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@@mythocratI think he's saying "If you have eight outs, you have a seventeen percent chance." Which, if true, is still less than a one in five chance, slightly better than the roll of one die. Even making the hand doesn't mean winning, so it's a chance of having a chance.
If I am calculating my outs and I am playing at a table with six other players I automatically assume there are two of my so-called outs sitting in their pockets at a minimum and then I add one card on top of that just to be safe -(whenever I have 12 or more outs that is) just to establish a baseline. I didn’t establish how many times my number of outs can be divided into the number of cards remaining and then come up with a very basic percentage. I know I will be criticized by those who say you can’t assume what other players are holding but I’m sorry if there are six other players that means there’s 12 cards in there at a minimum and I can safely assume two of my cards are sitting in their hand and can be taken off of my number of outs.I find that is more realistic then me assuming that no one is holding an out card for me(in my humble opinion) and I usually win tournaments I enter or go very deep into them using this method
Totally agree i always assume and analyze players to assume what they might have and im most of the time correct thats why i rather play with 3 or 4 max people to make it easier for me instead of assuming and analyzing everyone and seeing whos bluffing and whos not. Lol
When calculating outs you count all the scenarios which make your weak hand a very strong hand that you would like to go to to showdown with. So it doesn't matter if your opponent could have a flush draw. Just like it doesn't matter if your opponent could have a full house later in the turn or the river. The outs are to help you make a tough call whether to go to turn or fold. It's not for raise and bets.
I can explain you are playing against 6 players and you have a flush draw on the flop, let's assume we have two spades and the flop is spade, spade, heart now the crads left in the pack are 9 spades, 12 hearts, 13 diamods, 13 clubs (sum 47 card ) I will count in that there are 6 players so 12 cards that won't show up on the turn or river not knowing these cars I assume 9/47 of them are spades, 12/47 are hearts 13/47 are diamonds and 13/47 clubs(these are the 12 cards my opponents have) so on average 9/47 * 12 = 2.3 of the opponents cards will be spades(my supposed outs) but what you guys don't see is that 12 - 2.3 = 9.7 cards are in their hands that are not outs for us but its good that we can't have them on the table so from the 47 cards remained let's take out 2.3 spades(leaves us with 6.7 spades)but also take out 9.7 of the cards that don't help us (12 + 13 + 13 - 9.7 = 28.3) the ratio we get is 6.7 : 28.3 that is exactly 9 : 38 which is the original flush draw ratio OPPONENTS MIGHT BE HAVING YOUR OUTS BUT THEY ARE ALSO HAVING THE CARDS THAT DON'T HELP , ON AVERAGE IT GIVES YOU THE EXACT SAME CHANCE AS WHEN WE DONT COUNT IN THEIR CARDS
So if I understand correctly, in the first hand he showed (0:37) you not only count the four outs for the straight but also the three outs for the six and the three outs for the five to get a pair or three of a kind. So that would be 10 outs (four outs for the straight and six outs for the two pairs or three of a kind you could potentially hit).
Probably 5 years too late, but if you have for example, Ace and 10 of hearts and the flop is a 2 diamonds, 5 of hearts and Queen of Diamonds, what would be your odds then, would you would then need either the Jack and King (any suite) for a straight or 2 of the possible remaining 10 hearts, what would be your odds in this situation?
#plz_ans_this_question I am a beginner. I don't understand one thing. Let's say flop has two hearts. I have two hearts in hand. So there are 9 hearts card that can come, so 9 outs right? But if the other guys also have hearts then I have less outs . Is not that right? Plz let me know. Also if the guys who folded their hands in preflop , are their cards added to the main card dealer ? I mean can those folded cards by other players appear on flop?
No the folded cards are not added back to the deck for that hand. So your holding four hearts and need one for the flush so you drew a decent flop. Now you have to take into account the cards that can beat the flush, most likely a full house depending on what cards are on the flop. Also have to think about how many players there are and whose bluffing & who has the full house or higher
Won't ynr number of players impact your outs. While we dont know what others have been dealt, is there an additional calculation to get more realistic outs by factoring in the number of players in the hand?
