What he didn't go into is Stockman's fate after Shredder was banished. He ended up creating a new flesh-and-blood body for himself, but he rushed it, and it started rapidly rotting and decaying and taking his mind with it, slowly turning him into a delirious zombie before he finally died. That SHOULD have been the end of his suffering, but his new boss, Bishop, wasn't done with him, so he revived him. Stockman made it clear that he would've preferred to stay dead.
1:15 To answer your question, pretty much different in background depending on the universe. To sum up how they act in terms of the _animated_ series… 1987 Shredder: Iconic goofball 2003 Shredder: ruthless and craves conquest 2012 Shredder: vengeful and incredibly petty (you will see why) Rise Shredder: ridiculously OP demon (given what those specific Turtles could do, it makes perfect sense why they made the most notable villains of the franchise so much stronger)
also 2003 ALSO has multiple shredders utrom shredder: violent, sadistic war criminal karai shredder: noble demon blinded by petty revenge who is not nearly as bad as her dad cyber shredder: pretty weaksauce knockoff demon shredder: powerful corrupted hero who turned into a power hungry demon (also the guy who Utrom shredder stole the identity of to further legitimise his criminal organisation)
@@donovan802 Tengu Shredder from 2003 is honestly better in my opinion. But its tough to say if its because he's actually more badarse or if its because Rise of TMNT was so woefully short that its Shredder BARELY got time to really shine outsude of the, admittebly amazingly animated, fight scenes
@@filipvadas7602 Blame Viacom, to give Nickelodeon the okay, to cancel Rise. Not giving the writers the heads up, and calling them to say, “The shows cancel.” While still finishing up the current season, they were still on.
Honestly my favorite thing about Stockman was the fact that regardless of how many body parts he was missing, he NEVER missed the opportunity to be a snarky smartass, even to Shredder
I imagine they made him such a smartass to help downplay the horrific mutilation he went through. Having a sympathetic or likable character go through the same thing probably wouldn't fly.
Fun fact: the foot clan is a parody of the hand, which is the daredevil ninja clan from Marvel. Also, the ooze that mutated the turtles is also the chemicals that blinded daredevil
Its cuz they were making it themselves and not importing it so they had control over what they could get away with. We see Shredders head fall over while everything is black and no blood spilling out Leonardo gets stabbed but we never see the wound, the sword go through him and we just heard a stabbing noise. Its just making loop holes pass censors
Which was an adaptation of a storyline from the comics. Batman and the Turtles crossed a good number of times, the movie's credits prove it with the cover shots.
It wasn’t just a kids show this was the tmnt 4kidz show that ran for years and I really like how creative the writers got to get around censorship. This incarnation of the turtles is surprisingly dark . It shows what happens when the writing staff actually tries. Especially since this show was one of its big money makers.
Unfortunately, Season 4 was not only when they REALLY got dark, but they pushed the envelope a bit too far, which led to Season 5 being skipped, and Fast Forward being made. Now, I like Fast Forward and I still wished we got another season of it with the TriShreddertron and more Dark Turtles, but you can't deny that there was a reason that season had a lighter tone.
@@brawl8 Yeah, but at the same time, with how dark Insane in the Membrane was, and that scrapped episode about Garbageman? It's not like 4Kids didn't have a reason to try and make TMNT more kid friendly. Doesn't excuse their censoring of anime, however.
@@SpideyfanX Pretty sure I and bunch of kids who were 11 at the time were fine with the direction the show was going. Kids can handle intense scenes. Yeah I get where peolle are coming from. Often the censor ship is ridiculous. Especially in anime. I truly appreciate how creative writers can get to depict such a vile villain. Especially now a days where public Saturday morning cartoons have such restrictions. The only place that I know you could show this show as it is . Publicly Is on cable and even then you have to have a special time slot.
Yeah Shredder’s real name has always been Oroku Saki. Splinter however changes between Hamato Yoshi and Yoshi’s pet rat based on the version you’re viewing.
I was always tired of people debating which TMNT between 2003 and 2012 was better because I think most of us agree they are both amazing. BUT, while I am slightly biased towards the 2012 show since that’s how I started learning about TMNT, and (without spoiling) I still really love what they did with Shredder there, I can see why people put 2003 Shredder on a much higher pedestal because, at least compared to the 2012 version, the 2003 version actually keeps his word on punishments whereas 2012 shows OCCASIONAL tolerance for failure.
I 100% agree. 2012 Shredder was evil but 2003 Shredder is a damn menace and I have never seen the 2003 TMNT!! I love 2012 more than all of them but even I can agree 2003 Shredder was a nightmare
@@sarafontanini7051 I wanna say that 2012 is 1/3 or 1/2 as petty as 2003 shredder. This was WILLINGLY to kill splinter instead of saving earth. He even said that earth could destroyed for all he cared. But 2003 shredder takes the cake
The exact look on Nux's face when he finds out about the millions of bodies Ch'rell has stacked over the centuries couldn't be any more accurate to how evil he was Ch'ell was literally Frieza levels of tyrannical
1. Its kind of hillarious how 1987 Shredder was just a goober and then 4Kids of all things counterbalanced him by creating an iteration that is a genocidal egomaniac and *easily* one of the biggest haters in all of fiction. And the thing is that basically every version of TMNT afterwards has take *some* level of inspiration from this show. Its THAT iconic. 2. If CJ is willing to dedicate this much effort to a legend of saturday-morning-cartoon fame like Shredder, then the OG himself *Megatron* has to get his due eventually. Fun fact: The Sword of Tengu has an image of Ch'rell on its pommel. The foreshadowing for the twist was lowkey really well done.
If Megatron himself is to be made a candidate to the roundtable, I want CJ to cover the Transformers Prime version of it. All the way to Predacons Rising since it's the actual grand finale for Prime.
@@youssefyasser9621 Let's go with which one takes the shortest amount of time for it. But when we cover Megatron, I want CJ to cover the Transformers Prime iteration all the way to the Predacons Rising movie.
