It’s interesting hearing ult players opinions on zetterburn vs melee players. It feels like ult players think he’s great but has reasonable flaws that keep him from being a top 3 character. Melee players think zetterburn is the craziest character ever made.
funny thing is both are wrong, it's clear maypul and wrastor are a tier on their own, provided they remain the same as in the demo, is just that both are really hard to use.
@@zarekodynski9077 bruh why are you responding to me, I didn't say anything about zetterburn, if anything, I think placing him in top 3 or 5 is more than reasonable, but it's obvious that maypul and wrastor are far and ahead the best characters in the game, with either being the best, depending on the matchup spread you can make an argument for either, I think him having the easiest kill confirm with dacus and just being extremely solid is a good argument for top 3, but as the game goes on, it's likely that another one of the top tiers can take his place, orcane, ranno, forsburn, you can make an argument that any of them are top 3, I think the only placement people can agree on is loxodont, just because he has a lack of sauce, he doesn't really have any outstanding gimmick that allows him to feel broken in some aspect, unlike the rest of the cast, even kragg who is just as weak as loxodont has a gimmick that makes him feel like he is better than what he appears (even though he isnt).
@@zarekodynski9077 you do know you can respond to people by clicking the respond label next to the like and dislike button right? you made a mistake man, just own to it, is not a big deal geez.
Legitimately 50% of my stocks are lost because I accidentally run off stage, and because she's so fast I realize I ran off when she's already on the respawn platform.
You're take on Zetterburn is so real, every single one I've fought has just been mashing their heart out lol, they won't be playing this game for long if they keep it up, the hand pain will get them swiftly
@@Lipbeat that's not what that is. confirmation bias is seeking out information that already validates your beliefs, then using it as a source to justify your beliefs. i.e. Conspiracy theorists ignoring the mountains of rational explanations and latching onto any evidence that points to their conspiracy being reality. They just said they liked that a top player's opinion aligned with their own. You don't have to be a pseudo intellectual tool about it.
@@harbingercri9667aren’t most youtube commenters pseudo intellectual tools tho? Most of them read to me like children that just learned the concept they’re being smug about. Ignore them and/or laugh at them, they are always the best options.
He put him at the top not as the best but as one of the "best to play", He makes the distinction early in the video. He says he doesn't think Clairen is one of the best characters overall.
I think you're not the only one, and I also didn't hear him say anything about best to play, but that nuts, considering that he made it very clear that he had enough hours to put a tier list together, which is wild, you can't have it both ways.
@@ZeroillusionX"I wouldn't put Clairen at Top 2 or even Top 3 ... but she's definitely one of the best characters *to play*" not even 90 seconds into the video man
I love loxodant, i think hes broken but.... i cant name any other character that is worse than him 😂 so its kinda a paradox and coming from smash he would be broken cause hes just dededee but fast and with a comand grab and tech chase grab. So hes great but everyone else is greater
@@OddRick3113 You're right. It's more like pyra and ganon combined. Same up special as pyra, same side special as ganon, same animations for up smash and forward smash. Same throw animations too. Aside from the special lava downthrow. It's basically faster ganon but with the lava charge gimic
Your logic of not understanding everything so for now looking at their weakness creates a logical list whether the perspective is actually right or not. I respect your way of trying to make it make sense because if you happen to be right about said logic, it would be more difficult for the list to not be right.
Fl is actually a genius way to tier characters who are bad, but are actually really freaking good sometimes. It's the kind of tier that I'd put Incineroar in lol
As a long time Forsburn player since Rivals 1 and playing him in Rivals 2, it still baffles me how all the Smash players are collectively calling Forsburn bad. I feel like they just aren't playing him properly, because when you truly feel in tune with the character you just win neutral for free sometimes since you can bait free approaches and your normals just carry your playstyle with safe pokes and hard punishes with insane edgeguarding potential.
I'm a Forsburn main from ROA1 too, but disagree. Many other characters can do the same, but the others have a plus, like Clairen who always lands hits for free and with extra hitlag, for example.
@@M31AndromedaI mean Forsburn does have a plus, just in neutral states rather than advantage. Disrupting your opponent's ability to know where you are is inherently really strong. Of course, though, it's still arguably harder to make use of given the reliance on mindgames. There's a reason Fors has been almost exclusively balanced around CakeAssault for the past 6+ years @_@
That dagger's additional range + the speed is really nothing to scoff at. As an Orcane player, approaching a good Forsburn is one of the most frustrating experiences.
