This is Eastern Orthodox way of expressing piety and confessing our humble faith into our Lord and God Christ Jesus. In my parish predominant is the deep bow where instead of reaching down to the knee level only we reach all the way down to the ground with the right hand... we touch the ground and go back up. It is important to note that Muslims inherited prostrations from us as we were doing it way before Islam even existed.
@@oreon4152 whilst we too believe in his second return as part of the end of days; we hold that he will reject those who worship him besides God. "So wait and we too shall wait."
Islamic doctrine is that all the prophets were Muslims (one who submit his will to one God) and Islam was their religion. Time to time some evil people changed the religion and started worshipping prophets.
@@tabrazbaloch islamic doctrine is the doctrine of satan who loves behaving as if he is god , cheated people like mohaMAD the pedophile prophet who worshipped the demon called allah ..save your soul stay away from the 7th century antichrist religion and come to Christ who is the Divine Son,Word of God
More videos on proper prayer/church etiquette and practice , please. I am a recent convert to Orthodoxy and wish to honor God, his church, its practices, and its clergy formally and correctly.
@@ethandetienne3279 Glory to God! It is such a blessing to find the true church. I hope and pray that your journey in Orthodoxy is as fruitful and joyous as mine. The church and the trur faith will transform you in ways you never thought possible. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad!
*Regarding Fists:* One benefit of using fists instead of open hands is that it allows your wrists to remain aligned. (That's one reason many people who do pushups do them on their fists.) It will be easier on your body in the long run; certainly do it that way if you have chronic wrist pain.
Thanks you Bat'tushko. I'm not old but sick and have to take a walker to church but thanks God I can still do the poklon and touch the ground (that's how I was taught it when I was young). Prostration I can do but I only do it at home because folks start running to help me get up in the temple,.it takes a while to get back up (I really don't do this at home much anymore, but can a couple of times). I miss moving freely and standing in the temple. Thanks for these videos. I don't much look at RUclips but found these videos today and realised that maybe many people, born Orthodox and converts, don't know these things. We know them from youth but often don't understand why we do it. Pray for me and my children, a sinner Kyril.
I will add you to my dyptichs kyrill. Please add +Daniel, my son ( +6/11/2017= to yours. Where do you live? I am in McKinney, TX www.orthodox.net/daniel
@@orthodoxnet Oh, I think I read about him. Did he die in Germany?maybe I'm confusing with someone else but I read a very sad article about a priest's son from Texas who died in Europe. My condolences if it's the same person. I have four kids, three are grown. I would mourn forever if something happened to them. If that's him y'all must cry daily; I'm so sorry. I live in Colorado Springs, CO but am from Mississippi and my family came from different parts of Eastern Europe. Some were Gypsies, some Slavs from Austria/Hungary but ended up down South for various reasons in the 1920's or thereabouts. Thank you so much for praying for me. I've had arthritic diseases since I was a teen but held together until two years ago. It's hard to walk now and due to my sins also have liver and heart disease now. I always worked hard but am on disability now. Life is hard, too hard sometimes. I'm so thankful I'm Orthodox otherwise I'd have left all hope aside long ago. Anyway, thanks so much for your prayers. My children are Anastazie, Zdislava, Josef, and Kryshtoff. We've suffered much over the past few years and I sometimes feel there's no reason to carry on other than I want an Orthodox funeral. Thanks again. You have very good videos.
@@kyriljordanov2086 That is my +Daniel. Read stuff about him on his page. It is not all about grief. Grief must do something positive, or we are not Christians. www.orthodox.net/daniel. I will add you to +Daniel's list and St Panteleimon's list The first means I pray until I die, and if God allows, after, and the second means we pray for you at liturgies and our weekly St moleben to St Panteleimon.
@@kyriljordanov2086 I added all your children to +Daniel's list also. We need to cry because of our sins, but not because of loss of loved ones or sickness. Nothing passes God's notice.
Welcome to Christianity! All who believes that Lord Jesus Christ is the Son Of God, the Messiah and the Savior who saved us from sins and eternal hellfire is my brother and sister. Christians are all brothers and sisters. God bless us all!
@@friendlyrobotasmr You said that in confidence but u don't know that jesus (yeshua) used to pray to the same god as islam did and if u don't know that makkah (masjid al haram) is 5000 years old and the first man on earth adam also used to pray to the same god as islam
it literally makes no sense that u said "Christianity came before islam" and if u have sense jesus main language was aramaic same as arabic jesus literally said in the bible there is gonna be a last prophet sent by god He is a messenger sent by god (the father) If u translate god in aramaic it will literally say "Allah" we muslims follow jesus truths and we follow his path he never said he is god
I am very pleased if it is help you in any way. That is really the whole point of these videos. God bless you! Priest Seraphim Holland seraphim@orthodox.net
St Paisios teaches the closed fist for two reasons 1) as you increase the number of metanias its harsh on the hands 2) another orthodox tradition (the coptic orthodox which is where he gets teachings from saint anthony, saint paul, saint makarious) teach its a closed fist as a symbolisim of rejecting the floor- hell satan pushing down on the doors of hades.
@@orthodoxnet the reason, according to a certain Coptic monk, is because going down with open palms resembles Satan falling down from grace trying to catch himself.