@@emircanozad914I mean, if you want Megatron’s that were real threats, then you have to go to Unicron Trilogy. He literally tried to destroy the Universe and remake it in his image, even took out a weakened Primus, and intended to abandon his team to the wrath of a Black Hole that was going to destroy the universe because to him, if they aren’t “strong enough to survive, that’s their problem”… oh yea and when he lost he still tried to destroy the universe…
Dio: I am going to spend my time making life difficult for the Jostars. Utrom Shredder: After conducting a cost/benefit analysis, I have concluded that the destruction of the multiverse (my life included) is is an acceptable cost for the destruction of every version of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
@Omeyrolx_theChessmaster wait they didn't air that episode on 4-kids? What did they air it on? Cause i swear i remember seeing that when i was younger and being understandably horrified
The original TMNT comic from Eastman and Lairs was actually meant to be very dark and a nod to Frank Miller’s Daredevil. The ‘87 show changed a lot to make them more kid friendly, but also did add a lot of the things people familiarize the turtles with, such as their different colored bandannas and love for pizza. One of the original creators recently stepped back into TMNT with the graphic novel The Last Ronin, which has garnered so much acclaim that it has been green-lit for a film adaptation. ~_~
Growing up, us kids put Shredder in the same league as Slade from Teen Titans. Top tier cartoon villains right there. Some of the best TMNT stories came out after Shredder's defeat caused a power vacuum and just when things settle down, he makes his return in grandiose and ruthless fashion. He's always gone just long enough for you to feel safe, only to come back with a vengeance.
It probably didn't hit him as a kid that aliens are a thing in TMNT, since the main focus has always been about sewer turtles learning ninjitsu from their adoptive rat father. I don't even think aliens are a thing in the live-action films from the 90's, so they may not even be relevant in every incarnation.
Oh yeah, he had gangs, mutants, human experiments, literal Demons, a Ninja cult and at one point an alien bounty hunter named Slashur. I think Leo even found his helmet in the Battle Nexus Tournament hall of fame. So add interdimensional badass to the list
@@JakeSmith-mq5dc Tbf, I believe his helmet in the Battle Nexus was actually a reference to the comics, in which the Turtles meet an alternate heroic and honorable version of the Shredder.
@@gent777 Wha-, wait, I just. COme again?! The only honorable Shredder I know of is from Mikey's Superhero universe adventure. This was a thing? Which Shredder is it based off of? The Utrom, the human? You said comic, did TMNT 2003 have comics?
I was absolutely waiting to see if you'd cover this. The 2003 Shredder was the best the franchise has had thus far, and this explains why. Oh, and this wasn't even the only Shredder in that series. There was also the Demon Shredder that Ch'rell took the mythological name from, and a digital version of Ch'rell that was made and released due to time travel. Ch'rell did more intergalactically, but the trial didn't include stuff his digital remnant did.
@@JakeSmith-mq5dc true... though Kurai herself wasn't as much the danger as the Mystics, who were quick to bring back the Demon Shredder. Kurai was a bit more of a danger before she took on the mantle, in my opinion at least.
@@mixofreak You're not wrong, but I feel like her taking up the mantle is more of a compounding effect that makes the Shredder experience more terrifying and impactful on a few levels. His ideology got a legacy in his victim of a daughter we're rooting to break the cycle, narratively it psyches out the audience luring us into a false sense of security that we'll never deal with the REAL Shredder again only to do it repeatedly again.
@@JakeSmith-mq5dc while true, and I liked her arc with that, it somewhat ended with her working for the good of the world, whereas the digital copy of Ch'rell contined after he was destroyed, which was only lacking because the last bit of the series faltered from writing, not from the voice acting or characters involved.
@@mixofreak Yeah, I wonder if the next CJ video will tough on her and Tengu Shredder. At the end of the day, Nux might here the lore, but it's a whole other thing to actually experience it first hand. One video isn't enough to give the TMNT Shredder justice.
I dub this version of Shredder the KING OF THE MENACES!!! His Design is badass and his voice fits him perfectly making him even more badass to watch plus his quotes while not many are just plain good. The exact reason why he is my favorite cartoon villain.
50:30 For context, Stockman and Hun were trying to kill the new tech lead (who idolize Baxter and gave him said robotic body) and Karai (the Shredder's adopted daughter) and make it look like an accident. They're not exactly innocent either.
So the reason the Ninjas in TMNT are the Foot clan is because OG TMNT was a parody of Frank Miller Daredevil. That ooze that mutated the turtles? Thats the same ooze that messed up Matt Murdock. The Ninjas called "The Foot"? In Daredevil, they're "The Hand". The sensei Master? In TMNT, its Splinter. Daredevil, it's Stick.
At 57:08 Nuxanor: He's not some Thanos villan who's gonna snap all life out of existence. 5 minutes later Shredder: I'm totally gonna snap all life out of existence.
Nux, if you think the Utrom Shredder is crazy now, it's even more extreme than you think. He WASN'T the first Shredder of that universe. The original Shredder was a literal Tengu Demon that attacked 300 A.D. Japan. 5 warriors, who had seperately mastered 1 facet of Ninjitsu, were chosen to defeat it, one of them being a man named, guess what? Oroku Saki. Saki then allowed the Tengu to possess him and became The Demon Shredder, a being so powerful, the other 4 warriors, his brothers and sister in arms, had to separate him into 3 seperate parts and seal him away. Ch'rell heard the legend of the Demon Shredder and took the name for himself. But he out crazied the original, a literal DEMON, earning him the title of The One TRUE Shredder.
36:14 In the 2003 version of the Foot Clan it's supposed to be a dragon's foot and it's also a hint to his real identity as Ch'rell because the symbol even looks like him too.
46:54 you wanna talk about mastering 1000 Years of Death... Bloodborne pigs can attest to the Hunters' mastery with the number of prostate exams they've been gotten.
2003 TMNT: have mutilation 4Kids: nothing wrong hear Yu-Gi-Oh: has guns and death 4Kids THATS ILLEGAL CANCEL THEM IMMEDIATELY!!!! (obviously they didn't cancel it)
Don't forget they also decided in Yu-Gi-Oh that they can't say people were killed, but instead sent to a place of eternal torment aka the Shadow Realm. Which is a fate worse than death!