This game is a breath of fresh air for the genre. Good mechanics, fun and stable online play, it does not try in wring every last bit of money out of you. MVS could learn a thing or twelve from this game.
In my opinion, the reason you don’t see as much of Wrastor/Maypul as Clairen/Ranno is that Clairen and Ranno feel very familiar to anyone who has played Smash. You can just pretend you’re playing Marth or Sheik and do pretty well immediately with Clairen or Ranno. Wrastor and Maypul require you to pretty much start from square one, but I think those characters could very well have the highest ceilings
ranno is the most broken character in the game by far and eventually everyone will come to realize, braindead easy combos, a kill off of grab, a great recovery, the best frame data in the game
I just started playing this game blind the day after launch. Maypul is an abomination even in silver, but i counter pick him with claren. I'm gonna keep maining Fleet and counterpicking with claren though because buffs and nerfs happen so rearranging my strategy based on tier lists this early would be foolish of me. Another thing I want to say is I think this game should have pretty good mass appeal and I wish I was seeing more movement from non smash players about this game. Simply because the netcode is so good.
Ah, I love broken rushdown characters on release. They are either played by crayon-eating spammers that wonder why they can’t make it to plat by just pressing attack in all interactions, all of the time, or godlike players who will delete your stocks in 40 seconds. Either way, it feels so insufferable to play against.
I feel like a lot of the characters that are easy to pick up will fall out of favor down the line. Similar to how Inkling was top tier on year one of Ult. I still think Clairen is good, but not S+. As people get better at edgeguarding she will fall to S or A+, IMO.
They know how to parry and space lol. I feel like the rushdown characters seem unbeatable unless you master parrying and edge guarding. I started climbing against zetterburns by pressing parry as soon as they touch my shield. Lo and behold, they were already spamming shine. Same with maypul. Have won most of my games against maypuls because empty hopping to bait their dumb dash attack and even parry the second hit is free damage.
If you turn on Dpad movement, it should be playable at least, but yeah not ideal due to missing the analog joystick input. You might look into how to replicate a smash boxx style layout on keyboard if you are serious about doing it; those controllers are digital-only input controllers made for Melee that have angle modifier buttons to allow more than just 8 directions for movement. There are several top Melee players that use those style of controllers, so it is definitely more than just playable. Unfortunately I have no experience trying to set up a keyboard to replicate it, so I can't point you towards more resources
@@landlandss7188 that's probably the best option, but you never know lol some people can't afford one or live in a country where electronics aren't as accessible so maybe keyboard is the only way they can possibly play
@@knivy6160Nah that's just bad DI. All the magma charge smash attacks don't actually have that much knockback. Sweetspot helps though. Good luck trying to actually hit it, cus those smashes are slow af.
I feel like this list was made before the 2 last coinboxes lol, otherwise foresburn and orcane would not be that low. But that's just my opinion I guess
This game is really the epitamy of "If everyone is super, no one will be". Every character has such good things going for them even the "worst" character feels great and like every match is winnable.
@@JesusFreak711uh- you can only play the game from Steam, which is only available on a pc/laptop. You just a need an enough powerful one or having an enough powerful graphic card to run this game smoothly.
as a new player with 8 games under my belt, Kragg is unbeatable😂. Like I played Ranno because, based on look only, best character and I played against 3 Fleet, 2 Kragg and 3 Zetterburn. The only times I lost were me getting absolutely DUNKED ON by the Kragg (he used Fleet and Kragg, yes I only played against 2 players😂). The thing was that Fleet was idk, understandable? but Kragg is NOT. Worst part, he wasn't grabbing me, he just threw rocks, made a whole lot of walls and bashed in his rocks to keep my out😅. Beside that, for the moment I say great game, still need to get used to some things like the fact that if you press the jump button and then the attack button to fast, you won't jump and (I enabled smash attack with buttons) get a up-smash😢, but that's a skill issue
I just learned Ranno is broken😂😂😂, but I have a question, is there a place where there's a list of all the moves of every character and what gimmick(don't know how to write gimmick😅) they have and how it works, because booting up the game, go in the training room and press down-special to grow a bubble and learn after like 1h of just testing things that the green dots = the time people are stuck in it or seeing on a video that you can recover, then wall-jump and recover again but can't find how on my own. Plus the only thing I can find for rivals 2 and not 1, is a 30... minutes... video... you know, boring. I just want to know what the character does without someone telling me "Oh you should do this because Strong and avoid this because Bad (when in fact it is just less strong but still a viable mixup or something like this). So yeah, if you could help me find something like this it would be nice. Oh and feel free to tell me if a guide from aether 1 works in the second😅
After playing for a bit, and also primarily playing forsburn, I feel like he is going to hang around bottom two. Besides lox and maybe orcane I don’t think he has a favorable matchup against any of the cast. He feels to slow and weirdly stubby. But I also such at the game so it might just be a skill issue
The odd thing I keep hearing wraster is so good since like the first but I played the demo for 10 hours and the live game for 8 by now and i haven't fought a single wraster I'm 1150 if that means anything.
