Darth Vader’s suit is not only outdated heavy and built to beep at ransoms times. It was also designed to be painful, stuffy, and easily compromised by electric shock. In total it was designed to be uncomfortable to sit still in, painful to move in by stabbing into him, difficult to operate, all so he would be constantly exhausted and in pain while never allowing him to fully sleep.
Darth Vader rebuilt his suit after fighting Jedi master Kirak Infil'a and he still made it suck on purpose In Lords of the Sith it's explained that Vader likes that his suit causes him pain since it fuels his anger and makes him stronger
His bias is ALWAYS showing. Complains about Force related feats being unrealistic while eating up ki related feats like goku overpowering time manipulation by flexing his ass cheeks full of god ki.
Unfortunately, Nux is not a very good powerscaler. Also his Zeus video sucks considering he used a crappy wiki instead of actual Greek sources and forgot to mention the fact that Zeus is indestructible by virtue of being a Greek god
I’m still hoping Nux watches Guts VS Dimitri. Not only is it an awesome episode in of itself, but it’s also significant as Fire Emblem’s very first showing in Death Battle.
Ngl it's really annoying for Nux to act like force feats don't count. Was it NOT still Vader who did those things? Also if you strip him of the force he literally has no actual powers, just his lightsaber, suit and skill. If you were to strip him of force powers you might as well strip Obito of everything except his weapon, outfit and skill too. How is it a fair fight if you give one their mystical powers that come from outside themselves but NOT the other? That's like having a battle with a Dragonball character then saying they can't use Ki or that Ki based attacks don't count because they're "not physical".
Yeah Vader can literally rip through dimensions & if you read the novels has power over a 4th dimentional plane of existence as well as many other things from the comics & legends
@@Lasthunterofagarthaas stated, the kamui realm is a place SPECIFICALLY, separated from other dimensions. As in there is absolutely no way someone even with dimension hopping powers can go. The only way you can go there is with the kamui sharingan, which is basically the only door. If darth Vader were to even someone rip the kamui dimension, where would that be? In the void of nothingness? It’s clearly not attached to other dimensions, so what’s beyond that? That would be the last mistake his miserable life would ever make.
9:23 It is called a preflex. Being given a little warning before an event occurs and reacting based on that is virtually indistinguishable from just having impossible reflexes, and in some instances better. Same with Spiderman's Spider sense.
also has to be taken into account that whether you see it coming or not is pointless when it moves that fast, youd still have to be fast enough to intercept it. unless you saw well into the future when at that point it doesnt matter how fast you are if you can see/sense that far into the future, cause at that point the fights already over.
If you read Thrawn Alliances it literally describes him seeing partly (at least a couple seconds) into the future then blocking the bullets using that information
@@BossWolfHomieG Like you said, it honestly depends on how large a window of warning your given but even a small window can be ridiculous. Think about it this way: no human is fast enough to dodge a bullet already flying at you, but if you can see a target where they point the muzzle...
@@joelsasmad yep theres a difference between seeing it and reacting fast enough to avoid it. seeing it happen before hand helps but if you arent able to avoid or stop it being pointed at you, unless you have the speed and reactions to evade seeing it coming only does so much, especially if they too have good speed and reactions
Take a clip of Nux complaining about the Force feats. Take a clip of Nux praising ki feats. Show them to him and he will probably say something like: "No see it's different because ki is a life force from goku's body so it's his power!" ...you mean like metachlorians?
@@lordjaraxxus5418force is born from pseudo sciency stuff bacteria Ki is born from confidence,strength of mind,body and soul, and faith... It is ironically far more mistical tham the force,even then it has far more moldable rules(the rules of ki are pretry much,you can just do whatever the fuck with itzeverything is possible)
While the force isn’t physical strength, they’re are those who are better at using it than others for physical reasons. It is literally stated that Anakin had more potential than Yoda because of his Midochlorian (forgive me if I spelt that wrong) count being higher. This makes it possible to scale feats between force users because there are those that are built different.
Not necessarily. It does have some actual implications. Precognition can be used offensively by just knowing how the enemy will defend themselves, whereas if you're not fast enough you can know something is coming and be unable to dodge it. Each one has diff upsides and downsides@@willowthompson9220
@@nightmarexgaming120 yes but Nux is thinking that lightspeed level reaction equals lightspeed level speed. It’s different. And while the force is able to boost physical abilities it is not to that point.
@@willowthompson9220much like how in jjk people like toji and maki can react to things much faster than thier actual speed due to precog it means they can defend against attacks that fast but can't dish them out as well
I tried reading about different Darth Lords apart from Vader by the nanosecond I was informed that his suit is essencialy a constant torture device to make him be at the peak of his rage all the time I put him permanently at No. 1
So one note, the Force does give Observation Haki in a sense, but it also physically boosts physical feats. Force Speed and Force Jump are powers where the user channels the Force into empowering themselves to achieve metahuman levels of feats like leaping over several stories, or running faster than Blaster Fire. So Vader does have Lightspeed options.
I mean the speed feat might be a valid callout because dodging aim and dodging a projectile is not the same thing, but in some cases the force feats that vader had should fully be usable ngl.
@@ello5018 Vader is one of the weakest Sith of all time. Put someone like Revan or Nihilus against Obito and Obito loses. But Vader has nothing in terms of strength or force abilities that would affect Obito
@@flappeercraft7979 It seems to be a recurring theme in these. Especially in the Superman vs Goku reaction. Almost every feat mentioned for Superman, Nux was all "no, no, no, you can't take that seriously" It definitely feels like since he is coming into these with a bias for who should win, he is just not wanting it to actually be a fairly researched fight so his guy can win.
He goes off opinion not feats and scaling He’s one of those that think power scaling is dumb But still say this character win because I feels like it Edited: honestly ignore this, went on a weird rant
The force does help in figuring out where a laser blast will hit, however, Vader has piloted a star destroyer in hyper space while barely using the force to help him see the future, so he's at least around at light speed. Also, the force is a living creature, and in those comics you mentioned, it's stated by the force that Vader literally can not die unless he kills palpatine. The Force itself admited to giving Vader plot armor, and not only that, but the force itself created an illusionary world for Vader that he broke out of, Vader broke out of infinite power and a perfect illusion. The comics for Star Wars go absolutely wild at times. I should also mention that the average human in star wars is capable of dodging lasers, according to the guide books the blaster do shoot at light speed, so if Han Solo can dodge light, surely Vader can. But also, not only has Vader broken out of something akin to infinite tsukiyomi, according to the wiki Obito can't even use Infinite tsukiyomi.
Except the only thing that ever resisted the Infinite Tsukuyomi was Sasuke's Rinne-Sharingan, something that doesn't exist in the world of Star Wars. If everyone in Star Wars can react at lightspeed then how come Order 66 was so effective against literal masters of the Force? Vader is a powerhouse but Obito's arsenal was just too vast for him to handle. Like, he had no counter against the Truth-Seeker Orbs, Kamui, and Obito's Instant Regeneration
Literally man, Obito is broken but not against Vader. Death battle didn't do the research on this one because that version of Obito shouldn't have access to that power anyway, I bet if we're Madara they would had have him transform into Kaguya out of nowhere and make Vader teleport to another dimension. Vader is cold he doesn't give chances to anyone, only those that reminds him from his past but he ends up killing them on the spot.Obito would die with force choke 100% if his brain ain't working there's no way he's coming back.
@@johndywick179 I get that you really like Vader but the glazing has got to stop, my guy. Vader would lose a battle of attrition against someone with nigh infinite health like Obito. Not to mention that the Infinite Tsukuyomi feat on Obito is valid as Madara literally taught him the Jutsu. Kabuto resurrecting Madara was never included in their grand plan but if things all went accordingly to their initial scheme it would've been Obito casting the Infinite Tsukuyomi just like how Madara wanted him to. And also, Force Choking? Really? Against a guy whose biggest gimmick is phasing?
Your point about the force giving Vader precognition to block the attack is really up to interpretation, since we don't know how far into the future Vader can see/be told. If it told him where the bullet was after it was fired then yes that's a lightspeed feat. If it told him before the bullet was fired then it's not a lighspeed feat.
Can't people also use the force to increase their speed and abilities? I know Yoda does it to leap around and move better, but I can't remember if Vader himself does it as well. I'm sure he could since he uses the force to walk or move in his armor at times.
@@ItWasJohnYT Yes they can, but considering there's an infinite amount of the force (at least i'm pretty sure that's the case) any speed or strength feat with the force might as well be a normal stat
to explain force precog, most force users can predict where attacks will come from based on the movements of the opponent, some can see the future during combat but I believe that's one in a million, vader has been shown to boost his speed and strength to extreme degrees though so he also has that.
didn't anakin see padme dying like at least a week before it happened? like without meditation and everything also anakin's precognition was explained by quigon as "seeing things before they happen" so it's probably not based off of just observing appointments since it was talked about in a pod racing conversation
I mean even if it WAS the force, who cares? You've still gotta give Vader whatever powers of the force he's been shown to use or else he LITERALLY has nothing else except his suit and lightsaber, and of course his natural skill.
@@thelordofthewest7781 He wasn't being empowered by The Father, and in the new Ahsoka Show we can see him manipulating reality as Anakin in balance, even if Vader is only half of that power, he's still far more powerful than Obito is, but Obito has busted regeneration which allows him to win.
funny thing is, vader HAS broken free from a infinite tsukuyomi-esk illusion. i believe it was early on in his career, palpatine sent him to find a kyber crystal and overpower it. the crystal he found gave him a vision on a what if scenario of him doing things right. however, Vader's rage was too great and he overpowered the illusion.
Infinite Tusukuyomi is a Different thing. It doesn't just Trap you it will make you Believe that this is the True Reality. Basically you will completely Forgot about your Previous Life. Basically Vader won't even be able to remember that he was Actually Evil. And the Worst Part is that even if somehow you manage to Figure it out that you are Actually Stuck in a Dream world. You cannot do anything about it Because the Dream will just Start over again And again. Even if you Break out of it you will instantly be sent back into the Dream world again.
