Charger R/T HRT Stage 2 COMP Cam
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- I decided to finally reveal which camshaft I opted for. This is a 2016 Charger R/T with the Hemi 5.7. I installed a comp cams HRT Stage 2 camshaft. This cam also works for the 392/Hemi 6.4.
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i love how u did the complete opposite from most mopar owners. looks stock but has money into the engine. most people get the colorful lights, wicker bill, spliter & some rims. not a dollar into the motor
Yeah I like this approach too. Chargers will never be sleepers but I don't want to look like a walking speeding ticket.
Yeah that’s my goal lol
So mopar owners drive chevys and mustangs I’ve seen the same done to those mostly Chevy trucks
Really impressed with your work on this car man, definitely learning a lot 🔥
Thanks man! More stuff coming soon!
I think some people get confused when they hear stage 2. They think the Comp 270 Stage 2 from the Scat Pack Stages.
The HRT Stage 2 cam was great power and easier on the engine at higher rpms. We messaged each other before. Tuning was the hardest issue which becomes a big deal when you daily drive like I was and spending weekends at the tuner.
Finding a really great Hemi experienced tuner is what I recommend.
So you wouldn’t go wit the 274 wit a good tuner?
Yes - this is why I gave up on email tuning and went to Fullblown performance. There are still a few hiccups but they're confident they'll be solved here soon
@@Ermiasthomas Not with the 5.7. You can, and it puts down a little more power but most people I know have had tuning issues and some other issues that became a headache.
@@Ermiasthomas I have seen many 274 cam packages leave High Horse Performance with no issues.
@@kennethwindstein2907 what about issues afterwards over the next several months? And having a place that knows hemis, like I said earlier, will help with proper tuning and making the correct adjustments. Again, I just would like to see follow up with these vehicles 30 days later or more.
Thats for any cam or performance install such as forced induction.
The HRT kits are absolutely the way to go if you're gonna cam a HEMI. Comp absolutely bailed the cam profiles in these kits.
I agree, some of the best cams for these engines hands down
What about mmx cams?
I’m new to modifying newer cars. Your info is extremely helpful.
I'm glad they're helpful, let me know if you have any specific questions!
I just put my 13 W2K back on road . Installed same kit with 2700 stall. Tuning with HP tuners. Mine stalls at times just like yours. I think it is related to the phaser. I have to put scope on it to check.
I want to hear more about your experience. Do you have an Instagram so I can DM you?
At least you were able to get that kit...I was waiting on that Master kit for a month and some change and they kept putting me on hold. So they suggested to swap me for the full Comp 270 package (springs, valves, bolts, gaskets, etc.) and it gonna be here tomorrow. HHP claims it’s a lot easier to tune than the HRT for some reason
Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if the 270 was easier to tune. This HRT has been weird..
@@DonnySRThey I’m trying to decide on a can I have 2011 molar edition charger have headers and 6.1 intake help me choose please
I had this same issue😂 I went and got everything separately. Actually saved some money. Cam was on Amazon for 400 bucks. Springs were Mopar scat pack stage 2 which can handle the 274. Rods were annoying as I had to buy them from several different vendors.
I said torque converter and then you said it 🤣 sweet build!
Yea man - that's definitely a big one for my upcoming mods. Would probably alleviate much of the camshaft headache
I’m a new sub and I don’t know if you already addressed it in past videos but I would like to see if you did a full widebody conversion your car would look SICK !
That is a pretty good idea! Something to consider
Your tune has come a long way man! I remember when I was talking to comp cams they recommended a converter with that cam for automatic cars, but I don’t know if there would be a connection with that and occasional stumbling coming back down to idle or not. Either way your car is making great power, right where I want to be! I’ve got a couple more tweaks planned before I head back to the dyno so we’ll see how big it pays off. Thanks for the shout out man, cheers!
Yea - people have told me a new converter would help me with that surging. I've also heard that this cam just isn't fun to tune for haha. Thanks for letting me use part of your video!
Thanks for wearing a F8 Green shirt 🥰
One of the best colors 😁😁
I got 405whp and 396 torque with 100 degree heat in Oklahoma which heat index was 113. My air intake temperature was 136. And I did not have the 6.4 intake installed then.
