Do you use implied odds at the poker table? Also, check out my other new video with the simple strategy that skyrocketed my results: ruclips.net/video/OJyHQLMxASY/видео.html
My rule if thumb for set mining is 12-15x. Meaning I need to win that many xBB to make it worth the call. Using your example with 100BB effective, if he would have made it 8BB to go I’d lean to letting it go. 6BB was about break even. 4BB, will take that all day long.
Another excellent video! As a new poker player (played 6 months now), I have found your videos to be the most useful! Of course I was losing first, especially to tilt, but thanks to your videos, I understand the long term aspect of the game much better, especially the correct ratio between the bankroll and the buy-in of the games I should be playing. Now I'm even starting to make profit at small stakes! Not very impressive, but it's the right direction at least :)
Thanks to you I now have a better understanding of implied odds. in small stack cash/tournaments, when a player raises preflop, you can be pretty sure that they’re raising with big pairs Aces, Kings, queens, jacks or big drawing hands AK, AQ, AJ. In that case, my implied odds go way up when I’m calling When low pairs, suited connectors or suited gapers J9, 57 j10...etc. Thanks 🙏
Would you be willing to do a video on defending from the big blind? I would love to hear your take on it. Some of the training sites suggest a very wide defending range, but I feel like in a lot of games we should be defending pretty snug.
I haven't even watched the video yet, but MAAAAAAN! This is the difference between winning and losing in no limit poker. Both overestimating and underestimating implied odds.
I think going all-in on the turn would have been a good play. From our point of view, there's two suits (Diamonds & Spades) that could come out to potentially give the opponent the flush they're potentially trying to make. From their point of view, there's just one suit (either Diamonds or Spades, depending on what they're holding). If you go all-in on the turn, there's no further room for this kind of "funny business". I'd therefore argue that waiting for the river was arguably a mistake.
Great vid, Reenforces my basic understanding of Implied odds. Using a small set like the one used is Perfect, I recently played a Hand Identical to this, just did not take it to the river, got it in on the Turn. Probably could have gotten one more street of value.
Hey Nate, as always great lesson. Can you make a clip where "the amount we need to make/implied odd" on what future street(s) based on what the villain bets?
Thanks for this Nathan. Clear and simple explanation of implied odds. The hand example vids are great, I'm especially keen to see some examples of hands when it comes to making marginal call/fold decisions.
Hi Nathan, I just wanna say that I recently bought your Microstakes playbook and it has had an immediate effect on my winrate even though I have not even read the whole book yet. The tips and strategies have been extremely helpful and has drastically increased my winrate. Keep up the great work!
My favorite usage of implied odds is hands like this : Hero opens pocket kings, BB calls. 400bb deep. Flop TT3r. Hero cbets and gets checkraised. Hero calls knowing full well BB always has trips or better. Turn's a king. BB gets stacked.
Two questions you can maybe answer. 1. You say VPIP of 29 is too high, but if I play all the hands you recommend playing I am usually around 28-29, so what am I doing wrong? 2. Lets say you have pocket 4’s and the flop comes A39 rainbow. Will you allways fold a bet or is there a percentage that you would call and if so what percentage. Same question for the river if turn is also not a 4. I tend to fold almost all bets except for the stupid 1bb bets of course
Small pocket pairs I limp in as cheaply as possible but will pay quite a lot if necessary. The larger the number of players to see the flop the better when I have small pocket pairs. A larger number of players increases pot size and also increases the odds one of them will have something good to bet on. So I like a lot of players to be participating in the hand when I have a suited or paired pocket. Those hands either hit or they miss and usually they miss so I don't want to pay more than necessary for a flop peek. I definitely limp long odds pockets preflop. A raise just chases prospective players away and increases your cost. Usually if you hit a flush on the flop you have to waste a turn convincing your opponents you don't have the flush. Also flushes are very vulnerable to the pair on the board. If you have a set with a pair on the board well then that's a different story altogether. Pocket pairs are way better than suited connectors but I always limp the low to middle pairs to the flop. I'm not a big winner so maybe that's totally wrong thinking but it makes sense to me. ..
Limping in position can be very good, eg you limp behind other limpers, or you overcall after seeing a raise and a call. But limping out of position (=open limping) will always be a pretty fishy play.
@@FefeLeVrai well the whole point is to encourage lesser hands to bet into you so why not look "fishy"? I think getting a look at the flop with as little expense as possible is the right approach when playing a long shot big payoff pocket. If it makes you look weak all the better. ..