I think you're opinion that if a character is good enough, people will play them, is wrong. If there's an easy option with way less work to win available, people won't play harder characters.
@@madman4043Really? Honestly % wise of characters i go against, Orcanes probably around 40-50. And a bit of people iv fought that use other characters, end up switching to Orcane as a backup
Every character sucks; but is also OP, and in a good place. Dont be fooled the tier isn't indicative of how good the character is ... F's look like A's guys What did I just watch?!?
I have played the first game A LOT and also have a pretty decent amount on the second game. I feel like the second game gets rid of a lot of things that made the first feel special, like a completely different game in a way I don't like much
@@bruno213Rivals 1 has no ledges, no shields (but does have parries), no grabs, and no knockdown, so it’s a VERY fast game. Recovery is also quite different without ledges. Some people really like that speed and hyper-offensive focus.
@@unseenasymptote4976 So do you feel that it adds or takes away from the game? Personally, I hate ledge trumping, seeing as I'm an avid heavy weight user. I know it's a means to offer stage control, but it can get tedious with wacky character gimmicks.
@@bruno213 for me its a lot of things they did. shields being added takes away the only parry thing that made it feel fresh and different, grabs being added took away some character specific moves that had some kind of grab as a special move. ledges being added took away from the unique way of recovering the game had. also yeah, the art being different to me took away that cool pixel art they had. movement in general just feels way weird too
@@bruno213 I’m not very good at platform fighters, so I preferred how in Rivals 1 it felt like I had less to worry about. That said, I’m also still getting used to Rivals 2, and I never really played Rivals 1 online because I had crappy internet, so it’s not really a fair comparison. I’ll need more time to decide how I feel about the changes.
Dog ngl I think Wrastor just sucks ass unless your a gigga pro. I've been playing melee for over a decade and I cannot win a single ranked match with this stupid bird. I'm getting clapped by random aerials at like 90% while I cannot get a kill even at 140% unless I land the very specific hitboxes of the very specific moves designated to kill. Wrastor's air smash attacks seem horribly underwhelming and don't kill at reasonable percent's unless sweetspotted, and the combos are not intuitive at all. It feels like none of my aerials have any hitstun on them whatsoever and send at super hard to follow up angles. I also don't see anyone else playing this bird. I'm like 0 and 14 for ranked matches and I haven't seen a single other wrastor. I know he's supposed to be hard to use but GOD DAMN! I think I'm just done with this bird. Only thing he seems to have going for him is the slipstream, which is pretty powerful but doesn't seem to make up for his shortcomings. It just feels impossible to figure this guy out without studying extensive guides and hitting training mode save states for 9000 hours.
Exactly. They said there was going to be single player and then pulled it because of development costs were underestimated. It seems like Dan was in a rush to release the game and I hope they don’t run out of money because I love Rivals 1.
Please can we stop saying "smash" attacks for everyone game that's NOT smash bros?! People look up to you and your gaming opinions so let's try to make these platform fighter games stand out on their own for once. Call it what the devs names it like super attacks, strong attack, etc
Bruh everyone knows what a smash attack is. It just makes it easier to explain. Its like when you use a well known brand for a product even if its not that brand
It's really not that serious my guy. Its just universal language people use because its easier to understand. Its just like in traditional fighting games with the use of DP (Dragon Punch). It started with Street Fighter but now its just a universal term people use.
I can't take this tier list seriously, mostly because is from the perspective o someone that supports statutory rape, I still hadnt forgotten that you advocated for nairo after watching his 30 pages of smoke, all because of nepotism, way to ruin your reputation, but that's smash amarite, shame on you. On a less serious note, provided the characters remain the same as in the demo, then it's clear that maypul and wrastor are on a tier on their own, while clairen is much weaker, she still has like a decent matchup against the top tiers, but that's all it really is, kragg is another one that is too high, mostly because of how easy it is to gimp him, the boulder is crazy good, but the issue is in how easy it is to stop him from pulling it up in the first play, forsburn I think is another one that is insanely good and people just doesn't have the mindset and the hands to properly use, is a character that is well balanced and hard to play, loxodont I kind of agree is bad, but mostly because he is the one character that doesn't have some insane bullshit mechanic that allows him to stand up, he just plays too honest of a game, rewardless, still a good character all things consider.