@@HYPERMAN__ That sounds gay as hell. "It's an ability that traps your mind in an inescapable illusion, and even if you do have a clever way to escape it, you actually didn't." An actual powergamer child wrote this power. This is some of that playground refuses to lose bullshit. The moment any character has a power that needs to specify "This power can't be countered, even by things that specifically can counter it," then the character should lose before the fight begins.
@@pattycake520 The Entire point of using Infinite Tukoyomi is to Secure an Instant win. Don't forget Infinite Tukoyomi is *NOT* something Normal or a Casual Ability that you can use whenever you want. It Seriously Consumes a *TON* of Chakara Energy to use. And can ONLY be performed on a Planetary Scale. The only Way to Survive against this Ability is to Be Completely IMMUNE to all Illusions. And even then it's NOT that Simple Because you have to be Immune from the Starting. Because let's just say you got Stuck inside Infinite Tukoyomi and After that you realise that you are in A dream world, Now it's meaningless you cannot get out. Basically if you get in You cannot get out. You are stuck there Permanently only someone else can get you out if he also possesses the Same Infinite Tukoyomi ability The only way to Survive is to NOT get inside the Infinite Tukoyomi in the first place.
@@pattycake520basically it would send you back to infinite tsukyumi because the sharingan looking moon is still there if you turn it back to normal then you'll be free but vader couldn't just destroy it fast enough to not get trapped
Honestly, I was really hoping that just before Obito swung the DNA sword, the suit would beep and enrage Vader enough to break through the Infinite Tsukuyomi...
@@KokoroSan96 I also blame their on screen mention of vader giving into temptation at 32:01 on screen for why that didn't happen (it is blocked by twitch chat partially).
This! Imagine fighting a guy who dared to mindtrick you twice about your dead wife. He would break out of Infinite Tsukuyomi by killing Padme again and then charging at Obito who would be all ''nani!'' mode.
Alright, no hate, but isn’t saying that Vader’s feats are not applicable because he’s using the Force instead of his own physical strength the same as saying that Obito’s feats are not applicable because he’s using chakra instead? It’s like saying that Gandalf - a wizard - using magic shouldn’t count towards his feats. But magic is a legitimate part of his arsenal, just like the Force is for Vader and chakra is for Obito.
That's what I'm saying. Or to give another example that's like saying half of any DBZ characters feats don't count cause they're ki based which technically isn't their own strength. It's ridiculous in that case cause you'd be taking away literally any energy attack or basically anything except hand to hand brawling and pure skill.
You are absolutely right. If it's a tool he can use whenever he wants, then it's a feat that he's capable of and is worth mentioning. Nux is just flat out wrong when he tries to seperate the force from Vader's capabilities.
@@gamemeister2905Ki is their actual life force though, so it's not the same. It would be like saying Naruto can't use nature chakra in a death battle but he can use his own chakra or Kuramas. If his own chakra, Kuramas chakra and sage mode count in a death battle, so should the force.
One was a literal child lacking almost all of his powers. The other was an arguably stronger version of himself. Obviously it has nothing to do with the actual matchup though.
Nux the jedi regularly use the force to augment their physical ability force speed, for instance, can allow a jedi to move so fast that it will appear as though the jedi telephoned
The thing about sith that they're very myopic about, is that they can use ALL emotions to channel the force. Sith end up using rage and hatred as their point of force channeling because they are theologically opposed to the beliefs of the jedi, who believe in supressing their emotions and using cold logic to make desicions. The sith only lose because they tunnel vision to power, when they could be so much more powerful. Joy, happiness, sorrow, love are all on the table for sith to use.
Even if you know where you're gonna be shot at, It doesn't mean you can dodge from that knowing that something is going to happen and being quick enough to react to it are totally different skills What's the point of knowing that a laser as fast as the light is about to hit you if you're not fast enough to react to it? Even if you can see the future, being able to react to something like that it's still a HUGE feat of reaction speed
Not really though. It depends how far you can see into the future and how Vader's clairvoyance works. If he can see even five seconds into the future it means that he had five full seconds to raise his hand and block that laser beam. If that's the case giving him light-speed reflexes for that is not at all accurate. That being said I'm not a huge fan of Star Wars so I'm not really sure how Vader's clairvoyance works. If he can sense attacks .1 seconds before or if his clairvoyance works only AFTER the laser has already been shot then that feat definetly counts.
Case and point: the original Spider-Man movie Green Goblin tries to sneak attack Spider-Man with his glider, but he dodges it, Goblin sees it, but can't do anything about it except "oh..."
The one thing I don't agree with is how in Vader's feats they included him bodying both The Daughter and The Son. For those not in the know, those two are the physical manifestations of the Light and Dark sides of the Force. That is a Universe-scale feat which trumps *everything* in Naruto (or Borito) and it gets completely glossed over by the analysis.
The place amps him significantly thats basically him at full potential otherwise he wouldnt be able to do that. Hed literally be unstoppable on the movies and shows if that was his actual power scale hed never lose to obi wan.
@@cngotham4111 But the fact is that IS his full potential, and not specifically tied to that place. That place just shows off his full potential in a vacuum before he actually achieves it later, which would make him actually have closer to that level of power by the time he becomes Vader. Now, is it possible his full potential was missed because Anakin went full dark side instead of finding a proper balance? That's a potential, but fact remains that Anakin does indeed have a universe-scale feat in his bag of tricks. For instance, if Vader could trick the infinite tsukuyomi into placing him in 'that place' he could theoretically manifest enough force to both break the tsukuyomi and to annihilate obito at once.
And for everyone saying that anakin got a boost there, the force gods also would of gotten a boost so anakin still would have been better then them elsewhere
@@ShaggyDabbyDank and even then, Vader never got there because he was too cocky against an opponent who had the high ground and wanting to use his opponent's own move against him.
Vader according to lore has some pretty crazy feats Nux. Like in the movies the blaster laser may seem slow but they are actually light speed and well it could just snowball from there
Force effect (on reflexes and such) depends on the user, for some they get vague inclinations of a direction to avoid, some see entire battles before they happen, some basically go demon hunter and follow the string, and some boost both their actual mind and senses, then stack on precognition… so… basically the better the jedi you are the stronger the effects you bring to bear. Oh, also, its cannon that the force gives actual plot armor to those it favors… like measurable levels of luck realignment.
Nux i’m sorry I have to tell you this but the force is actually alive! it is also weirdly sentient that if someone you it against it’s will it will corrupt that someone mind body and soul.
Yeah without the regeneration I could honestly see Vader winning this after tearing out his eye. The rinnegan is still absurd but a good portion of the things Vader would need to fear outside of pure firepower are granted by the sharingan.
If they count Obito's basically God form they should also count Darth Vader's god form from the comics when he became one with the dark side, I think, because I remember he had a transformation.
10:46 Vader Simultaneously controlled The Son and The Daughter. They are the living embodiment of the force. Both light and Dark sides. Universal beings brought to their knees by Vader alone. And in one of the comics he used the force to open a portal to another dimension, and become a being that controlled space and time. "It tool prep." So did six path and ten tail. Nux Do a power scaling for Vader I need to know more on why you say Vader gets clapped. Then again you are the king of flexing so who knows.
The suit is even worse then they mentioned. That thing keeps him alive but also causes a massive amount of pain preventing him from healing and being able to focus properly. Focus is huge for the force so .. rip anakin
Classicman D did a Video short of debunking Darth Vader vs Obito. Showing proof of why Vader should have won against Obito. I personally don't like the Death Battle, if you like it, so be it, but people keep on ignoring or getting information wrong about these two. -Obito don't have access to the 10 tails. If he did, he would have summoned it out of the Reanimated Hokage's trap or out of the hole that the Shinobi alliance made. -Vader bring down two universal being down to the ground, by using the force. Obito have done nothing like that. -Vader have quicker reactions speed and would have use the force to crush Obito's eyes.(Which they show doing during the battle) No, Obito can't react that fast, if he did he would have destroyed the Rinnegan before Madara react him. Minato proof that if Obito can't react fast enough, he can get hurt. When use the flying Raigin to slash Obito's body. -Ten Tail Obito isn't a form that Obito can access. Giving him that form is getting outside help, which is against their rules.
The problem with Classicman D's video is that he gave out some misinformation about Vader. Don't know about Obito but in Vader's case, the feats he gave (like the Dark Dimension form with its "universal level" feats). Is not standard to him. Not only does it require being in a specific location, it's also featless. All those feats happens in a dream and Vader cannot bring out that form in his own. Honestly, Classicman D is not the best guy when it comes to Powerscaling. It's okay to hold opinion but I won't hold his argument as definitely since I have my own disagreement towards his many argument just like how he has with Death Battle.
@@KarpSplash Obito's feat and transformation wasn't standard for him either. Yet, Death Battle give a pass for Obito. That form of Darth Vader and his universal feats are canon to the franchise and Vader in that form was dub the strongest (By the writers of the comic and within the comic itself.). Vader should have won.
@@hiitsalex6780 still not something available to him. At least in Obito's case the Ten Tail was something he got to keep once he obtained it. The same can't be said for Dark Dimension Vader who he cannot access anytime he wants and whose feats only exist in a dream, essentially featless. So if Vader was to win, it would be for other reasons not that featless form.
@@KarpSplash Vader without his God form was able to use the force to donated two living embodiment of the force. Who are scale to universal. If Vader can do that in a normal form, what stopping people from assuming he can do more in a more powerful form. For the Obito's access to the Ten Tail, just because he got access to it once, doesn't mean he have access to it all the time. To summon something in Naruto, the summon creature need to match the Chakra level of the user(Which is shown during Naruto summoning training with Jiraya.) Obito needed lots of time and access to Hashirama cell and Rinnegan to summon it at that point. So, again if Vader can't access his God form, then Obito shouldn't access his Ten Tail form.
@@illumi9044I wouldn't even say it's really outside help either because he obtained the power himself. That's like saying Goku doesn't get SSJG because he originally did a ritual to obtain it
27:31 this right here is where the animator fucked up. Lightsabers are not steel swords, they are plasma blades. That stab should be cauterizing Obito's insides. So with that said, how is Obito coughing out blood anyway? If Vader at least punched Obito or physically crushed his chest with his mechanical hands to cause internal bleeding, I would believe that, but a lightsaber stab doesn't ever cause blood to spill or someone to cough out blood.
