Dr. Robert Sapolsky: Science of Stress, Testosterone & Free Will
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- In this episode, I interview Dr. Robert Sapolsky, Ph.D., Professor of Biology, Neurology & Neurosurgery at Stanford University. We discuss stress, what defines short-term versus long-term stress, and how stress can be beneficial or detrimental, depending on the context. We also discuss stress mitigation and how our sense of control over stress mitigation techniques, including exercise, determine health outcomes. Dr. Sapolsky explains some of the key effects of the hormone testosterone - how it can amplify pre-existing tendencies for aggression or sexual behavior, but that it does not produce those behaviors per se. He also explains how testosterone impacts our social hierarchies, sense of confidence, and willingness to embrace challenges of different kinds. He also explains how our behaviors and perceptions shape testosterone levels. And we discuss estrogen and the powerful role it plays in brain development, health and longevity. Finally, we discuss free will, what it means to have free will, and if we have any free will, including how knowledge alone might allow us to make better decisions for ourselves and society.
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Introduction: Dr. Robert Sapolsky
00:02:26 Sponsors: Roka, InsideTracker
00:06:30 Stress: Short & Long-Term, Good & Bad
00:09:11 Valence & Amygdala
00:11:00 Testosterone: Common Myths vs. Actual Truths
00:15:15 Behaviors that Affect Testosterone
00:17:20 Mindsets & Contexts that Affect Testosterone
00:20:28 How Finger Length Ratios Reflect Prenatal Hormone Levels
00:22:30 Aggression: Male-Female, Female-Male, & Female-Female
00:24:05 Testosterone: The Challenge Hypothesis
00:29:20 How Dopamine Impacts Testosterone & Motivation
00:32:32 Estrogen: Improves Brain & Longevity BUT TIMING IS KEY
00:39:40 Are Testosterone & Sperm Counts in Males Really Dropping?
00:42:15 Stress Mitigation & Our Sense of Control
00:51:35 How Best to Buffer Stress
00:57:04 Power of Perception, Choice & Individual Differences
01:00:32 Context-Setting, Prefrontal Cortex & Hierarchy
01:11:20 How Dr. Sapolsky Accomplishes Deep Thinking
01:13:17 Do We Have Free Will?
01:20:50 How to Apply Knowledge & Learning
01:23:44 Robert’s New Book: “Determined: The Science of Life Without Free Will”
01:28:27 Reflections, Support of Podcast, & Supporting Stress Research
#HubermanLab #Testosterone #Stress
Photo credit: Linda A. Cicero (used with permission from Stanford Medicine Media)
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My love for neuroscience started watching Sapolsky's free lectures on youtube. Watching both of you together gives me a level of happiness that words cannot describe. Also reading Behave has made me a better human and one that's more compassionate with others (or at least that's what I try). Just thank you.
Ditto! Love RS lectures.
Same!
Me too. I discovered RS lectures 4 years ago and he rebooted my neuroscience nerdship
I’m right there, too!
I think every person in political positions should be required to read Behave. And Journalists, too.
Sapolsky is one of the most interesting guest this podcast could've ever have. Thrill to see this
Different guests have different personalities and scientific interests, I would not grade them....
Absolutely
Totally agree!
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So the least corrupt countries who held their citizens hostage for the shortest amount of time had the lowest Boogey Virus rates. Of course.... because people don’t get sick from germs, they get sick from being scared and upset about something that happened in their lives. Enter the worldwide FEAR CAMPAIGN brought to you by governments who have lied for decades. Governments who allow synthetic foods on the market like fake butter, Twinkies, telling you to eat 10 servings of toxic grains a day in order to keep your heart healthy, meanwhile it's causing everyone to become diabetic....THIS is who you take health info from??! Governments that lied about the medical benefit of marijuana are now to be TRUSTED?
The Germ Theory was never actually proven to be 100% accurate, yet the trillion dollar medical industry is entirely based on that theory. What's the CAUSE of death in people with this "virus"? Does their brain explode? Does their heart stop beating? The CAUSE of death is still pneumonia. Pneumonia is not something you can "catch". It's a biological result of being "scared to death" of something which is exactly what the media has done to people dumb enough to watch them. You've heard the term "Worried sick". That's because your BRAIN causes you to become sick due to the stress it is perceiving! Why do you think young kids aren't getting the Boogey Virus? Because they aren't sitting in front of the news being scared to death because they're too young to understand a Fear Campaign. These pathetic "experts" just make shit up to explain their narrative as they go. First they tell you kids bring home every illness from school because they're not "exposed" to enough things, then they say somehow they're immune to a Boogey Virus? Does anyone have common sense?! You don't show the symptoms of "disease" until you stop being panicked and afraid. These symptoms usually show up 1-2 weeks after you've relaxed and resolved the upsetting event.
