303
    @bencrandall-malcolm8303 8 дней назад +1

    You talked about how Mewtwo only getting one airdodge hurts, but I feel like you glossed over just how much worse that one airdodge is than his smash 4 airdodge. He went from having the best airdodge in the game, leagues ahead of every other airdodge except maybe Bayonetta's, to a middle-of-the-road airdodge with basically no special properties, on the single most airdodge-reliant character in Airdodge Game. If Mewtwo's one airdodge per jump were as good as it was in 4, he would at least still have something.

  • @mikeycawlfield6539
    @mikeycawlfield6539 8 дней назад +2

    As an old sm4sh mewtwo main, im glad this vid acknowledges alllll of the issues. Mewtwos just not built for ultimate, lets hope they try again in another game.

  • @cideofsacae
    @cideofsacae 8 дней назад

    s4 mewtwo was one smooth criminal. nearly every character in that game who gained their viability through patches felt like they were designed by an entirely separate balance team that actually knew what they were doing

  • @RafaelBernabeuParreno
    @RafaelBernabeuParreno 8 дней назад +2

    I've mained Mewtwo since Smash 4, I'm Cigotoast and I think M2 could still be viable if meta was more centered around characters like Wolf where fundamentals and understanding of the general ruels of the game were important but nowadays he suffers from not having any specific minigame / unchallenged interactions like the rest of the cast.

  • @gedster
    @gedster 8 дней назад

    I pretty heavily considered picking up Mewtwo in my earliest days of Ultimate but I had no knowledge of why he just felt worse in this game than he did in Smash 4
    I went to go learn why and thought I understood it pretty well
    And yet even all these years later you release a video that teaches me even MORE about what led to this point
    This is good content :D

  • @OniiChanPls
    @OniiChanPls 8 дней назад +1

    Babe wake up, its the new Fire the Pyro video!

  • @orakodogaming4900
    @orakodogaming4900 8 дней назад

    Mewtwo is my new secondary, so I needed this. He may not be the best character, but he’s still cool af. Thanks Fire🔥🔥🔥

  • @LilyLambda
    @LilyLambda 8 дней назад +6

    Mewtwo? Is that a Mii Brawler player or something?

  • @neospkmn
    @neospkmn 8 дней назад

    Very well put together vid! Really wish Mewtwo wasnt so ass in Ult hes such a sick character 😭

  • @jetblazethunder3596
    @jetblazethunder3596 8 дней назад +1

    100% agree the biggest upgrade that happened to mewtwo was his visuals

  • @Error422win
    @Error422win 8 дней назад

    He once was a glass cannon, now he’s just glass

  • @Dancanflo
    @Dancanflo 8 дней назад +3

    My BOY!!!

  • @nicolask.3825
    @nicolask.3825 8 дней назад +1

    The way they changed his Side-B from 4 to Ult literally made me stop playing him I miss the schmovement SO bad

  • @the_bookworm8281
    @the_bookworm8281 8 дней назад

    8:02 One minor correction: up throw didn't actually get nerfed from SSB4. It actually didn't receive any changes from the previous game whatsoever (same launch angle, same damage, same base knockback, same knockback growth).
    The reason why it kills later in Ultimate is because the vast majority of legal stages going into Ultimate has their upper ceilings increased from SSB4.
    Every vertical killing move in SSB4 that didn't get changed in Ultimate all indirectly got nerfed in Ultimate due to this change.

  • @thezester3561
    @thezester3561 8 дней назад

    8:21 The part we were waiting for

  • @buttersddragon
    @buttersddragon 8 дней назад

    you can't just hit me with the mallard's tomb like that

  • @JB_CY
    @JB_CY 8 дней назад

    Very excited ro watch this. Mewtwo is an awesome character and it's wild a char with so many powerful tools is relegated to the lower tiers of ult. I wish he was more common.

  • @ggnicklu
    @ggnicklu 8 дней назад

    Playing Mewtwo is a toxic relationship. You love looking at the way M2 moves but in the end you get betrayed

  • @shogunmyoung9932
    @shogunmyoung9932 8 дней назад +5

    Thank you for finally answering my long-unanswered question of why Mewtwo is low tier in Ult but top tier in Smash 4. I was always confused at why Mewtwo is a bad character, and all I know is the tail hitbox hindering his ability to dodge attacks, until this video came out. Cheers to you Pyro, and keep up the good content!

  • @Atomic_MVS
    @Atomic_MVS 7 дней назад +1

    Fire, mayhaps do you watch Soundsith TF2? Cus there's a lot of similar transitions and funny voice over stuff. Not saying "how dare you copy soundsmith ewwww" I honestly love how far TF2 reaches, but I was curious if you mayhaps take inspiration from his voice over videos?

  • @skyeschlueter9877
    @skyeschlueter9877 8 дней назад +1

    Oh, and also, don't forget how Up Smash's scoop hitbox just... doesn't do anything half of the time, when it was super reliable in Smash 4.

  • @Kirbicon
    @Kirbicon 8 дней назад +1

    I LOVE MISSING A RUclipsR FOR MONTHS TO GET 10 MINUTE VIDEOS!!

  • @ReitheOffbeatOtaku
    @ReitheOffbeatOtaku 8 дней назад

    I co-main Mewtwo, and man, even though I did play him in Smash 4, sometimes I forget just how much better he was back then.
    Part of that is just due to the fact that I personally only played Smash 4 online and never went to any tournaments, but still, I like how starkly some of the differences between these two iterations of Mewtwo were illustrated, since it taught me some new things about my own character.
    Like damn, I’d kill to have the Smash 4 neutral air back, lol. It’s already one of the most important moves in Ultimate Mewtwo’s kit imo, and it being longer-lasting with more consistent drag-down setups would make it downright amazing.

  • @kyallon1213
    @kyallon1213 8 дней назад

    Dude I remember when Leo played mewtwo at the Kongo saga prelocal and I thought he was finally gonna be a character, and then he never touched him again

  • @beanlover6963
    @beanlover6963 8 дней назад +2

    8:39 soundsmith reference!?!

    • @aidenlilley1319
      @aidenlilley1319 6 дней назад

      this entire series is Mann's Guide and How It Feels with Smash instead of TF2. and it's great.

  • @wolfbeat6427
    @wolfbeat6427 8 дней назад

    One of my favourite characters in the game that I just think is so fun to play, but for every strength, Mewtwo has like 2 large weaknesses. Hope he get better in Smash 6. Amazing video, as usual.

  • @wolfboom2
    @wolfboom2 8 дней назад

    FireThePyro now thats a nice intro.

  • @DiloisLit
    @DiloisLit 8 дней назад

    diehard mewtwo main since first patch. this video was a GODSEND in showing how my goat fell off from sm4sh to ult rather than just saying “oh haha tail hurtbox”. another change that wasnt mentioned that they did was to back throw’s animation. mewtwo used to just close his eyes and throw the opponent away which is MUCH COOLER than what it is now.

  • @frostoblerone7009
    @frostoblerone7009 2 дня назад

    My biggest gripe is the fact that both him and Luigi lost their slipperiness from 4 to ult. It made mewtwo so fun to play