So about the moon thing, as far as I'm aware one's ability to do anything with the force is dependent on the strength of one's connection to the force. In so that if you're will/connection is good enough, size itself loses meaning (hence the meaning behind that iconic phrase). So I think it makes sense to calculate that stuff, because I don't think all Jedi or even force users are made equal (because otherwise, what was Obi Wan's excuse for not hurling starships at people? Or any of the other Jedi during the golden age when shit hit the fan?)
3:00 he was in fact not an orphan, his mother only died when he was an adult, and his father was literally the force, so he didn’t have a physical father.
But what about the time he brought two universal beings to their knees in the clone wars show (the son and the daughter) and god vader from the comics?
@@thelordofthewest7781 he was not empowered (inpower isn't a word) by the father. if he had been empowered by the father, the father wouldn't have been able to act. not to mention the whole point of anakin being on that planet was to take the fathers place because he was already stronger than the father when he was in balance. fucking hell dude, go watch the episode again.
@@NoESanityanakin was most definitely amped during that episode other wise obi wan even training and having thr best defense still would be killed by anakin in seconds. Him making them bow was basically showing anakin at his full potential.
@@cngotham4111 you don't get the point of the duel in episode 3. no one questions that if Anakin had just force crushed obi wan he would be dead. not only did lucas say that would happen, that was done debated and answered by the community back in the 90s. the duel with obiwan, the one where anakin lost was anakin attempting to recruit obiwan. he was showing him that he learned everything from him, knew his style and his methods so perfectly that obiwan had no chance and would be forced to join him or die. anakin just got cocky. he lost because he was stronger than obiwan, so while he was fucking around obiwan wasn't.
@NoESanity I'm sorry if he actually had the power to make literally God's kneel then him being cocky during the battle or not he'd still easily demolish obi wan. And he wasn't trying to recruit obi wan that makes no sense if your looking at all the moves anakin was doing those where all death kills. Also when both used the force at the same time they both flew back again someone who could make God's kneel are not getting pushed back by obi wan. Thr planet gave anakin a huge Amp and basically made him at his full potential. The father wanted to see what anakin at his full potential would do to the son and daughter was the whole point.
The fight was great and all but the parts that gave me chills is wen Nux pauses and goes "OH MY GOD!" or "That's so fucking cool I'm ngl" and just Nux perving over the fight in general😂❤ this is how I watch Death Battles from now onwards 😁👍
If you can see into the future to react to light speed attacks, the result is the same as reacting to it quickly. Also, why is calculating the strength of feats using the force invalid to you? Just because it isn't physical strength? Obito still should win this imo but I don't get the denial of all vader's calculated feats
They completely understated how miserable Vader's suit is. Aside from beeping to annoy him, it was practically a walking iron maiden. And he used that pain to channel his power.
remember that time vader spoke to a admiral and told him to pick a time. place. and prepare as much as he wants. and try to kill him. and the dude picked one of the most dangerous planets. 15 some of the most dangerous bounty hunters. and the fight ended in a draw on the 9th day i think. (maybe the hunt went on longer. i forget how long it was) with vader dying and the admiral nearly voice chocked to death. after that. the two have had mutual respect for each other. also none of the bounty hunters made it
Honestly, Obito didn’t even need to pull out Infinite Tsukuyomi just to beat Vader. 1. Obito powerful enough and fast enough to speed blitz Vader. Long before Vader can even react 2. If you really wanna wank Vader (for whatever reason) and say he can indeed keep up with Obito. Well, none of that means sh*t when Obito can just whip out the Truth Seeking Orbs. They can only be countered with Six Paths Power and Senjutsu. And Vader is nighter.
One thing people forget is that Vader can without a doubt read Obito's every thought and even Obito's movement it even happens due Obito not having ability to shield his mind. Whatever Obito tries to plan up vader will just counter it before it ever happens. It's very looked over by death battle however unfortunately. You could say Obito can see through Vader's movement too but nowhere near the same league due to Vader being able to read his actual thoughts.
Lots of other things Vader can do was looked over Plus Vader doesn't have chakra paths so the sharingan shouldn't even work & Vader could break out of the kamui since he has broken out of dimemtions before & he has mind protection do to the force too & the force is alive too if your stripped of the force enough you could possibly die
@@Lasthunterofagartha Obito has the Rinnegan meaning he can read more than Chakra paths. Also the dimensions Vader was trapped in still technically had the force around him. Kamui I imagine wouldn't and ultimately just depends if Vader could escape or survive using the remaining Force within himself to do so.
@@tempest8746 well Vader being born of the force would probably have enough force left to break out of the dimemtion then & didn't know the rinnegan could still work without chakra paths my bad Also how does it read things exactly?
@@Lasthunterofagartha I mean that's only theoretical not factual we'll only include what they're capable of based on the feats they have. The Rinnegan can read alot more than the Sharingan since it's a higher form of it for example the uchiha stone tablet while you can read it with Sharingan you can read the true meaning of it if you had the Rinnegan. Then there's also the fact that it can see alternative dimensions. See mircro organisms including Midichlorians. Which would help it detect the force better since the Rinnegan could see other signs of energy not just Chakra.
Just pointed out, they had Obi-wan beat Kakashi and in that they attributed to Obi-wan the ability to use the force to destroy entire planets. George Lucas has outright said that full power Vader/Anakin is the strongest force user to ever exist. Meanwhile, they are scaling Vader to a weaker level here to give the fight to Obito. I'm not even a bug Star Wars guy but make it make sense.
So like here’s the thing. 1 why does it matter if a “reaction” feat is bolstered by precognition. In the end he reacted to an attack the speed of light. Now if the opponent has a counter to negate it then I could see a point, or if the boost is temporary or limited then also point had. But Vader always has the force at his side. Also the strength feat of moving moons is also valid. Sure it isn’t physical arm strength but that level of power is at his disposal. It would be disingenuous to not take it into consideration. And secondly about the “artistic interpretation” argument. The moment you start taking that into account the calculations become meaningless because I could say that the punch clash between goku and the destruction god is creative interpretation and thus shouldn’t be considered at all. Nah he only has the strength to push a small suv like in original dragon ball. Whether or not it was creative interpretation or the writer wanting a cool scene, the moment you add it to the story that is canon. Love the videos but I feel like you are barking up the wrong tree from time to time. Not always and the fact you have done your own research is admirable. But they really should l, almost have to, keep any potential bias out of it because then this whole series would fall apart.
The Rinnegan's ability to rip out people's souls can be resisted also Nature Energy is literally the Force so Vader should have been able to use it to block and possibly destroy the Truth Seeking Orbs also the Juubi is a mindless beast so Vader would have been able to control it via the Force
The ninjas in Naruto have no Midi-Chlorians for any Force-user to highjack so Vader is completely vulnerable to Chakra and Nature Energy. Obito has complete control over the Ten-Tails via physical tethering and becoming its Jinchuuruki. Vader will always lose to Obito due to his lack of regenerative abilities.
i saw a comment on the original on how tsukoyomi basically gave vader back everything he wanted, his body padme and her love, essentially robbing him of all his hatred. which would leave him without the force.
Vader died by losing his hand and getting hit with a little lightning. Hes not fast enough to cordage anything of Juubito’s abilities either. These Star Wars cucks are always too big for their britches.
9:32 it’s a bit of both which is a bit of a cop out there are force abilities that can boost one’s reflexes and natural speed as well as all of the premonition stuff. In this case you are right about it.
I'm happy to see Nux's reaction to this episode, cause even though I'm totally biased, this is still my favorite episode of the season. I really appreciate how they handled Vader in the fight being this nearly unstoppable moving force, and I always love when Death Battle does emotional/mercy kills. This was Devilartemis' last Death Battle fight animation in his style before moving to Blender for Frieza vs Megatron, and just like that fight, he absolutely killed it with this one. But yeah, been loving Nux's reaction to Death Battle and would gladly like to see more, maybe clean up with the rest of the season like Cole Vs Alex, Chosen Undead vs Dragonborn, and Guts Vs Dimitri. Don't know if he's interested in the other non-anime Death Battles, but going back to see other fights from the last seasons like Saitama vs. Popeye, Sauron vs Lich King, and many more Edit: Oh, I also would LOVE to see his reaction to Obi-Wan vs Kakashi
Nux had fun with the episode and that's the real important stuff. If that's all you care about, that's awesome. I agree and that's all I can ask. That said.... I know everyone else in the comments has harped on this, but yeah, I can definitely feel the bias coming from Nux this episode. Also, for doing his own research, he seems to fundamentally misunderstand what the Force actually does, how the Sith work, and basic knowledge about the comics. I do agree (marginally) with some of the inconsistent feats he brought up, but most aren't that drastically impossible for Vader when you take the whole scope of Star Wars canon into account. Not to mention, treating the Force like its somehow separate from Vader's feats while treating something like chakra as totally fine is just cherry-picking. I doubt he's gonna see any of our comments, but I do hope he gets better with this since I think the idea of him doing his own research and then reacting is a really good idea. Other than that, I'm not too upset, Nux clearly had a good time and its always fun to see him lose it watching Death Battle's best fights. And before any of you start going off about how Vader should've won, from what I've seen, it's not that clear cut and I definitely can see Obito winning this. And even if Vader does win, its not because of that jank-ass Dark Side Dream form he got. And before any of you reply about *that* , watch Nemesis Bloodryche's video on the subject.
My brother in christ, physical strength isn't the only factor. Strength in the force is still legitimate strength that should be considered for a death battle.
Also, when it comes to reaction times, yes force users have light speed reaction. Yes, they do basically have observation haki with the force, but regardless of detecting an attack incoming, they still need to move their bodies fast enough to capitalize. Just face it. Naruto power scaling cannot keep up with star wars.