2003 tmnt is and always will be my favorite. Theres so many dark moments and things done that push the pg limit and is imo the perfect middle ground for what 2012 was and what the original series was
Apparently orochimaru becomes a dad/mom and attends pta meetings. Just casually shows up to the leaf village to support his clone/son. Naruto : look I am to busy to pay attention to my kid. You gotta show up to these pta meetings or you violate your parole. Orochimaru: no problem . I always may time for my test subjects/kid. Naruto: ignoring that. Ok thanks 😊
Nux, if anything, CJ underplayed how much of a menace Shredder was in TMNT 2003 because the video was getting too long. He just had to focus on the highlights, but there is so much implied history like his participation in the interdimensional Battle Nexus Tournament for instance. There is literally a 3 way Shredder War. There is a dark timeline where Shredder rules. This Shredder has a successor, AND a digital backup copy that manifested itself into a Shredder clone that escaped the internet. And to top it all off, this man was a fraud. We aren't even discussing the OG Tengu Shredder who he stole his name and flow from. I mean, everything with Karai was an after thought. Literally was his twisted take on Bushido
Oh, he's no fraud. He may have stolen the name of Shredder from the Demon Shredder, but he MADE it his own. Demon Shredder would never have gone as far as Utrom Shredder did. He may not have been the original, but he is The One TRUE Shredder
@@autumbreeze1129 You got a point, but I woulddn't downplay Tengu Shredder. He one shot their Superman after all. So we'll just have to wait for the next roundtable episode to see if he can make the cut
Couple of things not outright said, but I think could be interpeted to make Shredder even more despicable; I think Shredder's crimes are possibly a lot more numerous - in the space trial, all crimes he was found guilty of, were only those they could find undisputed evidence and testimonies to, but they didn't mention anything of the stuff he did on earth for example, which leads me to the conclusion that those confirmed civillian casualities (just civs, not counting the people he sent to slaughter on his side or the enemy troops) are probably just the surface, he could've terrorized multiple planets from the shadows with probably millions, if not even billions of unconfirmed victims, without anyone being any wiser. Another point for this, not mentioned in the video, but around the time when they were on the ship, right before dino dude fought Shredder, you can see his robots, some purely just killer bots, but couple others were a lot more human: Shredder had a plan to create androids and replace some major world leaders, so that civil war type stuff could've happened on earth if that boat didn't sink - I'll say, the dude was about to start World War III (there's a reason we never got to see what he was doing in the first half of 1900s...)
He is the best version of shredder ever no remorse no feeling no emotions no retirement quality just a purely evil character 100 percent pure evil one of my favorite versions
You've yet to see the other two Shredders from this show. One of them had a massive demon army and kickstarted the apocalypse, the other took over cyberspace and tried to Red Wedding Casey and April.
4K!DS: We can’t have an anime from Japan showing kids cigarettes or blood. But the American show let them see the corpses especially if it involves torture.
I don't know if you know about DC's The Anti-Monitor but in a comic crossover, Kraang managed to kill him and convert his body into a mech suit. he then managed to fuse the dc multiverse and tmnt multiverse where the classic funny batman and original turtles were captured. the tmnt, shredder, batfamily and batman villains had to unite against Kraang. and in a comic before that, Bane actually ended up in the turtles dimension and took over the foot clan while combining venom and mutagen. Bane actually needed batman, splinter and shredder to team up on him
Shredder's plan had a serious flaw. He was going back to the Utrom homeworld and take over out of revenge. Except they had 1000 years to advance their tech while Shredder has been stuck on Earth with Earth's tech progression. He won't have anywhere near the needed equipment.
Fun fact: In at least one timeline, the chemical spill that gave the TMNT's their powers was the same chemical spill that gave Matt Murdock (AKA Daredevil) his powers.
It's especially funny that The Foot is a parody of The Hand ninja clan from Marvel. Also, the vintage Mirage and current IDW comics are best toitle lore.
Yes and no? He's technically a different iteration, but the version of the TMNT universe used for that crossover is *almost identical* to the the 1989 iteration. The Shredder seen here specifically seems to have the design of 1989's , but is closer in skill and personality to 2012. It makes sense tho, having Ra's al Ghul overshadow Shredder as a threat would have felt weird. So having him be the serious and absolutely cracked fighter that can 1v1 Batman like 2012, while keeping the classic design, was a good compromise.
This is the tip of turtle lore. Theres the comic lore which is insane then each tv show has their own lore thats based on the comics but has their own spin that also more lore.
Nux fun fact, Ninja Turtles originally were the pets of Marvel's Daredevil because they started out as parodies of Daredevil comics. You literally see a blind boy implied to be Matt Murdock who drops the Turtles down the sewers with the ooze. BUT to this day, they have NEVER crossedover or officially met each other.
This Shredder is actually insane. The worst hate boner in the history. Even Reverse Flash didn't want to kill Barry because doing so would kill him as well. Shredder didn't give a fuck.
After his first defeat, Shredder had Leonardo escape and return to April's home. Having Leonardo leading the Foot Clan there, since they did not know where the Turtles and Splinter were hiding.
Fun fact: Everything up until when the Turtles raid Shredder's tower is a pretty direct, albeit censored, adaptation of the 1984 comic. They just replaced Utrom Shredder being a colony of sentient worms that took Oroku Saki's form after consuming his corpse & were granted sentience by Foot Mystics after the real Shredder's death (don't ask but the show references and uses both), with him secretly being an alien in an exosuit. Hell, Utrom Shredder literally dies in the world of the same issue of TMNT where the original 1984 Shredder died as well. Literally bringing things full circle.
I was born in 97 but I was able to watch the live-action 90's movie I wasn't able to watch the 87 turtles cartoon but I was able to watch the 2003 and onward cartoons/shows and 87 shredder might be a goober but I still love him even if he's not as menacing as the others like 2003 shredder.
Man, when Shredder picked up his head for the first time...I knew he was a Demon. And that Lore was my favorite iteration of him. Can't wait for CJ to go over Oroku Saki who sold his soul.
