Everything Wrong With Unbreakable In 12 Minutes Or Less

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  • Опубликовано: 26 дек 2024

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  • @MrE_
    @MrE_ 6 лет назад +2177

    10:39 "Can we get a damn Unbreakable 2 already?"
    Little did he know, 2 years after he makes this video... *GLASS*

    • @tpagne6876
      @tpagne6876 6 лет назад +38

      Kevin I saw the trailer and booked it to cinema sons

    • @Narddog3213
      @Narddog3213 6 лет назад +10

      Yessssss

    • @adara9l
      @adara9l 6 лет назад +46

      Well I mean..split too

    • @tylermarnin6852
      @tylermarnin6852 6 лет назад +1

      Gnc

    • @finchy015
      @finchy015 6 лет назад +5

      Just come here from the glass trailer!

  • @peterbenson2185
    @peterbenson2185 6 лет назад +912

    The scene with the gun ACTUALLY HAPPENED to George Reeves. He played the original t.v. Superman.
    From IMDB trivia page:
    He was cautious in his interaction with the young children who were fans of Adventures of Superman (1952) because they often tried to test his "invulnerability" by assaulting him.
    At one appearance a young boy came up to Reeves, pulled out a pistol and pointed it at him. The boy had taken the weapon, a Luger that his father had brought home from World War II, to see if "Superman" really was invulnerable.
    Reeves convinced the boy to give him the gun by saying that someone else would get hurt when the bullets bounced off of "Superman".
    Scary stuff.

    • @mrblacksmith33
      @mrblacksmith33 6 лет назад +56

      That's the same thing as that movie where Ben Affleck is dressed as superman and that kid points that gun at him.

    • @raymondwitter2468
      @raymondwitter2468 6 лет назад +25

      peter benson maybe where m night got the idea

    • @MrRolyat98
      @MrRolyat98 6 лет назад +44

      Jeez. And I thought it was ridiculous when people actually hate the actors who portray certain villains. (Michelle Williams and Lena Headey for instance).

    • @RamNaima
      @RamNaima 6 лет назад +18

      Jeez. Only in USA.

    • @VividBoricua
      @VividBoricua 6 лет назад +46

      @@MrRolyat98 Difference is most of the people who assaulted George Reeves were kids who didn't know any better. The people hating Michelle Williams and Lena Headey are adults who definitely should know better.

  • @reverendrico5631
    @reverendrico5631 6 лет назад +393

    The weight scene was actually significant as it established why there are other super powered people. Despite everyone wishing they had superpowers, we all know we are human and have human limits. When you try to lift something you know is too heavy, you aren’t surprised when you can’t.
    The weight scene basically showed him passing that limit unconsciously. At 270lbs he expected it to be nigh impossible, so he grunted and strained. But he still lifted. Then he adds weight, but isn’t watching how much, it’s easier because he is starting to understand. Then he maxes out and it’s near effortless by comparison.
    All the things he didn’t notice where his mind trying to tell him he is normal, when he isn’t.

    • @earnthis1
      @earnthis1 6 лет назад +9

      YAY! you figured it out

    • @pengli4108
      @pengli4108 6 лет назад +18

      This movie is just beyond most movie goers.
      You have to watch this movie a few times to really appreciate what is going on.
      The movie is ahead of its time.
      I for one really enjoy this movie.
      It kind of reminds me of how Christopher Nolan changed Batman.
      This movie was 8 years before The Dark Knight.

    • @bigevil1001
      @bigevil1001 5 лет назад +2

      Wow

    • @allenlavine1351
      @allenlavine1351 2 года назад +2

      I know it’s late but this is the best answer ever

    • @benp2398
      @benp2398 2 года назад +1

      CV bv

  • @cazicazi1940
    @cazicazi1940 8 лет назад +956

    1:10 Really, you have never seen a train with seats that face forwards and backwards? In fact I would say that it's much more rare to see a train that DOESNT do that.

  • @mani1672
    @mani1672 8 лет назад +1671

    Before I start watching this video...would want to say that this is one of the best superhero movies ever

    • @mani1672
      @mani1672 8 лет назад +1

      ***** I made it better now

    • @actionjackson3522
      @actionjackson3522 8 лет назад +61

      Agreed, but this was before M. Night went into his "I am Jesus the Director" phase and mucked up every film he touched. Especially TLA. I have not and will NEVER forgive him for ruining TLA.

    • @FiauraTheTankGirlGamer
      @FiauraTheTankGirlGamer 8 лет назад +1

      Agreed sir!

    • @jodhod1498
      @jodhod1498 8 лет назад +1

      +Jalon M. Gordon what does tla stand for?is it the one where it turns out that guy is a ghost?

    • @Isnogood12
      @Isnogood12 8 лет назад +39

      The Last Airbender.
      Do not watch The Last Airbender. Go re-watch Unbreakable and Sixth Sense and remember how good Shamalamamalaman was.

  • @philb707
    @philb707 6 лет назад +211

    "First name Mr.....last name Glass"

    • @philb707
      @philb707 6 лет назад +1

      Bilal Khalid 😂😂😂 I love it!

  • @Bigjacksauce
    @Bigjacksauce 8 лет назад +386

    you would be surprised what people reveal In bars after a few drinks

    • @rageknightsmith2067
      @rageknightsmith2067 4 года назад +12

      My boss tells me during my first interview, that I'm basically a therapist, that knows how to make a drink.

    • @zurgnut
      @zurgnut 4 года назад +1

      Exactly, the content creator needs to get out more...

    • @rageknightsmith2067
      @rageknightsmith2067 4 года назад

      @@zurgnut The dude hates camping, as much as most people should hate Hitler. He needs to get A LOT more.

    • @azanathwhateley7235
      @azanathwhateley7235 4 года назад

      I told you that in confidence

    • @OmegaNovaB
      @OmegaNovaB 4 года назад

      U don’t say, tell me more

  • @ChesterRico
    @ChesterRico 8 лет назад +308

    Babies can and will move their arms and legs even if they're broken. /gnarly mode off

    • @SuperSquishface
      @SuperSquishface 8 лет назад +129

      yeah, every time I snap an infants limbs it just keeps wriggling around.

