@@lorddoomer7271 You are correct. Unfortunately that only proves the weakness of Transformers Universes. Not the strength of Unicron. Both Primus and Unicron have a massive scroll list of feats that are quite limited. (Primus is the creator-god of light and the multiverse but cannot create Magic, New technologies, races of transformers immune to Unicron's evil and corruption (Including the 13 Primes), etc.) His greatest creations are the Matrix of Leadership, Vector Sigma, and the All-Spark (Each representing an aspect of Primus.... and all mostly useless against Unicron except the matrix and they only delay the inevitable in the cosmic robo war). Pretty weak for the "creator god". Unicron also has a massive host of abilities, which like Primus, sound big but are also very limited. His ability to destroy is not like Berus in Dragonball (Hakai). He still has to physically go and hit the target. Darkseid is better than that with his eye beams. His presence corrupts, but read how many times Transformers go near him, in him, and fight him without getting corrupted. That means the ability is either random or must be activated. Also none of them have shown that they emulate galxy destroying blasts. Most of the top tier in marvel do. Unicron most likely would lose to Thor (Not even counting Odinforce/Runemaster/etc.) and I'm not even counting Magic (which Unicron has little to no defense against). This is strongest in the universe of wood vs. strongest in the universe of metal. Who do you think wins?
@@dr1742 Limited? I'm betting right now that you don't know anything about the tf verse. nobody ever went near unicron without getting corrupted.( Except in the g1 continuity, but that can be excused as him being the weaker avatars). And how does it prove the weakness of transformers universe? Primus and unicron are two halves of their omnipotent god "the one"and hence only they can stand against each other. Primus couldn't make the 13 primes immune to unicrons corruption because their power levels are mostly equal in magnitude( unicron more powerful, but Primus is the wiser one amongst the two). Unicrons existence itself destroys space time. He casually destroyed the multiverse twice( and one of those times, transformers were a part of Marvel, so for the record, unicron has already defeated galactus) Unicron also casually destroyed the anti matrix, which holds and manipulates the entire zero space( zero space is the beginning and end of all existence). The fight between unicron and Primus was going to end the multiverse just as a side effect, until unicron was tricked by his brother, Primus. The magnitude of their powers effectively has not limit. Unicron casually replicates himself through the infinite curve ( the multiverse) in order to get an edge against his brother. And if you think that the Marvel multiverse is bigger than the tf verse, then please join discord so I can show you the scans that prove otherwise.
So one thing to remember that Galactus destroying planets isn't a feat... it's literally lunch. Same as you wouldn't flex that you ate a burger he eats worlds lol
Also Galactus didn't use the Ultimate Nullifier on Unicron. Unicron tried to use it on Galactus who ducked into a pocket dimensions to avoid it and then just ate what was left of Unicron prolly cause he was tired.
@Grimbear13 the gist of that ending could be summed up as Unicron stole Galactus's gun then tried to shoot him with it, Galactus dodged and then stole the gun back before popping a couple rounds into Unicrons head and saying "catchphrase!"
@@TheEmperorOfViltrum I've never tried, but I'll let you know once I get around to it (and yes I know I'm responding in response to someone elses comment, but I had to man, I just had to).
My guy, there is a difference between destroying planets and eating planets for food. Galactus just strolling through the Galactic Woods and comes upon a Nebula Bush and sees all those Planet Berries and goes Yum.
On One Hand I was surprised that Unicron was a Force of Nature in Evil, Violence, and Death, but on the Other Hand Galactus has Fought Multiple Gods Like Beings, has the Power Cosmic, and has a Unlimited Appetite that he can Drain Energy, honestly I’m surprised Galactus Won.
He shouldn't have. Even in the comic pages that Death Battle flashed in the video from Transformers, there are details they ignored that made the result a joke. Look at Legendary Grimlock's debunking video for more details, and even he barely scratched the surface, considering that Death Battle was supposed to be putting them both at their absolute best.
@@mixofreak Unicron is low hyperversal at best 💀. Galactus can destroy concepts and beat Mephisto. Just a small piece of Mephisto's power turned into an artifact capable of warping reality and messing with concepts. Unicron was downplayed, but so was Galactus. Unicron isn't beating Galactus at all.
@@toxicflame9783 Unicron literally wiped out a multiverse, in astral form, before ever having a physical form. Galen *survived* the destruction of the prior universe, gained his Hunger, and became Galactus. Unicron 'exists as long as evil does', and even after he stopped being a multiversal singularity (which would have destroyed the omniverse if not fragmented), he still could sense other versions of himself across different multiverses, and snatch heralds from multiverses where he already won, etc. Galactus was eaten by zombies. Galactus was one-shot by a non-Cosmic superhero flying through him fast enough. Galactus was literally talked out of eating Earth by Squirrel Girl and instead went off to eat a world with no life that tasted like nuts. You cannot honestly expect me to believe that Unicron-especially with all the evidence in comic pages that Death Battle flashed across the screen yet chose to ignore, in addition to other materials they didn't cite-could be taken down by Galactus. Unicron is an omniversal threat in canon fiction, across multiple versions. *At best*, Galactus has ever been a multiversal threat, and when powered up by outside forces, *not himself* .
You gotta love the hoops that Nux is willing to jump to just negate feats (even if what's being stated explicitly and shown from a being whose consistently at that level leaves little to abstraction)
@soulcyclone360 he can depower just about anyone, "oh you say you can destroy universes? Well I think you can only bust a mountain because the panel where you destroy the universe and reality literally shatters is just an exaggeration. In fact every other time is ALSO an exaggeration!"
Its less that they're not taking Galactus' defeats seriously. Its more that its explicitly stated later on that he can just evade or summon the ultimate nullifier, and so it really shouldn't have worked on him in the first comic run. It'd be like Iron Man having his suit turned on him. Do you really think that he doesn't have 1000 failsafes for that eventuality? Basically that.
By that logic no comic character should lose ever because everyone at some point had some kind of resistance against something. It's like "man this character's so coooool, he would never lose if it weren't for those pesky writers", Iron Man had his suit turned on him more times than the failsafes he had, it is completely normal that someone could hack him like that
That’s the thing too most of galactus loses are when he’s hungry when he’s hungry he’s weaker but a literally bone dry galactus almost destroyed a couple universes by accident because of annulus I just hate how marvel turned him into a stepping stone for characters like thanos and Thor both 1v1 him when he’s “stronger then ever before” and one hitting him and then people forget he’s like Superman our 616 is way stronger then any other galactus he’s the real one the multiverse eternity just saw galactus helps keeps balance and asked him if he can create one of him for all universes
Nux, the multiverse wasn't destroyed and remade without Unicron, because Unicron merged with the nullifier technology like cybertronians do with other technology and fired it himself. Galactus just avoided its attack by going into his private pocket universe, exited it when it was safe, ate Unicron, and thus Evil, Chaos, and Destruction have become merely a small part of Galactus.
I think its a bit deeper than that. When Galactus said "YOU KNOW NOT THE POWER YOU COMMND", he didn't mean "The Ultimate Nullifier is too strong for you", he meant "The Ultimate Nullifier's power is MY power, because it's a part of my being." By possessing the Ultimate Nullifier, Unicron literally GAVE himself to Galactus in mind, body and soul. Galactus absorbed him so easily because the new universe likely reasoned that Unicron = Nullifier, and Nullifier = part of Galactus, then Unicron = part of Galactus
@@galaxycamerata I never said that the Ultimate Nullifier was too strong for him, and I don't think it matters whether or not it made it easier to absorb him or not, because Galactus is just far stronger than him.
The thing is Unicron does have resistances to being consumed like that, and should be able to consume Galactus too. He’s known for energy absorption and can use even normal Energon to enhance his power. Really this fight probably should have been longer, but I’m pretty sure they discounted a lot - like how Galactus has been infected with a Zombie plague before, almost everything from the Japanese continuities, Unicron’s ability to absorb cosmic energies like the Power Cosmic, and even the comic that mentions that Unicron has consumed a Multiverse before… he just was stopped before he could consume the last bits of matter and split apart to attempt to weaken him. Also yea… possessing something like the Ultimate Nullifier doesn’t matter for making Unicron easier to consume as various TF canons have noted that when an item is possessed or becomes part of the Transformer, they have complete control over it, and not its previous user. See the Headmasters, Targetmasters and others for proof there.
The problem there is that it isn't just an item. The Ultimate Nullifier is literally as much a part of Galactus as his eyes. Made of and powered by the Power Cosmic. And so, by possessing it, Unicron again becomes PART of Galactus. And since Galactus resists corruption and external control very handily, theres only one other way for that interaction to go; Unicron is subsumed. I say all this AS a transformers fan, that Unicron ultimately lacks the tools necessary to actually beat Galactus in a straight fight; his best options involve steering clear or attempting subterfuge, and those arent options in this series.
@@galaxycamerata Actually, Galactus has been corrupted before. Once by a zombie plague and another version of him got corrupted by the All-Black Necrosword which turned him into an insane monster that destroyed planets out of malice. They also deeply downplayed Unicron by not showing the full extent of the Transformers cosmology. They said the Marvel multiverse is filled with an infinite number of infinite multiverses, but so does the Transformers multiverse. A single universe in the Transformers cosmology is the size of an infinite multiverse due to possessing infinite timelines, and timelines in Transformers have been confirmed to be full-fledged infinite universes and has countless dimensional layers. And again, that's the size of one universe, there's an infinite number of them. But that's not all, the Transformers cosmology also has "universal clusters that connect the Transformers franchise to other franchises like G.I. Joe, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Doctor Who, Star Wars, My Little Pony, Back To The Future, Ben 10, Mythos, etc; all of whom have their own infinite multiverses. Unicron is capable of destroying them all and he even did so in the past until The One split Unicron in half to create Primus. They also said Unicron has no experience fighting opponents on his level, which is incorrect. He fought Primus, his polar opposite, repeatedly with their battle tearing apart all of reality, has defeated the Anti-Matrix, who is a being so powerful that he controls the Zero-Space, which the beginning and end of all things, and has also fought the Thirteen, who have weapons that can collapse all planes of existence, including higher-level dimensions and infinite quantum realms
Nux, you do this every time. If you can believe that Goku can destroy the universe with a punch is pure fact, how come every time a comic character does something comparable, it's an exagerration?
I don’t think Nux understood what happened lmao😅 Unicorn took over the Nullifier when Galactus was going to use and instead used it on Galactus. Galactus survived this with his own pocket dimension and proceeded to kill Unicron
Galactus can both feed on planets and be a threat to the multiverse. Yes, it’s different power scales, but people also operate on different power scales simultaneously. For example, think of Light from Death Note simultaneously ending human lives while feeding on potato chips. If humans can both eat snacks and kill other humans, then Galactus can both eat planets and murder whole universes.
Galactus *survived* the destruction of the universe he came from. Unicron *caused* the destruction of a multiverse before the main G1 Marvel Transformers comics. In his Astral form, before he ever had a physical form. And that is one of the three weakest versions of Unicron across all official canon fiction that the Transformers fandom has. I like both, but Death Battle really made a joke of a finale, especially as they ignored information on comic pages *that they put up on screen behind them* .
@@variabilityman no, you and several others are misunderstanding the term Multiverse. In Marvel, the Multiverse is a singular Earth, plus any dimensions, realms, etc that are connected to it. Earth-616 is the main canon Marvel Multiverse, which has Earth, all the planets across it, Null Space, the Microverse, etc. That is *all* one *singular* multiverse. Earth-91274 (Marvel US) and Earth-120185 (Marvel UK) are both Marvel Transformers comics, *and separate Multiverses* , according to Marvel themselves. The Omniverse is all Multiverses, and anything else that can be imagined. The Transformers has an infinite universe in IDW, and Unicron Trilogy, but while both has fewer dimensions mentioned in their canon... Death Battle also referenced the canon that includes Earth-91274 (Marvel US) and Earth-120185 (Marvel UK), connecting them as one entity, because at one point, Unicron *was* one interconnected entity. Essentially, this fight was Galactus trying to destroy a piece of Unicron's hair, in comparison to that entity as a whole... and they put 'KO' before the rest all wiped Galactus out. *Picture that for context comparison* . Galactus cannot pull all versions of himself across every Multiverse to come to his aid. Unicron could, using the versions that Death Battle chose to utilize.
I’m shocked Nux missed what happened in the animation. Unicron took over the Ultimate Nullifier and fired it at Galactus, Galactus dodged into his pocket dimension and came back and just. Ate Unicron
An interesting piece of information that Death Battle left out is that Galactus is also an abstract entity, the abstract embodiment of the balance between Eternity and Death and also the guy who was supposed to rebirth the cosmos at one point. Also if you take the full context into account then the feats of threatening the multiverse look more impressive ironically.