Nux already pauses a lot so he should really read those black boxes. They mention that Obito apparently lost the ability to phase with Kamui likely due to his body's Ninjutsu immunity. They also mention other characters with lightspeed feats for both Vader and Obito. Among many other things.
Yet, Madara stole Kakashi eye and with just his upper body able to use kamui. I’m telling you, Obito would have been the big bad if given all his powers at his apex. Ten tails jinchuriki with both kamui and susanoo with Hashirama cells!
Bro, Vader went through a familiar scenario with having the faje opportunity to live kut his dream life, at least twice, but didn't succumb to them in the comics
Al tho the fight would end in obitos favor, i dont think trapping him in the infinet jutsu would have been the kill move, Vadar has been in that seat before, during one of the comics he gets to explore a path in where he rejects his current possition, slays the emperor and atones for his crimes, but he rejects that reality beacuse as stated "There is nothing he hates more, then himself" vader cant allow himself to be happy.
About the Sith, by nature they are evil & greedy thus will overthrow each other when they have the chance. It's one of the reasons the ancient never conquered the galaxy. Darth Bane create the Rule of 2, there can only be 2 Siths at a time: the master & the apprentice(and a bunch of weak dark side minions). The master need an heir so won't kill the apprentice(as long as he remain worthy) & the apprentice won't kill the master(until he learn everything)-> the Sith survie & become stronger & stronger(because each generation surpass & kill their master)
Remember that Guts has been in Death Battle twice, once against Nightmare from soul calibur, and once against generic character from game that sponsored the episode. Cant wait to see Nux on those.
"Kamui made Obito extremely difficult to touch". No. Kamui makes Obito IMPOSSIBLE to touch. I'm happy with the outcome, but boy do they lowball Obito to make this even slightly close.
9:57 No, that's been an Expected Outcome of the Sith Dynamic; due to horrible infighting, the sith mad The Rule Of Two: That there would only ever be Two sith; A master and an apprentice. Only when the Apprentice had Surpassed the Master would they defeat their master and begin raising an apprentice of their own. This is an eventuality all sith that abide by The Rule Of Two are aware of.
It's also why the Sith lords were way more powerful then most Jedi. The Master knows their Apprentice will try and kill them; And they do everything to stop that, but eventually the Apprentice would be strong enough to kill their master. This assures that the Siths are gradually becoming stronger than the previous generation.
Obito is capable of using the Infinite Tsukuyomi as Madara taught it to him prior to his death. Their original plan was for Obito to use the Infinite Tsukuyomi but Kabuto threw a wrench in that by resurrecting Madara as a bargaining chip prior to the start of the war.
@@thelordofthewest7781 ok even if we don't use that there are a large number of other things they neglected on the list of balls dropped by db this is up in the top 10
19:36 Madara canonically casted the infinite tsukuyomi. He won in that instant. nothing else after that moment was reality, it was all in somebody's mind inside the infinite tsukuyomi. Black zetsu betrayal, kaguya, boruto ... none of them were ever real. they were all part of somebody's happy ending
You cannot say that FanFiction theory is Canon and get away with It If Its an perfect Future to stop someone from escaping,then Just fucking explain all the suffering which comes later
@@Jpx0999 Itachi used the normal tsukuyomi on the love of his life to give her an entire life of happiness and enable her to die of old age in the single second of its use. Which is more believable? Characters escape from an inescapeable illusion, undermine their own redemption arcs for no reason decades later, the world is suddenly under attack form planet destroying aliens and these ninjas are not only expected to defeat them, but also do it for the coin of the avg joe who cant lift a 50kg rock off the ground. Or A legendary Ninja hyped for the entire storyline as the strongest ninja to ever exist, managed to successfully cast a jutsu known to put everybody under an inescapeable permanent illusion? "explain all the suffering as if that would enable people to break out from an inescapable genjutsu????? Its inescapable. Nothing you do from inside it can get you out, you need help from outside. That has been established hundreds of times. We are canonically through the canonical world building, still stuck in infinite tsukuyomi with no way to get out. Boruto is better than Disney Star Wars canon. But that doesnt give it the right to degrade/backpeddle its own established canon either
So, not so much in disney’s New lore, but, different light saber cores actually do have different effects, and one thing that they failed to touch on is that Vader actually kept a few unique trophies from his kills, in particular, one lightsaber that would, had he used it, caused any wound upon the enemy’s soul to be eaten away, at the expense of it slowly burning his own lifeforce down, permanently reducing his connection to the force (and thus why he never used it in-canon, because he never faced a true threat while it was on him)
Yes it's one sided Slaughter in the favor of Vader he Solos all of Naruto with a force fart because multiple versions of him are outer. Death battle really butchered this match up like they do about 60% of the time.
Ok kid, What the Hell does Outer even Means ?..... Just Go Away kid, no Star Wars Character can even Surpass Universal, because all of Star Wars Happens in the Same Universe.....
@@darkstar_xd well,in legends there are characters that exist outside the realm of reality and even exist outside the edges of the universe,Abeloth to give an example. Unfortunately she isn't canon and was defeated by Luke so using her for a feat would not work at all lol
Unless of course, If you Say ""Galaxy Far Far Away"" counts as a Diferent Universe, then I am gonna Laugh at your face, because a Galaxy is Dust Compared to a Universe 😂
Nux. This is why people love Mace Windu. The Grey Jedi say the Dark Side isn't an enemy, but just another facet of the Force to use for the good of the Galaxy.
grey jedi are not canon or legend. , windu was not a grey jedi, windu did not believe the dark side "was not the enemy" in fact he was specifically trained to be a jedi version of judge dredd specifically sent on missions to kill witches, dark jedi, and sith. he literally became a jedi master because he killed more dark jedi than any other jedi in history, to include during the during the sith wars.
Darth Vader’s suit is not only outdated heavy and built to beep at ransoms times. It was also designed to be painful, stuffy, and easily compromised by electric shock. In total it was designed to be uncomfortable to sit still in, painful to move in by stabbing into him, difficult to operate, all so he would be constantly exhausted and in pain while never allowing him to fully sleep.
All that only made Vader stronger
PAIN+DARK SIDE=POWER
The beat part is initially this was a punishment and sidiois would eventually see vader worthy of upgrading his suit, but he would refuse.
Darth Vader rebuilt his suit after fighting Jedi master Kirak Infil'a and he still made it suck on purpose
In Lords of the Sith it's explained that Vader likes that his suit causes him pain since it fuels his anger and makes him stronger
It's only a debuff to train his abilities tho. Vader with a nap and no suit would be apocalyptic.
Nux: Vader lost to hot rocks meanwhile Obito lost to a not hot Rock
Facts💀
That was baby Obito lol 😂
also my thoughts.
Obito lost to a hot goddess
He lost because he was to arrogant which lead to him burning
Oh no Nux is slowly becoming a power scaler without realizing it and Saitama vs Popeye is surprisingly really good
He legit just did a real power scaling video of Zeus
@@thelordofthewest7781 I know and enjoyed that video a lot
His bias is ALWAYS showing.
Complains about Force related feats being unrealistic while eating up ki related feats like goku overpowering time manipulation by flexing his ass cheeks full of god ki.
Ahahahahahah!
Unfortunately, Nux is not a very good powerscaler. Also his Zeus video sucks considering he used a crappy wiki instead of actual Greek sources and forgot to mention the fact that Zeus is indestructible by virtue of being a Greek god
I’m still hoping Nux watches Guts VS Dimitri. Not only is it an awesome episode in of itself, but it’s also significant as Fire Emblem’s very first showing in Death Battle.
@@gilbertotabares8196 True, but SHH
@@gilbertotabares8196 U just spoiled the ending lmao
oh dimitri from 3 houses
@@KazumiKunWhoops. Think he'll still watch it if I delete my comment?
Nah, Popeye vs. Saitama. While the voice acting is hit or miss, the writing is amazing.
Ngl it's really annoying for Nux to act like force feats don't count. Was it NOT still Vader who did those things? Also if you strip him of the force he literally has no actual powers, just his lightsaber, suit and skill. If you were to strip him of force powers you might as well strip Obito of everything except his weapon, outfit and skill too. How is it a fair fight if you give one their mystical powers that come from outside themselves but NOT the other?
That's like having a battle with a Dragonball character then saying they can't use Ki or that Ki based attacks don't count because they're "not physical".
He is kinda ignorant not gonna lie
@@cotocoyerakson8195MAD ignorant yeah
Yeah Vader can literally rip through dimensions & if you read the novels has power over a 4th dimentional plane of existence as well as many other things from the comics & legends
@@Lasthunterofagarthaas stated, the kamui realm is a place SPECIFICALLY, separated from other dimensions. As in there is absolutely no way someone even with dimension hopping powers can go. The only way you can go there is with the kamui sharingan, which is basically the only door. If darth Vader were to even someone rip the kamui dimension, where would that be? In the void of nothingness? It’s clearly not attached to other dimensions, so what’s beyond that? That would be the last mistake his miserable life would ever make.
@@sugardady1019 well, that ability would be classified as a pocket dimension
9:23 It is called a preflex. Being given a little warning before an event occurs and reacting based on that is virtually indistinguishable from just having impossible reflexes, and in some instances better. Same with Spiderman's Spider sense.
also has to be taken into account that whether you see it coming or not is pointless when it moves that fast, youd still have to be fast enough to intercept it. unless you saw well into the future when at that point it doesnt matter how fast you are if you can see/sense that far into the future, cause at that point the fights already over.
@@BossWolfHomieG Also, he doesn't seem to understand that even if it was the Force alone, Vader can still use the force in the fight.
If you read Thrawn Alliances it literally describes him seeing partly (at least a couple seconds) into the future then blocking the bullets using that information
@@BossWolfHomieG Like you said, it honestly depends on how large a window of warning your given but even a small window can be ridiculous. Think about it this way: no human is fast enough to dodge a bullet already flying at you, but if you can see a target where they point the muzzle...
@@joelsasmad yep theres a difference between seeing it and reacting fast enough to avoid it. seeing it happen before hand helps but if you arent able to avoid or stop it being pointed at you, unless you have the speed and reactions to evade seeing it coming only does so much, especially if they too have good speed and reactions
Take a clip of Nux complaining about the Force feats.
