F1 2023 is COMPLETELY BROKEN in VR
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
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00:00 Introduction
00:03 Warning About F1 2023 in VR
01:36 Menu Control Scheme
02:20 Drive Assists
02:44 Graphics Settings
03:33 Focusing on VR, Visuals and Performance
04:08 A Horrible Game Introduction
05:50 Figuring Out Why The Tracking Wobbles
07:05 Short Drive Around Monaco
09:54 Impressions of the F1 Simulation
12:29 Trying Various Oculus ASW Modes
13:19 Video Mode Settings
14:52 Anti Aliasing Issues
15:22 Trying Another ASW Mode
15:15 Trying ASW on Auto
16:45 The VR Issues Are Well Known
17:16 This Should Not Be Labelled As VR
19:02 Short Drive around Spa
23:52 Conclusion
I haven't played a game published by EA in almost ten years. This is definitely not a good reintroduction. F1 2023 is completely broken in VR and should not be purchased with the intent of using virtual reality. 
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I thought something was wrong with my setup but it's just the game. It's like they didn't even test it sad because it seems fun.
Either that or their testers have these insanely rock solid VR legs and didn't notice LOL
Indeed, since I'm able to endure this badness for longer than most, the little time I had doing laps showed promise. A damn shame!
F1 22 was even worse. I played it like 5 min. Wasted money. I dont understand why Dirt 2.0 was great in VR and F1 is crap.
Dirt Rally 1.0 also has impeccable VR support although that one was Oculus-only and labelled as experimental. I own both of those they're great!
Hey, props to you for figuring out how to even get it to work as "intended" I can never manage to get that POV look inside the F1 cars. Instead the game just becomes another monitor inside my headset...
Is it possible your Steam Desktop Theater is kicking in for some inexplicable reason? It's nuts but it is possible.
Open the game's Steam properties and disable "Use desktop game theater when SteamVR is active".
Let me know if that actually solves it, I'm curious. I would be a little mad if it did, because desktop game theater always tries to kick in when you don't want it. Useless feature.
You have to start the game in the VR room. Then it works. I made the mistake lunching the VR and then started the game on my home steam. So I got every time a fault as 101 or 108 etc. Like I said, start VR and wait until you are in the VR room, your library shows the games. Lunch it from there and done
IT'S TERRIBLE TO SEE THAT IN 2024 THE GAME IS STILL NOT OPTIMIZED FOR VR, YOU CAN'T SET THE WORLD SCALE WHICH IS UNACCEPTABLE FOR ME
PC`s processors aren´t suitable to run VR games. I told this a few times allready.
this is not true . except for all f1 vr series the games are fully playable of course you have to have the cpu and gpu for it i have 9900k and in vr games it is maxed out at 50% except msfs 2020
@@misoswan1087 What i mean is: It will all break. You have 1 year left to use any VR-feaures on PC. Then it will completely stop working.
Steam has had Vr-issues for years now. Cannot be fixed. They get worse over time.
Until it completely stops working.
Even company´s VR/AR-Inputs will soon break. No matter which VR-glases/AR-glasses/features you use. It will all break. Including Microphone-inputs and Camera-inputs (Since they are also VR-like Input).
@@user-in3br2qs8x where did you read that vr stops working on pc? You mean
old vr's that use old software ? like wmr? as far as i know vr is supposed to be compact with xbox , asus is supposed to release new vr , pimax and other vr . if you think vr is ending you are wrong. If you mean that the software is breaking, I have
I've only had good experience with vr for 12 years and in the time I've been using vr I haven't had a single vr go bad and I'm
I've been using one vr for 4 years and I still have it
@@misoswan1087 ALL VR-software will break, yes, no matter if it´s more modern or old. There are no exceptions. You cannot read that. i predicted that. I calculated that (mathematic, complex, but easy enough to understand calculations, i call it the "4-year rule"). I know exactly how they create modern porcessors. What latencies they have (how these are making your software slowly become unstable) and how slow bandwdith they use in modern processors (slow bandwidth makes modern processors worse in internet-tasks more and more each year).
Modern processors simply aren´t suitable for this task. Which is why more and more people on Steam complain that their VR has stopped working as well.
This is just the beginning though (i call it "Phase 3" = User starts to notice there is an issue he/she cannot fix).
If other companies will release VR-glasses that just means these will break/stop working too.
This issue is not just valid for VR. But all microphone and Cameras will stop working too. And any other form of peripheral inputs as well. As they have the same issues. Meaning: Running on processors, not made to run them for a long time.
"I've been using one vr for 4 years and I still have it"
Yes. But that doesn´t mean it will work forever. Because NOTHING can work forever.
Even the most powerful processors (which AMD/Intel no longer produce btw) cannot run VR-software forever. There comes a time when any sofware breaks.