They included that. They discussed the powers of eternity coming in and making him into who he was. I forget the exact wording, but it was very much what you were talking about. They also showed a specific comic panel at the same time that showed and named the aspects of Eternity being referenced.@@randomyoutuber2633
Galactus can get by with snacking on an occasional planet (about 1 per month, by Earth calendar for measuring time) because he *conserves* it as much as possible by limiting his exertions. He rebuilt his "homeworld" as a solar system sized space station, where he can conserve & store some of the energies he consumes...In his first appearance in the FF comic books, he used a machine to make the absorption process more *efficient* even though he can consume the planet directly. It's also why he chooses heralds to search out worlds that have active biospheres, so that he doesn't personally expend energy to do it. If he has to exert himself to consume a planet, he has to balance the energy used against its defenses compared to how much energy he can get from consuming it...If the "meal" isn't worth the effort, he'll move on. You may notice that at the end, Galactus was hungry enough to consume an entire galaxy... The reason why Galactus backed down when Reed Richards had the Ultimate Nullifier is NOT because Galactus feared being wiped from existence...No, no. The weapon can't destroy Galactus because it's a part of Galactus. Galactus was afraid that Reed would destroy *everything else* The Ultimate Nullifier was not a threat to Galactus, it was a threat to his food source. Uatu, the Watcher, said something to the effect that, if the multiverse crumbles, can Galactus survive? I've got one question about Unicron...Once he's destroyed the whole of existence then what's left? Is his programming to destroy everything going to make him self-destruct? Something tells me that somebody didn't really think this through well enough... During the battle, can we take a moment to appreciate that what we see ion the video is NOT the battle itself? The fight was occurring across the whole of the multiverse, on all planes & in all dimensions at the same time, including (but not limited to) the Astral Plane & the Psychic Plane, as well as across Time itself. The battle was happening on so many different levels that the human imagination to conceive of the overall scope of it is less than a tiny scratch on the smallest part of the tip of the iceberg. Let's appreciate that the Death Battle Team had to account for all of that when it came to power-scaling the fight between the two combatants.
"Consume all of reality in order to find peace in utmost nothingness" is listed as one of his goals... I've no idea wtf that even means either. He just wants to float in literal nothing just because he wants to? Honestly sounds like a childish edgelord of a goal that its already making me cringe
I dont always agree with death battle, but their review was pretty spot on. If we look at it simply it's like two people at the same level playing chess back and forth infinitely where they each win after eachother, the only way to stop that while winning is gonna be outside chess and i'd put my money on the guy who gets in street fights over the one thats doesnt, especially if they have a gun on their hip.
Yeah, I typically only watch a Death Battle after skipping to the results and seeing who wins, but seeing one of Galactus' feats was one-shotting Darkseid... yeah Unicron never stood a chance, much as I wish he won.
@@yourcollegedebt8384 honestly even without the nullifier he has some insanity. The main one i remember is when he defeated the fusion of celestials after they had jumped him and beat him, somehow. And celestial are meant to be threats to the universe by themselves
From someone who loves the analysis and has always entertained the idea of being one of their researchers, I think each person should watch their entertainment in the way that makes them happy. Some people just want to watch really cool animation and skip the math. I can respect that. Others may just watch in a different order, as the poster seems wont to do.@@beef3442
Nux: "These guys should be doing more than turning it into the most basic death battle 'which one is stronger', like that's so boring" Also Nux: "Experience? These are two guys sat across each other at a table each with a button that destroys more shit. Experience is completely irrelevant" So, you mean experience isn't relevant since each of them just destroy shit. Kind of sounds like the most basic death battle 'which one is stronger' mentality you're so against.
To those who are hasbro fans in the comments, did you notice that DB used the Haslab models for both Galactus and Unicron. You can tell by Unicron’s backpack.
Haslab Galactus model looks better than the Death Battle Galactus model though... Haslab's model looks really natural and technology-like, Death Battle's model looks more comic-accurate and a bit weirder proportions (like the comics)... (Also, thanks for mentioning this... Action figure collector here...)
Galactus was a little trickier to tell, because he was way smoother and normal looking. Honestly he sort of looked like a combination between the mvc3 model and the haslab
Unicron legit just turned himself into the Ultimate Nullifier and Galactus absorbed him because he had tied himself to Galactus' will by doing it. Hilarious
@@kingdamazo7266 naw, that's like being served a box of chocolate bon-bons. Oh, this one has a caramel center. This one has a fudge center. This one has a peanut butter center. And this last one has a mix of rancid meat and fecal matter.
Something that really annoyed me about this reaction is that nux kept trying to discount galactus and the ultimate nullifier. Like dawg, it’s literally stated to destroy and then rearrange the mutliverse, yet nux tryna argue what’s right in front of him. Not to mention that galactus has literally killed or fought people that can wipe out the multiverse so idk what he’s getting at. Like yea, galactus eats planets. But that’s like saying bc humans eat chips, we’re only mice level.
I agree, but I get where he is coming from. It's not Death Battles' way of doing things, they like to take the biggest feat, overanalyze nonsense, and figure out the speed feat of a cartoon giving the sun a black eye. Nux just wants to take artistic writing into account, keep the characters at a consistent scale rather than the strongest theoretical feat, and allow lines like 'shaking the multiverse' to be more figurative if they are not consistent with the rest of the lore. Here, I think he missed the mark because multiversal destruction feats *are* consistent, and I don't think he got that. Still, I respect the perspective as valid, even if I don't like to do it that way myself.@@muffetmissulena6540
I found it easy to follow, but then I wasn't pausing it every few seconds to interject comments to my fandom. That's bound to make it easier to miss small details like Unicrons' spark entering the nullifier rather than Galactus pressing the button. Not judging. This is Nux's reaction video, he has to do it, but I think it explains a few things he missed.@@dr.veronica6155
@@dr.veronica6155it is kinda a hard unless you pause every 5 seconds. You can see the energy ball coming from Unicron body entering the multiversal thingy and the thing turning purple and Galactus disappearing, Unicron saying he won and a bigger hungrier Galactus comes and eats him
The problem here is it wasn't actually the nullifier that beat Unicron, quite the opposite Unicron tried using it against Galactus instead and it just didn't work because of the obvious reasons. Then Galactus returned from his pocket plain and did the deed finishing of Unicron with hi9s own power.
14:54 Primus tricking Unicron is actually very heroic. Old hero stories usually involved the hero needing to learn deception in some way. This goes back to the ancient world even as, Jason, Heracles, Anasi, and Sun Wukong, are a few examples. Even in Marvel, the heroes do some shady shit sometimes.
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602tbh this was the one way they could feasible have unicron mitigated if it was the otherway around primus would working overtime to stop horn boy from devouring all existence
Even without the nullifier, Nux had it. A multiversal xenocide would mean nothing in this context, and wouldn't stop Galactus from eating, which would be all there was to do after that, because he has no malice in his destruction. Unicron would meet a forever death.
Also the fact that Galactus appeared to "eat" Unicron at the end there. There's a fair chance that Unicron isn't even truly "dead", he's just a permanent part of Galactus now. And since Galactus is basically True Neutral, there's no evil or malice in him for Unicron to use to reform.
@@Gabriel-oq8gsWell, until Galactus feeds again, at which point the fear and anger of the victim planet will serve as a kickstart for Unicron, who reforms around whatever is convenient, uses time/dimensional travel to escape from the immediate vicinity of Galactus, then uses his new ability to reproduce a fully functional Ultimate Nullifier powered by Dark Energon to create a MAD-style standoff with Galactus.
@@SarajevoKyoto Well we already know that Galactus can avoid the Ultimate Nullifier. At which case, all Galactus has to do is eat Unicron again. Like a meal that just won't sit well and keeps coming back up.
@@Gabriel-oq8gs that is only if Galactus knows everything, making it so that he can react to ultimate nullifier without having actual knowledge of it being fired, and I don't recall that being stated in his arsenal,but your free to show me otherwise.
Experience does matter in a fight. Remember homelander vs Omni Man. When you never come up against a challenge from someone your own size you are extremely out classed. Galactus has to go up against beings like the celestials, Phoenix force, Odin even beings that exist as abstract concepts. Chaos is just a drop in the bucket among other universal giga chads that Galactus has to overcome just to survive.
homelander vs omni man might not be the best example, Omni man can fly faster than light and break planets if he wants, the experience was a factor, but probably not that big of a factor
@@jakobwilliamzachariassen2640 that is a perfect example it's called experience. Omni Man wasn't that powerful just because. It's because his entire race works hard. No one is born that good or that fast. They can become that good and that fast. So can homelander but he is limited to the fact that there is nothing to challenge him so he never grows. Unicorn is so accustomed to being the biggest and most powerful for so long he doesn't really know what a challenge is.
@@ronaldshaw4309 except viltrumites straight up do become stronger with age without work, work helps, but they don't exactly need it, omni man on top of that is from a lineage of particularly strong viltrumites. experience is skill and knowing how to react to certain situations, put an experienced soldier up against a random bully and of course the soldier wins, but make that soldier into the hulk as well and the bully has litteraly no chance, even if you removed his experience as a soldier, bully vs hulk is gonna have an obvious result. my point is that even without his time as a soldier and conquerer of worlds, he'd almost certainly still kill homelander with no issue, homelander never really stood a chance, omni man could've killed him at any time by just being that much stronger and faster, and only didn't because he wanted to make it public and humiliate him
I would argue that even Mark with a week of practice could beat Homelander, albeit with more difficulty than his dad. Viltrumites are simply built different.
@@jakobwilliamzachariassen2640 hulk is a even worse example. He is consistently beaten by extremely trained and extremely less powerful foes. As a veteran myself I can say that power has its advantages but it never takes the place of intelligence and experience. Look at Tony stark Bruce Wayne, hell even Superman submitted to getting superior training in both physical and mental martial arts for a little while in his life. After spending time with people like Batman, green arrow, wonder woman, even lex luthor has shown him that relying on power is a recipe for ones undoing and on many occasions it was indeed their undoing. Galactus isn't a warrior or warlord by any means. He is a genius, a known survivor. He survived the destruction of his own universe and the creation of another. And he a fought for survival constantly since his new existence. Against beings that have the intelligence and power to bring about his death. Unicorn has nothing like that. His lack of adversity is stagnating his potential. And when he meets someone who is stronger or smarter or both it shows.
Normally; I'd agree with Nux's take on experience not mattering in this kind of scale, but I think with how Death battle put it, this is an exception. Unicron haven't fought anyone his own size ever aside from his brother, and who was it that tricked the other? Unicron would realistically have no way to know how to deal with something on his own level, and would most likely just fight and try the same thing for all of time. But Galactus having experienced multiple things on his own level means he knows that he needs tricks and cheats for those battles, and he is more than willing to do so, I mean that's the whole reason he made that ultimate nullifier weapon to begin with. So having that experience would definitely matter in this fight
It’s actually inaccurate to claim that Unicron has only fought Primus… it’s more that Unicron has fought Primus the most. Other gods of mythology exist and other entities besides Primus and Unicron are around - they generally though are more trying to hide away from Unicron as they fear him. Primus was created to be Unicron’s ultimate counter and even then Primus is technically weaker, having to go to long-term plans and schemes to weaken Unicron, while Unicron has brute forced through many of Primus’ schemes… just not all of them. Galactus does still have more experience than Unicron in those kind of battles but Death Battle did misconstrue that point somewhat.
@@theomega7699 Alternity is… wild to say the least. I sorta just surf through the web for online sites that pirate comics or just allow you to read them free.
@@DagothUrAmaranth ah yes, the universe with an infinite number of "I win buttons" loses to a glorified toy commercial for kids. I'm definitely not being sarcastic in any way, please take as much offence to this as possible.
Still better than claiming dimitri from fire emblem has mountain destroying swings and moves faster than sound. If they used that same scaling logic on wolverine than he should be outerversal by scaling to the greatest durability feat of Hulk’s strongest opponent like they scaled dimitri to rhea because he beat edelgard. And they even ignored the javelin that actually hit rhea’s scaling in order to wank her to the full damage of aliel when we can compare the hole in shambala’s ceiling to her body when she looks up to 8.5 tons of tnt, which edelgard still shouldn’t scale to because she and dimitri had help from an army armed with dragon killing weapons made to kill rhea’s species. It’s killed fire emblem vs for me because now everyone keeps pitting fe characters against characters that flatten them because of this wank
@@beef3442 I mean, they are basically really strong humans with magic and powerful weapons that band together to do incredible things. Death battle turning them into speedster monsters as strong as 4rth gear luffy is not the way to go. Dimitri even has actual super strength but it’s displayed in things like lifting a horse, carrying around large boulders, constantly breaking his weapons snd crushing a mans skull with one hand. If he and every other lord can bust mountains than stuff like this would be laughable normal and need not be highlighted as unusual
I don't think they were saying Galactus wins specifically because he's stronger and more experienced, but rather that those factors prevent Unicron from winning simply from overpowering Galactus with brute force which is usually Unicron's go-to method. Then Galactus wins because he has plenty of time to perform the conceptual erasure that couldn't be countered.
