I think you're misreading the final choice in Infamous 2. It isn't so much evil vs. good as it is hope vs practicality. The RFI isn't a guaranteed plague cure. It might just kill John and thereby doom both humans and conduits to extinction. The idea is that his methods are horrible but a surefire way to save enough people so life continues. Whereas using the RFI has the potential to save more but may very well make the situation worse. This was originally supposed to be the canon ending but suckerpunch changed it due to...trophy data on which one players picked.
I honestly still think that the RFI was the right decision. The thing about it though is that Dr. Wolfe and everyone else had no way of knowing whether or not it was gonna work. So the RFI was a huge gamble with the lives of billions at stake. And yeah the Evil route was definitely supposed to be canon thanks to trophy data. Not only that but Second Son, going off of the events that Augustine laid out for us during her speech, definitely feels like it takes place some time after the Evil ending when Cole moves from state-to-state activating new Conduits.
My good gentleman, Based Nocturne, really adds the Tenkaichi 3 stage select music to this video. Instant ear to ear grin, lmao. Being dead honest, my early teenage years wouldn't have been the same if I didn't have InFamous 1 and 2 in my life. I have them played them all extensively. I played InFamous 1 on a Target demo PS3 and was in shock at how good it felt to climb anything and go anywhere. The writing in InFamous 2 was sublime was very sophisticated, especially as compared to todays narratives in gaming. Second Son sequel when, pls. I actually loved this game and consider it equal to the first 2. They took a risk by adding a new character and that is always going to divide a fanbase a little. I would have also preferred a 3rd game with Cole maybe where you can select different BEGINNINGS as well in addition to making moral choices throughout and having a final choice at the end.
Haha Tenkaichi 3's soundtrack has so many bangers that I feel like the BGM for these vids would've been missing without it. I can also relate, my teenage years never would've been the same either. Those games inspired me to try and brainstorm my own heroes and villains during class; determine which powers they would have, their motivations, etc. If it weren't for PSN getting hacked way back in 2011, I don't think I ever would've played these games outside of the demos. For as harsh as I was during my Second Son retrospectives (too harsh in some areas, admittedly), I do look forward to a sequel that can build upon the gameplay mechanics, characters, and story. I wanna see what powers Sucker Punch comes up with next, explore whatever new city they craft while parkouring, etc. Trust and believe that I do think that a sequel to that game has the potential to be great.
The presence of Conduits in Second Son didn't really make sense. I thought they would justify it by having a 20 year timeskip. If everyone with a certain gene dies, even those who didn't activate their powers yet, it would make sense that new babies being born after that could have conduit genes, and it would take 18 years for those new kids to grow up.
The Conduits resurging even after the activation of the RFI will always bother me. I've said it before, but I think that that plot point could've gone over better if Second Son took place during the events of the first two games.
Man we need more infamous retrospectives on youtube shit I miss this series..and it hurts me that we won't see another one for awhile maybe near the end if ps5 or even beginning of ps6..but with that being said I wish first light was a full game..cause damn the combat is wayy more fun than in second son..fletch is also wayy better written than delsin imo..but goodshit frfr
Yeah I made this series because I wanted the chance to gush over some of my favorite games of all time. And yeah, with the way things are going, I don't think we'll see another Infamous game (at least one that's on-par with the first two. I also found myself enjoying First Light far more than I did Second Son. Fetch's powers were more fun to play with and the challenge room was awesome. As for Fetch, I do think she was better-written than Delsin as well. She's witty, cynical, and badass. Sucker Punch had the potential for another DLC featuring Eugene and his own unique powers but didn't do anything with it.