    • @jareththegoblinking3191
      @jareththegoblinking3191 7 лет назад

      The Joker I bet u don't do that to your own kids, Harley wouldn't allow it

    • @dylancross1039
      @dylancross1039 6 лет назад +16

      Rufio A sin for you thinking Joker and Harley are a couple

  • @TheAmericanPrometheus
    @TheAmericanPrometheus 8 лет назад +457

    6:39
    A child being abused by his mother...
    ...so does that mean the child is actually Kevin Wendell Crumb from 15 years ago?

    • @roguishpaladin
      @roguishpaladin 8 лет назад +67

      Chitturi Abhinav I think the mother looks different, which is unfortunate - that would be a nice tie-in (that would later get sinned for being way too convenient).

    • @darrintriplett5126
      @darrintriplett5126 7 лет назад +9

      roguishpaladin It actually is his mother.

    • @anarchitron8332
      @anarchitron8332 6 лет назад +37

      No. You see a brief flashback of his mother in Split and she looks nothing like the woman in this movie at all. Also M. Knight actually planned to put Kevin in the movie but cut him out last minute so that he could balance the main story (totally the right decision)

    • @JAMAICAN876
      @JAMAICAN876 6 лет назад +19

      17 AC if M Night kept the same woman from that little vision it would be a hell of a deep cut Easter egg

    • @Kyran1996
      @Kyran1996 6 лет назад +19

      There is a newspaper article on Mr. Glass's wall that mentions a newborn surviving a train crash, I think, which I believe is a reference to Kevin.

  • @xerxes333
    @xerxes333 7 лет назад +300

    1:10 Legitimate question, have you ever been on a train before?

  • @julianwelton
    @julianwelton 8 лет назад +33

    I love the ending of Unbreakable. The realization, the score, the "they called me Mr Glass" line, and the part where it tells you what happened. One of the few movie scenes that ever gave me chills.
    So I disagree with the extra five sins is what I'm trying to say.

  • @marshmallowok
    @marshmallowok 8 лет назад +1009

    Going through life without realizing you've never been sick doesn't strike me as an unusual reaction, it would be their normal experience. People go through life without knowing they have aphantasia.

    • @deathsythelui
      @deathsythelui 8 лет назад +96

      Perhaps, but I _was_ one who never got sick from age 8 or so until just a few years ago after having kids, so nearly 20 years.
      20-odd years without anything more severe than allergies or mild food poisoning.
      And trust me, I knew it. Hell, I was _proud_ of it; I'd brag about my "immune system of a god" whenever the subject of taking a sick-day came up.
      I was _genuinely_ shocked and outraged when I got a my first proper three-day, shit-your-pants-can't-keep-ANYTHING-AT-ALL-down flu about four years ago, and I've had one major illness like clockwork every year since.
      Still pisses me off that I can get sick now... It's almost humiliating to me.

    • @ussocomfreak
      @ussocomfreak 7 лет назад +44

      marshmallowok No way. My sister was like that. She hadn't been sick for first 13 years of her life and believe me she bragged about it. It's what kids do.

    • @calebm3465
      @calebm3465 7 лет назад +43

      Aphantasia and not being sick are two vastly different things that shouldn't be compared. Nobody knows what aphantasia is

    • @HelloTardis
      @HelloTardis 7 лет назад +71

      Caleb Manquera It's a Disney movie

    • @klonvomhaus
      @klonvomhaus 7 лет назад +4

      @L.D. Johnson same here. I never got sick until recently, where I was diagnosed with two permanent deseases or disorders or whatever you call that in english. Now my immune system is a lot weaker.
      I still don't really get sick, like ever, but the sickness lingers inside my body for WEEKS slowing me down. It's annoying as hell.

  • @bones22j
    @bones22j 8 лет назад +515

    I love it when I get the jokes at the end of your videos.

  • @erintoney7137
    @erintoney7137 4 года назад +25

    The scene where David finds out everything Elijah did is amazingly creepy.

  • @PictureProductStudio
    @PictureProductStudio 8 лет назад +11

    The reason I can easily put a like on this video is the fact that CinemaSins had actually acknowledged numerous times that this is a good movie. Also, it is entirely possible to forget how many times you were sick. I've recently remembered not being sick for at least five months before getting sick a little bit today.

  • @derrickbrinson6965
    @derrickbrinson6965 6 лет назад +43

    I clapped when Glass said comics are art. Alone. In my room. I still feel good about it.

  • @legoinsomniac
    @legoinsomniac 8 лет назад +323

    M Night is a good director. I said it. He has a knack for good framing, interesting visuals and storytelling through cinematography. Problem is, he can't write for shit and apparently no one ever told him this. If he wasn't so insistent on all his movies being "written and directed by M. Night Shamalan" then maybe his name wouldn't mean what it does today.

    • @actionjackson3522
      @actionjackson3522 8 лет назад +56

      M. Night's directorial prowess isn't the issue; neither is his writing. It's his ego. Early in his career, there were still producers in Hollywood who would intervene (even after his Academy nominations for Sixth) and suggest things that were overreaching. However, by The Village, he was successful enough that producers were backing off guiding him. So he got to do Lady in the Water, since The Village was a profitable movie. That's when we first saw he was off his rocker: He wrote himself as the writer whose talent would shape a future president.

    • @LakierosJordy
      @LakierosJordy 8 лет назад +54

      Same shit that happened to Lucas, in a nutshell. Ego meant they were left alone and they showed their true colours.

    • @actionjackson3522
      @actionjackson3522 8 лет назад +9

      ***** Exactly. And while Disney bought LucasFilm, saving the Star Wars franchise from future tainting, Shymalan has embarrassing one note films.

    • @Bobimk
      @Bobimk 8 лет назад +35

      Disney is saving Star Wars? hahahaha

    • @Gemnist98
      @Gemnist98 8 лет назад +3

      More like Star Wars is saving Disney - but only with help from Marvel two-three times a year. Also, Shyamalan is showing signs of improvement actually; The Visit was better than any of his other movies since The Visit (even if it was just okay), and Wayward Pines could compete with THIS movie. Here's hoping Split can bring him back into the forefront - though to be honest, nothing will ever beat The Sixth Sense.

  • @AHersheyHere
    @AHersheyHere 7 лет назад +70

    "This comic book is upside down....yadda yadda yadda. +1 sin"
    That comic book may have been upside down like a reversed tarot card, so instead of it inspiring the kid to be a hero, he becomes a villain but, hey sinners gotta sin.

