The sun flare gag proves to me that you still really love doing this even after all these years. Thank you for entertaining us for so many years and hopefully many years to come
You missed the sin where the falling glass from the skylights could have just as easily killed the two future victims. Turning a double murder into a double manslaughter.
@@MandalorV7 lol. That reminds me of the Norm MacDonald joke , "technically I'm guilty of man slaughter. I slaughtered a man. I was in a bar and slaughtered a man."
the ice bath doesn't have to lower your body temperature immediately. It simply has to MASK it. You stick a 98.6 degree body in a tub full of water at 40 degrees or so, and it will certainly bring the temperature outside the bath down to under room temperature. And therefore, make it look like nothing is in there.
Thank you, saved me the trouble of writing that. Being submerged under water is like being inside of a block of water, so the thermal only picks up the heat of the tub shaped block. A panel of glass is opaque to current IR cameras.
@@blzahz7633 Yup..I think the more likely scenario of getting caught in that situation is if the spyders were programmed to be "suspicious" of such an out of place cold block. Don't know how intelligent they are supposed to be, but if they recognized it as a tub, then it might be suspicious to them to have a tub full of cold water since that is not generally how people take baths.
Was thinking the same as it was getting sinned. Maybe we can say the sin was for the pre-crime officer basically saying one of the human readings just disappeared and happily moving on like teleportation just happens all the time in 2054.
It's fascinating how many movie trends came out of this movie. The floating-images-in-front-of-protagonist-instead-of-computer-screens" (still heavily used by the MCU). The ubiquitous blue tint. 70% of the movie being a car commercial.
I’ve only read portions of a few of his books and listened to “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep” on audiobook, but Philip K Dick is a visionary. It’s incredible how much of his work has been adapted and how few people are even aware of him as a writer.
If you haven't yet read Ubik, I strongly recommend it. It's an excellent book, and one of his books that doesn't seem to receive as much attention (likely due to it not being made into a film at any point!)
@@Drewggles I seem to recall Adams being in full support of the changes to Hitchiker's Guide and actually suggesting some of them himself, but I could be misremembering.
Reading articles by people who have had to take all the relevant information and synthesise it into a coherent report is still the best way of informing yourself.
Yes, I was hoping for a Heavy Rain reference when he was screaming "Sean!", but I didn't expect it since it's a video game. But I guess it was just too perfect to not do.
Minority Report and Attack of the Clones were released in the same year and ILM did the special effects work for both films. Both films share multiple vfx sequences.
*On the personalized advertisements in public places, my theory is since there are cameras there to read your eyes to identify you, there might be some biotechnology involved where the recipient involved only hears the advertisement intended for that person. That's why there isn't a cacophony of advertisements for the other people in the area.*
I nearly choked on my food during the "Shaun" outtake from Heavy Rain. And I was louder than I should have been in my breakroom. But I laughed so loud, because I literally thought the same thing when I was watching this Sin video.
We had Heavy Rain set up on a display Playstation for people to demo at a retailer I worked at and had to listen to "JA-SON!" alllll day long for like 6 months. I've still never played that damn game
This is one of those movies that if you asked me if Cinemasins had already covered I would have said yes. I do love it though. I believe this is Tom Cruise’s finest work as an actor.
I gotta say I love how fun you keep these videos. It's amazing that after a decade they're still absolutely hilarious, and it's evident y'all are having a great time
@@andiward7068 well, I'm not sure how into film making you are, but every dollar counts... so even if TC's salary was "only" 5 million, that 5 mil DOES make a big difference in production. And sometimes it's to ensure OTHER actors and workers get a higher wage.
The badger moment killed me 😂🤣. Cinemasins videos always make my day. I am so happy they finally did this movie. I can't wait to see what they choose next!!! Keep up the amazing work!!!!
The biggest sin of this movie is that it abandoned the central gimmick of the original story, where all the precogs could be right even though they disagree. Precog 1 predicts a future in which x occurs. That prediction then leads to a future in which x doesn't occur, and precog 2 predicts that. But that second prediction leads to yet another future in which x occurs after all, albeit via a different series of events, and precog 3 predicts that, leaving precog 2 to be the apparent minority report. That's the brilliant twist that was far more clever and interesting than whatever this movie was doing. In other news, there was a short-lived tv series, also titled MINORITY REPORT, that was a sequel to this movie, focusing on the three precogs It was okay.
The power dynamic in the bending the knees is actually a thing. Studies have shown that it relates people back to a child like state when their father would do it to talk to them. The more baffling thing is that there are studies done on this lol
@@only4crap uggh I'll have to do some backend research for you, but I remember it from one of my psychology subjects at uni. Covered a number of body language behavioral science and the affect it has cognitively. Leave it with me for a day and I'll try and track down the specific study.
The movie is amazing, they really dont make this kind of movie anymore. FUN FACT - I also keep showing it to people, and they are always shocked how old it actually is. They believe its way newer than it is.
How do you do an "orgy of evidence" sin on a movie without at some point referencing the orgy of evidence line in that same movie that most likely inspired the sin in the first place?
Easy explanation for the woman saying that she was going to be raped and having the recogs see it: it was a rape-murder. She was giving detail about the nature of her would-be murder, not citing a crime that didn't involve murder. Ugh, I feel a little dirty breaking it down like that!
My big issue with the plot of this movie is that it's paradoxical. Anderton was only ever in the situation to kill the person at the end BECAUSE the precogs said he would. If the precogs didn't report him, he'd have just continued on his normal work day and nothing unusual would have happened, he'd have never known about the guy and his son's picture in the room. So WHY did the precogs even see that future killing when it's seemingly their own manipulated invention?
My guess is that the precogs either show the future that they think is the most probable, or in this case they chose to show the future of Anderton committing murder so that they can get the future they desire (exposing the truth)?
Isn't that because Anderton would certainly kill the person responsible for his son's kidnapping? Once Burgess hired the guy to pretend to be the kidnapper, I guess it started the chain of events. Without that guy willing to pose as the kidnapper, Anderton would have nobody to kill. Now there's a target, with actual "proof", hiding in the city Anderton lives in. I don't know, I just figured that this is what started it all
What's really interesting about the whole system is Agatha can apparently see murders in the past. This means that Sean is either not in the city anymore or... He's still alive.