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It’s interesting hearing ult players opinions on zetterburn vs melee players. It feels like ult players think he’s great but has reasonable flaws that keep him from being a top 3 character. Melee players think zetterburn is the craziest character ever made.
funny thing is both are wrong, it's clear maypul and wrastor are a tier on their own, provided they remain the same as in the demo, is just that both are really hard to use.
@@ZeroillusionXif Zetter is in a tier under but still 3rd place how is it wrong that he’s top 3? Lol
@@zarekodynski9077 bruh why are you responding to me, I didn't say anything about zetterburn, if anything, I think placing him in top 3 or 5 is more than reasonable, but it's obvious that maypul and wrastor are far and ahead the best characters in the game, with either being the best, depending on the matchup spread you can make an argument for either, I think him having the easiest kill confirm with dacus and just being extremely solid is a good argument for top 3, but as the game goes on, it's likely that another one of the top tiers can take his place, orcane, ranno, forsburn, you can make an argument that any of them are top 3, I think the only placement people can agree on is loxodont, just because he has a lack of sauce, he doesn't really have any outstanding gimmick that allows him to feel broken in some aspect, unlike the rest of the cast, even kragg who is just as weak as loxodont has a gimmick that makes him feel like he is better than what he appears (even though he isnt).
@@ZeroillusionX I responded because you replied to a comment that was talking about Zetterburn and said that it was wrong to place him in top 3….. LOL
@@zarekodynski9077 you do know you can respond to people by clicking the respond label next to the like and dislike button right? you made a mistake man, just own to it, is not a big deal geez.
Maypul is so sick. My favorite part of playing her is SDing.
Legitimately 50% of my stocks are lost because I accidentally run off stage, and because she's so fast I realize I ran off when she's already on the respawn platform.
So much of her gameplay revolves around if she has the opponent seeded. If not, she can't edgeguard or recover like she would want.
So much of her gameplay revolves around recovering and not killing yourself
You're take on Zetterburn is so real, every single one I've fought has just been mashing their heart out lol, they won't be playing this game for long if they keep it up, the hand pain will get them swiftly
It's so gratifying seeing a tierlist from a top player that directly aligns with how I as a plat player saw the game.
yeah it's called confirmation bias, it feels really good!
@@Lipbeat that's not what that is. confirmation bias is seeking out information that already validates your beliefs, then using it as a source to justify your beliefs. i.e. Conspiracy theorists ignoring the mountains of rational explanations and latching onto any evidence that points to their conspiracy being reality. They just said they liked that a top player's opinion aligned with their own. You don't have to be a pseudo intellectual tool about it.
@@harbingercri9667king
@@harbingercri9667 "You don't have to be a pseudo intellectual tool about it".
Talk about lack of self-awareness, holy shit...
@@harbingercri9667aren’t most youtube commenters pseudo intellectual tools tho?
Most of them read to me like children that just learned the concept they’re being smug about. Ignore them and/or laugh at them, they are always the best options.
Maypul makes me want to throw my controller every single time I play her even if I win
Preach 🙏
That's why I main her :D
I KNOW RIGHT
She is so hard to combo because she falls so fast and her airspeed is so illegal.
@@Piggles64099 hey don't forget she's ALSO A TRAP ZONER FOR SOME REASON
“Loxodont kinda like dedede”
Pretty accurate seeing as my regions dedede main plays him in rivals2
They just made floaty characters get slightly more combo able so I'm curious if Lox gets juggle for way longer now
Clairen over Wrastor and Zetter is nuts in my personal opinion
He put him at the top not as the best but as one of the "best to play",
He makes the distinction early in the video. He says he doesn't think Clairen is one of the best characters overall.
@@AustinTaylor-x6e I must have misheard him then my b. Still not sure if I agree, but makes much more sense that way
@@tymunster It happens G. I thought that ranking was sus too. Wrastor is a beast
I think you're not the only one, and I also didn't hear him say anything about best to play, but that nuts, considering that he made it very clear that he had enough hours to put a tier list together, which is wild, you can't have it both ways.