I’m baptized to a Catholic Church wish to be orthodox catholic and Eastern Orthodox have a lot of same rites so I’m allowed to warship in estern orthodox but I live in the USA and there aren’t many orthodox churches I’m 13 and wish to be orthodox ✝️☦️
@@hujanbatu1137 it is biblical. Look at the Old Testament the Bowing down before the cherubim and The Serpent. And it's always been a tradition in the Christian church from the very beginning. That word biblical is a strange one, because the Bible has never claimed to be the only source of God's teaching. The Bible came out of the church, and not the other way around. We also must understand what it means to prostrate before an icon. We are showing reverence for the one who has fought the good fight and finish the course. When we prostrate before an icon of Jesus Christ, we are showing worship to Jesus Christ, however we don't think the icon is Jesus Christ
@@orthodoxnet I don't know about this. Yeah,the ark of the covenant and the snake at the stick/cross. Is this what the apostles teach and allow to have images and icons? And bowing to it? I have no issues with other of the church traditions,but I just struggle with bowing to images ,I'm afraid it will be idolatory. And bowing to mother Mary
@@hujanbatu1137 Remember the incarnation and that we actually belive Jesus came in the flesh, and a icon of Him in memory of Him being incarnate as man.
@@LunarZelda_galaxySince when did what Christ say in scripture be all we must go by? By your logic, the apostles shouldn’t have written the other books of the New Testament because they said stuff that Jesus didn’t. 2 Thess. 2:15
@@friendlyrobotasmr Islam was the first religion brother.christianity and judaism was diverted from it.Thats why god again send a last messenger to earth.Muhammad (pbuh). prophet Muhammad's fathers name was Abdullah(servant of allah).some guys think islam came 1400 years ago.no❌️ Last messenger came 1400 years ago.
Don't call yourself filthy. A sinner maybe, but God doesn't see you as filthy. I'm Orthodox but probably a heretic myself since I don't understand everything and have a past mixed with superstition beliefs, etc as many of our people do. I just try to learn the right belief. But don't call yourself filthy; God doesn't want that.
Using fists reduces strain on the wrists when you lay your palm flat on the ground. I had wrist pain once when flexing it to 90 degrees but using fists worked without any pain.
I different video from an elder (which I can't find, sorry) said this can be due to lucifer falling from heaven open-palmed, so with closed fist we can come to the ground.
I was protestant all my life, and i have such a strong connection to orthodoxy, and i want to convert. What should i do? I have no churches near, and i dont know anyone who is orthodox, so if someone could please help guide me, id really appreciate it
Just say i feeling God flowing threw me you tell people only need to have faith God can touch my hands above your head put your hands above people heads bam healed
In Romania when we repent on our sins we say: Lord Jesus, Son of God have mercy on me a sinner- then sign of the Holy Cross then metanoia,bow down to the ground
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Matthew 23: 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your [c]Teacher, [d]the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be [e]humbled, and he who humbles himself will be [f]exalted.
@bananaman5554 1 Corinthians 4:15 For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel. In whatever sense Paul became a spiritual father, that is what we are referring to when we refer to a priest as father. A spiritual father, just like Paul.
There is no orthodox church in my country Vietnam. Although I am an evangelical christian, I make prostrations at home regularly. I feel sad because all evangelcal churches have pews which prevent believers from make prostrations 💔
Hello friend! I see you haven't gotten a response yet, so I thought I'd offer one. It is customary to mount your icons to an eastern wall of the house (so that looking at them, you are facing east). And prostrations are made toward icons, so that would mean we should prostrate toward the east. That being said, one may have reasons for putting icons on other walls as well, in which case a prostration toward them would not be towards the east and that's okay (unless your spiritual director has given you other instructions). There are several ways (I'm sure) to interpret prostration toward the east. Here is one: The sun itself is an icon of Christ (and by extension, the dawn horizon is an icon of the Theotokos). Unlike in Islam, we need not pray toward a holy city -- as Christians we can conceive of all creation as our "holy city". The interior dome in an Orthodox church building represents the dome of the sky as we see it when we look up, so you might also interpret east as the direction of the cosmic altar (as if being under the sky is like being inside a church building). God bless you and keep you! 🤗
@@joachim847 Thank you so much for your effort, time and information. God bless you too. I'm still underage, so i'm gaining a lot of information to try and improve my quality of life. Once again, thanks a lot! God bless
@@Marco-bf4uu Reading through prayers, you will find things like "O come, let us worship and fall down before our King and God." That's a prostration cue if I've ever seen one! God honors our sincere efforts, so by all means do all the prostrations you want. There are things to know, like "don't do prostrations on Sundays" but unless you have a pastor who can guide you through details like that, my advice would be to follow the instructions of whatever prayer book you like. Managing to actually do stuff is vastly more important than getting everything right. God bless you! Christ is Risen! 🤗