We really felt like with the cooler temps and 6.4 intake we are thinking we can get about 415+whp.
What mods bro?
Can you beat 6.4 with this HP?
@ABDULLAH ALKAISY depends. From a dig, then it was whoever got the best launch or traction. Rolling from 45 or 55mph, it was pretty much tied all the way through. Amd it was M all stock 2016 Scat Pack Charger that I owned as well. My son and I would run them.
I doo ok my have a RT, I drive a Q50, but I got two friends with RT ‘s and I’m ready to learn about them to help them through their journey, thanks for educating me sir 🤝🤝🤝
No problem bro. Let me know if you have any more questions 👍🏼👍🏼
New sub just watched almost all your videos on your feed. I own a 2019 destroyer grey charger rt track pack. Really digging all your mods 💪 keep up the great work
I appreciate the support! Let me know if you have any questions
I can tell your near Ontario Pomona or Montclair by the mountains in your vid nice to know ur a local
I'm n mo val
Just put in my stage 3 texas speed cam😩
Nice!
Buy a stall converter ! Lol nice car and work bro.
I know man, I need one for sure. Thank you!
Awesome Donny《☆》Nice progress Brother👍😎
Thank you - it's coming along slowly
Thanks for the video Donny!
Thank you for tuning in!
Good video; I will likely go with the non VVT version for my motor build, Pre Eagle bottom end, Eagle top end, undecided on intake yet, but would certainly like the 392;
Side note, I just noticed yours has 114 LSA, The Non VVT appears to have a 113 LSA
What is required to get a cam into these cars? Can I just buy the cam and a tuner get it dyno tuned and be good to go? What tuner do you recommend
That cold start 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hell yea man 🇺🇸🇺🇸
The HRT series of cams are pretty sweet.
Solid power but a PITA to tune haha
It need a little more tuning for the idle.
At this point in time yea, but it's all fixed now!
I was never able to get the cam all the way tuned to stop the dying and surging.
how much torque was gained? Great content, much appreciated?
Have you tried HemiFever here in Notth Carolina ?
I think they can help work out the bugs.
With cam past the smock check
I think it sounds really good bro! 💯💥💯
Thanks! Hopefully we can get some more chop out of it the next revision
You need some lope Who did your work and tune?
When doing the cam did you have to pull the water pump to remove the timing cover? Sweet rt! Plan on doing a comp 274 here soon. Keep the vids coming
No, the water pump can come off with the whole timing cover as an assembly
@@DonnySRT sweet one less gasket to mess with lol
The 274 is way too big for a 5.7 ; will loose low end torque
I'm throwing in the towel who tuned yours 😂 I'm on 3 tuners and it's always issue after issue abd now it won't stop coasting and chugging when I'm in 1st-almost 3rd. Runs great but that issue is gonna put me in someone's trunk.
Hey man - did you get your tuning worked out? Mine was tuned by Fullblown performance/ZH tunes
@DonnySRT no it still acts up. Had 2 tuners have me chasing ghosts and drained my bank account humoring them.
Hey, Donny thanks for the video. Question for you, did you say you have a 6.4 intake and you were able to make it work on the 5.7? I just got the Hemi Tick and well I guess now is the best time to upgrade and I'm liking your setup.
I made a video series on that swap
They should try the 6.1 intake manifold that helps for older dodges
I currently have the 6.4 one on here
Glad your digging the cam your car is coming along great. I just replaced my RT a month ago and I am getting ready to install the HRT stage 3 cam with a Stall in my new car.
Awesome! What's your new car?
@@DonnySRT I got a 2013 charger rt in pitch black.
@@weaselsmopar6843did you use the comp cam kit ?
@@EATZURBRAINZ no I did not I was told to stay away due to the comp cams lifters having failure problems so I used Mopar hd lifters and Manley pushrod with psi 1515 springs and titanium retainers.
Axels👍👍 worth the investment
Good info, Preciate the video.
Thanks bro glad it was helpful
Depends on what your looking for you want answers go to BMason he is quite informative. I want to keep that scatpack punch so I hear hrt stage 1 , 169 believe goes good for what I’m looking for. Forums I see guys loving the comp270 but hear it’s a dog down low , love to see this thing more on dyno down low
This cam is similar to a Comp 270. My power and performance goals were beyond what the stage 1 cams are intended for. Also probably should have gone custom grind. But even BMason recommends this specific cam (or ones very similarly spec) for applications like mine.