  • @ShawnsterVideos
    @ShawnsterVideos 8 лет назад +17

    10:55 Elijah's suit is not blue, it's violet. He's at the far "end of the spectrum" like he said at the beginning; as we saw one character wearing each color of the rainbow do an action/sequence until this point: ROYGBIV.
    So, who was red? Yup. David Dunn was wearing red.
    Fuckin great screenplay = remove 5 sins.

  • @IceveinsProductions
    @IceveinsProductions 7 лет назад +73

    You can find 500 things "wrong" with this movie and I will still think it is one of the most brilliant films ever made.

    • @Wyatt_Riley
      @Wyatt_Riley Год назад +2

      Why? I legitimately don't understand. Just watched it last night and thought it was easily one of the worst "superhero" movies ever made

    • @thedoctor5167
      @thedoctor5167 7 месяцев назад

      @@Wyatt_Riley thank god someone thinks the same. Ending is great and it has some great scenes but other than that is just fkn boring, nowhere near sixth sense

  • @TheGoldenDunsparce
    @TheGoldenDunsparce 8 лет назад +438

    Unbreakable does have a sequel, but it's not called Unbreakable 2. PLOT TWIST!!

    • @billyspaz9705
      @billyspaz9705 8 лет назад +9

      TheGoldenDunsparce no it doesn't? If you are referring to split, that is a prequel and didn't have a continuation of the plot

    • @roguishpaladin
      @roguishpaladin 8 лет назад +46

      Billy Spaz What? Your argument about it not being a sequel is solid, though personally I disagree because several themes from the first movie carry into the second. It's DEFINITELY not a prequel, though.

    • @billyspaz9705
      @billyspaz9705 8 лет назад +2

      roguishpaladin I see your point, Mcavoys character was originally going to be in the original "unbreakable" movie but wasn't. I just assumed, in practice this is a prequel. Either way I don't see it as a sequel, but something leading up to it.

    • @FrancisXLord
      @FrancisXLord 7 лет назад +2

      It'll be his next film. You think Universal aren't going to finance a Split/Unbreakable crossover? Come on. Shyamalan is simply jumping on the franchise bandwagon because they're the only films selling at the moment.

    • @digtard609
      @digtard609 7 лет назад +21

      Billy Spaz No it definitely takes place after unbreakable because in the ending of Split, they mention how they ARRESTED Mr. Glass, the villain in unbreakable.

  • @dmbjunky
    @dmbjunky 8 лет назад +7

    I love how this video laments the turn M Night's career has taken. I also remember the promise of his early movies and thought he was destined for great things to come. His first 3 movies ranged from good to great. I would say that Signs was still good but it felt like a step back from his previous work and hinted at what the next decade would be like for him. I'm just not sure what happened because he obviously has talent behind the camera.

  • @queenfan45
    @queenfan45 8 лет назад +129

    10:42 About that Unbreakable sequel...

    • @letsplayFan666
      @letsplayFan666 7 лет назад +3

      Kyle Mikesell hope he makes a video about it

    • @queenfan45
      @queenfan45 7 лет назад +4

      I imagine he will. And take away MANY sins complaining about how The Beast seems to show up with no real set up.

  • @thenipplesofgod1854
    @thenipplesofgod1854 8 лет назад +112

    Mr Glass and The Beast v David Dunn!......its coming!

    • @HABO2210
      @HABO2210 7 лет назад

      Sam Jackson got extremely cocky after getting hired in Marvel universe. His salary alone would cost the same as Split's budget

    • @HABO2210
      @HABO2210 7 лет назад +6

      I stand corrected - he will be in the upcoming sequel. Wow!

    • @jareththegoblinking3191
      @jareththegoblinking3191 7 лет назад +2

      What if Mr Glass gets blood from The Beast, would that cure his vulnerability?

  • @ZergrushEddie
    @ZergrushEddie 8 лет назад +75

    4:00Elijah's plan was to add meaning to his life. By being so physically weak, he could never have a 'life', at least in the way that the comic book hero could. By finding 'Mr. Unbreakable' the Hero, Elijah found his calling: 'Mr. Glass', the archvillain. As Tony Montoya and Jesse Pinkman said it: "I'm the bad guy."

    • @Brastius
      @Brastius 8 лет назад +23

      "It means that I am not the Samaritan. That I'm not the priest, or the Levite. That I am the ill intent who set upon the traveler on a road that he should not have been on. " ~ Wilson Fisk

    • @selos187
      @selos187 7 лет назад +1

      Who TF is Tony Montoya?

    • @dumbnutz5145
      @dumbnutz5145 6 лет назад

      lol

    • @alexsilva28
      @alexsilva28 6 лет назад

      Brastius oh that's a good fucking quote. Love DD

  • @bleedrainbows9522
    @bleedrainbows9522 8 лет назад +359

    The rapist goes free? Wow! This movies is just like real life!

    • @Zcumgod
      @Zcumgod 8 лет назад +53

      pls stop

    • @SWCaptainREX
      @SWCaptainREX 8 лет назад +42

      gr8 b8 m8.

    • @connorknox9452
      @connorknox9452 8 лет назад +46

      Triggered

    • @Shiirow
      @Shiirow 8 лет назад +42

      Been watching too much bullshit news I see.

    • @Trainfan1055Janathan
      @Trainfan1055Janathan 8 лет назад +19

      +Shiirow Rapists do get convicted. Stop watching the news. They don't know what they're talking about.

  • @bubububnever
    @bubububnever 6 лет назад +58

    0:25 - That's not being dramatic, that's being mortified by the sight of a mangled baby.
    0:36 - You can still break a bone and move the limbs around.
    1:57 - That's... not impossible. It's not like getting sick is a normal thing for most people although it's common.
    2:20 - You're acting like she wasn't aware someone might take the present. That was her intention, to get her son out of the house.
    3:57 - You haven't seen the film. Elijah wants to find the "unbreakable" man so that he may live his life as a super villain like one of his comics, and David can be the hero and try to stop him. That is his role in life.
    6:04 - He went out of his way to find her.
    6:35 - That is a genuine sin, except the child in question was Kevin from Split.
    7:23 - Forgetting a traumatizing event from your past? It's called a suppressed memory.
    8:29 - He's having a genuine flashback of his past, not using his powers to see his own memory.

