Note from one of the devs (since I had to check all of this by hand when I still had alpha access) "Yoooo sick video today! Here are the only inaccuracies I noticed from it: From video: - You cant tech shield break landing - Special pummel also removes chaingrab protection" Everyone say "thank you" to Trevor now
I love how many times in this video you're like "so this is like the melee mechanic with a five letter acronym that requires 18 frame perfect inputs. In rivals it has an actual word that makes sense for the name and requires two buffered button presses."
even in rivals 1 they’ve been simplifying a lot of movement tech from games like pm and melee but i don’t lose my muscle memory switching between them which is the coolest part imo
Been hype for this ever since I stopped competing, Rivals has always been a series that felt smooth as butter but didn't have enough local support to naturally build a scene. I'm hoping this pops off so I can go back to competing, the community for the original game has been the most welcoming I've ever experienced. Rivals feels great and Rivals 2 carried that from what I've played already, and I'm really excited with how the new characters not in the original Rivals felt
Never heard of Rivals. I never got into Melee as a player but watched stuff here and ghere over the years. I was always shocked that no game came close to Melee. This is really frickin cool to learn about and I hope it becomes huge.
Great video as always! Super thorough breakdown of the game as it stands rn, and a great overview as we head into Genesis! Sorry if this comes off as rude, but a couple points to clarify tho: - grab lockout - u made it sound like only normal pummel negates the timer, but it is removed if either pummel connects - wavedash input - for folks new to Rivals, just know that pressing shield during jumpsquat doesn’t cancel ur jumpsquat, it’ll just buffer the airdodge to ur first airborne frame. So basically so long as u try and wavedash exactly when u jump (input at the same time) or delay like in melee, u’ll wavedash just fine and with the same framedata either way - ledgedash invincibility - u can ledgedash with invincibility even after u’ve landed, but as soon as u input an attack the s disappear. So no invincible jabs/grabs, but u can safely get into shield Anyway, again, great video Wisely!
Thanks! And no worries, it's not rude! You're just more specific about certain things. EDIT: Trevor DMd me to confirm, ledgedash intangability goes away right after the waveland ends regardless of if you attack or not.
I remember Ateozc explaining to me about the grab mechanics in person, without context of video. I was honestly still kinda lost on how it works LOL. Seeing the visual indicators of the said grab breaks is a nice touch. I’ve been playing Tekken 8 recently and seeing the similarities of that grab break mini game makes me a bit more excited / nervous for this change (Thanks King for the knowledge check PTSD 😭)
i cant wait to combo off of the chaingrab lockout grab break animation, like into a falling projectile or fleet explosion or something. that would be so swag
Can't wait for this game. Lifelong melee fan since WAY back in the Gamefaqs days. Fell in love with Rivals about 2 years ago, and super hyped to see the sequel.
Going from Super Smash Flash 2 to Rivals of Aether is possibly the best thing I've ever done in terms of the games I play all the time. Rivals is just super polished and I'm real excited for the sequel.
I’ve been asking about galint for weeks now! Thank you for catering to the nerds! Also, I’m willing to bet that most players will use special pummel over normal pummel in the beginning, so it might be worth it to make regrabs exclusive to the normal pummel. For balancing reasons and whatnot.
Maybe I should've have mentioned the crouch canceling 🤣 Either way, great vid and I'm super looking forward to Rivals 2! I love how intentional the mechanics are.
@@atWisely Oh I'm sure, I was just joking because it almost felt like I caused the takedown due to the timing. You said yourself in the video that you weren't covering everything, and I'm of the opinion that you've hit all the most important stuff. I only know about crouch canceling because I managed to get it in the dev Q&A on the discord and it's been on my mind recently. There are so many cool details in this game's design!
