Crazy-88s This. Outside of the car world, Ferrari have cheapened their brand by splashing on loads of mainstream products, including £10 polo shirts in TK Max, as you suggest.
I'm a Paneristi but that Ferrari Panerai is a dud, not even Panerai collectors want to buy that. Watches aren't investments btw, but if you want a Panerai that hold its value quite well get a bronzo.
@@lettuce1305 maybe, and its a question of personal taste... infind bronzo's horrible no matter how well they hold their value... but I am with you on not finding these ferrar watches attractive or a good investment.
Problem with Ferrari branded products is their price range. Consumer electronics, shoes, even watches shouldn't exceed monthly allowance of a 10 year old, their target audience.
“Investors” are rotting the market for real watches lovers.... Because of them the prices get bloated sending those timepieces in the non affordable world... and I really don’t appreciate that... Anyhow, now that I’ve become poor, it doesn’t matter anymore...
I think any watch that has the name Ferrari on it is cursed to fail as history shows. However H. Moser is an incredible value at the moment and one would be foolish to think it will last forever.
Unfortunately now that we’re living in the CV-19 era, there will be a lot more watches available to invest in because the demand will inevitably go down as money gets tight.
Depends on how long this pandemic lasts, if it's gone within the next 2-3 months I reckon the economic recovery would be pretty quick, but if this goes on for another 6 months or more then we could potentially be in a depression with tens of millions or even hundreds of millions of jobs lost
@@lettuce1305 I'm thinking that "hundreds of millions of jobs lost" isn't likely in a country of only 320M people. And the lockdowns aren't going to be allowed to go on for another 6 months. Not for an illness that apparently only very rarely kills anyone who doesn't already have one foot in the grave.
@@nusatoys1932 True. But I WAS spot on in the reasoning, so I'll look at it as a glass half full. I can't say I've heard of too many people comparing different vintages of vinegar, though. And I'm not sure what would make one "fine." I've been thinking recently that when making predictions like this, I always seem to err on the side of my belief that the public isn't nearly as stupid as it proves itself to be time and time again. :)
Is it really hard to tell why these Ferrari watches never really took? I can help you with that. Because no one wants a Ferrari watch, even those who own Ferraris, sorry mate, I thought that was obvious.
Why overrated? It’s a unique-looking dress watch that has a great movement, and doesn’t cost as much as a similar Patek Phillipe. I won’t say the finishing is as good as a Patek, but I’d argue that Patek and its sky-high price tags is far more overrated than h moser.
Don’t worry, I can’t afford them either. I have a cadisen dress watch! $38 shipped from China (at the time of purchase), seiko nh36, sapphire crystal. But I think that people who cannot afford something can still contribute to a discussion about it and whether it’s good or not. I don’t mind an Invicta pro diver, I like it for what it is. What I don’t like is when companies overprice watches based on brand name. Though I wouldn’t mind another watch...
I think Tiger from Tudor is a good name and this watch will be a very good investment in the future, and also the H moser & cie for the clean and net design. but Ferrari is for a ferrari owner who ware a rolex or Richard mille...
no one will be buying "investment" watch for quite some time :D Investment.... :D watch companies have come up with this idea to sell these watches at premium price, it is marketing :D look for huuuge discounts now :)
The true investment pieces will be fine as they’re in the hands of those who will be rich whatever happens to the economy. The faux investment pieces, i.e mass produced steel sports models, are about to tank though.
If you bought steel sports Rolex or Patek at RRP you'll be fine but if you bought it at inflated prices in the grey market, you can really lose money if the situation gets worse.
The Tudor would have been really nice if not for that TIGER writing. Looks funny that way (a deal breaker for me, as if I have the money anyway haha). Otherwise, a really nice watch.
@@gasmaskdude2687 These brands are affordable because they copy designs. They are basically well produced fashion watches without any heritage or luxury value. I am glad these companies are on the market to give people with a smaller budget to get the designs they like, but they are not related to the luxury watch market.
I really like the elegance and simplicity of the face of that H. Moser & Cie, and the contrast of the filigree-like busyness of the back. My own "realistic" ambition is to own a Bremont at some point, but I would be very happy to find myself at a point in life where I can spend £9k on something that nice.