@@joachim847 We pray to Allah facing His House in Makkah, just like the Israelite Holy Prophets (A) prayed facing His Temple in Jerusalem. I Kings 8:29-30 “That Your eyes may be open toward this temple night and day, toward the place of which You said, ‘My name shall be there,’ that You may hear the prayer which Your servant makes toward this place.’ “And may You hear the supplication of Your servant and of Your people Israel , when they pray toward this place. Hear in heaven Your dwelling place; and when You hear, forgive. I Kings 8:35 “When the heavens are shut up and there is no rain because they have sinned against You, when they pray toward this place and confess Your name, and turn from their sin because You afflict them, I Kings 8:38 “Whatever prayer, whatever supplication is made by anyone, or by all Your people Israel, when each one knows the plague of his own heart, and spreads out his hands toward this temple: I Kings 8:42 “For they will hear of Your great name and Your strong hand and Your outstretched arm, when he comes and prays toward this temple.’ I Kings 8:44 “When Your people go out to battle against their enemy, wherever You send them, and when they pray to the LORD toward the city which You have chosen and the temple which I have built for Your name, I Kings 8:48 “And when they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their enemies who led them away captive, and pray to You toward their land which You gave to their fathers, the city which You have chosen and the temple which I have built for Your name.’ 2 Chronicles 6:20-21 “That Your eyes may be open toward this temple day and night, toward the place where You said You would put Your name, that You may hear the prayer which Your servant prays toward this place.’ “And may You hear the supplications of Your servant and of Your people Israel , when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven Your dwelling place, and when You hear, forgive.’ 2 Chronicles 6:26 “When the heavens are shut up and there is no rain because they have sinned against You, when they pray toward this place and confess Your name, and turn from their sin because You afflict them.’ 2 Chronicles 6:29 “Whatever prayer, whatever supplication is made by anyone, or by all Your people Israel , when each one knows his own burden and his own grief, and spreads out his hands to this temple.’ 2 Chronicles 6:34 “When Your people go out to battle against their enemies, wherever You send them, and when they pray to You toward this city which You have chosen and the temple which I have built for Your name.’ 2 Chronicles 6:38 “And when they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their captivity, where they have been carried captive, and pray toward their land which You gave to their fathers, the city which You have chosen, and toward the temple which I have built for Your name: Psalms 5:7 “But as for me, I will come into Your house in the multitude of Your mercy; in fear of You I will worship toward Your holy temple.’ Psalms 28:1-2 “Hear the voice of my supplications when I cry to You, when I lift up my hands toward Your holy sanctuary.’ Psalms 138:2 “I will worship toward Your holy temple, and praise Your name for Your loving kindness and Your truth; for You have magnified Your word above all Your name.’ Daniel 6:10 “Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went home. And in his upper room, with his windows open toward Jerusalem , he knelt down on his knees three times that day, and prayed and gave thanks before his God, as was his custom since early days.’ Jonah 2:4 “Then I said, ‘I have been cast out of Your sight; yet I will look again toward Your holy temple.’
The image acts as a visual focus; we focus on the subject of the image, which is Christ. In a way its like looking at a picture of someone during a phone call, or a video chat. You're not talking to ink on paper or pixels on a screen. You're talking to the person depicted.
Now on 2020 because there are no orthodox churches I thought of going to a normal Church to do the prostrations of the Jesus prayer. Is it wrong to do it public in front of people? Or must I do it in my Home. In the bible it says that we should always pray in private instead of public unless others are praying too because it could lead to the sin of pride. What should I do?
@@hayden8491 we do not do prostrations in public. they are private for us. doing them in public is simply vanity. what do you mean a normal church? The only normal church is the orthodox church. All the others are derivatives.
We do prostrations together in church. This is not showy, but is good order. I do not recommend doing them in public, for other peope outside of church to see.
Wow, This is almost identical to the way Muslims pray everyday, also found out some Orthodox Jews pray similarly, all the prophets we believe in were monotheistic, true monotheistic communities all have a modest and humble culture , we share a lot in more in common than the media or tribalism would make u believe, ALL PRAISE TO THE MOST HIGH
There us a general rule given and we are free for the specifics. Spiritual acts are not like physics or chemistry formula. Prostration is all about humility and thinking we are created out of from earth or dust. Our will should be subject to God's will. God first sees what is in our heart.
They did it with their fists closed because when lucifer fell from heaven his hands were wide open. Thats what I heard from a priest. I cant say if its 100% true but who knows
I am presbyterian not by choice but before doing any prostrations must one convert to orthodoxy before doing any of these prayers and prostrations. Reason I want to do these prayers like you have shown is because my prayer life is diminished which translates my reiligious life entirely. I believe god but want to learn to tame myself. I do have a coptic church near my home but I am scared to go in and ask to be converted because nor am I arabic descent or any knowledge of orthodoxy. But my commitment is there. If you could help, Thank you
i think they dont do it with your hands flat because Satan fell from heaven. There is a video of a monk from St.Macarius Monastery explaining it this way.
People generally have a prayer rule which they follow. I commemorate the people in my Parish with the Jesus prayer, one for each individual or family group. Some will say 12 Jesus prayers in the morning with prostrations or fifty or a hundred., if a person is capable they should be doing prostrations . If not they should be doing low bows, if not then a lesser bow. In my Parish many of us have agreed to do 12 prostrations with the Jesus prayer for the world every day
@@orthodoxnet thanks for respond, sorry if my question is hard to understand, but in Russian, word "Poklon" simply means "bow", it doesn't have any specific religious meaning. Does it mean something specific in English, and how did you found out that word?
@@kelthu-freaking-zad9285 Poklon has religious meaning among Orthodox Christians. I am one, and I have learned many Russian words that have religious meaning in the church.