Ch"rell just took the name shredder after he hearing the legends of tengu shredder story from a book or some fella telling a bedtime story to his/her kids. Making him an unofficially Successor to tengu shredder. And what tengu shredder couldn't achive while the utrom shredder can is that tengu shredder only wanted to conquer the world into his image, while the utrom shredder however have done more than just earth, his terror spreads through other galaxies as he commited a galactic warcrime, and once he manage to conquer the utrom homeworld he return back to earth and conquer it as seen in same as never was episode.
2003 Shredder is getting the recognition he deserves and I love it, fr tho you should watch the next one when it's out it's some cracked anime shit tbh
i will stand by this statement. when shredder went to erase the og turtles it should have been Baxtor trying to erase shredder form the multiverse but coming to accept that he's better than that. would that have been as cool as the 2 foot tall genocidal squid trying to kill himself in the most complicated manor, no but would i have paid more money to see Baxtor get a win, yes.
The Radioactive Ooze that created the turtles might or might not have been the same ooze that splashed Matt Murdock giving him the ability to become daredevil when he grew up. Also the 80s Shredder is voiced by Uncle Phil
Shredder is the same person every time. There're just different versions of the character with each TMNT iteration/show. Just like how there are different iterations of Shaggy with each Scooby Doo series. But each iteration of Shredder is an inhuman menace with zero mercy or concern for others. He's killed, deformed, and ruined people. He takes results over lives and has no empathy for what costs are needed to conquer the world.
"Stockman is lucky he got a second chance."
Well that didn't age well.
Stockman disagrees
What he didn't go into is Stockman's fate after Shredder was banished. He ended up creating a new flesh-and-blood body for himself, but he rushed it, and it started rapidly rotting and decaying and taking his mind with it, slowly turning him into a delirious zombie before he finally died. That SHOULD have been the end of his suffering, but his new boss, Bishop, wasn't done with him, so he revived him. Stockman made it clear that he would've preferred to stay dead.
And so nux remembered that there are in fact fates worse then death
I ended up looking at the eclipse again, some of it was on stockman. he had a lot of pride before the fall moments.
He did at least get a good ending in Fast Forward. Bishop made him a new body.
I still remember how I lost my shit as a kid when Shredder casually picks up his head and walks away
That had me so scared at the time. I thought it was so cool though
"Are the shredders different people or different takes on the same character?"
yes.
This Shredder is a menace to not just society but to all creation and god I love it
TO THE WHOLE MULTIVERSE
Just a multiverse
@@michaelangel6165in their existence it’s all creation
@charliezard725
Unless you go down the Omniverse rabbit hole. Since every TMNT incarnation is its own universe, that would include crossovers.
1:15 To answer your question, pretty much different in background depending on the universe. To sum up how they act in terms of the _animated_ series…
1987 Shredder: Iconic goofball
2003 Shredder: ruthless and craves conquest
2012 Shredder: vengeful and incredibly petty (you will see why)
Rise Shredder: ridiculously OP demon (given what those specific Turtles could do, it makes perfect sense why they made the most notable villains of the franchise so much stronger)
also 2003 ALSO has multiple shredders
utrom shredder: violent, sadistic war criminal
karai shredder: noble demon blinded by petty revenge who is not nearly as bad as her dad
cyber shredder: pretty weaksauce knockoff
demon shredder: powerful corrupted hero who turned into a power hungry demon (also the guy who Utrom shredder stole the identity of to further legitimise his criminal organisation)
@@sarafontanini7051compared THAT demon shredder to Rise tho… which one do you prefer?
@@donovan802 Tengu Shredder from 2003 is honestly better in my opinion. But its tough to say if its because he's actually more badarse or if its because Rise of TMNT was so woefully short that its Shredder BARELY got time to really shine outsude of the, admittebly amazingly animated, fight scenes
@@filipvadas7602 Blame Viacom, to give Nickelodeon the okay, to cancel Rise. Not giving the writers the heads up, and calling them to say, “The shows cancel.” While still finishing up the current season, they were still on.
@@deadphones5041yup, sounds about right for Nickelodeon and Viacom
Honestly my favorite thing about Stockman was the fact that regardless of how many body parts he was missing, he NEVER missed the opportunity to be a snarky smartass, even to Shredder
Probably didn't help his case tbh
@@mr.protagonist5639At a certain point, he’s just like “I got nothing left to lose.”
I imagine they made him such a smartass to help downplay the horrific mutilation he went through. Having a sympathetic or likable character go through the same thing probably wouldn't fly.
Fun fact: the foot clan is a parody of the hand, which is the daredevil ninja clan from Marvel. Also, the ooze that mutated the turtles is also the chemicals that blinded daredevil
Splinter is a Stick parody too
@benjamindebo9283 yeah but Splinter...Sticks...I'll go get the rope
Except the TMNT has been longer than daredevil
@adolforodriguez7185 daredevil has tmnt beat by 20 years. Daredevil first came out in 1964, and tmnt came out in 1984
Reminder that this was 4KIDS! And yet they managed to make this Shredder get away with all that shit.
It helps that one of the comic's co-creators, Peter Laird, was working on the show.
How!!!!!!!!!
Its like Gargoyles on the Disney Afternoon, am I right? The maturity, the dark themes, the plot twists just amp for that ONE show.
Its cuz they were making it themselves and not importing it so they had control over what they could get away with.
We see Shredders head fall over while everything is black and no blood spilling out
Leonardo gets stabbed but we never see the wound, the sword go through him and we just heard a stabbing noise.
Its just making loop holes pass censors
It's easier to get around censorship to make a show than localisation look up how batman tas got around it @nimajack-gj1fz
Batman vs Shredder was from a Batman vs TMNT Crossover Movie.
Which was an adaptation of a storyline from the comics. Batman and the Turtles crossed a good number of times, the movie's credits prove it with the cover shots.
It needs a sequel involving the Justice League.
It wasn’t just a kids show this was the tmnt 4kidz show that ran for years and I really like how creative the writers got to get around censorship. This incarnation of the turtles is surprisingly dark . It shows what happens when the writing staff actually tries. Especially since this show was one of its big money makers.