There's no such thing that some diseases you can "catch", but not all. It's not that complex! If you can't "catch" cancer, diabetes, MS, arthritis, etc., from other people, then you can't "catch" colds, flu and Boogey Viruses. So governments around the world are CAUSING fear frights in everyone based on an unproven THEORY by one man, Louis Pasteur, who redacted his claim of the germ theory on his death bed, yet no one listened. So of course, when everyone is allowed to escape the hostage situation the governments have put their people into, and they start relaxing about the Boogey Virus, that's not in any way transmissible, they will begin their healing phase (get sick), and believe they then have it, and more panic will ensue as well as martial law. The longer people allow this government to hold them hostage in their homes, the more severe the "sickness" will be. Can anyone put 2 and 2 together to figure out what I'm saying?? Western Medicine is pure fraud, and people's lives are destroyed because of it. There's no critical thinking anymore. The group thinkers are moronic and brain dead. People think they're educated because they've memorized the lies they've been told for 100 years.
i have rarely laughed so loudly and heartily in andrew huberman's episodes. Robert Sapolsky's humor is subtle and familiar, I love it. Laughing is my favorite way to learn
"nah"
"I'd"
1:22:28 "The knowledge of the knowledge is an effector in and of itself". The absolute most powerful statement here!
Omg, i swallowed every single word from Prof Sapolsky' lectures on Human Behavioral Biology from 11 years ago. A pleasure to see Prof Sapolsky and Prof Huberman together here.
Me too . Old RUclips
Right! This is awesome!
Me too 😀
I have good memories of listening to his lecture videos
same!
This is the biggest neuroscience crossover episode ever
Yup, had everything. Biology, neurology, psychology, opthomology
FOR REAL
I am so hyped!!
It also had atheism
With horrible audio.
I am fangirl screaming so loud. Sapolsky is my hero! I binged his entire lecture series
Are you an atheist? I know random,
But curious
100% same.
Oh his stanf lectures
Yes! He’s literally amazing and his lectures + research is amazing.
hey yo fangirl the answer is subway stops! wheres my cream cheeese bagel???!
I took his college class on RUclips. Saved tons of money and learned so much. He truly is a gift to humankind.
Put that on your resume. Attended Stanford University via RUclips.
I don't put my actual college courses on my resume as they are not applicable. So, seems the same @@Cuyt24
Totally possible to try and improve yourself with knowledge without any other gain.
I never realized how many people have watched Sapolsky's lectures. I too admire his work and was excited to see this. Love the genuine effort behind this channel. 👏
there's a view count at the bottom of the videos lol
It is a series that everyone should watch, the byproduct is bettering the viewer ..... |Always been recommending to friends interested in the subject.
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It's remarkable that these resources are offers for free, pretty amazing
I listen to his lectures while working sometimes very much appreciate this mans existences.
i jumped out of bed like never before to run to my pc and watch this episode. SO STOKED THANKS HUBERMAN AND SAPOLSKY
Well, and I look at it now.
me too!!!!!
same! one of my favorite scientists shows up on one of my favorite podcasts
Thanks, Sapolsky is a lifetime favorite... So glad his life's dominos fell the way they did! 😉
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Lmfao I love Andrew thanking him at the end and Robert being like... 'well I didn't really do anything, this was all predetermined.. but thanks"
Was laughing my ass off about the same irony :)
wow spoiler alert.
Hahaha
@@TheUltimateGC if you go through the comments, you'll have spoilers
WOW, the 20-30 mins a day for stress management blew my mind. I always feel so frantic that I will literally tell myself exactly what he says NOT to do: "I will manage this stress when the weekend comes, I am too busy and overwhelmed right now."
Sapolsky's Stanford lecture series, available on RUclips, is legendary (in my opinion anyway). I watched it about a year ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. I only wish I could have had access to that kind of information earlier in life, but better late than never I guess.
Those are great lectures. But I believe Sapolsky is making a serious error in suggesting that one must somehow be free of ones own biology in order to have free will. The whole person, including the brain and the chemical reactions required to experience their life, and to make choices as to what that whole person will do next, is not an argument against free will, but simply an explanation of how free will actually works. There is no such thing as "freedom from oneself". But there is our ability to choose for ourselves what we will do, while free of coercion and other forms of undue influence.
Seconded.
Thanks for the pointer! I appreciate it.
@@marvinedwards737 Maybe free will is like an interference pattern that randomly collapses in a changing probability-field or something.
@@kjekelle96 I'm a compatibilist, so, for me, free will is a deterministic event, and freedom is a deterministic phenomenon. You see, freedom requires a world of reliable cause and effect. Without it, we could never reliably cause any effect, and would have no freedom to do anything at all. Free will is when we choose for ourselves what we will do, while free of coercion and other forms of undue influence. The act of deliberation is also deterministic, because the meaningful and relevant cause of our choice is our own purposes and reasons, our own thoughts and feelings.
Writing my dissertation on determinism, free will, and moral responsibility, my brain lit up hearing those words during the introduction. Thank you.
you might check out the stance of neurosurgeon Prof. Michael Egnor on the research on free will, easy to gurgle it
Too bad none of it matters when we enter pliocene like conditions on earth in 9 years. Waste of your time Sanjay. Go learn about your future on my channel.