@LunarNocturne I know this is gonna sound salty but i blame ghost of tsushima lmao. Dont get me wrong its a good game..however people call it a masterpiece when for me i just cant see it that way..its reported their busy with ghost of tsushima 2 I understand studios cant make the same ip forever i understand they get burned out too..but damn its been 10 years almost and its not like the infamous games didnt sell well.thats why I was so excited for forspoken it reminded me of infamous in away only for that game to be mediocre..and true man Iowkey feel she should have been the main character for second son..maybe just give her one extra power and boom....but I hope your vids get more love fr.. some good shit
It's a lot of things: From developing the Ghost itself, to speaking with publishers. As much as I love Ghost of Tsushima, I can see where a lot of people's criticisms come from. There are times where it feels like other open-world games where they leave a lot of busy-work throughout the world. That's also right, studios can't keep working with the same IP. Despite that, I wish Sucker Punch came out with a remastered collection of their older titles. Infamous and the Sly games are stuck on old hardware and that seems to be the only way to play those unfortunately. We are in need of another unique superhero game.
Very nice retrospective. Also after getting to the end, I just realized inFAMOUS Festival of Blood wasn't included. I haven't played Second Son or First Light. Though I've seen that in Second Son, the Evil Ending has a 2nd version where Delsin doesn't kill the tribe. I went for the evil routes in inFAMOUS 1 and 2. I actually prefer the Evil Ending in inFAMOUS 2. I cant see Cole sacrificing all the Conduits in the Good Ending as a Heroic action. Yes it leads to less death but, killing people who didnt even have a chance to fight back isnt heroic to me. That and the Good Ending weirdly dehumanizes John compared to the Evil Ending. Also I love the choice in music in your videos. I was shocked to hear Devil Survivor 1 & 2 music ontop of other MegaTen titles and Yakuza songs.
Wait there was a different Evil ending planned for Second Son where the tribe lives? Your take on Infamous 2's Evil ending is really good! You opened up my eyes to the potential issues that could arise from Cole activating the RFI. Lots of people who never knew they had a special gene dying out of nowhere is a pretty dark thing to imagine. I also share the same issue with the Good Ending of Infamous 2. We speak to John quite a bit before that ending and then he just devolves to the mindless killing machine he was at the start of the game. No confrontation? No words exchanged? Bummer. I had so much fun picking out the BGM for this video. I chose Devil Survivor and other SMT tracks because those tracks have a diverse sound and mood. Glad you loved that!
@@lunarnocturne I believe it's if you don't do every Evil choice (or don't kill Hank since that's what most say). Evil Ending ends at Betty closing the door. The Orbital Drop part doesn't happen. To also add, Conduits don't need to come into contact with a Ray Sphere to get their powers. The powers will eventually activate naturally, the Ray Sphere prematurely activated it. Hence why Zeke didn't get anything when he tried it due to not having the Conduit gene. Cole was able to survive and heal fast from a truck collision before his powers activated. Also will add that I'm still annoyed the Good Ending in INFAMOUS 2 was made canon because of Trophy Data. I can't think of anything where most people would prefer to be the Villain instead of the Hero. I'm also annoyed because I did both endings while my siblings only did the Good Ending. Meaning I shot myself in the foot without knowing.
Might have to look into that ending. If what you say is true, then that means that Second Son very likely takes place after the Bad Ending of the previous game, especially since Augustine confirms that she survived the Beast. And yeah the interquel comics do a good job at clearing up the events between Infamous 1 and 2. Cole legit healed overnight from that truck accident like it was nothing lol. The canon being decided by trophy stats by the writers and directors doesn't surprise me at all. They likely wanted to please people so that they don't lose out on profits. Another day in the game industry, sadly. I do wish we got more games where the protagonist (?) is just outright evil from the start instead of having evil being an option for one of the endings.
@@lunarnocturne There was an interview where Nate Fox said that the Evil Ending was initially gonna be canon. But trophy daya swayed the vote. Second Son is in the Good Ending, it's just that inFAMOUS 2's Good Ending has no sequel potential. So Second Son has no answer to Conduits being back, only theories. One theory was in the pre-order DLC that after MANY YEARS became available to buy for late buyers.