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I thought outs were for the losing hand to take the lead. You don't know how many outs you truly have without knowing what your opponent has. Maybe the straight or two pair isn't good enough.
i understand poker entierly,but what i dont understand is why a sraight is lower in the pecking order than the flush(especially texas hold em),a straight is harder to get be open ended or not,do you know why?
Actually it does, according to the laws of probability, the odds of getting a flush is 508:1 , a straight 254:1, check here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability
It does not matter, you still count as if there still four fours left in the deck. The only time you may consider one or two fours to be out of play is if you think that your opponent is holding the 4 that you need. So you have to range your opponents cards. Also consider that sometimes your out might actually help improve your opponents hand. Making you have the second best hand.
If I have a 2 and a 7 and I don't get any pairs in the 2nd round, does that mean I have 6 outs? Because there are three 2s and three 7s that could improve my hand.
+FireOccator Well then there are more than likely over cards on the flop that will crush your pair...you shouldn't go in so deep with the worst hand imaginable anyway unless they're suited and you're playing something like a spin and go
+Bodhi “Vix” Geraci whats with the 4 2 rule ? say you have 4 clubs.....only the river to come = 9 outs 9 x 2 = 18%=about 5 to 1 but if you are getting 3 to 1 that would be fair value right ? 4 to 1 should give you edge no ?
K so im Confused. Say i have AsQs and villain has 10h5h on a Flop of: Kh 8h 3c Villain has 15 cards in the deck To make a better hand then me and there are 45cards left in the deck. So villain has 15 outs right? But if we look at it in the opposite way from my perspective, That would mean my outs are 45cards - 15villainouts= 30 cards in the deck out of 45 cards are Good for me. So you can basically say I have 30 outs on the turn and if the turn ends up one of my 30 outs, then on the river with 44 cards left i have 29 outs vs his 15 outs. So from flop to turn: 30 cards good for me vs 15 cards (outs for villain) with 45 cards left to come Turn to river if Turn was my out we subtract that out card ( for simplicity purposes it wasnt an ace or queen, so villain still has 15 outs): 29 cards vs 15 cards with 44 cards left. How am I not the statistical advantage here since I have essentially 2 times More outs then my villans 15 outs.... 2to1 for turn and 1.9to1 on the river. I know i dont need outs since Im ahead but 30 cards are good for me 15 cards are good for the villain so i have double the outs for the turn and nearly ~ double the outs on the river.... So am i not 66% favorite 2/3 times i win and 1/3 times i lose? 2 to 1 means --> 2 times out of 3 i win so i am winning here 66% of the time. How can he be essentially a 50/50 flip when i have 30 outs and he has 15 outs..
To put it simply villain needs to hit either turn or river. On the other hand you need to get your '30' outs on BOTH turn and river. Even if one one street is hearts it doesn't matter what the other street is you lose. So villain has above 60% with his 15 outs
Before I even scrolled down to the comments section I knew there would be people saying "but you can't include outs if other people have them in their hand", and yep, it's full of 'em.. Some people will just never understand poker, no matter how long they play it.
Well I was going to be one of them. So smarty pants, give the explanation. I was actually going to ask if you change your calculations based on how many are playing. Obviously that decreases the odds that those outs are available. But I figure since those odds are the same for everyone it's a wash so you don't need to include them.
Matt I WBA like the other guy, I wasn't going to declare anything as not countable because they are in potential hands. But I was going to ASK about it. And I was going to ask NOT because I'll never understand, but because as a new player, I am establishing my understanding. Good grief, some arrogant people will just never understand the new players they beat today will crush them tomorrow.
You don't need to be a good poker player to understand how basic maths and probability works. I don't even play poker, I just watch and understand the numbers behind it.
because most of the time you can't tell if your opponents also have a flush draw. also the chance of you having the same flush draw as your opponents is low
The problem with all of these "outs" is they don't factor in what the other players have or had an folded and the card peeled off between each street. For example, if all the example hands were hands held by actual players, the "Outs" would not exist in the deck.
There are 4 outs of 4rs only if you play all by yourself.. the chances to hit a 4 out of the all 4 cards possible available in the pack are not that high since as Ive said there are other players on the table.. so what we are talking about?
+Vladimir Popa You don't know what your opponents have and so their cards are included in the probability calculation (we aren't just counting how many cards are un-dealt).