@@orthodoxnet I am orthodox from Russia and it is hard to understand why are you using this word as specifically religious. You know, it is interesting to see common word in my tongue used this way. Thanks for answers!
My short answer: The church does not see a need to justify every practice by quoting some specific text from the bible. The Bible is part of the tradition of the church, and not the cause of it. The Holy Spirit guides the church - in the writing of the sacred texts, the establishing of the canon of sacred texts, the ecumenical councils, our ascetical theology, and practices - all of it. One more thing. The individualistic interpretation of the bible is responsible for innumerable heresies and schisms, and also, in the West especially, for the rejection of the church, even by those who believe themselves to be Christians, because they "believe in the bible". One does not believe in the bible is they reject (or are not aware of) the church, which wrote it, and continues to this day, invisible AND visible, with discernable borders, to this day. Priest Seraphim Holland
This is Eastern Orthodox way of expressing piety and confessing our humble faith into our Lord and God Christ Jesus. In my parish predominant is the deep bow where instead of reaching down to the knee level only we reach all the way down to the ground with the right hand... we touch the ground and go back up. It is important to note that Muslims inherited prostrations from us as we were doing it way before Islam even existed.
ruclips.net/channel/UCJovU3AQO-LlkY1e5u5Ri8w, thank you for your reply
We inherited it from the God who inspired his Prophets to prostate to Him, the One Almighty God
@@oreon4152 whilst we too believe in his second return as part of the end of days; we hold that he will reject those who worship him besides God. "So wait and we too shall wait."
Islamic doctrine is that all the prophets were Muslims (one who submit his will to one God) and Islam was their religion. Time to time some evil people changed the religion and started worshipping prophets.
@@tabrazbaloch islamic doctrine is the doctrine of satan who loves behaving as if he is god , cheated people like mohaMAD the pedophile prophet who worshipped the demon called allah ..save your soul stay away from the 7th century antichrist religion and come to Christ who is the Divine Son,Word of God
More videos on proper prayer/church etiquette and practice , please. I am a recent convert to Orthodoxy and wish to honor God, his church, its practices, and its clergy formally and correctly.
Brother are you still Orthodox?
@@ethandetienne3279 I am... Glory to Jesus Christ.
@@johnotis6764 Yes Amen!!! soon I will be an Antiochian Orthodox Christian
@@ethandetienne3279 Glory to God! It is such a blessing to find the true church. I hope and pray that your journey in Orthodoxy is as fruitful and joyous as mine. The church and the trur faith will transform you in ways you never thought possible. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad!
@@johnotis6764 🙏
*Regarding Fists:* One benefit of using fists instead of open hands is that it allows your wrists to remain aligned. (That's one reason many people who do pushups do them on their fists.) It will be easier on your body in the long run; certainly do it that way if you have chronic wrist pain.
Thank you Father I'll practise these prostration as a Catholic ❤
No.
@@LamarEdie "No"
@@ayushbagg your not orthodox don’t follow us follow the Catholic church
@LamarEdie Our Church Fathers practice this so what's wrong in doing prostration?
@@samuelabnersantoso3234 yeah priest do
Thank you father, as a catechuman this was very useful.
Thanks you Bat'tushko. I'm not old but sick and have to take a walker to church but thanks God I can still do the poklon and touch the ground (that's how I was taught it when I was young). Prostration I can do but I only do it at home because folks start running to help me get up in the temple,.it takes a while to get back up (I really don't do this at home much anymore, but can a couple of times). I miss moving freely and standing in the temple. Thanks for these videos. I don't much look at RUclips but found these videos today and realised that maybe many people, born Orthodox and converts, don't know these things. We know them from youth but often don't understand why we do it. Pray for me and my children, a sinner Kyril.
I will add you to my dyptichs kyrill. Please add +Daniel, my son ( +6/11/2017= to yours. Where do you live? I am in McKinney, TX www.orthodox.net/daniel
@@orthodoxnet Oh, I think I read about him. Did he die in Germany?maybe I'm confusing with someone else but I read a very sad article about a priest's son from Texas who died in Europe. My condolences if it's the same person. I have four kids, three are grown. I would mourn forever if something happened to them. If that's him y'all must cry daily; I'm so sorry. I live in Colorado Springs, CO but am from Mississippi and my family came from different parts of Eastern Europe. Some were Gypsies, some Slavs from Austria/Hungary but ended up down South for various reasons in the 1920's or thereabouts. Thank you so much for praying for me. I've had arthritic diseases since I was a teen but held together until two years ago. It's hard to walk now and due to my sins also have liver and heart disease now. I always worked hard but am on disability now. Life is hard, too hard sometimes. I'm so thankful I'm Orthodox otherwise I'd have left all hope aside long ago. Anyway, thanks so much for your prayers. My children are Anastazie, Zdislava, Josef, and Kryshtoff. We've suffered much over the past few years and I sometimes feel there's no reason to carry on other than I want an Orthodox funeral. Thanks again. You have very good videos.
Yes, I will pray for Servant of God Daniel. I was taught to pray for the dead long ago and I'll remember him when I light the candles on Sundays.