Because Lamar is the director of the program and he set it up so that the Precogs would see the future murder! Remember when he goes to the old lady’s house and she said the program is flawed because the Precogs actually disagree? It’s really the whole purpose of the plot: the program itself is actually a scam. The “minority reports” are taken and deleted immediately and the excuse used is that the report is just “an echo” but it’s actually not. That’s the brilliance of the movie. “The Echo” is actually a real predicted future and Lamar uses Anderton as proof that the system isn’t flawed because if it is the whole system would collapse and if eventually does. Now, why he killed Ann Lively HIMSELF at the lake knowing her daughter would be able to keep and store that memory and replay it on a screen to me is the real flaw of this movie. Like, pay a hitman to do it 🤷🏼♀️
@@Dark_Kevlarian no he’s dead that’s why Agatha talks about his hypothetical future. She can’t see the murder because it happened before she was placed in that area. That’s why when she’s out on an Island at the end she’s not envisioning murders anymore. I don’t know why she can see her Mother’s murder except for the fact that she’s her Mother so maybe that’s why that specific one keeps playing over and over. Because think about it if she was envisioning past murders her mind would just be a cluster of old murders replaying themselves.
@@michiel1162 it is underrated. Especially compared to his newer stuff which I don’t think is that great tbh. To me it’s E.T. and Minority Report. Oh and Schindlers List but damn that one is depressing.
At 9:01 you say the hallway ads would be too noisy to hear anything specific, but you're forgetting about directional sound waves. A technology which already existed when this movie was made and is only getting better. Modern speakers can create narrowly focused cones of sound that are much more audible from one position than another. It's how many modern sound systems generate 3d soundscapes with only 3 to 5 speakers or even a single sound bar. At 14:54 you say his body temperature wouldn't lower that fast. But he's not trying to lower his body temperature, he's trying to mask his heat signature, and having a layer of ice and water between him and the thermal cameras WOULD absorb a huge amount of the thermal radiation his body is giving off, even before his core temperature dropped significantly.
I forgot the kids name was Shaun in this movie. So when the flashback came up I immediately thought of Heavy Rain and chuckled. Only to full on giggle when I saw Heavy Rain at the end.
That’s just it. They’re different things. So easy to shout at CinemaSins “you’ve no appreciation or understanding for wonderful movie making!” or “you’ve missed the point!” - until one learns, as I did, to see their videos through the viewpoint of someone sarcastic, flippant and pedantic.
Fun fact: this was the film I was most excited to not just see, but see in theaters. More than any other. And I didn't *get* to see it in theaters...I was young enough at the time that movies were generally a family affair, and my family kept promising that we'd get around to it, and when we finally tried it was out of theaters. When I did finally see it on DVD maybe a half-year later...well, it was every bit as good as I expected, so needless to say I was pretty peeved with the rest of the family for keeping me from seeing it at its best!
Don’t worry, a lot of movies get re-aired in the theaters. I’ve seen 4-5 movies this year re-aired in the throw back theater specials. So find your theater that does throw backs. I believe Minority Report was actually in the theater for Tom Cruise day or something lol.
Yeah this would be amazing to see in the cinema. I saw it on dvd too. Now ET I got to see in the cinema and that was something special. I cried for like a week after seeing that movie. Thanks a lot Spielberg lol
14:33 The ice bath does NOT cause his body temperature to dramatically lower. It CONCEALS his body temperature to their scanner. Imagine pointing an infrared camera at the bathtub - it looks cold, DESPITE the fact a warm body just climbed into it. So, this is realistic, and you owned yourself...
Nice nod to "Starship Troopers". 👏🤣 And the ice bath WOULD work because you're trying to stop the radiant heat (infrared wavelengths) from reaching the spyder's sensors. Since the cold water would absorb the thermal energy radiating off Anderton's body, the wavelength of energy would dissipate to match at least ambient, if not the surface of the water or lower. With that much ice I could see it completely absorbing all the infrared he would otherwise be giving off.
My father=my priest. Meaning he was likely brought up in a catholic orphanage after his dad's murder (Catholic Church-affiliated orphanages are fairly common in Ireland).
@@AthenianOwl237 fun fact Neeson once came to my school in the north east UK as a spare teacher and was given such a hard time he lost his temper and threatened a pupil! We had such a laugh later on when he became famous lol!
3:49 I did read that on the day Colin Farrell was shooting this scene with Cruise explaining the PreCog technology and the famous ball scene, he got hammered the previous night and the two other Precog members chuckling at Colin's first response was the actors chuckling at Farrell because he was very hungover and flubbed his lines a dozen times beforehand and this was his first correct take. I mention this because I just noticed he is chewing gum and knowing what I know, I am sure it was to cover the morning after booze breath.
I'm pretty sure the bookshelf with the "useless wooden panels" was actually a cabinet. The shadow being cast on it makes the knobs in the middle of the doors obscured.
While he still is better then most directors today (because most movies suck today), he is a shadow of his former self. The days of him making movies of the same caliber as Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, and Indy 1-3, are over unfortunately.
@@psifla99 Fair enough but do you really believe it's the same quality as his 70s-90s movies? I'm not a fan of musicals so I've never seen WSS but it does only have a 7.2 on imdb.
17:52 easy, the people who designed that hotel were related to the people who designed my high school "T building" (my high school had 4 buildings including the gym and the "T building" or tech building was the newest one built). All the numbers in that building were totally random, the only constant variable was the preceeding number indicating floor. So the first floor would be rooms 100, 102, 105, 107, 113, 115, 127, 140, 144, etc. and the second floor would be 200, 201, 205, 217, 219, 220, 225, 230, 235, 241.. and no I'm not joking, these are actual sequential room numbers I remember, they made no sense. Each floor had maybe 10 to 20 rooms but the numbers would be all over the place. In the other buildings (Main building and "V" or vocational building) all the numbers were like 101, 102, 103, 104 etc. like it's supposed to be. Idk how high the people were when numbering rooms in teh "T" building but it was nonsense.
-the newspaper updating thing -John being framed all along but Spielberg still somehow getting that shot where John had the full killer body language -the locks/alarms oblivious to John's situation all fucking along -everything about how precrime works (how precogs can only see stuff in a defined mile radius isn't addressed even in exposition by the characters if I'm not mistaken, and neither is how they intend to make more precogs - because Precrime going national demands that this happens somehow ) -the assembly line car ex-machina ready for use -the chimney being lit on while the window is open in the final scene as much as I love this movie, all of this has always had me tossing and turning when I think about it, thanks for covering (almost) all of it!
