"We take the universe at our hands and mold them to our will." Shows Way Big taking two of Vilgax's drones in his hands and molding them into a giant ball.
I'll be honest, seeing young Vilgax in the final episode in 1773 was the peak of plot twist for me back when I first saw the episode, even tho there were so many different "Vilgaxes" in the series
Ways to improve this episode: 1. Make the reason why the Plumbers aren't opting to kill Vilgax is because his people would declare war on them. After all, they're capable of fighting off the Incurseans who had their planet surrounded. So the Plumbers VS the Vilgaxians would be a bit in favor to the latter group. 2. Ben points out that Vilgax would figure out how to take control of Incarcecon due to how he used to have an army of robots. And add in how he knew how the original omnitrix work. 3. Show us scenes of the Incurseans fighting against the Vilgaxians. As I wanna see Frogs VS Squids!
4. Attea should have a weapon which could literally kill Vilgax, (like that Techadon disappearator). And that should put Ben in a situation in which he had a moral problem either to let vilgax be killed, or protect him because hie is a prisoner. 5. Delete hobble.
@@Neutral_Tired Completely ignoring the 100 times Vilxgax was out on the lose and a threat to whole worlds and Ben still chose not to kill him. Kevin was just beating up random people.
Glad the breakdowns and InkTank as a whole have returned. For me I wish they leaned in more of Vilgax’s cunning nature and had him full on evade the Plumbers and Ben instead of having the subplot with the Incurseans for me I never full on hated UAF Vilgax except for some moments same with OV I just wish he went a little harder with his villainous schemes.
I think it would've been cool if Vilgax was stuck inside a containment pod or something that kept his design obscured, having him spend the episode as more of an observer that keeps taunting and antagonizing Ben. Then when Attea fires the techadon laser, it obliterates his prison, but only gives him a dramatic smoke cloud for the reveal of both his new design and that he needed someone to damage his prison in order to escape.
@@epicfail7874one small thing I didn't like about OV and RE Vilgax's designs are the fact that they have the arm steroid pistons but never use them and it's just a design thing. I wouldn't be complaining if Classic didn't show them being arm steroids instead of villainous decor. Edit: 11:59, oh, Kuro also slightly talks about it.
17:35 for the same reason the police aren't allowed to just walk into a prison cell and shoot an inmate. The Plumbers are in a position of authority, they need to be respected and trustworthy and that means they need to follow their own rules. They don't appear to have the death penalty, which means they can't kill Vilgax while he's unarmed and not a threat.
In the Servantis Arc, the Plumbers get around the rules by having Ben do their dirty work. Which doesn't make much sense either given Ben's been proven to be a Plumber a dozen times over, but it still happened. Plus, Ben was still going to kill Kevin, and Max said he would've done the same.
@@TheInkTankit could be that even if he isn’t officially a plumber apparently (even tho he did his training and his partner is a plumber but whatever) because this is episode was an official plumber mission ben didn’t couldn’t just kill him
@@TheInkTank Kevin was still an active threat, it's the difference between killing someone in a firefight and in their cell. Also, with all the powers he had, Ultimate Kevin was basically impossible to contain for any extended period of time. As for how they used him in the Servantis arc, there's big difference between Ben breaking Plumber procedure and Ben illegally executing a powerful and beloved (by his own people) political leader who's currently in Plumber custody.
@@TheInkTank Difference being Ben can't unalive someone when someone is in prison, but he can do this in self-defense or by protecting the city. Just like cop can unalive someone when he is robbing the bank etc. And that was the Servantis problem, that Ben shouldn't do that with his level of power. (he could also be lying, it's Servantis) In case of Max u can be a part of some organization and still have different opinion on some topics.
I wish they had been more consistent with how they portrayed Vilgax in Omniverse. It seems like they couldn’t decide between making him the main big villain like in classic, and making him just another villain of the week. Really a shame considering how great he was in Classic.
It's strange, because other than "And then there were none" and "And then there was Ben", he's not an actual theat in OV, and they just pass the time making fun of him
@@mertensiam3384 he is not an actual threat in those episodes at all, his bomb and the bens are the threat Once those are gone, they literally show a 30 second montage of him being beaten up and barely being able to defend himself and that’s that
@@ahaha272 he's the one who killed literally every Ben, but yeah, even WHEN he's supposed to be a theat, he really isn't. Honestly if they only made him appear in that episode and killed him off there, it would've been a lot better than anything they did with him. The more you make Vilgax appear the worse he gets
the ov writers did vilgax nothing like his og self i mean he was afraid of nothing stating he would take his chances with the omnitrix self destruct, showing no fear to six six's weapons and beating him for talking back to him, admitting he doesn't show gratitude to anyone and wasn't afraid of any of ben's other foes like kevin and six six. The original series writers wrote him perfectly tbh he was okay in af but his design and voice doesn't exactly scream vilgax ua was meh and ov he was quite bad why would he be afraid of ma vreedle?
Probably because they were busy with other stuff, the release schedule for breakdowns has become more sporadic ever since they started putting more focus onto stuff like And Beyond and the 5YL motion comic
Its kinda sad that the franchise never recovered from alien force season 3. Ultimate atleast tried, but omniverse just goes head dive in the same problems
I think its funny how you started this episode jokingly calling Hobble a gigachad, then realized you couldnt keep up the charade because he really is that pathetic so you proceeded to just rip him to shreads for the rest if it.
Vilgax: You could never truly defeat me, because you don’t have the guts! Despite holding the greatest weapon in the universe! Ben: First off Squid-face! The Omnitrix is not a weapon! Vilgax: And yet you use it in that manner countless times. At least the Incurseans and even your putrid grandfather don't hesitating to go for the kill. Ben: Well yeah, but- Vilgax: Face it Tennyson, no matter how many transformations you have, you can never pick the hard option. So what will it be? (Just a little dialogue I imagined up for the scene they had together. What do you think?)
As much as UAF Vilgax was worse than the classic version, he was still shown defeating the Galactic Enforcers, Ultimos, Max, Alan, Helen, Manny, Cooper, Pierce, Jet Ray, Big Chill, Humungousaur and Chromastone on his own and was shown to be a powerful fighter in almost all his episodes, which is far more than you can say for Omniverse Vilgax who constantly gets his ass kicked.
@@itsmenobody3837 And being a pain for Ben in UAF, always returning and always making Ben hate all encounters! Omiverse Gax? 97% of time is a joke! Malgax is a joke to make Ben and Skurd friends again and not a treat! (Yes he are stronger but istead of the fight be the high point the Soap Opera of Skurd is always in the middle!) Only in "Omniversal War Ben" he is fun!!!!
@@itsmenobody3837 2 Jokes, moments of him be the most powerful being in the omniverse, a weak ending yeah! But still more fun than Gax Omniverse in my opinion
I did like SixSix and his siblings this episode. I like to think they heard how Vil treated their brother in Secret of The Omnitrix and were like "you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us."
I don't know whether to say Ha! or huh? But in my book I really think you make a point but let me ask you think just because same species means thier siblings? Come on that's a good concept but it's a personal note in how 2 older same gender siblings and 1 opposite sibling join the family job i like and appreciate.
Vilgax threatening and attacking Waybig isn't a great point when he knew that was Ben and barely did some damage. Him taming the Null Guardians because he just imposes that much respect is a better point
27:15 Honestly, I never really payed much attention to how badly OV annihilated Vilgax's character until I saw this breakdown. This scene from SOTO solidified that for me. Even UAF still made him somewhat threatening.