    • @callumjames84
      @callumjames84 6 лет назад

      Jesse Bond I don’t understand 3:57

    • @chimb9627
      @chimb9627 6 лет назад +1

      @@callumjames84 Elijah is plagued by his illness his entire life and feels he has no purpose. Hes not invincible nor does he display any psychic powers that hes aware of.
      So he comes to the conclusion that if hes not the super hero then he must be the villain. Now that he knows is purpose its up to him to discover who the hero of the story is.
      At the end he tells Bruce Willis that in the comics you know who the villain is because often enough, theyre the exact opposite of the hero. The opposite of Elijah (someone whos bones break with ease) would be someone who is indestructible. Thus his terroristic acts in the hopes of such a hero surfacing

    • @callumjames84
      @callumjames84 6 лет назад

      Lance Colt thank you

    • @callumjames84
      @callumjames84 6 лет назад

      Dum Cunt thank you

    • @foeloko
      @foeloko 6 лет назад

      Jesse Bond shut up

  • @purpletactics6969
    @purpletactics6969 8 лет назад +87

    no... theres nothing wrong with unbreakable.

    • @TheJoshening
      @TheJoshening 8 лет назад +7

      Agree

    • @Jenny010132
      @Jenny010132 8 лет назад +4

      The ending. It should have been two movies.

    • @actionjackson3522
      @actionjackson3522 8 лет назад +2

      M. Night doesn't do sequels. M. Night is above sequels. lol

    • @Trunks1stApprentice
      @Trunks1stApprentice 8 лет назад

      +Jalon M. Gordon Except for that Last Airbender sequel he's apparently doing.

    • @actionjackson3522
      @actionjackson3522 8 лет назад

      Trunks1stApprentice Do you mean The Legend of Korra? If so, that's not a sequel as the TV series didn't have Aang at all as the Avatar. I thought he had scrapped that idea anyway.

  • @UndeadSon
    @UndeadSon 8 лет назад +398

    I love this movie and I actually prefer it over The Sixth Sense. Man, what the hell happened to M. Night Shyamalan...

    • @sammypolanco8791
      @sammypolanco8791 8 лет назад +80

      He stoped casting Bruce willis in his movies?

    • @link8440
      @link8440 8 лет назад +29

      He startes getting high on his exsistense.

    • @DasKame
      @DasKame 8 лет назад +2

      The Visit was good again

    • @elliotcasson3027
      @elliotcasson3027 8 лет назад +9

      I didn't see any of his notoriously bad stuff (The Happening, After Earth etc.) but he seems to be doing quite well again. I think most people myself included enjoyed The Visit and now he's got another independent one coming out that he wrote and directed. I have high hopes.

    • @CokeDrkrNotSnrtr
      @CokeDrkrNotSnrtr 8 лет назад +16

      The Happening is definitely his funniest piece of work.

  • @kkagami4782
    @kkagami4782 8 лет назад +1289

    Anyone here after watching SPLIT?

    • @KingSWAGGER69
      @KingSWAGGER69 7 лет назад +18

      TheAbrasiveGamer123 yup ITS UNBREAKABLE 2 AND THE FACT IT IS A SUPER VILLAIN ORIGIN STORY IS JUST AWSOMEEEEEEEEE

    • @zanjkai
      @zanjkai 7 лет назад +21

      This fucker spoiled the movie....................GREAT!

    • @notatroll9667
      @notatroll9667 7 лет назад +19

      Zanji De Leon movies been out for like...3 months, if u haven't seen it by now,you obviously don't care

    • @owenk375
      @owenk375 6 лет назад

      yep

    • @Laurito69
      @Laurito69 6 лет назад +3

      Yeah but im in 2018 so hello from the future to the past

  • @mattschumacher4581
    @mattschumacher4581 8 лет назад +726

    Just saw Split. M NIGHT IS BACK

    • @basedchad926
      @basedchad926 8 лет назад +4

      Matt Schumacher so fuckin good

    • @theonlynenkendo5079
      @theonlynenkendo5079 8 лет назад +31

      To bad i can not forgive him for avatar the last air bender

    • @queenfan45
      @queenfan45 7 лет назад +91

      Shhhhh... Airbender never happened.

    • @jbvader721
      @jbvader721 7 лет назад +54

      Attention all moviegoers: This is NOT a drill!!! M. Night Shyamalan has made a good movie!

    • @ArcosOfBlack
      @ArcosOfBlack 7 лет назад +24

      I saw Split. it was okay. Nothing too amazing, but nothing horrible, the only thing I didn't like was how it was, to a certain degree, grounded in reality for the majority of the movie, until the last 10-20 minutes of the movie.

  • @arichard
    @arichard 6 лет назад +17

    Opens up questioning why the girl was facing them and they the two seats in front of him are empty. It was pretty obvious we were watching from the point of view of the little girl turned backwards in the seat😂

  • @robonthecob6920
    @robonthecob6920 8 лет назад +1341

    Who's here after seeing Split?

  • @Soul-ui3vf
    @Soul-ui3vf 8 лет назад +294

    Make a Deadpool one.

    • @jojonta2119
      @jojonta2119 8 лет назад +83

      "There is no movie without sin"
      -Cinema Sins

    • @johnbuggy3049
      @johnbuggy3049 8 лет назад +3

      once again tey said it's too self aware

    • @Soul-ui3vf
      @Soul-ui3vf 8 лет назад +6

      +Lyrion Tannister Fanboy Detected.

    • @cladoveus
      @cladoveus 8 лет назад +13

      except Trolls 2. Its literally Sinless.

    • @Theuploader365
      @Theuploader365 8 лет назад +4

      its too self aware of itself to be criticised as an actual movie

  • @glst1974
    @glst1974 8 лет назад +112

    Man, we should have had a sequel here. Man this was great stuff. Bruce and Samuel might never work together again so time to rent this and Die Hard 3 again.

    • @cooljhags7356
      @cooljhags7356 8 лет назад +15

      And Pulp Fiction

    • @SuperSquishface
      @SuperSquishface 8 лет назад +6

      Are they ever in the same scene with each other though?

    • @kevinducharme3988
      @kevinducharme3988 8 лет назад +2

      Once, in the bar, right after Bruce (Butch) is told to throw the fight. (remember, Vincent Vega calling him a Palooka?) IE in the "correct order of scenes" this is right after the whole incident at the diner (and the car scene), where Jules delivers the briefcase with Vince. They don't share any lines together, but are together in that brief shot before it focus's on Vince and Butch start wiener waggling at each other

    • @glst1974
      @glst1974 8 лет назад +2

      Kevin Ducharme Yes, for me, great actors should have scenes together. Look at Michael Mann's Heat, they made that diner scene happen just to have icon's DeNiro and Pacino together. One of my rare gripes toward Pulp Fiction.