Chewing gum had completely gone out of fashion at the time the film was made, so having people chew gum added an exotic touch. Today, twenty years later, it's back in style, but then, we also have jetpacks now
The ice bath isn’t that his body temp drops, it’s that the thermal camera sees cold water rather than him, since IR doesn’t go through water particularly well (same reason it’s not possible to look for submarines visually under the water). But missed flaw of after his eyes are replaced he eye-dents into the chamber and the computer calls him Jon Anderton, but in the gap it calls him by the prior owner of the eyes’ Japanese name.
There is some twisted irony with the crow dead scene that can explain the shooting - Well, she has seen the murder take place. In sad way, she unintentionally caused it to happen. When she screamed, it sent a shock to John, which is what caused him to pull the trigger. And she screamed because given that these murders are her nightmares, seeing them become a reality in person - you gotta admit that it would be extremely terrifying. Will say, that scene where she teases them with the possibility that Sean's alive and then pulls back to reality where it's like "Oh yeah we forgot, he's dead and now you just traumatized us further" was beyond torturous. It's possibly the most painfully emotional scene and at the same time the most effed up scene in the entire movie.
Yea, that was one scene I thought wasnt necessary. Like, "WOW, so much love in this house. Let me tell you about Sean`s life...if he were alive of course hehe". YIKES! Agatha is savage. Still, love this movie.
Until Arrival came out, this was at the top of my Best Adaptation list. The imagery, the pacing…watching this was like being inside the author's idea of his story. That said, the lax biometric security? Definitely a sin. And this vid was screaming for a Chris STOP SHOWING ME VOMIT sound bite.
19:15 Those look to me like hinged cupboard doors under the row of books, not panels. And if the top is for displaying statues, residents don't need to reach up for it on any kind of frequent basis.
The question of why the locks aren’t changed after Anderton goes on the run has been asked elsewhere too. My thought is - one could imagine that (a) if they caught him, his eyes would be useless anyway as he’d be locked up, and they didn’t know he’d had his eyes swapped, and (b) if he was trying to get away from the station, it would be logical to ask why on earth he’d want to come back.
9:40 Well, considering they’re flying using jet packs at are show to BURN things around them, they probably don’t want to be too close to each other’s jet packs even if they are able to somehow crowd together.
I like how in 2054, people still carry "photos" on film paper, like the child abductor/murderer does. For some bizarre reason, photos in this distant future weren't stored on electronic devices like they are today. Even in 2002, when this film was released, very few people still walked around with paper photographs.
What are you smoking? Paper photographs are still widely kept by people even now. Photos may be taken digitally now, but people still get some of their favorites printed out.
I would disagree. Camera phones were not even in the states until 2004 and digital recording devices were "potato cams" so the quality was terrible. People had plenty of paper photos in 2002 and still do 20 years later.
First off all digital cameras was super fucking expensive in 2002 so no not everyone had it.. Also many experienced like me that since all my high school photos and videos where digital and the cloud didn't exist are now gone forever so there's very much a chance paper will become the norm again.. Many photographers use it today, vinyl is back.. Digital is not the answer to everything
Beginning 2000 was the time digital camera sales surpassed the regular camera. And even with the digital cameras there were still many people who would still print out their pictures. So in 2002 there were defo still tonnes of people walking around with paper photographs.
For me this movie died when Tom went back to pre-crime and used his own original eyeball to scan into the building, while being the most wanted guy in the universe, and then essentially flushes himself down the toilet with she-cog to escape successfully.
I work IT for a DOJ, all it takes is one person to not send an email for this to happen. Or an overworked IT guy that is it in his Todo list and decides it can wait till Friday.
So about hiding from heat sensors in an ice bath: even if you're body temp didn't change too much or fast, the sensors wouldn't be able to see it past the cold water
@@babytoshiro7014 "But that's not what they were going for" Who? The script writers? The characters on screen? It isn't about whether his body temperature is lowered, it's about whether it's visible. The same effect could be achieved if you went into a thermally isolated box, say a walk in cooler or buried yourself in heavy thermal blankets. It's whether or not the SENSORS that are detecting the body heat can SEE any, and they can't if there is sufficient interference between you and the sensor.
@@ThatMontmorency given the depth of sensor network they had, it's plausible the sensors were closer than having to look through that many walls. This is never stated, but given the wealth of surveillance tech they had, it could be common place and 'building code' to have it installed at least in the common spaces. Thus the sensors are not 'as sensitive as you think they are' to pass through so many walls and not water. Also, to be fair, insulated walls in a house would block much of the infrared of individuals in a house too. It is unrealistic to believe that you can get a sci-fi heat map from OUTSIDE of where people are in a house through all the walls, insulated against the weather. It's CSI nonsense. Windows, however, may be a different matter.
02:23 Also, a homicide _rate_ is not at all the same thing as _number_ of homicides, which is what that counter is presumably showing. A homicide _rate_ of 40-50 million? What does that even mean, given that the rate is normally given as homicides per 100,000? That there are exponentially more murders than there are people alive? It's a pretty stupid mistake for a movie trying to make the sci part of its sci-fi believable.
I’m surprised he didnt mention that Anderton’s crime of passion was predicted as if it was premeditated. He definitely hadnt planned on killing crowe. Only decided to after seeing the fake pics of his son
👏👏 Never realized that. Cinema sins is really starting to slip. Huge plot hole that they referenced right as the pre vision started “I’m surprised anyone’s dumb enough to plan a murder.” But it wasn’t planned.
It has been forever since I've seen the movie, but here's what I remember: It's a crime of passion from John Anderton's point of view, but it's premeditated from Burgess's point of view. Burgess arranged a plan that would end with Crowe getting shot. For example, if I set up a convoluted plan that would end with Crowe being in a room with a hungry tiger two days from now, that would be a murder that was premeditated by me. That would raise another issue, though -- using my explanation, the ball should have Burgess's name on it instead of John Anderton's name on it.
John says that he always dreamed of what he would do to the man who took his son : kill him. So it was premeditated murder, he was just waiting for 6 years to find the right guy.
Also, maybe the ball with the murderer's name was late to come out because the precogs were still trying to elude who was the real murderer between John and Lamar (since Lamar is the man who schemed all this). And at the end they went for John's name because they couldn't see far enough to have evidence against Lamar.