I'm so glad Steve Blum is back. He's one of my favorite voice actors. Nothing against James Remar, I love him in other roles (especially Tonraq) but you can't replace the GOAT
James does not care about the character. At Pensacola Comic Con he had a photo of Vilgax from OV for people to sign when he didn't even voice the character in that series.
Okay, a possible reason behind why vilgax isn't killed: the incurson was pushed back from Vilgaxia when they heard of Vilgax fighting back. Imagine how hard they would go after the plumbers and Ben when they hear they killed Vilgax or let him die. Vilgax is a political prisoner.
This breakdown is like if eye of the beholder got a full breakdown 😂 Respect to keeping true to your opinion and they might as well as used a different character other than vilgax (should of been songax) Unpopular opinion but I kinda like 77 and 88 because of the variety- kinda like how there’s multiple coloured of Boba Fetts/Mandalorians
The idea of having vilgax’s son be the main vilgaxian-antagonist from UAF onward was such a good one and ever since it was mentioned I’ve wished for it to be the way things had gone
22:30 The incurseans do say that Vilgaxia is their ticket to taking over the whole system. He's also still egging him on, basically going 'Think about how many planets you don't save while you're busy escorting me'
I actually liked Six-six, Seven-seven, and Eight-eight. The three of them gave me serious sibling energy. My headcanon is that 6-6 is the older brother who made a name for himself, 7-7 is the middle child who tried to coast off of his older brother’s reputation, and 8-8 is the youngest sibling who is the strongest strength-wise. I think we see them in one of the later seasons, almost looking like a family out for a walk. Or maybe I’m misremembering.
The way vilgax acts and with steve Blume voice, he kind of reminds me of starscream from transformers prime. Like I could see starscream act like this in that show.
Literally so much of this could be lines from tfp and I would not question it at all, and that is not just because it’s the same voice actor cause I wouldn’t say this about os vilgax
@@honeyjewel1089The difference here is that Starscream wouldn’t have the spine to tempt Megatron to kill him, while Vilgax pretty much told Ben to his face “try me, bitch”
19:28 logistically the prison would be far easier to break out of if the blackout zone affected it too since it would make communication between guards extremely difficult so the simplest presumption is just that it doesn't affect the inside of the prison
The problem with that and what OV decided to do (unless the ones conducting the evacuation and relocation of Incarcecon's prisoners weren't guards of course), is that, according to SOTO, there are no guards for Incarcecon or Warden or law enforcement for and in Incarcecon whatsoever.
Vilgax literally survives the big laser practically unharmed, I am pretty sure he didn't need to run from their small pistols, probably won't even feel them. God, I think that when Ben recreated the universe he make everyone with less braincells.
3:00 I mean, the pop-up trivia even hinted Vilgax will continue causing mayhem for 300 years after the "Ben 10,000" episode until the 15th generation of Omnitrix Heroes decided to do everyone a favor and unalive him once and for all, without any means of resurrection. 16:47 Tennyson Rizz at 100%! 😂😂
@@six5809 Yeah. Right now, that info was deleted but I have been repeatedly checking on Pop-up Trivia so I did saw that info. Pop-up Trivia is questionably canon but non canon at the same time. It's depending your perspective but what's true is that there are generations of Bearers, as that was Vilgax 3000's goal: Kill Ben 10,000 to end his generations of Heroes and Vilgax will win. And the Omnitrix outlived Ben so yeah, there are generations of Heroes.
After Ben asked Attea about the princess thing, she said "I am a princess", to me that's a hidden joke because Tara Strong voiced another princess, Twilight Sparkle from My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic.
To me Vilgax only got worse as the time went on. In Classic he was a scary threat. In UAF despite his supposed new powers he was not as big of a physical threat to Ben. And im Omniverse he is practically NO physical threat to Ben at all. To counter balance this they made him more cunning but i think that has its limits. Omniverse Vilgax only manages things if he has plot convenient bullshit like the time bomb or Malware armor, otherwise he gets his ass kicked in a flash.
@@arifm.5635 Nah i mean in classic xylene mentions that she was sending the omnitrix to max. I clearly remember ben being upset by this revelation and Gwen trying to cheer him up in that very episode. So its not a uaf retcon.
Seeing alien warlord, conqueror of worlds, master of the Omnitrix, and just general badass Vilgax cowering behind a wall from fucking Six-six who he could and has beat into oblivion is just wild
True, though I wonder what other arcs they could have for his character. If anything, they’d probably have to have him kill off a major character (Azmuth?)
Considering that they dedicated arcs to older villains like the Incurseans and Albedo, idk why they didn't do one for Vilgax. I mean I kinda get it, he got 3 separate arcs in the previous 3 shows, but if you were gonna bring him back, give him some gravitas! I actually quite like when he shows up later in OV, so imo they shoulda gone all in with his return
@@NeonWafflez707 Okay hear me out: Rook. You spend the entire show getting to know him and he eventually becomes equal to Max, Gwen and Kevin when it comes to importance and likability. Then have him die to Vilgax in either one of the later seasons or just straight up the finale. It'll cement Vilgax as a true villain even after all this time.
@@Couch_Banana okay, hear ME out: Ester. Ben is finally happy in another relationship. She’s an amazing character and their chemistry is great. She gets more episodes and screen time, and the character gets on well with the rest of the squad. But then Ben’s greatest enemy, Vilgax, takes his happiness away from him and kills Ester. Typical trope of villain killing the main character’s love interest. But it would be a better way to keep Kai and Ben in the future and not Ester - instead of the writers just forcing them to break up, she dies and Ben ends up with someone else - Kai. It keeps the timeline they want but adds more gravity to the Ben/Ester relationship.
I think, vilgax is an important figure for his part of the system. Just his capture and the frogs invaded his planet. His death might have caused an intergalactic war or a civil war among his captured planets. The plumbers have a leverage keeping him alive
Kuro basically summed up most of my problems with OV Vilgax, so instead of repeating his words, I’ll do what I love doing with Vilgax most and compare him to 2003 TMNT Shredder, because I find them alike in many aspects. Classic Vilgax ≈ Utrom Shredder S1-S3 - a cold, heartless and powerful dictator with a set goal in mind, who’s a nightmare to deal with. Peak. UAF Vilgax ≈ Utrom Shredder from Turtles Forever - Inconsistent from before in attitude and goal, but still a threatening presence. Omniverse Vilgax ≈ Cyber Shredder - Supposedly the same character as the original, but actually just poorly written and washed up. Reboot Vilgax ≈ Tengu Shredder - A completely separate character, who’s just as menacing as the original, but has more of a personality and is more expressive. Idk if that made sense to others, but TL;DR OV Vilgax sucks and is incomparably the worst iteration of the character.
A good analysis, but I don't know, I feel you're being too nice by comparing OV Vilgax to Cyber Shredder. Sure, Cyber Shredder sucked, but at least the Turtles still saw him as a threat and he still got to kick ass somewhat. OV Vilgax is just a joke unless he gets a special equipment
@@Theokal3 Maybe I was a little. I definitely like Cyber Shredder better than Omniverse Vilgax, but they’re both undoubtedly the worst versions of each other. Guess the Shredders are just a bit more consistent in quality than the Vilgaxes, lol.