@@ZeroillusionX"I wouldn't put Clairen at Top 2 or even Top 3 ... but she's definitely one of the best characters *to play*" not even 90 seconds into the video man
downplaying main to avoid nerfs
When Forsburn went into the Fl tier I thought it was like an among us meme cause he’s sometimes called a deception character
1:11 my fav podcast
alright buddy
This is the first time ive ever seen a tierlist video where the thumbnail matches the final results
I love loxodant, i think hes broken but.... i cant name any other character that is worse than him 😂 so its kinda a paradox and coming from smash he would be broken cause hes just dededee but fast and with a comand grab and tech chase grab. So hes great but everyone else is greater
I agree with void on his tiering. He's basically the Ganondorf of this game. Sadly, like Ganondorf, he's bad.
@@Jairjax I'm just glad he has much more viability than tanks do in most smash games
@@Jairjaxcomparing anyone in r2 to smash ganondorf is wild
@@OddRick3113 You're right. It's more like pyra and ganon combined. Same up special as pyra, same side special as ganon, same animations for up smash and forward smash. Same throw animations too. Aside from the special lava downthrow. It's basically faster ganon but with the lava charge gimic
@@Jairjax the ddd in question
Orcane could be bottom of bottom tier and I would play him and only him until the day I die
Your logic of not understanding everything so for now looking at their weakness creates a logical list whether the perspective is actually right or not. I respect your way of trying to make it make sense because if you happen to be right about said logic, it would be more difficult for the list to not be right.
Fl is actually a genius way to tier characters who are bad, but are actually really freaking good sometimes. It's the kind of tier that I'd put Incineroar in lol
Looks like Florsburn tier
And lox
@@Delta-l87florsburn, fors and lo.
3:29 I WAS DECIEVED 😂😂😂 love you Void
Orcane is my favorite platform fighter character
It's my main for now (probably will change later) and yeah he's very fun but damn I'm getting butchered with him.
I love Ranno. Was hard to learn him imo, but once i got decent with him it was pretty rewarding.
As a long time Forsburn player since Rivals 1 and playing him in Rivals 2, it still baffles me how all the Smash players are collectively calling Forsburn bad. I feel like they just aren't playing him properly, because when you truly feel in tune with the character you just win neutral for free sometimes since you can bait free approaches and your normals just carry your playstyle with safe pokes and hard punishes with insane edgeguarding potential.
I'm a Forsburn main from ROA1 too, but disagree. Many other characters can do the same, but the others have a plus, like Clairen who always lands hits for free and with extra hitlag, for example.
@@M31AndromedaI mean Forsburn does have a plus, just in neutral states rather than advantage. Disrupting your opponent's ability to know where you are is inherently really strong.
Of course, though, it's still arguably harder to make use of given the reliance on mindgames. There's a reason Fors has been almost exclusively balanced around CakeAssault for the past 6+ years @_@
That dagger's additional range + the speed is really nothing to scoff at. As an Orcane player, approaching a good Forsburn is one of the most frustrating experiences.
Soooo true. Honestly tier lists at this point are 100% just for views. Nobody knows anything yet. EXCEPT for rivals 1 players.
@@chw14556 No we don't either lmao
This game is a breath of fresh air for the genre. Good mechanics, fun and stable online play, it does not try in wring every last bit of money out of you. MVS could learn a thing or twelve from this game.
Wild that the lowest tier is A, all these characters feel so well worked out
I haven’t played this game and I’ve played some of the first one. I forgot Kragg was a beetle lol
In my opinion, the reason you don’t see as much of Wrastor/Maypul as Clairen/Ranno is that Clairen and Ranno feel very familiar to anyone who has played Smash. You can just pretend you’re playing Marth or Sheik and do pretty well immediately with Clairen or Ranno. Wrastor and Maypul require you to pretty much start from square one, but I think those characters could very well have the highest ceilings
idk about highest ceilings because their game plan generally becomes very simple the higher you move up but they do have a higher entry barrier
Maypul feels like she has a high skill entry barrier but i honestly think with those tethers she belongs above clairen
It sounded like there was no bias whatsoever for the Ranno part.
id trust void with my life so i accept this tier list as undeniable fact
Fun game you can play when you watch a VoiD video or stream. Take a shot every time he says Ultimately.
Cool tier list. All I play against is Kragg. Zetterburn. Loxodont. Clarion. I play Fleet.
Fleet feels alittle hard to use to score KOs. Being a lightweight doesn't help her. Her float mechanic feels hard to execute and master with.
