Elon Musks Dumbest Fans: BUSTED
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"Stop stop! They're already dead!"
It's like nuking a dead horse.
Always double tap.
@@theFLCLguy Gotta nuke something.
Lol...this wins the internet today.
@@SausageFingers420 We haven't nuked the moon yet... And Mars is looking at us a bit funny. I mean it is a RED planet.
Science channels attract technophobes?
You learn something every day.
Such an obviously flawed insult could only come from them. Astoundingly naive.
I think they’re honestly mistaken.
What they think is “science” is actually “faith”.
“If you put enough “faith” into the hyper loop, it will bend the laws of science!”
You know you've won the argument when your opponent's best response is to move the argument away from reason and evidence and into emotion by describing you as a "hater".
Reason and arguments never existed on their channel in the first place. There was nothing to move away from.
It also shows what type of education and intellect they really have… none.
@@fomori2 Actually, they have plenty of education and intellect. But they're True Believers, so they deliberately mangle things as a form of denial.
Whenever someone can't fight back be it logically or physically, they pretty much always seem to resort to emotional rataliation.
Extremely popular approach nowadays, rather than consider other peoples opinions with whom you may disagree, it’s easier to decide that they disagree with you because of a personality problem or emotional disorder of some kind, which relieves you from having to even consider or analyze that differing opinion. The most popular method at the moment is to characterize people who have differing opinions as being “haters.”
Posting this from my tablet. A stone tablet.
God damn it Thunderfoot... if it wasnt for you, we'd all be living in skyscrapers dangling from asteroids by now...
While sipping powdered alcohol and cruising in our thorium-cars?
Upon solar freakin roadways!!
ROFL :) ON MARS!
Atomic powered flying cars would be going to a from.
On the other hand:
I do have meetings with a screen showing the others in the meeting.
I do order stuff using a computer and it gets delivered.
I think there must be some sort of dividing line that says what ideas belong to the list of ones that will happen and what things won't. It must be the result of some sort of built in emotional bias. :) :)
Whatever the exact opposite of what a luddite is, is what most Musk fans are.
I am talking about the kinds of people who want to put computers and touchscreens into refrigerators and have an app for turning their lights on and off.
The more complex something is, the better it is. These are people who want to turn everyday mundane things into shiny new rube-goldberg devices.
After explaining heat expansion like that, you would think Sebastian would be keeping a low profile
that's why im starting to think that Sebastian is really just a really dedicated troll. I seriously dont think he cares and hes just milking this for views and attention
We don't hate technology. I love it, and I think a lot of people here do.
What we dislike is when someone is promising "a tube with a hockey table", faster than high-speed trains going through overground vacuum tubes and after a decade deliver a taxi going through an underground tunnel, slower than any other mode of transport, with all safety features removed.
Imagine proposing an air hockey like suspension in vacuum 😅😂🤣
@@suprememasteroftheuniverse right? I dont understand how more people dont realize just how ridiculous that sounds. They may as well say theyre gonna make a maglev with non-magnetic materials.
Can we blame Elon? He got rich and tons of pussy is throwing themselves at him by being a blatant conman. He has figured out the easiest way to get into a female's panties. Have full pockets and tell a bunch of lies. That reporter was hoping to be the mother of his next child because he gave her the idea that with him her life can be simple again, like it used to be with daddy.
yup, it was hyped as travelling on a cushion of air inside a vacuum tunnel and WTH is that big fan on the front supposed to be doing !! BIG snake-oil blooper there - he calls himself 'chief engineer' too lol (recently retired technophile, aeroengineer here for what it's worth)
@@patrickfox-roberts7528 I know, like trying to build a helicopter for space travel
2022 here. Still no hyperloop, still no autonomous vehicles, still no commercial rockets trips. But we still got a Elon full of shit 😂
"At least when trains were hated they actually existed" that about sums it up
@steam driver now we're trying to study wildlife preserves that don't have noise pollution from cars trains or jets.
On top of that TF never said that he "hated" the actual hyperloop. It doesn't even exist so how could he have it? He just hates the Elon Musk sycophants. So now they're straw manning the debate.
@steam driver Except HS2 makes no economic or transport sense and destroys a lot of irreplaceable forest & habitat. The money could be used better elsewhere on more modern technology to get better results. Only those luddites stuck in the age of the grand tail project want it. And the companies putting millions in their own pockets which could have done a lot of good in less grandiose local projects.
that tells a lot about tf how he hates yet nonexistent stuff , truely a neoluddite
@steam driver It's possible the collapse of cheap airlines since covid might shift the economics towards HS2 but the other side of that coin is the massive swing towards working from home with a consequent huge drop in commuter numbers which will far outweigh.
The reality is this is a flagship project which politicians believe will bring them some kudos but will inevitably end up being lambasted as massively over budget and under delivering.
At least the same number of jobs with far more widespread economic benefits as well as greater traffic reduction can be bought for less money.
It makes no sense from any angle except political flag waving and corporate profits. Plus the usual bunce opportunities we see from palms being greased along the way. Are you one of those earning big bucks from HS2 or just another anorak getting wood at the thought of a fast train to spot?
30 minutes of thunderf00t roasting fools? For the third time? Count me in.
I hope he doesn't repeat things from previous videos to much this time 😅
@@m4c1990 "I hope he doesn't repeat things from previous videos to much this time 😅" at some point all you can do is repeat the same points or move on to something else...
that's the reason anti-sjw and anti-religion content isn't as popular anymore... there just isn't really that much new to say
"Only Musk-fans don't know why people laugh at Musk-fans."
DOCTOR Thunderf00t, probably.
Dumb A$$ & Dumb B!tch are just asking for it, as they should have focused on making logical arguments instead of just counter attacking...
Musk is a bit of a conman, and his die-hard supporters are Tools...
Otherwise, they would have taken issue with the Bull $hit Tesla tried against Rich Rebuilds. Of course, Tesla could also stop charging Ferrari like Cost$ for service & repairs...
But hen if your best product is inferior to the much cheaper Chevy Bolt in so many ways, you have to focus on Bull $hit instead...