@@kyriljordanov2086 That is my +Daniel. Read stuff about him on his page. It is not all about grief. Grief must do something positive, or we are not Christians. www.orthodox.net/daniel. I will add you to +Daniel's list and St Panteleimon's list The first means I pray until I die, and if God allows, after, and the second means we pray for you at liturgies and our weekly St moleben to St Panteleimon.
@@kyriljordanov2086 I added all your children to +Daniel's list also. We need to cry because of our sins, but not because of loss of loved ones or sickness. Nothing passes God's notice.
Thank you Father, just attended our first divine liturgy. My son and I are grateful for the proper guidance. God Bless
God bless you!
Ex Muslim now an Eastern Orthodox Christian.
God bless(ed) you!
God bless you!
Welcome to Christianity! All who believes that Lord Jesus Christ is the Son Of God, the Messiah and the Savior who saved us from sins and eternal hellfire is my brother and sister. Christians are all brothers and sisters. God bless us all!
Welcome home! Pray for your brethren!
@@dane_vlogs amen!
The ruku, bowing position, and the prostration are similar to how we pray too. Very informative!
Yes I never knew that
Same in Buddhism and Judaism
Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us and Your world!
Amen.
As an Muslim this is the same prayer that the Yeshua did to God the creator of everything
Christianity came before islam buddy
@@friendlyrobotasmr You said that in confidence but u don't know that jesus (yeshua) used to pray to the same god as islam did and if u don't know that makkah (masjid al haram) is 5000 years old and the first man on earth adam also used to pray to the same god as islam
@@friendlyrobotasmr jesus doesn't know the hour
@@friendlyrobotasmr in the bible it literally says "I was sent by god to spread these messages to the world"
it literally makes no sense that u said "Christianity came before islam" and if u have sense jesus main language was aramaic same as arabic jesus literally said in the bible there is gonna be a last prophet sent by god He is a messenger sent by god (the father) If u translate god in aramaic it will literally say "Allah" we muslims follow jesus truths and we follow his path he never said he is god
Glory to God in all things
Ameen
As a Muslim I’m so grateful that I can learn other religions
As salaamu Alaikum Brother. I respect you
@@fn4f.fan1 thank u I respect u to ❤️🥰
Respect from catholic 📿
This video has helped me very much in my personal prayer life. Thank You Fr. Seraphim.
I am very pleased if it is help you in any way. That is really the whole point of these videos. God bless you! Priest Seraphim Holland seraphim@orthodox.net
St Paisios teaches the closed fist for two reasons 1) as you increase the number of metanias its harsh on the hands 2) another orthodox tradition (the coptic orthodox which is where he gets teachings from saint anthony, saint paul, saint makarious) teach its a closed fist as a symbolisim of rejecting the floor- hell satan pushing down on the doors of hades.
✝️ Domine Iesu Christe, Fili Dei, miserere mei peccatoris ✝️
For those who do not know (like me) that is the Jesus prayer, in Latin. Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
@@orthodoxnet pardon me, father. I actually got the spelling wrong. I have since corrected it.
Thank you, Father.
Using fists is actually better! St Paisios is smart and he knows what's best!!!
It is better, but it is also harder. Of course being hard is not a bad thing.
orthodoxnet Hi brother, why do you say it is harder with fists?
orthodoxnet ???
@@orthodoxnet the reason, according to a certain Coptic monk, is because going down with open palms resembles Satan falling down from grace trying to catch himself.
@Jesus Acuna Coptics are heretical so I'd take it with a grain of salt
Thank you father. I am practicing that even in regular prayers in my home.
Thank you Father!
I’m baptized to a Catholic Church wish to be orthodox catholic and Eastern Orthodox have a lot of same rites so I’m allowed to warship in estern orthodox but I live in the USA and there aren’t many orthodox churches I’m 13 and wish to be orthodox ✝️☦️
thank you, exactly what I was looking for!
I am very happy that you benefited.
@@orthodoxnet may I ask is it biblical to bow down to Jesus Christ pictures? Isn't it idolatory?
@@hujanbatu1137 it is biblical. Look at the Old Testament the Bowing down before the cherubim and The Serpent. And it's always been a tradition in the Christian church from the very beginning. That word biblical is a strange one, because the Bible has never claimed to be the only source of God's teaching. The Bible came out of the church, and not the other way around. We also must understand what it means to prostrate before an icon. We are showing reverence for the one who has fought the good fight and finish the course. When we prostrate before an icon of Jesus Christ, we are showing worship to Jesus Christ, however we don't think the icon is Jesus Christ
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I don't know about this. Yeah,the ark of the covenant and the snake at the stick/cross.
Is this what the apostles teach and allow to have images and icons? And bowing to it?
I have no issues with other of the church traditions,but I just struggle with bowing to images ,I'm afraid it will be idolatory. And bowing to mother Mary
@@hujanbatu1137 Remember the incarnation and that we actually belive Jesus came in the flesh, and a icon of Him in memory of Him being incarnate as man.
May God Bless You for sharing these clear and simple examples.