    • @kevinducharme3988
      @kevinducharme3988 8 лет назад

      True but when heat was made Pacino and DeNiro we're basically at the top of their game. In 94 when Pulp Fiction came out Samuel L Jackson wasn't that big of a name and John Travolta I hadn't been famous in a long time. Basically the most famous person in Pulp Fiction was probably Bruce Willis in 94

  • @Grok_Fractal
    @Grok_Fractal 8 лет назад +34

    The reason the doc acts that way was because of the racism of the time period, he had to very careful with his accusations being a black man talking to white people. It is actually a great touch.

    • @Kaytoun
      @Kaytoun 2 года назад

      ​@milos blagojevic Elijah Price was born in 1961, at a time where racism was very much prevalent throughout the United States. The Civil Rights Act was not signed into law until 1964. Many schools were still segregated, despite the Supreme Court ruling segregation was unconstitutional 1954. That doctor was had every reason to be very careful with his words around the white people. If he said the wrong thing to the wrong person, at best he'd lose his job. At worse he could be jailed or even lynched, and his family could have been punished too if they were feeling particularly cruel.

  • @tash_views
    @tash_views 8 лет назад +120

    Cinemasins is growing on me so badly that it now decides whether or not I will watch a movie or not

    • @arx117
      @arx117 8 лет назад +14

      until he review your favourite movie......

    • @jacobmarsh6742
      @jacobmarsh6742 8 лет назад

      +Ryuzaki Raiga for me its music and he did i write sins... Close lol too close

    • @imaginationequalszero7556
      @imaginationequalszero7556 8 лет назад +9

      You realise he does these videos to movies he likes as well?

    • @orlandocruz1036
      @orlandocruz1036 8 лет назад +1

      don't based films on what others like

    • @android19willpwn
      @android19willpwn 8 лет назад +2

      +Orlando Cruz that's terrible advice. That being said, yeah basing your opinions of films on a series of videos devoted to pointing out everything bad about them probably isn't a good idea.

  • @claudes.whitacre1241
    @claudes.whitacre1241 6 лет назад +22

    I remember going to see this movie...not knowing that it was a super hero movie. Every second of the movie was in anticipation of the next second. Every scene is so understated. And for the 106 minute that the movie ran...I believed that it was all possible. Damn, but M. Night Shyamalan can sure tell a story. At about 7:25 into this video, you see a master class in acting. And the lady that's the school nurse has a voice that is haunting.

  • @THEremiXFACTOR
    @THEremiXFACTOR 6 лет назад +1

    There's an unintentionally funny moment 9:40
    When David goes into the bedroom where the mother is tied up (I think it's the mother) he puts his finger to his mouth and makes the 'shhh' gesture. But it's pretty obvious that she's already dead, or unconscious anyway.

  • @akap
    @akap 8 лет назад +57

    This is one of my favorite movies of all time, and my second favorite superhero movie.

  • @angrykermit3192
    @angrykermit3192 6 лет назад +6

    @1:07 Cinema Sins has obviously never been on a commuter train.

  • @RonWylie-gk5lc
    @RonWylie-gk5lc 6 лет назад +21

    I thought Unbreakable was a masterpiece

  • @Lundmunchkins2000TV
    @Lundmunchkins2000TV 8 лет назад +19

    To be honest I like the use of colored outfits to denote important characters, it reflects how Superheroes and villains wear bright colors in comic books (although that has changed in recent years).

  • @WiloPolis03
    @WiloPolis03 2 года назад +5

    *"Friends listen to each other, and they... they don't shoot each other. Don't they, Marie?"*
    That line is actual gold

  • @Paul_Wetor
    @Paul_Wetor 6 месяцев назад +1

    There's a deleted scene in the DVD extras that is very touching. That's why it was deleted - it was better than the entire movie.

  • @brandonb.5304
    @brandonb.5304 6 лет назад +8

    Ugh. Come on, man. Having a broken arm or leg doesn't mean you can't move those limbs at all. The bones don't do the moving--the muscles do.

  • @SaftonYT
    @SaftonYT 8 лет назад +4

    3:56
    It's not like the movie explains exactly what his intentions are or anything.
    5:47
    David doesn't have super strength in the conventional sense. He has the strength you'd associate with a fit adult male. However, since his muscles can't tear and he's presumably immune to the effects of lactic acid buildup and whatnot, he doesn't have the same limits standard human weightlifters do. As such, the scene is essentially depicting him learning to trust in his durability in order to overcome the mental blocks preventing him from unlocking and using the full extent of his strength, just like when his adrenaline rush allowed him to rip off the door to rescue Audrey during the car crash flashback.

  • @saddisman5762
    @saddisman5762 7 лет назад +1

    everytime I watch a movie I come here after to see if you have an episode on it ... I swear ... this is good shit

  • @TheDiabolocraft
    @TheDiabolocraft 8 лет назад +27

    List of suggestions :
    - Bad boys I or/and II
    - The green mile
    - 20MM (really .. well.. )
    - Abraham Lincoln : Vampire Hunter
    - Angels and Demons
    - White house down
    - Now you see me
    Here ya go, a few rather good but rather sinful movies.

    • @sugafreesiena6213
      @sugafreesiena6213 8 лет назад +1

      The green mile would be too difficult perhaps, I can't think of any sins off top especially for such a long movie

    • @sugafreesiena6213
      @sugafreesiena6213 8 лет назад +2

      Oh and bad boys 1 was sinned already

    • @TheDiabolocraft
      @TheDiabolocraft 8 лет назад

      SugaFree Siena seriously? LOOKING FOR IT

    • @TheDiabolocraft
      @TheDiabolocraft 8 лет назад

      SugaFree Siena Green mile had some weard thought behind it thought

    • @rwknighx
      @rwknighx 8 лет назад +1

      Actually, there is one for Now You See Me.

  • @TheRoboteer
    @TheRoboteer 8 лет назад +86

    Every time I hear someone pronounce "Twat" as "Twot" I die a little inside.

    • @cortster12
      @cortster12 8 лет назад +4

      Dude, it's the same word, just a different inflection of a.

    • @TheRoboteer
      @TheRoboteer 8 лет назад +25

      cortster12 Hence why I said "Pronounce" and not "Spell" Twat is pronounced exactly how it it spelt, with a hard A.