Trying to see a flop for cheap is good. The problem is, limping UTG is a bad way to do that. Because there's a lot of players left to act, so you can see a raise and a 3bet, and then you'll have to fold. Also, even if you do get to see the flop, you'll have to play out of position, which makes it pretty hard to get paid with your set. You'll have to checkraise, which is not a great play against the weak players you're targeting, since they're very passive so you can't expect them to bet. While if you're in position, you can raise if they bet and you can bet if they check to you, so you'll never miss value.
@@FefeLeVrai I think it's worth a single BB bet even when UTG. Perhaps I'm wrong. If people raise it, it means they think they have something and they will possibly post a continuation bet after the flop so.. it's not a terrible idea to call a small preflop raise if it comes back around. A large call is not justified preflop in my opinion. A good way to coax others to bet large when you are UTG post flop is to bet very small like 2 BB's. They will often conclude you are unintentionally revealing a weak hand such as middle or low pair and raise you, especially betting that way on the turn or river. It depends on how aggressive your opponents are of course. A calling station is another story altogether but a lot of people will bite on a 2 BB bet on the turn and raise you up even if they have nothing. ..
More people in the hand you run the risk of somebody catching something better then you. However, I do agree with getting in cheaply to see the flop. If it's not expensive I will try getting in with connectors, low pocket pairs and A through 10. But this depends on my chip stack.
One thing that I absolutely hate about implied odds calculator, is that it underestimates your opponents fold rate and the rate of you hitting your hand and your opponent making a better hand. Based on implied odds, if you are playing deep stack $1-$2 or $2-$5, you should be calling almost everything
Good. But there are always the times when he has the AA or other set pair.. I've been busted a few times under that scenario as well. Very painful. Lol.
Hi Nathan, thank you for this great video. What does implied odds mean when you have a big stack in a no limit holdem cash game? In what ways should I play differently when I have 200bb for instance?
Thanks Pat! When stacks are 200bb+ deep speculative hands like suited connectors and suited aces go up bigtime in value. Basically anything that is capable of making the nuts.
6-14: I have on several occasions used a raise like this to 'draw in' my opponent. I've found that often, if - for instance - I were holding pocket Aces and put in a large be when that third Ace came up, then my opponent would often fold. I try to bluff with a low bet to try to sucker them in! LOL
My first NL25 game until now with 30 $ account total. Opponent had QQ and I had 888 at flop and I was out of position. I bet 75 % Pot at every street and he always called. And I win 16 $ YEAH. PokerSnowie rated his calls as ok.
Hello Nathan. I just bought your book, crushing the microstakes a few days ago and i was wondering if set mining is still profitable in today's games. Should i call raieses with poker pairs even from the small blind? i'm playing nl5. Thank you.
It really depends on the player types involved, the stack sizes and the raise sizes, like I discuss in this video. Typically versus a lot of the decent to good regs, set mining isn't as possible as it used to be. But it is still profitable against most of the weaker regs and the rec players. I hope my book helps you!
I don't think so. Pocket 10's are the only concern. But odds would be they hit 2 pair or are overplaying TPTK. I think a jam on the turn would be troubling as that's the line pocket 10's would take.
There would be no purpose though. Suckouts suck because you lose due to luck, not due to poor play. You can play absolutely perfectly, GTO, hell your opponent could even play with their cards face up the entire hand and you might still lose to an ugly card on the river.
I was a fish once, but after watching your videos I use my fins like arms,pulling myself through the mud and I can breathe now when not in the water. I think I have developed lungs. Things are looking up.
At some point you have to realize poker is a zero sum game. All your winnings are coming from the other players and the maximum potential you can win is visible. Implied odds should be roughly calculated the moment you sit down. If the max buy-in for a table is $200 and you see the majority of the other players are sitting on stacks of $100 or less, implied odds should tell you to pick a better table. Implied odds are critical, specifically to opening flush draw type hands and set mining as well.
There are ways you can bluff weak players if you can hand read them. For example when a passive fish shows strength on the flop, and then the turn/river change the board state completely (eg bring a 3-flush, 4-straight etc), you can absolutely be blasting it with any 2 cards because his range, made hands on the flop, has become complete garbage.
There is value in bluffing, but against the right players. For example, in this video I made last week, I discuss a big bluff: ruclips.net/video/OJyHQLMxASY/видео.html
I really need help because when I listen to anyone trying to explain pot odds in a youtube video my brain sees it as absolutely hypocrite. Why does it matter how much BB he has? Shouldn't it be just about how many outs you have? Cause it doesnt matter what the stack is... if you are completely dominated. That's where my poker learning right now stales. Thanks for taking the time to correct me. I guess I need an explanation for dummies.
Unlikely with such a small preflop bet. He also would have kept the foot on the gas during the betting streets. Slowplaying Aces is almost never a good idea.