@@TheDoomWizard I’d argue that it matters all the more, and I dig the vids, dude!
@@TheDoomWizard Lmao yeah sure. Keep wasting your time prepping for the doomsday.
I also lit up when I heard that. 💨
For the past 13 years I have watched everything Sapolsky on RUclips and am very appreciative!
This was an absolutely brilliant episode. Hormones, ‘free will’ and the meaning of existence. Please bring Dr Robert Sapolsky back for more discussions. Knowledge of knowledge is indeed changing Thank you.
I can not believe how lucky we are to get such amazing educational resources close to free now days!! Both your podcast and Robert Sapolskys published lectures have given me an invaluable amount of insight into the biology of being human. Thankyou both for all the usefull mechanisms, explanations and potential explorations in finding our best selves, and overcoming our hardest selfs.
Close to free? Who.... who charged you to watch this?
@@kevinbissinger the collection of your data by RUclips is the exchange. Doesn't have to be monetary to be a cost.
@@kevinbissingercost of a device to listen, electric cost, internet cost
Sapolsky is an absolute scientist. Very gifted and one of the most amazing contributors to good thought of all time.
His books are great too!
I'm just one person, but I was able to beat deep longterm depression, to the extent that I got off of longterm antidepressants and am very happy and content by stopping talking about things that bother me and instead taking some time by myself and praying/meditating when I am frustrated or sad/stressed. For me NOT cementing my negative feelings through speech was a real game changer. Once my emotions were balanced, my mind became clear, and I was able to take control and make adjustments in my life that then created the changes I had wanted to see take place in my life.
Wow, that was profound! Thank you for saying that.
So you didn’t have any internal chatter of recurring negative and upsetting thoughts? That what happens to me so if anything taking time to myself I marinate in these thoughts more.
yeah cementing things internally through language is quite powerful and bad when they are counterproductive things.
@@chamade166mindful at the time that's what you're doing?
Robert Sapolsky is a legend. I've read a few of his books and his passion, humor, and ability to explain things both in depth and simply in his subject are unmatched. Thank you Andrew and the Huberman Lab!
Can you explain to me what he says about Testosterone and aggression, please?
You don't believe the shivers that went through my whole body from just seeing the thumbnail with Robert Sapolski. It's crazy! Behave was one of the best books that have ever been written. Never expected him to be on the show.
+1
👍🏻👍🏻
i cant comprehend how you never expected him to be on the show, i was so sure he would appear and soon, to the point that i wasnt sure the sun is going to come out tomorrow but sapolsky will appear soon on huberman
you are aware more than that sapolsky is a colleague from the same university as huberman, also that the subject matter that both are taking on is very related, and on top of this that sapolsky has given many talks which shows hes willing to appear on places to talk about science he knows
so i ask again, how on earth could you say you NEVER EXPECTED HIM TO BE ON THE SHOW
i have no free will but am entirely programmed to be entirely flabbergasted by your comment that is all
@@bntagkas i think he not expected around this time. It was like an unexpected reward what makes the Huberman podcast listening behavior more consistent haha
Thank you for this, Dr Huberman. I feel super fortunate that I live in this era, where despite not living in the states, I got to listen to Dr Sapolsky's lectures online, and read the terrific books he had written. It was through his lectures I developed such a deep interest, and some understanding of human behaviour, which would simply not have been possible in a different era.
Behave, in particular, has almost been the equivalent of a bible for me (an atheist), and even if some parts of it have been overwritten by new science, Sapolsky's structure of thinking about behaviour (1 sec before, seconds before, minutes before, hours and days before....) that combines all the different branches of science is simply unparalleled
Same. Any other Sapolsky interviews with this quality of questions from another scientist? These videos will likely save me so much effort trying to convince friends to read a several hundred page book.
This was definitely the best 80 min I spent in a while, Thank you, professor Huberman and Dr. Sapolsky.
It’s 90 min
This would have to be one of my favorite podcast talks ever. It just kept getting better and better. Wrapping it up with the talk about free will,,,,, mind blown. Thank you both.
Great interview, Andrew crushed this, Sapolsky is the most amazing person alive today.
Starting TRT 3 years ago was best choice ever. Finding a good doctor trained in it is important. I was depressed, tired , in constant joint and muscular pain, anxious and unmotivated before. Bloodwork showed my super low T and we fixed it. It was crazy how it helped me feel like myself again and continues to today 3-3.5 years later. Can’t stress importance of trained HRT doctors because endocrinologists just go more by the book and the books lack this research. My husband is in med school and wants to get into HRT because it is a field we feel is growing and truly helps people. And I’m sure if I went to a psychologist they would’ve just had me on antidepressants and antianxieties for the rest of my life instead which wouldn’t fix the problem and long term problems of low t. Thank you for this discussion, it needs to be spread. 👍🏻
Hi Bethany,
I’m just about to start TRT. I have the same range of symptoms that you had. How long did it take for you to see improvements? Did it alleviate all symptoms? Any side effects at all? Thank you for your feedback 🙏
I went to my GP and she tried to prescribe me antidepressants. I start HRT next week. It's not soon enough. My memory is effecting my career.
good for you..ya insurance will also not want to pay for hormones, and blood tests are up and down 5 times a day
@@lunam7249 Not true, I'm on Medicaid and they pay for %100 of my testosterone prescriptions and have for a couple years now
@@Cat-zk4ke you can start feeling the results in literally days
Thank you so much for your commitment to getting high quality information and education to the public at no cost. I greatly respect you for this.