    • @tehjamerz
      @tehjamerz 8 лет назад +12

      Fuk u twaught

    • @mikkit876
      @mikkit876 8 лет назад +7

      +Thomas Jenkins exactly! Jesus people, your dialect isn't the best. not that ours is either. being uptight about how people say twat, makes you a that.

    • @cortster12
      @cortster12 8 лет назад +6

      TheRoboteer
      It's like you don't understand accents. I bet you get pissy at Southerners for saying everything even more "wrong" than usual. Or maybe the Scottish piss you off as well?

  • @j.b.booker7912
    @j.b.booker7912 7 лет назад +1

    the shot where david falls off the balcony and lands on the tarp was really good too how at first it looked like solid ground and he slowly gets wrapped up in it.

  • @DStrormer
    @DStrormer 8 лет назад +5

    This really is the best M Night ever got.

  • @waltermitty6971
    @waltermitty6971 7 лет назад +4

    I just want to points a few things out, sin 17 (where David walks out of the church and nobody is around), it is shown in a deleted scene that David talked to the priest (not Mel Gibson) for quite a while after the first church scene, so it makes sense that everyone left. The real sin here is, how did Elijah know that was David's car? The only way he could have known is if saw David get out of his car, but then wouldn't David have noticed a man wearing an all purple suit? I know David doesn't have the best memory (as the video above points out many times) but come on, you wouldn't forget that in a hurry and when was the last time you saw a man wearing an all purple suit (in real life), plus David saw Elijah only a couple of days after receiving that note, he must have made the connection, right? Second, that is not how you pronounce the word "twat". And finally, in sin 78 you said Elijah was wearing a blue suit. I know it looks a bit like blue, but it is purple, I say this because M. Night made sure that both Elijah and David had colour themes for them both, Elijah is purple and David is green, seriously go watch the movie again, it really sticks out after a while. Other than that, another great video. I love this film, but as this CinemaSins channel slogan is: "No movie is without sin". Thanks again for the video, and please do "Glass" when it is released on DVD and Blu-Ray. (I know Glass is still currently being filmed and it's over a year till it is in cinemas, but if you've done Unbreakable and Split, you need to complete the Eastrail 177 trilogy).

  • @easynow1337
    @easynow1337 3 года назад +2

    Crazy that it took 12 minutes to say 'nothing is wrong with it'

  • @codes5218
    @codes5218 8 лет назад +4

    I haven't finished this yet, but if this movie's sins aren't under 80, I'm gonna go ham.

    • @codes5218
      @codes5218 8 лет назад +28

      HAHAHAHAHA IT ALMOST MADE IT AND THEN..."5 SINS ADDED FOR THE ENDING" XD XD XD XD.....JEREMY IS TOO MUCH!!!

  • @sandking0077
    @sandking0077 7 лет назад +5

    we got that unbreakable 2 you were asking for.

  • @belleofbrightside97
    @belleofbrightside97 Год назад +1

    I can't believe you didn't sin the giant headline on the wall at the end that read "Mudslide in Mexico Kills All Expect Newborn".

  • @joelayoub2774
    @joelayoub2774 6 лет назад +18

    Don't care. Still one of my most favorite movies of all times.

    • @Butchass6969
      @Butchass6969 6 лет назад

      Joel Ayoub the suns don’t actually mean anything there about stupid shit

  • @briangalbraith1864
    @briangalbraith1864 6 лет назад +19

    Who else is here after the Glass trailer?

  • @mattj7283
    @mattj7283 6 лет назад

    10:42 I love the fact that the advertising for split was already shown to the masses when this video came out

  • @theflyingkaramazovbrothers6
    @theflyingkaramazovbrothers6 8 лет назад +5

    I asked for this one. THANKS.
    Love it. Love that you appreciate it

  • @thetostada1326
    @thetostada1326 8 лет назад +24

    So what was the plot twist, wasn't paying attention

    • @ComedyBros5
      @ComedyBros5 8 лет назад +123

      The twist was that the fragile, seemingly innocent comic-art dealer (Samuel Jackson) was orchestrating all the terrible 'accidents' in the movie, hoping to one day discover a real-life superhero like the ones in the comics he loved so much. The irony is that, looking for a hero he could admire, he made himself into a comic-book villain, and even had a villain's name cruel kids had given him: Mr. Glass.

    • @thetostada1326
      @thetostada1326 8 лет назад +15

      ***** Hmm interesting, thank you for explaining that

    • @ComedyBros5
      @ComedyBros5 8 лет назад +35

      The Tostada Yeah, this movie is legendary, and honestly, one of the greatest superhero movies to be made.

    • @ceomyr
      @ceomyr 8 лет назад +44

      The more you think about it, the more twisted the ending gets.
      Elijah says that now that he knows what David is, he knows what he himself is too, and that the kids somehow detected it too. After all, they called him Mr. Glass. He notes that villains are usually tied to the hero in some way they're often friends who went wrong and are opposites of the hero in some specific way.
      So now, after all of his doubts and depression, after all of his suffering in this life, Elijah knew his life had a meaning. He knew he was supposed to be a villain, he knew there was some sort of greater purpose that he was always meant to serve by hurting and destroying other people.
      So the twist is that Elijah wasn't trying to find a super hero for any noble purpose. Elijah was actually trying to confirm his calling in life, trying to find out if he was meant to do evil. He wanted to know that all of his suffering and perhaps some talent or inclination of his to harm others served a purpose. The horrifying thing was that it did, that was what he was apparently meant for, and now he could embrace it without any more self recrimination or doubt.

    • @montshooliyani4114
      @montshooliyani4114 8 лет назад +11

      Yeah...that. AND that he truly did NOT want to be evil. It's just the way it is now. After his long journey of searching. He started with a simple search that needed to become more complicated, by his own actions, in order to find what he'd always hoped to meet. However, in doing so, he unknowingly...at least past a certain level, became the evil. But now, he was close. Too close to cease action. He didn't want to be evil just as the hero didn't truly want to be a hero. Just the way things turned out.

  • @dirdib69
    @dirdib69 6 лет назад

    Elijah's expression at the end is a terrible mix of joy and despair - you can see the madness pouring out of him. Kudos to SJ. I didn't mind the ending at all, but I can forgive so much with that music playing.