I calculated this time is exactly ~4.5 years. See? Above 4-year-rule. 4x 11 (*2) = 88%. 88% Dark Silicon. 88% Dark Silicon after 4 years of using your processor means your processor can only run ~12% of its transistors at once, as 88% of transistors have to be switched off. Which makes this issue start showing.
Just have a look at how much stuff is broken in Windows 11 now or on Steam in general...why do you think Windows 11 is the biggest Windows-flop since centuries?
It´s the exact same principle.
for me it's the opposite: the VR menu is standing still in place, while the VR world is shaking like hell if I move my head 😞is there a solution for this?????????????
That may well be because you're managing to fixate on the menu, making it seem like the background is shaking. Honestly from my tests, everything is shaking, it's really sad. There is unfortunately no known fix at the moment.
I have question for you before i buy but is can be passible the F1 2022 is better in VR than 2023 ? i just like so badly the f1 cames and i wanna pl in VR so the oldervan is can be paasible is betetr in vr or you dont have experian with that ? actualy for my setup the Automobilista 2 is very beauty.
I have read reports that F1 2022 has the exact same problem. My nephew loves the F1 series too and he tried VR with 2022 and he said it was shaking like crazy just like 2023 did for me.
@@Stereo3DProductions thnx ! So ithink i will forget to buy the f1 24 XD to expensive just for try maybe xd
For me F1 22 is much better in VR. F1 23's performance is horrible but the graphics are not better at all, they are actually worse because of the more aggressive sharpening and shitty SDR implementation, and a lot more bugs than 22. I have a 3080 Ti with a Quest3, and in 22 I'm able to run it in native resolution with 72 fps on the LOWEST settings, but in 23 the same settings results in like 50 fps. So I have to use the dynamic resolution, luckily that works really well, but the game is already blurry because of TAA, so you will never have a sharp and clean image like Automobilista 2 with MSAA. (This is also a problem in 2D too with recent F1 games) Oh and in both 22 and 23 has the same bug, when you try the anti-aliasing options to see which is looking less blurry, if one of them has sharpening, then this super aggressive sharpening remains on the image, ruining the picture so you have to restart the game for every single setting to see how it really looks! But use the normal TAA, with dynamic resolution scaling, looks better than DLSS. I didn't had spacewarp problems with the games, probably because I disabled it both in Virtual Desktop and the Oculus Debug Tool. It's a shame 23 is running crap and looks crap because it has great FFB. But overall 22 is much more enjoyable to me in VR. Hopefully in 24 they will fix the image quality and keep the good FFB, so when I get an RTX 5080 or something I might enjoy playing with that.
quest 3 eh? thought about getting one but decided to order bigscreen beyond instead. arriving this week.
I have bad wobble too. Don’t how a 3090gtx, 64gb of ddr5, and ryzen 7 cant shore up the resource demand so I’m guessing it’s just really poor motion smoothing or something
Yep, it has nothing to do with performance. As you see in this video fpsVR shows the game is actually running very, very well. It's just wobbly as fuck because the devs don't know how to implement VR. The issue is timewarp related rather than motion smoothing related.
When I’m on track it’s a great experience tbh but in menus and in the pitbox the fps and wobble is awful
Even on track it's wretched awful. A few people here seem indifferent to horrible VR.
If it's wobbly in the menus, it's wobbly everywhere at all times, just it's worse in the menus.
Bottom line is it always, 100% of the time, in and out of menus, feels like someone else is moving your head.
There is no "Head Movements" settings? Most sims have this setting, maybe there is a way to disable head movements.
That's not the problem. You want head movements, but you want *correct* head movements that match your real movements. Turning them off completely would actually make it much worse.
it seems these racing simulators are just never really made with vr in mind. i still remember trying to play project cars 1 in vr back on the vive with a 1080ti, and it running like crap.
dirt rally worked really well though, seems they bothered to actually make the vr support work for that game.
It's the opposite actually. So far vehicle sims with VR have done pretty well. Yeah pCars 1 was a bit ahead of its time, but it still delivered 10x more than F1 23 can. This is why I was so shocked while making this video. It's hard to screw up this bad and I haven't seen anything like it!
I had the exact same experience with PC in 2016 .
Now it runs as smooth as butter , technology is 👍
AMS2 is also amazing.
pCars 2 is great but the UI has so many bugs it can make you wan t to ragequit over getting stuck in menus.
iRacing is also a sweetheart of VR driving sims.
This is why this piece of trash really took me by surprise. I can overshoot ACC to ludicrous detail and resolutions until it tanks at 25fps, and it still provides smoother head tracking than F1 23. F1 23 is there dropping literally zero frames and yet running like garbage.
Try Asetto Corsa 2014. It is the best racing for VR till now.
I intrested about what kind a GPU and CPU do you have ? with this game ?
9900k with RTX 2080 Ti in this video.