Fun fact. Unicron's Model is version of him from the Transformers Armada anime. Probably because it's the only version of a Planet Unicron that has received an English Toy release. Other versions of Planet Unicron are Recolors of the Armada one.
It’s actually the WFC version that came out a while back. The one that was like $1400. You can tell by all those panels on the back. That toy needed a support in order to stand lol.
Something that bugged me a bit here, is nux discounted the feat of Galactus's fighting threatening the multiverse, but it's the same as the dragonball feat where Goku fighting Beerus threatened the universe.
@@dakaraipatterson2986I mean there is a difference between these two feats One side 2 equal opposite battling would destroy the entire multiverse not may not threaten they will destroy the entire multiverse if they continued The other side is one person fighting someone significant stronger shaking a multiverse For this it’s not bias I have no clue what your taking about because this is the worlds view there is a reason marvel and dragon ball are different verses in terms of powerscaling
@silentwraith2931 it is tho. Galactus has threatened the multiverse on multiple occasions. Most of his normal feats are when he is hungry, starving, poisoned, or weakened. When he had like a good meal(like an entire earths worth of twinkies), he goes back to being unstoppable. Thanos and most of the big-time villains or gods can not mess with this man. Also, about 90 percent of fiction is statements. Goku fighting beerus is fine, but Superman, doing literally anything is just questionable? That is what I mean by biased. This man Galactus took a headbutt from odin, thor's father, and it did not even phase him. How is a guy who combined with multiple gods not gonna be as powerful as a multiverse if not beyond it. We are talking high level marvel characters. Once you get to Phoenix, Galactus, the beyonder etc: multiverse is the tip of the iceberg
@@dakaraipatterson2986 oh yeah but that’s not them being bias that’s how death battle scale they don’t view layers of infinity as real so they don’t believe scaling beyond the multiverse and beyond infinity are “real” ( I mean superman and goku 3 was the first time they used the idea of immeasurable speed) There research probably are decent scalers and probably use all the scaling types it’s just as the show of death battle they don’t use them as if you were a new viewer and say them talking about dimensionality and cosmology and layers / hierarchy they wouldn’t have a clue so they just remove the stuff thats beyond popular view (like ideas beyond the multiverse)
- Looks to me that Galactus decided to give Unicron an even worse fate than erasure: consuming and repurposing his chaotic essence. - Hm, pretty sure they've only done two toon-on-toon fights so far (Bill Cipher vs Discord, Scooby vs Courage), and very few toons outside of that (Popeye and Spongebob being the most significant, and they're still very recent).
I'm really enjoying watching your take on these. I sometimes agree with you, and just as often don't, but it's fun to see your reaction. I love Death Battle, I have honestly considered working there as a researcher, but you, unlike many who bash them, honestly seem to be willing to admit when you think they have a point or you might have been wrong. You are willing to be convinced. That means a lot to me as a viewer. The first I watched of yours was the latest Goku Vs. Superman. You started on Gokus' side, but when presented with their findings you agreed Superman would likely win, then appreciated the effort put into the animation and the characters. So many fans just get sore that 'their boy' lost, which I never saw as the point. So thank you. I appreciate this and will continue to give your reactions a view after watching the original battle. Oh, and, I think you missed the end of the fight. Unicron sent his spark into the nullifier and used it on Galactus, not the other way around. Galactus went into a pocket dimension, then basically absorbed/ate Unicron. Unicron was not defeated with the nullifier in their battle.
Galactus doesn't need to eat planets with life on them to live but he prefers planets with life on them bcause it recharges his batteries much more than planet's without life... At least that's what I remember him saying once could've changed by now because Comic writers always back peddle on previously known lore all the damn time lol
A lot of the greatest feats of comic books are absolute, dumbfounding nonsense that doesn't make any sense from the writing perspective, and considering that Nux is basically a writing enthusiast, it makes it hard to blame him for getting annoyed at what is basically illogical (most often silver/golden age) bs
To be fair to death battle, they try to use the characters at their best, using specific defeats if its relevant to them Galactus losing to reed richards because he had his ultimate nullifier is contradictive, they bring it up mostly to point out Galactus cant even be beat with one of the most overpowered fictional weapons ever, which is relevant to the end of the fight
Except they didn't even use Unicron's best feats and made the completely brain dead statement that Unicron wasn't capable of destroying the multiverse(which he has literally done on several occasions).
@@AryanAkaneI think it was the original shattered glass fun pub comics but unicron was a multiverseal singularity it took a sword that can destroy multiverses with a swipe and multiple primes to “defeat” him. The defeat wasn’t killing him it was to remove his ability to be a singularity so now there’s a unicron in each dimension that’s just as if not stronger depending on the universe than the original
18:36 - In the original Marvel comics, killing Primus simultaneously with Unicron balances the scales (this is how they beat him back then). The entire Transformers Cybertron series is also about the aftermath of killing Unicron; if you destroy Unicron completely, without also destroying Primus, the universe balances itself by replacing him with something even worse. In this case, his death caused a supernatural black hole to spawn that would eventually have grown to consume the entire multiverse. It was only stopped after Unicron was resurrected (in the comics, the cartoon never shows it) and Primus shot it with a big gun. Even during all that, Unicron was just chilling in the void between realities, slowly pulling all life into nothingness because even permadeath wasn't enough to actually stop him. Nearly every story usually ends with him being knocked unconscious or imprisoned in some way, not outright destroyed. Also, EVIL isn't actually something that needs to exist in the TF multiverse, just Chaos & Destruction. There are mirror universes where Unicron is good, but he is still the embodiment of Chaos and Destruction. Rather than abuse his powers, however, he only destroys that which is old and worn so that new life may grow in its place, and Chaos is fed by the existence of free will and evolution rather than violence and madness. Normal Unicron could be good if he wanted to, but he chooses to be evil.
“Unicron is pure destruction & chaos” “The ultimate nullifier killed a being that is pure destruction & chaos” Wow, I’m really gonna be on the edge of my seat for this one
To be fair, one of Unicron's deaths led to the Unicron Singularity. A giant black hole that warped space-time across the multiverse. So yeah, Unicron *can* die, but there are sometimes consequences if you succeed...
Galactus did technically destroy the multiverse once when he absorbed too much magic from the magic dimension (it has an actual name, but I can't remember it at the moment). I say technically because the paradoxical nature of him and magic was so great that it essentially caused the multiverse to implode, leaving only Eternity, The Living Tribunal, and Dr. Strange (he only lived due to special circumstances) alive😮.
From what I remember there was a comic where Galactus says he allows himself to lose to our Earth Heroes as they do not know the amount of work he does to protect them.
@@JackOBlades0801 it was the Weiss Death battle one,where they just killed a character from the same franchise where they high balled it just for damage control. Difference is this isn't recovering a marketing ploy,it's covering poor research
Orson Welles' Unicron in the '86 Transformers The Movie was an S+ Tier. It is crime he didn't live to see it finished, which is also why Unicron doesn't speak in the 2nd half. Definitely worth listening to just for Welles' domineering voice over.
As a whole Season 10 was easily some of DB's best videos by a landslide. I'm also still hoping Nux watches Guts VS Dimitri, given how he loves Berserk (no spoilers).
Who else wants Nux to watch Cole vs Alex? He’s watched every other episode from the 2nd half of season 10 so let’s complete that part and convince him to react to it.
See in a real battle, Galacticus and Unicron would fight until every planet, every galaxy, every universe, and every multiverse has been destroyed and consumed by them both during their quarrel. In the end, with nothing to sustain either of them, Galactus would finally overpower Unicron and “win,” but Unicron’s last words wouldn’t be screaming in pain or “No! I have lost!”, they would be “Look around you. Every planet, every star, and every universe is dead. My mission is accomplished. And you are now doomed to starve.”
“If you kill unicron does that throw the universe out of wack?” In one of the older shows it DID. The unicron trilogy starting with transformers Armada in 2003 reintroduced him as a persistent threat in its two sequel series. And in the final Transformers Cybertron or galaxy force in Japan unicrons destruction lead to the creation of a supermassive black hole that would not stop spreading and it required the reawakening of primus to seal it up, which was the whole plot of that show. Fun fact i have the whole cybertron show on dvd just sadly not the first two in the trilogy.
This is the closest we'll get to a battle between eldtich entities in death battle,which makes a lot of sense. Also i think nux underestimates how truly broken comics can get,especially top tiers like galactus.
You got the ending a little mixed up. Before Galactus could use the Ultimate Nullifier, Unicron possessed the device and used it against Galactus. Galactus avoided it by removing himself from the Multiverse and coming back, then ended the fight by absorbing Unicron on a conceptual level. Third fight I recommend Alex Mercer vs Cole MacGrath.
Except he also IS the concepts. That’s why even if every bit of him is destroyed, even his spark, he shows up again in another universe. Because those concepts still exist, and thus so does Unicron. It’s also why every Multiversal version of Unicron is actually just the SAME ONE. He’s a trans-Multiversal constant, as long as the idea of evil exists, Unicron does as well.
@@swordsmanthegamernine7973that’s exactly why I thought he would win, mid video they said that and I was sure they’d incorporate that into the fight as the reason he wins, you can’t kill a concept.
Technically you very much can kill a concept. You just need to kill whoever made that concept a thing. Concepts exist as long as sentient life exists to think of them.
What's even funnier about him trying to hand wave away the multiversal destruction feat is that this claim was made by Oblivion, who is the literal embodiment of the void outside the multiverse, who was noting that the fight could bring about the destruction to return creation to him, the void.
I don't think you understand what just happened. The Ultimate Nullifier did not work in Unicron's case. Unicron possessed it to use its power, my guess is as soon as he was in tbe Nullifier, he knew what it could do, but so does Galactus, and he also knows how to get around it. He hid in a pocket dimension so that all Unicron did was basically reset the universe with no change because Galactus wasn't there, then he came back and consumed Unicron.
Actually, the nullifier bombed. Galactus did not use the nullifier to kill Unicron. Unicron's spark took over the nullifier and fired it on Galactus; Galactus escapes into a pocket dimension returns and just absorbs Unicron into himself bcoz he became hungry
Essentially any major comic book universe is going to win. Because it HAS to. They've been going so long that power creep ALONE will destroy any setting with a lesser amount of lore. When you have to regularly body superman or his proxy you're going to get insanely strong.
Eh, no. Death Battle just ignored information directly in pages they flashed behind them, as well as other stuff they chose to ignore. Unicron might not have been around for as long, but even in one of his three weakest depictions, he would beat Galactus. Galen *survived* the destruction of his universe and became cursed with Hunger, becoming Galactus. Unicron, on the other hand, *caused* the destruction of a multiverse-in his Astral form, before ever gaining a physical body. What fragments he left created the big bang while he was sleeping, because Unicron *didn't leave any life, not even prior deities behind* when he destroyed that multiverse. Sure, he ended up with opposition that eventually beat him... in that incarnation. At the cost of his equal's essence, which was created in the new multiverse. But that was one of the three weakest versions of him, and Death Battle cited some fiction that was even more powerful than that. It is a joke of a finale, plain and simple.
@@mixofreak Congrats. You're a bigger nerd than the death battle team. Did it help? No. It will never help. If you can't win your battle with normie level "I read 5 comics in my entire life!" lore, you're not going to win your battle.
@@BenLWolf And that's the thing... 5 comics lore is enough, but Death Battle chose to ignore some of what they flashed across the screen, in addition to putting off this fight until Galactus finally was given enough power-ups to make it not an absolute disgusting loss. It still should be a loss, but not as severely as it would have been six years ago. Galactus *survived* the destruction of a multiverse. Unicron *caused* that destruction. In astral form. Before he ever gained a physical form.
@@ParmeJonCheese677 No, the In-Betweener was and has always been a multiversal entity, created by Master Order and Lord Chaos, and is an opposite of Galactus. That's like saying, well, Unicron wins because he was able to fight Primus. Pitting them against their opposites is useless for power-scaling. In addition to, oh, Unicron literally being the embodiment of Evil, Chaos, and Death, which puts him as embodying two forces of nature, and one of morality. Sure, Galactus can say he is beyond evil, but is he beyond death? No, he's been killed multiple times.
I get the Unicron used the nullifier on Galactus. What I don't understand is what did Galactus do after her returned from his pocket universe? What did he do at that point that was even capable of killing Unicron? Why and how did the fight suddenly end with that seemingly arbitrary attack?
Pretty sure he literally just ate Unicron, as in, absorbed his entire essence and being as a snack. Thing you gotta remember is that the animations are mostly just cool depictions of the battle, Uniron taking control of the nullifier is a cool idea so they used it rather than just having Galactus press a button to win, but thats not necessarily the literal way they expect Galactus to win.