+cooldude 4172 we don't know what the opponents have, that's what I say.. so the probability of hiting a 4 out of all possible 4rs during the flop, turn, etc. it's not that high since other players may have 4 in their hands..
Vladimir Popa But we are not talking about someone watching the game being played. We are talking about as a player who doesn't know the oponnents cards. That's how you PLAY poker.
Well.. Going by your logic if they don't have a 4 which is much more likely than the fact that they do have a 4.. You are a much bigger favourite ( or a much smaller dog). So for simplicity we just ignore those unknown variables
Whoa nelly.....(first example) he said to make the hand he needed a four, and there are four fours in the deck, so there are four outs..... so this counts the possible fours that might be held as hole cards by opponents ? Then how can they be? They can never serve you, they belong to someone else you dont know where the fours are they might not all be yet to draw.
+wotan237 You don't know what your opponents have and so their cards are included in the probability calculation (we aren't just counting how many cards are un-dealt).
Really the 4 of hearts should be discounted too. If you're up against more than one opponent it's likely they are drawing to hearts. Suppose I held K6 of hearts on that board and you held 5,6 of diamonds. The 4 of hearts is no good to you. As a flush beats a straight.
My only problem with this is the rate of which I could only process this kind of information in live hands. No matter how much I practice my mind just cannot process how many outs I have live.
so the odds of the hands are determined by the "outs" from the game. the more "outs" you have from your hand, the most likely you can win. And it is advisable to not fold during these moments. I have a question for the fellow poker pros out there, I was in a game of Hold'em with *9 Players* with the stakes at *10K/20K.* the hands given to me was a K/10 and the flop was K 2 3. The problem is that the players are insisting the table to go *All In or Nothing.* with the stakes at hand and I have 5 seconds to decide, should I call or fold? Regardless of how many hands are drawn, the players are quite adapted to go all in or nothing. And based on my encounter, I have lost a sum of 2.5M in the process. Not to say I'm complaining, but how do I decide to make a proper move? folding every hand would be a shame, thus going all in would be risky. How do I handle the situation? Thank you for reading, I appreciate that very much.
Honestly, in the straight explanation at 1:00 if that is the board Q,2,3 and I hold 56d. I really wouldn't count the 4 of hearts as an out. Especially, if I'm up against 3 or more players. Most likely one of them is on a flush draw and once a heart hits I'm drawing dead as a flush beats a straight. So 3 outs 4C, 4D, 4S.
There'd be a 17.2% chance of getting the straight 4h, so I guess it mightn't be worth taking unless the cards in the flop weren't matching. I have a question though. At one point, he implied that an ace can be worth less than 2, when he said that [A 2 3 4 5] would give a straight. Does this mean you could sort of imagine the 13 cards arranged in a circle? For example, could [J Q K A 2] be considered a straight? or [Q K A 2 3]?
No, It's a bit more accurate to say the Ace plays the role of either a 1 or an Ace. So you can have A [2 3 4 5] translate to [1 2 3 4 5] but not [Q K A 2 3] because that would be [11 12 1 2 3] or [11 12 13 2 3].
I was playing a online table and as he said 6 5 of diamonds I got dealt 6 5 of diamonds and made a full house with another 6 and two more 5s. Is the universe telling me something?
There are about 50 cards in a pack or less (it depends on the number of people playing )...if you want to calculate the percentage you can double the outs and that is approximately the percentage
@@yasintornaci7873 don't forget that there are two chances to get the cards you want (The turn and the river) which doubles your odds again. For example, a hand with 15 outs has a 60% chance of earning a flush or a straight, which may not sound like a lot but it's one of the best chances you'll find in poker, and either way you get closer to the real value by guessing what your opponent has aswell by how they bet (if they raise a lot at the turn, you can have a good idea of what cards they have).
Oh and even further if you bring in the pot!! A good tip is to only call or bet if the percentage you have also stacks up to that of the pot, to make it worth your while. For example, if you have 12 outs, you have a 48% chance of getting the cards you need, so only bother if the pot is twice what you've put in. If you have 5 outs, then you have a 20% chance of getting the cards you need, so only bother staying in the game if the pot is 5x what you put in. This means you won't stay in pots that aren't worth it, and you won't raise unnecessarily with a hand that's unlikely to win. -also, this is an obvious tip, but you probably shouldn't be in in the first place if you don't already have a winning hand by the flop (at least a pair). I guess the exception would be if you have 10+ outs
+wvb628 You don't know what your opponents have and so their cards are included in the probability calculation (we aren't just counting how many cards are un-dealt).