In defense of Ben not killing Vilgax but being willing to kill Kevin, I think you’re missing a major point, Vilgax was captured and in custody. That is a lot different from Kevin, who was a monster that they couldn’t capture. No one cared when they thought Vilgax died at the end of AF, so it’s not like they value his life; they just recognize they are supposed to follow due process for someone in custody. I think if you look at it from that perspective, Ben comes out of this episode looking really cool. He’s in total control, and while he doesn’t really care if Vilgax dies, he’s going to follow his job to the best of his ability, which means protecting prisoners
12:54 That's exactly what I thought. The Ghost Freak A.F. episode started with Vilgax flying through space, the A.F. finale explosion weakened him but didn't kill him, here he could probably escape before this ship blew up, if it did.
Honestly, to make Vilgax have his OS reputation back, they could have done this kind of scenario. Instead of regular cuffs, Vilgax should have been wearing a specific type of straightjacket made specifically for him and it can only be removed by a remote and instead of letting him walk around he should be transported around strapped even more by a hover device. Like the once used on insane criminals. The final battle where Vilgax blocked the Techadon dissipator, the scene should be that the dissipator hit a machine that triggers a massive explosion where everyone is able to escape but Vilgax was left behind, everyone looks at the fiery rubble and Attea smirks thinking she killed Vilgax but Ben however knows better and watches as they hear machines and rubble moved and breaking and they hear a laugh as Vilgax was able to free himself using the explosion to weaken his straightjacket and bindings. There he absolutely mops the floor with everyone except for Ben and we get to see Ben and Vilgax go at it like animals. A cool scene would be Ben as Humongousaur growing and increasing his scales and spikes while Vilgax using his steroid boosters to bulk up before both rushing into each other for an all out brawl.
The mystery element That made classic good is what made vilagx good and it lined perfectly with his introduction, powers and intelligence For me UAF made him into a generic powerhouse an took away the best elements of his character And in OV there's nothing left
I think what made the difference was presentation. If you pay close attention, AUF Vilgax has a better track record of victories and feats than OS Vilgax, who just kept doing the same routine of returning to face Ben only to be either trapped, left to blow up, or beaten. But OS Vilgax spent half a season of built up kept in the shadow on life support, and when he *did* show up, he easily shrugged off Ben's attacks before throwing him across multiple buildings - not to mention *Max* of all people was shown scared to see him. Then in his following appearances he was seen beating up Kevin, tamed the Null Guardians through sheer dominance, and intimidated Sixsix into obeying. Little details like this really gave a him an intimidating presence and a feeling of strength, that none of the sequels managed to capture quite as well.
Ben: "Comedy's not really big on your planet is it?" Vilgax: "My race were bred and born to be warriors, the most ruthless and dangerous army, prepared to battle anything standing in our way. We do not have time for your pointless antics... Tennyson." Change it up however you like, I feel like Classic Vilgax would've said something along these lines
One thing I will say I like about this episode is that Ben was very serious about this. Like he so done with Vilgax it feels like a bit of UAF Ben and I like that.
I don't know, felt inconsistant to me. One moment he's yawning at Vilgax's threat, the next he treats him dead serious. One moment he cracks jokes and frees him, the other he has a serious discussion about never killing him.
I think you're missing the point of why the Plumbers are hesitant to let the Incursions kill Vilgax. To them, he's a dangerous galactic tyrant. But in the eyes of his people on Vilgaxia, he's a hero. The logic here is if he were to die, then the rest of his people would be demoralised enough that the Incursions would be able to conquer their planet. That's how I read into it at least.
True, the comparison with kevin wasn't very good. Kevin was a deranged psycho killing people. Vilgax was a dictator, which is arguable more damaging to the universr, yeah, but it also makes him a political figure. Ben can't just kill him. It's like you shooting hitl** vs. shooting Ted bundy. Both aren't good people, but only the death of one of them would involve wide nations interference and politics.
Vilgax's design kinda gave me that feeling of "Oh. oh no they're gonna underutilize him." Like you can cut him from the Omniverse series and still enjoy the rest.
22:38 I think it could've maybe worked if he said something like "You may have the Omnitrix, but do you really think you can beat an entire ARMADA of war like tribe? You need me and my people Tennison, without me and my people, you'll never manage to stop Incursions Armada." Obviously make it sounds like Classic Vilgax cuz I'm bad at writing but ya get my point. Vilgax could've easily made a decent point to team up with him but he didn't sadly 😢
@@blueraccoon1088 imagine this scenario. Rook: what if we went back in time, find baby vilgax, and then, (does the strangling with rope jester) Ben: first of all, that's horrible. Rook: it's vilgax.
Steve Blume voices Vilgax differently in omniverse It sounds like rather than voicing classic Vilgax, Steve is voicing transformers prime starscream in a lower tone
Ironically enough I had just re-watched this episode recently and my first thought was "I wonder when Kuro will cover this episode" and everything I predicted you would say has now come to pass.
Just a thought, but I think if it was a legitimate storyline in OV that Vilgax became aware of his exponential mediocrity and the plumbers and Ben treating him like less than a threat, it would actually be a dope way to fuel Vilgax’s plan to wipe out every Ben in the multiverse. You wouldn’t have to change any plots of this episode, just polish up the character interactions and throw in a line to point it in the right direction, then allude more to this pettiness in “And Then There Were None.”
That made him Mad and because the way he are talking about the comments he made about UAF we can almost have certanly someone are used his thoughts about latter UAF episodes to make fun or make hate about the fandom of UAF! Probably that is the reason of him be soo savage! Or he simply hate Ominiverse Gax! XD
24:24 WHO WROTE THIS EPISODE?! They had Rook say "Lower your weapons or you will shoot Hobble!" Then proceeded to have him whip out his proto-tool, shoot a wire that _randomly ignores physics and curves by itself_ and latches onto 77's leg, the whole process taking about _five whole seconds,_ and 77 just does NOTHING?!
31:51 - “I don’t know what came over me.” We all know the answer: The power of bad writing. They should’ve killed of Original Series Vilgax in Secretbof the Omnitrix and make the future iterations his somewhat threatening but immature son.
It's crazy to think that after this Vilgax, canonically, spends the next 4 years time travelling and dimension hopping with Eon. And we don't see him again until ATTWN.
Vilgax taking cover from the gunfire is epsecially odd considering in the original series the plumbers needed to develope a special weapon that was keyed into Vilgax's bio-signature to defeat him the first time.
20:03 I mean Xylene was transporting the Omnitrix like she said in the visitor but had to drop it off to Max since she was getting attacked BY VILGAX like she said in the visitor also so it is technically Vilgax’s fault that Ben accidentally got the Omnitrix (Until they reveal why Ben got it instead of Max, and tbh I find that scene stupid)
It's cool that here in Brazil the episode is actually named "Vilgax tem que MORRER" (Vilgax must DIE) instead of some pun related to frogs Also, we never changed VA's for Vilgax here, it was always the same up until the Reboot pretty sure, and even then it was just for some episodes and I'm happy with that cuz Ricardo Telles does an amazing job voicing him.
Also I think Vilgax in Omnivores significantly became weaker as a side affect of having Dagon's powers turn from him, it could have taken I toll on his body making him not as powerful as he use to be, perhaps damaging his own DNA another reason to have the Omnitrix
Would make sense, except in and there was none/Ben 2 parter, it's revealed he's okay killing off All Ben's which at that point most if not all are so ingrained with their omnitrix's that it erases them as well except for Prime and No watch because it being no watches universe.
