If You Could Change ONE Thing? - Education in America w/ Neil DeGrasse Tyson
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- In this short clip, Patrick Bet-David asks Neil DeGrasse Tyson what's the #1 thing you would change about the education system in America today?
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Our English teacher always said "you can't eat your grades". When it was end of year and we were curious what our grades were he would ask us "What do you think you earned?"....then he'd let us haggle lmao.
Very cool teacher, kept the whole class engaged and was one of the first in my experience to lead a critique on grades and the temporary period known as High school.
We underestimate persistence and passion for something. They can both get you far and allot of times excel you passed someone “smarter” than you.
Very true
Nicholas what you said is exactly very true brother
He also had a 'mentor' of sorts in the form of Carl Sagan who encouraged and supported him. I can only imagine how much, much more I would move on with someone like him!
Neil is right, grades are so inflated that they’re meaningless now.
As a teacher, I couldn’t agree more.
@@robynology101 You need some type of measure
I hated it when I would Ace the quizzes, midterms, finals but since I didn’t put much effort into a cardboard display or some booklet project I would get a B- but the students who would get B or C in all the “big” tests but did dozen of extra credit and put on a flashy cardboard display got an A+ but when it came to the AP exams or state exams I’d score far higher.
Grades record the students who excel in school, but success in school has nothing to do with success in life.
@@blindbeatzz There are so many was to measure progress and assess what’s been learned aside from basic numerical scoring.
Schools need to teach kids things we do in everyday living. Opening a bank account, making a budget, making a shopping list, filling taxes, filling out a job application, etc. We don't need to know how to start a bunson burner
No there parents and family should show them that. Schools should teach stuff that you cant easily learn at home
@@johnconnors6412 I mean I work for a bank and the adults don't know anything either
I agree! I would also add teaching young men how to deal with pressure, stress and hard times, learn how to fight. Teach young women how to be feminine, how to cook and the dangers of being promiscuous.
@@jameshumphries5059 I mean with the woke nature of our schools, demasculinization of men, the break down of the core family I think those days are over
@@t206kid - They are over as are what the things you said unfortunately
He went to Bronx Science, got into Harvard, and got his PHD from Columbia. While I agree in general that too much emphasis is put on GPA/Grades, it's not like he did poorly in that regard.
Yea but the point is for every Neil dregrasse Tyson that made it there are like 10 that didn’t. The point went over your head.
We really need to make it so for education that for every 10 Neil Tyson that didn't make it through, there are 0 that made it through
@@MOMO-m0m0 lol
@@MOMO-m0m0 that's not true. I understand that grades our important in our society but being a B student in the best colleges and high school in the country puts you very far ahead in our society. There aren't many people in this position in society who actually end up doing poorly in life.
Neil is very right, There is more to life than just ''good grade"
I was never a good student growing up. I went to college and did pretty mediocre. When I finished school I realized that most of what I had done was waste learning opportunities. I worked hard after college and went into IT. I do really great now as a Senior Project Manager.
However, I feel that if school was geared more towards learning vs cramming for grades, it would be a more rewarding experience. Pass/Fail should become more of the standard. The tests should examine what we learned and how we apply it critically, vs pushing us into route memorization.
I had been racking my mind with various ideas on how to fix school, when I finally came across a treatise called "The Six Lesson Schoolteacher".
It hit me in the gut so hard because of its piercing and brutal honesty about how school really works, what it's meant to do, and where it came from. Written by New York City and Syate best teacher award-winner, John Taylor Gatto.
Encourage kids and students to ask questions and figure out the answers for themselves. Don't just deliver them.
It's no longer about what you know, but who you know, and how well you follow their beliefs.
It has always been about who you know
@Scott There is an extra step now, "you must also follow their beliefs, and only their beliefs ." This wasn't the case back then, or not nearly as prevalent.
Finally something correct Neil said in this interview I always average at Bs my SAT sucked but I was great at certain subjects was captain of my Robotics team and a multi sport seasonal student athlete I can’t stand grading students on just test scores that’s pure bs
As a science educator of over 20 years, I never judged my students by the grades they had in my class. My AP class was open to all students who wanted to learn about environmental science regardless of their grades.
