Hey Memo! I am a HUGE Epipremnum fanatic, i actually find it quite odd that you have struggled so much with your cebu blue, I live in South Africa and mine are growing like crazy, I have every single variant i could find both on a moss pole aswell as in a hanging pot, my cebu blue probably being one of the easiest in my experience, the moss poles definitely help a ton tho. The only variant that i tend to have some trouble with is my Epipremnum pinnatum 'skeleton key' its just been a really fussy plant ober the past year ive had it and is very unforgiving when it comes to overwatering. I think your issues as you've suggested, might be because of the fact that they are growing in PON, I've found that they actually really don't need as much water as one would think, I leave mine to dry out almost completely before I water them again and they have been growing like crazy, I get up to 6 leaves a month during the growing season. Would definitely suggest you move them to a airoid mix and im sure they will take off like crazy for you! Also yes with your confusion in the beginning, cebu blue is indeed Epipremnum pinnatum👌
Nice video. I’m surprised at the scores. I was interested in getting a variegated pinatum, but other than the splits in the leaf, my marble/snow Queen looks much more impressive. Thanks for the review! Love that shirt!
Hey Richard, aww glad you enjoyed and thanks for the shirt 😊 yeah I think based on other people's reviews down below I am definately in the minority on my scores 😅🤷🏻 maybe it's my care of it. But yeah I would agree marble queen and snow queen are more impressive 😅💚🌿
Really great video!! I’m a big fan of epipremnum and I have to say the cebu blue is one of my top 3 favourite plants ever. I’m a big fan of the leaf colour, and I actually find it much faster than any of my other pothos, including the golden! I’m in zone 5b for growing, so we get pretty cold and dark winters and even now it’s still pushing out a leaf every 1-2 weeks per vine! I originally had mine just on a stake support (coir mosspole) and I actually got some fenestration’s on some leaves after only having it as a rooted cutting for about 3-4 months. I do use a grow light on it, and I find it happy with that. I’ve only ever grown in soil and I would completely agree that the pinnatum prefers that. I also have a Baltic blue that I completely chopped and propped a few months ago, I had the cuttings in water for weeks without getting a single root but I decided just to pot them back into the soil with the very tiny mother plant I had left and they were all rooted to the point that I could give them a nice tug and not have them shift at all within 3 weeks. I would definitely recommend trying your cebu blue in soil and even just giving it a support stake might give it the tools it needs to grow better and maybe make you enjoy it as a part of your collection more! Thanks for another wonderful video!!!
Hey Memo, I agree the E Pinnatum variegated is a slower grower and mine is in an aroid mix but i have to say my leaves are gorgeous, I love the shape, little fenestrations coming in and feathering along the edges makes them really pretty. Maybe yours will grow on you once they get abit larger… 💚
Hey Memo. Yea, not giving these plants moss poles almost certainly the reason you’re experiencing such a slow rate of growth on these plants. They size up fast with a moss pole!
Just bought a variegated Pinnatum a few days back for only 12 euros 😁 (Netherlands). It's a decent size too and already has some fenestrations. I really like it!
I Love pinnatum! I have a Cebu, Varigata, Skeleton and Asian forms. I live in Melbourne Australia so we're sort of like you guys in the UK weatherwise at times and these plants grow great! The silver in the cebu and the variegated one are a bit slower here than what they'd grow like up in Queensland where it's more tropical, but in the summer they do grow quite a lot if you have and are quite thirsty plants over those 3 months. They are drought tolerant plants and like being a little dry between watering making them a super easy care plant. I've recently made cuttings of all of mine as they were going bananas and I couldn’t make more room to curl them back into thier pots! 🤣 The thing that bugs me about these is there's so many companies even here that sell Dragontail plants as Pinnatums despite there being an obvious difference between the plants, so if anyone is looking to buy one, inspect the plant carefully before you purchase! Pinnatums have holes in the leaves as they start getting ready to fenestrate where's the dragontail doesn't and splits it fenestrates quite differently too.