Amazing, I loved Salposky's lecture series on u tube . The revelations that our behaviour is largely pre-determined is fascinating and liberating at rhe same time .
I've found a home here with this podcast. I admit I've had a troubled life but I've had so much help here. I am so looking forward to the podcast on ADHD. Thank you, Dr. Huberman!
Is estrogen better than testosterone?
@@robertdavis3788 No, nor the opposite
Hope you're staying strong. How is your progress so far?
@@francoismartineau2519 there opposite ? Don't they have specific roles?
IS Insulin better than growth Hormone? Is tnfalpha(inflamation Hormone) better than il 1 ( anti inflamation Hormone) ? Is Cortisol better than aldosterone? No they are hormones and they have important Rules in every human, and depending on age, Sex, genetic Makeup, These Levels vary... And it's important, that These hormones stay in range, generally for Testosterone one can say the higher end of the range IS preferred in men. At least that IS what Most men will say, If they manipulate their hormones( Trt) or naturally, Like good health and or Testosterone boosting Supplements. For Cortisol ITS more complicated, for Estradiol also, for tnfa or other inflamatory hormones( cytokines) they should be low in a healthy Not acutely sick individual...
Thank you so much for bringing Robert Sapolsky on the show. Both of you are truly inspiring science educators
I am soo much obsessed with Dr Robert spolsky, his mind blowing research, I went through his standford lecture series, being a psy student learning about physicology , neurology is amazing
I am extremely impressed with the level of preparedness and the seriousness with which a brilliant thinker such as Dr. Huberman approaches interviewing another brilliant thinker such as Dr. Sapolsky. It tells me a LOT about the man; his dedication to excellence, his reverence for other gifted, hard-working people, his complete lack of self-importance. This is a truly beautiful meeting of great minds and of two of my very favorite humans. Superb work!
Sapolsky is a RUclips O.G, thanks for having him on!
"If you took a whole bunch of Buddhist monks and shot em up with testosterone" 😂 Sounds like the plot for an awesome movie
Ha! Indeed, a really wild experiment.
there is a movie like that, check out Shaolin soccer
@@kingstormysky3978 lol
Lol
Lol
I love that man. It's in the struggle.He knows so much from decades of pushing through jungles, reading library's, and the life on life terms crud and he's still willing,...to keep moving.
“The knowledge of knowledge is an effectuate in it of itself…” that gives me so much hope for my son. That my beautiful son is more than just the crappy genes that he might have or the toxic environment we both had to face against my stbx. My son can change as long as I keep teaching him and myself more and more. And this is all thanks to Robert Sapolsky and people like him such as Andrew. Thank you so much. This is a gift to humanity.
If you watch such content I don`t think your genes are "crappy". Dumb people don`t take interest in such topics. I think there is a high level of interest in the world and inteligence required to seek such information.
😂 blaming your stbx that you chose is a sign of profound stupidity
Keep investing in you and your son's knowledge and you will outweight your environment by soooooo much so you don't have to worry. You are a great mum, i really apreciate your thought
LOVE Sapolsky's work. What a great guy, huge contributions to the field of stress management
I literally jumped and screamed when I saw Sapolsky in the thumbnail. There's few interviews of this incredible neurologist and I just can't believe that out of all the people Huberman is the one interviewing him in this excepcional podcast, I'm so happy I could explode. Thank you Huberman for bringing him to the podcast.
Sounds like most of us had the same reaction!
Sapolsky's definition of free will is a choice someone makes while "free from themselves".The biology of the person is not an external influence exercising control over the person. We cannot set ourselves in one corner of the room and set our biology in a different corner, and then claim that biology is forcing us to make choices against our will. One of those two corners is empty.
Jumping and screaming increases testosterone! Well done!
Finished binging the Huberman Lab episodes and now on to Dr Spolski's lectures. He's such a wonderful lecturer who makes complex topics intelegible for those of us with 0 science background.
Listened twice.. each time with curiosity and new "discoveries"
Plan to listen to this awesome interview a third time... taking away new bits of knowledge..
such a richness
so stimulating..
Sapolky's lectures on human behavior are life changing. Best episode ever!
Sapolsky's Stanford lecture series, on free will - super insightful! Thank you Dr. Huberman and Team. YOU ROCK!
This was really tremendously interesting. Thank you Andrew and Robert.
Great interview! I loved the end where they discuss free will. I think any creative person will readily identify with the notion of having no free will. Those who create generally don't sit down and say, "I will be creative!". Rather they feel compelled or "driven" to create. They have no choice, they must try and make something new. It is as though their brain is in charge and the body must respond. I once had a creative person tell me it was like the urge to throw up - unpleasant, but such a relief when it was over.