2023 is coming together good already , this Tyson guy having a sensible, interesting and not so self absorbed conversations
Teachers have got 20 plus kids in front of them, with all kinds of (often competing) personal issues talents wants and needs. They arent just focussed on grades, they are focussed on lots of things.
I agree. I think teaching should be looked at from a scientific perspective. Because there are too many children's all with different personalities and sutch.
sure but that is so far past were this would need to be addressed. structurally we need to shift our system away from grades as a metric of success
I am in education, a 95 today is a 75 in 1980 plus now, no independent thinking about how to do things. Kids can’t figure out things, college is a waste, plus special education is killing everything, instruction has gone into mediocrity, teach to lowest common denominator. Not all kids should be in school getting a meaningless diploma, some kids who hate school are wasting very ones time, send to vocational school.
Your absolutely right. I have a nephew who is a talented mechanic, but going to university would be a waste of time and a setback for hm. Instead he got a job which helped him get certification for various repairs, then went to trade school. This attitude that everyone should go to university seems to have ulterior motives. After all it’s easier to control the masses if they’ve been subjected to five years of propaganda. I work in a university and in the time I’ve been there the enrollment has more then doubled, yet my work load has slowed as if enrollment was cut in half. Kids don’t know how to do research, I’m not even sure how many of them know how to use the libraries catalog, but the university blows tons of money on distractions which only get in the way of learning.
Since the introduction of compulsory schooling in the US, people have gotten less and less educated. There was a departure from that trend with STEM in the US after the Sputnik scare, but reading, English, geography, history, writing, foreign languages, and arts continued to decline on a pretty steady trend line from 1896-present.
They purged the classically-educated professors incrementally because of the nature of conformity and lack of high quality professors the more the system replicated itself.
My question to you is since there is grade inflation and teaching is to the lowest denominator - where is the vocational school programs you say we should send these poor academic performers? It seems that the emphasis is for all the increase of AP programs in high schools. Degrasse- Tyson is talking about the overemphasis of grades but it just seems that its getting worse. How can we make public education focus on the whole learner? We seem to be throwing a lot of money at it and its not getting better.
@@Ninariley2003 Public schooling is hybrid of the following:
1. Prussian model reform movement so Germany could defeat the French
2. Conformity training to achieve #1
3. Covert religious and political medium envisioned by John Dewey
4. Jobs program for unionized teachers
Notice the lack of emphasis on individual education. The best thing we can do relative to public schooling is keep kids out of it, teach them at home, and exert more oversight on school boards.
Neil is correct .. excellent observation of real human value
Society doesn’t function if everyone aims to be in the top 1%. We need people to do ‘ordinary’ jobs that nevertheless keep society functioning. Who were some of THE most important people during the pandemic? Shop staff, delivery drivers, cleaners, etc. I NEVER look down on those people they are ESSENTIAL and we need them to be treated as such. Not everyone can be an astrophysicist.
This is how education was presented when I was in primary school in a 3rd world country . I was appalled when I came to the USA at how poorly taught and how ignorant the teachers were .
Until our culture changes to prioritize and monetize teachers, we'll never get those processes that help analyze the student as a whole.
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I was directly discouraged from going to college by peers and teachers b/c of my grades. Only my guidance counselor begged me to apply. I made it to college late b/c I was convinced they were right. A whole master’s degree later, Neil is right. Grades mean shit
Thank you everyone for this wonderful opportunity to listen to actual interaction, again thank you everybody who madevthis video possible.
Teach critical thinking and problem solving.
Grades just tell you how you do on assignments and tests. Good grades don't equate unique or enlightened thinkers. If you get a good grade it just means you remembered what you were told. It doesn't ignite original thinking.
I agree. I made the comment on this video regarding the problem in South Korea and now having so much problems today:
"I felt that the biggest irony shows the disparity of of entrepreneurship of North Koreans including black markets & South Korea lack of Entrepreneurship because North Korea does not judge grade (ironically with Kim Worship while you can fail all courses) in contrast to South Korea that emphasize so much."
As a Korean Canadian, many diasporas & I are very disappointed & furious at asinine decision by South Korean society for making the system worse.
There still needs some sort of baseline knowledge of reading writing a math. There’s no way we advance as a society with everyone having a lot passion that can’t read / write and add 2+2.