@@DonnySRT yeah depends on what ya looking if your gonna boost it that stage 2 would be great addition to your build
@@user-nh4je9ul7f yea I mean, I lost a lot of low end so I totally understand you wanting to stick with a stage one. I ended up having to buy a converter, but I just haven’t installed it yet
@@DonnySRT I’m worried about finding the right tuner I’m up in Canada and don’t know off hand a place trusted to tune my hemi
Another informative video.
Glad you think so! haha
Car sounds great.
Thank you!
Whats your opinion on a diablo tuner? You think those can help tune the vehicle with the new cam?
Appreciate the video! I been looking for a cam for my 2015 grand cherokee. Looks like I might have to make my own videos, I can't seem to find any for the grand cherokee.
Thanks hopefully you found it helpful
Same bro
Come on man when will you release the final dyno numbers , and street pulls we need street pulls
addressed that in this video - also check out the video recently about not being able to hook - there were pulls there
Good info thanks 👍
Glad it was helpful!
I did this cam I noticed my motor is a little more ticky not like a knock or anything just ticky. I don’t know if it’s just because of the upgraded pushrods and valve springs? What you think?
I kinda noticed a similar thing with mine actually. Probably has something to do with the changing valvetrain geometry/spring load
@@DonnySRT thank you just wanted to get some input from someone that did the same cam.
Did you use a phaser limiter or phaser lock and did you shut off vvt in your tune that fixes a lot of the issues
Limiter and I believe VVT is still activated
I’m currently looking at cams or nitrous but I want to do the install myself. Quick question for a “drop in cam” would it be necessary to remove the entire timing chain? Or can I mark it and check for top dead center after installing my cam? Just your personal opinion. Also did you end up removing your oil pump? I’m assuming you did if you removed the entire timing chain.
I removed the oil pump because you can't see the bottom timing mark without it. I guess you could do it without pulling the chain off entirely, I just advise strongly against it from a safety point of view
@@DonnySRT thanks
@@DonnySRT did you degree it? I forgot to ask
How is throttle response when you pin it?
Definitely lost some power down low, but it is a lot more fun higher in the RPMs
@@DonnySRT I've been stuck on trying to decide between the stage 1 and stage 2 but would hate to lose it down low. Still a tire burner at least?
I thought about addjng a can or pedalbox to add fun im already full bolt on a hp tune...ideas anyone for chryser 300 sport v8
Hi bro love your build pretty bad ass sound looking to install stage 2 cam ona charger rt. Did u have any problems with vvt?
You need to install a VVT limiter with the cam. Some people even opt for a lockout kit
What’s your part list? I just need the basics for the chop sound. Pls and what’s vvt and non vvt
You change the heads and gaskets for stronger flowing ones?
IS it holding up ? And problems with the springs ?
Should've gotten a Manuel... It would eliminate a bunch of your problems from the start.
You can't get a manual Charger
How much hp do you think I can make on my 2005 ram Daytona. I ordered the stage 2 hrt. Rn I have headers but plan to go with 3000 stall and 4.10 gears with 91 octane
Depends on everything you have. Maybe 450 crank
Great video again. Looking forward to more. I messaged you on IG. Have fun out there
Thanks! I think I saw your message
Im a new sub and I’m in search of a cam for my 2018 r/t can u link the site for this one i love the chop at idle
How much to get cam install? And where you get yours?
I installed it myself
Is your cam a N/A or boost ready? Looking at the stage 2 because I want to go boost at some point.
Any cam is a boost cam. Check out Richard holdener he kinda disproves the “boost cam” notion
@@DonnySRT I'll have to check that out. Still doing research before going forward with my build.
@@B5_Beast304 good idea. It’s also worth noting that these cams seem especially difficult to tune for
@@DonnySRT having seen your previous videos it looks like seeking a skilled tuner is a must. I literally live in the middle of nowhere so I'm trying to locate the right tuner.
Richard Holdener and Engine Masters have both disproven the blower cam myth.
Im still deciding what cam to go, i want to go with the MMX NA lope cam..