Better investment perhaps the vintage omega constellation pie pans in guilloche or black dial, or vintage seamaster divers, or vintage speedmasters. Affordable now, expensive then...
Vintage Speedys and seamaster 300 aren't that affordable anymore, I still remember the days when Cal 321 Speedy was just 3-4k usd before the Hodinkee shills
@@lettuce1305 i mean... It was part of the affordable investment that gone crazy nowadays. That's literally the point tho 😜. Though you could still find ones that are below or waay below the market price, the value would be up there in the years to come. For example back in 2015 I got omega constellation c shape ref 168. 029, white dial, steel case, white gold bezel, day date. Bought it for about 300usd, serviced it myself then proceed to wear it for almost four year till I separated with it. Sold for about 1400 usd last year. And that's a steal considering the condition is immaculate. You could check em out on my IG @uhrkenner
There is a reason this Tudor is underappreciated. Don't pretend you don't know it would be umph times more appealing with some strategic dial-refurbishing.
Kind of confused about the fact that it says the watch featured is the 79270 but that bracelet usually comes with the 79260. Can someone help me out in understanding this?
Did the price already go up? Endeavor center seconds today (9/21) is nearly 20k CHF but this gold one isn't on their site. The endeavor center seconds has different variations but all are about that price and limited to 100 pieces. Anybody know?
Hello Watchfinder & Co Team! As of recent I have been facing a problem, that is: I am unable to change first digit of date in my Breitling for Bentley Tourbilon edition. When I press date adjustor button then it changes second digit from 0 to 9 in sequential order, when it is at 9 and I press button then second digit changes to 0 and first digit stays fixed at 2. I have also tried changing date by turning crown, but that has also been vain Before approaching dealership I wanted to take your advice on whether can I rectify it myself, if yes then how? Thank You!
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'He's had many more models since' savage double entendre 5:45
Michael B Ha. I didn’t catch that.
lmfao
Problem with the Ferrari is people will think you bought it as a TK Maxx special.
Crazy-88s This. Outside of the car world, Ferrari have cheapened their brand by splashing on loads of mainstream products, including £10 polo shirts in TK Max, as you suggest.
@@krispyai4229 I feel like Montblanc is headed that way as well.
I'm a Paneristi but that Ferrari Panerai is a dud, not even Panerai collectors want to buy that. Watches aren't investments btw, but if you want a Panerai that hold its value quite well get a bronzo.
@@lettuce1305 maybe, and its a question of personal taste... infind bronzo's horrible no matter how well they hold their value... but I am with you on not finding these ferrar watches attractive or a good investment.
Crazy-88s They're all unwanted dogshit if the truth be told.
Ferrari collaborations are toxic, don’t sell, not wanted and the height of tackiness.
Problem with Ferrari branded products is their price range. Consumer electronics, shoes, even watches shouldn't exceed monthly allowance of a 10 year old, their target audience.
Paneri is a wrist turd so it's a good marriage
Jason Cousins agree. That Ferrari watch looks cheap in my opinion. I won’t be surprised the dial is mostly plastic.
Cannot agree more. I couldn't imagine a full grown man spending money on such a thing.
Ferrari collabs are steaming hot dogshit.
“Investors” are rotting the market for real watches lovers.... Because of them the prices get bloated sending those timepieces in the non affordable world... and I really don’t appreciate that...
Anyhow, now that I’ve become poor, it doesn’t matter anymore...
The markets will pick up after summer, this Corona malarkey will be forgotten like Ebola and SARS.
@@richardmelchers2938 we'll see in Summer then
its DEMAND thats rotting the market. Investors cant gain shit by buying watches nobody wants. Still, we dont HAVE to buy Rolex, there are other brands
@@JLchevz yes, they can. Just like with crypto
Remember all of this the next time around.. Read the greatest weight from Nietzsche.
I think any watch that has the name Ferrari on it is cursed to fail as history shows. However H. Moser is an incredible value at the moment and one would be foolish to think it will last forever.
The back of the H. Moser & Cie is more engrossing than the face.
One simple change could have made a big difference: leave the horse, replace the Ferrari name with Panerai - done deal.
I'm flattered but don't overestimate my wallet.
@DATING HARLEY QUINN Or toilet paper. In 3 months, I think I will swap my 3 spare toilet paper rolls for a smurf white gold Submariner and a 5711.