The soil part resonates with me so much! I've been on a semi hydro kick and put my e. pin. albo props into it. Hasn't done a single thing in close to 6 months. It's even under a growlight and REFUSING to do anything. I did get more roots. But foliage? PAH! I've been thinking about putting it back into soil just to test. Gonna do that now 😁 Also I've killed two e. pin. albos through root rot. Crept into most of the stem incredibly quickly. Even after repotting into an airy mix and removing the coco coir as best as I could. Now I only have green bits left. The ones with white all exited life 🥲
I have a surprisingly different experience with Epipremnum pinnatum but maybe it's not that surprising considering the two types I have, you dont. And I have very different experiences with both as well. Last spring I bought a cheap and unlabelled very dark blue plant from a Paris' unusual plant shop. I am now pretty confident it's the same plant as the early "blue form" or the more recent Costa Farm's "Baltic Blue" so I usually call it my Baltic Blue. I bought it as a small trailing plant, and even some smallest 2-£cm leaves had random fenestrations. I put it up a dry cork bark pole and at the end of the summer I had a 1m high plant with 15cm leaves with several fenestration. It's the easier and faster "maturation" of an aroid I did and definitly my fastest growing plant, way faster than my Golden Pothos. I will chop and extend and I hope to have huge pinnatified dark leaves next fall. The other one is a Skeleton Key with a funny story. In september 2021 I meet a girl for a plant swap and she proposed some free plants that she was bored of. one of them was a very small SK propagation. I declined but told another friend that this person was giving some of her wishlist plants for free. In november 2022 I met that friend because we bought seeds together. And she offered to me a plant she was bored of... guess what, it was the exactly same,very small SK propagation, in the same state a year later. I still have it, it,s healthy with a very large root system but it keep pushing 2cm leaves and killing it's older leaves. it's so slow it's not even leggy even after probably far more than a year of "propagation" and it's officially my slowest growing plant, slower than any cacti I have.
Hi, my Cebu Blue I have as just trailing so no mature leaves but it does grow like a weed and I have it hanging in a spot with no real direct light and the colour is really good. Only just got the variegated form (for £4) so I'm going to moss pole that one.
Need want. Defo on my list but onkt with the immature leaves. So as much as I love it its low on my want list. On a fun note I convinced myself I need a shelf in the front room so bought a pack of 3. So nearly have plant space hehe Great video Have fun
Oh, I just repotted my cebu blue in pon today before you posted this video :( , but I did give it a moss pole . I have some variegated cuttings as well from a swap last week, will root those and try an aroid mix
If given tropical conditions and aroid mix, pinnatum green and variegata grow fast when they are kinda established. When moved from a bright almost direct sun to deep dark indoor spaces, even a mature climbing fenestrated, split specimen will quickly devolve into a leafless runner mode (based on my mom's green pinnatum on a pole). I don't like how the variegata is more easily shocked when repotted, and gets root rot. A variegated cutting of mine even randomly rotted after developing water roots in water. The white camoflauge variegations are actually very beautiful, better than njoy or marble queen pothos as it is a proper variegata pattern. If they ever produce an epi aureum albothat has patterns like pinnatum albo, then I would totally get that one. In terms of juvenile form, the normal pothos feels and looks better, and does not devolve into a runner stem even in dark conditions. Pinnatum green sometimes has monstera peru-like bumps which kinda turn me off. From juvenile it takes around 5 or 6 months to get pinnates on the green, in a tropical setting (Philippines). Pinnatum green is also more pest tolerant than golden pothos in an outdoor setting.
Hi Memo! Love your channel. What is your plant care app that you use? I have cebu blue which is a vigorous grower for me, also have marbled and albo version of ep. Pinatum
For some reason I have a very different experience with my cebu blue. I've got one in soil as a hanging basket and one in leca on a moss pole and they are both growing like a weed. I think I've lost a bit of interest in this plant because of how fast it grows. In my experience cebu blue loves leca, but only if it is warm (25C or higher).
Hi memo, love your videos from Canada here I have a plant that grows exactly like a Cebu blue shape, size everything but it’s a dark, dark green almost a jade shade. Any suggestions what that would be?