Take a clip of Nux praising ki feats.
Show them to him and he will probably say something like: "No see it's different because ki is a life force from goku's body so it's his power!"
...you mean like metachlorians?
if ki is made in the mitochondria (or a similar sub sell structure), then yes. (metachlorians are the force version of mitochondria).
@@lordjaraxxus5418no they’re not. At all.
@@lordjaraxxus5418force is born from pseudo sciency stuff bacteria
Ki is born from confidence,strength of mind,body and soul, and faith... It is ironically far more mistical tham the force,even then it has far more moldable rules(the rules of ki are pretry much,you can just do whatever the fuck with itzeverything is possible)
While the force isn’t physical strength, they’re are those who are better at using it than others for physical reasons. It is literally stated that Anakin had more potential than Yoda because of his Midochlorian (forgive me if I spelt that wrong) count being higher. This makes it possible to scale feats between force users because there are those that are built different.
Also while seeing the future technically means he doesn’t have super reflexes, it still has the same end effect. It can be forgiven if they mix it up.
@@willowthompson9220doesn’t the force grant both
Not necessarily. It does have some actual implications. Precognition can be used offensively by just knowing how the enemy will defend themselves, whereas if you're not fast enough you can know something is coming and be unable to dodge it. Each one has diff upsides and downsides@@willowthompson9220
@@nightmarexgaming120 yes but Nux is thinking that lightspeed level reaction equals lightspeed level speed. It’s different. And while the force is able to boost physical abilities it is not to that point.
@@willowthompson9220much like how in jjk people like toji and maki can react to things much faster than thier actual speed due to precog it means they can defend against attacks that fast but can't dish them out as well
I tried reading about different Darth Lords apart from Vader by the nanosecond I was informed that his suit is essencialy a constant torture device to make him be at the peak of his rage all the time I put him permanently at No. 1
So one note, the Force does give Observation Haki in a sense, but it also physically boosts physical feats. Force Speed and Force Jump are powers where the user channels the Force into empowering themselves to achieve metahuman levels of feats like leaping over several stories, or running faster than Blaster Fire. So Vader does have Lightspeed options.
Why does Nux insist on being like "no, you can't take that specific feat literally, he might win if you do"
Idk. It wouldn't matter regardless. Obito is beating Vader regardless of force feats
I mean the speed feat might be a valid callout because dodging aim and dodging a projectile is not the same thing, but in some cases the force feats that vader had should fully be usable ngl.
@@connorharnage6697 He really doesn't
@@ello5018 Vader is one of the weakest Sith of all time. Put someone like Revan or Nihilus against Obito and Obito loses. But Vader has nothing in terms of strength or force abilities that would affect Obito
@@flappeercraft7979 It seems to be a recurring theme in these. Especially in the Superman vs Goku reaction. Almost every feat mentioned for Superman, Nux was all "no, no, no, you can't take that seriously"
It definitely feels like since he is coming into these with a bias for who should win, he is just not wanting it to actually be a fairly researched fight so his guy can win.
Man nux is really ignorant about Vader scaling.
He goes off opinion not feats and scaling
He’s one of those that think power scaling is dumb
But still say this character win because I feels like it
Edited: honestly ignore this, went on a weird rant
@@watchery.819 yeah.......
Versus debating is subjective
@@debater452it is but disregarding it is cringe.
@@watchery.819no he literally says he does his own research
The force does help in figuring out where a laser blast will hit, however, Vader has piloted a star destroyer in hyper space while barely using the force to help him see the future, so he's at least around at light speed. Also, the force is a living creature, and in those comics you mentioned, it's stated by the force that Vader literally can not die unless he kills palpatine. The Force itself admited to giving Vader plot armor, and not only that, but the force itself created an illusionary world for Vader that he broke out of, Vader broke out of infinite power and a perfect illusion. The comics for Star Wars go absolutely wild at times.
I should also mention that the average human in star wars is capable of dodging lasers, according to the guide books the blaster do shoot at light speed, so if Han Solo can dodge light, surely Vader can.
But also, not only has Vader broken out of something akin to infinite tsukiyomi, according to the wiki Obito can't even use Infinite tsukiyomi.
Except the only thing that ever resisted the Infinite Tsukuyomi was Sasuke's Rinne-Sharingan, something that doesn't exist in the world of Star Wars.
If everyone in Star Wars can react at lightspeed then how come Order 66 was so effective against literal masters of the Force?
Vader is a powerhouse but Obito's arsenal was just too vast for him to handle. Like, he had no counter against the Truth-Seeker Orbs, Kamui, and Obito's Instant Regeneration
Literally man, Obito is broken but not against Vader. Death battle didn't do the research on this one because that version of Obito shouldn't have access to that power anyway, I bet if we're Madara they would had have him transform into Kaguya out of nowhere and make Vader teleport to another dimension. Vader is cold he doesn't give chances to anyone, only those that reminds him from his past but he ends up killing them on the spot.Obito would die with force choke 100% if his brain ain't working there's no way he's coming back.
@@biiyen8458ok but you have to look at “how” it breaks something.
@@johndywick179madara vs aizen happened
@@johndywick179 I get that you really like Vader but the glazing has got to stop, my guy.
Vader would lose a battle of attrition against someone with nigh infinite health like Obito. Not to mention that the Infinite Tsukuyomi feat on Obito is valid as Madara literally taught him the Jutsu. Kabuto resurrecting Madara was never included in their grand plan but if things all went accordingly to their initial scheme it would've been Obito casting the Infinite Tsukuyomi just like how Madara wanted him to.
And also, Force Choking? Really? Against a guy whose biggest gimmick is phasing?
Your point about the force giving Vader precognition to block the attack is really up to interpretation, since we don't know how far into the future Vader can see/be told. If it told him where the bullet was after it was fired then yes that's a lightspeed feat. If it told him before the bullet was fired then it's not a lighspeed feat.
Can't people also use the force to increase their speed and abilities? I know Yoda does it to leap around and move better, but I can't remember if Vader himself does it as well. I'm sure he could since he uses the force to walk or move in his armor at times.
@@ItWasJohnYT Yes they can, but considering there's an infinite amount of the force (at least i'm pretty sure that's the case) any speed or strength feat with the force might as well be a normal stat
to explain force precog, most force users can predict where attacks will come from based on the movements of the opponent, some can see the future during combat but I believe that's one in a million, vader has been shown to boost his speed and strength to extreme degrees though so he also has that.
didn't anakin see padme dying like at least a week before it happened? like without meditation and everything
also anakin's precognition was explained by quigon as "seeing things before they happen" so it's probably not based off of just observing appointments since it was talked about in a pod racing conversation
I mean even if it WAS the force, who cares? You've still gotta give Vader whatever powers of the force he's been shown to use or else he LITERALLY has nothing else except his suit and lightsaber, and of course his natural skill.
Death battle didn’t include Vader opening portals, making the force gods basically bow to him, and his full darkside
He was being Inpower by the father and no he can't make portals
@@thelordofthewest7781he literally did in the comics and no in the 3d cartoon he wasn't being empowered by the father
@@thelordofthewest7781 He wasn't being empowered by The Father, and in the new Ahsoka Show we can see him manipulating reality as Anakin in balance, even if Vader is only half of that power, he's still far more powerful than Obito is, but Obito has busted regeneration which allows him to win.
They mentioned the “brother and sister” but didn’t go into who they were
And how canon is that?
funny thing is, vader HAS broken free from a infinite tsukuyomi-esk illusion. i believe it was early on in his career, palpatine sent him to find a kyber crystal and overpower it. the crystal he found gave him a vision on a what if scenario of him doing things right. however, Vader's rage was too great and he overpowered the illusion.
Infinite Tusukuyomi is a Different thing.
It doesn't just Trap you it will make you Believe that this is the True Reality.
Basically you will completely Forgot about your Previous Life.
Basically Vader won't even be able to remember that he was Actually Evil.
And the Worst Part is that even if somehow you manage to Figure it out that you are Actually Stuck in a Dream world.
You cannot do anything about it Because the Dream will just Start over again And again.
Even if you Break out of it you will instantly be sent back into the Dream world again.
@@HYPERMAN__the force protect the minds of the force sensitive
@@HYPERMAN__ That sounds gay as hell. "It's an ability that traps your mind in an inescapable illusion, and even if you do have a clever way to escape it, you actually didn't." An actual powergamer child wrote this power. This is some of that playground refuses to lose bullshit. The moment any character has a power that needs to specify "This power can't be countered, even by things that specifically can counter it," then the character should lose before the fight begins.
@@pattycake520 The Entire point of using Infinite Tukoyomi is to Secure an Instant win.
Don't forget Infinite Tukoyomi is *NOT* something Normal or a Casual Ability that you can use whenever you want.
It Seriously Consumes a *TON* of Chakara Energy to use. And can ONLY be performed on a Planetary Scale.
The only Way to Survive against this Ability is to Be Completely IMMUNE to all Illusions.
And even then it's NOT that Simple
Because you have to be Immune from the Starting.
Because let's just say you got Stuck inside Infinite Tukoyomi and After that you realise that you are in A dream world, Now it's meaningless you cannot get out.
Basically if you get in You cannot get out. You are stuck there Permanently only someone else can get you out if he also possesses the Same Infinite Tukoyomi ability
The only way to Survive is to NOT get inside the Infinite Tukoyomi in the first place.
@@pattycake520basically it would send you back to infinite tsukyumi because the sharingan looking moon is still there if you turn it back to normal then you'll be free but vader couldn't just destroy it fast enough to not get trapped
Honestly, I was really hoping that just before Obito swung the DNA sword, the suit would beep and enrage Vader enough to break through the Infinite Tsukuyomi...
Hahahha
I actually thought that was gonna happen. Seen as they just randomly mentioned it and gave alot of attention to the suit
@@KokoroSan96 I also blame their on screen mention of vader giving into temptation at 32:01 on screen for why that didn't happen (it is blocked by twitch chat partially).
This! Imagine fighting a guy who dared to mindtrick you twice about your dead wife. He would break out of Infinite Tsukuyomi by killing Padme again and then charging at Obito who would be all ''nani!'' mode.