Now I have a RTX 4080.
automobilista 2 is probably the best racing title in VR for pc
Agree AM2 is like pCars but with better content and 100% less bugs, I love it.
Not to take this off topic, but I eagerly await your video on Praydog's UEVR mod.
I assume you will have alot to talk about.
I'll need a moment before I get to that. I think I have a candidate game for a first shot, but it took me a while to come up with it. I kind of realize I do not have very many UE4 games. I'll throw What Remains of Edith Finch at it and see what happens.
@@Stereo3DProductions I know it's crazy, 11000 potential games is pretty overwhelming.
I just found out House of the dead Scarlett and Sega World Drivers Championship .
Unreleased arcade games played via an emulator work in VR..
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so i had the same issue with AMS2, and found out i can get in the steam vr or oculus vr file from AMS and i changed two values... BAM!!!! i have a much clear view and now im ready to bump the res on oculas =}
I tried finding this in F1 and i ddint find that file but i also didn't stay looking
I didn't have this issue with AMS2 myself. The F1 issue isn't clarity, the view is shaky as all hell, as if VR timewarp were turned off.
@Stereo3DProductions lol not mine, F1 dosnt head bang or shake as if the ERS is pumping voltage to the driver lol, mine has been since day one VR clarity, same thing with AMS2 until I found a video that show just two values in the games file. Been running AMS2 since I got home to test all resolutions and graphics setting.
Super loving how it performs, we need to pick on EA or code masters to fix this VR because even tho AMS2 has all the tracks and some formula cars.
I do like how the physics and FFB is in F1 23's for F1 cars 😅
Usually I blame my setup or my settings but when I saw the quality and head moves being REAAAALLLLY jerky, I was sure for the first time a game sucks in VR.
PS: Game is great otherwise and works perfect with a good wheel.
I think that's the most disappointing thing: Here we have this seemingly fun, quality simulation and I can't use it because of this broken ass VR 😂
Is it still a problem. On sale 75% now, but that shaky i dint know if it's worth even that unless they fixed it?
Look, they had this issue in F1 22, and it's been in F1 23 for almost a year up until I tried it. I feel very safe in saying it is still guaranteed not to be resolved. The way it's been going so far, I *expect* them to ignore it. The devs do not care.
This problem can never be fixed. Typical PC-issue! It´s a processor-issue. It cannot be fixed.
I tried to get my money back from steam for that same reason.
I got denied cause I played over x amount of hours 😞.
Is to bad cause I like the game, I do have triples setup. I prefer to drive in VR.
The way i made it playable enough for me and made me play 80hrs was to tweak all the settings and resolution so it gets full 90 fps that matches the refresh rate of my pico 4 (but no DLSS, its garbage (only TAA)). With that the stutter becomes less.
Another solution is trying to use open composite instead of steam vr. Unfortunately its not running with my pico 4, but maybe your meta quest can run with it gaining some performance.
I am still pissed because I lost 10hrs of my life trying to fix it because of codemasters. I thought my setup is crap 😂
i have this game pre-ordered specialy for VR with opencomposite in mind...but the game wasn;t supportet many monts. I don;t know whats the status now
Yep I think you were not alone fighting this losing battle, it's my nephew who first found this issue and he too wasted a lot of time because Codemaster's VR support gaslights you into thinking it's your setup's fault LOL
I bought F1 22 at release for VR and it was the most awful VR experience right next to Assetto Corsa Competizione. Wanted to buy F1 23 on super-sale now but seeing this, it is truly shameful that the game is being sold like it supports VR but is basically unplayable. Also looking at your footage, you are steering your wheel like you have 720 range, when in game it is 360.
Yep, I mentioned the steering issue at some point but I didn't have much interest in trying to fix it since the damn game was trying to simulate an earthquake in the VR headset. Big fat shame... I wanted to like this.
i loved your f-bomb rainstorm and also exposing this insanely bad implementation (which is false advertising, which is actually illegal). subscribed :D. even if you can avoid the stutters, which only happens if you're above headset refresh frequency, there is unavoidable head tracking lag which is incredibly nausea inducing
Normally my rainstorms are semi-controlled... this was a rare occasion where I was so much at a loss I just had to organically rage a bit. Thanks for coming by and enjoying the rage, very much appreciated!
good to see this video i belive my setup is just not enough good but now i think maybe the game is shitty ! I have ocolus 3 headset and my GPU is Radeon RX 6650 xd i think thats should be good for normal view i think.
How does Wreckfest perform in VR?
Wreckfest has VR support? I didn't even know... let me look into it.
PS: Oh nvm it doesn't support VR at all. Tragedy.