Ah yes I’m sure this tier list is backed by bulletproof logic seeing as the game has been out for a couple hours
Literally bought the game for forsburn,no I have not played the 1st game but to see him in f tier breaks my heart already.oh well I’m already invested
Don't worry about it, every character is strong and viable, he just feels a bit inconsistent at the moment
anyone that thinks ranno isn’t A or S is smoking serious copium
ranno is the most broken character in the game by far and eventually everyone will come to realize, braindead easy combos, a kill off of grab, a great recovery, the best frame data in the game
also void mentioned this already but a ranno who doesn't want to interact with you is one of the most infuriating things in the game
I just started playing this game blind the day after launch. Maypul is an abomination even in silver, but i counter pick him with claren. I'm gonna keep maining Fleet and counterpicking with claren though because buffs and nerfs happen so rearranging my strategy based on tier lists this early would be foolish of me. Another thing I want to say is I think this game should have pretty good mass appeal and I wish I was seeing more movement from non smash players about this game. Simply because the netcode is so good.
Shouldn’t there be videos of Arcade Mode right about now?
Ah, I love broken rushdown characters on release.
They are either played by crayon-eating spammers that wonder why they can’t make it to plat by just pressing attack in all interactions, all of the time, or godlike players who will delete your stocks in 40 seconds.
Either way, it feels so insufferable to play against.
I think Maypul and Wrastor just have very high skill ceilings
this list is very unique void
Void bro what's the name of game?
I feel like a lot of the characters that are easy to pick up will fall out of favor down the line. Similar to how Inkling was top tier on year one of Ult. I still think Clairen is good, but not S+. As people get better at edgeguarding she will fall to S or A+, IMO.
The overall Zetterburn and Maypul downplay from pro players is insane
They know how to parry and space lol. I feel like the rushdown characters seem unbeatable unless you master parrying and edge guarding.
I started climbing against zetterburns by pressing parry as soon as they touch my shield. Lo and behold, they were already spamming shine.
Same with maypul. Have won most of my games against maypuls because empty hopping to bait their dumb dash attack and even parry the second hit is free damage.
You were wrong in multiverses
I'm here to give the rivals take. Rivals don't need a tear list if you were to make one there should only be 2 or 3 tiers.
I tried playing the demo but it looked like I couldn't with a keyboard, and I don't have a controller.
Is it possible?
I’m pretty sure you can play with a keyboard
It's possible, just unpleasant.
If you turn on Dpad movement, it should be playable at least, but yeah not ideal due to missing the analog joystick input.
You might look into how to replicate a smash boxx style layout on keyboard if you are serious about doing it; those controllers are digital-only input controllers made for Melee that have angle modifier buttons to allow more than just 8 directions for movement. There are several top Melee players that use those style of controllers, so it is definitely more than just playable. Unfortunately I have no experience trying to set up a keyboard to replicate it, so I can't point you towards more resources
@@drummaniac30 yeah but at that point he should just buy a controller
@@landlandss7188 that's probably the best option, but you never know lol some people can't afford one or live in a country where electronics aren't as accessible so maybe keyboard is the only way they can possibly play
Ive been playing lox, you can hit people with charged smash attacks when they're upwards of 120% and it still wont kill.
Only if you miss the sweet spot
@@ofischial if you need a sweet spot at 120% for a charged spot. thats why hes F tier
Buddy has never heard of a sweet spot
Do you not have magma charge or something? Down smash with magma has killed people at like 100 for me
@@knivy6160Nah that's just bad DI. All the magma charge smash attacks don't actually have that much knockback. Sweetspot helps though. Good luck trying to actually hit it, cus those smashes are slow af.
When they will lunch this for xbox?
year or two
I feel like this list was made before the 2 last coinboxes lol, otherwise foresburn and orcane would not be that low. But that's just my opinion I guess
It's not a tier list on which character is the best in the game, he said it at the first 90 seconds of the video.
So you are saying there's no bad characters
This game is really the epitamy of "If everyone is super, no one will be". Every character has such good things going for them even the "worst" character feels great and like every match is winnable.
@@erupter76500 thank you for your help! I have a laptop sadly so I guess I won't be able to play this game oh well 😊 have a blessed day!
@@JesusFreak711uh- you can only play the game from Steam, which is only available on a pc/laptop. You just a need an enough powerful one or having an enough powerful graphic card to run this game smoothly.
@@P0chuL1ver I figured it out thank you though! God bless you!!!
Personally:
S+:
Wrastor
Clairen
Ranno
S:
Zet
Maypul
Kragg
A:
Orcane
Fleet
B:
Lox
B-:
Forsburn
It's not which character is the best in the game that he's doing a tier list about- look here 1:08 to 1:20.
