Tom's audio pickup was suffering from testosterone poisoning. He was hard to hear. Carole was very clear. A good example of electronic-gender differences.
Surely the drive to cooperate as a make team is more influenced by another hormone, oxytocin. Oxytocin had been shown to create bonding with the "in group" and aggression towards an "outgroup". Presumably the two hormones oxytocin and testosterone work together, b or enhance/moderate the effects of each other. Perhaps research could focus on this interaction between the two.
Totally agree with Carol on transgender athlete. A transwoman does have advantage. From human rights issue, they should have rights to compete. From science, it is clear the transgender woman have advantage over those who are born with woman body parts.
In that case, what do you think if in the name of human rights, there should be a new category for transgender athlete? However unlikely the situation is, let's entertain this premise.
They already have the right to compete. Against other male bodied people. In a fair way. No one is stopping them from doing so except themselves and activists. Sport is about fair competition, not a way to validate your personal choice of how you wish to present yourself to the world.
It's interesting that many people talk about the human rights of people who were born male & went through male puberty to compete against women who were born female & went through female puberty, but no one mentions the human rights of the WOMEN to compete only against other females. Women fought for over a century to build their own sports, prisons, rape crisis centers, domestic violence shelters, etc., & now men who simply say they are women can come in & take over all of it. WHY DO "PROGRESSIVES" NEVER SAY A PEEP ABOUT THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF WOMEN?! Let trans people & their supporters build their own sports leagues & compete in their own categories, have their own prisons, etc.! Stop stealing everything from women! Women should not be sacrificed for the feels of men who believe they are women! SPORTS is not a "human right"; if you decide to transition (take hormones & have cosmetic surgery to more closely resemble the opposite sex), that's your choice, but it means you may have to give up other things, like competing in sports. I once read some great words of wisdom: "You can have anything you want; you just can't have EVERYTHING you want." You have to set priorities and sacrifice some goals to achieve others. Women couldn't compete in sports for ages b/c it was too dangerous for them to play against men. So they worked for decades to get Title IX & to get sex-segregated sports so THEY could compete. Let's figure out a way for trans athletes to compete that DOESN'T sacrifice women by increasing their risk of injury, causing them to lose scholarships, and setting women's rights back decades!! People have a human right to life, liberty, free speech, freedom of belief (religion), legally acquired property, safety, clean water, etc. In all those things, trans people have the same rights as everyone else. When rights conflict, however, society makes rules that benefit the most people. Corporate shareholders can make a lot more money if they are irresponsible with their waste & pollute the air & water, but that air & water belong to other people, too, so governments make laws & regulations to protect the majority (the public). You can make a profit, but NOT AT THE COST OF OTHERS! The same goes for worker safety. Employers can make a profit, but workers also have rights that must be protected from those who have the advantage (employers). So society sets up regulations to protect everyone, not just a small group of investors or business owners. We need to see this issue of men who want to be treated as women in the same way. Protect them from harm WHILE ALSO PROTECTING WOMEN FROM HARM!! Unless, of course, society doesn't care about women, which I am starting to believe is the case.
No they do not, especially when competing in sports have significant consequences and implications. If you are serious about equality, humanity, and fairness, you will not have trans men compete with women. What you said is equivalent to “you are racist if you fear for your safety when you walk alone in Harlem past midnight.”
Would like to hear her theories as to testosterone and how it affects a person's identity... WHY do some people with low testosterone that develop as female identify as male, vice/versa
I think that we go too far when we say it's an error and it's the "naturalistic fallacy" to approve of our inbuilt evolutionary tendencies. What I think we should say is that there is some kind of balance to be achieved, where our inbuilt tendencies have the harsh edges removed to whatever extent possible. But I think our nature will still need to be expressed, and in many cases it's there for a good reason. For example, if men prefer beautiful women as mates, should we say it's a naturalistic fallacy, and we men should force ourselves to select mates by other criteria? No, I don't think that society would be happy or functional in such an arrangement, and probably there are good, scientific reasons why men seek certain kinds of mates, and it's probably good for the species. To throw it out the window seems the type of mistake that extreme ideologues make, and I think it ends up backfiring (e.g. failed communist governments). I think the goal is to find a harmony or integration of our deep nature with the more complex parts of our brains (where we are trying to calculate questions of ethics and cultural ideals). It's a problem of integration, and I don't think there are ever going to be perfect solutions.
How much or are environmental factors influencing our hormones. And behaviour, development. Phyto, estrogens, plastic mimicking estrogens, pollution, the pill entering drinking water.....
I have been on testosterone replacement for 11 years. If my testosterone levels get low I become agitated and very argumentative. I am ready to go off and have violent thoughts often. If I keep my testosterone levels towards the upper end if the normal range. I feel happier and much more calm, nit aggressive at all. So her analysis on testosterone levels and aggressive behavior is completely opposite of my reality.