Thank you! I am new to Orthodoxy. Learning everyday. Please pray for my wife, Cathy. She is against Orthodoxy. God bless you!
jesus never taught the cross sign😂u guys making new things
@@LunarZelda_galaxySince when did what Christ say in scripture be all we must go by? By your logic, the apostles shouldn’t have written the other books of the New Testament because they said stuff that Jesus didn’t. 2 Thess. 2:15
@@LunarZelda_galaxyChristianity came before islam buddy
@@friendlyrobotasmr Islam was the first religion brother.christianity and judaism was diverted from it.Thats why god again send a last messenger to earth.Muhammad (pbuh). prophet Muhammad's fathers name was Abdullah(servant of allah).some guys think islam came 1400 years ago.no❌️ Last messenger came 1400 years ago.
Thank you ❤
I may be a filthy heretic, but it's very useful things, thank you.
That is not the right way to talk about yourself. I am glad you find this useful. Priest Seraphim Holland
Don't call yourself filthy. A sinner maybe, but God doesn't see you as filthy. I'm Orthodox but probably a heretic myself since I don't understand everything and have a past mixed with superstition beliefs, etc as many of our people do. I just try to learn the right belief. But don't call yourself filthy; God doesn't want that.
father bless! thank you very much
Using fists reduces strain on the wrists when you lay your palm flat on the ground. I had wrist pain once when flexing it to 90 degrees but using fists worked without any pain.
That makes sense. I have bad arthritis and don't prostrate much but maybe that would help.
I different video from an elder (which I can't find, sorry) said this can be due to lucifer falling from heaven open-palmed, so with closed fist we can come to the ground.
Thank you for this video, father. I have carpal tunnel syndrome. Using a fist helps.
Thank you for the instructions 🙏🏻
/with kind regards from Sweden
Thank you, Father.
Useful information for Great Lent. Thanks Father!
st. Paisios in the background! :D
Thankk you
GOd gless you father and Thank you!!!!
Thank you, may God bless you
Getting up and down 99 times huh? Sounds like prayer AND a wod challenge. MULTI TASKIIIINNNGGG... Also I really like the guy in this video
Amen, thanks you and God Bless you !
Thank you, may god bless you☦️♥️
GOD BLESS YOU!
Thank you for explaining this.
Thank you for this video and God Bless
Thank you I am converting to orthodoxy and was wondering how to do it
God bless you brother
I was protestant all my life, and i have such a strong connection to orthodoxy, and i want to convert. What should i do? I have no churches near, and i dont know anyone who is orthodox, so if someone could please help guide me, id really appreciate it
Just say i feeling God flowing threw me you tell people only need to have faith God can touch my hands above your head put your hands above people heads bam healed
Thank you for this video father
In Romania when we repent on our sins we say: Lord Jesus, Son of God have mercy on me a sinner- then sign of the Holy Cross then metanoia,bow down to the ground
Kneeling prostrations are also valid and generally made eve and mornings of Wednesdays & Fridays.
Thank you for the video!
Evlogite pater
Saint Paisios recomend it becous ,if you do metanies on your palms it is danger for tetives damage
Excuse me for my terible english
dat otay. Know wories my mann
God bless you
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Thank you father. How many times should the Jesus prayer be repeated with prostration?
once per each prostration, with 1 prayer per prostration
Happy Christmas this year 2024. From USA.
Christ is born! Glorify him!
thank you
Thank you!
Thank you for sharing.
Father, you need to have wood and string to make a long bow...
Good video by the way, really informative
😁🏹 I thought the same, when I first read the title wrong. FOCUS, Man. Focus!
Matthew 23: 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your [c]Teacher, [d]the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be [e]humbled, and he who humbles himself will be [f]exalted.
@bananaman5554 1 Corinthians 4:15 For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
In whatever sense Paul became a spiritual father, that is what we are referring to when we refer to a priest as father. A spiritual father, just like Paul.
God bless you ❤
Can a Catholic pray like this too ??
Of Course
Yes, we used to do this in ancient times
Thank you
Hello Father, Is there a book guiding in the church prostration and gestures. God bless you
Thank you
There is no orthodox church in my country Vietnam. Although I am an evangelical christian, I make prostrations at home regularly. I feel sad because all evangelcal churches have pews which prevent believers from make prostrations 💔
Should i do prostrations towards the east? Should I prostrate every prayer that i do? (evening, morning)
I'd like a response.
God bless
Hello friend! I see you haven't gotten a response yet, so I thought I'd offer one. It is customary to mount your icons to an eastern wall of the house (so that looking at them, you are facing east). And prostrations are made toward icons, so that would mean we should prostrate toward the east. That being said, one may have reasons for putting icons on other walls as well, in which case a prostration toward them would not be towards the east and that's okay (unless your spiritual director has given you other instructions).
There are several ways (I'm sure) to interpret prostration toward the east. Here is one: The sun itself is an icon of Christ (and by extension, the dawn horizon is an icon of the Theotokos). Unlike in Islam, we need not pray toward a holy city -- as Christians we can conceive of all creation as our "holy city". The interior dome in an Orthodox church building represents the dome of the sky as we see it when we look up, so you might also interpret east as the direction of the cosmic altar (as if being under the sky is like being inside a church building). God bless you and keep you! 🤗
@@joachim847 Thank you so much for your effort, time and information. God bless you too. I'm still underage, so i'm gaining a lot of information to try and improve my quality of life. Once again, thanks a lot! God bless
@@joachim847 And how often should we do prostrations meaning to what prayer and when?