Unfortunately, Season 4 was not only when they REALLY got dark, but they pushed the envelope a bit too far, which led to Season 5 being skipped, and Fast Forward being made. Now, I like Fast Forward and I still wished we got another season of it with the TriShreddertron and more Dark Turtles, but you can't deny that there was a reason that season had a lighter tone.
@@SpideyfanX
It kind of sucks when the censors ruin a good thing.
@@brawl8 Yeah, but at the same time, with how dark Insane in the Membrane was, and that scrapped episode about Garbageman? It's not like 4Kids didn't have a reason to try and make TMNT more kid friendly. Doesn't excuse their censoring of anime, however.
@@SpideyfanX
Pretty sure I and bunch of kids who were 11 at the time were fine with the direction the show was going. Kids can handle intense scenes. Yeah I get where peolle are coming from. Often the censor ship is ridiculous. Especially in anime. I truly appreciate how creative writers can get to depict such a vile villain. Especially now a days where public Saturday morning cartoons have such restrictions. The only place that I know you could show this show as it is . Publicly Is on cable and even then you have to have a special time slot.
@@brawl8Kids back in the day,that is.
Yeah Shredder’s real name has always been Oroku Saki. Splinter however changes between Hamato Yoshi and Yoshi’s pet rat based on the version you’re viewing.
Yeah, in the 2012 iteration, Splinter was a human who fused with a rat upon contacting the mutation ooze.
@@emircanozad914same thing as the 80s
Yeah it depends on how the mutants work usually
13:40 Nux: Dude, they took his eye! It can't get worse that!
Nux, you sweet summer child. How little do you know.
CJ didn't even show that Stockman made himself a clone body, but that it was unstable, slowly fell apart and melted away.
@@The_Killah29which was somehow what drew the line for 4kids
@@The_Killah29To be fair, Baxter's inability to create a sustainable body wasn't Shredder's fault.
@egxtra Well, it was basically Shredder's fault he is in the predicament that required him needing to make that body.
@@The_Killah29that just means that Shredder was the cause of the problem, not the reason for the failure of the solution
I love how Nux goes from "He's just a guy with knives on his hands who fights turtles" to "This guy is actually trying to destroy the multiverse". XD
I was always tired of people debating which TMNT between 2003 and 2012 was better because I think most of us agree they are both amazing. BUT, while I am slightly biased towards the 2012 show since that’s how I started learning about TMNT, and (without spoiling) I still really love what they did with Shredder there, I can see why people put 2003 Shredder on a much higher pedestal because, at least compared to the 2012 version, the 2003 version actually keeps his word on punishments whereas 2012 shows OCCASIONAL tolerance for failure.
I 100% agree. 2012 Shredder was evil but 2003 Shredder is a damn menace and I have never seen the 2003 TMNT!! I love 2012 more than all of them but even I can agree 2003 Shredder was a nightmare
plus its kinda hard to top being SO petty you're willing to destory all of reality including yourself JUST so you can be rid of your archenemies
@@sarafontanini7051 oh I thought you were spoiling future iterations 😂 my bad
Honestly, that debate is kinda stupid; no one’s gonna fault ya for liking one or the other… or both. They’re both amazing interpretations.
@@sarafontanini7051 I wanna say that 2012 is 1/3 or 1/2 as petty as 2003 shredder. This was WILLINGLY to kill splinter instead of saving earth. He even said that earth could destroyed for all he cared. But 2003 shredder takes the cake
The exact look on Nux's face when he finds out about the millions of bodies Ch'rell has stacked over the centuries couldn't be any more accurate to how evil he was
Ch'ell was literally Frieza levels of tyrannical
1. Its kind of hillarious how 1987 Shredder was just a goober and then 4Kids of all things counterbalanced him by creating an iteration that is a genocidal egomaniac and *easily* one of the biggest haters in all of fiction.
And the thing is that basically every version of TMNT afterwards has take *some* level of inspiration from this show. Its THAT iconic.
2. If CJ is willing to dedicate this much effort to a legend of saturday-morning-cartoon fame like Shredder, then the OG himself *Megatron* has to get his due eventually.
Fun fact:
The Sword of Tengu has an image of Ch'rell on its pommel. The foreshadowing for the twist was lowkey really well done.
If Megatron himself is to be made a candidate to the roundtable, I want CJ to cover the Transformers Prime version of it. All the way to Predacons Rising since it's the actual grand finale for Prime.
If CJ makes a video about megatron, i want one for vilgax and aku, and darkseid is also a great candidate.
@@youssefyasser9621 Let's go with which one takes the shortest amount of time for it. But when we cover Megatron, I want CJ to cover the Transformers Prime iteration all the way to the Predacons Rising movie.
@@emircanozad914I mean, if you want Megatron’s that were real threats, then you have to go to Unicron Trilogy. He literally tried to destroy the Universe and remake it in his image, even took out a weakened Primus, and intended to abandon his team to the wrath of a Black Hole that was going to destroy the universe because to him, if they aren’t “strong enough to survive, that’s their problem”… oh yea and when he lost he still tried to destroy the universe…
@@Megamanlanprime So we pretty much go with the most destructive iteration then?
49:31 bro doesn't even have MUSCLES LEFT TO EXHAUST, and shredder is STILL ENSLAVING HIM!
Dio: I am going to spend my time making life difficult for the Jostars.
Utrom Shredder: After conducting a cost/benefit analysis, I have concluded that the destruction of the multiverse (my life included) is is an acceptable cost for the destruction of every version of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Oh wow, they didn't even mention Baxter becoming a rotting corpse falling apart... ON 4-KIDS!
To be fair, that didn’t happen until after he stopped working for Shredder and started working for Agent Bishop
@@masterofchaos7282 Not to mention, they never even aired that episode on 4Kids since it was too dark to properly censor.
@Omeyrolx_theChessmaster wait they didn't air that episode on 4-kids? What did they air it on? Cause i swear i remember seeing that when i was younger and being understandably horrified
@@lucasparadox6823 Looked it up, apparently it DID air in the UK at the time, but it wasn't until 2015 that it aired on TV on Nicktoons.
Aired here in Australia too on Toasted TV on the 10 Network.