@@birtalanlorant5572 I'm living that bidet life, can't wait to sell my spare TP.
@@RareBrink then they shut off the water cause all the workers are sick.
Unfortunately now that we’re living in the CV-19 era, there will be a lot more watches available to invest in because the demand will inevitably go down as money gets tight.
Depends on how long this pandemic lasts, if it's gone within the next 2-3 months I reckon the economic recovery would be pretty quick, but if this goes on for another 6 months or more then we could potentially be in a depression with tens of millions or even hundreds of millions of jobs lost
If we want to get morbid, people will likely want to sell the watches left behind by elderly victims of the virus.
@@lettuce1305 I'm thinking that "hundreds of millions of jobs lost" isn't likely in a country of only 320M people. And the lockdowns aren't going to be allowed to go on for another 6 months. Not for an illness that apparently only very rarely kills anyone who doesn't already have one foot in the grave.
@@cobbler88 This comment aged like fine vinegar
@@nusatoys1932 True. But I WAS spot on in the reasoning, so I'll look at it as a glass half full. I can't say I've heard of too many people comparing different vintages of vinegar, though. And I'm not sure what would make one "fine."
I've been thinking recently that when making predictions like this, I always seem to err on the side of my belief that the public isn't nearly as stupid as it proves itself to be time and time again. :)
Moser is really amazing
But any Geneva seal standard movement is phenomenal in macro photography))
Car branded watches are about as tacky as it gets.
Think bmw by ball
Only one is classy, the JLC Amvox
@@lettuce1305 Bentley by Breitling is as naff as it gets
Is it really hard to tell why these Ferrari watches never really took?
I can help you with that.
Because no one wants a Ferrari watch, even those who own Ferraris, sorry mate, I thought that was obvious.
Ferrari badge on watches is almost always a curse
Nah, we have a few and I would rock one, any car collab (JLC/Aston) or PF/Bugatti will always be desirable to car enthusiasts
@@aymansgarage Yep, but not to watch enthusiasts.
The H Moser and Cie - what a beautiful movement and watch!
Overrated
Why overrated? It’s a unique-looking dress watch that has a great movement, and doesn’t cost as much as a similar Patek Phillipe. I won’t say the finishing is as good as a Patek, but I’d argue that Patek and its sky-high price tags is far more overrated than h moser.
Don’t worry, I can’t afford them either. I have a cadisen dress watch! $38 shipped from China (at the time of purchase), seiko nh36, sapphire crystal. But I think that people who cannot afford something can still contribute to a discussion about it and whether it’s good or not. I don’t mind an Invicta pro diver, I like it for what it is. What I don’t like is when companies overprice watches based on brand name. Though I wouldn’t mind another watch...
I always see people diss Moser , but when asked why they tend to hide silently in the darkest corner of the room without giving any concrete reasons .
I think Tiger from Tudor is a good name and this watch will be a very good investment in the future, and also the H moser & cie for the clean and net design. but Ferrari is for a ferrari owner who ware a rolex or Richard mille...
If the market keeps crashing then yes, they will become affordable
no one will be buying "investment" watch for quite some time :D Investment.... :D watch companies have come up with this idea to sell these watches at premium price, it is marketing :D look for huuuge discounts now :)
The true investment pieces will be fine as they’re in the hands of those who will be rich whatever happens to the economy. The faux investment pieces, i.e mass produced steel sports models, are about to tank though.
If you bought steel sports Rolex or Patek at RRP you'll be fine but if you bought it at inflated prices in the grey market, you can really lose money if the situation gets worse.
yeah, this aged well
You couldnt be more wrong in every way. Hopefully you have professionals taking care of your money.
The joy of watches went out the window when the word "investment" knocked on the door.
The Moser’s gonna win. It has none of the baggage that the other two have and it has the high-level of craftsmanship that flush collectors appreciate.
‘He’s had several models since’ lol well played watch finder
I’m wearing a tin of beans on my wrist at the moment.
Who needs rolex, I got a roll of toilet paper on my wrist. It's a luxury at the moment.
SmashEX Entertainment good for when you get 5 minutes alone too
Not bad, I’m just wearing the tin..... no beans
I'm finally ahead of the curve. 3 Panerai Ferrari watches in my collection. 500pc production. Beautiful design (to me).
