Hello and thank you for your testing these thermal sheets. I teach IT at a secondary vocational school in the Netherlands and every 1st year student has to build a pc from scratch. I use the Carbonaut sheets as an alternative to paste. We have about 80 builds and teardowns per schoolyear and using paste would create a mess and be pretty expensive. The great advantage I found with these sheets, that when handled with some care we can do at least 50 cpu cooler swaps before the sheet starts to show visual degradation. This in addition with the ease of handling (especially for students building their 1st pc) makes it for me the perfect solution as a teacher. I use the Intel Pentium Gold G6405 with the Intel stock cooler for the builds and the 32x32mm sheet works perfect. The cpu idles at around 34c (93.2F) when students boot into the UEFI.
I have used KryoSheet several times repeatedly on intel 13600k and 14700k processors. There have been no problems with temperatures. Be very careful during installation so that the KryoSheet does not break, as it is very fragile. I used a sheet of paper to hold and move the KryoSheet. I highly recommend it from my own experience :)
Does it matter how hard you secure down the cooler? Like I usually screw it tight on thermal paste but can you still do this without the thermal pad splitting?
@@pearce_nz I install the cooling as strongly as with thermal paste. The harder the cooler is installed, the better the temperatures. The only thing I would recommend is that the KryoSheet is cut to the same size as the size of the Cpu or a little larger. The more the edge is over, the more difficult it is to re-install later. I have managed to use the same KryoSheet at least 6 times and everything works perfectly and the temperatures are as good as before.
I’ve had a i7-6700k in place for 8 years of gaming that just started crashing. Anyway, today i learned that thermal paste needs to be refreshed every few years.
I have been using a IC Graphite thermal pad made by Innovation Cooling Since 2018 on my AM4 MB. I upgraded my CPU over a year ago and the pad worked exactly the same and I have not had any issues. I will never go back to paste. I mean with the cost of everything, what is $15 really. I built a second system and am using the same thing. Great Brand!
I value my time more than the extra cost of cryosheets, they're faster to build systems with and never having to replace them is HUGE. Also, don't forget consistency, there's no such thing as too much or too little paste with them, or an uneven application, all those variables are removed from the builds. Not to mention you get better thermals overall, which is always a plus.
@@EXTREMOZAU Thermal pads like the Cryosheet or (Honeywell) PTM7950 (which is a phase-change material, that fills in microscopic gaps as it heats up in-use) are optimally one-and-done installations. Thermal paste/thermal compound dries out over time and can generate air pockets as it ages (which is why you should replace it at least every 10 years, optimally every 5 years), whilst thermal pads are a no-mess no-clean alternative that lasts longer and performs as-well or better then thermal paste, that you should never have to touch once the CPU cooler or even GPU cooler is installed.
@@EXTREMOZAU they cost a fkin mcdonalds meal more than regular paste. for something that you will NEVER have to change its absolutely not just for enthusiasts
Just want to add that it's not just about temperature, it's also heat transfer rate. Kryosheet has higher heat transfer rate which helps in overclocking stability. It is the reason I could have my 5900X stable at 4.4Ghz running Allcore workload vs the Artic MX4 which always had stability issues at 4.4Ghz. When I upgraded to the Artic Freezer III 360, the temps also dropped 10C on top of a 4.4Ghz Allcore. For this reason alone, I bought the Kryosheet + spares because the Artic Freezer III was so hard to install in the AM4 bracket.
Hey, 5950x and Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420mm here, the AM4 mount wasn't so hard to install, all you had to do is to loosen the two mount plates when installing or screw them onto the cooler and install it like Liquid Freezer II cooler. Most people like blowing a scary bubble from the LF3 mounting 🥱
I'd like to also see the difference between these and the PTM7950. I'm tempted to pull the trigger for PTM7950 (Honeywell) as I also heard the more you use it the better it becomes overtime
Honeywell is a bit worser than paste, but not significantly and in long term, for example in laptops, it’s better solution for sure. Russians proved it. Search for vik-on channel if you dare, but it’s in russian.
I did install the PTM7950 in my 8 years old laptop few months ago, and if installed well the results are just amazing from the first day, and it's true that the thermal performance keep improving by use I mesure lower temperature than what I mesured the first week of install. Below are the improvements between my old thermal paste and the PTM7950 measured at Idle and under stress (latest CineBench and Superposition) : CPU : Max -14° Min 0° GPU : Max -4° Min 0° I also added some minus8 thermal pads to VRMs and SSD, and here are the improvements : SSD : Max -17° Min -6° VRM : Max -10° Min -16°
Literally just switched to Honeywell ptm7950. It's not that expensive. Lowered my 14700k temps. 75c under full load. Mx4 and tf7 would hit 100c under load. Make the switch.
I’ve done some testing with KryoSheet on GPU’s and they do great when used directly on the die. Usually as good as a premium past. The sheets keep the temps low while the paste starts to pump out and get higher temps over time.
I just repasted my GPU this weekend and noticed a lot of it had pushed out. The only reason I took it apart is because I broke the loop down and water accidentally dripped between the block and the card. So I had to tear it apart to make sure it was dry. I should have tried using a pad instead. Maybe next time.
@@CyberCPUI'm sorry. Why do all thermal paste reviewers say that there should be a minimum of it between adjacent surfaces, and then complain about it being squeezed out?
@@ДмитрийКа-я6б: That is a really good question. I see the same thing in woodworking. With glue, a little squeeze out is good, It shows complete coverage of the material but a large amount of squeeze out shows you have created a "layer" of glue, which will be a weakness. (and you have wasted glue) With the thermal paste "a little" is OK but I don't think that should be visible, until you actually tighten the cooler down. If you see squeeze out, when you set the on, you have too much. I don't like the idea of using a patterned application. I prefer spreading a thin coat. No mess, no waste. Just my opinion. 😁✌🖖
How does it perform in hotspot temps to gpu temp? 12c is the best I can get with paste while a 3090 I have I can’t get better than 20c. Which has me considering the pad
@@ДмитрийКа-я6б because it gets squeezed out during heating but is not getting sucked back in during cooling, therefore an air gap is created where paste is supposed to be
I am just a casual builder (2 thus far and current system is i7-2600K) however considering a new system since Windows 10 is about over and newer system with newer technology to work with Windows 11 or 12 by that time. What I like about considering the thermal sheets, is the idea of install and forget, no more repasting since I don’t do much gaming and continuing heat dissipation to the AIO water cooler. I generally render video’s then burn to DVD/Blu-Ray and a newer system would be so much faster processing the rendering etc., and don’t add/remove additional item’s later to the computer, more of long term build. Always good topic’s to share from a more expertise guru, keep it going! Lots of Fun!