It's actually very simple addition and subtraction...You just need to know the basics of a card deck e.g. How cards many of each suit. You would probably have gotten it easier if he did another flop or two with different non sequential hole cards....He actually just taught me a stronger method of hand understanding and out calculation for the first time in my 4 decades of playing poker.. .Flop; K of-c 9 of-d -5-of-h ---Your hole cards K-5...gives you 2 K's and 2- 5's left in deck = total outs 4 -------------------------2+2=4... Decent hand, not strong though. Same flop...Hole cards...7-8 ...gut shot straight...Need a six...4 in deck = 4 outs.... Flop K -d ...9d...5c....Hole cards 7-d---8d ~~~9 diamonds left in deck, plus 4 -6's = 13 outs - 6d for flush= 12 outs.
I refuse to calculate 'odds'. I can examine the deck ,the bet, what's in my hand and determine if it's worth it. Hold 'em is unpredictable you can make a educated judgment without the %.
+Zakawaka45 like what? Lol nearly no jargon used except for "gut shot" which is pretty self explainatory is it not? You should steer away from /r/poker as well lol
video sucks. it neglects to tell you the most important thing of all. the pct of hitting on turn and river and how you calculate it. also vs pot odds. especially since this was a 4 minute video that's plenty of time
He simplifies it. It's up to you to do the math in your head. 46 cards total. The flop provides the variables needed to make your equation. If I have two hearts in my hand, regardless of the face value, and the flop happens to have two hearts, I now have four hearts in my hand. That makes nine possible hearts or outs. That is one variable. Your next would be the face value. If you have a possible flush but low kickers, you have to take that into account in your equation. That is just an example, but also remember that poker is all about luck.
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Great video, had worked some of this out just by playing around but he really brought a whole new level of insight into it.
To get the percentage how likely it is to get the outs: On the turn Outs x2 +1 = Percentage; on the river outs x4 = percentage
Could you explain with an example?
isn't it the opposite?
@@mythocratI think he's saying "If you have eight outs, you have a seventeen percent chance." Which, if true, is still less than a one in five chance, slightly better than the roll of one die. Even making the hand doesn't mean winning, so it's a chance of having a chance.
Its 4% on the turn and 2% on the river, dont post if u dont know what ur talking about
@@alexconte6726what in the world are you on about?
If I am calculating my outs and I am playing at a table with six other players I automatically assume there are two of my so-called outs sitting in their pockets at a minimum and then I add one card on top of that just to be safe -(whenever I have 12 or more outs that is) just to establish a baseline. I didn’t establish how many times my number of outs can be divided into the number of cards remaining and then come up with a very basic percentage. I know I will be criticized by those who say you can’t assume what other players are holding but I’m sorry if there are six other players that means there’s 12 cards in there at a minimum and I can safely assume two of my cards are sitting in their hand and can be taken off of my number of outs.I find that is more realistic then me assuming that no one is holding an out card for me(in my humble opinion) and I usually win tournaments I enter or go very deep into them using this method
Totally agree i always assume and analyze players to assume what they might have and im most of the time correct thats why i rather play with 3 or 4 max people to make it easier for me instead of assuming and analyzing everyone and seeing whos bluffing and whos not. Lol
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Yea this make sense to me. Know your outs & then assume some of them are in others hands
I understood this video -and it was helpful.
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He explains it clearly for the total beginner! Others seems to be a bit longwinded and it gets confusing for the beginner.
really good explanation!
If a dealer holding queen of aces what other cards can beat his hand
@@rainfordmichaelanderson8051 Yes.
@@rainfordmichaelanderson8051 kings maybe
This was actually really helpful. I thought it was gonna be confusing
when having a straight draw, dont you have to exclude those outs of hearts which will give your opponents a flush?
James Zhao not if you don't put them on a flush draw.
When calculating outs you count all the scenarios which make your weak hand a very strong hand that you would like to go to to showdown with. So it doesn't matter if your opponent could have a flush draw. Just like it doesn't matter if your opponent could have a full house later in the turn or the river. The outs are to help you make a tough call whether to go to turn or fold. It's not for raise and bets.