@@innocentbystander3317 there are but two kinds of people in this world,Musk fans and everybody else
I laughed every time the guy referred the the white paper and said “It is written…” 😆
hahahaha
I flush my white papers daily. I hear daily movements are a good thing 😂
All hail the white paper
You _know_ it's a scam when you get branded a "tech-hater" just for asking "does it work?"
I mean, evolutionary psychology is a pseudoscence, they might as well have used horoscopes to prove their point
Nice to see jixuan & sebastian branching out from being wrong about physics to being wrong about evolutionary biology and psychology
They keep showing their "capabilities", for everyone to see.
How long until they form a new branch of creationism that posits Musk created the universe using the white paper (all glory)?
/s btw
wrong³
I just find it funny how they just keep attacking the tech and science communities by calling us all illiterate whilst demonstrating that even if they had a communications degree they still get everything laughably wrong.... and it's always fun as ever watching Thunderf00t calling this out whilst showing the lack of viability of Musks' endeavours.
Next, the duo are likely to demonstrate the lack of maths (oh, wait, already done... hopes they get something right), English (Trends and epistemological re-trending of word use cases in multiple abstracted sub-dialects of English, though I can see them making common fallacies on this one too X'D) and possibly the lack of understanding of CGI (Erm.... Oh, that happened already ._. )
They've become experts in ad hominems though
OMG it's Part III! It's officially a trilogy now. What's everyone's favourite?
All of them.
Those two are pretty much digging their own graves by now.
neo-luddite uses RUclips to hate technology hands down
EEVblog is the most insidious neo-Luddite of all. Practically indistinguishable from a tech youtuber.
ahhh the Dunning-Kruger couple Jixuan & Sebastian
I think this one is my favorite because of that part where they're like "if you just had a happy childhood and you think positive thoughts then you'll welcome new technology and it will change everything and make all the world better.
That's classic Muskrat thinking right there. "Oh if we just believe really really hard and clap three times and wish upon the teardrop of a magical moon fairy we'll have hyperloops!"
Whoa they are literally gas-lighting anyone who criticizes them. That's intense. Thanks Thunderf00t for staying so measured in your replies and critiques.
I like how they are castigating "luddites" for opposing automation, but also Musk put human driven teslas in a tunnel where a self driven subway train would have done the same job for cheaper.
And more people
More safely
Faster
Ah yes. The good ole, "The scientist hates science" argument!
Good one!
“Why can’t you just believe in OUR science?!”
Science is more like a spectrum...
Actually... science is just a method.
Technically speaking it's the physicists hate technology.
@@ThePrufessa Well he's more than just a physicist, he also has backgrounds in chemical science (even did teaching and experimentation for a university), nuclear science, IT, etc. Not to mention his personal hobbies of studying astronomy and drones.
"The white paper. The white paper. All glory to the White Paper!!" Tickles me every time.
The white paper has been rolled up and is currently being used.
"Musk and the White Paper says, therefore its true."
and
"Jesus and the Bible says, therefore its true."
Find the differences in the 2 sentences above.
I live my life through the white paper.
The Virgin White paper vs The Chad peer-reviewed paper
As it has been written! from our holy lord it has been decreed! We must not question!
7:31 After she said that, and remembering that Elon sent his workers back into the factory under threat of being fired, against locality mandates, during a covid-19 peak, shortly after being declared the richest man on earth, I started to think. When I thought about, Musk anti-union activity, the insane work hours of employees, general screwing over partners, and otherwise quite unreasonable treatment, I came to a conclusion.
If being against that kind of treatment makes me a Ludite, I will wear the luddite label with pride.
The Luddites were very active near where I grew up and they were in the right on principle and mostly in action too. Like I'm pretty close to Rawfolds Mill and the attack they did on it was a really big event, and no doubt put fear into a lot of mill owners. They'd banned trade unions a few years earlier so kind of had it coming that people would organise to do more extreme illegal things.
@@Graknorke I'm a local in Liversedge too. Small world.
"You remember all those neo-luddites wanting to burn down Apple stores, right?"
Well, I'm sometimes tempted to burn down Apple stores, but not because I hate technology. It's because the most recent version of the Apple mac-book I was stupid enough to buy is terribly designed and removed all of their previous version's best features in the name of making the machine thinner, which also had the side effect of leaving it with inadequate cooling and a keyboard that is prone to failure because you can't effectively clean it without breaking the keys.
true
I still want my fuckin 3.5mm back. Bastards, the lot of them.
Hmmm... I'm a computer engineer, with an industrial grade network in my home and solar panels I installed myself..
I own some serious digital camera equipment, and one of my hobbies is electronics.
Imagine how shocked I am to discover I'm a luddite.
Same here, playing with electronic since I was 15, programmed since I was about 16, built a uav plane myself when it was not yet mainstream with a custom point to point navigation (couldn't get that stuff on DIY board yet) now about to get a degree in mechatronic engineering, yet it seems I hate progress technology, evolution and I want to get back to banging two rocks together to start a fire in my cave.
Hate to tell you.. But yes. Get out of the reality distortion field of Tfoot once in a while.
@@REVOLUTIONS51 your nickname also suggest you really oppose change! :P
If you were serious about technology, you would be digging your own hypertunnel.
@@GintaSuiseiseki right, because your Lord Musk is the single purveyor of science and technology, those who oppose him oppose progress itself
When they revert to just name-calling, you know you've won the battle as they couldn't counter any of the debunking you did in the 1st 2 videos.
Pathetic.
No no no ELON is fraud BELIVE ME!!! PLEASE!!! Unsubscribed after 8 years finally..
he says, in a comment section of a video titled "...Dumbest Fans...". OK, I got you. Right.
I'm not simping anyone here, I'm just here for the popcorn drama
@@GintaSuiseiseki Peace out!
@@GintaSuiseiseki Correct. Elon is a complete fraud. And no one cares about you "unsubbing" to a channel you were never subscribed to.
@@GintaSuiseiseki
> Unsubscribed after 8 years finally
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
The lengths some people will go to defend con-men and high-functioning psychopaths will never cease to amaze me.
jixuan! you don't have to wear that dress tonight!