It was insane @lucasparadox6823
11:19 apparently it’s because Baxter Stockman was intelligent to the point where shredder didn’t want to kill him off
Considering Stockman was half the reason Earth's tech got to where it was in Fast Forward, I'd say Ch'rell was smart to keep him around.
The original TMNT comic from Eastman and Lairs was actually meant to be very dark and a nod to Frank Miller’s Daredevil.
The ‘87 show changed a lot to make them more kid friendly, but also did add a lot of the things people familiarize the turtles with, such as their different colored bandannas and love for pizza.
One of the original creators recently stepped back into TMNT with the graphic novel The Last Ronin, which has garnered so much acclaim that it has been green-lit for a film adaptation.
~_~
Growing up, us kids put Shredder in the same league as Slade from Teen Titans. Top tier cartoon villains right there.
Some of the best TMNT stories came out after Shredder's defeat caused a power vacuum and just when things settle down, he makes his return in grandiose and ruthless fashion. He's always gone just long enough for you to feel safe, only to come back with a vengeance.
Yeah, both shows were made in 2003.
Wait... How did you not know there were aliens in ninja turtles. Aliens have been in every single ninja turtle show. Even in the original.
It probably didn't hit him as a kid that aliens are a thing in TMNT, since the main focus has always been about sewer turtles learning ninjitsu from their adoptive rat father. I don't even think aliens are a thing in the live-action films from the 90's, so they may not even be relevant in every incarnation.
2003 intergalactic war criminal Shredder was indeed the best Shredder. Literally had demons obeying him of their free will he was so BAMF.
Oh yeah, he had gangs, mutants, human experiments, literal Demons, a Ninja cult and at one point an alien bounty hunter named Slashur. I think Leo even found his helmet in the Battle Nexus Tournament hall of fame. So add interdimensional badass to the list
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Tbf, I believe his helmet in the Battle Nexus was actually a reference to the comics, in which the Turtles meet an alternate heroic and honorable version of the Shredder.
@@gent777 Wha-, wait, I just. COme again?! The only honorable Shredder I know of is from Mikey's Superhero universe adventure. This was a thing? Which Shredder is it based off of? The Utrom, the human? You said comic, did TMNT 2003 have comics?
@@JakeSmith-mq5dc
The original comic series that started in 1984, which the 2003 TV series is based on.
@@gent777 Oh, so that good Shredder entered the Battle Nexus Tournament?
I was absolutely waiting to see if you'd cover this. The 2003 Shredder was the best the franchise has had thus far, and this explains why. Oh, and this wasn't even the only Shredder in that series. There was also the Demon Shredder that Ch'rell took the mythological name from, and a digital version of Ch'rell that was made and released due to time travel. Ch'rell did more intergalactically, but the trial didn't include stuff his digital remnant did.
Don't forget Kurai took over the Shredder mantle and went to war with the turtles as well.
@@JakeSmith-mq5dc true... though Kurai herself wasn't as much the danger as the Mystics, who were quick to bring back the Demon Shredder. Kurai was a bit more of a danger before she took on the mantle, in my opinion at least.
@@mixofreak You're not wrong, but I feel like her taking up the mantle is more of a compounding effect that makes the Shredder experience more terrifying and impactful on a few levels.
His ideology got a legacy in his victim of a daughter we're rooting to break the cycle, narratively it psyches out the audience luring us into a false sense of security that we'll never deal with the REAL Shredder again only to do it repeatedly again.
@@JakeSmith-mq5dc while true, and I liked her arc with that, it somewhat ended with her working for the good of the world, whereas the digital copy of Ch'rell contined after he was destroyed, which was only lacking because the last bit of the series faltered from writing, not from the voice acting or characters involved.
@@mixofreak Yeah, I wonder if the next CJ video will tough on her and Tengu Shredder.
At the end of the day, Nux might here the lore, but it's a whole other thing to actually experience it first hand. One video isn't enough to give the TMNT Shredder justice.
34:00 Shredder: Decapitation? I'll walk it off.
The show really had Stockman begging to be put out of his misery and being denied.
I dub this version of Shredder the KING OF THE MENACES!!! His Design is badass and his voice fits him perfectly making him even more badass to watch plus his quotes while not many are just plain good. The exact reason why he is my favorite cartoon villain.
Oh ABSOLUTELY
Nux: He's lucky he got a second chance.
Chat: "Who's gonna tell him?"
50:30 For context, Stockman and Hun were trying to kill the new tech lead (who idolize Baxter and gave him said robotic body) and Karai (the Shredder's adopted daughter) and make it look like an accident. They're not exactly innocent either.
Nux went from being Shredder's defendant to being his prosecutor during the trial 😂.
So the reason the Ninjas in TMNT are the Foot clan is because OG TMNT was a parody of Frank Miller Daredevil.
That ooze that mutated the turtles? Thats the same ooze that messed up Matt Murdock.
The Ninjas called "The Foot"? In Daredevil, they're "The Hand".
The sensei Master? In TMNT, its Splinter. Daredevil, it's Stick.
At 57:08 Nuxanor: He's not some Thanos villan who's gonna snap all life out of existence.
5 minutes later
Shredder: I'm totally gonna snap all life out of existence.
If you fail Shredder, he'll make you suffer a fate worse than Hell. Enough to make even the Devil cringe in horror.
Nux, if you think the Utrom Shredder is crazy now, it's even more extreme than you think.
He WASN'T the first Shredder of that universe.
The original Shredder was a literal Tengu Demon that attacked 300 A.D. Japan.
5 warriors, who had seperately mastered 1 facet of Ninjitsu, were chosen to defeat it, one of them being a man named, guess what?
Oroku Saki.
Saki then allowed the Tengu to possess him and became The Demon Shredder, a being so powerful, the other 4 warriors, his brothers and sister in arms, had to separate him into 3 seperate parts and seal him away.
Ch'rell heard the legend of the Demon Shredder and took the name for himself.
But he out crazied the original, a literal DEMON, earning him the title of The One TRUE Shredder.
It's kinda crazy when the cover band is better than the original.
36:14 In the 2003 version of the Foot Clan it's supposed to be a dragon's foot and it's also a hint to his real identity as Ch'rell because the symbol even looks like him too.