I can explain
you are playing against 6 players and you have a flush draw on the flop, let's assume we have two spades and the flop is spade, spade, heart
now the crads left in the pack are 9 spades, 12 hearts, 13 diamods, 13 clubs (sum 47 card )
I will count in that there are 6 players so 12 cards that won't show up on the turn or river
not knowing these cars I assume 9/47 of them are spades, 12/47 are hearts 13/47 are diamonds and 13/47 clubs(these are the 12 cards my opponents have)
so on average 9/47 * 12 = 2.3 of the opponents cards will be spades(my supposed outs)
but what you guys don't see is that 12 - 2.3 = 9.7 cards are in their hands that are not outs for us but its good that we can't have them on the table
so from the 47 cards remained let's take out 2.3 spades(leaves us with 6.7 spades)but also take out 9.7 of the cards that don't help us (12 + 13 + 13 - 9.7 = 28.3)
the ratio we get is 6.7 : 28.3 that is exactly 9 : 38 which is the original flush draw ratio
OPPONENTS MIGHT BE HAVING YOUR OUTS BUT THEY ARE ALSO HAVING THE CARDS THAT DON'T HELP , ON AVERAGE IT GIVES YOU THE EXACT SAME CHANCE AS WHEN WE DONT COUNT IN THEIR CARDS
Been playing on/off couple years now, never could figure how to properly count 'outs' in poker. Thank you!
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it still doesnt change anything, if u counting with ur own system
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Can you only calculate outs post flop?
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So if I understand correctly, in the first hand he showed (0:37) you not only count the four outs for the straight but also the three outs for the six and the three outs for the five to get a pair or three of a kind. So that would be 10 outs (four outs for the straight and six outs for the two pairs or three of a kind you could potentially hit).
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Gut shot! If there are two showing, but I get crapped on by the bluffers!
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You must have had a good hand
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hey Nicky great shtuff...very clear and well said.
Probably 5 years too late, but if you have for example, Ace and 10 of hearts and the flop is a 2 diamonds, 5 of hearts and Queen of Diamonds, what would be your odds then, would you would then need either the Jack and King (any suite) for a straight or 2 of the possible remaining 10 hearts, what would be your odds in this situation?
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What is the value of Ace and 10 please answer
What about what’s in your opponents hands?
Very helpful video
I didn't know that method. Thanks a lot!
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I am a beginner. I don't understand one thing. Let's say flop has two hearts. I have two hearts in hand. So there are 9 hearts card that can come, so 9 outs right? But if the other guys also have hearts then I have less outs . Is not that right? Plz let me know.
Also if the guys who folded their hands in preflop , are their cards added to the main card dealer ? I mean can those folded cards by other players appear on flop?
No the folded cards are not added back to the deck for that hand. So your holding four hearts and need one for the flush so you drew a decent flop. Now you have to take into account the cards that can beat the flush, most likely a full house depending on what cards are on the flop. Also have to think about how many players there are and whose bluffing & who has the full house or higher
At 2:45 There are even more outs for the potential of a full house.
Yep
Won't ynr number of players impact your outs. While we dont know what others have been dealt, is there an additional calculation to get more realistic outs by factoring in the number of players in the hand?
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I thought outs were for the losing hand to take the lead. You don't know how many outs you truly have without knowing what your opponent has. Maybe the straight or two pair isn't good enough.
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i understand poker entierly,but what i dont understand is why a sraight is lower in the pecking order than the flush(especially texas hold em),a straight is harder to get be open ended or not,do you know why?
why worry about something you cannot control, just learn how it is played and ask questions on rules later when you are a pro
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i do understand it its just that it makes no sense given the nature of the game.
Actually it does, according to the laws of probability, the odds of getting a flush is 508:1 , a straight 254:1, check here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability
what about the outs that might be folded by other players?? if your looking for a 4 to make a open ended straight..alot of players fold 4's
It does not matter, you still count as if there still four fours left in the deck. The only time you may consider one or two fours to be out of play is if you think that your opponent is holding the 4 that you need. So you have to range your opponents cards. Also consider that sometimes your out might actually help improve your opponents hand. Making you have the second best hand.