I will have ported/portch matched head. & already have the 6.4l installed, few days ago.. just need cam & $$ to get them install & dyno tune. Ill be happy to put down 420whp or more.
The comp HRT Stage 1 is a NSR cam, should net you around 40 with supporting mods. I had a greene racing cam, and decided to go with the HRT stage 2 instead. They were noticeably different. It was quite shocking honestly.
@@mrhyde0705 found a new cam, called mark 82. Really good hp at around 428whp With just cai, 392 exhaust & 87mm TB. Guy were this cam is being sold. Say it does 30wtq more than the comp 274 cam..
So i might go with this cam instead. I will have: (So might make bit more than 428whp, *hoping..)
*392 intake,
*392 exhaust
*90mm TB
*E85 +BIGGER INJECTORS
*CAI
*CATLESS
*PORTED HEADS
*MARK 82 CAM*
In the future plans is to also get a 6.1l aluminum block & gain bit more hp & reduce few LB.l which is also my 2nd goal.
@@Mroswaldo16 the 274 doesnt make alot of power for the 5.7. It does the opposite if anything because its too much. Drivability also goes out the window. Id be very weary of those claims unless they can be proven on different vehicles with different dynos. Kinda like people claiming they were getting more gains with the oem 392 cam over the 274 cam. Thats also why i went with the HRT stage 2. It had better operating range than the 1 and the 3. The 274 cam is an 8+ year old cam design, think they debuted with the pre eagle 5.7s and kept the same profile for as long as i can remember.
@@mrhyde0705 they did 2 dynos on same car. It did 360whp on a tune with diablo or from. Then they retuned it & measured 428whp, & doesnt require convertor either. I want to be in the scat hp range, without needing convertor.
Ive seen the 392 cam is good for like 30whp, which is to little fir my liking.
Their page is called flyin' Ryan Performance on FB.
@@Mroswaldo16 you really shouldnt need all that to be scat level. Avoid shorty headers if you're referring to them as "scat exhaust". If you're doing the 392 intake you might as well get the hellcat airbox instead of the CAI. Get long tubes. A nice breathing exhaust, get a BBK 87 MM TB. Ive tried 3 different TBS, one was ported OEM-it sucked. The biggest question you should ask yourself is:"is this my daily driver?" I believe the car you mentioned was a chally, which had tubes, the 6.4 intake, a pulley, and e85. Ive heard a lot of mixed things form e85, the cost for the gains and risk were what drew me away from it. Guys were talking about losing power, and the requirement of a boost-a-pump which is expensive as heck. Same with bigger injectors,unless youre doing F.I and upgrading the pumps and rail, its pointless. The hemi injectors should be good until 450 hp. I was recently talked outta throwing the 6.4 intake manifold and porting my heads with my cam. The heads in the Hemi flow very well, and the intake manifold would only show 10-15 peak HP, and maybe a little down low. Best thing ive ever done though was throwing in a torque converter. First mod i did, dropped a whole second off my 0-60, i was losing traction in 4th gear, in AWD 🤣 and before the cam went i , i was keeping scats at my fender, alot more was done to the car after the TC. Almost 200k miles of trial and error with the hemi. 8 different exhausts, 3 different cam packages, both shorty and long tubes, 3 different tunes, i even went as far as testing different coil packs and spark plugs. Unfortunately this will be my last job, if i spend anymore money on this car, my wife will bury me in it😬 p.s if you really wanna do an intake, look up the Edelbrock Victor II 😁 You might see better gains, and it actually looks great. Im going that route, or a hellcat blower. Whichever i deem worth my life.
I have a stage 4 cam in a Camaro SS with a stall converter but still stalls sometimes when I stop
Thank you fore sharing this - I had a feeling it wasn't entirely due to the torque converter. I wish I was more informed so that I could better compare our two situations
Is it still stalling?
Driveshaft brother..hear they are like boat anchors
Definitely required if I decide to throw more power at it
@@DonnySRT free up some ponies for ya🙂read somewhere they are like 65 lbs or more..
Hey I have a question did you ended up installing a wideband sensor.
No, but I really need to purchase one.
I was just asking bcus every time I push the gas all the way my check engine light turn on with the code p219a (air/fuel ratio imbalance) and idk if that's something to do with the tuning or if I messed up something when installing the cam
Do you daily this? If so how has that been?