I don’t think Neil ever said that it shouldn’t be any baseline knowledge. I mean, learning how to read and doing basic arithmetic doesn’t even require a GED. People come to America with no education from third world countries and start successful businesses. He’s just saying that GPA,s shouldn’t just be the determining factor to measure if a person is granted opportunities that cater to their interests.
Corporations hold many people back from being innovative. It isn't the best idea that wins but the best sales pitch. I had to get out to start two successful small businesses. I had been rejected by two universities for their MBA programs.
The classes and curriculum are not evenly distributed to use grade averaging to have any significant meaning.
I think what Neil said is an important thing to consider.
A scholastic grading system is an important tool to be able to evaluate whether students are performing to a certain standard; but it's on its own, it doesn't serve as an adequate predictor of future success.
I never liked school, it felt like a prison.
A different kind of school might have been good for you though
I have to totally agree with Neil.
Schools need to also teach how to manage money.
I absolutely agree of this! Grades are only one measurement of a much larger pie chart. And the rest of the pie has more significance on the life the environment, but everything that the student will eventually grow up into. They’re both important, but I wish there was more value on all the stuff that aren’t a part of the grade.
NDT is my hero. In reference to his comments regarding educational systems identifying wunderkind, I believe he's pointing out that it's not likely to ever happen. The academic mind doesn't typically comprehend nor allow for creative thinking; if anything, it's the opposite, attempting to force round pegs into round holes, otherwise discarding them. It's akin to accountants vs. artists; there's not much comprehension or bleed-over between the mindsets, to begin with. Academia is built around a foundation that fights and suppresses creativity and tends to treat it as a virus rather than an asset, or as a valid alternative to their pigeonholing methodologies. Personally, I don't see this ever being cured, but Dr. Tyson's lucid descriptions of the phenom are more than helpful for those who raise children suffering from this predicament.
Drive and grit are the most important traits. Need to find those.
I was in 6th grade and my english teacher said I needed to be in her advance class. I wasn't making all A's but she knew I could do the work. Phone call to my parents and following week I was in all of the advance classes. Grades do have a purpose, but it shouldn't be the only thing that matters
Same here! But, different times. My 6th grade teacher back in 56? 57? wrote on the final report card .. 'Joe must go to high school and college'. We were poor. My mother and I were astonished. It worked. I still have that report card and my nephew has it now.
4:00 - 4:35. One very important thing is that parents are involved, are questioning and helping their kids, and attend school-sponsored events and ... more than, very unfortunately side-stepped by other pursuits that they must do such as long hour jobs, fatigued due to work, who worry where the next monthly pay check/monthly mortgage - apartment rent/ food will come from, who may have come from poor education backgrounds, etc. and .... you get the picture. Still, it's possible. It's going to be hard as hell but possible. I grew up in a very poor environment, my mother could barely read/write/speak English so very little support ... but NOT by her fault. But, I had incredible caring, nurturing, helpful teachers in grade school and encouraged me and instilled a love of reading, books, writing.
However, it's not so much today. With the 'miracle' of technology, with so much public violence, forlorn kids who are sad, depressed, lonely, afraid, etc. it's very difficult for them.
I'm sorry to say it's not education but the CULTURE thats needs to be changed in America
What a great conversation. The whole education system needs an overhaul
Life skills. Critical thinking, reading books, debating multiple positions on a topic, scientific method, streaming by aptitude and ability where possible, broad basic curriculum for everyone especially in poor areas who need hope to improve their situation. Keep politics out of the classroom. Equality of opportunity NOT affirmative action.
first thing that needs to change... is getting the reading level from 4 grade to at least a 6th grade level on average...this would help so more in education...
The top three graduates at my high school are now 1) a double specialist physician and med school professor at U of Michigan, 2) a surgeon with several dozen peer reviewed publications, and 3) a successful local pediatric dentist.
My individual experi3nce makes it hard to swallow the "abolish grades" argument (I recognize he isn't necessarily saying abolish grades by the end of this but he was leaning that way early in the conversation).
The valedictorian at my school ended up getting kicked out of college unless he agreed to a psychological evaluation exam. He refused and worked his whole life at a nursing home. Probably a good example for someone just chasing the grades with what Neil describes.