A theory I saw is that because Unicron reset the Multiverse while having his spark merged with the Nullifier, the new Multiverse basically merged the two together. This ended up neing Unicrons downfall, as the Nullifier IS Galactus, as Galactus is energy and the Nullifier is made out of the same energy. Thus, Unicron=Nullifier, so Unicron=Galactus's energy, which was promptly reabsorbed.
The multiverse destroyer device: so a being from outside the multiverse, that can leave at will, would be immune to that device. "I see that you are destroying the multiverse in order to remake multiverse without me in it. I will go back to where I came from, and when I see that things have calmed down, I will re-enter your multiverse." This is the problem with fictional worlds. There can always be another layer.
i think unicron "possesed" the UN and tried to erase galactus since the quote " u dont know u power u posses" meaning that unicron used the nulifier and failed cuz galactus had the safety on XD
The Death: Unicron was DEVOURED by Galactus. Amd this actually can work in killing Unicron off physically and nulling his threat. If there is 1 Unicron 'spirit', yet an entire multiverse's worth of inactive bodies, binding Unicron's 'spirit' to an infinitely more powerful being, nulling his ability to act, even his consciousness being rendered moot, counts as stopping him for good. Also, the Ultimate Nullifer doesn't just erase you, it erases every iteration OF you in the infinite Marvel MULTIVERSE, including timelines and the like, while re-writing the INFINITE MARVEL MULTIVERSE into one where you don't exist in it at all. If you're an abstarct concept made manifest, then you're replaced by another who fulfills your role. At best, Unicron scales to Abraxas, and if he got erased by the Nullifier, then Unicron sure as hell isn't safe from the effects, as he's never gone up against anything LIKE the Nullifier in the Transforners multiverse and walked away unscathed. If Galactus, his superior in cosmic scale, has multiple gimmicks to prevent the Nullifier from being used on him, including a POCKET DIMENSION OUTSIDE OF THE INFINITE MARVEL MULTIVERSE, that all but implies he himself isn't safe from it, which damns Unicron outright just by being Galactus's lesser in cosmic scale.
Galactus is too powerful it’s crazy how the Fantastic 4, The Avengers, Spider-Man, Street level Heroes, Guardians of the Galaxy, and The X-Men have to work together to defeat him or send him somewhere far away from Earth.
I think its fair to say you are right on a lot of points with your scaling, but one thing I'd say is on the whole using their loss feats as well as win feats, a lot of those "losses" wind up being unable to be explained by any way other than "it had to happen for plot convenience", and with power scaling the whole point is to take author intent out of the picture and compare the characters on a neutral field. Its kinda the same reason we dont just say "whoever the author wants to win wins" type shit imo
Honestly, I know for a fact that Galactus got infected by strange energies before, as well as a zombie plague. Seeing as Dark Energon works as both, it should stand to reason that Unicron would be able to take over Galactus if the latter tries to devour the former.
Zombie Plague was basically a Quantum Virus (Not going by What-if but actual said in comics) that would operate on similar levels of Cosmic Energy like Phoenix Force, and Pym Particles which has effected beings similar to Galactus.
I'm suprise that Galactus even won at all. Now before anyone shouts "He's the power cosmics and omniversal and so on.". But here's the the thing, Galactus suffers the Marvel Jobber effects and other cosmic beings without the power cosmics have beaten him before. Such as a large group of Celestials, the Black Winter to the point where he needed Thor's help, Thanos, and the Chaos King. Also with the Ultimate Nullifier when it was used on Eternity, the living embodiment of the Marvel universe, he came back, despite the weapon power to annihilate concepts.
Isn't that because he's mostly hungry; He tries to space (pun intented) his meals to be just enought to not kill him. A fully fed Galactus is as strong as any other concept in Marvel; The Ultimate Nullifer even puts him above other concepts. Galactus is the end of the Multiverse; But also kickstarts the next.
If you didn't notice at the end there, Unicron's spark left the body and attached itself to the universal nullifier, that was the purple glow around it. Still did no good lol.
Just based on the description they gave of the original Unicron, maybe that would be comparable to Galactus. The one that's there after being cut in half? Just seems kinda fsr off.... Like say, 50% of Galactus 😅
The biggest problem with this death battle is they end up contradicting themselves even though Galactus was far more powerful than Unicron they directly stated that even if unicorn is destroyed completely he will reappear in a new universe because he is an immutable infinite concept. The very Act of fighting him means he will come back because violence is Unicron. The act of destroying Unicron is destruction which is Unicron therefore Unicron continues to exist. Also they showed that the ultimate nullifier didn't work as unicorns simply manifested after it's used and he was the one using it. This fight should have theoretically lasted forever because Galactus had no physical way to get rid of unicron under any circumstance so the fight would have gone on until the entire Multiverse was destroyed and Galactus no longer had a food source. They even stated that this fight ultimately came down to power which power cannot destroy Unicron based upon the very description they used for the character. They had to pick a winner so that the fight would end when they should have just had it end in a tie and say the fight went on forever. As you said Knox these are complex characters and how they are written should take a bigger role in the fight than just power levels. Galactus with far more powerful but he did not have a way to win this fight. The only way Galactus stood a chance to actually end the fight would be to destroy the concept of evil and destruction itself which in itself is a paradox and cannot be done but even if he could that would require the total annihilation of all sentient life including himself that could ever commit evil which in itself is an evil act therefore Unicron still exists comparing Unicron to Abraxas doesn't work because of brexit was a finite being Unicron isn't. Abraxas was a being representing the concept of evil and destruction whereas Unicron is the concept of evil and destruction and as long as it exists he does
Not so. Both Abraxas and Unicron are multiversal abstract beings that represent the concept of the entire multiversal cosmos' inevitable destruction. They scale pretty well, excepting that Marvels' cosmos is larger. Second, Unicron did not survive being hit by the nullifier so the fight did not "show that the ultimate nullifier didn't work". The nullifier *only* removes the chosen object/being from reality. Unicron was in no danger because Unicron was not attacked. Galactus was in no danger because he left the multiverse being rewritten. As Unicron cannot do this, there is no real reason to think the nullifier wouldn't work. That said, the idea of Unicron coming back into being as long as there is destruction *is* a valid issue that I agree they didn't address properly. Perhaps Galactus, having no malice in his destruction, does not permit Unicron to return the same way hatred would? Then again, would destruction on surviving worlds bring Unicron back? Would Galactus have to extinguish sapient life? Or, perhaps, did Galactus just absorb Unicron? Unicron lives, but as a subset of Galactus?
36:00 You're forgetting something nux. The nullifier IS part of that greater power. Aside from Galactus being easily able to destroy the multiverse without even trying in a second the nullifier is part of that power so I don't know why you're complaining that they didn't use it, it's part of that greater power!😂 It was pretty much saying Unicron would never have won even if he was physically stronger because of the ultimate nullifier so it was just adding on to the fact that no matter what Unicron never would have won😂
This is probably the highest quality Death Battle has ever given us. I am also indifferent to the random comedy Death Battle to open new seasons gimmick. Anyway, I can't wait until you finish Eminence in Shadow Season 2. I want to see if it will make you as excited as I was watching it.
Yeah, it is 100% one sided, I don't know the depths of Unicron or Galactus lore, but once that nullifier was mentioned... game over, there is no beating that, it's completely one sided. If Unicron had any chance of winning, it'd have to be if we ignored the nullifier's existence.
6:33- The fact that he's a multiversal force that only needs to consume planets, instead of universes, shows just how energy efficient he is. In fact, if I'm remembering correctly, that's part of the point to Galactus: he is meant to produce more than he ate when it's time for the multiverse to be reborn. Suck it perpetual motion, we're going further beyond with creation of matter and energy.
Some others: "Hurr Durr, Unicorn is omniversal and has fought countless beings that-" Me: "Sir, Sir, I unerstand your points but....Energy absorption and Ultimate nullifier." :|
Galactus and Unicron: Fighting over the last slice of pizza
Silver Surfer and Megatron: Watching from the couch
Galvatron but yeah lol
The TMNT sneak in and steal the pizza.
Ramjet, Megatronus chilling
@@lorddoomer7271 You are correct. Unfortunately that only proves the weakness of Transformers Universes. Not the strength of Unicron. Both Primus and Unicron have a massive scroll list of feats that are quite limited. (Primus is the creator-god of light and the multiverse but cannot create Magic, New technologies, races of transformers immune to Unicron's evil and corruption (Including the 13 Primes), etc.) His greatest creations are the Matrix of Leadership, Vector Sigma, and the All-Spark (Each representing an aspect of Primus.... and all mostly useless against Unicron except the matrix and they only delay the inevitable in the cosmic robo war). Pretty weak for the "creator god". Unicron also has a massive host of abilities, which like Primus, sound big but are also very limited. His ability to destroy is not like Berus in Dragonball (Hakai). He still has to physically go and hit the target. Darkseid is better than that with his eye beams. His presence corrupts, but read how many times Transformers go near him, in him, and fight him without getting corrupted. That means the ability is either random or must be activated. Also none of them have shown that they emulate galxy destroying blasts. Most of the top tier in marvel do. Unicron most likely would lose to Thor (Not even counting Odinforce/Runemaster/etc.) and I'm not even counting Magic (which Unicron has little to no defense against). This is strongest in the universe of wood vs. strongest in the universe of metal. Who do you think wins?
@@dr1742 Limited? I'm betting right now that you don't know anything about the tf verse.
nobody ever went near unicron without getting corrupted.( Except in the g1 continuity, but that can be excused as him being the weaker avatars).
And how does it prove the weakness of transformers universe? Primus and unicron are two halves of their omnipotent god "the one"and hence only they can stand against each other.
Primus couldn't make the 13 primes immune to unicrons corruption because their power levels are mostly equal in magnitude( unicron more powerful, but Primus is the wiser one amongst the two).
Unicrons existence itself destroys space time. He casually destroyed the multiverse twice( and one of those times, transformers were a part of Marvel, so for the record, unicron has already defeated galactus)
Unicron also casually destroyed the anti matrix, which holds and manipulates the entire zero space( zero space is the beginning and end of all existence).
The fight between unicron and Primus was going to end the multiverse just as a side effect, until unicron was tricked by his brother, Primus.
The magnitude of their powers effectively has not limit.
Unicron casually replicates himself through the infinite curve ( the multiverse) in order to get an edge against his brother.
And if you think that the Marvel multiverse is bigger than the tf verse, then please join discord so I can show you the scans that prove otherwise.
So one thing to remember that Galactus destroying planets isn't a feat... it's literally lunch. Same as you wouldn't flex that you ate a burger he eats worlds lol
Also Galactus didn't use the Ultimate Nullifier on Unicron. Unicron tried to use it on Galactus who ducked into a pocket dimensions to avoid it and then just ate what was left of Unicron prolly cause he was tired.
@Grimbear13 the gist of that ending could be summed up as Unicron stole Galactus's gun then tried to shoot him with it, Galactus dodged and then stole the gun back before popping a couple rounds into Unicrons head and saying "catchphrase!"
Still a feat
Let me ask you this,can you destroy a planet by eating it?
@@TheEmperorOfViltrum I've never tried, but I'll let you know once I get around to it (and yes I know I'm responding in response to someone elses comment, but I had to man, I just had to).
@@jamestomato1744lol +1 for the Free Guy reference
My guy, there is a difference between destroying planets and eating planets for food. Galactus just strolling through the Galactic Woods and comes upon a Nebula Bush and sees all those Planet Berries and goes Yum.
Unicorn eats planets too
These just sound like areas and items in an open world space exploration survival game
"Their battle almost destroyed the Multiverse"
"Isn't that just hyperbole?"
Funny, Goku does the same and Nux is fine with that
@kvacedo273if Goku's best feat was that he wouldn't be discussing why he can take Superman that eats galaxies for dinner
@@leonel392 he doesn't eat them, if he breathes to hard then galaxies are history.
Galactus doing it is hyperbole because it’s inconsistent to his normal feats.
@@leonel392What. Superman inconsistently is Solar System level more than galaxy level.
@@DagothUrAmaranth Goku getting one shot by a random ass nobody with a pea shotter laser beam while in SSJB is perfectly consistent though, right?
On One Hand I was surprised that Unicron was a Force of Nature in Evil, Violence, and Death, but on the Other Hand Galactus has Fought Multiple Gods Like Beings, has the Power Cosmic, and has a Unlimited Appetite that he can Drain Energy, honestly I’m surprised Galactus Won.
He shouldn't have. Even in the comic pages that Death Battle flashed in the video from Transformers, there are details they ignored that made the result a joke. Look at Legendary Grimlock's debunking video for more details, and even he barely scratched the surface, considering that Death Battle was supposed to be putting them both at their absolute best.
@@mixofreakthey showed the true scaling in black box lol
I CAN just Say look to jobber and gons and that why galactus win
@@mixofreak Unicron is low hyperversal at best 💀. Galactus can destroy concepts and beat Mephisto. Just a small piece of Mephisto's power turned into an artifact capable of warping reality and messing with concepts. Unicron was downplayed, but so was Galactus. Unicron isn't beating Galactus at all.