13:19 love this bit! :D one of the most informative rivals 2 videos I've seen so far. man I'm excited for this game. I've been around since the early rivals 1 days. I hope all characters return for the sequel except ori and shovel knight obviously
ledge dashes from tournament winners don't have as much invincibility as a normal ledgedash (though they might be slightly longer iirc) also i feel like your recovery example with ranno divekicking the wall is misleading. ranno's divekick was changed so that he's fully actionable after a while instead of only being able to jump. so you can still do divekick walljump recoveries, ranno players will just have to relearn the spacings love the video tho, can't wait for this game!
Has babydashing changed? On Twitter there was talk (I think from Dan) about changing it to put the consistency between analog and digital inputs more in line with each other. (Maybe extending it to a 2 frame dash input?)
Is there a resource where I can find all the tech that’s in rivals? Searching on RUclips doesn’t really show you everything if you know the specific tech.
One thing I'm curious about ledges is how ledge grabbing works. Is it like melee where you can only grab it when you have downward momentum? Can you grab the ledge if your back is to the ledge? Are there magnet hands and if so, how strong are they?
Any updates about when the beta will be? I just found out about the newsletter and signed up, but I haven't seen any other info. I'm new to rivals and really excited for rivals 2
As someone who played Greninja and Inkling post Melee (aka two characters that often can’t do a damn thing about a low percentage shield break), boy do I sure prefer the idea of breaks popping the opponent up in the air rather than a stun-state! Also!!! Sooo glad that there is a reason to pummel now. I NEVER used to pummel. I always considered the risk of the opponent mashing out to be waaay worse than the reward of minimally more damage.
Wtf is that Honda @ 0:55? He left our scene ~2018 and has been travelling the nation as an artist since. MY GOD does the guy on the left look and sound just like him.
Is slingshot (the universal movement tech in ultimate) in Rivals 2? I wanted to ask this on the Dev Q&A stream but was busy with work. Would be awesome to see slingshot in rivals 2 since it's literally just RAR but much more lenient, versatile, and beginner friendly. Any info would be great!
I liked Rivals 1 a lot, but it came at a time, where i lost interest in Platform Fighters, mainly because of sucking lol But rivals 2 looks like its a lot of fun, might pick it up if it ever comes out on console
It's so weird how you're only comparing things to Melee and PM. Like how you made acting out of tourney winner a huge deal, even though that's been in smash since at least 4.
It's because more of my personal experience is with those two, that's all. And a lot of people only play one or the other. Some Melee friends were shocked when I told them you can act out of tourney winner in other games.
You can buffer it already in rivals 1 tho I’m like 99% sure, for example short hop nair then input and release a dash right before endlag finishes (within the buffer window) gives you a babydash every time I’m just hoping they extend it to at least 2f so it’s consistent on analog and digital inputs
Игры
Note from one of the devs (since I had to check all of this by hand when I still had alpha access)
"Yoooo sick video today! Here are the only inaccuracies I noticed from it:
From video:
- You cant tech shield break landing
- Special pummel also removes chaingrab protection"
Everyone say "thank you" to Trevor now
Thankyou trevor
thank you trevor
Thank you Trevor!
Thank you, Trevor.
Thank you, Trevor!
I love how many times in this video you're like "so this is like the melee mechanic with a five letter acronym that requires 18 frame perfect inputs. In rivals it has an actual word that makes sense for the name and requires two buffered button presses."
actually he never said this
@@ringotheflamingo6900He mentions SHFFL at 16:14. Not 18 frame perfect inputs, but I take it this is an example of what they were referring to lol
even in rivals 1 they’ve been simplifying a lot of movement tech from games like pm and melee but i don’t lose my muscle memory switching between them which is the coolest part imo
holy shit im never seeing another human when i get this game
can I Koopabackdashwaveslide Hoverwalkmoonland in Rivals 2?
Once Melee Bowser is added, absolutely
well its in rivals 1 soooo
@@zachstarattack7320 fancy seeing you here, sup dude
"You can parry by holding Shield and pressing B"
So you're saying that Parry is essentially Special Shield, hm?
Oh no...