Hmmmm interesting, did you get it from a major retailer or private seller? The reason I am asking is if it is a private seller it might have been sold to that private seller as a Cebu blue. Did you get it as a Cebu blue? Hey to Canada 👋 glad you are enjoying the videos 😊💚🌿
@@Houseplantygoodness now that I’ve watched you video I think it’s just a dark green EP thanks and yes love your videos I should make one on how I keep my 100 plants thriving in Northern Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 🤪
I have a those same three pinnatum as well! Love tham all! I bought the green one as a Baltic Blue but it’s pretty green, so I have always been confused about that. It pinnates rather quickly without any kind of pole or trellis, so I don’t know… could it be that they are sold by mistake as Baltic Blue epipremnum? Or are they the same plant? I saw on another video that the green variety was less common but this doesn’t make sense to me. Does anyone know about this?
My cebu blue didn't do much for me as well, I just chopped it a few days ago, and once it roots I'm leaving it outdoors to grow faster and get the mature splits quicker. I'll admit that one really did disappoint me, had it for 5 months and I got it to attach to a plank and even with all that the leaves somehow grew smaller and smaller in size. I knew it wasn't the light because the internodes even got shorter. I have green epipremnum pinnatum cuttings that will take its place for now, and I've got an epipremnum mint that's also starting to attach to its plank. I'm eyeing the epipremnum marble "king" now, when it has good genes it's basically an inverted monstera thai constellation. It's much more visually appealing to me than any other variegated monstera and epipremnum. I'm loving this ongoing series An addition: I've seen mature cebu blues go both green and completely silver, I'm not sure what the deal with that is. The one Sydney Plant Guy has went green on him, but I've also seen pictures and one in person of a mature one where they don't even look blue, they're just fully silver, like a silver sword but less dull and more reflective. I wanted my plant to end up like the latter, but man I don't know...
Love my Cebu! It needs a lot less light than you think to get that blue hue.
Ohhh interesting, I always assumed it needed more light to be "bluer" might try one of mine in slightly lower light 😊👌 thanks for the tip 🙌💚🌿
Hey Memo! I am a HUGE Epipremnum fanatic, i actually find it quite odd that you have struggled so much with your cebu blue, I live in South Africa and mine are growing like crazy, I have every single variant i could find both on a moss pole aswell as in a hanging pot, my cebu blue probably being one of the easiest in my experience, the moss poles definitely help a ton tho. The only variant that i tend to have some trouble with is my Epipremnum pinnatum 'skeleton key' its just been a really fussy plant ober the past year ive had it and is very unforgiving when it comes to overwatering. I think your issues as you've suggested, might be because of the fact that they are growing in PON, I've found that they actually really don't need as much water as one would think, I leave mine to dry out almost completely before I water them again and they have been growing like crazy, I get up to 6 leaves a month during the growing season. Would definitely suggest you move them to a airoid mix and im sure they will take off like crazy for you! Also yes with your confusion in the beginning, cebu blue is indeed Epipremnum pinnatum👌
Hi Memo, I love the Cebu Blue, but here in the States it’s sold in big box as a bushy hanging basket. Probably should try growing it up a moss pole. 💚
Nice video. I’m surprised at the scores. I was interested in getting a variegated pinatum, but other than the splits in the leaf, my marble/snow Queen looks much more impressive.
Thanks for the review!
Love that shirt!
Hey Richard, aww glad you enjoyed and thanks for the shirt 😊 yeah I think based on other people's reviews down below I am definately in the minority on my scores 😅🤷🏻 maybe it's my care of it. But yeah I would agree marble queen and snow queen are more impressive 😅💚🌿
Really great video!! I’m a big fan of epipremnum and I have to say the cebu blue is one of my top 3 favourite plants ever. I’m a big fan of the leaf colour, and I actually find it much faster than any of my other pothos, including the golden! I’m in zone 5b for growing, so we get pretty cold and dark winters and even now it’s still pushing out a leaf every 1-2 weeks per vine! I originally had mine just on a stake support (coir mosspole) and I actually got some fenestration’s on some leaves after only having it as a rooted cutting for about 3-4 months. I do use a grow light on it, and I find it happy with that. I’ve only ever grown in soil and I would completely agree that the pinnatum prefers that. I also have a Baltic blue that I completely chopped and propped a few months ago, I had the cuttings in water for weeks without getting a single root but I decided just to pot them back into the soil with the very tiny mother plant I had left and they were all rooted to the point that I could give them a nice tug and not have them shift at all within 3 weeks. I would definitely recommend trying your cebu blue in soil and even just giving it a support stake might give it the tools it needs to grow better and maybe make you enjoy it as a part of your collection more! Thanks for another wonderful video!!!