I'm running a Holley Hi-Ram, Hellcat Injectors Granetelli Coil Pack 80k volts, American Racing Headers 1-3/4 3" Borla Atak, 350 Alt Amp, American Racing 50lb tensioner, Stage 1 HRT, Dual Fan converted, 92mm Hellcat Throttle, CAI, and a lot of other sh!t i cant remember and it's running flawless. Are you using HP tuner ? I'll help u out
That's a bitchin setup bro. Please send me a message on Instagram if you get the chance
@@DonnySRT try making the breather hole smaller for the CAI it'll breath better and won't jump high idle.
Do you happen to remember the website you got the cam from or the link perhaps? Thanks
Comp cams website
How much hp does is make?
big cam can be helped by 2 things.
better valve springs, the compcams springs will take your redline upto 7500 without worrying about valve float.
if you are automatic, go talk to a transmission guy, get a torque converter with a higher locking speed. it helps with the "low end sluggishness" in a way...
You think a new converter is necessary with a cam phaser lock?
@@csavvthebarber3889 insert gif of head exploding...
Pfft...
I have a 2015 Dodge Charger rt with no cats a dyno customized 93 tune and long tube headers and a cold air intake and I’m at 385 to the wheel right now this cam only adds 15 more to the wheel?
No - going based off of only the dyno number is not correct. Each dyno is calibrated differently and use different correction factors. A bolt on, Jay Greene tuned RT put down 345 wheel on the same Dyno I put over 425 down on
So u have 385 without a cam right
@@just_a5.7 ya it was 365 with my normal tune but I had it customized for my specific car on the dyno
What tuner did you pick at fbp
spankintime but I'm going to switch over to one of the other tuners for my next mods
Get some nice high quality wheels next or a proper drag set up 💪🏽
Definitely tires next, not sure what's after that
@@DonnySRT boost?
Why did your car die at idle ? My hemi is doing the same thing dying at idle
From the cam
How much for a RUclips swipe up
How many miles do you have on that R/T now?
22k
I want to , do a cam also. But how am I gonna pass smog ?
The safe answer is that it wont
Do it after
Which cam tho it’s different stage twos
220/230
Do you ever wish had tried the Stage 1?
No actually. I think it would have only been marginally less annoying to tune
@@DonnySRT I haven't really seen any you tube channels with anyone that has done the Stage 1 and kept people informed about it's progress.
Did you use compcam springs? Or pac or psi?
Comp cams springs
Any other cam that you would recommend?
Depends heavily on your application, intended use, and whether it's a daily driver
Do u still recommend this cam or would u choose a different one like the stage 3?
I have had a few people still move me away from stage 3 because there is such thing as too much cam.
Resonators removed as well ?
yup
Did you get diff gears or build heads.
Heads have the upgraded valvetrain but aren’t ported. Has 3.09
@@DonnySRT oh okay, well I’m excited to see what you do.
You need a torque converter
I agree
Wait no chop ?? 😞
It chops with my new tune!
@@DonnySRT hell yeah bro love it
So you spent probably over $2000 and your car still stalls occasionally and you only gained 50 hp. That doesn't sound like a very good deal to me.
Horsepower on these N/A mopars aint cheap, that's for sure
where'd you get your LSD from?
Summit racing
@@DonnySRT Thanks.
Do you still use the Diablo tuner?
Yes, but I'm gonna switch to HP
@@DonnySRT what’s the difference between them?
@@vicktharula8317 more tuning capabilities and tweaking with HP tuners. Plus its used by more people making it easier to get a tune through it.
😂 bro…..sounds like your guy doesn’t know how to tune if your surging and stalling.
Get nitrous next bro
Nitrous is scary haha
Does this cam make you have a check engine light? Still liking the cam?
If your tuner tunes it properly it wont
@@DonnySRT do you think it would pass smog?
Let’s play duos bro
Let’s go 😈
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Did you use phase limiter or lock kit?
The kit came with a limiter
@@DonnySRT okay so do you have the same shelf as track pack rt or the intake eliminated that?
I do not have that "shelf" effect. Im stupid for not mentioning that in this video
@@DonnySRT so you didn’t have the shelf before y’all put E85 in it?
Nope