I 20:33 I always saw it as vilgax as honestly just being comfortable around Ben like he doesn’t need to do the whole warlord thing like he could just be genuine guy with him like it’s sort of his way of showing that, even though he won’t say it, he respect him
An honest comparison that I would make is how Frieza is with Goku like compare Dragon Ball Z to Dragon Ball super frieza's way with Goku is much different between the two franchises because begrudgingly he's grown to respect Goku he still hates his guts don't get me wrong but you can tell there's a respect between them and that's how I see it with Ben and Vilgax
The worst thing that happened to Vilgax as he went through all these series was the progressive loss of his surprisingly feminine waist and hips. I mean pre-cyborg classic Vilgax had an amazing figure, it's so sad that he slowly lost it. Poor guy.
3:18 This could be me looking into it. But you see Rook’s smoothie straw isn’t bent but Ben’s is. I wonder if that’s to indicate Ben never picked up his smoothie, instead lowering his head to drink it. But Rook actually picks it up and holds it to his mouth to drink. Maybe I’m just looking into it too hard but it’s such a specific detail
That comment about how ben will kill Kevin if he goes slightly bad but won't kill Vilgax even though he's done all this bad stuff reminds me of batman and his contingency plans for the justice league if they go bad but won't kill the joker
It was cool seeing vilgax again as well as six six. But one thing I noticed while watching this is that the ships leaving at the start of the episode are the same ship designs that are in ‘secret of the omnitrix’ when ben controls one in the movie. Either way I agree this so was not very good for vilgax, good video, can’t wait for and beyond and keep it up ink tank.
1:36 For Tiffen name - "Marshi". I have driven the name from marshmallow because it looks cute and soft like a marshmallow and I think his/her(i don't know the gender) mother will keep a name like this as in alien force she is shown to be a affectionate mother.
26:28 this scene is awesome because it’s only been a few episodes since breakout, where the entire storyline was that Ben can’t do hand to hand or reflex.
- Pretending to serve Daegon
- Pretending to sacrifice himself for Ben
Vilgax is one HELL of an actor
I think it could have worked if he said "The only one allowed to kill Tennison is me."
Si siempre pensé que lo hizo solo por eso@@michaelelmore1678
If they used Vilgax montage that Kuro used, maybe it would work 😂
30:36 *Noooooooooo*
If he wasn’t a ruthless killer, he could probably make a killing on Broadway
"We take the universe at our hands and mold them to our will."
Shows Way Big taking two of Vilgax's drones in his hands and molding them into a giant ball.
I'll be honest, seeing young Vilgax in the final episode in 1773 was the peak of plot twist for me back when I first saw the episode, even tho there were so many different "Vilgaxes" in the series
imo that should have been his only appearance in OV he just isn’t needed as a main villain by then
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I would enjoy what they do with him in the reboot. Also Classic Ben was right Reboot Ben looked awesome as a Vilgax alien.
Honestly my favorite Vilgax is the reboot Vilgax
@@ahaha272 he was needed in And Then There Were None, it was poetic how Vilgax was the one to erase every Ben Tennyson
Ways to improve this episode:
1. Make the reason why the Plumbers aren't opting to kill Vilgax is because his people would declare war on them. After all, they're capable of fighting off the Incurseans who had their planet surrounded. So the Plumbers VS the Vilgaxians would be a bit in favor to the latter group.
2. Ben points out that Vilgax would figure out how to take control of Incarcecon due to how he used to have an army of robots. And add in how he knew how the original omnitrix work.
3. Show us scenes of the Incurseans fighting against the Vilgaxians. As I wanna see Frogs VS Squids!
I'm definitely all for this
Replace hobble with cooper or patelliday or max or the plumbers helpers just someone else that’s actually useful 🙏😭
4. Attea should have a weapon which could literally kill Vilgax, (like that Techadon disappearator). And that should put Ben in a situation in which he had a moral problem either to let vilgax be killed, or protect him because hie is a prisoner.
5. Delete hobble.
Or have it be that vilgax be weaker/ weaken because he needs a dose of the nanites from ymthe original series
I really like the first idea
Ben when his friend Loses control and becomes a mutant again: DIE! DIE!!!
Also Ben: Does not Kill vilgax
At this point one could ask oneself if Ben and Vilgax suffer of something akin to Stockholm Syndrome......
The dude he has a 3 century-long rivalry against (at least for Vilgax)
"Oh last time I get vilgax, I left him in Pieces"
-ben 10 thousand
Kevin was actively endangering the entire world and basically impossible to contain, Vilgax is already contained and effectively not a threat
@@Neutral_Tired Completely ignoring the 100 times Vilxgax was out on the lose and a threat to whole worlds and Ben still chose not to kill him. Kevin was just beating up random people.
The montage was really funny but I do wish you had included the scene where Ben gives Vilgax a happy meal 😂
Their first real date
@@TheInkTankjust don't let them know that vilgax is over 8.
🤣🤣🤣
@@TheInkTank It's nice to see such a long time nemesis relationship hold up that well :p
That’s what kept a 10/10 from being a 20/10
I never realized the small detail of Vilgax having 2 tentacles like a real squid
It's a pretty cool detail!
I always noticed that.
Glad the breakdowns and InkTank as a whole have returned. For me I wish they leaned in more of Vilgax’s cunning nature and had him full on evade the Plumbers and Ben instead of having the subplot with the Incurseans for me I never full on hated UAF Vilgax except for some moments same with OV I just wish he went a little harder with his villainous schemes.
Pretty good detail right
@@christianparrish3292good for you
I think it would've been cool if Vilgax was stuck inside a containment pod or something that kept his design obscured, having him spend the episode as more of an observer that keeps taunting and antagonizing Ben. Then when Attea fires the techadon laser, it obliterates his prison, but only gives him a dramatic smoke cloud for the reveal of both his new design and that he needed someone to damage his prison in order to escape.
thats so much better
This is something that I woulda much rather preferred since this is more in character for Vilgax
The slow decline of vilgax from absolute tyrant to galactic warlord just a villain of the week was just sad
Agreed. Had Omniverse made arc 10, Vilgax really should’ve been its big bad.
And then the Reboot made him brilliant again
@@epicfail7874one small thing I didn't like about OV and RE Vilgax's designs are the fact that they have the arm steroid pistons but never use them and it's just a design thing. I wouldn't be complaining if Classic didn't show them being arm steroids instead of villainous decor.
Edit: 11:59, oh, Kuro also slightly talks about it.
After uaf I never wanted to see him again utterly destroyed his character
@@epicfail7874One of the things I liked in the reboot. It's for kids but it's great for its target audience
17:35 for the same reason the police aren't allowed to just walk into a prison cell and shoot an inmate.
The Plumbers are in a position of authority, they need to be respected and trustworthy and that means they need to follow their own rules. They don't appear to have the death penalty, which means they can't kill Vilgax while he's unarmed and not a threat.
In the Servantis Arc, the Plumbers get around the rules by having Ben do their dirty work. Which doesn't make much sense either given Ben's been proven to be a Plumber a dozen times over, but it still happened. Plus, Ben was still going to kill Kevin, and Max said he would've done the same.
@@TheInkTankit could be that even if he isn’t officially a plumber apparently (even tho he did his training and his partner is a plumber but whatever) because this is episode was an official plumber mission ben didn’t couldn’t just kill him
@@TheInkTank Kevin was still an active threat, it's the difference between killing someone in a firefight and in their cell. Also, with all the powers he had, Ultimate Kevin was basically impossible to contain for any extended period of time.
As for how they used him in the Servantis arc, there's big difference between Ben breaking Plumber procedure and Ben illegally executing a powerful and beloved (by his own people) political leader who's currently in Plumber custody.