I hope there will be special taunts in the same vain as Dan's taunt super from street f 4
I really like how nothing requires mashing. Makes the game more accessible.
"there is no mashing"
day1 buy
watching this before my rivals 2 pool at genesis today o7
Update: I 0-2'd but I swagged out on friendlies & I'm probably gonna main Rivals 2 in the future!
@@yumbreamwanna play some more?
Gotta love these guide videos for games that haven't even been released yet:P
I thought about that while making it, but even the devs are sending this to people now so I'm feeling good LOL
Been hype for this ever since I stopped competing, Rivals has always been a series that felt smooth as butter but didn't have enough local support to naturally build a scene. I'm hoping this pops off so I can go back to competing, the community for the original game has been the most welcoming I've ever experienced.
Rivals feels great and Rivals 2 carried that from what I've played already, and I'm really excited with how the new characters not in the original Rivals felt
Never heard of Rivals. I never got into Melee as a player but watched stuff here and ghere over the years. I was always shocked that no game came close to Melee. This is really frickin cool to learn about and I hope it becomes huge.
Great video as always! Super thorough breakdown of the game as it stands rn, and a great overview as we head into Genesis!
Sorry if this comes off as rude, but a couple points to clarify tho:
- grab lockout - u made it sound like only normal pummel negates the timer, but it is removed if either pummel connects
- wavedash input - for folks new to Rivals, just know that pressing shield during jumpsquat doesn’t cancel ur jumpsquat, it’ll just buffer the airdodge to ur first airborne frame. So basically so long as u try and wavedash exactly when u jump (input at the same time) or delay like in melee, u’ll wavedash just fine and with the same framedata either way
- ledgedash invincibility - u can ledgedash with invincibility even after u’ve landed, but as soon as u input an attack the s disappear. So no invincible jabs/grabs, but u can safely get into shield
Anyway, again, great video Wisely!
Thanks!
And no worries, it's not rude! You're just more specific about certain things.
EDIT:
Trevor DMd me to confirm, ledgedash intangability goes away right after the waveland ends regardless of if you attack or not.
Looks like I'm watching it again
Damn this game can do everything!
...
But can I find love in Rivals 2?
I remember Ateozc explaining to me about the grab mechanics in person, without context of video. I was honestly still kinda lost on how it works LOL.
Seeing the visual indicators of the said grab breaks is a nice touch.
I’ve been playing Tekken 8 recently and seeing the similarities of that grab break mini game makes me a bit more excited / nervous for this change (Thanks King for the knowledge check PTSD 😭)
Yeah, at least it's a 50/50 and not a full grappler with 100 different ways to start it, hahaha
I need to play this game so bad
Still hoping that Forsburn makes it on to the roster, he was easily my favorite character to play in rivals 1
i cant wait to combo off of the chaingrab lockout grab break animation, like into a falling projectile or fleet explosion or something. that would be so swag
Can't wait for this game. Lifelong melee fan since WAY back in the Gamefaqs days. Fell in love with Rivals about 2 years ago, and super hyped to see the sequel.
Going from Super Smash Flash 2 to Rivals of Aether is possibly the best thing I've ever done in terms of the games I play all the time. Rivals is just super polished and I'm real excited for the sequel.
Hey I know you
No mashing ❤
I'm gonna be keeping my eyes peeled on your channel from now. Really excited to hear you talking more about Rivals 2 and well... anything, honestly.
Well thank you
Wisely, this video was amazing. Thank you! Can't wait for the Rivals 2 bracket at Genny.
This game looks so cool. Cannot wait for it to release
I’ve been asking about galint for weeks now! Thank you for catering to the nerds!
Also, I’m willing to bet that most players will use special pummel over normal pummel in the beginning, so it might be worth it to make regrabs exclusive to the normal pummel. For balancing reasons and whatnot.
I'd love to see more R2 content, especially character overviews!
It's not the only game I'm going to cover, but there's going to be a ton of R2 in the future, no worries!