@@toxicflame9783 Unicron literally wiped out a multiverse, in astral form, before ever having a physical form. Galen *survived* the destruction of the prior universe, gained his Hunger, and became Galactus. Unicron 'exists as long as evil does', and even after he stopped being a multiversal singularity (which would have destroyed the omniverse if not fragmented), he still could sense other versions of himself across different multiverses, and snatch heralds from multiverses where he already won, etc. Galactus was eaten by zombies. Galactus was one-shot by a non-Cosmic superhero flying through him fast enough. Galactus was literally talked out of eating Earth by Squirrel Girl and instead went off to eat a world with no life that tasted like nuts. You cannot honestly expect me to believe that Unicron-especially with all the evidence in comic pages that Death Battle flashed across the screen yet chose to ignore, in addition to other materials they didn't cite-could be taken down by Galactus. Unicron is an omniversal threat in canon fiction, across multiple versions. *At best*, Galactus has ever been a multiversal threat, and when powered up by outside forces, *not himself* .
@@mixofreak the bias is real and y'all clearly don't know how to scale marvel if you think unicron wins lol
You gotta love the hoops that Nux is willing to jump to just negate feats (even if what's being stated explicitly and shown from a being whose consistently at that level leaves little to abstraction)
Nux the hoop jumper: god of mental gymnastics
@soulcyclone360 he can depower just about anyone, "oh you say you can destroy universes? Well I think you can only bust a mountain because the panel where you destroy the universe and reality literally shatters is just an exaggeration. In fact every other time is ALSO an exaggeration!"
Its less that they're not taking Galactus' defeats seriously. Its more that its explicitly stated later on that he can just evade or summon the ultimate nullifier, and so it really shouldn't have worked on him in the first comic run. It'd be like Iron Man having his suit turned on him. Do you really think that he doesn't have 1000 failsafes for that eventuality? Basically that.
to be fair in ironmans case its entirely possible that hes fallible lel
By that logic no comic character should lose ever because everyone at some point had some kind of resistance against something.
It's like "man this character's so coooool, he would never lose if it weren't for those pesky writers", Iron Man had his suit turned on him more times than the failsafes he had, it is completely normal that someone could hack him like that
@@tananatana4011yeah, but it's like saying "someone poisoned the guy immune to poison!" it goes against the same fucking narrative
That’s the thing too most of galactus loses are when he’s hungry when he’s hungry he’s weaker but a literally bone dry galactus almost destroyed a couple universes by accident because of annulus I just hate how marvel turned him into a stepping stone for characters like thanos and Thor both 1v1 him when he’s “stronger then ever before” and one hitting him and then people forget he’s like Superman our 616 is way stronger then any other galactus he’s the real one the multiverse eternity just saw galactus helps keeps balance and asked him if he can create one of him for all universes
Well did he summon it or pick it up out of his armory the first time? This sounds like retcon shenanigans
Nux, the multiverse wasn't destroyed and remade without Unicron, because Unicron merged with the nullifier technology like cybertronians do with other technology and fired it himself. Galactus just avoided its attack by going into his private pocket universe, exited it when it was safe, ate Unicron, and thus Evil, Chaos, and Destruction have become merely a small part of Galactus.
I think its a bit deeper than that.
When Galactus said "YOU KNOW NOT THE POWER YOU COMMND", he didn't mean "The Ultimate Nullifier is too strong for you", he meant "The Ultimate Nullifier's power is MY power, because it's a part of my being."
By possessing the Ultimate Nullifier, Unicron literally GAVE himself to Galactus in mind, body and soul.
Galactus absorbed him so easily because the new universe likely reasoned that Unicron = Nullifier, and Nullifier = part of Galactus, then Unicron = part of Galactus
@@galaxycamerata I never said that the Ultimate Nullifier was too strong for him, and I don't think it matters whether or not it made it easier to absorb him or not, because Galactus is just far stronger than him.
The thing is Unicron does have resistances to being consumed like that, and should be able to consume Galactus too. He’s known for energy absorption and can use even normal Energon to enhance his power. Really this fight probably should have been longer, but I’m pretty sure they discounted a lot - like how Galactus has been infected with a Zombie plague before, almost everything from the Japanese continuities, Unicron’s ability to absorb cosmic energies like the Power Cosmic, and even the comic that mentions that Unicron has consumed a Multiverse before… he just was stopped before he could consume the last bits of matter and split apart to attempt to weaken him.
Also yea… possessing something like the Ultimate Nullifier doesn’t matter for making Unicron easier to consume as various TF canons have noted that when an item is possessed or becomes part of the Transformer, they have complete control over it, and not its previous user. See the Headmasters, Targetmasters and others for proof there.
The problem there is that it isn't just an item. The Ultimate Nullifier is literally as much a part of Galactus as his eyes. Made of and powered by the Power Cosmic. And so, by possessing it, Unicron again becomes PART of Galactus. And since Galactus resists corruption and external control very handily, theres only one other way for that interaction to go; Unicron is subsumed.
I say all this AS a transformers fan, that Unicron ultimately lacks the tools necessary to actually beat Galactus in a straight fight; his best options involve steering clear or attempting subterfuge, and those arent options in this series.
@@galaxycamerata Actually, Galactus has been corrupted before. Once by a zombie plague and another version of him got corrupted by the All-Black Necrosword which turned him into an insane monster that destroyed planets out of malice. They also deeply downplayed Unicron by not showing the full extent of the Transformers cosmology. They said the Marvel multiverse is filled with an infinite number of infinite multiverses, but so does the Transformers multiverse.
A single universe in the Transformers cosmology is the size of an infinite multiverse due to possessing infinite timelines, and timelines in Transformers have been confirmed to be full-fledged infinite universes and has countless dimensional layers. And again, that's the size of one universe, there's an infinite number of them. But that's not all, the Transformers cosmology also has "universal clusters that connect the Transformers franchise to other franchises like G.I. Joe, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Doctor Who, Star Wars, My Little Pony, Back To The Future, Ben 10, Mythos, etc; all of whom have their own infinite multiverses. Unicron is capable of destroying them all and he even did so in the past until The One split Unicron in half to create Primus.
They also said Unicron has no experience fighting opponents on his level, which is incorrect. He fought Primus, his polar opposite, repeatedly with their battle tearing apart all of reality, has defeated the Anti-Matrix, who is a being so powerful that he controls the Zero-Space, which the beginning and end of all things, and has also fought the Thirteen, who have weapons that can collapse all planes of existence, including higher-level dimensions and infinite quantum realms
Nux, you do this every time. If you can believe that Goku can destroy the universe with a punch is pure fact, how come every time a comic character does something comparable, it's an exagerration?
Bias
Harder to visualize
@@l0sts0ul89 comic books are purely visual media though?
@@soulcyclone360 ??? It's easier to watch someone punch something than look at a picture of someone punching something
@@l0sts0ul89 even if both media's present the same situation?
I don’t think Nux understood what happened lmao😅
Unicorn took over the Nullifier when Galactus was going to use and instead used it on Galactus. Galactus survived this with his own pocket dimension and proceeded to kill Unicron
In other words: he baited Unicron, and the Chaos Bringer fumbled
To answer Nux's "what?" Orson Welles's final role was as the voice of Unicron in the animated movie.
Galactus can both feed on planets and be a threat to the multiverse. Yes, it’s different power scales, but people also operate on different power scales simultaneously. For example, think of Light from Death Note simultaneously ending human lives while feeding on potato chips. If humans can both eat snacks and kill other humans, then Galactus can both eat planets and murder whole universes.
Galactus *survived* the destruction of the universe he came from. Unicron *caused* the destruction of a multiverse before the main G1 Marvel Transformers comics. In his Astral form, before he ever had a physical form. And that is one of the three weakest versions of Unicron across all official canon fiction that the Transformers fandom has. I like both, but Death Battle really made a joke of a finale, especially as they ignored information on comic pages *that they put up on screen behind them* .
@@variabilityman no, you and several others are misunderstanding the term Multiverse.
In Marvel, the Multiverse is a singular Earth, plus any dimensions, realms, etc that are connected to it. Earth-616 is the main canon Marvel Multiverse, which has Earth, all the planets across it, Null Space, the Microverse, etc.
That is *all* one *singular* multiverse.
Earth-91274 (Marvel US) and Earth-120185 (Marvel UK) are both Marvel Transformers comics, *and separate Multiverses* , according to Marvel themselves.
The Omniverse is all Multiverses, and anything else that can be imagined.
The Transformers has an infinite universe in IDW, and Unicron Trilogy, but while both has fewer dimensions mentioned in their canon... Death Battle also referenced the canon that includes Earth-91274 (Marvel US) and Earth-120185 (Marvel UK), connecting them as one entity, because at one point, Unicron *was* one interconnected entity.
Essentially, this fight was Galactus trying to destroy a piece of Unicron's hair, in comparison to that entity as a whole... and they put 'KO' before the rest all wiped Galactus out.
*Picture that for context comparison* .
Galactus cannot pull all versions of himself across every Multiverse to come to his aid.
Unicron could, using the versions that Death Battle chose to utilize.
I’m shocked Nux missed what happened in the animation. Unicron took over the Ultimate Nullifier and fired it at Galactus, Galactus dodged into his pocket dimension and came back and just. Ate Unicron
An interesting piece of information that Death Battle left out is that Galactus is also an abstract entity, the abstract embodiment of the balance between Eternity and Death and also the guy who was supposed to rebirth the cosmos at one point. Also if you take the full context into account then the feats of threatening the multiverse look more impressive ironically.
They included that. They discussed the powers of eternity coming in and making him into who he was. I forget the exact wording, but it was very much what you were talking about. They also showed a specific comic panel at the same time that showed and named the aspects of Eternity being referenced.@@randomyoutuber2633
It is noted he's an abstract entity, but it's not something that has to be pointed out verbally.
Still doesn’t make him that powerful.
Galactus can get by with snacking on an occasional planet (about 1 per month, by Earth calendar for measuring time) because he *conserves* it as much as possible by limiting his exertions. He rebuilt his "homeworld" as a solar system sized space station, where he can conserve & store some of the energies he consumes...In his first appearance in the FF comic books, he used a machine to make the absorption process more *efficient* even though he can consume the planet directly.
It's also why he chooses heralds to search out worlds that have active biospheres, so that he doesn't personally expend energy to do it. If he has to exert himself to consume a planet, he has to balance the energy used against its defenses compared to how much energy he can get from consuming it...If the "meal" isn't worth the effort, he'll move on. You may notice that at the end, Galactus was hungry enough to consume an entire galaxy...
The reason why Galactus backed down when Reed Richards had the Ultimate Nullifier is NOT because Galactus feared being wiped from existence...No, no. The weapon can't destroy Galactus because it's a part of Galactus.
Galactus was afraid that Reed would destroy *everything else*
The Ultimate Nullifier was not a threat to Galactus, it was a threat to his food source.
Uatu, the Watcher, said something to the effect that, if the multiverse crumbles, can Galactus survive?
I've got one question about Unicron...Once he's destroyed the whole of existence then what's left? Is his programming to destroy everything going to make him self-destruct?
Something tells me that somebody didn't really think this through well enough...
During the battle, can we take a moment to appreciate that what we see ion the video is NOT the battle itself? The fight was occurring across the whole of the multiverse, on all planes & in all dimensions at the same time, including (but not limited to) the Astral Plane & the Psychic Plane, as well as across Time itself. The battle was happening on so many different levels that the human imagination to conceive of the overall scope of it is less than a tiny scratch on the smallest part of the tip of the iceberg. Let's appreciate that the Death Battle Team had to account for all of that when it came to power-scaling the fight between the two combatants.
"Consume all of reality in order to find peace in utmost nothingness" is listed as one of his goals...
I've no idea wtf that even means either. He just wants to float in literal nothing just because he wants to? Honestly sounds like a childish edgelord of a goal that its already making me cringe
I dont always agree with death battle, but their review was pretty spot on. If we look at it simply it's like two people at the same level playing chess back and forth infinitely where they each win after eachother, the only way to stop that while winning is gonna be outside chess and i'd put my money on the guy who gets in street fights over the one thats doesnt, especially if they have a gun on their hip.
Yeah, I typically only watch a Death Battle after skipping to the results and seeing who wins, but seeing one of Galactus' feats was one-shotting Darkseid... yeah Unicron never stood a chance, much as I wish he won.
@@yourcollegedebt8384Skipping the analysis is just rude
@@yourcollegedebt8384 honestly even without the nullifier he has some insanity. The main one i remember is when he defeated the fusion of celestials after they had jumped him and beat him, somehow. And celestial are meant to be threats to the universe by themselves
From someone who loves the analysis and has always entertained the idea of being one of their researchers, I think each person should watch their entertainment in the way that makes them happy. Some people just want to watch really cool animation and skip the math. I can respect that. Others may just watch in a different order, as the poster seems wont to do.@@beef3442
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Unicron's avatar is enough to destroy Galactus. He very much did have a chance, death battle just can't scale.