Hey Memo, I agree the E Pinnatum variegated is a slower grower and mine is in an aroid mix but i have to say my leaves are gorgeous, I love the shape, little fenestrations coming in and feathering along the edges makes them really pretty. Maybe yours will grow on you once they get abit larger… 💚
Hey Memo. Yea, not giving these plants moss poles almost certainly the reason you’re experiencing such a slow rate of growth on these plants. They size up fast with a moss pole!
I love my Baltic blue! It grows great in household conditions and gets splits when it’s young. If you don’t have one check them out.
Just bought a variegated Pinnatum a few days back for only 12 euros 😁 (Netherlands). It's a decent size too and already has some fenestrations. I really like it!
I Love pinnatum! I have a Cebu, Varigata, Skeleton and Asian forms. I live in Melbourne Australia so we're sort of like you guys in the UK weatherwise at times and these plants grow great! The silver in the cebu and the variegated one are a bit slower here than what they'd grow like up in Queensland where it's more tropical, but in the summer they do grow quite a lot if you have and are quite thirsty plants over those 3 months. They are drought tolerant plants and like being a little dry between watering making them a super easy care plant. I've recently made cuttings of all of mine as they were going bananas and I couldn’t make more room to curl them back into thier pots! 🤣
The thing that bugs me about these is there's so many companies even here that sell Dragontail plants as Pinnatums despite there being an obvious difference between the plants, so if anyone is looking to buy one, inspect the plant carefully before you purchase! Pinnatums have holes in the leaves as they start getting ready to fenestrate where's the dragontail doesn't and splits it fenestrates quite differently too.
I’m so glad I came across your channel. I love it! ❤
Great timing Found this video while I was observing the new leaf on my variegata😂 !
The soil part resonates with me so much! I've been on a semi hydro kick and put my e. pin. albo props into it.
Hasn't done a single thing in close to 6 months. It's even under a growlight and REFUSING to do anything. I did get more roots. But foliage? PAH!
I've been thinking about putting it back into soil just to test. Gonna do that now 😁
Also I've killed two e. pin. albos through root rot. Crept into most of the stem incredibly quickly. Even after repotting into an airy mix and removing the coco coir as best as I could. Now I only have green bits left. The ones with white all exited life 🥲
I have a surprisingly different experience with Epipremnum pinnatum but maybe it's not that surprising considering the two types I have, you dont. And I have very different experiences with both as well.
Last spring I bought a cheap and unlabelled very dark blue plant from a Paris' unusual plant shop. I am now pretty confident it's the same plant as the early "blue form" or the more recent Costa Farm's "Baltic Blue" so I usually call it my Baltic Blue. I bought it as a small trailing plant, and even some smallest 2-£cm leaves had random fenestrations. I put it up a dry cork bark pole and at the end of the summer I had a 1m high plant with 15cm leaves with several fenestration. It's the easier and faster "maturation" of an aroid I did and definitly my fastest growing plant, way faster than my Golden Pothos. I will chop and extend and I hope to have huge pinnatified dark leaves next fall.
The other one is a Skeleton Key with a funny story. In september 2021 I meet a girl for a plant swap and she proposed some free plants that she was bored of. one of them was a very small SK propagation. I declined but told another friend that this person was giving some of her wishlist plants for free. In november 2022 I met that friend because we bought seeds together. And she offered to me a plant she was bored of... guess what, it was the exactly same,very small SK propagation, in the same state a year later. I still have it, it,s healthy with a very large root system but it keep pushing 2cm leaves and killing it's older leaves. it's so slow it's not even leggy even after probably far more than a year of "propagation" and it's officially my slowest growing plant, slower than any cacti I have.
Hi, my Cebu Blue I have as just trailing so no mature leaves but it does grow like a weed and I have it hanging in a spot with no real direct light and the colour is really good. Only just got the variegated form (for £4) so I'm going to moss pole that one.
Love this video !! 😍
Love your opinions...very valid. Love your shirt!
Need want. Defo on my list but onkt with the immature leaves. So as much as I love it its low on my want list.
