the game had me hooked the moment i started it. honestly i just entered the lab(training) and figured stuff out for hours. very rewarding with all the shenanigans all the chars can pull. i hope that too many, too weird characters wont make some matchups incomprehensible but honestly i will be there for it :D
The thing about movement in platform fighters is so true. I bought a switch 'cause I was enamored by ultimate, and I sold it after less than a year of having the console and playing the game 'cause I felt like I was trying to run under water and with weights on. Since you talked about niche fighting games, I'd love to see you talk about Arcana Heart 3 and Soku, they're pretty cool little games that deserve a bit more atention
For melee and pm players: it’s possible there may be a transition period for relearning mechanical skills. But I’ve heard that they’ve designed the inputs for tech like wavedashing and shield dropping so the simplest input works with some room so the inputs used for those techs in melee’s engine would transfer over. (I believe it was the same in RoA1 at least for the wavedash input)
@@KlineFGC yeah I got the Spooky Alt the other day :3, she has some fun set ups and movement capabilities. One fun fact is that if you full charge her up strong, the arrow will actually come back down after a few seconds. Makes it pretty fun for a bit of passive stage control and keeping safe
I've also sceptic on the shields, grabs and ledge grabs. I liked the simplicity of Rivals 1, and the uniqueness from smash. Are you saying that these changes are worth it? I may give it a try
I used to grind smash ultimate during covid era. I been game hopping since and just got down to guilty gear xrd recently. I tried rivals 2 really nice game but i dont think that i will play it. Btw the full game should have keyboard support
1 really bad thing about RoA2 is aerial combos. They removed whiff lag but still kept the high hitstun so stuff like spaming 1 aerial over and over again is optimal punishing
That's the same thing as rivals 1. It's just auto L canceling. If you look at game play of good people no one just spams 1 move like this. If you find someone doing it to you it's because you don't know how to stop it
I really hate that you can't tilt during a dash. You can smash, or special, or jump, or shield, or literally everything but the one thing I actually want to do. Makes playing clairen feel SO much worse IMO. This comes from someone that doesn't play melee or PM or rivals 1 and really just wants a game thats like smash ultimate, but without shitty online and baked in delay. Still having a lot of fun despite the dash issue and CC just being lame as hell although I'm abusing it.
The best way to fix this issue quick is getting used to wave dashing before your tilts. It's easier for me cause I come from a Melee and PM background but it's not too hard to get used to it Rivals 2 especially with easier wavedashes.
@@fluffybug229 I know about wavedashing and babydashing instead, but it just shouldn't be mandatory to move forward and tilt. It's just too basic of a function to put behind tech.
@AWanderingSwordsman I mean fundamentally then this just comes down to a disagreement between you and the designers then. In my opinion, it makes sense for the game to put these options behind very accessible tech because your tilts are your best moves usually and inputting them when running might be both too powerful while also de-emphasizing the core tech that I enjoy. To you, it probably feels like a quality of life feature that the game feels incomplete without and I'm honestly pretty sure that's just cause we play different games with different rules that we have become used to and prefer over time.
Keep in mind, wavedashing is easier in RoA2, no need to stagger the jump/dodge inputs, inputting them at the same time and holding a full direction will give you a WD
@@azimuth9819 This might be a controller thing (Which I gonna be mad about cause I just bought it) but I cant for my life get a wavedash by inputting them at the same time (Its also not a melee like controller but just a more standard one). Its been frustrating the crap out of me because everyone says just wavedash its easy, and I dont seem to be able to perform it consistently haha. Not real melee experience or r1 btw, but trying to get into the game, I been using wireless mode of the controller so I been wondering if that may be affecting the result, because I just re-tested it after seeing this video and it looks like I need to input Jump first before the shield for me to be able to perform the wavedash somewhat consistently, cause if I press all at the same time I just end up like shield jumping or something
the game had me hooked the moment i started it. honestly i just entered the lab(training) and figured stuff out for hours. very rewarding with all the shenanigans all the chars can pull. i hope that too many, too weird characters wont make some matchups incomprehensible but honestly i will be there for it :D
The thing about movement in platform fighters is so true. I bought a switch 'cause I was enamored by ultimate, and I sold it after less than a year of having the console and playing the game 'cause I felt like I was trying to run under water and with weights on.