As they always say, it's easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they've been fooled.
@@electric7487 well yea - sunken cost fallacy.
It is unfortunatly quite human.
Jings mr thunderfoot, I don't think I've properly appreciated how painful it must be for you to listen to people like this, but please don't stop making these videos. You are doing the world a valuable service.
Don't let him seeing you commenting "Christ".
@@suprememasteroftheuniverse OK, see edit
"The only thing stopping people from living without eating for nine years is neo-luddites".
I'm quoting this.
Breatharians: pfft of course this clown ignores were already here.
Who's saying people can live without eating for 9 years?
I loved the Breatharians video. I always thought that beyond the obvious, there is one good item of proof. The fact that no Armed force uses it. Thing about it, one of the major costs of deploying any armed forced is simply feeding and watering the people involved, together with taking their waste products away and processing them. The supply chains are also a potentially major target for enemy attacks. Destroy an invading army's food supply chain and, after a few days, they are effectively disabled. The logistics required to get the food to people are a major cost to any army. You can bet that if Humans could exist without food, the Armed Forces would already be doing it.
@@stuartcastle2814 What do breaharians have to do with Musk's space travel plans?
@@williampennjr.4448 Ignoring that no one was talking Musk until you, food is heavy(for a hundred person/sixty day mission profile, it comes to over five metric tons) and not having to carry it would make starship slightly less absurd.
Edit: I just realized I screwed up the mission profile. For a six-month journey, it comes out to about fifteen metric tons of food - a very not small portion of starship's advertised launch capacity.
Apparently I'm a technophobe, while being a hardware and firmware developer working on/with new technologies on a monthly basis.
These people have a huge dunning-Kruger issue and believe marketing mumbo-jumbo because of it.
Them : "look we're making science"
You : *shows proof that they are wrong*
Them : "hater"
Well, they apparently thought their graves weren't deep enough, they had to use the victim card and bring feelings to science...big win
Yeah I'm an aerospace engineer and this shite is getting sadder and sadder as time goes by.
I was doing my degree when Challenger happened and when the debacle that was Space Station Freedom went on.
Most people don't know that the original budget was $20 Billion.
When that was considered too much it was redesigned and the number came back at $30 Billion.
When that was considered too much it was redesigned and the number came back at $40 Billion.
Then we got the ISS for about $120Billion.
I bet you have similar stories and as usual we have to put up with clowns like these causing all sorts of distractions.
@@tonywilson4713 Well... I've recently been reassigned to work on some circuit-boards and firmware design, meant to be installed inside a satellite.
We've to test our designs with de-caped chips, which means that the protective cover/package around the component is removed to simulate the harsher space environment. We haven't had very much luck with our current project, the de-caped chips we're supposed to use are so sensitive ... just breading within arms-lengths of them seems enough to damage them beyond repair...
Project is couple months beyond schedule, due to one stubborn chip that refuses to cooperate...
@@timmy7201 You lucky bugger. In all my time since graduating I have never got to work on satellites. I have been off doing other things.
I haven't had that exact problem but know what those sorts of problems are like. Every step forwards feels like your dragging a truck up hill. Most of the time your on the edge of going postal.
Best I can suggest is have the whole team go and do something totally unrelated and totally trivial. Go bowling or something. One of you has the answer you just need something that gets your brains unfocused so that it can get out through the noise.
I did a control system project on a sheet metal machine back in the 90s that had this insane problem we'd never seen before and couldn't work out WTF was going on. It wouldn't be there, then it would and it was NEVER the same.
The solution hit me in the gym one afternoon. In the middle of a set of reps suddenly there it was - No joke. I was n the gym and pumping reps and bam I knew what was going on. Next morning I put in the code and bam problem solved.
If its driving you nuts then get out and away from it or the noise in everyone's head will keep drowning out the solution.
Haha yes, it is extraordinary.
I explained the numbers behind climate saving claims of electric cars, and I was called a luddite and scared of innovation. I didn't know whether to laugh or puke since I'm working in the field of innovation 6 days a week.
Cultists are not rational people. I even question their intelligence.
Only thing you could accurately accuse Thunderf00t of psychologically is maybe being a tad too smug, but that’s part of his charm.
When Jixuan speaks she looks like she's trying to suck a bowling ball through a straw. I'm not saying that I'd be any better if I tried to learn Chinese, but I can feel the stress, and that makes her tough to watch.
Maybe you wouldn't look any better if you tried to learn Chinese. But would you become a channel host for chinese auditory, while your chinese was still on that god awful level? That would be borderline insulting, same as listening to this Jixuan (english is not my native language either). Disgusting.
I find her pained Expressions really hard to watch. Every time I see her I'm like, "why does she keep making these faces like she's being tortured?" I'm not 100% sure it has anything to do with languages. But it might
It's like she's successfully somehow ingested the bowling ball and she's now trying to defecate it!
If she actually CAN suck a bowling ball through a straw however, I must say she just became the sexiest woman on the planet.
Yeah, I am an actual Luddite, heteronormative middle aged, middle class, anglo-celtic male, so these things still matter to me. Just saying :p
"there's Neo-luddites and Neo-marxists hiding in every bush!!!!" -idiots
Part III - Dude, you spent so much time for these idiots... You're a real hero.
And I don't have techno-phobia, I have idiot-phobia.
You have hypertechnophobia. You're afraid of hyper technologies like the hyper loop and the revolutionary underground car tunnel system.
LoL just messing around
@@arcrides6841 sure.
@@user-sg9mg6cn2c no worries, Thunderfoot will take down all kinds of retarded people. Just don't ask him to provide a reasoned and consistent argument, actual logic or - heavens forbid - honest research. I wonder if he'll ever get around to adressing the smart people that took his sorry excuse for mathematics apart or showed how he did little to no research and misrepresented even the little bit he did research.
anyone who does that sht to his hair that Sebastian does any time after 1995 should be laughed off RUclips.
@@Argosh Do you have even the slightest clue of what you just spewed out?