Maybe I should've have mentioned the crouch canceling 🤣
Either way, great vid and I'm super looking forward to Rivals 2! I love how intentional the mechanics are.
LOL
@@atWisely Oh I'm sure, I was just joking because it almost felt like I caused the takedown due to the timing. You said yourself in the video that you weren't covering everything, and I'm of the opinion that you've hit all the most important stuff. I only know about crouch canceling because I managed to get it in the dev Q&A on the discord and it's been on my mind recently. There are so many cool details in this game's design!
This is an awesome video, thanks so much for making it! Really excited to play Rivals 2 when I was kinda neutral on it before :D
Amazing vid Wisley! Editing was smooth showcasing what you're explaining at the time you explain it. And everything made sense right away!
18:14
Oh shoot there's way more!?
I'm hungry for more info!
this is shaping to be a timeless masterpiece
Dude your beard is sick I hope to have one that can come close to it one day
13:19 love this bit! :D
one of the most informative rivals 2 videos I've seen so far. man I'm excited for this game. I've been around since the early rivals 1 days.
I hope all characters return for the sequel except ori and shovel knight obviously
great video Wisely. I love the vibe ur content carries. week 1 imma find you for some friendlies!
ledge dashes from tournament winners don't have as much invincibility as a normal ledgedash (though they might be slightly longer iirc)
also i feel like your recovery example with ranno divekicking the wall is misleading. ranno's divekick was changed so that he's fully actionable after a while instead of only being able to jump. so you can still do divekick walljump recoveries, ranno players will just have to relearn the spacings
love the video tho, can't wait for this game!
Do they not? I didn't realize that, good catch
@@atWisely it was a dev reply to a question about them on twitter some time ago
Having watched this I don't think I'll ever play a single game of Ultimate ever again
11:08 Fun fact, this is something that originates from the OG Nasb
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Love your videos! You make me want to play this game immediately
Great vid! So hype to lab some Clairen
14:54 young link marked as not having a wall jump 😢
Nice content tho
I'm so mad I forgot one, I triple checked before making that part 🥲
Yeah, I was checkin' the comments to see if anyone else caught that. Adult link is the one that Can't walljump
Can’t believe Wisely would betray me like this
I’m so excited!!! I hope they add at least ONE of my mains back in, as I was a forsburn and absa main back in the day
Great info thanks!
Thanks bald Santa!
You're welcome 🥲
Has babydashing changed? On Twitter there was talk (I think from Dan) about changing it to put the consistency between analog and digital inputs more in line with each other. (Maybe extending it to a 2 frame dash input?)
I have no idea, sorry :(
meant to ask, have any of the weirder mechanics like axmos dropping made it into 2? ive been curious but i havent heard anything
Thank Dan for giving me the possibility to play this game well despite sucking at making controlled movement with the joystick XD
Thanks
Is there a resource where I can find all the tech that’s in rivals? Searching on RUclips doesn’t really show you everything if you know the specific tech.
Fire vid fam, keep it up
its probably more a matter of how dramatic it is, but do you know if theres wavedropping / rundropping?
cant wait for this game
One thing I'm curious about ledges is how ledge grabbing works. Is it like melee where you can only grab it when you have downward momentum? Can you grab the ledge if your back is to the ledge? Are there magnet hands and if so, how strong are they?
It's like melee where you have to be falling, and you have to face the stage. It feels pretty forgiving compared to melee though
this video is super good thank u sir wise
9:20 well turns out she doesn't
Game's looking pretty great so far!
Do they have slide cancelled tilts?
Hi, will it be possible to keep beta access until the game comes out?
I am locking in now
wait, is that melonkeepr gold at 9:20
Any updates about when the beta will be? I just found out about the newsletter and signed up, but I haven't seen any other info. I'm new to rivals and really excited for rivals 2
I believe Q2, but I'm not sure when that might open up for people who didn't back the Kickstarter
Bro your beard is life-giving.