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If I have a 2 and a 7 and I don't get any pairs in the 2nd round, does that mean I have 6 outs? Because there are three 2s and three 7s that could improve my hand.
+FireOccator Yeah, but they are really low pairs so you should probably fold.
+FireOccator Well then there are more than likely over cards on the flop that will crush your pair...you shouldn't go in so deep with the worst hand imaginable anyway unless they're suited and you're playing something like a spin and go
+Bodhi “Vix” Geraci whats with the 4 2 rule ?
say you have 4 clubs.....only the river to come = 9 outs
9 x 2 = 18%=about 5 to 1
but if you are getting 3 to 1 that would be fair value right ? 4 to 1 should give you edge no ?
2 and 7 is like the worst starting hand so you wanna fold it immediately!
I wouldn't really count the hearts as outs if I'm on a straight draw depending on how many players go to the flop.
K so im Confused. Say i have AsQs and villain has 10h5h on a
Flop of: Kh 8h 3c
Villain has 15 cards in the deck To make a better hand then me and there are 45cards left in the deck. So villain has 15 outs right?
But if we look at it in the opposite way from my perspective, That would mean my outs are 45cards - 15villainouts= 30 cards in the deck out of 45 cards are Good for me. So you can basically say I have 30 outs on the turn and if the turn ends up one of my 30 outs, then on the river with 44 cards left i have 29 outs vs his 15 outs.
So from flop to turn: 30 cards good for me vs 15 cards (outs for villain) with 45 cards left to come
Turn to river if Turn was my out we subtract that out card ( for simplicity purposes it wasnt an ace or queen, so villain still has 15 outs): 29 cards vs 15 cards with 44 cards left.
How am I not the statistical advantage here since I have essentially 2 times More outs then my villans 15 outs.... 2to1 for turn and 1.9to1 on the river. I know i dont need outs since Im ahead but 30 cards are good for me 15 cards are good for the villain so i have double the outs for the turn and nearly ~ double the outs on the river....
So am i not 66% favorite 2/3 times i win and 1/3 times i lose?
2 to 1 means --> 2 times out of 3 i win so i am winning here 66% of the time.
How can he be essentially a 50/50 flip when i have 30 outs and he has 15 outs..
To put it simply villain needs to hit either turn or river. On the other hand you need to get your '30' outs on BOTH turn and river. Even if one one street is hearts it doesn't matter what the other street is you lose. So villain has above 60% with his 15 outs
what is when there are two cards missing for a open ended straight draw?
Philink you should probably fold then lol
Before I even scrolled down to the comments section I knew there would be people saying "but you can't include outs if other people have them in their hand", and yep, it's full of 'em.. Some people will just never understand poker, no matter how long they play it.
Well I was going to be one of them. So smarty pants, give the explanation. I was actually going to ask if you change your calculations based on how many are playing. Obviously that decreases the odds that those outs are available. But I figure since those odds are the same for everyone it's a wash so you don't need to include them.
Matt I WBA
like the other guy, I wasn't going to declare anything as not countable because they are in potential hands. But I was going to ASK about it. And I was going to ask NOT because I'll never understand, but because as a new player, I am establishing my understanding. Good grief, some arrogant people will just never understand the new players they beat today will crush them tomorrow.
You don't need to be a good poker player to understand how basic maths and probability works. I don't even play poker, I just watch and understand the numbers behind it.
Matt I WBA so you still haven't explained why not.
because most of the time you can't tell if your opponents also have a flush draw. also the chance of you having the same flush draw as your opponents is low
and what about the cards in your opponent's hands?
Jonathan B that's for you to calculate -_-
Jonathan B man... Puts are cards you don't know about. And you don't know about your opposent cards, so they count in the outs
@@TheLavzz And there's a difference between heads up and full table percentages but you dont really include them
@@TheLavzz Br mano?
Why outs are always calculated by flush?
If you have 13 outs on the flop, then: 13*4= 52% chance of hitting it on the turn or river!
when you start dreaming about gambling, that's when you can start making a tutorial about gambling
deuce instead of two?
Yep in poker terms
WTF! Dude, What!? how many outs?