Desires and urges are what make free will (at least, to some degree, not as an absolute freedom) a thing. You’re free to choose or to act upon your desires because you have desires, if you were incapable of desiring, you wouldn’t be free at all, because you wouldn’t have anything to choose from because you are incapable of wanting to choose or to want at all. If freedom is absence of desires and urges, are inanimate objects, like rocks, free?
That’s not at all my experience tbh. And many of the creatives I know have never expressed such sentiments. Maybe a couple said they felt like they absolutely needed to, but not most, unless someone wants to say that those few are the only “real” creatives and the rest of us are posers.
@@corpseposse7158the idea is that those desires you think you’re acting on are not ones that spontaneously occur. There is always a causal link to the many factors sapolsky alluded to. And if causality is by definition linked to a past event, then free will in the sense I think they are talking about cannot exist.
Sapolsky - YES! One of favorite authors!
I’ve been watching recorded lectures given by Dr. Sapolsky and it’s awesome to see him then and now - and to see him with you is a huge bonus! I love listening to his lectures I am just amazed at the volume of knowledge he communicates in a session just, nonstop, high energy, lively, and very interesting.
When it comes to the discussion of Free Will, we have Huberman saying, 1:16:24: "So I can appreciate that our behaviors and our choices are the consequences of a long line of dominoes that fell prior to that behavior. But is it possible that I can intervene in the domino effect, so to speak?" Then, later, 1:16:55 "Can the knowledge of that give me some small shard of freewill? Meaning does it allow me to say, ah, OK, I accept that my choices are somewhat predetermined, and yet knowing that gives me some additional layer of control?"
The whole misconception about choice and change is in the use of the word and concept "PRE-DETERMINED", as if there's somewhere a script or blueprint describing "a long line of dominoes that fell prior to that behavior." The distortion results from following linear thinking. A new thought, a new choice does not come AFTER any existing "line" of events, it EMERGES in the interplay of thousands of neuronal circuits sending action potentials to all corners of the brain with a result not established anywhere in the brain in advance. We get to know what it is only when it happens, because the "long chain" of dominoes does not exist anywhere, and they don't "FALL" before the arrival of the new choice or action. The new choice, thought, action emerges from all the new activity of circuits interacting in the brain all together at the same time, with no blueprint of their commingled interactions and its result anywhere. The new thought or choice, or behavior, becomes known as it comes into existence in the brain circuits. Everything is in a way "DETERMINED", but the interplay of all the thousands of factors going into the joint making of a new thought or decision is never "PRE-DETERMINED."
When Sapolsky mentions the title of his new book on Free Will, his wording makes this very clear, 1:24:01 Title is "DETERMINED: A SCIENCE OF LIFE WITHOUT FREEWILL ". The key word is "DETERMINED", with nothing being "PRE-DETERMINED". It's a subtle difference, but a fundamental one that most people don't grasp, as Huberman rhetorically pretends to fail to do here in this exchange for the sake of prodding Sapolsky further. Especially the religious mind cannot accept this distinction that introduces the fundamental factor of luck in life, as the religious mind is used to imagining some overall brain already orchestrating the whole music of life. But in the biological world, there is no overall director, engineer, designer or conductor. Luck and emergence remain key principles of development and change. What we can do is to observe statistically the results and construct categories and causality, and so develop a body of science.
NOTE: For a nice complement to this discussion, see "Lecture 21. Chaos & Reductionism", (May 2010) and "Lecture 22. Emergence & Complexity" (Feb. 2011) in Prof. Sapolsky's HUMAN BEHAVIORAL BIOLOGY course produced by Stanford Un. and shown in 27 videos on RUclips. The famous beard was fuller and darker then, and the voice more authoritative.
ROO BOOKAROO, Dec. 19, 2022
Coming from likely a more religious mind, luck is not really the issue. The issue on free will for religious people comes down to an ethical question. Fundamentally, "Can you choose between right and wrong?" If you can choose than you have responsibility for your actions. If you cannot then ethics and justice are pointless constructions. The difference between determined and pre-determined is a distinction without difference. Whether it's fate or luck, if people cannot choose there is no ethical value to their actions.
@@AlphaCFalcon why exactly is “can we choose between right and wrong” a fundamental question or issue if we already know the answer is yes? Free will doesnt exclusively refer to human ethics so the question must be larger to include all of biology. sorry if this reply is somewhat pointless. I do generally agree with your statements but im lost in this language game…
@@AlphaCFalcon that all depends on whether the individual actually believes in God.
What most people will never know is they are spiritual souls bound temporarily to a flesh body.
Thats why most people are walking contradictions.
Until we can explain how all of the circuits, action potentials, molecules, electrical activity, etc. can create consciousness, nobody can refute or assert free will.