I don't believe they are still at it. I'm not even mad, that's amazing.
I have a feeling they're still at it because it's probably giving them good publicity along with the bad it might be helping make their Channel grow and make them more money
They have a small following of pseudo-intellectual and pseudoscience Simps.
🤷🏿♂️
I'm mad. Both of their voices are grating.
"Baxter? Is that you?"
"Bark twice if you're in Milwaukee!"
@@gram. I'd prefer she use her native language and just use subtitles
When an argument devolves into character assassination, you know you've won.
They don't have anything valid and supportable behind their own arguments so they attack Thunderfoot character instead as a means to demean him.
Sad...
As someone who is studying to become a scientist, I am very impressed by you flexing your publications and citations
Sebastian and Jixuan are the type of people who would order a $3000 EVscope
They want to drive their thorium powered car on solar freaking roadways. If only Thunderf00t didn't stand in their way...
Did you know that the word "gullible" is not in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary?
Not only order it, but also be happy they did, make a video about it, and try to convince their audience to place their orders too.
@@glitteringsunshine4306 >Looks<
>Facepalms<
🤣
@@glitteringsunshine4306 I see what you did there.
absolutely died when she started talking about world view. another brilliant roast.
Omg and she is so creepy... 😆🤪
She could always get a job giving tuggies a a massage parlor but that seems like a dangerous job these days 😂
@@TheGearsKing yeah she could've been in the news recently......
@@TheGearsKing with her lips tho she'd be doing more than just dandy handies
@@TheGearsKing id never want a tugging off her, she'd never shut up and id want to smother her lol
It's _really_ important to understand that the Luddites were (very rightly!) protesting capitalist control of machinery to devalue labor; that the adoption of the machinery made the worker's material conditions worse.
Right. They were less, " Technology Bad!" And more, " Arm Being torn off by unsafe bullshit is horseshit!"
The Luddites were skilled weavers and textile workers who were worried that the new machinery would be operated by [relatively] unskilled workers... thereby putting them out of jobs. Turns out they were right.
They were right on that point, but they were very wrong on the broader point. Everyone as a whole is much better off with machine-made cloth. Without it, many jobs would not exist, and nobody could afford all the clothing we have today, and much more.
@@michaelsommers2356while I might argue the value of hand made vs machine made cloth you are totally right on your point. Definitely better off with technology.
@@maggiee639 It's not that machine-made cloth is better, but it's less expensive, so people can afford it, and it can be made in greater quantities.
On behalf of the whole Federal Republic of Germany I would like to apologize for Sebastian!
Oh dear, he's german? I didn't need to know …
Be careful when speaking on behalf of Germany 😳
Those pictures of the factory at 24:50 look eerily similar to a house
Fuck, really?
@D Yes I could think of someone :D And all of Germany hates that person, except for some shaved-headed gentlemen
"Why the hate?" She asks? I don't know, perhaps she could answer that question herself; her voice seems to be dripping with it. Calling a con man a con man, and proving it, isn't hate speech.
I just love to hate about how smug and self-satisfied they are.
Also the projection of those two are top quality lols, if they only had learned that it's not wise to throw stones while you live in a house of glass.
"Hate speech" isnt a thing and its a foolish concept at its core placing government entities in power over your thoughts and speech is plain brainless
@@christophercombs7561 No, hate speech is a thing.
@@anzaca1 no no it isnt
the Thermal Expansion thing was my favorite thing that pissed me off. I am a welder and I know that steel expands, the best example is tanker ships expansion
but it cancels out, dude!
It's even worse. He thinks the temperature difference is between the ends. Nothing like being at least doubly-wrong.
@@georgegonzalez2476 He knows exactly how things work; he's deliberately mangling things as a form of denial. He won't accept the fact that it won't ever be viable.
@@electric7487i feel like this must be true. I am a freaking hairdresser and I know the metal expansion will be a problem because I’m not an idiot.
"Everyone that does not agree with us is a bad person" - wonder where I've heard that before....
The _internet_
Sounds like almost all of the organized religions
Man, this is the height of cultism around that man.
I dont really care if he scams.. bcoz the only ppl that he scams are liberal coastal elites with enough money. And I see no evidence he uses it to build a bond villain lair with a bunch of sex slaves like epstein.. as long as he sell pipedreams to rich morons to do research.. fine by me. I hardly think a coal miner or single mother with 2 jobs have stocks in musk company's. If Elon can bankrupt the liberal extremist all the better!
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 that's twitters obligation.. there were lots of accounts hacked by an insider on Twitter. Therefor it's twitters responsibility to make it right. Has nothing to do with Elon or Obama and all the others... and if u think miners or other low income ppl buy stocks ur crazy. Maybe a 20yr old with no family of their own that lives for free with parents. But if u have a family u don't have money to buy stocks. Tesla is at 670 usd right now.. u think someone that earns that in a week will use it to buy 1 stock. Even if they make double that they wouldn't do it. And another thing, blue collar workers don't give a shit about Elon.
He is the God of silicon valley and other woke coastal elites. Middle America is more likely to hate him coz they see him as a risk to their lifestyle. If ur rich and sell electric cars u will use ur money and power to influence politics to outlaw non electric cars. So they probably hate him if they know anything about him at all.
I think Musk did not intend this originally, he is just a person who tends to make speculative claims. But now he understands that he accidentally developed a wide base of sheepish supporters, and intentionally feeds them to do free marketing for him. For Musk as a businessman, this is great - whatever he says is automatically promoted and defended, and it does not cost him a penny. This of course causes investors, who often look at nothing but media coverage and "trends", to pour money into Musk's business.
Have you heard of Trump?
Cult of Thunderfoot? Wouldn't mind joining that one :D
This dude is a genius. He solved the problem of contracting railways with a shrug.
Dude literally convinced people that a train in a tube is cheaper to build and maintain than a train on some tracks.
"I'll figure it out" He didn't
Cars traveling in tunnels!!! What a visionary.