The problem with all of these "outs" is they don't factor in what the other players have or had an folded and the card peeled off between each street. For example, if all the example hands were hands held by actual players, the "Outs" would not exist in the deck.
Make sense. Do you have the real probabilities sir?
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There are 4 outs of 4rs only if you play all by yourself.. the chances to hit a 4 out of the all 4 cards possible available in the pack are not that high since as Ive said there are other players on the table.. so what we are talking about?
Vladimir Popa But when will you know what cards are they holding?
The chances are still the same d'oh.
+Vladimir Popa You don't know what your opponents have and so their cards are included in the probability calculation (we aren't just counting how many cards are un-dealt).
+cooldude 4172 we don't know what the opponents have, that's what I say.. so the probability of hiting a 4 out of all possible 4rs during the flop, turn, etc. it's not that high since other players may have 4 in their hands..
Vladimir Popa But we are not talking about someone watching the game being played. We are talking about as a player who doesn't know the oponnents cards. That's how you PLAY poker.
Well.. Going by your logic if they don't have a 4 which is much more likely than the fact that they do have a 4.. You are a much bigger favourite ( or a much smaller dog). So for simplicity we just ignore those unknown variables
Whoa nelly.....(first example) he said to make the hand he needed a four, and there are four fours in the deck, so there are four outs..... so this counts the possible fours that might be held as hole cards by opponents ? Then how can they be? They can never serve you, they belong to someone else you dont know where the fours are they might not all be yet to draw.
+wotan237 You don't know what your opponents have and so their cards are included in the probability calculation (we aren't just counting how many cards are un-dealt).
Really the 4 of hearts should be discounted too. If you're up against more than one opponent it's likely they are drawing to hearts. Suppose I held K6 of hearts on that board and you held 5,6 of diamonds. The 4 of hearts is no good to you. As a flush beats a straight.
I smell fish.
My only problem with this is the rate of which I could only process this kind of information in live hands. No matter how much I practice my mind just cannot process how many outs I have live.
I use a calculator at poker it helps me drastically
3:27 can someone explain how it’s 6 instead of 8
Because we already exhausted A love and 6 love in the flush, so the outs of straight will be 6 instead of 8
why do people say douze/dues/(I dont know how to write it) instead of two?
Duece lol. And it's just common poker lingo.
so the odds of the hands are determined by the "outs" from the game. the more "outs" you have from your hand, the most likely you can win. And it is advisable to not fold during these moments.
I have a question for the fellow poker pros out there, I was in a game of Hold'em with *9 Players* with the stakes at *10K/20K.*
the hands given to me was a K/10 and the flop was K 2 3. The problem is that the players are insisting the table to go *All In or Nothing.* with the stakes at hand and I have 5 seconds to decide, should I call or fold?
Regardless of how many hands are drawn, the players are quite adapted to go all in or nothing. And based on my encounter, I have lost a sum of 2.5M in the process. Not to say I'm complaining, but how do I decide to make a proper move? folding every hand would be a shame, thus going all in would be risky. How do I handle the situation?
Thank you for reading, I appreciate that very much.
Honestly, in the straight explanation at 1:00 if that is the board Q,2,3 and I hold 56d. I really wouldn't count the 4 of hearts as an out. Especially, if I'm up against 3 or more players. Most likely one of them is on a flush draw and once a heart hits I'm drawing dead as a flush beats a straight. So 3 outs 4C, 4D, 4S.
There'd be a 17.2% chance of getting the straight 4h, so I guess it mightn't be worth taking unless the cards in the flop weren't matching.
I have a question though. At one point, he implied that an ace can be worth less than 2, when he said that [A 2 3 4 5] would give a straight. Does this mean you could sort of imagine the 13 cards arranged in a circle? For example, could [J Q K A 2] be considered a straight? or [Q K A 2 3]?
No, It's a bit more accurate to say the Ace plays the role of either a 1 or an Ace. So you can have A [2 3 4 5] translate to [1 2 3 4 5] but not [Q K A 2 3] because that would be [11 12 1 2 3] or [11 12 13 2 3].
Thanks
I was playing a online table and as he said 6 5 of diamonds I got dealt 6 5 of diamonds and made a full house with another 6 and two more 5s. Is the universe telling me something?