Yeah being set after the Good Ending really muddied the waters. Doesn't help that the answers came in the form of pre-order DLC that very few got to play, even after being made free. Also I forgot to mention your point about Infamous: Festival of Blood. I was originally gonna cover that, but I thought coverage of the base game was enough for that video. While writing and planning or the Second Son retrospective, I got the idea to cover Festival of Blood as a Halloween special but I scrapped it because I was burnt out at the time. I might still cover it for Halloween though.
When I made the Infamous 1 vid, I had plans on covering the comics before making the Infamous 2 vid, but I scrapped the idea, since another youtuber (Zivalene) did a better job than I would have.
Solid video but I disagree with second son I thought it was a solid game. Better than 2 and 1? Story wise nah but I can’t say it was underwhelming for me. However I understand why it did for others
This and the Saints Row Retrospective got me through my 12 hour shift today. Love the Max Payne 3 music. I thought my Spotify was bugging out but nope, the OST was used in the video by you. Great videos on some great games with great music!
It feels sobering knowing that my videos are getting people through long shifts at work! Glad I could help you survive the grueling 12-hour shift. Also, HEALTH was an excellent choice to lead the music for Max Payne 3. Their experimental noise/electronic rock really sells the grueling nature of the game. I couldn't help but add it to the BGM for these vids! Apologies for the Spotify scare too lmao.
I think you're misreading the final choice in Infamous 2. It isn't so much evil vs. good as it is hope vs practicality. The RFI isn't a guaranteed plague cure. It might just kill John and thereby doom both humans and conduits to extinction. The idea is that his methods are horrible but a surefire way to save enough people so life continues. Whereas using the RFI has the potential to save more but may very well make the situation worse. This was originally supposed to be the canon ending but suckerpunch changed it due to...trophy data on which one players picked.
I honestly still think that the RFI was the right decision. The thing about it though is that Dr. Wolfe and everyone else had no way of knowing whether or not it was gonna work.
So the RFI was a huge gamble with the lives of billions at stake.
And yeah the Evil route was definitely supposed to be canon thanks to trophy data. Not only that but Second Son, going off of the events that Augustine laid out for us during her speech, definitely feels like it takes place some time after the Evil ending when Cole moves from state-to-state activating new Conduits.
To quote Angry Joe: "FOUR HOURS!?!"
Nah but fr this is good shit.
Same thing went across my mind when I looked at the total runtime in my editor lmao.
This is the best video game series made (sucker punch is the GOAT)
An incredibly talented studio indeed
Just ordered a pizza specifically to enjoy this
Glad I could make your dinner worth it!
We’re very much owed an explanation for why kessler’s timeline is so different from ours
That's bothered me for more than a decade.
I really like that he was the kind of villain whose intentions were to prepare the protag through torment.
1:18:36 bro the little "Tink" sound just caught me off guard lmao 🤣
So quiet yet so effective lol. I know that shit had to hurt
Here from Sophia Narwitz recommendation. I'll have to watch this later when I'm more awake.
Thanks dude, hope you enjoy.
I'm glad Soph was able to bring you here.
@@lunarnocturne She's good people. I'll have to watch your other stuff, too!
Thanks man! Be on the lookout for my Saint's Row 2 retrospective
My good gentleman, Based Nocturne, really adds the Tenkaichi 3 stage select music to this video. Instant ear to ear grin, lmao.
Being dead honest, my early teenage years wouldn't have been the same if I didn't have InFamous 1 and 2 in my life. I have them played them all extensively. I played InFamous 1 on a Target demo PS3 and was in shock at how good it felt to climb anything and go anywhere. The writing in InFamous 2 was sublime was very sophisticated, especially as compared to todays narratives in gaming.
Second Son sequel when, pls. I actually loved this game and consider it equal to the first 2. They took a risk by adding a new character and that is always going to divide a fanbase a little. I would have also preferred a 3rd game with Cole maybe where you can select different BEGINNINGS as well in addition to making moral choices throughout and having a final choice at the end.
Haha Tenkaichi 3's soundtrack has so many bangers that I feel like the BGM for these vids would've been missing without it.