@@Neutral_Tired Thank you! I was thinking the same thing watching the breakdown. I'm glad someone else commented what I was thinking
@@TheInkTank Difference being Ben can't unalive someone when someone is in prison, but he can do this in self-defense or by protecting the city. Just like cop can unalive someone when he is robbing the bank etc. And that was the Servantis problem, that Ben shouldn't do that with his level of power. (he could also be lying, it's Servantis) In case of Max u can be a part of some organization and still have different opinion on some topics.
I wish they had been more consistent with how they portrayed Vilgax in Omniverse. It seems like they couldn’t decide between making him the main big villain like in classic, and making him just another villain of the week. Really a shame considering how great he was in Classic.
It's strange, because other than "And then there were none" and "And then there was Ben", he's not an actual theat in OV, and they just pass the time making fun of him
@@mertensiam3384 he is not an actual threat in those episodes at all, his bomb and the bens are the threat
Once those are gone, they literally show a 30 second montage of him being beaten up and barely being able to defend himself and that’s that
@@ahaha272 he's the one who killed literally every Ben, but yeah, even WHEN he's supposed to be a theat, he really isn't. Honestly if they only made him appear in that episode and killed him off there, it would've been a lot better than anything they did with him.
The more you make Vilgax appear the worse he gets
the ov writers did vilgax nothing like his og self i mean he was afraid of nothing stating he would take his chances with the omnitrix self destruct, showing no fear to six six's weapons and beating him for talking back to him, admitting he doesn't show gratitude to anyone and wasn't afraid of any of ben's other foes like kevin and six six. The original series writers wrote him perfectly tbh he was okay in af but his design and voice doesn't exactly scream vilgax ua was meh and ov he was quite bad why would he be afraid of ma vreedle?
@@temidayobello1311I mean ma vreedle can blow up the sun I would be scared to
The sad montague had me rolling. No wonder why this breakdown took so long lol
That was funny 😂
Probably because they were busy with other stuff, the release schedule for breakdowns has become more sporadic ever since they started putting more focus onto stuff like And Beyond and the 5YL motion comic
Its kinda sad that the franchise never recovered from alien force season 3. Ultimate atleast tried, but omniverse just goes head dive in the same problems
Oh yeah that was the best part of this whole breakdown XD
Montague?
"You probably could just eat him." That had me so weak
"Just lean down and *munch*" the image is destroying me
I wonder if Vilgax actually eats humans.
@@TMDTheMaskDirector-ye5oewouldn’t surprise me
Someone must commission this
I think its funny how you started this episode jokingly calling Hobble a gigachad, then realized you couldnt keep up the charade because he really is that pathetic so you proceeded to just rip him to shreads for the rest if it.
Good to see Steve Blum reprised his role as Vilgax.
It would be better if the material was on par with his first outing, but Omniverse did not do Vilgax justice.
Was such a pleasure to hear *the* voice of Vilgax again!
And he didn’t get to voice Heatblast
If he came back to voice Z’Skayr, Ghostfreak and Vilgax there is absolutely no reason he couldn’t have come back as Heatblast. We were robbed.
Vilgax: You could never truly defeat me, because you don’t have the guts! Despite holding the greatest weapon in the universe!
Ben: First off Squid-face! The Omnitrix is not a weapon!
Vilgax: And yet you use it in that manner countless times. At least the Incurseans and even your putrid grandfather don't hesitating to go for the kill.
Ben: Well yeah, but-
Vilgax: Face it Tennyson, no matter how many transformations you have, you can never pick the hard option. So what will it be?
(Just a little dialogue I imagined up for the scene they had together. What do you think?)
Guess Vikgax didn't watch the Ultimate Kevin Arc.
@@mechajay3358 Ben was kinda out of character in that arc so I don't think we should count that.
I like it a lot! I wish that was in the episode, at least as an alternate scene!
I whould like this, a lot.
As much as UAF Vilgax was worse than the classic version, he was still shown defeating the Galactic Enforcers, Ultimos, Max, Alan, Helen, Manny, Cooper, Pierce, Jet Ray, Big Chill, Humungousaur and Chromastone on his own and was shown to be a powerful fighter in almost all his episodes, which is far more than you can say for Omniverse Vilgax who constantly gets his ass kicked.
and getting cold, don’t forget that
But he continue to get his ass kicked by ben
@@itsmenobody3837 And being a pain for Ben in UAF, always returning and always making Ben hate all encounters!
Omiverse Gax? 97% of time is a joke! Malgax is a joke to make Ben and Skurd friends again and not a treat! (Yes he are stronger but istead of the fight be the high point the Soap Opera of Skurd is always in the middle!)
Only in "Omniversal War Ben" he is fun!!!!
@@victorsilva-ib6im and by the end of his big threat in UAF he got a happy meal with ben, so kind that sweet little gax
@@itsmenobody3837 2 Jokes, moments of him be the most powerful being in the omniverse, a weak ending yeah!
But still more fun than Gax Omniverse in my opinion
30:39 That montage was actually beautiful, what the heck!
I did like SixSix and his siblings this episode. I like to think they heard how Vil treated their brother in Secret of The Omnitrix and were like "you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us."
interesting explanation you are suggesting
I don't know whether to say Ha! or huh? But in my book I really think you make a point but let me ask you think just because same species means thier siblings? Come on that's a good concept but it's a personal note in how 2 older same gender siblings and 1 opposite sibling join the family job i like and appreciate.
That "no it didn't" sounds like it's from a RUclips poop
This character went from threatening a To'kustar and hurting it with one hand to running from Ma Vreedle. _Really let that sink in._
Long time no see choppa
Vilgax could have tried anything and it would not have done anything to Waybig.
Vilgax threatening and attacking Waybig isn't a great point when he knew that was Ben and barely did some damage. Him taming the Null Guardians because he just imposes that much respect is a better point
27:15 Honestly, I never really payed much attention to how badly OV annihilated Vilgax's character until I saw this breakdown. This scene from SOTO solidified that for me. Even UAF still made him somewhat threatening.
I'm so glad Steve Blum is back. He's one of my favorite voice actors. Nothing against James Remar, I love him in other roles (especially Tonraq) but you can't replace the GOAT
Couldn't agree with you more
Heck, he has his own voice classes. You can take a part on how to become a voice actor
James does not care about the character. At Pensacola Comic Con he had a photo of Vilgax from OV for people to sign when he didn't even voice the character in that series.
@@SillyShangTsung wow
I still can't believe his FIRST appearance in Omniverse was juat as a prisoner being walked around.
Okay, a possible reason behind why vilgax isn't killed:
the incurson was pushed back from Vilgaxia when they heard of Vilgax fighting back. Imagine how hard they would go after the plumbers and Ben when they hear they killed Vilgax or let him die.
Vilgax is a political prisoner.
Plus, Plumbers don't have death penalty
30:37
lmao everyone memes the ending of Ultimate Alien when Vilgax goes: “you.. stabbed me..?” but no one calls out this for Omniverse 😂💀
I mean, it's because there's the Ma Vreedle joke that's worse than this to make fun of. And "You stabbed me!" never gets old.
Because that's worse then anything shown in The whole Omniverse!
32:30
" Gravattack? I guess. "
Excuse me? Is manipulation of GRAVITY ITSELF not good enough for you Ben?
Yeah, probably around top 10 of his sixty or something aliens.