I think these are unnecessarily expensive. I would have just go with a trusted brand and simple ones; most people would recommend Noctua NT-H1 and NT-H2 or Arctic MX-6 which are claimed many times that easily lasts over 5+ years, even up to 10 years. You don't need regular thermal paste maintenance until your CPU hits over 90C under constant 100% fan speed. Only then you may need to re-apply the paste, but before that, just clean case's dust filters, because most of the times the issue is dust clogging the filters and building up on the fans, and worst case scenario on the heatsinks; because when you take the heatsink off from the CPU to clean, it is recommended to re-apply a thermal paste even if it's not dried yet; so the problem might not be the thermal paste if PC is all dusty. My current case is an old one, Cooler Master HAF-XB (HAF means High Airflow); a small cubic case with big mesh on the both sides and top, only having a dust filter on the bottom and front, which is hard to clean; so, while the air runs free from all sides for better cooling, but dust accumulates over fans if left unattended over a year. Tho it was worse when I was still smoking and kept the windows open; it's better now since I quit smoking and installed AC for hot summer days instead of relying on the wide open windows and an electric fan that never stop running for months. But PC still pulls some dust from environment because the case lacking dust filters. I am using the same case over 10+ years. Because I am lazy like you to maintain my PC, I am looking to change my PC case with newer and bigger one with no big open mesh and easy-to-clean magnetic dust filters (I have my eyes on Lian Li EVO XL for some time but it's 350 USD here which I can't do atm for someone who can save 40$ per month at most, I just bought an upgrade for my CPU which was 99 USD which is Ryzen 5600, lower TDP values, lower energy consumption, and hopfully lower heat production and more quiet PC). What I am trying to say is, keeping your PC dust free is more important to keep it cooler; and by doing so, your thermal paste would last even longer. Kolay gelsin.
I prefer and use Carbonaut. I changed two processors and three coolings. It is still intact and works flawlessly. From this point of view, it turned out to be cheaper than thermal paste ;) P.p. I also tried the first and second placement, but it didn't give me a single degree of difference. 5 uses already and still as good. No smudging, no drying
I don't think enthusiasts go for pads; I always felt like pads for newbie builders for those who scare to make a mistake by applying too little or too much termal paste. Old school builders have their own signature ways to apply thermal paste they can't give up that easily. And richer enthusiasts that are bravier than regular enthusiasts would use liquid metal because money gives a lot of courage to try new things and make mistakes, look at Linus, I have never see him not spill coolant on electronics, everytime he lay his hands to custom water cooling he burst liquid everywhere.
@@Haplo-sanagree with the Liquid Metal point, people preach it but I just don’t see the benefits over the risks. The fact that it can short stuff if you make a mistake is enough to keep me on pastes.
Great video, I change my thermal paste maybe once a year 'maybe', so for only a couple of degrees and much more money, I agree totally with you, paste it is!!!
The thing OI like is a solution where you can set it and forget it.. No worrying about paste drying out. To me that's worth the mucking around😵💫. Thanks. Cheers
I've been using gig-a-loo and a paper towel to clean up the paste from my CPUs for years. Works a treat for me. I also use an old credit card to apply the paste - I need the film to be as thin (and equal) as can be. It's so easy to clean the card afterwards - I can use the same paper towel I used to clean my setup. No waste!
Great video, small note, would have liked it even more if there was a 4th option( third party paste, dunno, mx 4-5, noctua or generic ebay paste ... etc).
I used my first pad on the i9 14900k. I don’t overclock but have bench things numerous times. I installed it 7 months ago, mine actually ran a 2c lower but I think had a bad paste job so I can’t attribute the drop to the pad. 7 months, temps have been consistent Idle 30c. MW3 after hours of play, 60c in game.
I have been the Kryosheet of the last few builds that I have done and I think what you are missing is that you don't have to re-paste and if you tested a system with a Kryrosheet after a couple years it will be the same as when built, whereas paste will slow go down over time. Also, since most people can't agree on how much paste to use the sheets just life easier. Pay a little more up front have the same performance till dismantle or replace the system several years later, or save a few dollars on the paste, but spend an hour of your time once every couple of years to re-paste your CPU, and I am sure an hour or even a half of your time is worth more than the $20 you save between the two solutions. Anyways great video, informative, but you should consider a long term test, it might take a year or two to make it but I think the results will surprise you.
These sheets are interesting.. FWIW, I recently picked up some PTM 7950 to try out on my 5900X and it's definitely outperforming my previous MX-6 paste by a small margin, even right out of the box. I'm not doing super scientific testing, but I did see a drop of a couple C, while also measuring one or two decibels lower from my fan curves, after a day or two of use. I have a second application worth, so I'm going to put it on my 9800X3D, whenever it shows up.
I used a KryoSheet with a Ryzen 9950x and a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE air cooler. Mostly I went with the KryoSheet to avoid cleaning thermal paste goop around the oddly shaped IHS, and because performance reviews said it mostly matches the capabilities of paste. That's my experience so far with the toasty 9950x.
Impressive result from the Kryosheet pad! It's nice to see some innovation in thermal pad design...I do watch Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed, and Der Bauer a lot though, so I am definitely biased!
If I used pads, I'd suggest to place down at an angle or roll it down to prevent air pockets from getting caught. Same while placing the heat sink. Like putting stickers or Scotch tape down, i.e. envisioning the pockets/bubbles.
I just wanna drop a thank you cuz your vid on OC and UV on ryzen 7000 was my reference. Now I'm on negative 65 on my other cores and I'm not done yet 😂😂😂 It passes all the stress tests and idle test overnight.