On a fun note I convinced myself I need a shelf in the front room so bought a pack of 3. So nearly have plant space hehe
Great video
Have fun
Oh, I just repotted my cebu blue in pon today before you posted this video :( , but I did give it a moss pole . I have some variegated cuttings as well from a swap last week, will root those and try an aroid mix
Great review. Thanks!
Thanks Carol glad you enjoyed 😊 💚 🌿
If given tropical conditions and aroid mix, pinnatum green and variegata grow fast when they are kinda established. When moved from a bright almost direct sun to deep dark indoor spaces, even a mature climbing fenestrated, split specimen will quickly devolve into a leafless runner mode (based on my mom's green pinnatum on a pole).
I don't like how the variegata is more easily shocked when repotted, and gets root rot. A variegated cutting of mine even randomly rotted after developing water roots in water. The white camoflauge variegations are actually very beautiful, better than njoy or marble queen pothos as it is a proper variegata pattern. If they ever produce an epi aureum albothat has patterns like pinnatum albo, then I would totally get that one.
In terms of juvenile form, the normal pothos feels and looks better, and does not devolve into a runner stem even in dark conditions. Pinnatum green sometimes has monstera peru-like bumps which kinda turn me off. From juvenile it takes around 5 or 6 months to get pinnates on the green, in a tropical setting (Philippines). Pinnatum green is also more pest tolerant than golden pothos in an outdoor setting.
I’m a no on Cebu blue too I have one but if it does there won’t be another. Love my Epi albo and my marble.
I have ep mint and ep marble
Hi Memo! Love your channel. What is your plant care app that you use? I have cebu blue which is a vigorous grower for me, also have marbled and albo version of ep. Pinatum
For some reason I have a very different experience with my cebu blue. I've got one in soil as a hanging basket and one in leca on a moss pole and they are both growing like a weed. I think I've lost a bit of interest in this plant because of how fast it grows. In my experience cebu blue loves leca, but only if it is warm (25C or higher).
Hi memo, love your videos from Canada here I have a plant that grows exactly like a Cebu blue shape, size everything but it’s a dark, dark green almost a jade shade. Any suggestions what that would be?
With easy pinnation? It's the "blue form" marketed as 'Baltic Blue' by Costa Farm. I have one also.
@@StalkerNaturaliste I also have a Baltic blue as well which has large leaves
You find them different? It's not a maturity difference between them?
Hmmmm interesting, did you get it from a major retailer or private seller? The reason I am asking is if it is a private seller it might have been sold to that private seller as a Cebu blue. Did you get it as a Cebu blue? Hey to Canada 👋 glad you are enjoying the videos 😊💚🌿
@@Houseplantygoodness now that I’ve watched you video I think it’s just a dark green EP thanks and yes love your videos I should make one on how I keep my 100 plants thriving in Northern Ontario Canada 🇨🇦 🤪
I have a those same three pinnatum as well! Love tham all! I bought the green one as a Baltic Blue but it’s pretty green, so I have always been confused about that. It pinnates rather quickly without any kind of pole or trellis, so I don’t know… could it be that they are sold by mistake as Baltic Blue epipremnum? Or are they the same plant? I saw on another video that the green variety was less common but this doesn’t make sense to me. Does anyone know about this?
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My cebu blue didn't do much for me as well, I just chopped it a few days ago, and once it roots I'm leaving it outdoors to grow faster and get the mature splits quicker. I'll admit that one really did disappoint me, had it for 5 months and I got it to attach to a plank and even with all that the leaves somehow grew smaller and smaller in size. I knew it wasn't the light because the internodes even got shorter. I have green epipremnum pinnatum cuttings that will take its place for now, and I've got an epipremnum mint that's also starting to attach to its plank. I'm eyeing the epipremnum marble "king" now, when it has good genes it's basically an inverted monstera thai constellation. It's much more visually appealing to me than any other variegated monstera and epipremnum. I'm loving this ongoing series
An addition: I've seen mature cebu blues go both green and completely silver, I'm not sure what the deal with that is. The one Sydney Plant Guy has went green on him, but I've also seen pictures and one in person of a mature one where they don't even look blue, they're just fully silver, like a silver sword but less dull and more reflective. I wanted my plant to end up like the latter, but man I don't know...