46:54 you wanna talk about mastering 1000 Years of Death... Bloodborne pigs can attest to the Hunters' mastery with the number of prostate exams they've been gotten.
This version of Shredder... Oh Boy! Rarely does One see such villainy in a Children's cartoon series. Back when studios had Guts!
2003 TMNT: have mutilation
4Kids: nothing wrong hear
Yu-Gi-Oh: has guns and death
4Kids THATS ILLEGAL CANCEL THEM IMMEDIATELY!!!! (obviously they didn't cancel it)
Don't forget they also decided in Yu-Gi-Oh that they can't say people were killed, but instead sent to a place of eternal torment aka the Shadow Realm. Which is a fate worse than death!
Don't forget the Squirtle Squad episode of Pokémon when Ash was literally held at gun point!!!
To make things even funnier... Utrom Shredder isn't even the only Shredder in his own universe.
Oh God...the Tengu Shredder was 100x worse!!!
2003 tmnt is and always will be my favorite. Theres so many dark moments and things done that push the pg limit and is imo the perfect middle ground for what 2012 was and what the original series was
Shredder has not only fought Batman but he's also fought the Power Rangers and stole the Green Ranger powers for himself.
Respect destroying all of reality and yourself just to kill your enemy
Apparently orochimaru becomes a dad/mom and attends pta meetings. Just casually shows up to the leaf village to support his clone/son.
Naruto : look I am to busy to pay attention to my kid. You gotta show up to these pta meetings or you violate your parole.
Orochimaru: no problem . I always may time for my test subjects/kid.
Naruto: ignoring that. Ok thanks 😊
Nux, if anything, CJ underplayed how much of a menace Shredder was in TMNT 2003 because the video was getting too long. He just had to focus on the highlights, but there is so much implied history like his participation in the interdimensional Battle Nexus Tournament for instance. There is literally a 3 way Shredder War. There is a dark timeline where Shredder rules. This Shredder has a successor, AND a digital backup copy that manifested itself into a Shredder clone that escaped the internet. And to top it all off, this man was a fraud. We aren't even discussing the OG Tengu Shredder who he stole his name and flow from.
I mean, everything with Karai was an after thought. Literally was his twisted take on Bushido
And mind you, this is only one Shredder that CJ covered since there are two more iterations to cover.
Oh, he's no fraud.
He may have stolen the name of Shredder from the Demon Shredder, but he MADE it his own.
Demon Shredder would never have gone as far as Utrom Shredder did.
He may not have been the original, but he is The One TRUE Shredder
@@autumbreeze1129 You got a point, but I woulddn't downplay Tengu Shredder. He one shot their Superman after all. So we'll just have to wait for the next roundtable episode to see if he can make the cut
@@JakeSmith-mq5dc I think the next trial is the 2012 iteration. The 3D animated show.
@@emircanozad914 One of the silhouettes looked like the 2012, but the Shredder shadow with the torn cape is likely the Tengu Shredder
Couple of things not outright said, but I think could be interpeted to make Shredder even more despicable;
I think Shredder's crimes are possibly a lot more numerous - in the space trial, all crimes he was found guilty of, were only those they could find undisputed evidence and testimonies to, but they didn't mention anything of the stuff he did on earth for example, which leads me to the conclusion that those confirmed civillian casualities (just civs, not counting the people he sent to slaughter on his side or the enemy troops) are probably just the surface, he could've terrorized multiple planets from the shadows with probably millions, if not even billions of unconfirmed victims, without anyone being any wiser.
Another point for this, not mentioned in the video, but around the time when they were on the ship, right before dino dude fought Shredder, you can see his robots, some purely just killer bots, but couple others were a lot more human: Shredder had a plan to create androids and replace some major world leaders, so that civil war type stuff could've happened on earth if that boat didn't sink - I'll say, the dude was about to start World War III (there's a reason we never got to see what he was doing in the first half of 1900s...)
He is the best version of shredder ever no remorse no feeling no emotions no retirement quality just a purely evil character 100 percent pure evil one of my favorite versions
20:40 Yes Master Nux. My king of lore. My dad from another timeline. The best of the best. *glazing too much overload*
You've yet to see the other two Shredders from this show. One of them had a massive demon army and kickstarted the apocalypse, the other took over cyberspace and tried to Red Wedding Casey and April.
Still sad we never got the season with all three of them fighting
@@nindroid4795That would've been amazing if it was made.
Between Shredder and the turtles, he is the one that is cold blooded.
Utrom Shredder is the most terrifying force in fiction: a villain with plot armor.
20:47 YES BOSS, NUXPENTIOUS!
Bro has no idea how dark 2003 TMNT got, and this shredder is probably the most ruthless of the shredders.
4K!DS: We can’t have an anime from Japan showing kids cigarettes or blood. But the American show let them see the corpses especially if it involves torture.
Blame the mom groups at the time and wee bit of xenophobia
I don't know if you know about DC's The Anti-Monitor but in a comic crossover, Kraang managed to kill him and convert his body into a mech suit. he then managed to fuse the dc multiverse and tmnt multiverse where the classic funny batman and original turtles were captured. the tmnt, shredder, batfamily and batman villains had to unite against Kraang. and in a comic before that, Bane actually ended up in the turtles dimension and took over the foot clan while combining venom and mutagen. Bane actually needed batman, splinter and shredder to team up on him
Shredder's plan had a serious flaw. He was going back to the Utrom homeworld and take over out of revenge. Except they had 1000 years to advance their tech while Shredder has been stuck on Earth with Earth's tech progression. He won't have anywhere near the needed equipment.
With shredder sheer force of will and hatred I think he could manage
This was one of my favorite shows to watch growing up.
TMNT is a story about turtles that getting involved with street level gangs at the beginning and multiverses threats at the end 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Turtles Forever 2, PLEASE!!! 1987, 2003, 2012, Rise, and Mutant Mayhem crossover!! Make it happen!
9:38 Nux's fight or flight instincts kick in:
Fun fact: In at least one timeline, the chemical spill that gave the TMNT's their powers was the same chemical spill that gave Matt Murdock (AKA Daredevil) his powers.