They really go hard on these animations at every end of the year
They went hard on a lot of episodes this season, which is great
@@CatsLilaSalemso true, Goku vs Superman III is like their best battle ever.
Eww “Lolilover366669” gross man.
The more they spend on animation, the less money they have,and the less taxes they have to pay.
Go hard there animation than they do there research
Experience is definitely relevant when both are literally on the same level
Nux: "These guys should be doing more than turning it into the most basic death battle 'which one is stronger', like that's so boring"
Also Nux: "Experience? These are two guys sat across each other at a table each with a button that destroys more shit. Experience is completely irrelevant"
So, you mean experience isn't relevant since each of them just destroy shit. Kind of sounds like the most basic death battle 'which one is stronger' mentality you're so against.
To those who are hasbro fans in the comments, did you notice that DB used the Haslab models for both Galactus and Unicron. You can tell by Unicron’s backpack.
Yeah I noticed that, neat detail. Sad my childhood toy lost to the purple man.
Haslab Galactus model looks better than the Death Battle Galactus model though... Haslab's model looks really natural and technology-like, Death Battle's model looks more comic-accurate and a bit weirder proportions (like the comics)...
(Also, thanks for mentioning this... Action figure collector here...)
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Didn't Haslab Unicron release like 2-3 years ago...?
Galactus was a little trickier to tell, because he was way smoother and normal looking. Honestly he sort of looked like a combination between the mvc3 model and the haslab
Apparently, both models were originally made by death battle cause they couldn't find any good ones for either of them
This wasn’t a fight it was two people having a poetry smackdown over the last planet at the buffet
Essentially Nux's reaction to the explanation: "How dare you not do this thing you are currently doing!"
Unicron legit just turned himself into the Ultimate Nullifier and Galactus absorbed him because he had tied himself to Galactus' will by doing it. Hilarious
A lot of people waited a long time for this awesome death battle, and I was one of them.
I had too, and it was a disgusting example of picking what evidence to use-despite even flashing comic pages that disproved the outcome they came to.
@@mixofreakNo way, human beings made a mistake 😱
@mixofreak how about you just appreciate the fight instead of complaining about which fictional character should've beaten the other
@@kingdamazo7266 naw, that's like being served a box of chocolate bon-bons. Oh, this one has a caramel center. This one has a fudge center. This one has a peanut butter center. And this last one has a mix of rancid meat and fecal matter.
@mixofreak Nah this was a good fight. If you just can't accept it that's on you.
Something that really annoyed me about this reaction is that nux kept trying to discount galactus and the ultimate nullifier. Like dawg, it’s literally stated to destroy and then rearrange the mutliverse, yet nux tryna argue what’s right in front of him. Not to mention that galactus has literally killed or fought people that can wipe out the multiverse so idk what he’s getting at. Like yea, galactus eats planets. But that’s like saying bc humans eat chips, we’re only mice level.
He did specify that he doesn't know much about them at the beginning of the video
@@VegitoBlue941Still doesn’t help that he is discrediting the feats despite it LITERALLY being stated that’s exactly what happened in the analysis.
I agree, but I get where he is coming from. It's not Death Battles' way of doing things, they like to take the biggest feat, overanalyze nonsense, and figure out the speed feat of a cartoon giving the sun a black eye. Nux just wants to take artistic writing into account, keep the characters at a consistent scale rather than the strongest theoretical feat, and allow lines like 'shaking the multiverse' to be more figurative if they are not consistent with the rest of the lore. Here, I think he missed the mark because multiversal destruction feats *are* consistent, and I don't think he got that. Still, I respect the perspective as valid, even if I don't like to do it that way myself.@@muffetmissulena6540
@@mentaya11Yeah, I can very much agree with your sentiment there.
Loved it when Unicron took control of the Ultimate Nullifier and used it on Galactus, which yeah, he could do.
Yeah and then nux missed the point and said oh the mcguffin worked! At the moment unicron used it on galactus...
To be fair, it wouldn't be hard to misunderstand what happened there.
I found it easy to follow, but then I wasn't pausing it every few seconds to interject comments to my fandom. That's bound to make it easier to miss small details like Unicrons' spark entering the nullifier rather than Galactus pressing the button. Not judging. This is Nux's reaction video, he has to do it, but I think it explains a few things he missed.@@dr.veronica6155
@@dr.veronica6155it is kinda a hard unless you pause every 5 seconds. You can see the energy ball coming from Unicron body entering the multiversal thingy and the thing turning purple and Galactus disappearing, Unicron saying he won and a bigger hungrier Galactus comes and eats him
The problem here is it wasn't actually the nullifier that beat Unicron, quite the opposite Unicron tried using it against Galactus instead and it just didn't work because of the obvious reasons. Then Galactus returned from his pocket plain and did the deed finishing of Unicron with hi9s own power.
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Primus tricking Unicron is actually very heroic. Old hero stories usually involved the hero needing to learn deception in some way.
This goes back to the ancient world even as, Jason, Heracles, Anasi, and Sun Wukong, are a few examples.
Even in Marvel, the heroes do some shady shit sometimes.
It was also stated that Primus exists in all universes but Unicron didn't but he could cross over from one to the next.
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602tbh this was the one way they could feasible have unicron mitigated if it was the otherway around primus would working overtime to stop horn boy from devouring all existence
Even without the nullifier, Nux had it. A multiversal xenocide would mean nothing in this context, and wouldn't stop Galactus from eating, which would be all there was to do after that, because he has no malice in his destruction. Unicron would meet a forever death.
Also the fact that Galactus appeared to "eat" Unicron at the end there. There's a fair chance that Unicron isn't even truly "dead", he's just a permanent part of Galactus now. And since Galactus is basically True Neutral, there's no evil or malice in him for Unicron to use to reform.
@@Gabriel-oq8gsWell, until Galactus feeds again, at which point the fear and anger of the victim planet will serve as a kickstart for Unicron, who reforms around whatever is convenient, uses time/dimensional travel to escape from the immediate vicinity of Galactus, then uses his new ability to reproduce a fully functional Ultimate Nullifier powered by Dark Energon to create a MAD-style standoff with Galactus.
@@SarajevoKyoto Well we already know that Galactus can avoid the Ultimate Nullifier. At which case, all Galactus has to do is eat Unicron again. Like a meal that just won't sit well and keeps coming back up.
@@Gabriel-oq8gs that is only if Galactus knows everything, making it so that he can react to ultimate nullifier without having actual knowledge of it being fired, and I don't recall that being stated in his arsenal,but your free to show me otherwise.
Experience does matter in a fight. Remember homelander vs Omni Man. When you never come up against a challenge from someone your own size you are extremely out classed. Galactus has to go up against beings like the celestials, Phoenix force, Odin even beings that exist as abstract concepts. Chaos is just a drop in the bucket among other universal giga chads that Galactus has to overcome just to survive.
homelander vs omni man might not be the best example, Omni man can fly faster than light and break planets if he wants, the experience was a factor, but probably not that big of a factor
@@jakobwilliamzachariassen2640 that is a perfect example it's called experience. Omni Man wasn't that powerful just because. It's because his entire race works hard. No one is born that good or that fast. They can become that good and that fast. So can homelander but he is limited to the fact that there is nothing to challenge him so he never grows. Unicorn is so accustomed to being the biggest and most powerful for so long he doesn't really know what a challenge is.
@@ronaldshaw4309 except viltrumites straight up do become stronger with age without work, work helps, but they don't exactly need it, omni man on top of that is from a lineage of particularly strong viltrumites. experience is skill and knowing how to react to certain situations, put an experienced soldier up against a random bully and of course the soldier wins, but make that soldier into the hulk as well and the bully has litteraly no chance, even if you removed his experience as a soldier, bully vs hulk is gonna have an obvious result. my point is that even without his time as a soldier and conquerer of worlds, he'd almost certainly still kill homelander with no issue, homelander never really stood a chance, omni man could've killed him at any time by just being that much stronger and faster, and only didn't because he wanted to make it public and humiliate him
I would argue that even Mark with a week of practice could beat Homelander, albeit with more difficulty than his dad. Viltrumites are simply built different.
@@jakobwilliamzachariassen2640 hulk is a even worse example. He is consistently beaten by extremely trained and extremely less powerful foes. As a veteran myself I can say that power has its advantages but it never takes the place of intelligence and experience. Look at Tony stark Bruce Wayne, hell even Superman submitted to getting superior training in both physical and mental martial arts for a little while in his life. After spending time with people like Batman, green arrow, wonder woman, even lex luthor has shown him that relying on power is a recipe for ones undoing and on many occasions it was indeed their undoing. Galactus isn't a warrior or warlord by any means. He is a genius, a known survivor. He survived the destruction of his own universe and the creation of another. And he a fought for survival constantly since his new existence. Against beings that have the intelligence and power to bring about his death. Unicorn has nothing like that. His lack of adversity is stagnating his potential. And when he meets someone who is stronger or smarter or both it shows.
Normally; I'd agree with Nux's take on experience not mattering in this kind of scale, but I think with how Death battle put it, this is an exception. Unicron haven't fought anyone his own size ever aside from his brother, and who was it that tricked the other? Unicron would realistically have no way to know how to deal with something on his own level, and would most likely just fight and try the same thing for all of time. But Galactus having experienced multiple things on his own level means he knows that he needs tricks and cheats for those battles, and he is more than willing to do so, I mean that's the whole reason he made that ultimate nullifier weapon to begin with. So having that experience would definitely matter in this fight
It’s actually inaccurate to claim that Unicron has only fought Primus… it’s more that Unicron has fought Primus the most. Other gods of mythology exist and other entities besides Primus and Unicron are around - they generally though are more trying to hide away from Unicron as they fear him. Primus was created to be Unicron’s ultimate counter and even then Primus is technically weaker, having to go to long-term plans and schemes to weaken Unicron, while Unicron has brute forced through many of Primus’ schemes… just not all of them. Galactus does still have more experience than Unicron in those kind of battles but Death Battle did misconstrue that point somewhat.
You’re ignoring Alternity which already solos Marvel handily and the Elder Gods..
@@DagothUrAmaranth care to elaborate? And where can I read more from it?
@@theomega7699 Alternity is… wild to say the least.
I sorta just surf through the web for online sites that pirate comics or just allow you to read them free.
@@DagothUrAmaranth ah yes, the universe with an infinite number of "I win buttons" loses to a glorified toy commercial for kids. I'm definitely not being sarcastic in any way, please take as much offence to this as possible.
To be honest I had wanted Unicron to win because I just like him more than Galactus but I guess the stronger deity won.
They treated them both with respect I'll give them that
Still better than claiming dimitri from fire emblem has mountain destroying swings and moves faster than sound.
If they used that same scaling logic on wolverine than he should be outerversal by scaling to the greatest durability feat of Hulk’s strongest opponent like they scaled dimitri to rhea because he beat edelgard. And they even ignored the javelin that actually hit rhea’s scaling in order to wank her to the full damage of aliel when we can compare the hole in shambala’s ceiling to her body when she looks up to 8.5 tons of tnt, which edelgard still shouldn’t scale to because she and dimitri had help from an army armed with dragon killing weapons made to kill rhea’s species.
It’s killed fire emblem vs for me because now everyone keeps pitting fe characters against characters that flatten them because of this wank
@@firenze6478Fire Emblem has no good way to scale the characters
@@beef3442 I mean, they are basically really strong humans with magic and powerful weapons that band together to do incredible things. Death battle turning them into speedster monsters as strong as 4rth gear luffy is not the way to go.
Dimitri even has actual super strength but it’s displayed in things like lifting a horse, carrying around large boulders, constantly breaking his weapons snd crushing a mans skull with one hand.
If he and every other lord can bust mountains than stuff like this would be laughable normal and need not be highlighted as unusual
@@firenze6478 So you have a problem with the hobby of powerscaling entirely? Because that’s literally what powerscaling is
Nux just doesn't understand Marvel or power scaling.
Nor DC especially.
Or the idea that you have to compare the best of one character to the best of another in order to be fair to both.
I don't think they were saying Galactus wins specifically because he's stronger and more experienced, but rather that those factors prevent Unicron from winning simply from overpowering Galactus with brute force which is usually Unicron's go-to method. Then Galactus wins because he has plenty of time to perform the conceptual erasure that couldn't be countered.
Sooo, long story short, he's stronger...
Unicron can’t be erased like that…
@@DagothUrAmaranthneither can Galactus be defeated practically. Sucker is not only as force of nature, he is an integral part of the everything
@@DagothUrAmaranthyes he can
@@leonel392 But Galactus can be erased. Quite easily too.