@@theylivewesleep4682 no it doesn’t. I ran 500mg a week for 3 months and I did not feel aggressive. My doctor retired and I found a new doctor that put me on 100mg a week and I felt agitated and tired. I could feel the aggression building. Found another doctors and she keeps me at the top end of normal range which is 150 mg a week. Happy days are here again.
@@nateperryshootingsports6201 yeah, not trt dosage for sure. I just wanted to see if I felt any better. I didn’t. My doctor now has me on 150 mg per week and my peak levels are around 900 and low of low 300’s. I definitely know when it’s time for my next shot
Hello, I think your experince is pretty interesting. If you wanna find out more or help in research on this topic, you should definitelly try to write Carol Hoover (or anybody else in the field of this study) an email. I believe that science need people like you who doesnt fall in certain category to help deepen the knowledge about the issue
Luminous interview, thank you both, specially Carole, for being so unbiased in her explanations, accepting Nature indications instead of fashionable agendas
Several conditions can cause this. Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia is when the adrenal gland in the fetus is overactive and produces too much testosterone. Girls born to mothers with PCOS are often also exposed to more androgens than usual.
Fireworks up butt is from too much CKY and Jackass. I can't say I never tried to put Fireworks on my Rollerblades to make me go faster. It didn't work the way I intended
I found it interesting how many times the host asks her what other positive things about testosterone there are. Men need their ego stroked so damn much.
That didn't happen. He had plenty of questions about the negative aspects of testosterone. Given that you blame the male host for the opinion of female guest. The only thing that this comment tells me is that you're really just a garden verity sexist.
What a pleasure it is to hear Carole Hooven. She is such a sharp mind and gives such articulate answers while retaining high standards of evidence.
Tom's audio pickup was suffering from testosterone poisoning. He was hard to hear. Carole was very clear. A good example of electronic-gender differences.
Surely the drive to cooperate as a make team is more influenced by another hormone, oxytocin.
Oxytocin had been shown to create bonding with the "in group" and aggression towards an "outgroup".
Presumably the two hormones oxytocin and testosterone work together, b or enhance/moderate the effects of each other.
Perhaps research could focus on this interaction between the two.
Whereof one does not know, thereof one must not speak.
Totally agree with Carol on transgender athlete. A transwoman does have advantage. From human rights issue, they should have rights to compete. From science, it is clear the transgender woman have advantage over those who are born with woman body parts.
In that case, what do you think if in the name of human rights, there should be a new category for transgender athlete? However unlikely the situation is, let's entertain this premise.
They do have the right to compete , against people of the same biological sex it really doesn't need to be anymore complex than that .
They already have the right to compete. Against other male bodied people. In a fair way. No one is stopping them from doing so except themselves and activists. Sport is about fair competition, not a way to validate your personal choice of how you wish to present yourself to the world.
It's interesting that many people talk about the human rights of people who were born male & went through male puberty to compete against women who were born female & went through female puberty, but no one mentions the human rights of the WOMEN to compete only against other females. Women fought for over a century to build their own sports, prisons, rape crisis centers, domestic violence shelters, etc., & now men who simply say they are women can come in & take over all of it. WHY DO "PROGRESSIVES" NEVER SAY A PEEP ABOUT THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF WOMEN?! Let trans people & their supporters build their own sports leagues & compete in their own categories, have their own prisons, etc.! Stop stealing everything from women! Women should not be sacrificed for the feels of men who believe they are women!
SPORTS is not a "human right"; if you decide to transition (take hormones & have cosmetic surgery to more closely resemble the opposite sex), that's your choice, but it means you may have to give up other things, like competing in sports. I once read some great words of wisdom: "You can have anything you want; you just can't have EVERYTHING you want." You have to set priorities and sacrifice some goals to achieve others. Women couldn't compete in sports for ages b/c it was too dangerous for them to play against men. So they worked for decades to get Title IX & to get sex-segregated sports so THEY could compete. Let's figure out a way for trans athletes to compete that DOESN'T sacrifice women by increasing their risk of injury, causing them to lose scholarships, and setting women's rights back decades!!
People have a human right to life, liberty, free speech, freedom of belief (religion), legally acquired property, safety, clean water, etc. In all those things, trans people have the same rights as everyone else. When rights conflict, however, society makes rules that benefit the most people. Corporate shareholders can make a lot more money if they are irresponsible with their waste & pollute the air & water, but that air & water belong to other people, too, so governments make laws & regulations to protect the majority (the public). You can make a profit, but NOT AT THE COST OF OTHERS! The same goes for worker safety. Employers can make a profit, but workers also have rights that must be protected from those who have the advantage (employers). So society sets up regulations to protect everyone, not just a small group of investors or business owners. We need to see this issue of men who want to be treated as women in the same way. Protect them from harm WHILE ALSO PROTECTING WOMEN FROM HARM!!