I can also relate, my teenage years never would've been the same either. Those games inspired me to try and brainstorm my own heroes and villains during class; determine which powers they would have, their motivations, etc.
If it weren't for PSN getting hacked way back in 2011, I don't think I ever would've played these games outside of the demos.
For as harsh as I was during my Second Son retrospectives (too harsh in some areas, admittedly), I do look forward to a sequel that can build upon the gameplay mechanics, characters, and story.
I wanna see what powers Sucker Punch comes up with next, explore whatever new city they craft while parkouring, etc.
Trust and believe that I do think that a sequel to that game has the potential to be great.
As a member of Anonymous during the PSN hack, you're welcome for the free game.
NO WAY.
The presence of Conduits in Second Son didn't really make sense. I thought they would justify it by having a 20 year timeskip. If everyone with a certain gene dies, even those who didn't activate their powers yet, it would make sense that new babies being born after that could have conduit genes, and it would take 18 years for those new kids to grow up.
The Conduits resurging even after the activation of the RFI will always bother me. I've said it before, but I think that that plot point could've gone over better if Second Son took place during the events of the first two games.
Man we need more infamous retrospectives on youtube shit I miss this series..and it hurts me that we won't see another one for awhile maybe near the end if ps5 or even beginning of ps6..but with that being said I wish first light was a full game..cause damn the combat is wayy more fun than in second son..fletch is also wayy better written than delsin imo..but goodshit frfr
Yeah I made this series because I wanted the chance to gush over some of my favorite games of all time.
And yeah, with the way things are going, I don't think we'll see another Infamous game (at least one that's on-par with the first two.
I also found myself enjoying First Light far more than I did Second Son. Fetch's powers were more fun to play with and the challenge room was awesome.
As for Fetch, I do think she was better-written than Delsin as well. She's witty, cynical, and badass.
Sucker Punch had the potential for another DLC featuring Eugene and his own unique powers but didn't do anything with it.
Also I'm glad to see I was able to fill the void with my Infamous retrospectives! Thanks so much!
@LunarNocturne
I know this is gonna sound salty but i blame ghost of tsushima lmao. Dont get me wrong its a good game..however people call it a masterpiece when for me i just cant see it that way..its reported their busy with ghost of tsushima 2
I understand studios cant make the same ip forever i understand they get burned out too..but damn its been 10 years almost and its not like the infamous games didnt sell well.thats why I was so excited for forspoken it reminded me of infamous in away only for that game to be mediocre..and true man Iowkey feel she should have been the main character for second son..maybe just give her one extra power and boom....but I hope your vids get more love fr.. some good shit
It's a lot of things: From developing the Ghost itself, to speaking with publishers.
As much as I love Ghost of Tsushima, I can see where a lot of people's criticisms come from.
There are times where it feels like other open-world games where they leave a lot of busy-work throughout the world.
That's also right, studios can't keep working with the same IP.
Despite that, I wish Sucker Punch came out with a remastered collection of their older titles.
Infamous and the Sly games are stuck on old hardware and that seems to be the only way to play those unfortunately.
We are in need of another unique superhero game.
Very nice retrospective. Also after getting to the end, I just realized inFAMOUS Festival of Blood wasn't included.
I haven't played Second Son or First Light. Though I've seen that in Second Son, the Evil Ending has a 2nd version where Delsin doesn't kill the tribe. I went for the evil routes in inFAMOUS 1 and 2. I actually prefer the Evil Ending in inFAMOUS 2. I cant see Cole sacrificing all the Conduits in the Good Ending as a Heroic action. Yes it leads to less death but, killing people who didnt even have a chance to fight back isnt heroic to me. That and the Good Ending weirdly dehumanizes John compared to the Evil Ending.
Also I love the choice in music in your videos. I was shocked to hear Devil Survivor 1 & 2 music ontop of other MegaTen titles and Yakuza songs.
Wait there was a different Evil ending planned for Second Son where the tribe lives?
Your take on Infamous 2's Evil ending is really good! You opened up my eyes to the potential issues that could arise from Cole activating the RFI. Lots of people who never knew they had a special gene dying out of nowhere is a pretty dark thing to imagine.