@@mr.whistler6114 ... That's not how the infinite tsyukuyomi works. he kills padme and the illusion continues.
You should check out "Saitama vs. Popeye" next.
Alright, no hate, but isn’t saying that Vader’s feats are not applicable because he’s using the Force instead of his own physical strength the same as saying that Obito’s feats are not applicable because he’s using chakra instead?
It’s like saying that Gandalf - a wizard - using magic shouldn’t count towards his feats. But magic is a legitimate part of his arsenal, just like the Force is for Vader and chakra is for Obito.
Yeah I was genuinely befuddled when he said that
Thank you someone with an actual brain said it.
That's what I'm saying. Or to give another example that's like saying half of any DBZ characters feats don't count cause they're ki based which technically isn't their own strength.
It's ridiculous in that case cause you'd be taking away literally any energy attack or basically anything except hand to hand brawling and pure skill.
You are absolutely right. If it's a tool he can use whenever he wants, then it's a feat that he's capable of and is worth mentioning.
Nux is just flat out wrong when he tries to seperate the force from Vader's capabilities.
@@gamemeister2905Ki is their actual life force though, so it's not the same. It would be like saying Naruto can't use nature chakra in a death battle but he can use his own chakra or Kuramas. If his own chakra, Kuramas chakra and sage mode count in a death battle, so should the force.
“Vader lost to hot rocks” and obito lost to falling rocks what’s your point
One was a literal child lacking almost all of his powers. The other was an arguably stronger version of himself. Obviously it has nothing to do with the actual matchup though.
Nux got me watching death battle again and I haven’t watched it in years
Nux the jedi regularly use the force to augment their physical ability force speed, for instance, can allow a jedi to move so fast that it will appear as though the jedi telephoned
The thing about sith that they're very myopic about, is that they can use ALL emotions to channel the force. Sith end up using rage and hatred as their point of force channeling because they are theologically opposed to the beliefs of the jedi, who believe in supressing their emotions and using cold logic to make desicions. The sith only lose because they tunnel vision to power, when they could be so much more powerful. Joy, happiness, sorrow, love are all on the table for sith to use.
Even if you know where you're gonna be shot at, It doesn't mean you can dodge from that
knowing that something is going to happen and being quick enough to react to it are totally different skills
What's the point of knowing that a laser as fast as the light is about to hit you if you're not fast enough to react to it? Even if you can see the future, being able to react to something like that it's still a HUGE feat of reaction speed
Not really though. It depends how far you can see into the future and how Vader's clairvoyance works. If he can see even five seconds into the future it means that he had five full seconds to raise his hand and block that laser beam. If that's the case giving him light-speed reflexes for that is not at all accurate.
That being said I'm not a huge fan of Star Wars so I'm not really sure how Vader's clairvoyance works. If he can sense attacks .1 seconds before or if his clairvoyance works only AFTER the laser has already been shot then that feat definetly counts.
Case and point: the original Spider-Man movie Green Goblin tries to sneak attack Spider-Man with his glider, but he dodges it, Goblin sees it, but can't do anything about it except "oh..."
The one thing I don't agree with is how in Vader's feats they included him bodying both The Daughter and The Son. For those not in the know, those two are the physical manifestations of the Light and Dark sides of the Force. That is a Universe-scale feat which trumps *everything* in Naruto (or Borito) and it gets completely glossed over by the analysis.
The place amps him significantly thats basically him at full potential otherwise he wouldnt be able to do that. Hed literally be unstoppable on the movies and shows if that was his actual power scale hed never lose to obi wan.
@@cngotham4111 But the fact is that IS his full potential, and not specifically tied to that place. That place just shows off his full potential in a vacuum before he actually achieves it later, which would make him actually have closer to that level of power by the time he becomes Vader. Now, is it possible his full potential was missed because Anakin went full dark side instead of finding a proper balance? That's a potential, but fact remains that Anakin does indeed have a universe-scale feat in his bag of tricks. For instance, if Vader could trick the infinite tsukuyomi into placing him in 'that place' he could theoretically manifest enough force to both break the tsukuyomi and to annihilate obito at once.
@ShaggyDabbyDank he doesn't achieve it later anakin never becomes even close to the power as when he made 2 gods kneel.
And for everyone saying that anakin got a boost there, the force gods also would of gotten a boost so anakin still would have been better then them elsewhere
@@ShaggyDabbyDank and even then, Vader never got there because he was too cocky against an opponent who had the high ground and wanting to use his opponent's own move against him.
Nux: You’re still going for the Infinite Tsukuyomi? Why don’t you just phase or use Kamui?
Obito: Because it looks cool and it’s satisfying. 😈
Vader according to lore has some pretty crazy feats Nux. Like in the movies the blaster laser may seem slow but they are actually light speed and well it could just snowball from there
Force effect (on reflexes and such) depends on the user, for some they get vague inclinations of a direction to avoid, some see entire battles before they happen, some basically go demon hunter and follow the string, and some boost both their actual mind and senses, then stack on precognition… so… basically the better the jedi you are the stronger the effects you bring to bear. Oh, also, its cannon that the force gives actual plot armor to those it favors… like measurable levels of luck realignment.
Nux i’m sorry I have to tell you this but the force is actually alive! it is also weirdly sentient that if someone you it against it’s will it will corrupt that someone mind body and soul.
"Bruh, Vader lost to hot rocks."
Bruh, Obito lost to heavy rocks.
The Regeneration makes the outcome obvious. And the insane amount of Ranged attacks Obito has that he can just spam till Vader dies.
Yeah without the regeneration I could honestly see Vader winning this after tearing out his eye. The rinnegan is still absurd but a good portion of the things Vader would need to fear outside of pure firepower are granted by the sharingan.
does obito need oxygen??
@@ChandlerWithaZmaybe, maybe not
I mean, the dude has no lungs on his left side
@ChandlerWithaZ yes but it's not like naruto characters can do goofy stuff for breath
God vader (which is canon since they used the expanded universe comics) would like a word
Holy shit. He's actually doin it. Thanks Nux😁👍 How bout Chosen Undead vs Dragon Born next? Not sure if you like Dark souls or Skyrim.
Obito gave Anakin the peace he finally needed. But who will give Obito his chance to have peace? 😢
Naruto nd the Almighty powers of talk-no-jutsu
His soul was destroyed by the DNA thing
Saitama 💀
Kaguyas killing bone ash put him down
Imagine If Superman and The Doctor Went To Narutoverse Not Destroying It, But They Enter Here To Save Something Very Important To Obito.
If they count Obito's basically God form they should also count Darth Vader's god form from the comics when he became one with the dark side, I think, because I remember he had a transformation.
it is hard to argue about how useable that form is.
10:46 Vader Simultaneously controlled The Son and The Daughter. They are the living embodiment of the force. Both light and Dark sides. Universal beings brought to their knees by Vader alone. And in one of the comics he used the force to open a portal to another dimension, and become a being that controlled space and time. "It tool prep."
So did six path and ten tail.
Nux Do a power scaling for Vader I need to know more on why you say Vader gets clapped. Then again you are the king of flexing so who knows.
1 Mortis amp
2 Mustafar amp
Mortis and Mustafar are force nexuses, Kamui and Earth aren’t.
Nuxanor, have you seen Deadpool VS the Mask? THAT'S a one sided slaughter
The suit is even worse then they mentioned. That thing keeps him alive but also causes a massive amount of pain preventing him from healing and being able to focus properly. Focus is huge for the force so .. rip anakin
This is how it would have gone since Vader doesent mess around
Obito: sees Vader
Vader: closes his hand and kills obito
Classicman D did a Video short of debunking Darth Vader vs Obito. Showing proof of why Vader should have won against Obito. I personally don't like the Death Battle, if you like it, so be it, but people keep on ignoring or getting information wrong about these two.
-Obito don't have access to the 10 tails. If he did, he would have summoned it out of the Reanimated Hokage's trap or out of the hole that the Shinobi alliance made.
-Vader bring down two universal being down to the ground, by using the force. Obito have done nothing like that.
-Vader have quicker reactions speed and would have use the force to crush Obito's eyes.(Which they show doing during the battle) No, Obito can't react that fast, if he did he would have destroyed the Rinnegan before Madara react him. Minato proof that if Obito can't react fast enough, he can get hurt. When use the flying Raigin to slash Obito's body.
-Ten Tail Obito isn't a form that Obito can access. Giving him that form is getting outside help, which is against their rules.
The problem with Classicman D's video is that he gave out some misinformation about Vader. Don't know about Obito but in Vader's case, the feats he gave (like the Dark Dimension form with its "universal level" feats). Is not standard to him. Not only does it require being in a specific location, it's also featless. All those feats happens in a dream and Vader cannot bring out that form in his own. Honestly, Classicman D is not the best guy when it comes to Powerscaling. It's okay to hold opinion but I won't hold his argument as definitely since I have my own disagreement towards his many argument just like how he has with Death Battle.
@@KarpSplash
Obito's feat and transformation wasn't standard for him either. Yet, Death Battle give a pass for Obito. That form of Darth Vader and his universal feats are canon to the franchise and Vader in that form was dub the strongest (By the writers of the comic and within the comic itself.). Vader should have won.
@@hiitsalex6780 still not something available to him. At least in Obito's case the Ten Tail was something he got to keep once he obtained it. The same can't be said for Dark Dimension Vader who he cannot access anytime he wants and whose feats only exist in a dream, essentially featless. So if Vader was to win, it would be for other reasons not that featless form.
@@KarpSplash
Vader without his God form was able to use the force to donated two living embodiment of the force. Who are scale to universal. If Vader can do that in a normal form, what stopping people from assuming he can do more in a more powerful form. For the Obito's access to the Ten Tail, just because he got access to it once, doesn't mean he have access to it all the time. To summon something in Naruto, the summon creature need to match the Chakra level of the user(Which is shown during Naruto summoning training with Jiraya.) Obito needed lots of time and access to Hashirama cell and Rinnegan to summon it at that point. So, again if Vader can't access his God form, then Obito shouldn't access his Ten Tail form.