@@intorainbowzOG I know that’s his legal name now but Jeremy was curious why his cousin William Mapother doesn’t use the family name “Cruise” but the family is “Mapother”
I think in this future, it's easier to alter your face than it is to to switch eyes (Anderton only had to needle himself up). What am i saying, this is easier even in our time. Also some people look alike a lot. Retinal scans are probably more unique. Also also, people's facial features can change drastically overtime. Eyes cannot.
You know, it just occurred to me, how Howard Marks “tried to kill” his wife because she was having an affair, but has it never occurred to everyone else that he tried to stab her for that reason? Besides they just Haloed him with that Mind Dream thing and they never interviewed him of WHY he did what he did.
@@patrickspencer6550 , it's a bot. They reply to almost every comment on popular channels, like CinemaSins, with the same link to drive up traffic to a RUclips video/channel. Just report it.
@@patrickspencer6550 In this case they know why because Cruise got lucky seeing the other lover at the park. It's not their job to find out why though, just when murders are occuring.
3:33 No, it WOULD be impossible to replace the ball, because these balls are scanned as soon as they're made and go down the ball chute. How could he possibly replace the ball with a fake, when the original one has already been scanned and is in their system?
I’m taking a sin off Jeremy for great use of the phrase “orgy of evidence” in the movie that INVENTED the phrase!* *Or at the least, introduced it to a bunch of folx that never heard it before 😄
12:59 Don't know about you, but I only see ONE additional person on the entire edge of the pool. Reasonable in 16 seconds. Also nice touch to put amble in there.
The sun flare gag proves to me that you still really love doing this even after all these years. Thank you for entertaining us for so many years and hopefully many years to come
You missed the sin where the falling glass from the skylights could have just as easily killed the two future victims. Turning a double murder into a double manslaughter.
Right.
I was thinking the same.
Well then they still would have prevented a murder.
@@MandalorV7 lol. That reminds me of the Norm MacDonald joke , "technically I'm guilty of man slaughter. I slaughtered a man. I was in a bar and slaughtered a man."
the ice bath doesn't have to lower your body temperature immediately. It simply has to MASK it. You stick a 98.6 degree body in a tub full of water at 40 degrees or so, and it will certainly bring the temperature outside the bath down to under room temperature. And therefore, make it look like nothing is in there.
It's simpler than that, even. Water is mostly opaque to infrared light.
Thank you, saved me the trouble of writing that. Being submerged under water is like being inside of a block of water, so the thermal only picks up the heat of the tub shaped block.
A panel of glass is opaque to current IR cameras.
@@blzahz7633 Yup..I think the more likely scenario of getting caught in that situation is if the spyders were programmed to be "suspicious" of such an out of place cold block. Don't know how intelligent they are supposed to be, but if they recognized it as a tub, then it might be suspicious to them to have a tub full of cold water since that is not generally how people take baths.
Was thinking the same as it was getting sinned. Maybe we can say the sin was for the pre-crime officer basically saying one of the human readings just disappeared and happily moving on like teleportation just happens all the time in 2054.
@@mattc3581 Well, he DOES gotta eat!
Thanks for making the Heavy Rain connection. I also yelled "Jason!" the second he started to yell for his kid.
It's fascinating how many movie trends came out of this movie. The floating-images-in-front-of-protagonist-instead-of-computer-screens" (still heavily used by the MCU). The ubiquitous blue tint. 70% of the movie being a car commercial.
I’ve only read portions of a few of his books and listened to “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep” on audiobook, but Philip K Dick is a visionary. It’s incredible how much of his work has been adapted and how few people are even aware of him as a writer.
If you haven't yet read Ubik, I strongly recommend it. It's an excellent book, and one of his books that doesn't seem to receive as much attention (likely due to it not being made into a film at any point!)
what gets me, is they completely change the outcome of this story. Like absolutely different. And I love the short story.
He's great at writing a treatment for a sci-fi movie, not so great at characters. IMHO
@@LunarKnight22 welcome to a book writers life. King would have plenty to say on that subject, as well as Douglas Adams
@@Drewggles I seem to recall Adams being in full support of the changes to Hitchiker's Guide and actually suggesting some of them himself, but I could be misremembering.
Imagine a dystopian future where people pay a subscription for news updates instead of buying a newspaper. Ridiculous
You guys are paying for your news?
Y'arr harr harr ain't gonna happen matey 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Funny this film thought newspapers would still be a thing.
@@JimmyMon666 Probably some kind of retro trend, like when all the hipsters suddenly had rotary dial phones for like a week.
Reading articles by people who have had to take all the relevant information and synthesise it into a coherent report is still the best way of informing yourself.
Yes, I was hoping for a Heavy Rain reference when he was screaming "Sean!", but I didn't expect it since it's a video game. But I guess it was just too perfect to not do.
That's exactly what I came down to the comments looking for. A+
I was also pleased with the Heavy Rain reference. lol
Minority Report and Attack of the Clones were released in the same year and ILM did the special effects work for both films. Both films share multiple vfx sequences.
Crazy to think the amount of work they did and how well the product came out. Now days the outcome is worse lol
*On the personalized advertisements in public places, my theory is since there are cameras there to read your eyes to identify you, there might be some biotechnology involved where the recipient involved only hears the advertisement intended for that person. That's why there isn't a cacophony of advertisements for the other people in the area.*
They tested soft drink machines that make the sound of a can opening and hissing and pouring. You can only hear it directly in front of the machine.
Also why didn’t dude look down so the cameras couldn’t spot him? Or at least wear sunglasses? He looks right at the advertising 🤦🏼♀️
Bingo. Although it is not bio, it is a tech that already exists.
2:20 That was a nice Starship Troopers reference.
I nearly choked on my food during the "Shaun" outtake from Heavy Rain. And I was louder than I should have been in my breakroom. But I laughed so loud, because I literally thought the same thing when I was watching this Sin video.
We had Heavy Rain set up on a display Playstation for people to demo at a retailer I worked at and had to listen to "JA-SON!" alllll day long for like 6 months. I've still never played that damn game
This is one of those movies that if you asked me if Cinemasins had already covered I would have said yes. I do love it though. I believe this is Tom Cruise’s finest work as an actor.
I'm sure Cinemasins refers to Minority Report when sinning other movies, that's why I thought this one would have been covered already too.
For me it’s Demolition Man. I SWEAR they covered it already but they’ve only done a “What’s the Damage?”