Unless, of course, society doesn't care about women, which I am starting to believe is the case.
No they do not, especially when competing in sports have significant consequences and implications. If you are serious about equality, humanity, and fairness, you will not have trans men compete with women. What you said is equivalent to “you are racist if you fear for your safety when you walk alone in Harlem past midnight.”
Would like to hear her theories as to testosterone and how it affects a person's identity... WHY do some people with low testosterone that develop as female identify as male, vice/versa
I think that we go too far when we say it's an error and it's the "naturalistic fallacy" to approve of our inbuilt evolutionary tendencies. What I think we should say is that there is some kind of balance to be achieved, where our inbuilt tendencies have the harsh edges removed to whatever extent possible. But I think our nature will still need to be expressed, and in many cases it's there for a good reason. For example, if men prefer beautiful women as mates, should we say it's a naturalistic fallacy, and we men should force ourselves to select mates by other criteria? No, I don't think that society would be happy or functional in such an arrangement, and probably there are good, scientific reasons why men seek certain kinds of mates, and it's probably good for the species. To throw it out the window seems the type of mistake that extreme ideologues make, and I think it ends up backfiring (e.g. failed communist governments). I think the goal is to find a harmony or integration of our deep nature with the more complex parts of our brains (where we are trying to calculate questions of ethics and cultural ideals). It's a problem of integration, and I don't think there are ever going to be perfect solutions.
Pretty insightful
How much or are environmental factors influencing our hormones.
And behaviour, development. Phyto, estrogens, plastic mimicking estrogens, pollution, the pill entering drinking water.....
I have been on testosterone replacement for 11 years. If my testosterone levels get low I become agitated and very argumentative. I am ready to go off and have violent thoughts often. If I keep my testosterone levels towards the upper end if the normal range. I feel happier and much more calm, nit aggressive at all. So her analysis on testosterone levels and aggressive behavior is completely opposite of my reality.
I see your point but once you get away from normal values, like say on steroids, then aggression does ramp up.
@@theylivewesleep4682 no it doesn’t. I ran 500mg a week for 3 months and I did not feel aggressive. My doctor retired and I found a new doctor that put me on 100mg a week and I felt agitated and tired. I could feel the aggression building. Found another doctors and she keeps me at the top end of normal range which is 150 mg a week. Happy days are here again.
@@jeffwalker1322 dam dude 500 a week is pretty spicy.
@@nateperryshootingsports6201 yeah, not trt dosage for sure. I just wanted to see if I felt any better. I didn’t. My doctor now has me on 150 mg per week and my peak levels are around 900 and low of low 300’s. I definitely know when it’s time for my next shot
Hello, I think your experince is pretty interesting. If you wanna find out more or help in research on this topic, you should definitelly try to write Carol Hoover (or anybody else in the field of this study) an email. I believe that science need people like you who doesnt fall in certain category to help deepen the knowledge about the issue
I wonder what she thinks about Lucy Cooke's new book..
Luminous interview, thank you both, specially Carole, for being so unbiased in her explanations, accepting Nature indications instead of fashionable agendas
"Our guest will explain why men shove fireworks up their arses."
I'm sure she appreciated that introduction. Makes getting a job at Harvard with it.
Fascinating ,where I can follow her findings ?
good chat. I have 1 Q - what mechanism causes females foeteses to be exposed to high levels of in utero testesterone?
Several conditions can cause this. Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia is when the adrenal gland in the fetus is overactive and produces too much testosterone. Girls born to mothers with PCOS are often also exposed to more androgens than usual.
@@DM-ql6ps thx for taking the time to reply. I wonder how they check testersterone levels in pregant women. Do they do it as a matter of course?
Fireworks up butt is from too much CKY and Jackass. I can't say I never tried to put Fireworks on my Rollerblades to make me go faster. It didn't work the way I intended
The difference in grip strength in men and women is very large.
Great talk, interesting
Dang she's smart.
She said . Women developed to recognize objects , shapes and sizes and how to locate them. That was funny.
I found it interesting how many times the host asks her what other positive things about testosterone there are.
Men need their ego stroked so damn much.
Really? I feel like both the positives and negatives were covered about equally in depth
That's because of the testosterone
Generalizing all men from the behaviour of one man?
Yes, and if you do it in the right way for the right one, they can be darn cute. You should try it sometimes.
That didn't happen. He had plenty of questions about the negative aspects of testosterone. Given that you blame the male host for the opinion of female guest. The only thing that this comment tells me is that you're really just a garden verity sexist.
Full of it. It's never this simple.
Testosterone reducing offspring hahhah