@@illumi9044I wouldn't even say it's really outside help either because he obtained the power himself. That's like saying Goku doesn't get SSJG because he originally did a ritual to obtain it
The force can phydically move objects. This is factually shown in 99% of all star wars media.
Considering you think Kakashi is one of the best characters in anime, you should totally check out Obi-Wan vs Kakashi
aint no way Nux low balling vader😭
Wait till Nux sees Kakashi vs Obi-Wan
27:31 this right here is where the animator fucked up. Lightsabers are not steel swords, they are plasma blades. That stab should be cauterizing Obito's insides. So with that said, how is Obito coughing out blood anyway? If Vader at least punched Obito or physically crushed his chest with his mechanical hands to cause internal bleeding, I would believe that, but a lightsaber stab doesn't ever cause blood to spill or someone to cough out blood.
So about the moon thing, as far as I'm aware one's ability to do anything with the force is dependent on the strength of one's connection to the force. In so that if you're will/connection is good enough, size itself loses meaning (hence the meaning behind that iconic phrase). So I think it makes sense to calculate that stuff, because I don't think all Jedi or even force users are made equal (because otherwise, what was Obi Wan's excuse for not hurling starships at people? Or any of the other Jedi during the golden age when shit hit the fan?)
As Yoda said: Size matters not.
The moon thing is from a show that's explicitly non-cannon.
@@desolatorstorm142 ah okay. That being said my justification for why metrics of weight and force exerted using the force still stand.
3:00 he was in fact not an orphan, his mother only died when he was an adult, and his father was literally the force, so he didn’t have a physical father.
Star Wars Lore is INSANE though with the things characters have done especially with the force
& especially what Vader has done in the comics & books
“When comic Vader spun the galaxy with the force”
No Nux, you’re thinking of when Palpetine laughed and shook the galaxy with the force
I wish death battle didn’t forget the fact he turned into a literal god.
objection! Once the lightsaber clashes with the truthseeker orbs, its energy is instantly absorbed rendering it useless
But what about the time he brought two universal beings to their knees in the clone wars show (the son and the daughter) and god vader from the comics?
Was he Inpower by the father to take his place
@@thelordofthewest7781 he was not empowered (inpower isn't a word) by the father. if he had been empowered by the father, the father wouldn't have been able to act. not to mention the whole point of anakin being on that planet was to take the fathers place because he was already stronger than the father when he was in balance. fucking hell dude, go watch the episode again.
@@NoESanityanakin was most definitely amped during that episode other wise obi wan even training and having thr best defense still would be killed by anakin in seconds. Him making them bow was basically showing anakin at his full potential.
@@cngotham4111 you don't get the point of the duel in episode 3. no one questions that if Anakin had just force crushed obi wan he would be dead. not only did lucas say that would happen, that was done debated and answered by the community back in the 90s.
the duel with obiwan, the one where anakin lost was anakin attempting to recruit obiwan. he was showing him that he learned everything from him, knew his style and his methods so perfectly that obiwan had no chance and would be forced to join him or die. anakin just got cocky. he lost because he was stronger than obiwan, so while he was fucking around obiwan wasn't.
@NoESanity I'm sorry if he actually had the power to make literally God's kneel then him being cocky during the battle or not he'd still easily demolish obi wan. And he wasn't trying to recruit obi wan that makes no sense if your looking at all the moves anakin was doing those where all death kills. Also when both used the force at the same time they both flew back again someone who could make God's kneel are not getting pushed back by obi wan. Thr planet gave anakin a huge Amp and basically made him at his full potential. The father wanted to see what anakin at his full potential would do to the son and daughter was the whole point.
The fight was great and all but the parts that gave me chills is wen Nux pauses and goes "OH MY GOD!" or "That's so fucking cool I'm ngl" and just Nux perving over the fight in general😂❤ this is how I watch Death Battles from now onwards 😁👍
If you can see into the future to react to light speed attacks, the result is the same as reacting to it quickly.
Also, why is calculating the strength of feats using the force invalid to you? Just because it isn't physical strength?
Obito still should win this imo but I don't get the denial of all vader's calculated feats
They completely understated how miserable Vader's suit is. Aside from beeping to annoy him, it was practically a walking iron maiden. And he used that pain to channel his power.
remember that time vader spoke to a admiral and told him to pick a time. place. and prepare as much as he wants. and try to kill him.
and the dude picked one of the most dangerous planets. 15 some of the most dangerous bounty hunters. and the fight ended in a draw on the 9th day i think. (maybe the hunt went on longer. i forget how long it was) with vader dying and the admiral nearly voice chocked to death. after that. the two have had mutual respect for each other. also none of the bounty hunters made it
Honestly, Obito didn’t even need to pull out Infinite Tsukuyomi just to beat Vader.
1. Obito powerful enough and fast enough to speed blitz Vader. Long before Vader can even react
2. If you really wanna wank Vader (for whatever reason) and say he can indeed keep up with Obito. Well, none of that means sh*t when Obito can just whip out the Truth Seeking Orbs. They can only be countered with Six Paths Power and Senjutsu. And Vader is nighter.
One thing people forget is that Vader can without a doubt read Obito's every thought and even Obito's movement it even happens due Obito not having ability to shield his mind. Whatever Obito tries to plan up vader will just counter it before it ever happens. It's very looked over by death battle however unfortunately. You could say Obito can see through Vader's movement too but nowhere near the same league due to Vader being able to read his actual thoughts.
Lots of other things Vader can do was looked over
Plus Vader doesn't have chakra paths so the sharingan shouldn't even work & Vader could break out of the kamui since he has broken out of dimemtions before & he has mind protection do to the force too
& the force is alive too if your stripped of the force enough you could possibly die
@@Lasthunterofagartha Obito has the Rinnegan meaning he can read more than Chakra paths. Also the dimensions Vader was trapped in still technically had the force around him. Kamui I imagine wouldn't and ultimately just depends if Vader could escape or survive using the remaining Force within himself to do so.
@@tempest8746 well Vader being born of the force would probably have enough force left to break out of the dimemtion then & didn't know the rinnegan could still work without chakra paths my bad
Also how does it read things exactly?
@@Lasthunterofagartha I mean that's only theoretical not factual we'll only include what they're capable of based on the feats they have. The Rinnegan can read alot more than the Sharingan since it's a higher form of it for example the uchiha stone tablet while you can read it with Sharingan you can read the true meaning of it if you had the Rinnegan. Then there's also the fact that it can see alternative dimensions. See mircro organisms including Midichlorians. Which would help it detect the force better since the Rinnegan could see other signs of energy not just Chakra.
@@tempest8746 ah ok & by sending it would it then grant the ability to somewhat resist the effects of the force?
Vader absolutely had the feats necessary to break out of the infinite tsukuyomi, tragic that's how they ended the battle.
Can’t wait for him to react to the Silver vs Trunks death battle
Just pointed out, they had Obi-wan beat Kakashi and in that they attributed to Obi-wan the ability to use the force to destroy entire planets.
George Lucas has outright said that full power Vader/Anakin is the strongest force user to ever exist. Meanwhile, they are scaling Vader to a weaker level here to give the fight to Obito.
I'm not even a bug Star Wars guy but make it make sense.
So like here’s the thing.
1 why does it matter if a “reaction” feat is bolstered by precognition. In the end he reacted to an attack the speed of light. Now if the opponent has a counter to negate it then I could see a point, or if the boost is temporary or limited then also point had. But Vader always has the force at his side. Also the strength feat of moving moons is also valid. Sure it isn’t physical arm strength but that level of power is at his disposal. It would be disingenuous to not take it into consideration.
And secondly about the “artistic interpretation” argument. The moment you start taking that into account the calculations become meaningless because I could say that the punch clash between goku and the destruction god is creative interpretation and thus shouldn’t be considered at all. Nah he only has the strength to push a small suv like in original dragon ball. Whether or not it was creative interpretation or the writer wanting a cool scene, the moment you add it to the story that is canon.
Love the videos but I feel like you are barking up the wrong tree from time to time. Not always and the fact you have done your own research is admirable. But they really should l, almost have to, keep any potential bias out of it because then this whole series would fall apart.
Bro Nux needs to watch Dio vs Alucard next. That fight is nuts!
The Rinnegan's ability to rip out people's souls can be resisted also Nature Energy is literally the Force so Vader should have been able to use it to block and possibly destroy the Truth Seeking Orbs also the Juubi is a mindless beast so Vader would have been able to control it via the Force
The ninjas in Naruto have no Midi-Chlorians for any Force-user to highjack so Vader is completely vulnerable to Chakra and Nature Energy. Obito has complete control over the Ten-Tails via physical tethering and becoming its Jinchuuruki. Vader will always lose to Obito due to his lack of regenerative abilities.
Honestly Vader comics makes him so much cooler. I know in a recent one he became Dark Dimension Vader. Absolutely badass.
i saw a comment on the original on how tsukoyomi basically gave vader back everything he wanted, his body padme and her love, essentially robbing him of all his hatred. which would leave him without the force.
This happened early on Vader's life as a Sith Lord.
Where he just got mad and broke free from the illusion
Nux:Murder's in real life don't get nearly as much respect.
Alexander the great, Genghis Khan, Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler: Am I a joke to you?
Vader died by losing his hand and getting hit with a little lightning. Hes not fast enough to cordage anything of Juubito’s abilities either. These Star Wars cucks are always too big for their britches.
9:32 it’s a bit of both which is a bit of a cop out there are force abilities that can boost one’s reflexes and natural speed as well as all of the premonition stuff. In this case you are right about it.
I'm happy to see Nux's reaction to this episode, cause even though I'm totally biased, this is still my favorite episode of the season. I really appreciate how they handled Vader in the fight being this nearly unstoppable moving force, and I always love when Death Battle does emotional/mercy kills. This was Devilartemis' last Death Battle fight animation in his style before moving to Blender for Frieza vs Megatron, and just like that fight, he absolutely killed it with this one.