As someone who played Greninja and Inkling post Melee (aka two characters that often can’t do a damn thing about a low percentage shield break), boy do I sure prefer the idea of breaks popping the opponent up in the air rather than a stun-state!
Also!!! Sooo glad that there is a reason to pummel now. I NEVER used to pummel. I always considered the risk of the opponent mashing out to be waaay worse than the reward of minimally more damage.
Haven’t finished watching but just gotta say that a magnificent beard
Does using kraggs platform refresh air dodge or do you have to land on main platform?
Yep, it functions as a standard platform for that kind of thing.
@@atWisely YAAAAAAS! WE EATING TODAY FELLOW KRAGG KINGS!
I'm now second guessing my answer to this LOL
But I'm like 95% sure!
Is there perfect pivoting like in smash 4 in this new rivals game?
I don't believe so, but I'd need to double check to confirm
Awesome video.
Can you grab ledge while facing away? Or no?
EDIT:
One of the devs messaged me, I was wrong and you CAN grab the ledge backwards.
Concerned if were not getting platboosting but other that Im hype for the game new things & classics.
I highkey wish I watched this before playing the beta, makes a lot of shit make sense
We're eating so good
i need you to guide me to the install button lol
Wtf is that Honda @ 0:55? He left our scene ~2018 and has been travelling the nation as an artist since. MY GOD does the guy on the left look and sound just like him.
Must be a doppelganger, that's just one of my friends
Thanks for the follow up! Very excited to follow you & your content as Rivals 2 continues to unfold :)@@atWisely
That's me and mannnnn I wish I was a Honda. I'm basically a used Kia.
LMAO! A used Kia can out-drive any Fox.@@premthottumkara654
Is slingshot (the universal movement tech in ultimate) in Rivals 2? I wanted to ask this on the Dev Q&A stream but was busy with work. Would be awesome to see slingshot in rivals 2 since it's literally just RAR but much more lenient, versatile, and beginner friendly. Any info would be great!
I don't know about that one, I'm sorry! I didn't think to test slingshot.
@@atWisely All good! Thanks for the reply anyways, I'll make sure to test it myself when the beta comes out :)
probably not. melee heads dont like it to be too easy to do backairs like that. better to wavedash backwards
@@zachstarattack7320 Well it's a good thing this game isn't marketed towards just melee players.
i don't like it either@@TheBigSad8247
thank goodness i HATE mashing
13:17 technically i would say grounded frames when you...
Looking really really juicy
I'm gonna be honest losing the pixel art for 3d models hurts a little
I liked Rivals 1 a lot, but it came at a time, where i lost interest in Platform Fighters, mainly because of sucking lol
But rivals 2 looks like its a lot of fun, might pick it up if it ever comes out on console
ENGAGEMENT !!
5:33 among us?
Where is orcane :(
doesnt have my favorite smash mechanic; tripping
bro loves pity flips
It's so weird how you're only comparing things to Melee and PM. Like how you made acting out of tourney winner a huge deal, even though that's been in smash since at least 4.
because this game is for meleeheqds haha
It's because more of my personal experience is with those two, that's all. And a lot of people only play one or the other. Some Melee friends were shocked when I told them you can act out of tourney winner in other games.
@@atWisely That makes a lot of sense. It's interesting seeing what they take from various games, trying to get the best from each
Ori isn’t in the game wtfffffffff😢😢😢😢
You might be the single person that made me go from don't really care to buy this game
Reupload? 🤔
Yup! I forgot to include clip credits and wanted to fix that.
You're handsome
They need to chamge the grab mechanic. Rps is never good in a fighting game.
Oh buddy
amogus
18:07 i hate babydash... hope u can buffer it from a lag instead of going for 1 frame
You can buffer it already in rivals 1 tho I’m like 99% sure, for example short hop nair then input and release a dash right before endlag finishes (within the buffer window) gives you a babydash every time
I’m just hoping they extend it to at least 2f so it’s consistent on analog and digital inputs
asdf
Air dodging in ult doesn’t mean death. Get gud.