I have a four year old who I can already tell has zero interest in being a "teacher pleaser" and getting straight A's. And yet, I have the strong suspicion that he's going to be incredibly successful someday (be it in business, politics, etc.). The balance is figuring out how to parent him in a way that encourages exploration, while maintaining some semblence of respect for tradition and order and processes. BTW, I have no clue how that's done yet.. lol
when you do let me know because I am raising a similar kid, when Neil said that his teacher said he is too busy socializing instead of focusing on Academics I laughed because that is the exact comment I got for my kindergardner. she gets bored quickly and would rather make friends than sit still and listen
What if the order and processes will rob him of his drive and opportunities to achieve the best version and vision of himself?
@@ayanomar1408 School: A great place to learn social skills.
Also: "Stop socializing!"
@@LRRPFco52 Honestly I had to remind her teacher that as much as we all would like kids that work like a remote switch m. it is simply impossible to expext a 5 year old to just be still for 6 hours a day
@@ayanomar1408 Absolutely. Kids and adults need motion. Requiring sedentary behavior, especially during the first hours of the day, is not healthy. It's based on the limits of information distribution in the late 1700s and early 1800s classroom models that were pioneered with the Prussian Reforms.
We are so far ahead of that, it never made sense in the US to bring the Prussian classroom here, but that's exactly what happened.
Horace Mann brought it to Massachusetts, and John Dewey spread it like a cancer across the US.
Kindergarten was started by Fredrick Fröbel to compensate for the loss of his mother and neglect from his father, but was based around playing outside and some hands-on developmental playing with shapes and blocks.
It was turned into just another classroom model containing kids indoors. I've yet to meet a kindergarten teacher in the US that knows what kindergarten is supposed to be.
My 3 younger kids have never seen the inside of a classroom. The youngest of the 3 had already read 1000 books by age 6, just taking them to the library every week. His sisters have read more.
As a med student sometimes your grades are the best way to evaluate your competence. Some carrer paths just need these types of systems but others do not. This is especially important when human beigns life is at risk. Another examples that come to mind are airline pilots, nurses, and engineer.
I used to fail Math in school when i went to Varsity i was always in the Top 10. students just need to find the right teacher. Everything was an Aha moment, take students that didn't do well let them do medicine they might surprise you. Everyone is a genius they just need to find a way to unlock it
There were people in my class that excelled during didactic class but when it came to clinicals they operated as if they had 2 left hands, 2 left foot and inverted eyes. Simply being able to get a high grade is not the only standard it's a fact to be evaluated yes, but not the sole answer.
grades become the appropriate metric for evaluating someone's aptitude and competency sure, but before you do that we need to be teaching kids how and more importantly why they should be passionate
Of course they are pupils unregognized. I am a teacher for music (not in america though). I love my Job and try to teach my subject with passion. On the other side I have 17 classes a week with around 25 students each I see once a week.. smaller classes would make a big differents. The most impact you have on them is outside the regular lessons in workshops they freely choose to do like "band", "choir", etc
School seems like it's a daycare and training place for the workforce. Go to school for almost 8 hours, and take a 30-minute lunch. Albeit there are some teachers that are legit there for kids to learn and enjoy teaching kids.
..your drive, your grit...your support systems
Bad grades are indicators of something else is going on. Average kids definitely flourish. Failing kids rarely flourish. Those are facts.
I agree with your evaluation. I wish there was a way for more personalized teaching. However, in defense of the teacher, he/she is stuck/committed to the system, which gives you 25-35 children in the class, most of whom are already traumatized from home, may not be "on grade level", and he/she is supposed to a) control the behavior of all 25-35 children/teens and b) make sure all (100%) of them make the standardized test grade. These are unreasonable expectations given there is not enough time, money, or resources. I wish I knew how to reconstruct the education machine to be better at meeting and nurturing individual talents and inclinations while at the same time teaching students how to be good citizens.
It’s easy.
Critical thinking skills development.
Ending religion by removing tax exemptions for it.
Done.