@@Marco-bf4uu Reading through prayers, you will find things like "O come, let us worship and fall down before our King and God." That's a prostration cue if I've ever seen one! God honors our sincere efforts, so by all means do all the prostrations you want. There are things to know, like "don't do prostrations on Sundays" but unless you have a pastor who can guide you through details like that, my advice would be to follow the instructions of whatever prayer book you like. Managing to actually do stuff is vastly more important than getting everything right. God bless you! Christ is Risen! 🤗
@@joachim847 We pray to Allah facing His House in Makkah, just like the Israelite Holy Prophets (A) prayed facing His Temple in Jerusalem.
I Kings 8:29-30 “That Your eyes may be open toward this temple night and day, toward the place of which You said, ‘My name shall be there,’ that You may hear the prayer which Your servant makes toward this place.’ “And may You hear the supplication of Your servant and of Your people Israel , when they pray toward this place. Hear in heaven Your dwelling place; and when You hear, forgive.
I Kings 8:35 “When the heavens are shut up and there is no rain because they have sinned against You, when they pray toward this place and confess Your name, and turn from their sin because You afflict them,
I Kings 8:38 “Whatever prayer, whatever supplication is made by anyone, or by all Your people Israel, when each one knows the plague of his own heart, and spreads out his hands toward this temple:
I Kings 8:42 “For they will hear of Your great name and Your strong hand and Your outstretched arm, when he comes and prays toward this temple.’
I Kings 8:44 “When Your people go out to battle against their enemy, wherever You send them, and when they pray to the LORD toward the city which You have chosen and the temple which I have built for Your name,
I Kings 8:48 “And when they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their enemies who led them away captive, and pray to You toward their land which You gave to their fathers, the city which You have chosen and the temple which I have built for Your name.’
2 Chronicles 6:20-21 “That Your eyes may be open toward this temple day and night, toward the place where You said You would put Your name, that You may hear the prayer which Your servant prays toward this place.’
“And may You hear the supplications of Your servant and of Your people Israel , when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven Your dwelling place, and when You hear, forgive.’
2 Chronicles 6:26 “When the heavens are shut up and there is no rain because they have sinned against You, when they pray toward this place and confess Your name, and turn from their sin because You afflict them.’
2 Chronicles 6:29 “Whatever prayer, whatever supplication is made by anyone, or by all Your people Israel , when each one knows his own burden and his own grief, and spreads out his hands to this temple.’
2 Chronicles 6:34 “When Your people go out to battle against their enemies, wherever You send them, and when they pray to You toward this city which You have chosen and the temple which I have built for Your name.’
2 Chronicles 6:38 “And when they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their captivity, where they have been carried captive, and pray toward their land which You gave to their fathers, the city which You have chosen, and toward the temple which I have built for Your name:
Psalms 5:7 “But as for me, I will come into Your house in the multitude of Your mercy; in fear of You I will worship toward Your holy temple.’
Psalms 28:1-2 “Hear the voice of my supplications when I cry to You, when I lift up my hands toward Your holy sanctuary.’
Psalms 138:2 “I will worship toward Your holy temple, and praise Your name for Your loving kindness and Your truth; for You have magnified Your word above all Your name.’
Daniel 6:10 “Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went home. And in his upper room, with his windows open toward Jerusalem , he knelt down on his knees three times that day, and prayed and gave thanks before his God, as was his custom since early days.’
Jonah 2:4 “Then I said, ‘I have been cast out of Your sight; yet I will look again toward Your holy temple.’
This is beautiful, is there a comprehensive guide to all prostrations and metanias? Or is there just not that many to make a guide?
This morning I was wondering who can show me how is done properly. My Geronda is 82 and he is so fast. Amen.
Thank you for sharing.
I need to know how many times do you need to do?
It all depends on what your spiritual father sees best for you.
Luke said what ever the Jesus believe i only got faith in God almighty
Pray for me to become orthodox
God bless you too my brother.
HOW did you mount that large icon in the corner(the middle one)?
Why do Orthodox Christians bow before images of Jesus?
Because the imagine is well an picture of Jesus, but we don't bow to the picture put the person (Jesus) on it
The image acts as a visual focus; we focus on the subject of the image, which is Christ. In a way its like looking at a picture of someone during a phone call, or a video chat. You're not talking to ink on paper or pixels on a screen. You're talking to the person depicted.
How is that different to paganism?
I chose orthodox to pray the way jesus does❤️🙏
I have a question, for the rug/mat underneath can you use whatever or is there a specific Orthodox Prayer Mat that can be used.
Bare floor if fine... no need for anything.
Now on 2020 because there are no orthodox churches I thought of going to a normal Church to do the prostrations of the Jesus prayer. Is it wrong to do it public in front of people? Or must I do it in my Home. In the bible it says that we should always pray in private instead of public unless others are praying too because it could lead to the sin of pride. What should I do?
@@hayden8491 we do not do prostrations in public. they are private for us. doing them in public is simply vanity. what do you mean a normal church? The only normal church is the orthodox church. All the others are derivatives.
We do prostrations together in church. This is not showy, but is good order. I do not recommend doing them in public, for other peope outside of church to see.