Since you talked about niche fighting games, I'd love to see you talk about Arcana Heart 3 and Soku, they're pretty cool little games that deserve a bit more atention
I'll add them to the list, I've had a few people in my discord talk about Soku, so that might get checked out somewhat soon
For melee and pm players: it’s possible there may be a transition period for relearning mechanical skills. But I’ve heard that they’ve designed the inputs for tech like wavedashing and shield dropping so the simplest input works with some room so the inputs used for those techs in melee’s engine would transfer over.
(I believe it was the same in RoA1 at least for the wavedash input)
I am so excited for Rivals 2. Cannot wait for noon tomorrow when I get to play it again at launch
I've been a big fan of fleet, ever since the first beta and every time I play, I like her more and more.
She is really cool, I've been tempted to play her just because she has some awesome skins lol
@@KlineFGC yeah I got the Spooky Alt the other day :3, she has some fun set ups and movement capabilities. One fun fact is that if you full charge her up strong, the arrow will actually come back down after a few seconds. Makes it pretty fun for a bit of passive stage control and keeping safe
it's pretty dope
I can needle camp, instantly an 11/10
This game is sick
Not as sick as your chipp
@@KlineFGC
I've also sceptic on the shields, grabs and ledge grabs. I liked the simplicity of Rivals 1, and the uniqueness from smash. Are you saying that these changes are worth it? I may give it a try
I used to grind smash ultimate during covid era. I been game hopping since and just got down to guilty gear xrd recently. I tried rivals 2 really nice game but i dont think that i will play it. Btw the full game should have keyboard support
I'm hoping for a big controller support patch, my LBX doesn't seem to work with the game and I love that controller.
my keyboard works fine on rivals 2
bruh the walk mod in controls is literally for keyboards
Okay i gotta give the game a try with keyboard again because the demo launch got no keyboard support
@@plushpupper9329 yes and its bad, they already had the better solution in the first game: double tap to dash
My only problem is that every time someone put me out of the arena, it's like I struggle to keep my character from drowning.😂
1 really bad thing about RoA2 is aerial combos. They removed whiff lag but still kept the high hitstun so stuff like spaming 1 aerial over and over again is optimal punishing
Ohh, yea now that you say that I can definitely see it.
That's GOOD for me!! My ass LOVES hitting the same move!!
That's the same thing as rivals 1. It's just auto L canceling. If you look at game play of good people no one just spams 1 move like this. If you find someone doing it to you it's because you don't know how to stop it
@@BrooklynSkateUSA I agree
@@BrooklynSkateUSA lmao stop with what? Combo are just so free and dumb they choose whatever moves they want.
I love it but its so hard to play!
Wave dash everywhere and have relentless punish game and you'll be at least plat.
Just keep grinding and I'm sure you'll become sick 🙏
I really hate that you can't tilt during a dash. You can smash, or special, or jump, or shield, or literally everything but the one thing I actually want to do. Makes playing clairen feel SO much worse IMO. This comes from someone that doesn't play melee or PM or rivals 1 and really just wants a game thats like smash ultimate, but without shitty online and baked in delay.
Still having a lot of fun despite the dash issue and CC just being lame as hell although I'm abusing it.
The best way to fix this issue quick is getting used to wave dashing before your tilts. It's easier for me cause I come from a Melee and PM background but it's not too hard to get used to it Rivals 2 especially with easier wavedashes.
@@fluffybug229 I know about wavedashing and babydashing instead, but it just shouldn't be mandatory to move forward and tilt. It's just too basic of a function to put behind tech.
@AWanderingSwordsman I mean fundamentally then this just comes down to a disagreement between you and the designers then. In my opinion, it makes sense for the game to put these options behind very accessible tech because your tilts are your best moves usually and inputting them when running might be both too powerful while also de-emphasizing the core tech that I enjoy. To you, it probably feels like a quality of life feature that the game feels incomplete without and I'm honestly pretty sure that's just cause we play different games with different rules that we have become used to and prefer over time.
Keep in mind, wavedashing is easier in RoA2, no need to stagger the jump/dodge inputs, inputting them at the same time and holding a full direction will give you a WD
@@azimuth9819 This might be a controller thing (Which I gonna be mad about cause I just bought it) but I cant for my life get a wavedash by inputting them at the same time (Its also not a melee like controller but just a more standard one). Its been frustrating the crap out of me because everyone says just wavedash its easy, and I dont seem to be able to perform it consistently haha.
Not real melee experience or r1 btw, but trying to get into the game, I been using wireless mode of the controller so I been wondering if that may be affecting the result, because I just re-tested it after seeing this video and it looks like I need to input Jump first before the shield for me to be able to perform the wavedash somewhat consistently, cause if I press all at the same time I just end up like shield jumping or something