@@Bongaboingy I bought some about 2 months ago, and just finally got around to applying it wensday, both gpu and cpu, it was way over due, since the paste on both was hard and cracked, The pad was slightly tacky, so it didn't move around. at idle, I have a 10+ degree drop, and 15+ drop under load.
I use the IC Graphite ones, they've survived hundreds of mountings. I literally just grab them and toss them on, no fancy handling. Temps are exactly the same as paste, the only way to get lower is delidding and liquid metal. The TG ones are really good for GPU's, I use them especially on the 7900XTX to reduce the hotspot temps. Captan tape around the die and plop on the 40x40mm and its good to go forever.
Great video, thanks for doing all of these and I've started bing watching! ;-) Just as an FYI - the Windows Pro and Office links above come back substantially higher than you have in quotes, Win 11 was $31 and Office 2021 Pro was ~$170. Maybe those were limited time deals?
Most of TG's products I like and have used, however I still have a beef with their description of the 'graphene' pad. As a producer of true graphene, stacking it in the Z axis as they describe is only accurate to describing graphite. Graphene is a single atomic layer thick, aka, invisible to the naked eye. Working with it in any other form than liquid suspension makes it extremely difficult to even figure out what you're doing. Now it may have some graphene infused into it, but that also means adhering it to a substrate, which in my R&D, means placing it on a far less thermally conductive adhesive or thin film application material. Other than solutions I make myself, production quality paste is still one of the better one-part solutions for most people. The reusable pad only works if your part clearance falls within the closure range of your parts; some of the coolers I've used that pad on will bottom out and leave the pad 'floating' without contact for lack of a better term. The kryosheet showed up for a test some time back and I was rather disappointed in its performance. Versus a fresh paste, there was no discernable performance difference. Naturally when I pulled the cooler up to check that it was still in place, it tore apart with a portion still on the cooler base and the rest on the IHS.
I did go for the pads and sheats. No need to reaply. So much easier! Just clean the dust from time to time and that is it! And so close to paste that difference is meaningless.
Sheet won't suffer drying out effect like paste so should be good for long term install without maintenance. Paste would need to be redone every few years to keep it effective IMO
I got a sheet of PTM7950 to try, ended up using it first on an Epyc CPU. Was initially more fiddly to work with than paste but not having to worry about die coverage (not that the chip I'm using it runs particularly hot) or having to potentially replace it in a few years makes me feel like it was worth the minimal bother getting it installed. Probably much more worthwhile on a chip that runs hot though as the whole point is the better thermal transfer over time.
Yep. Very sus with their original vs second results. The sheet was either slightly torn, it shifted when mounting the cold plate, or the cold plate pressure wasn't the same as the first time. Those are the only reasons there should have been any variance at all.
Thanks for the video; I've been building PCs since the 1980s and I've built hundreds. The first one I built was an Intel 286; In the forty years I've doing so I've never replaced thermal paste unless I was swapping the CPU or its cooling solution and I never had an issue with overheating computers. I clean all my PCs twice a year removing dust mainly.Thermal paste I leave alone. Over $20 for a square inch of thermal material puts the cost at $2880 for a square foot of the stuff; that is crazy expensive. I can buy three nVidia 4800 super GPUs for that kind of cash.
$20 for a cubic inch, maybe If you're paying $20 for a thin layer that's 1" by 1" layer, you're buying the wrong stuff from the wrong place MX-4 and MX-6 are probably $1.00-1.50 per application
thermal paste doesn't last forever, the wear depends on how much it was used and under what kind of temps it was used, a year ago i put noctua nt-h1 in my laptop, temps during gaming was 75 to 80°C, after a year it was 90 to 95 °C after repasting with the same stuff, temps back to where they used to be i guess the stuff stops being so thermally conductive after a while, or maybe after having transported a certain amount of thermal energy
In the case of systems that are going to be used long term without access to the internals. Or the user wants to not worry about thermal paste maintenance. The carbon pads are invaluable.
I use a paper towel corner, that was dipped into 90% ISO Alcohol. Wipes off in seconds. If in the pin slots, or wires going to socket, a alcohol soaked Q-tip gets those clean.
Depending on your use case, keep in mind that some of these things (paste included) are electrically conductive. If that touches something it's not supposed to, then you might lose a part or ten as a result. My AM5 build will also have one of those frames that basically flatten the CPU area by filling the gaps around it.
@@hornantuutti5157 last time I tried to decide on thermal compounds I distinctly remember seeing ones marked "conductive", so perhaps we're in a semantics problem as well.
@@pyromethiousThat's likely referring to heat conduction, rather than electric conduction. Ordinary thermal paste is not electrically conductive. It's good to make sure, though.
So have we decided on the best thermal paste patterns on the IHS? Choose between an "X", and "X" with a circle or square, concentric circles, or ONE BIG F-in blob in the center? Also have we decided on alternative pastes - toothpaste, epoxy A or B, #34 burnt umber paint, K-Y Jelly, or liquid steel?
An old plastic card such as an expired credit card, coffee filters and some strong IPA work very well to remove old thermal compound with minimum fuss.
For me it depends of what i need: pads are for situations on which i need not a huge thermal efficient solution but longer durability, thermal paste for efficient heat transfer but periodic (3 to 6 months) replacement and last: for other situations a mix of both. I have my own DIY thermal paste made of aluminum oxide, zinc oxide, liquid silicone and liquid vaseline with a bit of (tocopherol) vitamin E as preservative and if it is kept in a cool dark place can last for years without lose properties, it is reliable but not the best.
Paste and or pads pretty well run neck and neck - The real question is the heat pipe - how does it perform to transfer the heat away - And if the heat pipe is not performing the way it should - no amount of paste is going to matter or pads is going to make any difference. If the heat pipe is damaged in any way such as internal blockage then nothing else matters... A horse pulls a cart not pushes a cart...
There is one other thing to consider, the Carbonaut (the reusable one) being a carbon based reusable sheet, isnt susceptible to drying out, keeping its performance in the long run.