It's honestly such a cool idea to mix two main villains from the 80's show (Shredder and Krang) and turn them into a nightmarish evil lord antagonist
It's especially funny that The Foot is a parody of The Hand ninja clan from Marvel. Also, the vintage Mirage and current IDW comics are best toitle lore.
Shredder trying to use a better Shredder but that destroying Shredder is really funny to me 🤣
It left out the best part, Bebop and Rocksteady plugged the death beam back in, they killed the unkillable Shredder
Seems fitting Bebop and Rocksteady saved the multiverse!
Out of curiosity, isn't that "Goofy" Shredder the SAME shredder that gave batman a run for his money?
Similar design, but no.
@@donovanblackwelder4301 ah. Thank you for the answer.
Yes and no? He's technically a different iteration, but the version of the TMNT universe used for that crossover is *almost identical* to the the 1989 iteration.
The Shredder seen here specifically seems to have the design of 1989's , but is closer in skill and personality to 2012. It makes sense tho, having Ra's al Ghul overshadow Shredder as a threat would have felt weird. So having him be the serious and absolutely cracked fighter that can 1v1 Batman like 2012, while keeping the classic design, was a good compromise.
@filipvadas7602 Thanks man.
It's not. It's actually the only animated incarnation of the IDW Shredder.
This is the tip of turtle lore. Theres the comic lore which is insane then each tv show has their own lore thats based on the comics but has their own spin that also more lore.
15:39 Mr. Beast got his employment tactics from the foot clan and shredder
saw this comment in the preview had to find it
TMNT Lore goes super hard
Nux fun fact, Ninja Turtles originally were the pets of Marvel's Daredevil because they started out as parodies of Daredevil comics. You literally see a blind boy implied to be Matt Murdock who drops the Turtles down the sewers with the ooze. BUT to this day, they have NEVER crossedover or officially met each other.
Finally dayum a video to take a break from all the controversy vidoes
Can’t wait for Cj to talk about 2012 Shredder
The pettiness is insane with him
Let's go! I was waiting for this one! Almost as hyped as for adventure time!
This Shredder is actually insane. The worst hate boner in the history. Even Reverse Flash didn't want to kill Barry because doing so would kill him as well. Shredder didn't give a fuck.
After his first defeat, Shredder had Leonardo escape and return to April's home. Having Leonardo leading the Foot Clan there, since they did not know where the Turtles and Splinter were hiding.
As a Brit, I am eternally grateful to Nux for the New York lore drop~♡
I remember Shredder was even trap in the internet and got out while made himself a new body. He was something else
Fun fact:
Everything up until when the Turtles raid Shredder's tower is a pretty direct, albeit censored, adaptation of the 1984 comic.
They just replaced Utrom Shredder being a colony of sentient worms that took Oroku Saki's form after consuming his corpse & were granted sentience by Foot Mystics after the real Shredder's death (don't ask but the show references and uses both), with him secretly being an alien in an exosuit.
Hell, Utrom Shredder literally dies in the world of the same issue of TMNT where the original 1984 Shredder died as well. Literally bringing things full circle.
they are called the foot Clan, because the Ninjas in Daredevil were called the Hand
Nux since its October I really hope that you continue finishing Spooky Month lore and and for you to check out the lore of Mr pickles.
This was my favorite turtles series ever
I was born in 97 but I was able to watch the live-action 90's movie I wasn't able to watch the 87 turtles cartoon but I was able to watch the 2003 and onward cartoons/shows and 87 shredder might be a goober but I still love him even if he's not as menacing as the others like 2003 shredder.
Man, when Shredder picked up his head for the first time...I knew he was a Demon. And that Lore was my favorite iteration of him. Can't wait for CJ to go over Oroku Saki who sold his soul.
Ch"rell just took the name shredder after he hearing the legends of tengu shredder story from a book
or some fella telling a bedtime story to his/her kids. Making him an unofficially Successor to tengu shredder. And what tengu shredder couldn't achive
while the utrom shredder can is that tengu shredder only wanted to conquer the world into his image, while the utrom shredder however have done more than just earth, his terror spreads through other galaxies as he commited a galactic warcrime, and once he manage to conquer the utrom homeworld he return back to earth and conquer it as seen in same as never was episode.
20:46 oh lord nux! The handsomest youtuber ! Our master!!!
20:47 Lord Nuxalore our glorious lore consuming king we are honored to revel in chaos with you.
Bro called Shredder the greatest hater. Eobard Thawne literally exists to hate
Exactly what i was thinking
2003 Shredder is getting the recognition he deserves and I love it, fr tho you should watch the next one when it's out it's some cracked anime shit tbh
Ok. Imma make this clear. Shredder has been around since 1984. That's when the comics came out. Not 87.
36:10 and that is why he's called Ultrom Shredder
Waiting semi-patiently for that new digital circus reaction
i will stand by this statement. when shredder went to erase the og turtles it should have been Baxtor trying to erase shredder form the multiverse but coming to accept that he's better than that. would that have been as cool as the 2 foot tall genocidal squid trying to kill himself in the most complicated manor, no but would i have paid more money to see Baxtor get a win, yes.
Well Baxter got a win in Fastforward. Yes, he's still alive.
little extra lore the utrom shredder didnt make the name shredder up. he took the name from a mythical demon with that name.
The Radioactive Ooze that created the turtles might or might not have been the same ooze that splashed Matt Murdock giving him the ability to become daredevil when he grew up.
Also the 80s Shredder is voiced by Uncle Phil
Damn, you know it's bad when not even Nux Goodman can defend them
30 years ago, I was 1st exposed to Shredder as my very 1st glimpse of conciusen. Then come my craving for top tier villains in media till this day
Shredder is the same person every time. There're just different versions of the character with each TMNT iteration/show. Just like how there are different iterations of Shaggy with each Scooby Doo series. But each iteration of Shredder is an inhuman menace with zero mercy or concern for others. He's killed, deformed, and ruined people. He takes results over lives and has no empathy for what costs are needed to conquer the world.
This show was my childhood. I watched this from start to end. Shredder was the one that started my love for the villains.
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