@Stereo3DProductions
It looks like it wouldn't take much work to make it support VR, as it has panoramic 1st person camera view. It might take some mods to fix the actual viewpoint to over the wheel rather than underneath & behind it. It definitely needs some headtracking program, but I think it already supports steering wheel rigs if you get the controls clicked in. Mods support as of late however, has *NOT* been kind, *even with Steam Workshop...*
Like IMAGINE if VR worked in this game... coulda been the best racing experience ever. i cant believe they refused to fix this... i would never stop playing it. you could just be in F1... imagine if they made it to where there were certain sections of the track you could sit in the crowd in vr... missed opportunities
just play assetto corsa in vr
They didn`t" refuse" to fix this. They smiply couldn´t fix it. Some bugs can never be fixed and remain in the game.
And some "fixed" bugs come back later again, sometimes even worse than the bug started.
Sorry, I just skipped through the bookmarks, did you say what video card and cpu you are running?
I think my fpsVR overlay shows it but I'm on a 9900K on a RTX 2080 Ti
The game didn't actually drop much frames if you look at my stats... I had room to increase settings, it's just the VR timewarp (which is meant to keep frames steady in your view) is erratic or completely absent.
@@Stereo3DProductions Apparently the 3d cache on those ryzen chips (5800x3D) makes a load of difference for frame timings in sims such as these. Might be time to upgrade.
No thanks... this is the only game that does this, it's most definitely broken. No GPU can save this. LOL
@@Stereo3DProductions I'm just saying I think it's more of a CPU problem than a GPU problem. 3D cache only seems to affect certain sim titles.
How old is the 9900 anyway?
Hate to quote Todd Howard but it may be time to upgrade 🤭
It's not a CPU or a GPU problem. I do not need an upgrade to counter broken VR in a game I won't buy.
Hate to quote myself but maybe you need to uhm watch the video 😊
This has been discussed for 2 years. The bug is that for both 22 and 23, there is a delay in the head tracking. The frame rate makes no difference. You notice it more in the garage with the UI because you move your head more. Codemasters hired a 3rd party to bolt on the VR implementation which is obviously broken but they decided not to fix it for 22 and just used the same bolt on for 23. They obviously don’t care. Presumably it will be the same for F1 24.
VR is broken in Steam as well. Has nothing to do with VR in this game being broken. It´s just VR breaking in general on PC.
And i predicted this to happpen! You can thank me later!
@@user-in3br2qs8x Works awesome through steam for both AMS2 and Assetto Corsa. F1 23 was shockingly broken.
Yeah it’s the same in F1 24 lmao
@@jumbojimbo706 Game doesn´t matter as it will soon no longer work in ANY game. Exception: Maybe singleplayer-games!
@@rudegolfswingdiva7501 Both AMS2 and Assetto Corsa are GPU-games. While "F1 23" is a cpu-game.
What pc was that on??
9900K @4.9GHz, 32GB DDR4-3200, RTX 2080 Ti
SAME ISSUE NO FIX HERE
It wobbles constantly I lowered everything it sorted it a little bit but then limits picture quality F1 22 was worse it needs sorting
Lowering everything does not help as this is not a performance issue. Sure it appears worse if you do put settings that make the game underperform, but good performance does not solve anything.
As you can see in my video the game is keeping up a perfect framerate and it's still absolutely unplayable. Feels like you have someone bumping into your headset from the outside at random.
I don’t know but my VR meta quest 2 is running very good. No hick ups or interruption. What I noted, the shifting is very accurate on the VR compared to the normal monitor gaming. I have on the up shifting 1 sec or so delay. I was thinking it was the steering wheel and tried a fanatic CSL DD. Same problem. I think it’s the game. Doesn’t matter PS 4 or PC steam, with both systems I have the delay. Now I’m playing only VR, it’s the best ever for me.
Nonsense... I just bought f1 2023 and its absolutely crap quality for a supposedly premium game. Its even worse now than what this gentleman described.. After each race the VR screen would freeze on the car interior and on the PC monitor run the results and then the Steam Link would disconnect saying it needs to reconnect which you cant do without losing game progress so yeah it was a total waste buying F1 2023... quality is shite..
This dude said it ran well, then gave himself a thumbs up 😂
Can't even write fictional comedy this good
Bud I missed you!
Yoooo how's it been!
Same here. Had it with F1 2022 as well and hoped it was better in F1 2023 but hell no. Other racegames work fine, so indeed there must be something in the engine waay off. I turned all the graphicssetting to lowest and it was still there. Should not be on 3080Ti. Running on Virtual Desktop wireless or cable does not help. Wifi connection is ~2Gbit
Bud looks so young
LOL thanks
i wished i saw this videos i spent over 2 days mucking around the settings. maybe im expecting too much from the quest 3. its in my drawer and went back to my monitor setup for sim racing.
try iracing. try rfactor. monitor sim racing is like driving with blinders on.
the quest 3 is the best VR headset of all time. what a shame!
Em this isn't Quest 3 fault. Play Assetto Corsa.
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