I haven't used paste for seven or eight years. The small difference in temperature is not worth the additional hassle factor, or the risk of the spread not quite going right. And they don't dry out and need replacing. Carbon pads are also much easier to use with the new oddly-shaped Ryzen chips.
i use occt to test the new (used parts) build i made for my son. it will stress everything to 100%. it is a little overkill, but i wanted to test it for a worse case senerio.
just be gentle when installing and the sheets should be reusable, main advantage i see is the 0 maintenance and relative ease of installation. no need to repaste after a couple yrs, no need to worry about coverage when applying nor the mess with the squeeze out.
I'd only consider using a thermal pad like cryonaut if I was testing out CPUs regularly, which I don't do currently. I don't mind the convenience of the less clean up using a thermal pad vs paste. Tho cost of the thermal solution is important to me as well. Chances are I'd likely still use paste as a thermal solution for CPU cooler mounting
Thermal paste does degrade over time - so once in a while you need to repaste to keep same thermal conductivity of the system. I think the idea with pads is that they are solid solution - they should maintain properties over time while offering similar or better heat conductivity. IMHO this makes KryoSheet ideal for GPU's. There is tons of Watts being pumped there with massive spikes and coolers have gazillion screws. Do it once - forget it, never worry about it again.
I use xtm50 thermal paste branded by corsair works pretty good lasts a long time.I have AIO in my 3 computers maybe next time I'll try themal pads see if any difference.
Nice review. My problem with a Carbonaut pad was that it had fused to my Ryzen 4750G after removing the cooler after a few weeks of use. A different cooler could be installed, but there was no removing the pad. I had to scrape it off.
The carbon fiber thermal pads seem best suited for people who are constantly rebuilding PC. The soft pads is more like thermal paste that's dryer and is already in a form that's easier to apply, but because of it's price it's best used for long-long-long term use for Grandma's PCs who won't doing regular maintenance with it anyway since I assume it lasts longer than thermal paste?
Grizzly paste $8 on my 5700x3d $180 XFX 7900XT $580 and thermalright peerless assassin $28 3d mark stress tess never broke 65c just lovely since last xmas coming up on a great one year anniversary.
It's not an "either or" situation. Pads and paste have different applications. They are not tradionally meant to replace each other. The problem comes when improperly used.
I use the Honeywell phase change pads, forgot the name, for the CPU/GPU, and K5-Pro for the other chips in my 10750H/2060RTX laptop, works great. Heard the Honeywells don't work well in desktops if the cooler keeps the chips too cool for it to change.
Makes no sense what you just said. If it wont change then temps rise and it eventually will. And cools down as it is supposed to do. Cant remember the temp where tpm starts to melt but i think it was around 40-60c wich is better than ok for cpu and gpu.
Just suggestions but maybe for better presentation it might be easier if the GPU is already unistalled and no ceiling fan causing flickering. Another suggestion would be maybe a larger case for ease of demonstrating?
I didn't notice the ceiling fan, sorry about that. It gets hot in the little room I'm in with all the studio lights on. Working on a fix for that right now that will hopefully be done shortly.
@@CyberCPU All good :) You have a great studio and a sharp eye for the small details is important for a professional look. Thanks for replying and look forward to watching more of your vids!
Hydronaut pumps out too quickly. I had to repaste it after a month on both CPU and GPU waterblocks. At least the sheets last longer, probably forever until you remove the block. Just reach for a PTM, lasts virtually forever and performs well. Honeywell PTM7950 or Thermal Grizzly’s PTM.
they work well.. i've got minus8 pad on my am4 chipset (under a DIY copper block) no more chipset fan ramping up and down all the time BIG WIN! ;p and my 5800x3d runs with the Kryosheet ;p no more termel paste on my pc only factory applied on graphic card ;p. so would work good on a GPU too?
I moved to sheets to avoid reapplication AND avoid potentially breaking a CPU with stuck thermal compound. For a little more money you get a worry-free, zero mess, more consistent application. Paste is for peasants. I love my Thermal Grizzles.
Hello and thank you for your testing these thermal sheets. I teach IT at a secondary vocational school in the Netherlands and every 1st year student has to build a pc from scratch. I use the Carbonaut sheets as an alternative to paste. We have about 80 builds and teardowns per schoolyear and using paste would create a mess and be pretty expensive.
The great advantage I found with these sheets, that when handled with some care we can do at least 50 cpu cooler swaps before the sheet starts to show visual degradation. This in addition with the ease of handling (especially for students building their 1st pc) makes it for me the perfect solution as a teacher.
I use the Intel Pentium Gold G6405 with the Intel stock cooler for the builds and the 32x32mm sheet works perfect. The cpu idles at around 34c (93.2F) when students boot into the UEFI.
I'll always use paste because it gives me a reason to clean the entire system :)
i clean my pc every couple of weeks because of my bird ;p, my pc eats the feathers and dont wanna fry it yet ;p
same, definitely seems to be the best practice overall
I have used KryoSheet several times repeatedly on intel 13600k and 14700k processors. There have been no problems with temperatures. Be very careful during installation so that the KryoSheet does not break, as it is very fragile. I used a sheet of paper to hold and move the KryoSheet. I highly recommend it from my own experience :)
TY on that.
Does it matter how hard you secure down the cooler? Like I usually screw it tight on thermal paste but can you still do this without the thermal pad splitting?
@@pearce_nz I install the cooling as strongly as with thermal paste. The harder the cooler is installed, the better the temperatures.
The only thing I would recommend is that the KryoSheet is cut to the same size as the size of the Cpu or a little larger. The more the edge is over, the more difficult it is to re-install later. I have managed to use the same KryoSheet at least 6 times and everything works perfectly and the temperatures are as good as before.
I’ve had a i7-6700k in place for 8 years of gaming that just started crashing. Anyway, today i learned that thermal paste needs to be refreshed every few years.
I have been using a IC Graphite thermal pad made by Innovation Cooling Since 2018 on my AM4 MB. I upgraded my CPU over a year ago and the pad worked exactly the same and I have not had any issues. I will never go back to paste. I mean with the cost of everything, what is $15 really. I built a second system and am using the same thing. Great Brand!