He’s not acting he really believes he’s superhuman
Born on the Fourth of July is his best acting.
@@rwlynch3468 Yes. Orgy of Evidence sin comes from Minority Report. They tend to point out how later films ripped off Minority Report too.
Still giggling about "That's Tom Cruise's kid alright!"
I gotta say I love how fun you keep these videos. It's amazing that after a decade they're still absolutely hilarious, and it's evident y'all are having a great time
Fun Fact: Tom Cruise and Steven Spielberg both agreed to waive their usual salary to help keep the film's budget under $100 million
Kinda cool that someone believes in their work enough to take a pay cut just to make it happen.
nice profile pic
Sad fact: 2 people's salary made a significant difference in the budget of a 100m film.
@@andiward7068 well, I'm not sure how into film making you are, but every dollar counts... so even if TC's salary was "only" 5 million, that 5 mil DOES make a big difference in production. And sometimes it's to ensure OTHER actors and workers get a higher wage.
*ANOTHER FUN FACT:* The guy on the subway that recognizes Anderton is played by Cameron Crowe.
The badger moment killed me 😂🤣. Cinemasins videos always make my day. I am so happy they finally did this movie. I can't wait to see what they choose next!!! Keep up the amazing work!!!!
Despite all the roastings and sins of movies I absolutely love; Cinema Sins is spot on almost every time.
Nice work
The Heavy Rain "Sean!" reference was hilarious.
The biggest sin of this movie is that it abandoned the central gimmick of the original story, where all the precogs could be right even though they disagree. Precog 1 predicts a future in which x occurs. That prediction then leads to a future in which x doesn't occur, and precog 2 predicts that. But that second prediction leads to yet another future in which x occurs after all, albeit via a different series of events, and precog 3 predicts that, leaving precog 2 to be the apparent minority report. That's the brilliant twist that was far more clever and interesting than whatever this movie was doing.
In other news, there was a short-lived tv series, also titled MINORITY REPORT, that was a sequel to this movie, focusing on the three precogs It was okay.
true thats cool, would be very difficult to articulate it into a coherent story but yeah would be awasome if it was integrated into the plot.
Max von Sydow still looks the same age as he did while filming The Exorcist.
...He's in old age makeup in The Exorcist.
Sir Ralph Richardson looks the same age in EVERY film he was in.
@@AtheistOrphan So did Gene Hackman
@@jupiterkansas - You are right. Good call.
The power dynamic in the bending the knees is actually a thing. Studies have shown that it relates people back to a child like state when their father would do it to talk to them.
The more baffling thing is that there are studies done on this lol
Wtf
@@llamingo696 Crazy right
source…?
@@only4crap uggh I'll have to do some backend research for you, but I remember it from one of my psychology subjects at uni. Covered a number of body language behavioral science and the affect it has cognitively.
Leave it with me for a day and I'll try and track down the specific study.
@@shannonsteven3982 4 months later....
"An organ playing an organ" literally made me snort laughing. Well done, writers. Well done.
Would've been a golden opportunity for a bullsht horror chord, lol!!
@@russellvitranoiii3504 Eye'd watch that!
There’s no way an 👁 👁 would be that heavy to make the organ that loud.
The ice bath didn't lower his body temperature(much), it masked his heat signature.
The movie is amazing, they really dont make this kind of movie anymore.
FUN FACT - I also keep showing it to people, and they are always shocked how old it actually is. They believe its way newer than it is.
And it was a summer blockbuster! With thoughtful aspects and nuanced characters that one comes back to.
Yes, at any given time, they never make movies like they used to any more
I could believe it’s an early 2000 movie. The Fifth Element was done in the late 90’s and it still holds up very well too.
@@Dark_Mishra Yeah, alot of things hold up well in that movie. Quite funny too!
Yeah most movies from the 90’s onwards look indistinguishable and in some cases better from today.
How do you do an "orgy of evidence" sin on a movie without at some point referencing the orgy of evidence line in that same movie that most likely inspired the sin in the first place?
That Heavy Rain outtake was life
Easy explanation for the woman saying that she was going to be raped and having the recogs see it: it was a rape-murder. She was giving detail about the nature of her would-be murder, not citing a crime that didn't involve murder. Ugh, I feel a little dirty breaking it down like that!
My big issue with the plot of this movie is that it's paradoxical. Anderton was only ever in the situation to kill the person at the end BECAUSE the precogs said he would. If the precogs didn't report him, he'd have just continued on his normal work day and nothing unusual would have happened, he'd have never known about the guy and his son's picture in the room. So WHY did the precogs even see that future killing when it's seemingly their own manipulated invention?
My guess is that the precogs either show the future that they think is the most probable, or in this case they chose to show the future of Anderton committing murder so that they can get the future they desire (exposing the truth)?
Isn't that because Anderton would certainly kill the person responsible for his son's kidnapping? Once Burgess hired the guy to pretend to be the kidnapper, I guess it started the chain of events. Without that guy willing to pose as the kidnapper, Anderton would have nobody to kill. Now there's a target, with actual "proof", hiding in the city Anderton lives in. I don't know, I just figured that this is what started it all
What's really interesting about the whole system is Agatha can apparently see murders in the past. This means that Sean is either not in the city anymore or... He's still alive.
Because Lamar is the director of the program and he set it up so that the Precogs would see the future murder! Remember when he goes to the old lady’s house and she said the program is flawed because the Precogs actually disagree? It’s really the whole purpose of the plot: the program itself is actually a scam. The “minority reports” are taken and deleted immediately and the excuse used is that the report is just “an echo” but it’s actually not. That’s the brilliance of the movie. “The Echo” is actually a real predicted future and Lamar uses Anderton as proof that the system isn’t flawed because if it is the whole system would collapse and if eventually does. Now, why he killed Ann Lively HIMSELF at the lake knowing her daughter would be able to keep and store that memory and replay it on a screen to me is the real flaw of this movie. Like, pay a hitman to do it 🤷🏼♀️
@@Dark_Kevlarian no he’s dead that’s why Agatha talks about his hypothetical future. She can’t see the murder because it happened before she was placed in that area. That’s why when she’s out on an Island at the end she’s not envisioning murders anymore. I don’t know why she can see her Mother’s murder except for the fact that she’s her Mother so maybe that’s why that specific one keeps playing over and over. Because think about it if she was envisioning past murders her mind would just be a cluster of old murders replaying themselves.