@@paulberry2884 who needs to help solve Earth's problems when you can build overpriced shut that doesn't work and just fuck off to Mars
.. The problem I have with him is he NEVER turns his skeptism or bad value for money detector on Uber-Science... Never attacks academia or the academic system... These people have wasted far more money than all the crazy private sector scams out there... He's like a gatekeeper for The Scientific Dictatorship of politicised academic uber-control...
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Never insults the vast quantities of ever larger and more useless Tokamaks, Neutrino detectors, particle smashers, deep space telescopes, climate control BS, etc. etc.... As a tax payer, the Scientific-Military-Industrial-Data Collection Complex is a far worse parasite than creatard preachers, pi$$ taking alternative facts types and privateer con-artists.
As an Electronic Engineer, I must be a luddite, because I do not understand physics and Elon Musks BS.
The funny part is I imagine most of the people who watch this channel love the videos about the cool new science shit he’s working on as much or more than these videos. I personally love it when he shows the cool stuff he’s working on.
Thunderf00t: "I have concerns that this technology you propose may be hampered by limitations in [materials/costs/laws of physics] you haven't considered."
Musk Fan: "OMG! You just want people to stay in the stone age forever! Look at our awesome 3D renders of something that doesn't exist!"
Thunderf00t eternally BTFO, how ever will he recover from such a sick burn?
Well i have bad news for you.. industry is having a whole different view on SpaceX Guess they do not subscribe to Tfoots Channel. So yesterdays article. arstechnica.com/science/2021/03/european-leaders-say-an-immediate-response-needed-to-the-rise-of-spacex/
@@GintaSuiseiseki musk never said that SpaceX isn't good he said about the promises of musk if you back in the video he say that SpaceX is cheaper with about 10-20% but no where near the 10x or the absurd 100x cheaper claims of musk
@@skelet8337 Nobody cares about Elons Promises. we care for the things that have been made by spaceX and are being made. And accordong to Tfoot s previous videos SpaceX was Bad Bad noobs. 100X cheaper was "sometime in the Future"
@@GintaSuiseiseki "nobody cares about Musk's promises" - a ton of people clearly care and do buy into his BS
Laws of physics? We have very good lawyers for that. ;)
These guys are the ultimate "I just graduated BSC so i'm smarter than everyone" we all love.
Apparently that guy Sebastian has a PhD in physics. In case you were wondering if it's possible to be an idiot and earn a PhD, now you know it is.
@@Marmocet He is the proof that intelligence is not needed for higher education.
I just don't believe you can get a phd and getting thermal expansion that wrong.
@@MrMichaelfalk He cheated and/or plagiarized his way through. I graduated with an MSEE and I watched dudes who didn't belong there get degrees and that was in the 90s so I'm sure the same thing occurs nowadays.
@@AnEvolvingApe Having worked with and managed Engineers with Masters degrees. despite not having any degree myself, I'm continually amazed at how useless it is possible for those with "qualifications" to be. So none of this shit surprises me, it all comes down to the individual :)
Elon's greatest achievement is an electric Ford Pinto that locks the driver inside, self-ignites, and therefore eliminates the need for a casket and crematorium.
now I'm tempted to say don't give these scammers more publicity because there will always be the dumb and ignorant who fall for them and quite possibly some of em deserving the lesson but then as a critically thinking honest person someone has to spit in their soup, thanks for the video! 😁👍
I love how they're trying to label a scientist an anti-tech luddite lol
This is how progressives think. All of them. You are a "luddite" for not bowing to their emotional dreaming. These are the type of people who elect Authoritarians. There is nothing Critical about people like this. Their laws will be the same. Blurry and at your expense.
@@bartacomuskidd775 no no no. This is the second idiotic comment in here trying to turn this into a culture war thing. What's wrong with you? This pair are just moronic Musk stans, they aren't "woke" or "progressives" or "democrats", what on earth are you on about?
@@johnnypopstar do you know them personally? Because your assumptions seem just as idiotic.
@@w1984t *My* assumptions? Dog, *he* just assumed that they are "progressives" and then proceeded to throw a bunch of the usual far-right talking points at them. *He* is the one making assumptions.
They are fucking morons, yes, and there's no need to try and bring your pet culture war into this. Trump lost. Get over it.
@@johnnypopstar Hear Hear!! To call them progressive is an insult to actual progressives. Many of whom hate Elon Musk and his fake cult of personality followers...
I can smell the burn and I didn't press play yet 😂
Does it smell like pork?
Hell yeah, these are some freaking juicy comments too! 🤣🤣🤣
@@Chrisamic Smells like a SpaceX crash
Teleportation is the easy fix for traffic problems. Its also environmentally friendly. I hope Elon is working on it.
That is if you want to disintegrate once you teleported (not joking).
@@SpartanJoe193 judging how his ‘auto pilot’ works , you are right😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Watching it again in 2023, the video is aging like a finest wine.
They don't counter his arguments or examples, but instead go for the _ad hominem_ appeal to motive and tone policing.
I also like the accusations of "aggression," just like flat earthers and young Earth creationists who bring NO internally consistent Universe model to debates and act like they're being attacked by obviously frustrated opponents. It tells me they have NOTHING to stand on or behind.
Thunderf00t hates rockets because he's British and his grandparents died from V2 after having to flee the continent due to their large noses.
He's just giving them free money (through publicity) at this point.
And thay may not be totally wrong about that. Look at his videos. This whole thing has become too personal for thunderfoot. If he is not careful, Musk will be walking on Mars (we know he will eventually, economically viable or not) and thunderfoot will be the leader of the next generation of moon (mars-) landing sceptics, wasting his life on convincing internet-dwellers that the Mars landing was (is going to be) fake
@@dfdhfhgj 🤣
Their argument just boils down to "I know you are but what am I?"
Not as sophisticated though, a simple "no u" is more like it.
Thunderf00t provides reason and facts to counter them...
Those two? Literally is only "no, I agnorr all dat, uhhh.. ewe arr jast skared of technologieee"
The thing about having taken up watching debunking videos lately is that I get to learn about all sorts of crack pots I would never have learned about on my own.