Wow, This is almost identical to the way Muslims pray everyday, also found out some Orthodox Jews pray similarly, all the prophets we believe in were monotheistic, true monotheistic communities all have a modest and humble culture , we share a lot in more in common than the media or tribalism would make u believe, ALL PRAISE TO THE MOST HIGH
no
Do we sign ourselves and say Jesus Christ have mercy on me every time we bow?
Or do we sign ourselves, bow once then say 50 Jesus have mercy on me?
Should you go up and down as you are doing the jesus prayer or can you stay down after the first time?
It is best to go up and down. If a person has physical infirmites, wht do what they can.
What if you want to go to Orthodox church but are physically unable to do that?
So do I say the Lord’s Prayer after I prostate? Do I say the Lord’s Prayer while in prostration? How many repetitions?
There us a general rule given and we are free for the specifics. Spiritual acts are not like physics or chemistry formula. Prostration is all about humility and thinking we are created out of from earth or dust. Our will should be subject to God's will. God first sees what is in our heart.
A great video to have
How to pray all along the praying time just the way you've shown to us! Is there anymore action ?
Please help me, Padre...
They did it with their fists closed because when lucifer fell from heaven his hands were wide open. Thats what I heard from a priest. I cant say if its 100% true but who knows
Sounds plausible
That is what my parents told me too, I am Ethiopian Orthodox Christian.
Abyssinia፡ ለዘላለም። Then its probably true
I think it is done with fists not the hand palms just not to harm our wrists because most of the body weight will go on the arms in this case
The desert fathers did it with their hands closed, and the Copts do it to this day.
Yup
because of the burning sand though...
@@KomenCents Noooo lol.. i dont know ehy we do it ill ask my priest but its not because of the sand they prayed in caves not sand
@@Marco-bf4uu he did say desert fathers
@@KomenCents And the desert fathers lived in caves
I use a towel also . Old knees
Mexican orthodox ☦️
Viva Cristo rey hermano
What are the times to pray to God. Because i know he have set times can you teach us how to pray the correct way thank you
1 Thessalonians 5,17 "pray without ceasing,"
I am presbyterian not by choice but before doing any prostrations must one convert to orthodoxy before doing any of these prayers and prostrations. Reason I want to do these prayers like you have shown is because my prayer life is diminished which translates my reiligious life entirely. I believe god but want to learn to tame myself. I do have a coptic church near my home but I am scared to go in and ask to be converted because nor am I arabic descent or any knowledge of orthodoxy. But my commitment is there.
If you could help,
Thank you
Dear Samuel: You may say the prayers! I encourage you to. P[ease write me at seraphim@orthodox.net Priest Seraphim Holland
@@orthodoxnet thank you, you have answered my question. I will update you on my progress following the email you have provided.
Amine
i think they dont do it with your hands flat because Satan fell from heaven. There is a video of a monk from St.Macarius Monastery explaining it this way.
When do you do this? How often? How much bow?
People generally have a prayer rule which they follow. I commemorate the people in my Parish with the Jesus prayer, one for each individual or family group. Some will say 12 Jesus prayers in the morning with prostrations or fifty or a hundred., if a person is capable they should be doing prostrations . If not they should be doing low bows, if not then a lesser bow. In my Parish many of us have agreed to do 12 prostrations with the Jesus prayer for the world every day
where to buy pictures of our lord jesus christ? (sorry for bad English i ame from Norway )
Faith ok God give thee more faith of my faith Christ
God father healed you well because i said Christ child
you do it with your fist so you can hold the prayer rope and keep count
So, "Poklon" is from Russian "Поклон", which translates "bow", right? If so, why are you using this word?
I am using the word because I am demonstrating a low bow or poklon.
@@orthodoxnet thanks for respond, sorry if my question is hard to understand, but in Russian, word "Poklon" simply means "bow", it doesn't have any specific religious meaning. Does it mean something specific in English, and how did you found out that word?
@@kelthu-freaking-zad9285 Poklon has religious meaning among Orthodox Christians. I am one, and I have learned many Russian words that have religious meaning in the church.
@@orthodoxnet I am orthodox from Russia and it is hard to understand why are you using this word as specifically religious. You know, it is interesting to see common word in my tongue used this way. Thanks for answers!
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Im in Neseka Oregon
Where does this is in the bible? I feel that this is the correct way to pray but I don’t understand where it is in the bible
My short answer:
The church does not see a need to justify every practice by quoting some specific text from the bible. The Bible is part of the tradition of the church, and not the cause of it. The Holy Spirit guides the church - in the writing of the sacred texts, the establishing of the canon of sacred texts, the ecumenical councils, our ascetical theology, and practices - all of it.
One more thing. The individualistic interpretation of the bible is responsible for innumerable heresies and schisms, and also, in the West especially, for the rejection of the church, even by those who believe themselves to be Christians, because they "believe in the bible". One does not believe in the bible is they reject (or are not aware of) the church, which wrote it, and continues to this day, invisible AND visible, with discernable borders, to this day.
Priest Seraphim Holland
Matthew 26:39
Father, why do you not include "Son of God" in your Jesus prayer?
That is a longer formulation. None are better or worse, but the standard Mount Athos prayer is as I said it. I get jumbled up with too many words.
Can Roman Catholic pray like that 🥺🤔
Yes.
Thank you father 🙏 God bless you and holy Virgin Mary protect you 🙏🙏🙏