  • @tbrennan100
    @tbrennan100 8 лет назад +24

    is there a reason they haven't done Deadpool yet?

    • @AnInternetUser1
      @AnInternetUser1 8 лет назад +23

      Yes. They say it's too self aware to sin.

    • @tbrennan100
      @tbrennan100 8 лет назад +1

      +Robo Cop when did they say that?

    • @ThisGuy7845
      @ThisGuy7845 8 лет назад

      It's a joke. I can't believe you didn't realized that.

    • @tbrennan100
      @tbrennan100 8 лет назад +1

      +ThisGuy7845 what's a joke

    • @ThisGuy7845
      @ThisGuy7845 8 лет назад

      terry brennan Robo cop's comment

  • @dianaoc4768
    @dianaoc4768 7 лет назад +14

    well... seems it DID get a sequel.....

  • @scarlofravelli8680
    @scarlofravelli8680 6 лет назад +1

    C'mon! At least 1 sin off with that end. No one expected that, and the way that everything happened til the end was amazing!

  • @kevinmedcalf4926
    @kevinmedcalf4926 6 лет назад +9

    After finishing this movie, I thought it was above average but forgettable and not that good.
    But I've been thinking about it, and this is a fucking awesome movie!

    • @pengli4108
      @pengli4108 6 лет назад

      I loved it the first time I seen it.
      However it gets better the more you re watch it.
      It grows on you doesn't it!?

  • @ACWells13
    @ACWells13 8 лет назад +21

    Don't trains in America have seats facing both ways? Yes, half the seats on most trains I've been on face backwards. Now I'm going to have to look up American trains. Damnit

    • @ACWells13
      @ACWells13 8 лет назад +2

      Probably because doing a 180 on a train track doesn't work so carriages could be pulled in either direction...

    • @BlumenCT
      @BlumenCT 8 лет назад +2

      no yeah the trains i've been on have them facing back and forth. why wouldn't they? trains change direction, after all.

    • @finaoo1167
      @finaoo1167 8 лет назад

      Most Amtrak on the Northeast Corridor trains do not, but there is one line that changes direction in Philadelphia, the Keystone, where the trains do.

    • @palemaster6000
      @palemaster6000 8 лет назад

      Train seats in America do face both ways. I think either the guy didn't know this or he just wanted to find something to complain about.

    • @SparkleyStar02
      @SparkleyStar02 8 лет назад

      There are only 2 trains I know. Amtrak, and the Rail Runner, both if which have seats facing both ways.

  • @grindorblackout1986
    @grindorblackout1986 7 лет назад +1

    I can explain the Hieroglyphs.
    He`s referencing Adrian Veidt, from Watchmen.
    Think about it. Rich guy in a purple suit from a non-traditional superhero fiction that seems like a good guy, but at the end turns out to have orchestrated a disaster and killed lots of people for what they believed to be a good cause?
    The ancient Egyptian decorations were just to try to make it a little less subtle.

  • @2dead2smile
    @2dead2smile 8 лет назад +16

    i haven't been sick in 11 years

    • @absolutebackfire191
      @absolutebackfire191 8 лет назад +25

      but you are sick in the head

    • @Edward-ul8bf
      @Edward-ul8bf 8 лет назад +10

      +Absolute Backfire OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH

    • @potato1341
      @potato1341 8 лет назад +1

      I go months without being sick. Like, 7. But when I do, it's awful ;-;

    • @radpunk5144
      @radpunk5144 8 лет назад +3

      +Absolute Backfire DAAAAMMMNN

    • @mego7389
      @mego7389 8 лет назад +1

      *You've been sick for 11 years

  • @Jebbtube
    @Jebbtube 8 лет назад +6

    I wonder what's the movie with the least sins, either with or without sins being removed.

    • @volcryndarkstar
      @volcryndarkstar 8 лет назад

      Trolls has a negative sin count. But that movie was terrible and he was doing it for April Fools Day.

    • @DeSardet46
      @DeSardet46 8 лет назад +1

      District 9 I think has the legit least Sin Count. Even back when he was doing less jokes and counting them as sins.

    • @Propmaker100
      @Propmaker100 8 лет назад

      Kane Hamilton
      no, at the end of the video it has exactly 0 sins ;)

    • @garetmckenna8674
      @garetmckenna8674 8 лет назад

      Troll 2.

    • @herrmanosantos3711
      @herrmanosantos3711 8 лет назад

      It's district 9

  • @alexwright5419
    @alexwright5419 7 лет назад

    Did anyone else notice when Elijah is talking about spectrums he's wearing purple and David's wearing red. That's absolutely brilliant

  • @KaiTenSatsuma
    @KaiTenSatsuma 5 лет назад +12

    "Can we get an Unbreakable 2?"
    Words that have not aged well.

  • @TOOMANYFIGURES
    @TOOMANYFIGURES 8 лет назад +161

    you really struggled with this one

    • @massconnect9329
      @massconnect9329 8 лет назад +53

      They struggle with a lot of things, giving sins to anything they don't understand rather than seeking expert opinions. Frankly I don't need extra-long episodes that just try to run up the score.

    • @jeffdaman6969
      @jeffdaman6969 8 лет назад +5

      +Solem Aubrey
      Gotta get that money!!!

    • @JohnDoe-xz9uo
      @JohnDoe-xz9uo 8 лет назад +58

      Sins are professional Criticism, they're jokes aimed towards getting fans butthurt, and they seem to succeed in every, single, video.
      So they are true artists.

    • @llongone2
      @llongone2 8 лет назад +4

      It`s just a better movie than most of the films reviewed by Cinema Sins

    • @JohnDoe-xz9uo
      @JohnDoe-xz9uo 8 лет назад +3

      wild anal juice Granite.
      Let's say I know a lot or a little about politics, then I go to a extremist politician spewing bullshit while pretending I knew what I was talking about to get the politician and/or fanatical voter pissed off or annoyed at me. Same concept. In a previous video about themselves they admitted to putting their videos tagged under film and movie instead of Parodies or Comedy, mostly cause people don't understand sarcasm. Im pretty sure 90% of the fanbase of Cinemasins flocks to every new video JUST TO SEE the reactions of upset fans.
      The fact you're not understanding that simple concept is boggling, because feigning intelligence over a subject is probably Grade-school tier. I could go out and pretend No Mans Sky is the best thing in the world and put out a ton of fake reasons and get a good response out of it right now. :^)

  • @KnightofFunnyJunk
    @KnightofFunnyJunk 6 лет назад

    >That painting scene from Unbreakable
    That conversation with The Horde over if Glass knew anything about paintings now makes way more sense.