@@P0chuL1ver i know i was just saying my personal tierlist.
as a new player with 8 games under my belt, Kragg is unbeatable😂. Like I played Ranno because, based on look only, best character and I played against 3 Fleet, 2 Kragg and 3 Zetterburn. The only times I lost were me getting absolutely DUNKED ON by the Kragg (he used Fleet and Kragg, yes I only played against 2 players😂). The thing was that Fleet was idk, understandable? but Kragg is NOT. Worst part, he wasn't grabbing me, he just threw rocks, made a whole lot of walls and bashed in his rocks to keep my out😅. Beside that, for the moment I say great game, still need to get used to some things like the fact that if you press the jump button and then the attack button to fast, you won't jump and (I enabled smash attack with buttons) get a up-smash😢, but that's a skill issue
I just learned Ranno is broken😂😂😂, but I have a question, is there a place where there's a list of all the moves of every character and what gimmick(don't know how to write gimmick😅) they have and how it works, because booting up the game, go in the training room and press down-special to grow a bubble and learn after like 1h of just testing things that the green dots = the time people are stuck in it or seeing on a video that you can recover, then wall-jump and recover again but can't find how on my own. Plus the only thing I can find for rivals 2 and not 1, is a 30... minutes... video... you know, boring. I just want to know what the character does without someone telling me "Oh you should do this because Strong and avoid this because Bad (when in fact it is just less strong but still a viable mixup or something like this). So yeah, if you could help me find something like this it would be nice. Oh and feel free to tell me if a guide from aether 1 works in the second😅
After playing for a bit, and also primarily playing forsburn, I feel like he is going to hang around bottom two. Besides lox and maybe orcane I don’t think he has a favorable matchup against any of the cast. He feels to slow and weirdly stubby. But I also such at the game so it might just be a skill issue
The odd thing I keep hearing wraster is so good since like the first but I played the demo for 10 hours and the live game for 8 by now and i haven't fought a single wraster I'm 1150 if that means anything.
Played a couple games with my friends of rivals 2, crazy unbalanced but had a fun time regardless (I was winning)
Forsburn seems like a case of ZSS sux 😂🎉
I think you're opinion that if a character is good enough, people will play them, is wrong. If there's an easy option with way less work to win available, people won't play harder characters.
VOIIIIIIIIID 🤩🤩🤩🤩
wait void doesnt play ranno? wtf? lol
People may disagree but for me, i find orcane to be one of the most fucked up characters to fight. They are so good at everything imo
Orcane is very good but suffered and will suffer again from weird character syndrome, so very few play them despite their power
The way puddle controls the stage is crazy got to learn how to get around it
@@madman4043Really? Honestly % wise of characters i go against, Orcanes probably around 40-50. And a bit of people iv fought that use other characters, end up switching to Orcane as a backup
No wonder Clairen feels too good.
Ranno is suprisingly kinda hard to play
Me who plays ranno and clairen🤠
It need to come to Xbox
Bro i swear. Shit is killing me
did this guy just say lox doesn't get combod as hard LOL
4:38 talk tuah lotta people
I’d love to play this game but not on pc
Every character sucks; but is also OP, and in a good place.
Dont be fooled the tier isn't indicative of how good the character is ...
F's look like A's guys
What did I just watch?!?
LETS GO VOID ♥️
Ranno in S+ is wild. Definitely good. Not the best.
Kinda crazy the best smash4 shiek player isnt maining ranno lol
F and L for forsbun and loxidont
I have played the first game A LOT and also have a pretty decent amount on the second game. I feel like the second game gets rid of a lot of things that made the first feel special, like a completely different game in a way I don't like much
Was it because of the 2.5D transition? What changed?
@@bruno213Rivals 1 has no ledges, no shields (but does have parries), no grabs, and no knockdown, so it’s a VERY fast game. Recovery is also quite different without ledges. Some people really like that speed and hyper-offensive focus.
@@unseenasymptote4976 So do you feel that it adds or takes away from the game? Personally, I hate ledge trumping, seeing as I'm an avid heavy weight user. I know it's a means to offer stage control, but it can get tedious with wacky character gimmicks.
@@bruno213 for me its a lot of things they did. shields being added takes away the only parry thing that made it feel fresh and different, grabs being added took away some character specific moves that had some kind of grab as a special move. ledges being added took away from the unique way of recovering the game had. also yeah, the art being different to me took away that cool pixel art they had. movement in general just feels way weird too
@@bruno213 I’m not very good at platform fighters, so I preferred how in Rivals 1 it felt like I had less to worry about. That said, I’m also still getting used to Rivals 2, and I never really played Rivals 1 online because I had crappy internet, so it’s not really a fair comparison.