What I find the most absolutely precious thing about Sebastian and Jixuan's spew is that they think that they are the ones who are looking out for a bright future... a future where Elon Musk leaves behind an ecologically devastated Earth and rules on Mars as a techno-Messiah/Emperor. You think that's a _bright_ future Elon is leading you towards, Sebastian, Jixuan?
The Luddites didn't "dislike technology", so much as they were protesting against the appalling working conditions that they were being forced into because of that technology.
Better work conditions than working on a farm your entire life doing back breaking work
@@AverageAlien at that time an agricultural worker needed to work far less then an industrial worker who often worked 12 hours days, six days a week with a half day Sunday. Work was hard and dangerous with no support for sick or injured workers, the food in cities was subject to constant adulteration and the water often polluted, leading to many health problems. Unsanitary conditions lead to disease running rampant. Enclosure of the land meant people who became city workers couldn’t just up and become farmers. The industrial revolution did improve the overall wealthy society but it was built on the backs of workers and was only with massive cajoling from progressives, reformers and revolutionaries that it was gradually moved towards a more equal footing.
@@davidjordan697 Bullshit. If that's true the how come so many people emigrated to cities specifically to work in a factory? Because it was easier work. Yes they weren't paid a lot, but they were paid their worth. And repetitive unimportant jobs don't pay a lot, that's nobodies fault. I'd rather be in a slightly uncomfortable factory all day, doing some simple repetitive task, than working with primitive tools in the blistering sun all day, doing back breaking farm work till the day I die.
At least I can progress in a factory. If you're smart enough you can even get a better job! Shocking.
@@AverageAlien for a long time more people died in cities than were produced in the cities. The city population growth was from rural people moving into the city for economic prospects.....based on reproduction rates alone....the rural environment was more nurturing than city life.
Yes there is more money in the cities than in on the farms but that doesn't mean the conditions for living was better.
@@AverageAlien also those repetitive jobs are important. The ability to do those jobs requiring a low entry level doesn't make them unnecessary. The devaluing of the job is from the fact that other workers could replace them. This is why unions scare the shit out of companies. The idea that a company has employees that are "unnecessary" is wrong. If a job is unnecessary it doesn't need to be done not replaced with someone who will except a cheaper wage.
Thanks for delivering content for us technophobes!
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Get lost with your trendy message-birds. Real luddites stick to smoke signals.
Good bless the smoke signals I mastered to send this reply.
@@TheStarBlack beat me to it.
You barbarians use smoke signals? What happened to using grunts and screams as communication?
Grub is disappointed
I don't use carrier pigeons because I'm a Neo-Luddite and I'm afraid of Pigeon Messaging technology. I hate it and feel like I'm being left behind by all this Carrier Pigeon Messaging technology.
gronk oog oog urk urk urk
It's really lame how Musk fans project their anger after spending so much energy on annoying the shit out of the rest of us. We can bust the fake claims by Musk's various ventures one by one without even getting into what kind of person he is IRL, but then come the fans with their venom. They are the first ones to make it personal every time, and they're far more annoying than their idol by the time they're done spewing.
If this technology actually existed and worked as claimed then it would be revolutionary. But the criticism isn't for an existing revolutionary technology but for a claimed technology that isn't practical, feasible or even real. Big difference.
Listening to Jixuan and Sebastian is like listening to fingernails scraping a blackboard
Spot on!!!
Actually fingernails would be more interesting...
@@blackice9088 Nah I find it pretty funny. It's like a live parody.
It honestly makes me wonder, 80% of their videos are about Musk and his cult. Occasionaly there are videos related to NASA (mostly criticizing it for being old and inefficient), Bezos and China. Are they just being paid for this? 2 years of producing those videos non-stop. Either they simply aim for specific type of audience or they earn some side funds.
They are both horrid, but she sounds like she has a mouth full of marbles....
You can see the pain of the cognitive dissonance on her face.
You have to be smart to have cognitive dissonance. This is not the case.
I actually recommend keeping a copy of the white paper in hard-back form to smack yourself over the head with it. It really helps keep all of the info in.
"I have no arguments, so I'll attack the person" - How can people even take them seriously...?
Cos they are woke. Being the depressed social kind is their thing.
@@G777GUN ... this isn't a culture war thing, guy. This is just Musk stans being Musk stans.
They swallow everything Daddy Muskrat says, hook line & sinker. That means anyone contradicting his BS is a depraved wicked person.
some people function entirely on emotion facts are not as important to them. i think people should have forehead tattoos indicating there rationality level so we can avoid talking to people like elons dumbest fans
Yeah, this actually can count as an ad hominem fallacy.
You can attack someone's character without it being a fallacy btw, but when the attack is used instead of an argument in order to get people to dismiss someone's idea/argument, then its a fallacy.
I believe the 2 Muskites (Jixuan, Seb), have committed it.
Why does it look like every syllable she pronounces causes her excruciating pain?
Maybe she's just smart enough to realize how dumb she is, and it's as painful to her as it is to the rest of us
going to make more accounts for more thumbs
It’s the viewers who are suffering...
Maybe she is in pain. You can't see her feet. Who knows what torture they used to get her to say this BS.
"When ego supersedes [actual] talent, the result(s) ain't good".
Imagine how great Elon would be if he actually had a background in engineering.
he would keep his trap shut
@@DrWhomactual scientists and engineers don't brag like little ass kids that had their parents buy them a new console
It's astonishing how bad they are at identifying thunderf00t's audience.
“Let’s call a very specific demographic of viewers who love a combination of hardcore science and technology, watching the channel of a career scientist, “technophobes and luddites”! That’ll show ‘em!”
The path of cognitive dissonance is a slippery slope.
@@Mmmmilo i doubt that anyone who loves science and technology would agree with masons statements when he mixes up various spacecrafts and "guesses" numbers for his calculations.
@@nwoDekaTsyawlA
I'm doubtful they have any cognitive dissonance, which would require actual cognition, to be dissonant.
They're so high on peak Dunning-Kruger, their single mindedness is legendary.
@@Nekroleinchen to err is human and educated guesses for numbers are extremely common in science. understanding that we can't know things exactly is one of the first steps.