I value my time more than the extra cost of cryosheets, they're faster to build systems with and never having to replace them is HUGE. Also, don't forget consistency, there's no such thing as too much or too little paste with them, or an uneven application, all those variables are removed from the builds. Not to mention you get better thermals overall, which is always a plus.
They are expesiv ,for a simple non hi end PC I don't see the point
@@EXTREMOZAU Thermal pads like the Cryosheet or (Honeywell) PTM7950 (which is a phase-change material, that fills in microscopic gaps as it heats up in-use) are optimally one-and-done installations.
Thermal paste/thermal compound dries out over time and can generate air pockets as it ages (which is why you should replace it at least every 10 years, optimally every 5 years), whilst thermal pads are a no-mess no-clean alternative that lasts longer and performs as-well or better then thermal paste, that you should never have to touch once the CPU cooler or even GPU cooler is installed.
@@EXTREMOZAU they cost a fkin mcdonalds meal more than regular paste. for something that you will NEVER have to change its absolutely not just for enthusiasts
Too bad the Phase Sheets were not put into the mix to see how that compares.!
Always nice videos, keep it going!
Just want to add that it's not just about temperature, it's also heat transfer rate. Kryosheet has higher heat transfer rate which helps in overclocking stability. It is the reason I could have my 5900X stable at 4.4Ghz running Allcore workload vs the Artic MX4 which always had stability issues at 4.4Ghz. When I upgraded to the Artic Freezer III 360, the temps also dropped 10C on top of a 4.4Ghz Allcore.
For this reason alone, I bought the Kryosheet + spares because the Artic Freezer III was so hard to install in the AM4 bracket.
Hey, 5950x and Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420mm here, the AM4 mount wasn't so hard to install, all you had to do is to loosen the two mount plates when installing or screw them onto the cooler and install it like Liquid Freezer II cooler. Most people like blowing a scary bubble from the LF3 mounting 🥱
@@1sonyzz Sounds like a good tip. Will try it when I upgrade next year.
I'd like to also see the difference between these and the PTM7950. I'm tempted to pull the trigger for PTM7950 (Honeywell) as I also heard the more you use it the better it becomes overtime
I second the motion to make this video happen
Honeywell is a bit worser than paste, but not significantly and in long term, for example in laptops, it’s better solution for sure. Russians proved it. Search for vik-on channel if you dare, but it’s in russian.
I did install the PTM7950 in my 8 years old laptop few months ago, and if installed well the results are just amazing from the first day, and it's true that the thermal performance keep improving by use I mesure lower temperature than what I mesured the first week of install. Below are the improvements between my old thermal paste and the PTM7950 measured at Idle and under stress (latest CineBench and Superposition) :
CPU : Max -14° Min 0°
GPU : Max -4° Min 0°
I also added some minus8 thermal pads to VRMs and SSD, and here are the improvements :
SSD : Max -17° Min -6°
VRM : Max -10° Min -16°
Literally just switched to Honeywell ptm7950. It's not that expensive. Lowered my 14700k temps. 75c under full load. Mx4 and tf7 would hit 100c under load. Make the switch.
I got ptm on steamdeck and -10 celsius compared to paste. Really good stuff
I’ve done some testing with KryoSheet on GPU’s and they do great when used directly on the die. Usually as good as a premium past. The sheets keep the temps low while the paste starts to pump out and get higher temps over time.
I just repasted my GPU this weekend and noticed a lot of it had pushed out. The only reason I took it apart is because I broke the loop down and water accidentally dripped between the block and the card. So I had to tear it apart to make sure it was dry. I should have tried using a pad instead. Maybe next time.
@@CyberCPUI'm sorry.
Why do all thermal paste reviewers say that there should be a minimum of it between adjacent surfaces, and then complain about it being squeezed out?
@@ДмитрийКа-я6б: That is a really good question.
I see the same thing in woodworking. With glue, a
little squeeze out is good, It shows complete coverage
of the material but a large amount of squeeze out
shows you have created a "layer" of glue, which will
be a weakness. (and you have wasted glue)
With the thermal paste "a little" is OK but I don't think
that should be visible, until you actually tighten the
cooler down. If you see squeeze out, when you set the
on, you have too much. I don't like the idea of using a
patterned application. I prefer spreading a thin coat.
No mess, no waste. Just my opinion. 😁✌🖖
How does it perform in hotspot temps to gpu temp? 12c is the best I can get with paste while a 3090 I have I can’t get better than 20c. Which has me considering the pad
@@ДмитрийКа-я6б because it gets squeezed out during heating but is not getting sucked back in during cooling, therefore an air gap is created where paste is supposed to be
I am just a casual builder (2 thus far and current system is i7-2600K) however considering a new system since Windows 10 is about over and newer system with newer technology to work with Windows 11 or 12 by that time.
What I like about considering the thermal sheets, is the idea of install and forget, no more repasting since I don’t do much gaming and continuing heat dissipation to the AIO water cooler. I generally render video’s then burn to DVD/Blu-Ray and a newer system would be so much faster processing the rendering etc., and don’t add/remove additional item’s later to the computer, more of long term build.
Always good topic’s to share from a more expertise guru, keep it going! Lots of Fun!
I think these are unnecessarily expensive. I would have just go with a trusted brand and simple ones; most people would recommend Noctua NT-H1 and NT-H2 or Arctic MX-6 which are claimed many times that easily lasts over 5+ years, even up to 10 years. You don't need regular thermal paste maintenance until your CPU hits over 90C under constant 100% fan speed. Only then you may need to re-apply the paste, but before that, just clean case's dust filters, because most of the times the issue is dust clogging the filters and building up on the fans, and worst case scenario on the heatsinks; because when you take the heatsink off from the CPU to clean, it is recommended to re-apply a thermal paste even if it's not dried yet; so the problem might not be the thermal paste if PC is all dusty.