Our definitions of affordable are very different, sir.
If the price only makes you wince then it's "affordable," if it makes you laugh at the absurdity then it's "lol money" and not affordable.
It’s really more accurate to say that the movement in the Tudor Tiger is a Valjoux rather than ETA. It’s a Valjoux 7750 in the Tudor.
Yes, they got it wrong!
The Tudor would have been really nice if not for that TIGER writing. Looks funny that way (a deal breaker for me, as if I have the money anyway haha). Otherwise, a really nice watch.
There are some that are pre tiger, so it does not have the word tiger on dial, those are the true gems. I have one.
Those dials carry the fancy word TIGER doesnt hold the great value though remember his time only
I can watch your videos one after the other, over and over. Great videos!
My three:
A. Langë & Söhne 1815 Up Down
Rolex Sea Dwellet 43 (126600)
Jaeger-LeCoultre Polaris Chronograph
The first 2 watches will definitely NOT go up in value, the Moser might.
The Panerai is like 10k right now. The cheapest one in the Ferrari lineup is the scuderia.
Love the videos! Would like to see your take on micro brands like Pagani design or Parnis.
That won't happen. Check out JustOneMoreWatch or Perth watches.
Because Richemont can't earn money with these watches.
@@asura2545 I'm not looking for a review from Watchfinder, just their thoughts on these brands.
@@gasmaskdude2687 These brands are affordable because they copy designs. They are basically well produced fashion watches without any heritage or luxury value. I am glad these companies are on the market to give people with a smaller budget to get the designs they like, but they are not related to the luxury watch market.
@@asura2545 Thanks , but i'm asking Watchfinder, if I wanted your opinion id ask you.
I really like the elegance and simplicity of the face of that H. Moser & Cie, and the contrast of the filigree-like busyness of the back. My own "realistic" ambition is to own a Bremont at some point, but I would be very happy to find myself at a point in life where I can spend £9k on something that nice.
My ‘like’ for the Moser. I’m glad I passed on the Tiger 10 years ago. I’d pass again too.
Did I miss the affordable part??
Wow, the H Moser and Cie looks fantastic!
if one can buy a Ferrari branded Panerai, can you buy a Panerai branded Ferrari. Maybe a good deal as well?
That Moser will be my pick of the bunch... very nice🙌
Now i'm interested in TOILET PAPER investment.
What 3 brands should i consider?
Let have some fun and leave your comment below.
The sun, an excellent news-toilet-paper😉
Rolex papers
Nicky!
The New York Times - and they’ll deliver it right to your door 😃
A shower head and a towel will do the trick
I've enjoyed many of your offerings. But this one today has been the most relevant to me.
Before he even speaks, I've already tick the thumbs up because its always good!!
Can you guys do a video on the Rolex Date 1530 and Datejust 1630? Anomalies from the quartz crisis!
Great video! Very educational aswell as your other videos!
The thing I don't like about the first one the Ferrari is the square/pillow shapped case
Better investment perhaps the vintage omega constellation pie pans in guilloche or black dial, or vintage seamaster divers, or vintage speedmasters. Affordable now, expensive then...
Vintage Speedys and seamaster 300 aren't that affordable anymore, I still remember the days when Cal 321 Speedy was just 3-4k usd before the Hodinkee shills
@@lettuce1305 i mean... It was part of the affordable investment that gone crazy nowadays. That's literally the point tho 😜. Though you could still find ones that are below or waay below the market price, the value would be up there in the years to come. For example back in 2015 I got omega constellation c shape ref 168. 029, white dial, steel case, white gold bezel, day date. Bought it for about 300usd, serviced it myself then proceed to wear it for almost four year till I separated with it. Sold for about 1400 usd last year. And that's a steal considering the condition is immaculate. You could check em out on my IG @uhrkenner
It's a good day when watchfinder releases a new video
Great content as always! Would love to see the channel someday feature the 79280 Tudor Tiger Prince date Chronograph too!
would definitely go with the h. moser & cie as the future investment
There is a reason this Tudor is underappreciated. Don't pretend you don't know it would be umph times more appealing with some strategic dial-refurbishing.
Kind of confused about the fact that it says the watch featured is the 79270 but that bracelet usually comes with the 79260. Can someone help me out in understanding this?