I thoroughly hate their smug arrogance. "Not being able to counter with facts, let's now try homebrewed psychoanalysis."
They're probably smug because they get paid by Musk either way, whether their videos are full of bullshit or not.
Ironically it's trivial to psychoanalise Sebastian's bruised ego. His face leaks emotion as does his choice of words.
I'd love to see a real professional's reaction to their DIY psychoanalysis...
It's cheap ad hominem. Even supposing Thunder was a miserable neo-Luddite basement virgin, the focus should be on his arguments and assessments. These have notably not received any serious counters, year after year, in case after case. At this point, if Thunder says something, I listen. Skeptically, perhaps, but I do listen.
TBH I think Thunderf00t is being the smug one here, big time. They seem like two nice people that, if one were to sit down on a patio and have a few hours conversation it would be possible to come away with some changed attitudes and a few agree-to-disagrees. Taking the poke-in-the-eye approach doesn't often work.
Its not about hating new technologies. It's about debunking bogus technologies or false technological predictions.
Jixuan looks as though she is in intense physical pain trying to speak in English
"why would anyone try to prove a claim is false?" that's literally the goal of peer review. A scientific claim is made and we try to prove it false because proving it's true is bias.
That's why they are science illiterates.
No it isn't. Peer-review is little more than a spell-check. Trying to prove a claim false is the very method of science. The "gold standard" of science is replication.
Not so much biased as it is, as far as we know, impossible. It's logically impossible to prove universal statements (like scientific laws and theories) are true based on induction from limited empirical data. That's why, at least since Karl Popper proposed falsification, proving hypothesis wrong is methodologically speaking the goal of scientific experimentation.
Edit: induction, not indiction. :p
@@zottejakke3 Well said. It's odd how few people seem to understand that, these days.
@Bob Landers Sir What'sisname said "if your results rely on statistics, you should've done a better experiment."
"Weren't really good, in fact they were really bad". Amazing, mind-blowing insight from jixuan
Indeed
This floor consist of floor
@@iglidor In fact, the floor is not a celing
Were less great, more terrible.
She has some experience in it because her ancestors were probably part of that movement
Sebastian talks about being scared of being left behind. If he takes Jixuan and Elon to Mars I don't mind being left behind.
oh my, the voice and facial expressions of that woman make me want to die.
Watching that woman try to speak is crazy , in fact I don't think she's really the one talking . I think somebody just fed her peanut butter and they're adding somebody else's words in later .
Are sure it isn't a puppeteer that is doing the talking? 🤔
Rofl
probably
If you can’t win the argument, you start attacking your opponent to make him seem invalid
I think Fritz and Yoko need to demand a refund on their college "educations"
Fritz & Yoko 😂👍
Their passive aggressive way of talking really gets under my skin. Cool down, people.
For a Luddite, you sure have some expensive tech.
Indeed.
High speed camera, infrared camera, light spectrometer, vacuum equipment, all sorts of glassware. And that's just the top of the list.
Jixuan and Sebastian sound like they have to memorize their lines.
They're too illiterate to write cue cards, I guess.
Like scientologists.
hahaha
oh come on.... ofcoursetheyhaveto
@@veryunusual126 I mean, at least that's a level of criticism even Thunderfoot can compete with! I wonder why he never replied to any of the smart people tearing his "logic" and non existent research apart. So strange.
@@Argosh because he is a weird dude
The funniest part is, Nedd Ludd didn´t even exist, he´s just like Jesus.
So as Hyperloop is in the scrap yard now, Have the two stooges apologised yet?
This can't end well, for them
Irrelevant. They will never admit to being wrong, even if, and when, Musk fails to get to the moon, never mind Mars.
Instead, they'll complain about evil governments and corporations conspiring against Musk's efforts.
@@Argumemnon
“Obviously, Elon musk did not invent cat girls because a couple of people on RUclips criticized him!”
Thunderf00ck is always attacking any idea or proposal that's progressive, be it socially or tech/scientifically. Womxn of color especially are not allowed to express their views on how to make the world a better place and face this hateful troll's abuse if they do. SMH
@@jessicatriplev9802 no. Only the bullshit ones...regardless of which sexual organ are in between their legs or their sexual preferences. TF is an equal opportunity buster.
@@jessicatriplev9802 Womxn is deemed non-inclusive by the woke-crowd, just shows how much u know u vegan femi-nazi troll xD Fact dont care about feelings or politics, just accept it allready :P
Been watching this guy since 2006 and everytime someone starts shit with him he has consistently owned them everytime.
That's cause science does not care about feelings, it cares about facts.and it's always correct
@@MrDmadness no. Thats not what science is. Also science is not always correct.
Science is a process hy which we create predictive models of reality that we can then utilize in other ways.
Newton's gravity once reigned supreme and youd claim science was correct then. The reality is science does not look for truth. You people in the yay science or "we love science" crowd don't actually understand the thing you claim to support. You mostly just like the fruits of the labor from it.
Go read actual studies and realize what real science is like.
@@mikoi7472 you're not wrong, but you're really trying hard to have a fight.. generally, does this turn out well for you ? Tell me something you know that presently holds a greater degree of measurable factcandctruth than science and I will yeild the argument you're attempting to have, otherwise id say you've failed. Proven peer reviewed science..... yup, pretty correct last I checked.
@@MrDmadness " you're not wrong, but you're really trying hard to have a fight"
The word you're looking for is, right.
"Tell me something you know that presently holds a greater degree of measurable factcandctruth than science and I will yeild the argument you're attempting to have"
How about you show that science actually finds truth? Because it doesn't. It literally does not attempt to find truth. It finds predictive models of reality. This is why science is a process and not a fucking worldview or some ambiguous thing you people treat it as. It's simply a tool to facilitate other tools. Newton's model of gravity isn't truth. General relativity isn't truth. These are PREDICTIVE MODELS.
"Proven peer reviewed science"
Replication crisis. Like seriously, you know nothing about academia or science. You honestly are just a fanboy of the outcomes of it. Have you ever even read a peer reviewed paper? My guess is no. My guess is you probably don't even know what a P value or confidence interval is.