My current case is an old one, Cooler Master HAF-XB (HAF means High Airflow); a small cubic case with big mesh on the both sides and top, only having a dust filter on the bottom and front, which is hard to clean; so, while the air runs free from all sides for better cooling, but dust accumulates over fans if left unattended over a year. Tho it was worse when I was still smoking and kept the windows open; it's better now since I quit smoking and installed AC for hot summer days instead of relying on the wide open windows and an electric fan that never stop running for months. But PC still pulls some dust from environment because the case lacking dust filters. I am using the same case over 10+ years. Because I am lazy like you to maintain my PC, I am looking to change my PC case with newer and bigger one with no big open mesh and easy-to-clean magnetic dust filters (I have my eyes on Lian Li EVO XL for some time but it's 350 USD here which I can't do atm for someone who can save 40$ per month at most, I just bought an upgrade for my CPU which was 99 USD which is Ryzen 5600, lower TDP values, lower energy consumption, and hopfully lower heat production and more quiet PC). What I am trying to say is, keeping your PC dust free is more important to keep it cooler; and by doing so, your thermal paste would last even longer.
Kolay gelsin.
@ thanks for your thoughts and take for using thermal pads on the cpu. Have a great week!
I prefer and use Carbonaut. I changed two processors and three coolings. It is still intact and works flawlessly. From this point of view, it turned out to be cheaper than thermal paste ;)
P.p. I also tried the first and second placement, but it didn't give me a single degree of difference. 5 uses already and still as good. No smudging, no drying
Pretty nice that the pads worked so well, I thought there would be a bigger difference.
98% Isopropyl is my go to for cleaning thermal compound. Makes a messy job a lot less messy.
I've used coffee filters to clean off my CPUs, it works surprisingly well and without any liquid.
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As long as it's not Better Help or manscaped or Hello Fresh 😂
For enthusiasts who have too much money. The good old MX4 remains my number 1. The video was great.
I don't think enthusiasts go for pads; I always felt like pads for newbie builders for those who scare to make a mistake by applying too little or too much termal paste. Old school builders have their own signature ways to apply thermal paste they can't give up that easily. And richer enthusiasts that are bravier than regular enthusiasts would use liquid metal because money gives a lot of courage to try new things and make mistakes, look at Linus, I have never see him not spill coolant on electronics, everytime he lay his hands to custom water cooling he burst liquid everywhere.
@@Haplo-sanagree with the Liquid Metal point, people preach it but I just don’t see the benefits over the risks. The fact that it can short stuff if you make a mistake is enough to keep me on pastes.
Great video, I change my thermal paste maybe once a year 'maybe', so for only a couple of degrees and much more money, I agree totally with you, paste it is!!!
The thing OI like is a solution where you can set it and forget it.. No worrying about paste drying out. To me that's worth the mucking around😵💫. Thanks. Cheers
I've been using gig-a-loo and a paper towel to clean up the paste from my CPUs for years. Works a treat for me.
I also use an old credit card to apply the paste - I need the film to be as thin (and equal) as can be. It's so easy to clean the card afterwards - I can use the same paper towel I used to clean my setup. No waste!
I’ve had a kryosheet going since they came out. So far so good :)
Great video, small note, would have liked it even more if there was a 4th option( third party paste, dunno, mx 4-5, noctua or generic ebay paste ... etc).
I used my first pad on the i9 14900k.
I don’t overclock but have bench things numerous times. I installed it 7 months ago, mine actually ran a 2c lower but I think had a bad paste job so I can’t attribute the drop to the pad.
7 months, temps have been consistent
Idle 30c. MW3 after hours of play, 60c in game.
I am building my son a case. Regardless of being happy with the pad, I am pasting new PC.
I have been the Kryosheet of the last few builds that I have done and I think what you are missing is that you don't have to re-paste and if you tested a system with a Kryrosheet after a couple years it will be the same as when built, whereas paste will slow go down over time. Also, since most people can't agree on how much paste to use the sheets just life easier. Pay a little more up front have the same performance till dismantle or replace the system several years later, or save a few dollars on the paste, but spend an hour of your time once every couple of years to re-paste your CPU, and I am sure an hour or even a half of your time is worth more than the $20 you save between the two solutions. Anyways great video, informative, but you should consider a long term test, it might take a year or two to make it but I think the results will surprise you.
These sheets are interesting.. FWIW, I recently picked up some PTM 7950 to try out on my 5900X and it's definitely outperforming my previous MX-6 paste by a small margin, even right out of the box. I'm not doing super scientific testing, but I did see a drop of a couple C, while also measuring one or two decibels lower from my fan curves, after a day or two of use. I have a second application worth, so I'm going to put it on my 9800X3D, whenever it shows up.
I used a KryoSheet with a Ryzen 9950x and a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE air cooler. Mostly I went with the KryoSheet to avoid cleaning thermal paste goop around the oddly shaped IHS, and because performance reviews said it mostly matches the capabilities of paste. That's my experience so far with the toasty 9950x.
Love the shirt!
My son just bought me a BSOD shirt. Best gift ever!
There's a link in the description if you want one. 😉
Impressive result from the Kryosheet pad! It's nice to see some innovation in thermal pad design...I do watch Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed, and Der Bauer a lot though, so I am definitely biased!
If I used pads, I'd suggest to place down at an angle or roll it down to prevent air pockets from getting caught. Same while placing the heat sink. Like putting stickers or Scotch tape down, i.e. envisioning the pockets/bubbles.
I've thought about trying those sheets, but I can't justify the cost. Paste just works, and 15 minutes of work once every few years is fine by me.
Pads are great when testing processors where you are taking processors in and out.
I just wanna drop a thank you cuz your vid on OC and UV on ryzen 7000 was my reference.
Now I'm on negative 65 on my other cores and I'm not done yet 😂😂😂
It passes all the stress tests and idle test overnight.
would have liked to see how PTM7950 compared
better than all of these but slightly by two or 3 degrees
@@Bongaboingy I bought some about 2 months ago, and just finally got around to applying it wensday, both gpu and cpu, it was way over due, since the paste on both was hard and cracked, The pad was slightly tacky, so it didn't move around. at idle, I have a 10+ degree drop, and 15+ drop under load.
I use the IC Graphite ones, they've survived hundreds of mountings. I literally just grab them and toss them on, no fancy handling. Temps are exactly the same as paste, the only way to get lower is delidding and liquid metal. The TG ones are really good for GPU's, I use them especially on the 7900XTX to reduce the hotspot temps. Captan tape around the die and plop on the 40x40mm and its good to go forever.