The tackymeter on the Ferrari piece perpetually reads 10.
Good luck selling watches during this apocalypse.
Good luck buying some!
Brummyred I bought my first Rolex in 08 from a jeweler going out of business. Yacht Master 16622
$1800. Might happen again.
For the right price, I’m a buyer
Why?
I'm pretty sure the G-Shocks will sell well.
Dear watchfinder
Is there any reason why you never reset Chronograph in any of your chronograph watch reviews
Love these videos.
Sugess Chronograph!?!
That Ferrari Tach is still regarded as tacky.
Having a Ferrari prancing pony on your watch is so vulgar.
What’s that Tudor model number? I can’t find this exact one.
Problem is we Don’t drive Ferarri? I got a Shelby Mustang?
Did the price already go up? Endeavor center seconds today (9/21) is nearly 20k CHF but this gold one isn't on their site. The endeavor center seconds has different variations but all are about that price and limited to 100 pieces. Anybody know?
Teddy Baldassare explains in one of his videos why watches are not recommended as investment purchases. I agree with Teddy.
Hello Watchfinder & Co Team!
As of recent I have been facing a problem, that is: I am unable to change first digit of date in my Breitling for Bentley Tourbilon edition.
When I press date adjustor button then it changes second digit from 0 to 9 in sequential order, when it is at 9 and I press button then second digit changes to 0 and first digit stays fixed at 2.
I have also tried changing date by turning crown, but that has also been vain
Before approaching dealership I wanted to take your advice on whether can I rectify it myself, if yes then how?
Thank You!
Investment and Panerai in the same breath? Might as well tell me to invest in a Hublot LOLOLOL.
Seamaster 300M Electric blue dial would be a good one.
Great vid!!
The H. Moser is crazy.
Is it really ₤9k new?
Farhan
No.
And I don’t think the mayu is in production at the moment
The prince with lunette is pretty rare nowadays. So there is no cash in and watch out easily possible.
Oyster perpetual 36m white , the double bar marks , you know that Rolex and special dials are always gonna explode
Have you considered Grieb and Benzinger?
First and last watch last one my favorite
That round RM on your website is a beauty. The original selling price... Hahahahaha!!!!
Hi would you recommend omologato watches?
I love Tudor. Only thing is people assume it's a cheap alternative to Rolex.
Tudor will be the best investment
900 P Altiplano is what everyone needs period.
The Tudor Tiger should be a very good investment! Especially since Tiger has moved to Rolex and he is getting old already.
The amount of times I have considered the Tudor but that `TIGER` name stamped on the dial puts me off every single time.
Fuck, ya spilled the beans on the Tudor chronographs. I like to call them Daytonas with a date.
I think I have become in live with Moser. They are truly some beautiful watches.
I'd trade a dozen cases of 2-ply for that Tudor chrono
Tissot squelette watch
Have you reviewed the Baume Et Mercier Clifton?
What about those grand seiko's endless "LIMITED EDITION" pcs?
“He’s had many models since...” brilliant lol
You didn't get a rolex movement 25 years ago it was a zenith
100% agree about Moser ⌚️👌🏻
New video! Thanks, made my day
Own a Tudor tiger. Paid $2400 10 years ago. Just had it serviced and it runs as good as my $10,000 gmt
Great vid thanks
please make a video about Certina brand. It has an interesting history. Thank You!
Who does your video commentary? It sounds like Alan Davies....
Can you do review of the baume & mercier clifton club shelby cobra.
Bovet review please, any of the grand recital range, If it's not too much trouble. Thanks
How about Laine watches as investments?
Watch finder can you look at ERA timepieces thanks
Great review, if possible, could you review a Orient perpetual calendar watch please, love to hear your opinion on it, Thanks.
I know the channel mentions three different models. I can’t really remember the models, but I’m always captivated by the storytelling 👍
I like the H. Moser & Cie.
"You can actually afford"
That's where you're wrong kiddo.
May I please have the name of the background music... PLEASSSE!!!
Moser is the one to watch out for
HM&C for me, simple elegance, would look great on my wrist.
If only I could afford a watch reviewed in this channel, still y love the content.
Still doesn’t like the Ferrari/Panerai creation!! They can keep it. The Tudor is strong bet !!
not now mate