Remember the Carl Sagan thing about how all the chemicals in your body are worth, in total, about $3? It's not that we're made of anything exotic. The construction is exotic. The way on which the chemicals are arranged gives rise to life and consciousness. So how does the arrangement of matter create a mind? We can't answer that, the hard problem of consciousness. And so how can we say anything about the determinacy of mind? Sure, we were caused, but it appears as if we do causing of our own.
Either the universe made atoms bounce around for 13.7 billion years until I typed this sentence, so it's really the echo of the Big Bang typing now. Or the echo of the Big Bang created me, and I'm choosing to type these words. Both are incredible propositions. One entirely negates my existence.
his whole conscluion on lack of free will comes from the twin experiments that are described in his book where twins separated at birth developed same behaviours thru life without they not meeting themselves after decades. these twins are under the same pre natal hormone exposure environment in the mothers fetus and lived in completly different upbringings rerally far away geographically. this is not the only experiment but also in things like animals who didnt went extinct millions of years ago and that were part of the multicellular organism evolutions into the mammals we are rn who we herited subconscious behaviours like expansion of the chest in the presence of a smaller organism to show dominance and the bending of the back by the smaller creature. our past, present and future is biologically conditioned not only by biological evolution itself but also by the physical environment and social societal accomplishments more specifically. in terms of survival, we can interfere in the process of being a better adapted to our physical reality by intuition and education, our brain is still a self driven subconscious machine. the root of all our behaviours is still raw survival instinct.
Both of you gentlemen dropped some hardcore truths on us. This was fantastic. Dr. Huberman would love to head a deep dive into libido.
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I watched his entire open course on youtube a couple years ago! Best lectures ever! 💙💙👏🏻👏🏻
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Obligatory imo great stuff
2010 course is best thing on internet. Only thing better would be a more recent course revised based on more recent research
Absolutely!!!
Watch the newest (there's two) Maps & Meanings lecture series by Dr. Jordan Peterson. It's even better than Salposky's and I watched Robert's twice.
I love the science shout outs that these guys always give to others in their field. Everytime they say something interesting they have to give a cool little shout out to the person who discovered it. While some do it excessively to appear credible, it's really nice to see when it's as genuine as these guys.
Wish we could get more Dr. Sapolsky! This was GREAT. Just GREAT.
It's the best interview with Robert that I ever saw. Thanks a lots!
I love Dr. Sapolsky's lectures, tuned right in.
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Dr Sapolsky's human behavioural biology lectures are phenomenal, they inspired me to learn more about the subject and think about a change of career. Dr Huberman, your work on stress mitigation, the breathing exercises you provide and a "now or never" style statement you made once on a talk somewhere have been fantastic in encouraging me to take the first steps in that direction. I'm beginning a new journey thanks to the two of you and it's great to see you both on here, brilliant episode.
I love the fact that this idea of there not being an inherent free will is starting to be discussed in an open setting. Anytime I try to discuss this with my family or peers, they just look at me like I'm crazy. So glad I found Andrew's channel.
They probably haven't watched a few videos of RUclips on the subject like you and became an expert on it over the night. I guess it just happens that you can explain your theory or your beliefs, more clearly but this doesn't make them true.
It makes people really uncomfortable for some reason. Never really understood the aversion. Its like talking about death, or something.
@@jeremyphillips3087 it's the implication of not being fully accountable for crimes, that is always lingering that makes people uncomfortable.
@@AllisterCaine Probably, but that never made much sense to me. If a person had a severe intellectual disability most people would say that person wasn't fully accountable for crimes, but that doesn't mean that we wouldn't remove that person from society. Just extend that to everyone.
This is such an incredible talk! So incredibly grateful to have it as reference! Thank you!
Who said Mondays are awful?
'Welcome to the Huberman Lab podcast...'
Right? Part of me looks forward to Mondays now
I've been waiting for this episode for a while now. It's amazing to have you both together.
Just a reminder that two days ago, on April 6, 2022, Dr. Robert Sapolsky celebrated his 65th BD.
For somebody who has watched our Incredibly Learned Professor giving his 25 lectures on Human biology in his Stanford Un. class walking back and forth in perpetual motion behind his long table, and continuously waving his arms to illustrate his point or draw a quick sketch on the blackboard, it was quite a surprise to listen to him literally glued to his chair, and barely getting some glimpses of him occasionally moving his arms.The new behavior is the tendency, when answering a question, of tilting his head backwards as if to pick up fresh thoughts from the air or the ceiling. The new look is a whiter, thinner beard, and a more sculpted face. This becomes even more striking in videos made the following year, 2022. Also he introduces a couple of neurobiological words I don't remember him using in the 2009-2012 Stanford lectures. What has remained unchangingly impressive is his control of the new literature he's been reading.
Prof. Huberman, would you invite Sapolsky to talk about (his) depression? I love him and would like to know how he manages it. And why being wonderful doesn't make things better. ❤
So glad you have Dr Sapolsky on your show! But 1h30m seems just to short of a podcast with him ahah I really hope you bring him back some other time.
Huberman and Sapolsky on Hormones and Free Will? Count me the **** in, I've been waiting for this my whole life!