Fun fact. Unicron's Model is version of him from the Transformers Armada anime. Probably because it's the only version of a Planet Unicron that has received an English Toy release. Other versions of Planet Unicron are Recolors of the Armada one.
It’s actually the WFC version that came out a while back. The one that was like $1400. You can tell by all those panels on the back. That toy needed a support in order to stand lol.
Something that bugged me a bit here, is nux discounted the feat of Galactus's fighting threatening the multiverse, but it's the same as the dragonball feat where Goku fighting Beerus threatened the universe.
Because when you are bias, you don't look at the world view. You look at your view
@@dakaraipatterson2986I mean there is a difference between these two feats
One side 2 equal opposite battling would destroy the entire multiverse not may not threaten they will destroy the entire multiverse if they continued
The other side is one person fighting someone significant stronger shaking a multiverse
For this it’s not bias I have no clue what your taking about because this is the worlds view there is a reason marvel and dragon ball are different verses in terms of powerscaling
except goku and beerus didn't shake any multiverse but rather a single universe. there's a huge difference between a universe and a multiverse.
@silentwraith2931 it is tho. Galactus has threatened the multiverse on multiple occasions. Most of his normal feats are when he is hungry, starving, poisoned, or weakened. When he had like a good meal(like an entire earths worth of twinkies), he goes back to being unstoppable. Thanos and most of the big-time villains or gods can not mess with this man. Also, about 90 percent of fiction is statements. Goku fighting beerus is fine, but Superman, doing literally anything is just questionable? That is what I mean by biased. This man Galactus took a headbutt from odin, thor's father, and it did not even phase him. How is a guy who combined with multiple gods not gonna be as powerful as a multiverse if not beyond it. We are talking high level marvel characters. Once you get to Phoenix, Galactus, the beyonder etc: multiverse is the tip of the iceberg
@@dakaraipatterson2986 oh yeah but that’s not them being bias that’s how death battle scale they don’t view layers of infinity as real so they don’t believe scaling beyond the multiverse and beyond infinity are “real” ( I mean superman and goku 3 was the first time they used the idea of immeasurable speed)
There research probably are decent scalers and probably use all the scaling types it’s just as the show of death battle they don’t use them as if you were a new viewer and say them talking about dimensionality and cosmology and layers / hierarchy they wouldn’t have a clue so they just remove the stuff thats beyond popular view (like ideas beyond the multiverse)
- Looks to me that Galactus decided to give Unicron an even worse fate than erasure: consuming and repurposing his chaotic essence.
- Hm, pretty sure they've only done two toon-on-toon fights so far (Bill Cipher vs Discord, Scooby vs Courage), and very few toons outside of that (Popeye and Spongebob being the most significant, and they're still very recent).
I'm really enjoying watching your take on these. I sometimes agree with you, and just as often don't, but it's fun to see your reaction. I love Death Battle, I have honestly considered working there as a researcher, but you, unlike many who bash them, honestly seem to be willing to admit when you think they have a point or you might have been wrong. You are willing to be convinced. That means a lot to me as a viewer. The first I watched of yours was the latest Goku Vs. Superman. You started on Gokus' side, but when presented with their findings you agreed Superman would likely win, then appreciated the effort put into the animation and the characters. So many fans just get sore that 'their boy' lost, which I never saw as the point. So thank you. I appreciate this and will continue to give your reactions a view after watching the original battle.
Oh, and, I think you missed the end of the fight. Unicron sent his spark into the nullifier and used it on Galactus, not the other way around. Galactus went into a pocket dimension, then basically absorbed/ate Unicron. Unicron was not defeated with the nullifier in their battle.
When they started throwing galaxies at each other I was waiting for gurran and anti-spiral to show up.
Galactus doesn't need to eat planets with life on them to live but he prefers planets with life on them bcause it recharges his batteries much more than planet's without life...
At least that's what I remember him saying once could've changed by now because Comic writers always back peddle on previously known lore all the damn time lol
I love how Nux keeps trying to chery pick feats all the time just because he doesn't agree with what is stated in the comics lol
A lot of the greatest feats of comic books are absolute, dumbfounding nonsense that doesn't make any sense from the writing perspective, and considering that Nux is basically a writing enthusiast, it makes it hard to blame him for getting annoyed at what is basically illogical (most often silver/golden age) bs
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To be fair to death battle, they try to use the characters at their best, using specific defeats if its relevant to them
Galactus losing to reed richards because he had his ultimate nullifier is contradictive, they bring it up mostly to point out Galactus cant even be beat with one of the most overpowered fictional weapons ever, which is relevant to the end of the fight
They didn't bring lifebringer galactus or "Herald of Thunder" Galactus (don't remember the specific epithet)
Except they didn't even use Unicron's best feats and made the completely brain dead statement that Unicron wasn't capable of destroying the multiverse(which he has literally done on several occasions).
@@AryanAkaneI think it was the original shattered glass fun pub comics but unicron was a multiverseal singularity it took a sword that can destroy multiverses with a swipe and multiple primes to “defeat” him. The defeat wasn’t killing him it was to remove his ability to be a singularity so now there’s a unicron in each dimension that’s just as if not stronger depending on the universe than the original
18:36 - In the original Marvel comics, killing Primus simultaneously with Unicron balances the scales (this is how they beat him back then). The entire Transformers Cybertron series is also about the aftermath of killing Unicron; if you destroy Unicron completely, without also destroying Primus, the universe balances itself by replacing him with something even worse. In this case, his death caused a supernatural black hole to spawn that would eventually have grown to consume the entire multiverse. It was only stopped after Unicron was resurrected (in the comics, the cartoon never shows it) and Primus shot it with a big gun. Even during all that, Unicron was just chilling in the void between realities, slowly pulling all life into nothingness because even permadeath wasn't enough to actually stop him. Nearly every story usually ends with him being knocked unconscious or imprisoned in some way, not outright destroyed.
Also, EVIL isn't actually something that needs to exist in the TF multiverse, just Chaos & Destruction. There are mirror universes where Unicron is good, but he is still the embodiment of Chaos and Destruction. Rather than abuse his powers, however, he only destroys that which is old and worn so that new life may grow in its place, and Chaos is fed by the existence of free will and evolution rather than violence and madness. Normal Unicron could be good if he wanted to, but he chooses to be evil.
That truly felt like a fight between cosmic forces of destruction.
“Unicron is pure destruction & chaos”
“The ultimate nullifier killed a being that is pure destruction & chaos”
Wow, I’m really gonna be on the edge of my seat for this one
Fun fact: when erased by the ultimate nullifier u go to the realm of oblivion the abstract of nothingness
@@Cosmicangel36That's not a fun fact ): Sad Fact
@@ipacklunches yeah I should’ve corrected that
To be fair, one of Unicron's deaths led to the Unicron Singularity. A giant black hole that warped space-time across the multiverse. So yeah, Unicron *can* die, but there are sometimes consequences if you succeed...
@@johnnygyro2295 well, yeah that would suck for a whole bunch of people, just not people named Galactus
It should be one sided. Most of Unicrons feats are things Galactus does on a weekly basis
Galactus did technically destroy the multiverse once when he absorbed too much magic from the magic dimension (it has an actual name, but I can't remember it at the moment). I say technically because the paradoxical nature of him and magic was so great that it essentially caused the multiverse to implode, leaving only Eternity, The Living Tribunal, and Dr. Strange (he only lived due to special circumstances) alive😮.
From what I remember there was a comic where Galactus says he allows himself to lose to our Earth Heroes as they do not know the amount of work he does to protect them.
As a berserk fan, you should check out Guts vs Demitri. Its actually very faitfhul to both characters in both personality and overall feel
Great deathbattle, but horribly 'one sided massacre', as Nux likes to say.
@@JackOBlades0801 it was the Weiss Death battle one,where they just killed a character from the same franchise where they high balled it just for damage control. Difference is this isn't recovering a marketing ploy,it's covering poor research
I like how on that one, guts fans thought he would lose while Dimitri fans thought he would lose
@@BreakerX42 that's imo the best kind of versus battle lol
Should have been Dimitri vs Seigfried
Orson Welles' Unicron in the '86 Transformers The Movie was an S+ Tier. It is crime he didn't live to see it finished, which is also why Unicron doesn't speak in the 2nd half. Definitely worth listening to just for Welles' domineering voice over.
“NOBODY SUMMONS MEGATRON!”
“Then it pleases me to be the first.”
As a whole Season 10 was easily some of DB's best videos by a landslide. I'm also still hoping Nux watches Guts VS Dimitri, given how he loves Berserk (no spoilers).
The ending was cool and wholesome as fuck
@@leonel392 Dude. I JUST said "no spoilers".
@@crimsonchaos7224 there, changed it
@@leonel392 Much appreciated.
That fight scene was basically Gurren Lagan.
Best Death Battle ever. Wish it lasted a little longer.
Who else wants Nux to watch Cole vs Alex? He’s watched every other episode from the 2nd half of season 10 so let’s complete that part and convince him to react to it.
I'm megamad about the result of that battle.
@@ibelieveingaming3562 There’s more to a Death Battle than just result, and it had both a great fight and a great soundtrack
@@ibelieveingaming3562 animation was great though
See in a real battle, Galacticus and Unicron would fight until every planet, every galaxy, every universe, and every multiverse has been destroyed and consumed by them both during their quarrel. In the end, with nothing to sustain either of them, Galactus would finally overpower Unicron and “win,” but Unicron’s last words wouldn’t be screaming in pain or “No! I have lost!”, they would be “Look around you. Every planet, every star, and every universe is dead. My mission is accomplished. And you are now doomed to starve.”
“If you kill unicron does that throw the universe out of wack?”
In one of the older shows it DID.
The unicron trilogy starting with transformers Armada in 2003 reintroduced him as a persistent threat in its two sequel series. And in the final Transformers Cybertron or galaxy force in Japan unicrons destruction lead to the creation of a supermassive black hole that would not stop spreading and it required the reawakening of primus to seal it up, which was the whole plot of that show.
Fun fact i have the whole cybertron show on dvd just sadly not the first two in the trilogy.
This is the closest we'll get to a battle between eldtich entities in death battle,which makes a lot of sense. Also i think nux underestimates how truly broken comics can get,especially top tiers like galactus.
To me, I like to think of the Ultimate Nullifier as basically the D-Matt on cosmic steroids.
Remember: The result really doesn’t matter, it’s just an excuse for awesome fights.
Two of the biggest chonkers to ever exist, and Galactus is gonna have one hell of a snack with this guy 🤣
You got the ending a little mixed up.
Before Galactus could use the Ultimate Nullifier, Unicron possessed the device and used it against Galactus.
Galactus avoided it by removing himself from the Multiverse and coming back, then ended the fight by absorbing Unicron on a conceptual level.
Third fight I recommend Alex Mercer vs Cole MacGrath.
The biggest reason unicron could lose is because he is the physical manifestation of those concepts, NOT the concepts themselves.
Except he also IS the concepts. That’s why even if every bit of him is destroyed, even his spark, he shows up again in another universe. Because those concepts still exist, and thus so does Unicron. It’s also why every Multiversal version of Unicron is actually just the SAME ONE. He’s a trans-Multiversal constant, as long as the idea of evil exists, Unicron does as well.
Galactus easily destroys the robot peasant
Good thing the U.N. can kill those things it's literally built to kill things like Unicron.
@@swordsmanthegamernine7973that’s exactly why I thought he would win, mid video they said that and I was sure they’d incorporate that into the fight as the reason he wins, you can’t kill a concept.
Technically you very much can kill a concept. You just need to kill whoever made that concept a thing. Concepts exist as long as sentient life exists to think of them.
I think they brought up the power differences because they've had people survive/reverse insta-win hax through superior power.
What's even funnier about him trying to hand wave away the multiversal destruction feat is that this claim was made by Oblivion, who is the literal embodiment of the void outside the multiverse, who was noting that the fight could bring about the destruction to return creation to him, the void.
One of the truest death battles
Nux. The closing remarks is just them summarizing the conclusion of the feats vs feats. Think of it like the ending stats of an MMA or Boxing.
So one thing they forgot to mention was that if Galactus dies the universe dies with it completely annihilated.
Doesn't that go for Unicron as well?
I don't think you understand what just happened. The Ultimate Nullifier did not work in Unicron's case. Unicron possessed it to use its power, my guess is as soon as he was in tbe Nullifier, he knew what it could do, but so does Galactus, and he also knows how to get around it. He hid in a pocket dimension so that all Unicron did was basically reset the universe with no change because Galactus wasn't there, then he came back and consumed Unicron.
I still wanna see them do a Godzilla vs. Metroplex death battle. They seem to be on a Transformers streak, so maybe...
Which Godzilla?
@@brianl8481 While I would like to see Legendary Godzilla in a death battle, Shin Godzilla would fit thematically for a fight against a Transformer.