  • @gearsolidsnake8668
    @gearsolidsnake8668 8 лет назад +5

    HEAVY SPOILERS FOR SPLIT
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    10:37
    Yes, we are getting an Unbreakable 2. (Also Split was fantastic)

  • @DM-pv4rw
    @DM-pv4rw 6 лет назад +15

    That scene where mr glass tells about how he believes the comics tell a story is out of context. You put your audio over telling how they talk about mutants and shit the second he starts saying how they get over exaggerated for the comic market.

  • @Horror-Man
    @Horror-Man 8 лет назад

    Rather than a sequel, I think this movie needs a prequel that explores Elijah Prices' journey from comic book nerd to supervillain.

  • @alexsilva28
    @alexsilva28 6 лет назад +3

    That text ruined what otherwise would've been a perfect ending. The acting, the dialogue and the shot itself are fucking gorgeous. It almost feels like a change made by the studio.

  • @tswat23
    @tswat23 8 лет назад +4

    You may need to get excited after "Split" (Id love a CinemaSins on that movie) But it did reference to a possible Unbreakable 2

  • @Tyronejizz
    @Tyronejizz 5 лет назад

    1:10 have you never bin in trains before? They often have 4 seats facing eachother. Also you missed a sin of him "not getting a scratch" from the train accident yet being nocked unconscious while not having this weird flaw when they show the car accident later.

  • @CarlDraper
    @CarlDraper 8 лет назад +22

    If his weakness is water, how does he bath or shower?

    • @tommycarr8111
      @tommycarr8111 8 лет назад +28

      It's not his weakness, he just fears it (I think - haven't watched it in a while). Because of something that happened as a kid.

    • @corey2444
      @corey2444 8 лет назад +6

      It's the only thing that can kill him, well drowning in it.

    • @x2ceyez
      @x2ceyez 8 лет назад +14

      everyone in M night shamalamayanana hates water.

    • @jebes909090
      @jebes909090 8 лет назад +4

      i think his weakness is he has to breath

    • @TelvanniGuard
      @TelvanniGuard 8 лет назад +7

      Bodies of water big enough to drown in is the fear.
      Probably never takes baths.

  • @hernandezboys3
    @hernandezboys3 8 лет назад +6

    Well, we got split. Now we need to wait for Unbreakable 2

  • @crkst
    @crkst 7 лет назад +2

    #35. have you ever been to a sold out stadium... there are certain sections where your seats are so that means you are not allowed to go through certain tunnels.

  • @aadityabhattacharya
    @aadityabhattacharya 8 лет назад +15

    10:39 spoiler alert jeremy ur wish came true

  • @williamwalsh1533
    @williamwalsh1533 8 лет назад +46

    I think Unbreakable is better than the Sixth Sense.

  • @andrewxc1335
    @andrewxc1335 8 лет назад +1

    7:50 - Bruce Willis's character is still scared of guns because of The Sixth Sense...

  • @JuiceHasser
    @JuiceHasser 8 лет назад +86

    Everything wrong with Hancock(Warning: There's a lot wrong with it)

    • @sugafreesiena6213
      @sugafreesiena6213 8 лет назад

      Yes definitely lol

    • @KingDrew
      @KingDrew 8 лет назад +20

      Tru but it's still a good movie (or at least that's my opinion)

    • @daltonriser1125
      @daltonriser1125 8 лет назад

      it fucking sucked which is the biggest sin of all

    • @kgdabuddha2264
      @kgdabuddha2264 8 лет назад +1

      he already did Hancock

    • @R2D2_444
      @R2D2_444 8 лет назад

      Nah everything wrong with sharknado

  • @Theonlypayne
    @Theonlypayne 8 лет назад +6

    How has CinemaSins not done Hackers yet?! Please do Hackers (1995)

  • @crustynugget7398
    @crustynugget7398 6 лет назад +1

    6:26 on "PLANNED" Jeremy taps or moves something in the background that we can hear

  • @jeffanderson9938
    @jeffanderson9938 8 лет назад +37

    Everything Wrong With The Village and The Happening!

  • @AntoineSpeaks
    @AntoineSpeaks 8 лет назад +9

    So true. i've never had a headache in 28 years... I tell everyone that. Hence why you are reading this comment

  • @chrisdumea961
    @chrisdumea961 5 лет назад

    Gotta love this bloke. Keep them sins coming mate

  • @luvovi
    @luvovi 8 лет назад +4

    Everything wrong with Suicide Squad?
    Everything wrong with Suicide Squad!

    • @MaCabaret
      @MaCabaret 6 лет назад +1

      Here it is: everything but Harley Quinn’s booty shorts.

  • @Hook2099
    @Hook2099 8 лет назад +4

    might get an unbreakable sequel

  • @VitruvianVision
    @VitruvianVision 5 лет назад

    The gun scene, the not remembering he never got sick and the security guy revealing insider secrets are very plausible. VERY.

  • @Creeppersharp
    @Creeppersharp 8 лет назад +5

    I remember reviewing this movie in my grade 11 English class, the framing via the angle of shots were highly focused on. Damn, looking at it again I can see how good they truly are.

  • @macdaddy1744
    @macdaddy1744 8 лет назад +21

    pls make everything wrong with suicide squad

    • @DerekHartley
      @DerekHartley 8 лет назад +13

      Obviously will.. But it's only just come out.

    • @NerowVictorian
      @NerowVictorian 8 лет назад +5

      I'd rather he didn't cause he clearly doesn't like it and I don't want to see another video of him being salty the whole time

    • @Hav2bmor
      @Hav2bmor 8 лет назад +2

      +Nerow Victorian have to agree. I loved this series since it's been out but the videos that are just whiny get very old very quick.

    • @coyote6020
      @coyote6020 8 лет назад

      The most long video of the chanel. Right next to BvS

    • @slu8269
      @slu8269 8 лет назад

      No need, everything is wrong with it.

  • @kennethphillips6006
    @kennethphillips6006 7 лет назад

    4:25 This has to be the best newspaper ever reviewed in CinemaSins. The articles are actually complete and pertain to the headlines.

  • @palemaster6000
    @palemaster6000 8 лет назад +10

    Stretching those sins a bit thin, aren't we?