@@silverbreaker9271
Maybe even in the top 8
This breakdown is like if eye of the beholder got a full breakdown 😂
Respect to keeping true to your opinion and they might as well as used a different character other than vilgax (should of been songax)
Unpopular opinion but I kinda like 77 and 88 because of the variety- kinda like how there’s multiple coloured of Boba Fetts/Mandalorians
Yeah
The idea of having vilgax’s son be the main vilgaxian-antagonist from UAF onward was such a good one and ever since it was mentioned I’ve wished for it to be the way things had gone
@@fka_sophrosyne who would vilgax be married to though?
@@christianparrish3292
Ma Vreedle, maybe? I got no other idea.
@@Couch_Banana that's unlikely.
22:30 The incurseans do say that Vilgaxia is their ticket to taking over the whole system. He's also still egging him on, basically going 'Think about how many planets you don't save while you're busy escorting me'
Makes we wish we had these breakdowns for Generator Rex. Now THAT show does characterization right, especially for its villains
Agreed! It would be nice to see that show getting some attention since it is very underrated.
12:49 kuro’s echo of Kill him kills me everytime
I actually liked Six-six, Seven-seven, and Eight-eight. The three of them gave me serious sibling energy. My headcanon is that 6-6 is the older brother who made a name for himself, 7-7 is the middle child who tried to coast off of his older brother’s reputation, and 8-8 is the youngest sibling who is the strongest strength-wise. I think we see them in one of the later seasons, almost looking like a family out for a walk. Or maybe I’m misremembering.
Yeah later on they return along with Two-two (a little baby girl).
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 I knew it! That was so adorable!
I only like SixSix.
In UAF 7-7 was stated to be more dangerous than 6-6 ,but that's maybe because he one ups his brother with better equipment
We went from Megatron to Star scream as another way to describe vilgax's fall
Más bien de Megatron de Transformers 1 al Megatron de Transformers 5
Fuck that's accurate...
That’s insulting to Starscream. He’s pretty powerful in Prime and ESPICALLY Cybertron
Funny considering Steve Blum has voiced both Starscream and Vilgax
30:37 this edit didn't have to go so hard 🔥🔥🥶🥶
Ur series is cool
The way vilgax acts and with steve Blume voice, he kind of reminds me of starscream from transformers prime. Like I could see starscream act like this in that show.
Literally so much of this could be lines from tfp and I would not question it at all, and that is not just because it’s the same voice actor cause I wouldn’t say this about os vilgax
@@honeyjewel1089The difference here is that Starscream wouldn’t have the spine to tempt Megatron to kill him, while Vilgax pretty much told Ben to his face “try me, bitch”
At least starscream got to conquer 10 worlds
19:28 logistically the prison would be far easier to break out of if the blackout zone affected it too since it would make communication between guards extremely difficult so the simplest presumption is just that it doesn't affect the inside of the prison
The problem with that and what OV decided to do (unless the ones conducting the evacuation and relocation of Incarcecon's prisoners weren't guards of course), is that, according to SOTO, there are no guards for Incarcecon or Warden or law enforcement for and in Incarcecon whatsoever.
Vilgax literally survives the big laser practically unharmed, I am pretty sure he didn't need to run from their small pistols, probably won't even feel them.
God, I think that when Ben recreated the universe he make everyone with less braincells.
3:00 I mean, the pop-up trivia even hinted Vilgax will continue causing mayhem for 300 years after the "Ben 10,000" episode until the 15th generation of Omnitrix Heroes decided to do everyone a favor and unalive him once and for all, without any means of resurrection.
16:47 Tennyson Rizz at 100%! 😂😂
Wait huhhhh? First time I’ve heard that, it sounds kinda crazy 😭 Makes Vilgax more of a Reverse Flash / William Afton type, just can’t get rid of him
@@six5809 Yeah. Right now, that info was deleted but I have been repeatedly checking on Pop-up Trivia so I did saw that info.
Pop-up Trivia is questionably canon but non canon at the same time. It's depending your perspective but what's true is that there are generations of Bearers, as that was Vilgax 3000's goal: Kill Ben 10,000 to end his generations of Heroes and Vilgax will win.
And the Omnitrix outlived Ben so yeah, there are generations of Heroes.
He will actually die 200 years after the events of "Ben 10,000" in the OS, not 300 years.
@@FMK03 Oh, thank you!
@@joel1245 Wait was the 15 generation of Omnitrix heroes actually a thing in the pop up trivia?
30:40 😂 I'm dying rn peak humor Rob
Thats stupidly beautifull
After Ben asked Attea about the princess thing, she said "I am a princess", to me that's a hidden joke because Tara Strong voiced another princess, Twilight Sparkle from My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic.
I never know Tara Strong voiced Attea too, this girl is in everything
@@gochogames1360 she first voiced attea in Ben 10 alien force.
lol
She also voiced the princess in symbiotic titan
@@lonemotheo1964 that's right.
To me Vilgax only got worse as the time went on. In Classic he was a scary threat. In UAF despite his supposed new powers he was not as big of a physical threat to Ben. And im Omniverse he is practically NO physical threat to Ben at all. To counter balance this they made him more cunning but i think that has its limits. Omniverse Vilgax only manages things if he has plot convenient bullshit like the time bomb or Malware armor, otherwise he gets his ass kicked in a flash.
Ironically the Reboot fixes him.
@@SecretMagician Barely
@@SecretMagician Well that's with a way weaker Ben.
@@SecretMagician Yeah ironically the reboot has possibly one of the best takes.
Maybe Ben took more than just his Dagon powers when he stabbed him with Ascalon
20:05 he kinda have a point, if he didn't attack Xylene in the start she would have landed on earth and delivered the Omnitrix to Max
UAF retcons that the omnitrix was made for max so he was gonna get close to it anyway
@@arifm.5635 Nah i mean in classic xylene mentions that she was sending the omnitrix to max. I clearly remember ben being upset by this revelation and Gwen trying to cheer him up in that very episode. So its not a uaf retcon.
Why do i imagine Kevin screaming "Then Kill Him!" at Ben whenever Kuro yelled it in the breakdown.
Seeing alien warlord, conqueror of worlds, master of the Omnitrix, and just general badass Vilgax cowering behind a wall from fucking Six-six who he could and has beat into oblivion is just wild
Him being shoved into the whole eon arc showed they had absolutely no vision for his character this show.
For real
True, though I wonder what other arcs they could have for his character. If anything, they’d probably have to have him kill off a major character (Azmuth?)
Considering that they dedicated arcs to older villains like the Incurseans and Albedo, idk why they didn't do one for Vilgax. I mean I kinda get it, he got 3 separate arcs in the previous 3 shows, but if you were gonna bring him back, give him some gravitas! I actually quite like when he shows up later in OV, so imo they shoulda gone all in with his return
@@NeonWafflez707
Okay hear me out: Rook.
You spend the entire show getting to know him and he eventually becomes equal to Max, Gwen and Kevin when it comes to importance and likability.
Then have him die to Vilgax in either one of the later seasons or just straight up the finale. It'll cement Vilgax as a true villain even after all this time.
@@Couch_Banana okay, hear ME out: Ester.
Ben is finally happy in another relationship. She’s an amazing character and their chemistry is great. She gets more episodes and screen time, and the character gets on well with the rest of the squad.
But then Ben’s greatest enemy, Vilgax, takes his happiness away from him and kills Ester. Typical trope of villain killing the main character’s love interest. But it would be a better way to keep Kai and Ben in the future and not Ester - instead of the writers just forcing them to break up, she dies and Ben ends up with someone else - Kai. It keeps the timeline they want but adds more gravity to the Ben/Ester relationship.