Im doing a fellowship in Neuropsychiatry thanks to how influential Behave was to me. I'm a BIG fan of both. Doc Hub, if it wasn't bc of your insights on attention and ADHD + Sapolsky's depiction of the basal ganglia and its role in why we're hyperreactive anger/stress. Y'all saved my wild mind.
I totally agree both of these guys work as been blessings
Yes, yes and yes. I was listening to Prof. Sapolsky's lectures long before my ADHD diagnosis and I must say, they really prepared me for it. I view my brain with awe, respect, compassion and curiosity now :)
Is there a video where Sapolsky speaks on the basal ganglia?
This was excellent! A good example of Roberts end point on Freewill or there fore lack of it, is this. Not too long ago, I was stagnating in life, struggling with adult ADHD and cyclic bouts of depression, self harming behaviors, addictions ect. But then somehow I was half listening to a JRE podcast with Andrew as guest, I had tuned out for some time when I heard Andrew talk about Tongkat Ali and Fadogia Aregetis stack and it's effects. I stopped , replayed, took note.
Soon I was to further investigate, eventually I ordered both. I stopped my stimulant medication less than a week before it arrived. And I stopped many bad habbits in the month prior.
After taking for only 1 and a half weeks, I felt amazingly focused, calmed, energized and mentally optimized. Then I started lifting, getting shit done, feeling like my old self but better! Im now integrating medication back into my stack and changing my life, direction, mindset, habbits and plans everyday.
It was the realization that this one bit of information learned in turn changed my life tremendously, which in of knowing this, again expanded my whole mindset and outlook on freewill. It was the knowledge of the knowledge!
The Knowledge was enough to give me some hope, the action upon especially, then the practice and results were effective. But the realization of the fact one random bit of information done all this, that's the magic!
That's fucking awesome man thanks for sharing
@@No-ky3kb Alguds brother! So glad my lengthy comment I barely remember shed some wisdom. Proud to say I'm still on this path. Because my attention somehow shifted into a single moment and some crucial knowledge. Self determinism be damned. Good will prevail I am sure of this.
It seems like you got better because you stopped the more harmful habit. Not because you bought the supplements he pushes.
You stopped stimulants in nearly enough time to completely withdraw the psychological need (addiction) for them, if I read that right. And other bad habits effectively 6 weeks before that.
I am such a fan of Dr. Sapolsky! Thank you so much for bringing him into this discussion!
Who needs Netflix when you've got THIS 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🤌🥳
Im watching his lectures recorded ten years ago and concern how’s he doing. Prof is aging and I just wish I could protect him from atrophy all cost 😠 Wishing you well. Great podcast, duo legends who make complicate science easy and accessible to everybody.
yep! time for everyone to get crackin' and get stuff done bcuz the originals are going to die out!
Thank you! It's so easy to think of stress as only negative without realizing that we need to aim for the OPTIMUM amount, because short term stress has an important role.
I wanted this so bad. This was an amazing podcast episode. The whole "The knowledge of the knowledge is an effector in and of itself" is an amazing concept. Overall I loved the podcast.
This was an outstanding interview. You asked some questions on subjects I've been researching for years. One of the best RUclips videos I've ever seen.
I havent even heard this episode and i am so excited! Really big fan of Sapolsky’s work!
I've always been interested in behavior, but I've come to love neuroscience after watching Sapolsky's lectures on RUclips. I knew nothing about biology yet I understood and learned so much thanks to his great ability to break down complex concepts into smaller didactic pieces. This was incredibly stimulating.
I watched many if not all of dr. Sapoloskys videos and lectures several years ago. He is also very smart and easy on the ears. It's unexpected for me that you would have him on and quite a treat. So I'll start watching this now. Thank you!
Wow. If there's such a thing as a "Sapolsky fanboy," that would be me. I share his lectures from the Stanford website regularly. I truly believe that if more people listened to him, the world would be a better place. What a gift he is.
Where ?
@@Q_QQ_Q Sorry - the Stanford RUclips channel
@@Philusteen yes . tnx
Totally!!! Me too!!! Happy dancing over this episode!!!💃🏽😁👍🏽✌🏽❤️
@@winbalingit8502 Agreed - and I look ludicrous when I dance. 😆
Thank you I only wish we had more people like you in society explaining the human condition.
Such a fan of both!
Thank you for the work you do and sharing it with the general public.
You really have to admit Sapolsky is a beautiful man. From his knowledge to his voice, from his smoothe-flowing and understandable rhetorical style to his hair and beard styles, he is remarkably beautiful.
Sounds like you're man crushing bro! Lol
@@DS-rd9qn Maybe so, maybe so...
@@defenderofwisdom Go for it dude!
Yep. I did like his hair longer. But he looks great! And I love the dog yipping in the background 🤗
@@conniehudson4764 Agreed!
Gold! Gold!! Thanks, Prof. Andrew for bringing in Dr. Sapolsky early in this podcast. Been listening to his lectures during this pandemic.
Wonderful interview! Thank you! We're lucky that an entire class taught by him is available free on RUclips, I learned so much from it! Completely agree with him on the absence of free will.