I’m a public school teacher. 20
Years and our education system is a joke. Here’s why: we try to educate EVERYONE instead of teaching the ones who actually want to learn. Not all kids should be taking math. Not all kids should be forced to take these ridiculous classes. They mentioned “bad” teachers too. Good luck trying to teach kids who are gangsters and have no parents at home, no food, no clothes. Rich kids may have have money but their parents are never home to engage. That’s neglect too. People live in fantasy land about education. Don’t talk to me about teaching unless you spend at least 5 years in a classroom Pat and Neal. Then tell me how to fix it. We would need a societal change and it’s not going to happen.
Great clip, I agree
Great answer.
But, I still thought he would say "One thing I would change is, I would listen more talk less".
shut up
Jordan Peterson says gpa is a measure of one's IQ but school/universities won't say that outloud.
Pls interview the Daniel Haqiqatjou and Mohammad Hjiab.
Well because resources are limited and there is gotta be a way to determine how to distribute resources. The problem is not that if a student are evaluated that they can do better they would get more resources, it is that the evaluation is not accurate. But the evaluation may never be perfect and standardized test is currently the most fair and equal way currently to evaluate people. You are just saying something is wrong (and yes something is wrong everyone can see that) but you don’t know how to fix it.
similar. state of NJ state college said i didn't have what is took to be in college (1975). two master degrees later...in the 1980's. and , then i got a community college degree for photography in 2019!
I felt that the biggest irony shows the disparity of of entrepreneurship of North Koreans including black markets & South Korea lack of Entrepreneurship because North Korea does not judge grade (ironically with Kim Worship while you can fail all courses) in contrast to South Korea that emphasize so much.
rly good clip. hard smart work pays
It seems counterintuitive, but Elementary schools have a better grading system than secondary schools. Once you start getting numerical grades for subjects, school becomes 5-6 “jobs.” Some you like and work hard at, others you live “paycheck to paycheck” trying to pass. Ultimately the secondary school system kills creativity, passion, and learning for learning’s sake. A
Remember being a teenager in school? Did you do the work you didn’t like if the teacher said it wasn’t being graded? It’s a whole system designed to make people become comfortable being worker bees.
We need smaller class sizes to give the necessary attention to each student.
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7:18 this is definitely a pushback which should be welcomed nonetheless.
It's also a textbook example of survivorship bias.
He will seldom hear the stories of those who had no encouragement and for which it didn't "work out".
The problem with the US education system goes beyond the obsession over grades. I have a kid who went to college last year and a junior in HS now and the whole GPA + college essay process is ridiculous. 18-year-olds having to prove how exceptional they are so they can continue learning. Since we are European, they are going to college in the Netherlands. Now, the system there also has issues, but:
- They don't care about your grades as long as you graduated
- You have to take an aptitude test to show you are suited for the degree you want to pursue and that this is a good fit for you
- Rather than pretend you saved the world by 18, they place far more value on kids who had jobs and made money whilst in high school. better preparation for life and to have less debt or place less burden on parents
The problem is that school is seen as the source of all good future things so all other activities and institutions are treated as unimportant so we end up with students who are well prepared for graduate school and not much else in life.
Someone needs to give Neil daGrasse Tyson a Thomas Sowell book. Enthusiasm is fine but its not a substitute for knowing the science. I work in a university and see how much money is wasted “build enthusiasm”, and all it does is raise tuition and distract from learning! Oh and many employers still look at gpa.
Sound butthurt
The public school system is plenty screwed up but he is once again seemingly clueless and naive about anything outside of his specific field of study. How tf is our education system supposed to quantify the factors of a child's life outside of the classroom, as he suggests? Furthermore, that suggests the school system should have ready access to that information in the first place... which they most certainly should not.
Administrative corruption, misguided, exorbitant spending, and the mentality of "no child left behind" are far bigger problems than the emphasis on grades based on a student's display of academic ability.
Yea they look at it and think I want this guy on my team,then they move on and couldn't care less 10 seconds after
My Change Would Be, Make Education Available to Everyone at a much less cost.
If i were to change one thing it would be senior year there are no classes the whole year is dedicated to finding a field of study they would be interested in.
How that would look like is every week students go into a different industry going over what the workforce of that industry does, seeing it as a field trip were we all get in busses and travel to see what people do. It gives students the opportunity to see what they could be interested in before going to college saving a bunch of time and money.