@@mikoi7472 go drop a stone outside.. it accelerated at a rate of 9.8 m/sec.. science is right, your argument is of ignorance
Imagine being a Elon Musk fanboy.
@@TC-zf1ji Its just a different form of religion for people with no fatherfigure. So they compensate by simping for Elon
The horror. The horror.
It's unbelievable there are so many
I love tech, probably more than people should. I hate Tesla and Musketeers because they ignore all the glaring problems with Musk's promises and Tesla's sketchy service, anti-consumer practices, and overall absurdly poor quality construction.
"Why would anyone hate these new technologies?"
Show me an actually new technology from Musk and maybe we'll discuss it.
Don’t like Musk, but the raptor engine is a formidable achievement.
AFAIK PayPal was a genuinely novel idea when it came out and he probably had a lot more input there as it was one of his first projects
@Coolgamer127 LOL you're right. He had a tangential relationship at best with PayPal ... I'd always heard of Elon Musk in relation to PayPal but I never dug into it to verify
@@daft9816 the guy that made that engine quit and they just kept the design lol musk do be loving to steal ideas then fire the people whom made it a lot like Edison did
He made a larger AA battery, That must count as a new technology, right?
Rember kids: elon musk is just another millionaire . He dosnt care about you
*billionaire, but yeah. His "solutions" to problems like transportation and climate change make that pretty evident.
What I respect about muck its the PR he has built for himself. Man can litteraly openly scam people and he will still be praised.
@@davidvalencia129 he's the anti-Christ (figuratively)
Pretend billionaire, he doesn't have a bank account with all that in it. His collective crap is worth that much.
He's actually in insane levels of debt like the rest of us. Just he gets to do whatever while we work as hard as him and get the bare minimum.
@@SelectHawk *billionaire con man.
Yeah they are right, I really hate the smart phone I’m watching this video on, my smart watch for telling me my heart rate whilst watching it, my VR headset for entertaining me, my car full of tech that makes me safe when driving it, the smart plugs in my house that give me control over all the other tech in it. I’m going to throw it all away now and bow down to their logic.
After an entire childhood watching your stuff I could never imagine people calling you a luddite. Ah, yes, nuclear plants, absolutely a luddite-tier workplace. Nuclear physics is practically like tilling a field by hand!
Of course, nuclear is old, all hail solar roadways and thorium powered cars
i would let them build a nuclear power plant in my basement,under the condition that no soviet/Russian personnel would ever come into a 50km radius of it,and in case of a fail-safe bleeping funny they would do the necessary procedures before reactivating.
ive watched way too many videos of "Plainly Difficult"....
There really is a thing about people WANTING to be lied to. I’ve even seen people say so out loud and admit it.
Just look at the Trump cult
@@TheStarBlack I'm looking at you, lying to yourself that there's a Trump cult.
In the psychological field, it's basically people wanting a safe space you know, people that are confortable with their ideas and refuse to change bc it's hard, like ludites, or like these two
Just tell them what they want to hear.
@@TheStarBlack and the brexit cult for that matter
She makes talking look like really hard work.
It probably is for her. But this is one thing I really would not hold against her. Probably talking in Chinese would be equally hard work for me.
She makes listening really hard work, too.
😂😂😂😂😂
Her creator Geppetto told her, "whenever you lie it will cause you excruciating pain".
She sounds kind of like she might have had some hearing problems as a child.
I laughed so hard at the mention of performing "evolutionary psychology" that I missed 20 seconds of narration and had to rewind.
Hyperloop defenders is the other side of spectrum, theyre the flat earthers of the scientific industry
“You’re just ignorant” “that’s just ignorant” “you’re full of hate and emotion Thunderfoot you can’t think clearly!” These two dorks are no different than the creationist or any other person TF debunked. They say the same things.
Well according to industry news They are right..
arstechnica.com/science/2021/03/european-leaders-say-an-immediate-response-needed-to-the-rise-of-spacex/
Yesterdays article. Probably ESA is not subscribed to Tfoot and do not know what a fraud supposedly Elon is..
@@GintaSuiseiseki notice: the article doesn't even mention 'Starship', point to point rocket transport on earth or launches to Mars. it's about the Falcon 9 rocket taking away market shares from European countries. nothing Thunderfoot has debunked is vindicated in this article.
@@GintaSuiseiseki
Is that all you got, Arsetechnica?
@@tanker7757 Let us take a walk to 4 years back And get on to watch Tfoots video labled "Why did the Falcon 9 Explode?" From around miniute 19 starts his How this recovery thing is not reaaly a thing and Only MAYBEE it has a use And nasa vould have done it netter blah blah blah.
@@GintaSuiseiseki Elon simps are incredible🤣🤣🤣
"I believe the extraordinary should be pursued BUT, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan.
Better to avoid begging the question and just say claims require evidence. SFA evidence from these kooks.
I was attracted here because I am a technophobe who hates science? Nah. I have a job repairing 5G cell tower equipment, where I get to ooh and aah over the phased array patch antennas everyday while solving complex problems with the hardware and software. I love cool technology.
I love cool technology that works or is possible. Not cool technology that isn't. That's called sci-fi and holds no interest with me, except in a debunking context.
If starship is so good, why is NASA going for SLS.
Because NASA has some idea 💡 what it's actually doing.
NASA has some idea what it's actually doing. Unlike a certain blowhard.
Jixuan and Seb: *fail miserably in their given fields*
Jixuan and Seb: "I guess lets try psychology?"
Have you tried her cakes ?!
@@Baerchenization Did you mean pie? I'm kidding. She could be cute tho if she didn't try to pull off that _face;_ I think it's meant to look smart? Why not glasses instead? Someone should tell her to try glasses... I really do think she just hasn't thought about it.
Well, at least this time they picked a pseudoscience to murder.
@@davizitopa7252 You think she's cute?! Funny, Jixuan's brain also gives her a distorted understanding of reality.
@@glitteringsunshine4306 I don't get it. You mean her brain distorts reality around her and makes her seem cute to me? 😲