He contradicted himself countless times implying we are making choices and even implied culpability by possible being "heartless" in some situations. He is absolutely talking from both sides of his mouth and not even even recognizing his own self contradictions. Unbelievable that an expert can be so inconsistent with his beliefs.
@@cyberfunk3793 scientists are indeed bad at philosophy
@@cyberfunk3793 Making choices isn't free will. The choices are determined. But yes, he does contradict himself, and I've seen him do it before.
@@klondike444 can you demonstrate that everything like our choices are determined?
@@cyberfunk3793 Can you demonstrate that they are not? We live in a universe of cause and effect (plus possibly quantum randomness). Is there any reason to suppose that what happens in our brains, including the choices we make, is any different from what happens in the rest of the universe?
Started doing the whole “no phone after 11pm,” look at sun first thing, and cutting out daily coffee, and that first two weeks was HELL. Today, a coffee from McDonald’s once in a weekend,” is like going to Napa with all your friends for a week! Caffeine is a drug as you go thru painful withdrawal.
Honestly this felt very serendipitous as I've been on a robert sapolsky kick the last couple months as I have watched this podcast over the year.
Same here! Binged his Stanford lectures and I got started on Behave.
Hoje, depois de assistir alguns minutos do vídeo, eu me peguei pensando sobre o que eu realmente estava fazendo aqui, uma vez que meu nível de inglês não atinge,nesse momento, uma completa excelência ao que diz respeito a termos técnicos científicos. E essa linha de raciocínio me fez perceber que a ciência é exatamente isso para mim, uma intrigante e mágica poesia universal, que por sua própria essência é capaz de ir além... Além de muros, de fronteiras, de idiomas e de muitas outras coisas.
Isso porque ela fala de maneira muito íntima com cada um de nós. Ela nos instiga e nos convida a ir além também.
Que esses verdadeiros sonetos sigam sendo postados, pelo bem de nossas mentes, almas e de nosso progresso como espécie.
Um singelo e brasileiro, obrigada! 🇧🇷
You’re clearly very well spoken and poetic yourself. You’ll have the English language mastered in no time, I’m confident of it. Sending positive vibes to you 🥰
@@kaylacarr2200 Hi Kayla! 😀 Thanks for your comment, compliment and good vibes.
Have a nice day! 🍀
Absolute bliss to hear both of you talk about neuroscience. It is my favourite field. Wish You could invite Dr Sapolsky again.😅 Also thank You, Dr Huberman, for your work. I truly appreciate your passion You do things with.
Robert is amazing I have a playlist with him that I roll through once in a while.
Omg best crossover ever!!!! Since your podcasts revolve around focus and optmising efficiency of our biology, would love to have an episode centred around how ADHD impacts our neurobiology and how us ADHD-ers can be better versions of ourselves armed with the knowledge we get from all your videos!!
Solo me queda esperar los subtitulos de este gran encuentro!!!! Leí "Compórtate" de Robert Sapolsky y quedé maravillado!
Algun dia no necesitaras mas subtitulos.
Soy maestro de ingles. Si gustas ayuda para aprender ingles, con gusto.
Hay un mundo de recursos en ingles, tanto videos como textos, que se ponen a tu alcance al aprender el idioma. Tan tedioso como sea, hay que aprenderlo una vez nada mas, y te servira' el resto de tu vida.
The effects and function of testosterone is very enlightening. I have seen Dr. Sapolsky Neuroscience psychology lectures on RUclips and listen to a bit of them. From this I definitely want to listen to all of his lectures.
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Amazing ! Thank you for running this channel and all of your work !
Never have i being so attentive, i am learning more than i did at school ,absolutely marvellous.
This was an incredible way to wake up. I feel so much calmer. Thank you so much!
I know about Dr Sapolsky from his online course on Stanford's youtube channel, something that I listened to on and off the past years with great interest. It makes me so happy to find this interview on Andrew's channel.
Can't believe I just found this. Glorious. Been a fan since watching his Stanford lecture series.
Loved the episode, will re listen to it a couple of times. Thank you so much for your work Dr Andrew Huberman!
Are you related to chuck?
My favourite episode thus far and I’ve been here since day one. Dr. Sapolsky is an idol.
I can listen to these 2 for hours!!! LOVED this episode!!!
I never realized how much I needed a discussion about free will from a science point of view... And now, I need more of that!
Clicked on this even faster than the previous episodes. Love Prof. Sapolsky from his human behavioural biology lectures and I'm currently reading one his books!
I also look forward to the more plates more dates video(s) on this video lol
Simply listening to this conversation made me more happy, fufilled and willing to learn more, with a big dumb smile on my face for the entire time.
Thank you.
Fantastic- Grateful for this input and the work that you do and the guests that you have on your podcast.
This discussion was particularly relevant to my work in service to others. Thank you.
Dr. Robert Sapolsky was very inspiring. I'm ready to read for little. It was really nice to listen to his wisdom and knowledge. You are appreciated.