Great video, thanks for doing all of these and I've started bing watching! ;-) Just as an FYI - the Windows Pro and Office links above come back substantially higher than you have in quotes, Win 11 was $31 and Office 2021 Pro was ~$170. Maybe those were limited time deals?
Thank you! very timely review sir! i just bought my first pads to try out. new subscriber as well.
Most of TG's products I like and have used, however I still have a beef with their description of the 'graphene' pad. As a producer of true graphene, stacking it in the Z axis as they describe is only accurate to describing graphite. Graphene is a single atomic layer thick, aka, invisible to the naked eye. Working with it in any other form than liquid suspension makes it extremely difficult to even figure out what you're doing. Now it may have some graphene infused into it, but that also means adhering it to a substrate, which in my R&D, means placing it on a far less thermally conductive adhesive or thin film application material. Other than solutions I make myself, production quality paste is still one of the better one-part solutions for most people. The reusable pad only works if your part clearance falls within the closure range of your parts; some of the coolers I've used that pad on will bottom out and leave the pad 'floating' without contact for lack of a better term.
The kryosheet showed up for a test some time back and I was rather disappointed in its performance. Versus a fresh paste, there was no discernable performance difference. Naturally when I pulled the cooler up to check that it was still in place, it tore apart with a portion still on the cooler base and the rest on the IHS.
I did go for the pads and sheats. No need to reaply. So much easier!
Just clean the dust from time to time and that is it!
And so close to paste that difference is meaningless.
Sheet won't suffer drying out effect like paste so should be good for long term install without maintenance. Paste would need to be redone every few years to keep it effective IMO
I got a sheet of PTM7950 to try, ended up using it first on an Epyc CPU. Was initially more fiddly to work with than paste but not having to worry about die coverage (not that the chip I'm using it runs particularly hot) or having to potentially replace it in a few years makes me feel like it was worth the minimal bother getting it installed. Probably much more worthwhile on a chip that runs hot though as the whole point is the better thermal transfer over time.
I have the Kryosheet, you can reuse it, if the sheet is in good shape.
Yep. Very sus with their original vs second results. The sheet was either slightly torn, it shifted when mounting the cold plate, or the cold plate pressure wasn't the same as the first time. Those are the only reasons there should have been any variance at all.
Thanks for the video; I've been building PCs since the 1980s and I've built hundreds. The first one I built was an Intel 286; In the forty years I've doing so I've never replaced thermal paste unless I was swapping the CPU or its cooling solution and I never had an issue with overheating computers. I clean all my PCs twice a year removing dust mainly.Thermal paste I leave alone. Over $20 for a square inch of thermal material puts the cost at $2880 for a square foot of the stuff; that is crazy expensive. I can buy three nVidia 4800 super GPUs for that kind of cash.
$20 for a cubic inch, maybe
If you're paying $20 for a thin layer that's 1" by 1" layer, you're buying the wrong stuff from the wrong place
MX-4 and MX-6 are probably $1.00-1.50 per application
thermal paste doesn't last forever, the wear depends on how much it was used and under what kind of temps it was used, a year ago i put noctua nt-h1 in my laptop, temps during gaming was 75 to 80°C, after a year it was 90 to 95 °C
after repasting with the same stuff, temps back to where they used to be
i guess the stuff stops being so thermally conductive after a while, or maybe after having transported a certain amount of thermal energy
I think it just dries out a little bit at a time especially at higher temperatures. When it dries out it becomes less thermally conductive.
In the case of systems that are going to be used long term without access to the internals. Or the user wants to not worry about thermal paste maintenance. The carbon pads are invaluable.
I use a paper towel corner, that was dipped into 90% ISO Alcohol. Wipes off in seconds. If in the pin slots, or wires going to socket, a alcohol soaked Q-tip gets those clean.
I reckon biggest call for thermal pads is elimination of dryout which occurs with paste.
Depending on your use case, keep in mind that some of these things (paste included) are electrically conductive. If that touches something it's not supposed to, then you might lose a part or ten as a result. My AM5 build will also have one of those frames that basically flatten the CPU area by filling the gaps around it.
Liquid metal is like that. Thermal paste will not cause issues. Not conductive.
@@hornantuutti5157 last time I tried to decide on thermal compounds I distinctly remember seeing ones marked "conductive", so perhaps we're in a semantics problem as well.
@@pyromethiousThat's likely referring to heat conduction, rather than electric conduction. Ordinary thermal paste is not electrically conductive. It's good to make sure, though.
Started using the kyrosheets with my new build and the thermals are the same if not better. I like not having to replace the paste.
used kryosheets on my laptop - a Lenovo legion 5 with a 5800h and a 3070 and it made temps cooler overall
Very nice video. I found out to very relevant. thank you for the informative video.
So have we decided on the best thermal paste patterns on the IHS? Choose between an "X", and "X" with a circle or square, concentric circles, or ONE BIG F-in blob in the center? Also have we decided on alternative pastes - toothpaste, epoxy A or B, #34 burnt umber paint, K-Y Jelly, or liquid steel?
LOL, I've been using Artic SIlver since it was invented, never felt the need for anything else, and yea, it can be messy. Cryosheet looks interesting.
An old plastic card such as an expired credit card, coffee filters and some strong IPA work very well to remove old thermal compound with minimum fuss.
Fantastic video. Thanks!
For me it depends of what i need: pads are for situations on which i need not a huge thermal efficient solution but longer durability, thermal paste for efficient heat transfer but periodic (3 to 6 months) replacement and last: for other situations a mix of both. I have my own DIY thermal paste made of aluminum oxide, zinc oxide, liquid silicone and liquid vaseline with a bit of (tocopherol) vitamin E as preservative and if it is kept in a cool dark place can last for years without lose properties, it is reliable but not the best.
Paste and or pads pretty well run neck and neck - The real question is the heat pipe - how does it perform to transfer the heat away - And if the heat pipe is not performing the way it should - no amount of paste is going to matter or pads is going to make any difference. If the heat pipe is damaged in any way such as internal blockage then nothing else matters... A horse pulls a cart not pushes a cart...