12:50 Oh my God, that is so true, I never thought of that. Ben wanted to kill Kevin but not Vilgax? It's like Ryan George is speaking to me
Ben probablemente si quería hacerlo pero sabía que eso solo sería más perjudicial que bueno eso solo iniciaría una guerra
@@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511The episode should have established that.
I think, vilgax is an important figure for his part of the system. Just his capture and the frogs invaded his planet. His death might have caused an intergalactic war or a civil war among his captured planets. The plumbers have a leverage keeping him alive
Kuro basically summed up most of my problems with OV Vilgax, so instead of repeating his words, I’ll do what I love doing with Vilgax most and compare him to 2003 TMNT Shredder, because I find them alike in many aspects.
Classic Vilgax ≈ Utrom Shredder S1-S3 - a cold, heartless and powerful dictator with a set goal in mind, who’s a nightmare to deal with. Peak.
UAF Vilgax ≈ Utrom Shredder from Turtles Forever - Inconsistent from before in attitude and goal, but still a threatening presence.
Omniverse Vilgax ≈ Cyber Shredder - Supposedly the same character as the original, but actually just poorly written and washed up.
Reboot Vilgax ≈ Tengu Shredder - A completely separate character, who’s just as menacing as the original, but has more of a personality and is more expressive.
Idk if that made sense to others, but TL;DR
OV Vilgax sucks and is incomparably the worst iteration of the character.
A good analysis, but I don't know, I feel you're being too nice by comparing OV Vilgax to Cyber Shredder. Sure, Cyber Shredder sucked, but at least the Turtles still saw him as a threat and he still got to kick ass somewhat. OV Vilgax is just a joke unless he gets a special equipment
@@Theokal3 Maybe I was a little. I definitely like Cyber Shredder better than Omniverse Vilgax, but they’re both undoubtedly the worst versions of each other. Guess the Shredders are just a bit more consistent in quality than the Vilgaxes, lol.
To be fair, Cyber Shredder only had one season AND was more focused on getting real
A better example for Cyber Shredder would be 80s Shredder in Turtles Forever
In defense of Ben not killing Vilgax but being willing to kill Kevin, I think you’re missing a major point, Vilgax was captured and in custody.
That is a lot different from Kevin, who was a monster that they couldn’t capture. No one cared when they thought Vilgax died at the end of AF, so it’s not like they value his life; they just recognize they are supposed to follow due process for someone in custody.
I think if you look at it from that perspective, Ben comes out of this episode looking really cool. He’s in total control, and while he doesn’t really care if Vilgax dies, he’s going to follow his job to the best of his ability, which means protecting prisoners
12:54 That's exactly what I thought. The Ghost Freak A.F. episode started with Vilgax flying through space, the A.F. finale explosion weakened him but didn't kill him, here he could probably escape before this ship blew up, if it did.
Yeah but that was with stolen superpowers. Remember, he lost all if those at the end of UA. He can't fly or breathe in space anymore.
Honestly, to make Vilgax have his OS reputation back, they could have done this kind of scenario. Instead of regular cuffs, Vilgax should have been wearing a specific type of straightjacket made specifically for him and it can only be removed by a remote and instead of letting him walk around he should be transported around strapped even more by a hover device. Like the once used on insane criminals.
The final battle where Vilgax blocked the Techadon dissipator, the scene should be that the dissipator hit a machine that triggers a massive explosion where everyone is able to escape but Vilgax was left behind, everyone looks at the fiery rubble and Attea smirks thinking she killed Vilgax but Ben however knows better and watches as they hear machines and rubble moved and breaking and they hear a laugh as Vilgax was able to free himself using the explosion to weaken his straightjacket and bindings. There he absolutely mops the floor with everyone except for Ben and we get to see Ben and Vilgax go at it like animals.
A cool scene would be Ben as Humongousaur growing and increasing his scales and spikes while Vilgax using his steroid boosters to bulk up before both rushing into each other for an all out brawl.
Dude, that would've been absolutely sick. Vilgax would've had his old street cred back.
The mystery element That made classic good is what made vilagx good and it lined perfectly with his introduction, powers and intelligence
For me UAF made him into a generic powerhouse an took away the best elements of his character
And in OV there's nothing left
I think what made the difference was presentation. If you pay close attention, AUF Vilgax has a better track record of victories and feats than OS Vilgax, who just kept doing the same routine of returning to face Ben only to be either trapped, left to blow up, or beaten. But OS Vilgax spent half a season of built up kept in the shadow on life support, and when he *did* show up, he easily shrugged off Ben's attacks before throwing him across multiple buildings - not to mention *Max* of all people was shown scared to see him. Then in his following appearances he was seen beating up Kevin, tamed the Null Guardians through sheer dominance, and intimidated Sixsix into obeying. Little details like this really gave a him an intimidating presence and a feeling of strength, that none of the sequels managed to capture quite as well.
Ben: "Comedy's not really big on your planet is it?"
Vilgax: "My race were bred and born to be warriors, the most ruthless and dangerous army, prepared to battle anything standing in our way. We do not have time for your pointless antics... Tennyson."
Change it up however you like, I feel like Classic Vilgax would've said something along these lines
One thing I will say I like about this episode is that Ben was very serious about this. Like he so done with Vilgax it feels like a bit of UAF Ben and I like that.
I don't know, felt inconsistant to me. One moment he's yawning at Vilgax's threat, the next he treats him dead serious. One moment he cracks jokes and frees him, the other he has a serious discussion about never killing him.
25:47 you got it. Vilgax was the imposter.
Now throw him out into space!
Again
Green Vented.
@@FadedCurse5600 Then vote Green off
I think you're missing the point of why the Plumbers are hesitant to let the Incursions kill Vilgax. To them, he's a dangerous galactic tyrant. But in the eyes of his people on Vilgaxia, he's a hero. The logic here is if he were to die, then the rest of his people would be demoralised enough that the Incursions would be able to conquer their planet. That's how I read into it at least.
Or that the plumbers would rather not make an enemy of an entire civilization.
True, the comparison with kevin wasn't very good. Kevin was a deranged psycho killing people. Vilgax was a dictator, which is arguable more damaging to the universr, yeah, but it also makes him a political figure. Ben can't just kill him.
It's like you shooting hitl** vs. shooting Ted bundy. Both aren't good people, but only the death of one of them would involve wide nations interference and politics.
Vilgrax goes on to destroy infinite timelines and universes 😭 Vilgrax inslaved 5 planets in AF S3, etc. Vilgrax is a bigger threat then a civilization
@@legendarylancers7446Dr. Doom has done far worse and, most of the time, the people of Latveria still love him.
@@SecretMagician okay?
Remember when Vilgax was terrified of Ma Vreedle
I remember😔
The amount of disrespect I saw from that single episode and since is enormous!!!!
Kevin in UAF fought Vilgax and Aggregor. But still feared Ma Vreedle more than both of them.
And do you guys remember when he caught a cold at the end of the Secret of Chromaston episode?
@@itsmenobody3837I find it quite funny
@@pogggaming4470 sure, its always funny when UAF did it, but when OV did similar thing its disrespectful
11:11 every time the Ben 10 fandom sees Vilgax in omniverse
Well, at least as Malgax he was kinda cool 😅
I bet Steve Blum was happy to voice Vilgax again.
I bet he wasn't happy reading the script.
@@SBroproductions you may have a point there, but we don't know that from his perspective.
Vilgax hasnt been the same after get stab by the sword
Ikr.