But yeah, been loving Nux's reaction to Death Battle and would gladly like to see more, maybe clean up with the rest of the season like Cole Vs Alex, Chosen Undead vs Dragonborn, and Guts Vs Dimitri. Don't know if he's interested in the other non-anime Death Battles, but going back to see other fights from the last seasons like Saitama vs. Popeye, Sauron vs Lich King, and many more
Edit: Oh, I also would LOVE to see his reaction to Obi-Wan vs Kakashi
The Force CAN be used to increase ones physical attributes like reaction speed and strength, it can also be used as a form of foresight.
Nux had fun with the episode and that's the real important stuff. If that's all you care about, that's awesome. I agree and that's all I can ask. That said....
I know everyone else in the comments has harped on this, but yeah, I can definitely feel the bias coming from Nux this episode. Also, for doing his own research, he seems to fundamentally misunderstand what the Force actually does, how the Sith work, and basic knowledge about the comics. I do agree (marginally) with some of the inconsistent feats he brought up, but most aren't that drastically impossible for Vader when you take the whole scope of Star Wars canon into account. Not to mention, treating the Force like its somehow separate from Vader's feats while treating something like chakra as totally fine is just cherry-picking.
I doubt he's gonna see any of our comments, but I do hope he gets better with this since I think the idea of him doing his own research and then reacting is a really good idea. Other than that, I'm not too upset, Nux clearly had a good time and its always fun to see him lose it watching Death Battle's best fights.
And before any of you start going off about how Vader should've won, from what I've seen, it's not that clear cut and I definitely can see Obito winning this. And even if Vader does win, its not because of that jank-ass Dark Side Dream form he got. And before any of you reply about *that* , watch Nemesis Bloodryche's video on the subject.
I've noticed Obito showed great sympathy for Darth Vader, despite destroying his physical body he gave him a chance of experiencing peace.
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My brother in christ, physical strength isn't the only factor. Strength in the force is still legitimate strength that should be considered for a death battle.
Also, when it comes to reaction times, yes force users have light speed reaction. Yes, they do basically have observation haki with the force, but regardless of detecting an attack incoming, they still need to move their bodies fast enough to capitalize. Just face it. Naruto power scaling cannot keep up with star wars.
Nux already pauses a lot so he should really read those black boxes. They mention that Obito apparently lost the ability to phase with Kamui likely due to his body's Ninjutsu immunity. They also mention other characters with lightspeed feats for both Vader and Obito. Among many other things.
Was that ever confirmed tho? I know it's widely accepted that Jibito can't use Kamui but I don't remember it ever being said
@@connorharnage6697juubito said it himself
@@theminehub4993 Ok. Maybe it's just been a while and I forgot. I didn't doubt it. It does make sense. I was just curious
@@connorharnage6697 ye they had to nerf him somehow or they would've never beaten him
Yet, Madara stole Kakashi eye and with just his upper body able to use kamui. I’m telling you, Obito would have been the big bad if given all his powers at his apex. Ten tails jinchuriki with both kamui and susanoo with Hashirama cells!
I think "You are liberated from Hell. Find peace in the next life." Is still my favorite kill line of the season
If you do more, Two Death Battles I really recommend and think you’ll enjoy are:
Lord Beerus vs Sailor Galaxia & Hercules vs Sun Wukong
Bro, Vader went through a familiar scenario with having the faje opportunity to live kut his dream life, at least twice, but didn't succumb to them in the comics
Ok. The title's a little different this time. XD
26:49: BRUH! 😂
Clearly my man has never heard of Comicstorian nor Variant Comics
Al tho the fight would end in obitos favor, i dont think trapping him in the infinet jutsu would have been the kill move, Vadar has been in that seat before, during one of the comics he gets to explore a path in where he rejects his current possition, slays the emperor and atones for his crimes, but he rejects that reality beacuse as stated "There is nothing he hates more, then himself" vader cant allow himself to be happy.
Nux, please watch Guts vs Dmitri next. The ending of that fight is wholesome I promise u.
About the Sith, by nature they are evil & greedy thus will overthrow each other when they have the chance. It's one of the reasons the ancient never conquered the galaxy. Darth Bane create the Rule of 2, there can only be 2 Siths at a time: the master & the apprentice(and a bunch of weak dark side minions). The master need an heir so won't kill the apprentice(as long as he remain worthy) & the apprentice won't kill the master(until he learn everything)-> the Sith survie & become stronger & stronger(because each generation surpass & kill their master)
i think i have a new way to watching death battle, I think Nux makes these even better
This death battle is so inaccurate legends Vader slams so bad
Remember that Guts has been in Death Battle twice, once against Nightmare from soul calibur, and once against generic character from game that sponsored the episode. Cant wait to see Nux on those.
"Kamui made Obito extremely difficult to touch". No. Kamui makes Obito IMPOSSIBLE to touch. I'm happy with the outcome, but boy do they lowball Obito to make this even slightly close.
9:57 No, that's been an Expected Outcome of the Sith Dynamic; due to horrible infighting, the sith mad The Rule Of Two: That there would only ever be Two sith; A master and an apprentice. Only when the Apprentice had Surpassed the Master would they defeat their master and begin raising an apprentice of their own. This is an eventuality all sith that abide by The Rule Of Two are aware of.
It's also why the Sith lords were way more powerful then most Jedi.
The Master knows their Apprentice will try and kill them; And they do everything to stop that, but eventually the Apprentice would be strong enough to kill their master.
This assures that the Siths are gradually becoming stronger than the previous generation.
You need the Rinne-Sharingan to use the Infinite Tsukiomi, Obito didn't have that so he shouldn't have been able to cast it
Obito is capable of using the Infinite Tsukuyomi as Madara taught it to him prior to his death. Their original plan was for Obito to use the Infinite Tsukuyomi but Kabuto threw a wrench in that by resurrecting Madara as a bargaining chip prior to the start of the war.
Yeas but didn't Madara and Kaguya show that you NEEDED the Rinne-Sharingan to cast the Genjustu? Last I checked Obito didn't have it
Between this video, and your commentary makes the video funny and more entertaining.
.. so they gonna gloss over dark dimension vader?
So he cannot use it because there is no way of using it without being ultra bias towards dark Vader
@@thelordofthewest7781they gave Obito all of his tools including six paths. So how is it fair to glance over dark dimension?
@@thelordofthewest7781 ok even if we don't use that there are a large number of other things they neglected on the list of balls dropped by db this is up in the top 10
@@1nn3r3V1L you know obito have the ability to summon the 10 tails and never lose it until Madera
@@1nn3r3V1L what the other 10 time and are any of them before seasons 4 where death battle themselves said is wrong
Me @ Nux this whole episode: "THATS NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS!"
19:36 Madara canonically casted the infinite tsukuyomi. He won in that instant. nothing else after that moment was reality, it was all in somebody's mind inside the infinite tsukuyomi. Black zetsu betrayal, kaguya, boruto ... none of them were ever real. they were all part of somebody's happy ending
You cannot say that FanFiction theory is Canon and get away with It
If Its an perfect Future to stop someone from escaping,then Just fucking explain all the suffering which comes later
@@Jpx0999 Itachi used the normal tsukuyomi on the love of his life to give her an entire life of happiness and enable her to die of old age in the single second of its use.
Which is more believable?
Characters escape from an inescapeable illusion, undermine their own redemption arcs for no reason decades later, the world is suddenly under attack form planet destroying aliens and these ninjas are not only expected to defeat them, but also do it for the coin of the avg joe who cant lift a 50kg rock off the ground.
Or
A legendary Ninja hyped for the entire storyline as the strongest ninja to ever exist, managed to successfully cast a jutsu known to put everybody under an inescapeable permanent illusion?
"explain all the suffering as if that would enable people to break out from an inescapable genjutsu?????
Its inescapable. Nothing you do from inside it can get you out, you need help from outside. That has been established hundreds of times. We are canonically through the canonical world building, still stuck in infinite tsukuyomi with no way to get out.
Boruto is better than Disney Star Wars canon. But that doesnt give it the right to degrade/backpeddle its own established canon either
So, not so much in disney’s New lore, but, different light saber cores actually do have different effects, and one thing that they failed to touch on is that Vader actually kept a few unique trophies from his kills, in particular, one lightsaber that would, had he used it, caused any wound upon the enemy’s soul to be eaten away, at the expense of it slowly burning his own lifeforce down, permanently reducing his connection to the force (and thus why he never used it in-canon, because he never faced a true threat while it was on him)
Hi
When he said that “palpatine never comes back thats how well he killed him” i was like
Um…..should we tell him? XD
Yes it's one sided Slaughter in the favor of Vader he Solos all of Naruto with a force fart because multiple versions of him are outer. Death battle really butchered this match up like they do about 60% of the time.
Looks like someone was mad because their favorite character lost. Womp womp
You have Vampire profile picture...@@Dhampire1976
Ok kid, What the Hell does Outer even Means ?.....
Just Go Away kid, no Star Wars Character can even Surpass Universal, because all of Star Wars Happens in the Same Universe.....
@@darkstar_xd well,in legends there are characters that exist outside the realm of reality and even exist outside the edges of the universe,Abeloth to give an example. Unfortunately she isn't canon and was defeated by Luke so using her for a feat would not work at all lol
Unless of course, If you Say ""Galaxy Far Far Away"" counts as a Diferent Universe, then I am gonna Laugh at your face, because a Galaxy is Dust Compared to a Universe 😂
Nux. This is why people love Mace Windu. The Grey Jedi say the Dark Side isn't an enemy, but just another facet of the Force to use for the good of the Galaxy.
grey jedi are not canon or legend. , windu was not a grey jedi, windu did not believe the dark side "was not the enemy" in fact he was specifically trained to be a jedi version of judge dredd specifically sent on missions to kill witches, dark jedi, and sith. he literally became a jedi master because he killed more dark jedi than any other jedi in history, to include during the during the sith wars.
Chakra feet is cheating
Feet?
@@dusky5535 ayo?
"Jedi are all virgins"
Tell that to Master Ki-Adi-Mundi and his five wives!
Hey nux I recommend the vigeta vs shadow battle its soo good and funny as hell to watch. I laughed so many times watching it