I like the idea. But, perhaps staring slowly as some summer school program that gradually introduces kids to said above beginning, let's say, end of 9th through 12th. Start for 2 or so weeks per year up to 8 or so. (I know, I know some kids would go ballistic, but why make it mandatory?)
@@josepha.r5839 School is already mandatory. Though coming back to this comment i could see how this wouldnt make sense logistically. Without proper insensitive from both sides this would never work.
Dope video. Love Neil
This deserve far more likes
I didnt get a very good grade on my test, I needed this 😂
I quit school in sr year and went back to night jr college to finish...Ive read many books, been self emp many times and would put my self- taught education against most of the college grads I know .... except those in the sciences but even those I can spell better than...lol....read read read....just like Elon said, you can have many degrees and still be a moron...or teach yourself and carry on...after all, except for labs, college is just a lot of reading....and today, students are pretty brainhosed...
More people in India need to watch this. The NEET and JEE are just too overrated. The coaching center i attend to crack the JEE hardly teach the NCERT, the most basic step of cracking any exam at all. They underestimate it's importance in down-to-the-root understanding of concepts. Weekend tests every week simply add to the tension, since the deadline for studying is tough for most. People simply mug up formulae and show up for the exam, forget everything the following week, and thus the cycle continues. At the end of the day, Sundar Pichai may have been an underdog back in the day, who just-passed the JEE and studied Metallurgical Engineering. Today, his job is completely unrelated to what he studied.
brilliant
The current education system promotes obedient employees rather than free thinking entrepreneurs and visionaries
Neil reminds me of the bar scene in Good Will Hunting.
Please have Johnny Harris on!
Never normally agree with Neil, but the school system stresses kids out and doesn't guide them being full filled and productive.
well said.
Neil arguing the benefits of homeschooling 😅. Homeschooling allows education with a focus on developing a love of learning. Education should not stop at the 12th grade... learning continues over the course of life.
Now I want to wrestle Neil. He's probably still good at it.
He went to one of the most prestigious high schools in NYC, I don’t believe what he said
Grading students on their enthusiam is really a bad idea. I say that because it is so subjective and wishy-washy. Besides - a student might have a test with 12 math problems and get all 12 questions answered correctly. (Replace math with any other subject such as History, Geography, etc). One student might be hyper enthusiastic but get half the answers wrong. Another student might not really care but answer all the questions correctly. Are we saying the enthusiastic student will get the higher marks?
He would wipe out his scandals about sexual harassment if he had a choice
The sad reality is, I bet the teachers didn’t even know his name
Niall DeGrasse Tyson could've been a MMA champ?! That's crazy.
Teach kids financial education. The education system in America does not support kids growth.
Well someone seemed to recognize, or how would he of gotten all these extra things?
Reduce class size. Pay teachers atleast enough to live on their own easily. You cant teach 25+ students. If we really want to educate we need to do those 2 things. Let the teachers teach.
Stop treating school like one size fits all.
Our society trains humans to be employees with little to no financial management skills. 🤷🏽♂️
There are things you just can’t teach in school, you experience in life.
Get rid of memorization thats usseles
Correction a dark room is where you go to jack it. Lol
"A person is so much more than the numerics of their GPA"
No slight intended, but how does one who was an “average” student that never had a teacher believe in him end up in the Bronx High School of Science?
only problem no way to teach all different ways.
What is wrong and needs to change is the disparity in resources. What kids get exposed to in education shouldn’t be correlated with the zipcode you live in.
THANK GOODNESS FOR YOU NEIL YOU'RE A TREMENDOUS INSPIRATION FOR HOW TO MAKE LEARNING FUN.
IF YOU RAN FOR PRESIDENT I VOTE FOR YOU!!!
End Standardized testing.
I Understand Neil, progress over grades. However, when you try to have a conversation with modern children right now their responses are limited to, "I don't know, I don't care". Everything they care about is TikTok and how to get the attention of their peers. There is no Social Emotional Development going on, and there is no social interaction among them. Thye can't be enthusiastic about school if they are not enthusiastic about their own lives...
I got get people, we love what Neil is saying. But then we hate participation trophies.
I had a 2.9 gpa in high school but now I have a better college gpa and degree than half the kids who had 4.0s.
He's advocating for a custom learning plan and you can't do that for 30 people in every class