You stabbed me!
31:00 Gotta be honest. I died laughing 😂😂
Vilgax's design kinda gave me that feeling of "Oh. oh no they're gonna underutilize him." Like you can cut him from the Omniverse series and still enjoy the rest.
Breakdowns are back baby! And so is kuro. Welcome back, buddy!
22:38 I think it could've maybe worked if he said something like "You may have the Omnitrix, but do you really think you can beat an entire ARMADA of war like tribe? You need me and my people Tennison, without me and my people, you'll never manage to stop Incursions Armada." Obviously make it sounds like Classic Vilgax cuz I'm bad at writing but ya get my point. Vilgax could've easily made a decent point to team up with him but he didn't sadly 😢
3:28 😂😂😂😂 I love how you made that reference to what war machine did in Avengers endgame.
Same
First that's horrible
Second that's the hard level
@@blueraccoon1088 imagine this scenario.
Rook: what if we went back in time, find baby vilgax, and then, (does the strangling with rope jester)
Ben: first of all, that's horrible.
Rook: it's vilgax.
@christianparrish3292 idk I feel like Ben would be Rhodie in that scenario lol
@@anispidey maybe.
Steve Blume voices Vilgax differently in omniverse
It sounds like rather than voicing classic Vilgax, Steve is voicing transformers prime starscream in a lower tone
Ironically enough I had just re-watched this episode recently and my first thought was "I wonder when Kuro will cover this episode" and everything I predicted you would say has now come to pass.
Just a thought, but I think if it was a legitimate storyline in OV that Vilgax became aware of his exponential mediocrity and the plumbers and Ben treating him like less than a threat, it would actually be a dope way to fuel Vilgax’s plan to wipe out every Ben in the multiverse. You wouldn’t have to change any plots of this episode, just polish up the character interactions and throw in a line to point it in the right direction, then allude more to this pettiness in “And Then There Were None.”
Good to see that you're back
30:36 to 31:43 you had me in this scene bro lmao
I hope you'll release full Montage of all Vilgax and Ben Tennison moments, especially with the song you used at 30:40, it was so wholesome 🥺
That sacrifice montague got me LMAO so hard 😂
damn I didn’t know Kuro would fucking ROAST the hell out of this episode, like I genuinely thought this was a pretty entertaining episode.
That made him Mad and because the way he are talking about the comments he made about UAF we can almost have certanly someone are used his thoughts about latter UAF episodes to make fun or make hate about the fandom of UAF!
Probably that is the reason of him be soo savage! Or he simply hate Ominiverse Gax! XD
24:24 WHO WROTE THIS EPISODE?! They had Rook say "Lower your weapons or you will shoot Hobble!" Then proceeded to have him whip out his proto-tool, shoot a wire that _randomly ignores physics and curves by itself_ and latches onto 77's leg, the whole process taking about _five whole seconds,_ and 77 just does NOTHING?!
31:51 - “I don’t know what came over me.” We all know the answer: The power of bad writing.
They should’ve killed of Original Series Vilgax in Secretbof the Omnitrix and make the future iterations his somewhat threatening but immature son.
It's crazy to think that after this Vilgax, canonically, spends the next 4 years time travelling and dimension hopping with Eon. And we don't see him again until ATTWN.
Vilgax taking cover from the gunfire is epsecially odd considering in the original series the plumbers needed to develope a special weapon that was keyed into Vilgax's bio-signature to defeat him the first time.
20:03 I mean Xylene was transporting the Omnitrix like she said in the visitor but had to drop it off to Max since she was getting attacked BY VILGAX like she said in the visitor also so it is technically Vilgax’s fault that Ben accidentally got the Omnitrix (Until they reveal why Ben got it instead of Max, and tbh I find that scene stupid)
Kuro: Insert Among Us joke.
Me: Vilgax was acting pretty SUS in this episode 😂
That vilgax montage reminded me of the end credits in Megas XLR where Coop and Gorrath had some nice goodguy/badguy wholesome moments😂
It's cool that here in Brazil the episode is actually named "Vilgax tem que MORRER" (Vilgax must DIE) instead of some pun related to frogs
Also, we never changed VA's for Vilgax here, it was always the same up until the Reboot pretty sure, and even then it was just for some episodes and I'm happy with that cuz Ricardo Telles does an amazing job voicing him.
Also I think Vilgax in Omnivores significantly became weaker as a side affect of having Dagon's powers turn from him, it could have taken I toll on his body making him not as powerful as he use to be, perhaps damaging his own DNA another reason to have the Omnitrix
Would make sense, except in and there was none/Ben 2 parter, it's revealed he's okay killing off All Ben's which at that point most if not all are so ingrained with their omnitrix's that it erases them as well except for Prime and No watch because it being no watches universe.
26:19 (wheeze laugh) you never fail to make me laugh or chuckle. Keep it up.
30:36
This part should honestly be its own video, it's too good.
33:51
Eighteight is the She-Hulk of Sotoraggians.
STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!
30:37 That was the most beautiful tribute to Vilgax and Ben. I'm crying 🥲
16:33 you can see her eyes flicker between yellow and white here
I noticed that too
I 20:33 I always saw it as vilgax as honestly just being comfortable around Ben like he doesn’t need to do the whole warlord thing like he could just be genuine guy with him like it’s sort of his way of showing that, even though he won’t say it, he respect him
An honest comparison that I would make is how Frieza is with Goku like compare Dragon Ball Z to Dragon Ball super frieza's way with Goku is much different between the two franchises because begrudgingly he's grown to respect Goku he still hates his guts don't get me wrong but you can tell there's a respect between them and that's how I see it with Ben and Vilgax
Why they gotta nerf Ben and vilgax like this.
For real!! It is the reason l mostly dislike Omniverse...
The worst thing that happened to Vilgax as he went through all these series was the progressive loss of his surprisingly feminine waist and hips. I mean pre-cyborg classic Vilgax had an amazing figure, it's so sad that he slowly lost it. Poor guy.
3:18 This could be me looking into it. But you see Rook’s smoothie straw isn’t bent but Ben’s is.
I wonder if that’s to indicate Ben never picked up his smoothie, instead lowering his head to drink it.
But Rook actually picks it up and holds it to his mouth to drink.
Maybe I’m just looking into it too hard but it’s such a specific detail
That comment about how ben will kill Kevin if he goes slightly bad but won't kill Vilgax even though he's done all this bad stuff reminds me of batman and his contingency plans for the justice league if they go bad but won't kill the joker
So they're both idiots.
26:43 Ben did not run he flew
That musical montage for Vilgax was hilarious, Kuro. Absolute gold.
It was cool seeing vilgax again as well as six six. But one thing I noticed while watching this is that the ships leaving at the start of the episode are the same ship designs that are in ‘secret of the omnitrix’ when ben controls one in the movie. Either way I agree this so was not very good for vilgax, good video, can’t wait for and beyond and keep it up ink tank.
12:50 that sound filter had me rolling 😂
Good to see Cannonbolt take off the Veneers every once in a while
20:11 this scene was funny as hell wdym 💀💀
“So you ran?” 🤣🤣🤣😂😂
1:36 For Tiffen name - "Marshi". I have driven the name from marshmallow because it looks cute and soft like a marshmallow and I think his/her(i don't know the gender) mother will keep a name like this as in alien force she is shown to be a affectionate mother.
26:28 this scene is awesome because it’s only been a few episodes since breakout, where the entire storyline was that Ben can’t do hand to hand or reflex.