@@President_Starscream How about Godzilla Minus One?
@@brianl8481 Haven't seen it yet and have been avoiding all spoilers.
All of these recent Death Battles from the past few months have been banger after banger.
So im still tripping how no one at all has talked about the rap battle they had during the fight. Who you think had the best bars?
On "Galactus eating planets scaling to destroying multiverse". Remember he EATS the planets for fuel. It's not a "feat of strength" to eat breakfast.
I knew Nux couldn’t hold a Hentia ref for more than 10mins bro lost in less than 2mins was the Twitter ref worth it?
Actually, the nullifier bombed. Galactus did not use the nullifier to kill Unicron.
Unicron's spark took over the nullifier and fired it on Galactus; Galactus escapes into a pocket dimension returns and just absorbs Unicron into himself bcoz he became hungry
Essentially any major comic book universe is going to win. Because it HAS to. They've been going so long that power creep ALONE will destroy any setting with a lesser amount of lore. When you have to regularly body superman or his proxy you're going to get insanely strong.
Eh, no. Death Battle just ignored information directly in pages they flashed behind them, as well as other stuff they chose to ignore. Unicron might not have been around for as long, but even in one of his three weakest depictions, he would beat Galactus. Galen *survived* the destruction of his universe and became cursed with Hunger, becoming Galactus. Unicron, on the other hand, *caused* the destruction of a multiverse-in his Astral form, before ever gaining a physical body. What fragments he left created the big bang while he was sleeping, because Unicron *didn't leave any life, not even prior deities behind* when he destroyed that multiverse. Sure, he ended up with opposition that eventually beat him... in that incarnation. At the cost of his equal's essence, which was created in the new multiverse. But that was one of the three weakest versions of him, and Death Battle cited some fiction that was even more powerful than that. It is a joke of a finale, plain and simple.
@@mixofreak Congrats. You're a bigger nerd than the death battle team. Did it help? No. It will never help. If you can't win your battle with normie level "I read 5 comics in my entire life!" lore, you're not going to win your battle.
@@BenLWolf And that's the thing... 5 comics lore is enough, but Death Battle chose to ignore some of what they flashed across the screen, in addition to putting off this fight until Galactus finally was given enough power-ups to make it not an absolute disgusting loss. It still should be a loss, but not as severely as it would have been six years ago. Galactus *survived* the destruction of a multiverse. Unicron *caused* that destruction. In astral form. Before he ever gained a physical form.
@mixofreak Galactus was able to fight The In-Betweener an outerverse deity, Unicron stood no chance
@@ParmeJonCheese677 No, the In-Betweener was and has always been a multiversal entity, created by Master Order and Lord Chaos, and is an opposite of Galactus. That's like saying, well, Unicron wins because he was able to fight Primus. Pitting them against their opposites is useless for power-scaling. In addition to, oh, Unicron literally being the embodiment of Evil, Chaos, and Death, which puts him as embodying two forces of nature, and one of morality. Sure, Galactus can say he is beyond evil, but is he beyond death? No, he's been killed multiple times.
great reaction nux, i think a death battle you might enjoy is Dr. Doom vs Lex Luthor
I get the Unicron used the nullifier on Galactus. What I don't understand is what did Galactus do after her returned from his pocket universe? What did he do at that point that was even capable of killing Unicron? Why and how did the fight suddenly end with that seemingly arbitrary attack?
Pretty sure he literally just ate Unicron, as in, absorbed his entire essence and being as a snack.
Thing you gotta remember is that the animations are mostly just cool depictions of the battle, Uniron taking control of the nullifier is a cool idea so they used it rather than just having Galactus press a button to win, but thats not necessarily the literal way they expect Galactus to win.
A theory I saw is that because Unicron reset the Multiverse while having his spark merged with the Nullifier, the new Multiverse basically merged the two together. This ended up neing Unicrons downfall, as the Nullifier IS Galactus, as Galactus is energy and the Nullifier is made out of the same energy. Thus, Unicron=Nullifier, so Unicron=Galactus's energy, which was promptly reabsorbed.
The multiverse destroyer device: so a being from outside the multiverse, that can leave at will, would be immune to that device. "I see that you are destroying the multiverse in order to remake multiverse without me in it. I will go back to where I came from, and when I see that things have calmed down, I will re-enter your multiverse."
This is the problem with fictional worlds. There can always be another layer.
i think unicron "possesed" the UN and tried to erase galactus since the quote " u dont know u power u posses"
meaning that unicron used the nulifier and failed cuz galactus had the safety on XD
From how he reappears after, I think the implication is supposed to be Galactus pulled the “I hid outside the universe” trick.
"and how are you going to destroy evil itself, that is the question."
Draws nightblood from the book Warbreaker
The Death: Unicron was DEVOURED by Galactus.
Amd this actually can work in killing Unicron off physically and nulling his threat. If there is 1 Unicron 'spirit', yet an entire multiverse's worth of inactive bodies, binding Unicron's 'spirit' to an infinitely more powerful being, nulling his ability to act, even his consciousness being rendered moot, counts as stopping him for good.
Also, the Ultimate Nullifer doesn't just erase you, it erases every iteration OF you in the infinite Marvel MULTIVERSE, including timelines and the like, while re-writing the INFINITE MARVEL MULTIVERSE into one where you don't exist in it at all. If you're an abstarct concept made manifest, then you're replaced by another who fulfills your role. At best, Unicron scales to Abraxas, and if he got erased by the Nullifier, then Unicron sure as hell isn't safe from the effects, as he's never gone up against anything LIKE the Nullifier in the Transforners multiverse and walked away unscathed. If Galactus, his superior in cosmic scale, has multiple gimmicks to prevent the Nullifier from being used on him, including a POCKET DIMENSION OUTSIDE OF THE INFINITE MARVEL MULTIVERSE, that all but implies he himself isn't safe from it, which damns Unicron outright just by being Galactus's lesser in cosmic scale.
I have enjoyed watching Nux's reactions to these. Especially when he can call the big discrepancies in power early on in their analysis.
Galactus is too powerful it’s crazy how the Fantastic 4, The Avengers, Spider-Man, Street level Heroes, Guardians of the Galaxy, and The X-Men have to work together to defeat him or send him somewhere far away from Earth.
Squirrel girl is one of the only heroes to solo him
@BreakerX42 don't forget the time ghost rider one shot him in one of the cartoons
@@ParmeJonCheese677 so very true, love that moment
@@BreakerX42 funny and true
Every time he's beat by someone, he's usually hungry
I think its fair to say you are right on a lot of points with your scaling, but one thing I'd say is on the whole using their loss feats as well as win feats, a lot of those "losses" wind up being unable to be explained by any way other than "it had to happen for plot convenience", and with power scaling the whole point is to take author intent out of the picture and compare the characters on a neutral field. Its kinda the same reason we dont just say "whoever the author wants to win wins" type shit imo
Honestly, I know for a fact that Galactus got infected by strange energies before, as well as a zombie plague. Seeing as Dark Energon works as both, it should stand to reason that Unicron would be able to take over Galactus if the latter tries to devour the former.
Zombie Plague was basically a Quantum Virus (Not going by What-if but actual said in comics) that would operate on similar levels of Cosmic Energy like Phoenix Force, and Pym Particles which has effected beings similar to Galactus.
And Unicron can only affect Evil or Destructive beings. Galactus is the truest neutral to ever live
Nux will never not name these as "such and such" one sided. Even the tied ones.
I'm suprise that Galactus even won at all. Now before anyone shouts "He's the power cosmics and omniversal and so on.". But here's the the thing, Galactus suffers the Marvel Jobber effects and other cosmic beings without the power cosmics have beaten him before. Such as a large group of Celestials, the Black Winter to the point where he needed Thor's help, Thanos, and the Chaos King.
Also with the Ultimate Nullifier when it was used on Eternity, the living embodiment of the Marvel universe, he came back, despite the weapon power to annihilate concepts.
Isn't that because he's mostly hungry; He tries to space (pun intented) his meals to be just enought to not kill him.
A fully fed Galactus is as strong as any other concept in Marvel; The Ultimate Nullifer even puts him above other concepts. Galactus is the end of the Multiverse; But also kickstarts the next.
@boxtupos7718 Kinda, half the time they don't mention if Galactus is fully fed or starved, he just shows without it being mentioned.
If you didn't notice at the end there, Unicron's spark left the body and attached itself to the universal nullifier, that was the purple glow around it. Still did no good lol.
Just based on the description they gave of the original Unicron, maybe that would be comparable to Galactus. The one that's there after being cut in half? Just seems kinda fsr off.... Like say, 50% of Galactus 😅
Highly recommended imaginary axis video on deep dive of Galactus
Here's a disturbing thought for ya! Galactus is the embodiment of the universe.. Eating worlds means he eats himself to live.
Self vore
I'm just glad more people get to learn how OP Unicron is. We really don't get to see him go all out outside of comics.
The biggest problem with this death battle is they end up contradicting themselves even though Galactus was far more powerful than Unicron they directly stated that even if unicorn is destroyed completely he will reappear in a new universe because he is an immutable infinite concept. The very Act of fighting him means he will come back because violence is Unicron. The act of destroying Unicron is destruction which is Unicron therefore Unicron continues to exist. Also they showed that the ultimate nullifier didn't work as unicorns simply manifested after it's used and he was the one using it. This fight should have theoretically lasted forever because Galactus had no physical way to get rid of unicron under any circumstance so the fight would have gone on until the entire Multiverse was destroyed and Galactus no longer had a food source. They even stated that this fight ultimately came down to power which power cannot destroy Unicron based upon the very description they used for the character. They had to pick a winner so that the fight would end when they should have just had it end in a tie and say the fight went on forever. As you said Knox these are complex characters and how they are written should take a bigger role in the fight than just power levels. Galactus with far more powerful but he did not have a way to win this fight. The only way Galactus stood a chance to actually end the fight would be to destroy the concept of evil and destruction itself which in itself is a paradox and cannot be done but even if he could that would require the total annihilation of all sentient life including himself that could ever commit evil which in itself is an evil act therefore Unicron still exists comparing Unicron to Abraxas doesn't work because of brexit was a finite being Unicron isn't. Abraxas was a being representing the concept of evil and destruction whereas Unicron is the concept of evil and destruction and as long as it exists he does
I mean Galactus destroyed the concept of Destruction of Marvel as well.
Not so. Both Abraxas and Unicron are multiversal abstract beings that represent the concept of the entire multiversal cosmos' inevitable destruction. They scale pretty well, excepting that Marvels' cosmos is larger. Second, Unicron did not survive being hit by the nullifier so the fight did not "show that the ultimate nullifier didn't work". The nullifier *only* removes the chosen object/being from reality. Unicron was in no danger because Unicron was not attacked. Galactus was in no danger because he left the multiverse being rewritten. As Unicron cannot do this, there is no real reason to think the nullifier wouldn't work.
That said, the idea of Unicron coming back into being as long as there is destruction *is* a valid issue that I agree they didn't address properly. Perhaps Galactus, having no malice in his destruction, does not permit Unicron to return the same way hatred would? Then again, would destruction on surviving worlds bring Unicron back? Would Galactus have to extinguish sapient life? Or, perhaps, did Galactus just absorb Unicron? Unicron lives, but as a subset of Galactus?
The battle went back and forth several times. Maybe you should watch it again. Cool avatar bro.
10:50 Kirby can canonically survive that
36:00 You're forgetting something nux. The nullifier IS part of that greater power. Aside from Galactus being easily able to destroy the multiverse without even trying in a second the nullifier is part of that power so I don't know why you're complaining that they didn't use it, it's part of that greater power!😂 It was pretty much saying Unicron would never have won even if he was physically stronger because of the ultimate nullifier so it was just adding on to the fact that no matter what Unicron never would have won😂
This is probably the highest quality Death Battle has ever given us. I am also indifferent to the random comedy Death Battle to open new seasons gimmick. Anyway, I can't wait until you finish Eminence in Shadow Season 2. I want to see if it will make you as excited as I was watching it.
Yeah, it is 100% one sided, I don't know the depths of Unicron or Galactus lore, but once that nullifier was mentioned... game over, there is no beating that, it's completely one sided. If Unicron had any chance of winning, it'd have to be if we ignored the nullifier's existence.
6:33- The fact that he's a multiversal force that only needs to consume planets, instead of universes, shows just how energy efficient he is. In fact, if I'm remembering correctly, that's part of the point to Galactus: he is meant to produce more than he ate when it's time for the multiverse to be reborn. Suck it perpetual motion, we're going further beyond with creation of matter and energy.
Yes, at the end of the Universe Galactus will eat everything and cause another big bang that begins a new one.
@@ElHarmonyV Thank you for confirming it.
Some others: "Hurr Durr, Unicorn is omniversal and has fought countless beings that-"
Me: "Sir, Sir, I unerstand your points but....Energy absorption and Ultimate nullifier." :|