Are you not supposed to subtract the amount of cards in ur hand and amount of cards in the flop from ur calculation ?!??
With the A,7 example you have more outs because it would make a straight draw
No it wouldn't...
So, where's the "calculations"? Counting outs is not calculating the odds or % of making a hand.
There are about 50 cards in a pack or less (it depends on the number of people playing )...if you want to calculate the percentage you can double the outs and that is approximately the percentage
@@yasintornaci7873 don't forget that there are two chances to get the cards you want (The turn and the river) which doubles your odds again. For example, a hand with 15 outs has a 60% chance of earning a flush or a straight, which may not sound like a lot but it's one of the best chances you'll find in poker, and either way you get closer to the real value by guessing what your opponent has aswell by how they bet (if they raise a lot at the turn, you can have a good idea of what cards they have).
Oh and even further if you bring in the pot!! A good tip is to only call or bet if the percentage you have also stacks up to that of the pot, to make it worth your while. For example, if you have 12 outs, you have a 48% chance of getting the cards you need, so only bother if the pot is twice what you've put in. If you have 5 outs, then you have a 20% chance of getting the cards you need, so only bother staying in the game if the pot is 5x what you put in. This means you won't stay in pots that aren't worth it, and you won't raise unnecessarily with a hand that's unlikely to win.
-also, this is an obvious tip, but you probably shouldn't be in in the first place if you don't already have a winning hand by the flop (at least a pair). I guess the exception would be if you have 10+ outs
who else was waiting for the turn
There may be 4 4s in the deck but I always say there are probably 4s in other peoples hands.
+wvb628 You don't know what your opponents have and so their cards are included in the probability calculation (we aren't just counting how many cards are un-dealt).
correct, that's what i'm trying to say.
Its simple math.
great video explaining this.
I dindt understand a thing
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Nine outs for a flush? Well... as long as you're playing on your own.
He didn’t shuffle the cards and he is playing by himself
You didnn't explain How to Calculate Outs. Video title is not correct.
I try to watch this video I don’t even know what he talking about
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But if you're folding every time you've less than 12 outs, then you'll be folding all the time.
He never said fold if you have less than 12 outs.
i wonder if he knows it's pronounced two
First finally.
Did anyone else get totally mind lost in this video?
It's actually very simple addition and subtraction...You just need to know the basics of a card deck e.g. How cards many of each suit. You would probably have gotten it easier if he did another flop or two with different non sequential hole cards....He actually just taught me a stronger method of hand understanding and out calculation for the first time in my 4 decades of playing poker..
.Flop; K of-c 9 of-d -5-of-h ---Your hole cards K-5...gives you 2 K's and 2- 5's left in deck = total outs 4 -------------------------2+2=4... Decent hand, not strong though.
Same flop...Hole cards...7-8 ...gut shot straight...Need a six...4 in deck = 4 outs....
Flop K -d ...9d...5c....Hole cards 7-d---8d ~~~9 diamonds left in deck, plus 4 -6's = 13 outs - 6d for flush= 12 outs.
+godbluffvdgg thanks that helped ease my mind
godbluffvdgg what is a gun shot strait
I refuse to calculate 'odds'. I can examine the deck ,the bet, what's in my hand and determine if it's worth it. Hold 'em is unpredictable you can make a educated judgment without the %.
Too much technical terminology, still good though
+Zakawaka45 like what? Lol nearly no jargon used except for "gut shot" which is pretty self explainatory is it not? You should steer away from /r/poker as well lol
Bodhi Geraci mate what even is poker though
Zakawaka45 what.
I didnt learn anything not working, big scam! thanks for your attention.
1st comment. :)
video sucks. it neglects to tell you the most important thing of all. the pct of hitting on turn and river and how you calculate it. also vs pot odds. especially since this was a 4 minute video that's plenty of time
Is it just a matter of dividing the number of outs by the amount of cards still in the deck?
He simplifies it. It's up to you to do the math in your head. 46 cards total. The flop provides the variables needed to make your equation. If I have two hearts in my hand, regardless of the face value, and the flop happens to have two hearts, I now have four hearts in my hand. That makes nine possible hearts or outs. That is one variable. Your next would be the face value. If you have a possible flush but low kickers, you have to take that into account in your equation. That is just an example, but also remember that poker is all about luck.