I use KPX and I have no complaints
Install Thermal Grizzly - KryoSheet once in grandsons gaming computer and will not have to worry about it drying out.
They also say the sheets will do better the more cycles they have on them.
nice detail in your review.
I can it has a very usable case specially on consoles like ps4 it not drying is big bonus since consoles aren't meant to be opened often
Well do to me getting reminded just now to look into my paste after about 8 years, next time it will be a cryosheet for me for sure
There is one other thing to consider, the Carbonaut (the reusable one) being a carbon based reusable sheet, isnt susceptible to drying out, keeping its performance in the long run.
I haven't used paste for seven or eight years. The small difference in temperature is not worth the additional hassle factor, or the risk of the spread not quite going right. And they don't dry out and need replacing.
Carbon pads are also much easier to use with the new oddly-shaped Ryzen chips.
I’ve replaced the thermal paste on my Mac mini a ton of times and sadly the stupid thing is always running hot. This might be a better option.
Great video, thank you.
Very nice, and thank you. Gave me some guidance. (new sub)
Have you tried the Honeywell PTM 7950 pads?
i use occt to test the new (used parts) build i made for my son. it will stress everything to 100%. it is a little overkill, but i wanted to test it for a worse case senerio.
This was very helpful. Thanks!
Thanks - Useful information.
PTM is excellent but is still beaten by Coursair XTM70. That stuff is almost as good as early thermal metal pastes, but with zero conductivity issues.
Also a one and one option, never take the heatsink off and just clean it out on occasion (dust) until something dies.
just be gentle when installing and the sheets should be reusable, main advantage i see is the 0 maintenance and relative ease of installation. no need to repaste after a couple yrs, no need to worry about coverage when applying nor the mess with the squeeze out.
I'd only consider using a thermal pad like cryonaut if I was testing out CPUs regularly, which I don't do currently. I don't mind the convenience of the less clean up using a thermal pad vs paste. Tho cost of the thermal solution is important to me as well. Chances are I'd likely still use paste as a thermal solution for CPU cooler mounting
Thermal paste does degrade over time - so once in a while you need to repaste to keep same thermal conductivity of the system. I think the idea with pads is that they are solid solution - they should maintain properties over time while offering similar or better heat conductivity. IMHO this makes KryoSheet ideal for GPU's. There is tons of Watts being pumped there with massive spikes and coolers have gazillion screws. Do it once - forget it, never worry about it again.
Great video, I've learnd something today, I'll stay with the paste LOL.
I use xtm50 thermal paste branded by corsair works pretty good lasts a long time.I have AIO in my 3 computers maybe next time I'll try themal pads see if any difference.
Great video :) thanks for sharing.
More meaningful n accurate comparison is with same constant room temperature, was it?
Im currently using PTM7950 on my 5800X3D. I notice much tighter spread between core temps and also lower idle temps compared to MX5
I use KryoSheet. if your carefull and dont rip it you can use it again. So it is not correct what Thermal Grizzly tells you. Btw, rags can be washed.
Nice review. My problem with a Carbonaut pad was that it had fused to my Ryzen 4750G after removing the cooler after a few weeks of use. A different cooler could be installed, but there was no removing the pad. I had to scrape it off.
thanks for the heads up
thanks
PCM pad for me, just one application for lifetime.
The carbon fiber thermal pads seem best suited for people who are constantly rebuilding PC. The soft pads is more like thermal paste that's dryer and is already in a form that's easier to apply, but because of it's price it's best used for long-long-long term use for Grandma's PCs who won't doing regular maintenance with it anyway since I assume it lasts longer than thermal paste?
Grizzly paste $8 on my 5700x3d $180 XFX 7900XT $580 and thermalright peerless assassin $28 3d mark stress tess never broke 65c just lovely since last xmas coming up on a great one year anniversary.
It's not an "either or" situation. Pads and paste have different applications. They are not tradionally meant to replace each other. The problem comes when improperly used.
I use the Honeywell phase change pads, forgot the name, for the CPU/GPU, and K5-Pro for the other chips in my 10750H/2060RTX laptop, works great. Heard the Honeywells don't work well in desktops if the cooler keeps the chips too cool for it to change.
Makes no sense what you just said. If it wont change then temps rise and it eventually will. And cools down as it is supposed to do. Cant remember the temp where tpm starts to melt but i think it was around 40-60c wich is better than ok for cpu and gpu.
@hornantuutti5157 it's just something I heard.
Those carbonaut pads looks really solid. Would like to look into it js to keep a new cpu cleaner.
Only a but hesitant cuz the pads are electrically conductive.
Just suggestions but maybe for better presentation it might be easier if the GPU is already unistalled and no ceiling fan causing flickering. Another suggestion would be maybe a larger case for ease of demonstrating?
I didn't notice the ceiling fan, sorry about that. It gets hot in the little room I'm in with all the studio lights on. Working on a fix for that right now that will hopefully be done shortly.
@@CyberCPU All good :) You have a great studio and a sharp eye for the small details is important for a professional look. Thanks for replying and look forward to watching more of your vids!
Hydronaut pumps out too quickly. I had to repaste it after a month on both CPU and GPU waterblocks. At least the sheets last longer, probably forever until you remove the block. Just reach for a PTM, lasts virtually forever and performs well. Honeywell PTM7950 or Thermal Grizzly’s PTM.
Should review ptm7950 and see what is its performance
I guess someone must be buying those sheets
I just stick to Arctic MX-4...Nice video thou. Greetings from sweden.
Thanks
You forgot the PTM7950.
they work well.. i've got minus8 pad on my am4 chipset (under a DIY copper block) no more chipset fan ramping up and down all the time BIG WIN! ;p and my 5800x3d runs with the Kryosheet ;p no more termel paste on my pc only factory applied on graphic card ;p. so would work good on a GPU too?
6:54 man just did magic 🎩
I moved to sheets to avoid reapplication AND avoid potentially breaking a CPU with stuck thermal compound. For a little more money you get a worry-free, zero mess, more consistent application. Paste is for peasants. I love my Thermal Grizzles.
Love the T shirt, dude! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 😁✌🖖
that beard swinging is mesmerizing ;D