I’ll need more time to decide how I feel about the changes.
Loxodont haters damn
Dog ngl I think Wrastor just sucks ass unless your a gigga pro. I've been playing melee for over a decade and I cannot win a single ranked match with this stupid bird. I'm getting clapped by random aerials at like 90% while I cannot get a kill even at 140% unless I land the very specific hitboxes of the very specific moves designated to kill. Wrastor's air smash attacks seem horribly underwhelming and don't kill at reasonable percent's unless sweetspotted, and the combos are not intuitive at all. It feels like none of my aerials have any hitstun on them whatsoever and send at super hard to follow up angles. I also don't see anyone else playing this bird. I'm like 0 and 14 for ranked matches and I haven't seen a single other wrastor. I know he's supposed to be hard to use but GOD DAMN!
I think I'm just done with this bird. Only thing he seems to have going for him is the slipstream, which is pretty powerful but doesn't seem to make up for his shortcomings. It just feels impossible to figure this guy out without studying extensive guides and hitting training mode save states for 9000 hours.
Lox pisses me off.
I simply and respectfully must disagree my good sir
I play lox and forsburn lol im cooked
1:11
Beat me to it 😂
Talk Tuah
ZETTER IS EZ S++++++
Hey Void. You should try DBZ Sparking Zero! There’s a lot of tech you can learn.
Man, would be nice to see real rivals content instead of 100 shit week 1 tier lists.
Make this 3 months post launch. Boring to do every day
Lol leff HARD disagrees with the lox placement
Leffen put Lox 2nd to bottom in B tier? What are you on about?
Bro is this bih coming to ps5 💔🙏🏽✌🏽
It will in like 2 years
@@themcents4370 u shittin me … 💔
@@gurjantdhaliwal1197😂😂😂
"i have morals" bro you play bugs in multiversus.....are the morals in the room with us now?
Ranno way too high. Wrastor should be a tiny bit higher. Everything else is a reasonable take.
I rivals one I hated maple now I main him
Her
Replace "very very" with really for better speech.
Im really confused that they launched this game in such a beta state. The UI is booty and they have no tools for new players outside of a steam post
Exactly. They said there was going to be single player and then pulled it because of development costs were underestimated. It seems like Dan was in a rush to release the game and I hope they don’t run out of money because I love Rivals 1.
its a video game. not a movie. who cares how it looks? the gameplay is fast and crisp.
isn't this just a demo?
@@luiegiiithey didnt say there would be story mode, the arcade mode is available rn isnt it?
@@Spnsr-db9mv it released today
Please can we stop saying "smash" attacks for everyone game that's NOT smash bros?! People look up to you and your gaming opinions so let's try to make these platform fighter games stand out on their own for once. Call it what the devs names it like super attacks, strong attack, etc
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Bruh everyone knows what a smash attack is. It just makes it easier to explain. Its like when you use a well known brand for a product even if its not that brand
It's really not that serious my guy. Its just universal language people use because its easier to understand. Its just like in traditional fighting games with the use of DP (Dragon Punch). It started with Street Fighter but now its just a universal term people use.
Yeah bro. That's like people saying DP in fighting games other than streetfigher. Also rivals 2 took so many mechanics from melee... so yeah?
I can't take this tier list seriously, mostly because is from the perspective o someone that supports statutory rape, I still hadnt forgotten that you advocated for nairo after watching his 30 pages of smoke, all because of nepotism, way to ruin your reputation, but that's smash amarite, shame on you.
On a less serious note, provided the characters remain the same as in the demo, then it's clear that maypul and wrastor are on a tier on their own, while clairen is much weaker, she still has like a decent matchup against the top tiers, but that's all it really is, kragg is another one that is too high, mostly because of how easy it is to gimp him, the boulder is crazy good, but the issue is in how easy it is to stop him from pulling it up in the first play, forsburn I think is another one that is insanely good and people just doesn't have the mindset and the hands to properly use, is a character that is well balanced and hard to play, loxodont I kind of agree is bad, but mostly because he is the one character that doesn't have some insane bullshit mechanic that allows him to stand up, he just plays too honest of a game, rewardless, still a good character all things consider.
What?
@@azizkash286 don't pay it much mind, I just felt like choosing violance today.
Lol sod off
This game will last 3 weeks 😂
Yeah in your dreams maybe lmao
why be so negative man?
Maybe