This is possibly Spielbergs most underrated movie. It is like a Sci fi love letter to Hitchcock 👍
@Cliff Beavers it's a known classic. Idk if it's appreciated like it should be but it may be overstating it to call it underrated.
Between this and Catch Me if You Can, Spielberg is a master at switching genres….
I don't think it's underrated tho, a lot of people know and love this movie
@@michiel1162 it is underrated. Especially compared to his newer stuff which I don’t think is that great tbh. To me it’s E.T. and Minority Report. Oh and Schindlers List but damn that one is depressing.
@@osmanyousif7849 I mean that’s a good movie but meh.
At 9:01 you say the hallway ads would be too noisy to hear anything specific, but you're forgetting about directional sound waves. A technology which already existed when this movie was made and is only getting better. Modern speakers can create narrowly focused cones of sound that are much more audible from one position than another. It's how many modern sound systems generate 3d soundscapes with only 3 to 5 speakers or even a single sound bar.
At 14:54 you say his body temperature wouldn't lower that fast. But he's not trying to lower his body temperature, he's trying to mask his heat signature, and having a layer of ice and water between him and the thermal cameras WOULD absorb a huge amount of the thermal radiation his body is giving off, even before his core temperature dropped significantly.
I forgot the kids name was Shaun in this movie. So when the flashback came up I immediately thought of Heavy Rain and chuckled. Only to full on giggle when I saw Heavy Rain at the end.
“Organ playing organ” is a 10/10 sentence.
This was one of those movies with a lot of negative buzz. About 20 minutes in...during the escape, I started thinking...this is actually pretty good!
The camera angle idea was an incredible conclusion to what happened in the scene. If I ever film a movie, I am so using that idea for it. 💖
Do you mean where he sees himself commit the future murder and the screen is spill?
@8:26 this is what I come to this channel for. Genuine appreciation for cinematography and masterful movie making wrapped in pedantic flippancy.
That’s just it. They’re different things. So easy to shout at CinemaSins “you’ve no appreciation or understanding for wonderful movie making!” or “you’ve missed the point!” - until one learns, as I did, to see their videos through the viewpoint of someone sarcastic, flippant and pedantic.
Fun fact: this was the film I was most excited to not just see, but see in theaters. More than any other. And I didn't *get* to see it in theaters...I was young enough at the time that movies were generally a family affair, and my family kept promising that we'd get around to it, and when we finally tried it was out of theaters. When I did finally see it on DVD maybe a half-year later...well, it was every bit as good as I expected, so needless to say I was pretty peeved with the rest of the family for keeping me from seeing it at its best!
Don’t worry, a lot of movies get re-aired in the theaters. I’ve seen 4-5 movies this year re-aired in the throw back theater specials. So find your theater that does throw backs. I believe Minority Report was actually in the theater for Tom Cruise day or something lol.
Yeah this would be amazing to see in the cinema. I saw it on dvd too. Now ET I got to see in the cinema and that was something special. I cried for like a week after seeing that movie. Thanks a lot Spielberg lol
This is an insanely incorrect use of "fun fact"
14:33 The ice bath does NOT cause his body temperature to dramatically lower. It CONCEALS his body temperature to their scanner. Imagine pointing an infrared camera at the bathtub - it looks cold, DESPITE the fact a warm body just climbed into it. So, this is realistic, and you owned yourself...
"This Spielberg guy might make a career out of this movie-making thing." Yeah, guess so.
He did some good stuff, but it's not like he wrote Indiana Jones...
Here is the recommend clips that say it:
ruclips.net/video/AIvSNeerhRA/видео.html..
Nice nod to "Starship Troopers". 👏🤣 And the ice bath WOULD work because you're trying to stop the radiant heat (infrared wavelengths) from reaching the spyder's sensors. Since the cold water would absorb the thermal energy radiating off Anderton's body, the wavelength of energy would dissipate to match at least ambient, if not the surface of the water or lower. With that much ice I could see it completely absorbing all the infrared he would otherwise be giving off.
Right. People smugglers use similar techniques all of the time.
My father=my priest. Meaning he was likely brought up in a catholic orphanage after his dad's murder (Catholic Church-affiliated orphanages are fairly common in Ireland).
As is murder of the authority in charge in Ireland lol (I'm brittish btw)
@@leemichael2154 hahaha that's solid. As Neeson (as Collins) once said, "Nice job boys, but easy on the riddlin'!"
@@AthenianOwl237 fun fact Neeson once came to my school in the north east UK as a spare teacher and was given such a hard time he lost his temper and threatened a pupil! We had such a laugh later on when he became famous lol!
3:49 I did read that on the day Colin Farrell was shooting this scene with Cruise explaining the PreCog technology and the famous ball scene, he got hammered the previous night and the two other Precog members chuckling at Colin's first response was the actors chuckling at Farrell because he was very hungover and flubbed his lines a dozen times beforehand and this was his first correct take.
I mention this because I just noticed he is chewing gum and knowing what I know, I am sure it was to cover the morning after booze breath.
I'm pretty sure the bookshelf with the "useless wooden panels" was actually a cabinet. The shadow being cast on it makes the knobs in the middle of the doors obscured.
Colin Farrell was also really great in this
Filmmakers like Spielberg are in a very short supply
Here is the recommend clips that say it:
ruclips.net/video/AIvSNeerhRA/видео.html..
Yeah, luckily...
While he still is better then most directors today (because most movies suck today), he is a shadow of his former self. The days of him making movies of the same caliber as Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, and Indy 1-3, are over unfortunately.
@@BobBrophy78His West Side Story was tremendous.
@@psifla99 Fair enough but do you really believe it's the same quality as his 70s-90s movies? I'm not a fan of musicals so I've never seen WSS but it does only have a 7.2 on imdb.
I remember when Futurama did a parody of Minority Report. We call him Pickles. And Fry was like is it because he's floating like he's in a jar?
"You shot me! You MISERABLE DINGUS!!" Lol, that line gets me EVERY TIME!!