I also share the same issue with the Good Ending of Infamous 2. We speak to John quite a bit before that ending and then he just devolves to the mindless killing machine he was at the start of the game. No confrontation? No words exchanged? Bummer.
I had so much fun picking out the BGM for this video. I chose Devil Survivor and other SMT tracks because those tracks have a diverse sound and mood.
Glad you loved that!
@@lunarnocturne I believe it's if you don't do every Evil choice (or don't kill Hank since that's what most say). Evil Ending ends at Betty closing the door. The Orbital Drop part doesn't happen.
To also add, Conduits don't need to come into contact with a Ray Sphere to get their powers. The powers will eventually activate naturally, the Ray Sphere prematurely activated it. Hence why Zeke didn't get anything when he tried it due to not having the Conduit gene. Cole was able to survive and heal fast from a truck collision before his powers activated.
Also will add that I'm still annoyed the Good Ending in INFAMOUS 2 was made canon because of Trophy Data. I can't think of anything where most people would prefer to be the Villain instead of the Hero. I'm also annoyed because I did both endings while my siblings only did the Good Ending. Meaning I shot myself in the foot without knowing.
Might have to look into that ending.
If what you say is true, then that means that Second Son very likely takes place after the Bad Ending of the previous game, especially since Augustine confirms that she survived the Beast. And yeah the interquel comics do a good job at clearing up the events between Infamous 1 and 2. Cole legit healed overnight from that truck accident like it was nothing lol.
The canon being decided by trophy stats by the writers and directors doesn't surprise me at all. They likely wanted to please people so that they don't lose out on profits. Another day in the game industry, sadly.
I do wish we got more games where the protagonist (?) is just outright evil from the start instead of having evil being an option for one of the endings.
@@lunarnocturne There was an interview where Nate Fox said that the Evil Ending was initially gonna be canon. But trophy daya swayed the vote. Second Son is in the Good Ending, it's just that inFAMOUS 2's Good Ending has no sequel potential. So Second Son has no answer to Conduits being back, only theories. One theory was in the pre-order DLC that after MANY YEARS became available to buy for late buyers.
Yeah being set after the Good Ending really muddied the waters.
Doesn't help that the answers came in the form of pre-order DLC that very few got to play, even after being made free.
Also I forgot to mention your point about Infamous: Festival of Blood.
I was originally gonna cover that, but I thought coverage of the base game was enough for that video.
While writing and planning or the Second Son retrospective, I got the idea to cover Festival of Blood as a Halloween special but I scrapped it because I was burnt out at the time. I might still cover it for Halloween though.
The bonus dlc missions coles legacy explains how conduits returned after infamous 2
I dunno, I still don't like how they gloss over it throughout the game.
@@lunarnocturne I agree 100%
Bruh u forgot the post blast and six issue limited series comics😮💨
When I made the Infamous 1 vid, I had plans on covering the comics before making the Infamous 2 vid, but I scrapped the idea, since another youtuber (Zivalene) did a better job than I would have.
I do wonder if there will be a sequel to second son
Probably, but Sucker Punch isn't known for remastering old titles (except for Sly)
Solid video but I disagree with second son I thought it was a solid game. Better than 2 and 1? Story wise nah but I can’t say it was underwhelming for me. However I understand why it did for others
I understand why a lot of people love this game, it's just me- the lack of substance is what killed it for me.
This and the Saints Row Retrospective got me through my 12 hour shift today. Love the Max Payne 3 music. I thought my Spotify was bugging out but nope, the OST was used in the video by you. Great videos on some great games with great music!
It feels sobering knowing that my videos are getting people through long shifts at work! Glad I could help you survive the grueling 12-hour shift.
Also, HEALTH was an excellent choice to lead the music for Max Payne 3. Their experimental noise/electronic rock really sells the grueling nature of the game. I couldn't help but add it to the BGM for these vids!
Apologies for the Spotify scare too lmao.