17:52 easy, the people who designed that hotel were related to the people who designed my high school "T building" (my high school had 4 buildings including the gym and the "T building" or tech building was the newest one built). All the numbers in that building were totally random, the only constant variable was the preceeding number indicating floor. So the first floor would be rooms 100, 102, 105, 107, 113, 115, 127, 140, 144, etc. and the second floor would be 200, 201, 205, 217, 219, 220, 225, 230, 235, 241.. and no I'm not joking, these are actual sequential room numbers I remember, they made no sense. Each floor had maybe 10 to 20 rooms but the numbers would be all over the place. In the other buildings (Main building and "V" or vocational building) all the numbers were like 101, 102, 103, 104 etc. like it's supposed to be. Idk how high the people were when numbering rooms in teh "T" building but it was nonsense.
The bit with the sun peeking from behind his head 😂😂😂
21:24 Agatha doesn’t plead to Bastian to save her by calling out her name in this scene. DING!
ATREEEYYUUUUU!!!
-the newspaper updating thing
-John being framed all along but Spielberg still somehow getting that shot where John had the full killer body language
-the locks/alarms oblivious to John's situation all fucking along
-everything about how precrime works (how precogs can only see stuff in a defined mile radius isn't addressed even in exposition by the characters if I'm not mistaken, and neither is how they intend to make more precogs - because Precrime going national demands that this happens somehow )
-the assembly line car ex-machina ready for use
-the chimney being lit on while the window is open in the final scene
as much as I love this movie, all of this has always had me tossing and turning when I think about it, thanks for covering (almost) all of it!
Chewing gum had completely gone out of fashion at the time the film was made, so having people chew gum added an exotic touch. Today, twenty years later, it's back in style, but then, we also have jetpacks now
you made that stuff up lol
@@ISirSmoke Unless gravity.co is an elaborate fake, we do have jetpacks
@@Zuckerbrot78 I meant the chewing gum part
The ice bath isn’t that his body temp drops, it’s that the thermal camera sees cold water rather than him, since IR doesn’t go through water particularly well (same reason it’s not possible to look for submarines visually under the water). But missed flaw of after his eyes are replaced he eye-dents into the chamber and the computer calls him Jon Anderton, but in the gap it calls him by the prior owner of the eyes’ Japanese name.
There is some twisted irony with the crow dead scene that can explain the shooting - Well, she has seen the murder take place. In sad way, she unintentionally caused it to happen.
When she screamed, it sent a shock to John, which is what caused him to pull the trigger. And she screamed because given that these murders are her nightmares, seeing them become a reality in person - you gotta admit that it would be extremely terrifying.
Will say, that scene where she teases them with the possibility that Sean's alive and then pulls back to reality where it's like "Oh yeah we forgot, he's dead and now you just traumatized us further" was beyond torturous. It's possibly the most painfully emotional scene and at the same time the most effed up scene in the entire movie.
What part of the movie is where she teases Anderton that Sean is still alive?
Yea, that was one scene I thought wasnt necessary. Like, "WOW, so much love in this house. Let me tell you about Sean`s life...if he were alive of course hehe". YIKES! Agatha is savage.
Still, love this movie.
Loved that little Starship Troopers nod to this dystopian future.
Minority reports sound like my local news 24/7
I love that you used the "Orgy of Evidence" description 3 times without actually showing the "Orgy of Evidence" clip in the video.
The clip could have been sinned: Detective Witwer inspired CinemaSins!
Oh absolutely. It's just hilarious how well omitting it works. I genuinely did a spit take when I realized they did.
Hopefully yall do the Minority Report TV Show as well. Loved it and sad it only got one season.
I'm sorry. There was a show? I'm going to have to hunt it down.
8:16 Sean didn’t go missing when he was a toddler. You just pointed out the scene of him running.
Until Arrival came out, this was at the top of my Best Adaptation list. The imagery, the pacing…watching this was like being inside the author's idea of his story.
That said, the lax biometric security? Definitely a sin. And this vid was screaming for a Chris STOP SHOWING ME VOMIT sound bite.
WAIT if this video came out 4 minutes ago why does this comment say "7 hours ago"?????
19:15 Those look to me like hinged cupboard doors under the row of books, not panels.
And if the top is for displaying statues, residents don't need to reach up for it on any kind of frequent basis.
Always love seeing a Heavy Rain reference. SEAN!
JASON! J-SON! JAYYSON!
The question of why the locks aren’t changed after Anderton goes on the run has been asked elsewhere too. My thought is - one could imagine that (a) if they caught him, his eyes would be useless anyway as he’d be locked up, and they didn’t know he’d had his eyes swapped, and (b) if he was trying to get away from the station, it would be logical to ask why on earth he’d want to come back.
I love seeing one of my favorite movies pop up on here
Love the Heavy Rain clip at the very end 😄
My question is did John get his old eyes back or is he just Mr Yakamoto now?
I guess he's yakamoto in any scan of the eye's but still John Anderton in DNA life shit? Hope this helps you
The ice bath isn't meant to cool the body down. It acts the same as a Faraday cage for IR sensors.
There’s an orgy of evidence that we missed one of the easiest lay up jokes for the whole video lol
9:40 Well, considering they’re flying using jet packs at are show to BURN things around them, they probably don’t want to be too close to each other’s jet packs even if they are able to somehow crowd together.
Yet another "this hasn't been sinned yet?" video. And I agree this movie is gr8
Bonus points awarded for the Heavy Rain reference in the outtakes :)
I like how in 2054, people still carry "photos" on film paper, like the child abductor/murderer does. For some bizarre reason, photos in this distant future weren't stored on electronic devices like they are today. Even in 2002, when this film was released, very few people still walked around with paper photographs.
I imagine that there would still be some use of physical photos. Specifically by people keeping trophies.
What are you smoking? Paper photographs are still widely kept by people even now. Photos may be taken digitally now, but people still get some of their favorites printed out.
I would disagree. Camera phones were not even in the states until 2004 and digital recording devices were "potato cams" so the quality was terrible. People had plenty of paper photos in 2002 and still do 20 years later.
First off all digital cameras was super fucking expensive in 2002 so no not everyone had it.. Also many experienced like me that since all my high school photos and videos where digital and the cloud didn't exist are now gone forever so there's very much a chance paper will become the norm again.. Many photographers use it today, vinyl is back.. Digital is not the answer to everything
Beginning 2000 was the time digital camera sales surpassed the regular camera. And even with the digital cameras there were still many people who would still print out their pictures. So in 2002 there were defo still tonnes of people walking around with paper photographs.
8:53 They have the technology now to direct sound so that only one person can hear it. You don’t think in 30 years they’ll be able to automate it?
For me this movie died when Tom went back to pre-crime and used his own original eyeball to scan into the building, while being the most wanted guy in the universe, and then essentially flushes himself down the toilet with she-cog to escape successfully.
I work IT for a DOJ, all it takes is one person to not send an email for this to happen. Or an overworked IT guy that is it in his Todo list and decides it can wait till Friday.
I can't believe you have the "X Shaun" outtake in there. Amazing!
Keep up the awesome work! Love the channel!
He wasn't dropping his body temp. He was creating a "curtain " to block his body heat signature
Please please please do Leon
5:13 Fun fact. Collin Farrell grew up in Dublin. I guess that’s why the director chose Dublin in this dialogue.
So about hiding from heat sensors in an ice bath: even if you're body temp didn't change too much or fast, the sensors wouldn't be able to see it past the cold water
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, it's not about your body temp, it's about a few inches of water between you and the camera.
But that's not what they were going for, so the sin is valid
@@babytoshiro7014 "But that's not what they were going for"
Who? The script writers? The characters on screen? It isn't about whether his body temperature is lowered, it's about whether it's visible. The same effect could be achieved if you went into a thermally isolated box, say a walk in cooler or buried yourself in heavy thermal blankets. It's whether or not the SENSORS that are detecting the body heat can SEE any, and they can't if there is sufficient interference between you and the sensor.
Why? They could see through multiple walls. Why not water?
@@ThatMontmorency given the depth of sensor network they had, it's plausible the sensors were closer than having to look through that many walls. This is never stated, but given the wealth of surveillance tech they had, it could be common place and 'building code' to have it installed at least in the common spaces. Thus the sensors are not 'as sensitive as you think they are' to pass through so many walls and not water.
Also, to be fair, insulated walls in a house would block much of the infrared of individuals in a house too. It is unrealistic to believe that you can get a sci-fi heat map from OUTSIDE of where people are in a house through all the walls, insulated against the weather. It's CSI nonsense. Windows, however, may be a different matter.
5:58 Did he miss the whole thing about people swapping out their eyes to prevent getting eye-dent?
literally just saw the movie and this came out
I have been waiting for this video for years. Thank you!
I remember watching this film in school because of the plot😅
5:51 Buster Scruggs!
02:23 Also, a homicide _rate_ is not at all the same thing as _number_ of homicides, which is what that counter is presumably showing. A homicide _rate_ of 40-50 million? What does that even mean, given that the rate is normally given as homicides per 100,000? That there are exponentially more murders than there are people alive? It's a pretty stupid mistake for a movie trying to make the sci part of its sci-fi believable.
11:10 No, she’s saying that they sometimes see different possibilities.
Minority Report's biggest failure is assuming people would still be into malls in the future.
Bingo
Love the Shaun! Was first thing I thought when Tom yelled Sean!
I’m surprised he didnt mention that Anderton’s crime of passion was predicted as if it was premeditated. He definitely hadnt planned on killing crowe. Only decided to after seeing the fake pics of his son
👏👏 Never realized that. Cinema sins is really starting to slip. Huge plot hole that they referenced right as the pre vision started “I’m surprised anyone’s dumb enough to plan a murder.” But it wasn’t planned.
It has been forever since I've seen the movie, but here's what I remember: It's a crime of passion from John Anderton's point of view, but it's premeditated from Burgess's point of view. Burgess arranged a plan that would end with Crowe getting shot. For example, if I set up a convoluted plan that would end with Crowe being in a room with a hungry tiger two days from now, that would be a murder that was premeditated by me.
That would raise another issue, though -- using my explanation, the ball should have Burgess's name on it instead of John Anderton's name on it.
John says that he always dreamed of what he would do to the man who took his son : kill him. So it was premeditated murder, he was just waiting for 6 years to find the right guy.
Also, maybe the ball with the murderer's name was late to come out because the precogs were still trying to elude who was the real murderer between John and Lamar (since Lamar is the man who schemed all this). And at the end they went for John's name because they couldn't see far enough to have evidence against Lamar.
Every company I worked IT for immediately shuts off access for employees that are terminated
Tom’s real name is Thomas Mapother so technically his cousin is using the family name
He's legally changed his name. If you look up his pilot certificate it is in Tom Cruise. Those are in legal name only.
@@intorainbowzOG I know that’s his legal name now but Jeremy was curious why his cousin William Mapother doesn’t use the family name “Cruise” but the family is “Mapother”
Thank goodness I saw this movie and was obsessed and was just waiting for this video to come out, thank you so much
What I find more interesting, is how facial identity is not a thing, but retinal scans
I think in this future, it's easier to alter your face than it is to to switch eyes (Anderton only had to needle himself up). What am i saying, this is easier even in our time. Also some people look alike a lot. Retinal scans are probably more unique. Also also, people's facial features can change drastically overtime. Eyes cannot.
@@lucieb6309 Also makeup, don't forget makeup
3:59 *Colin Farrell character should work for Cinema Sins!* ding😂
I actually really enjoy this movie. Also didn't you already review this movie?
25:46 the cancer boy reference. Well done.
Braincandy is a must watch
You know, it just occurred to me, how Howard Marks “tried to kill” his wife because she was having an affair, but has it never occurred to everyone else that he tried to stab her for that reason? Besides they just Haloed him with that Mind Dream thing and they never interviewed him of WHY he did what he did.
@@finalfight505What’s that supposed to mean?
@@patrickspencer6550 , it's a bot. They reply to almost every comment on popular channels, like CinemaSins, with the same link to drive up traffic to a RUclips video/channel. Just report it.
I haven't seen this movie for a while.
But isn't Tom Cruise able to see the outcome from the crime, hence he knows its a murder.
@@hotkeyafl Well, he sees HOW it happens, not WHY.
@@patrickspencer6550 In this case they know why because Cruise got lucky seeing the other lover at the park.
It's not their job to find out why though, just when murders are occuring.
3:33 No, it WOULD be impossible to replace the ball, because these balls are scanned as soon as they're made and go down the ball chute. How could he possibly replace the ball with a fake, when the original one has already been scanned and is in their system?
I’m taking a sin off Jeremy for great use of the phrase “orgy of evidence” in the movie that INVENTED the phrase!*
*Or at the least, introduced it to a bunch of folx that never heard it before 😄
12:59 Don't know about you, but I only see ONE additional person on the entire edge of the pool. Reasonable in 16 seconds.
Also nice touch to put amble in there.