Thanks Nathan, excellent content. Set mining against fish is always fun. If their stack is large enough, I'll 3 bet preflop to help get the STP ratio prepared for a jam. Earlier tonight I stacked a person twice with set over set. Typically hitting the 2nd or 3rd set totally blindsides someone.
I wonder blackrain, are you annoyed on every video repeating what is HUD, or because you are trained from poker to control your emotions its not a problem? Silly question probably
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Do you use implied odds at the poker table? Also, check out my other new video with the simple strategy that skyrocketed my results: ruclips.net/video/OJyHQLMxASY/видео.html
My rule if thumb for set mining is 12-15x. Meaning I need to win that many xBB to make it worth the call. Using your example with 100BB effective, if he would have made it 8BB to go I’d lean to letting it go. 6BB was about break even. 4BB, will take that all day long.
Whenever I am in that situation, villain has 88 😢
Another excellent video! As a new poker player (played 6 months now), I have found your videos to be the most useful! Of course I was losing first, especially to tilt, but thanks to your videos, I understand the long term aspect of the game much better, especially the correct ratio between the bankroll and the buy-in of the games I should be playing. Now I'm even starting to make profit at small stakes! Not very impressive, but it's the right direction at least :)
Thanks K N glad my videos help!
Excellent as always! Good analysis of this simple, but very important concept in poker.
Thanks orb, appreciate it!
Thanks to you I now have a better understanding of implied odds. in small stack cash/tournaments, when a player raises preflop, you can be pretty sure that they’re raising with big pairs Aces, Kings, queens, jacks or big drawing hands AK, AQ, AJ. In that case, my implied odds go way up when I’m calling When low pairs, suited connectors or suited gapers J9, 57 j10...etc.
Thanks 🙏
Would you be willing to do a video on defending from the big blind? I would love to hear your take on it. Some of the training sites suggest a very wide defending range, but I feel like in a lot of games we should be defending pretty snug.
I have only one thing to say. JUST EXCELLENT!!!
I haven't even watched the video yet, but MAAAAAAN! This is the difference between winning and losing in no limit poker. Both overestimating and underestimating implied odds.
I think going all-in on the turn would have been a good play. From our point of view, there's two suits (Diamonds & Spades) that could come out to potentially give the opponent the flush they're potentially trying to make. From their point of view, there's just one suit (either Diamonds or Spades, depending on what they're holding). If you go all-in on the turn, there's no further room for this kind of "funny business". I'd therefore argue that waiting for the river was arguably a mistake.
i agree
Great vid, Reenforces my basic understanding of Implied odds. Using a small set like the one used is Perfect, I recently played a Hand Identical to this, just did not take it to the river, got it in on the Turn.
Probably could have gotten one more street of value.
Glad it helped!
Hey Nate, as always great lesson. Can you make a clip where "the amount we need to make/implied odd" on what future street(s) based on what the villain bets?
what would have happened if the 4 didnt appear on the flop? what would you do then?
Thanks so much I’ve been listening to Jonathan little and he had me confused
Thanks for this Nathan. Clear and simple explanation of implied odds. The hand example vids are great, I'm especially keen to see some examples of hands when it comes to making marginal call/fold decisions.
Glad you liked this one ladleyking! Also, thanks for the feedback, more tougher spots coming in the future.
thanks man!
learned a lot in 13 mins already
Glad it helped!
Glad it helped!
Hi Nathan, I just wanna say that I recently bought your Microstakes playbook and it has had an immediate effect on my winrate even though I have not even read the whole book yet. The tips and strategies have been extremely helpful and has drastically increased my winrate. Keep up the great work!
Glad to hear my book is helping you Jack!
My favorite usage of implied odds is hands like this :
Hero opens pocket kings, BB calls. 400bb deep.
Flop TT3r. Hero cbets and gets checkraised. Hero calls knowing full well BB always has trips or better.
Turn's a king. BB gets stacked.
Two questions you can maybe answer.
1. You say VPIP of 29 is too high, but if I play all the hands you recommend playing I am usually around 28-29, so what am I doing wrong?
2. Lets say you have pocket 4’s and the flop comes A39 rainbow. Will you allways fold a bet or is there a percentage that you would call and if so what percentage. Same question for the river if turn is also not a 4. I tend to fold almost all bets except for the stupid 1bb bets of course
So "implied odds" is just an euphemism for gambling?
what website do you use to play poker?
Thanks for the video. Would be great to see what your thoughts are if the flop were J, 10, 3 (2 hearts)
Small pocket pairs I limp in as cheaply as possible but will pay quite a lot if necessary. The larger the number of players to see the flop the better when I have small pocket pairs. A larger number of players increases pot size and also increases the odds one of them will have something good to bet on.
So I like a lot of players to be participating in the hand when I have a suited or paired pocket. Those hands either hit or they miss and usually they miss so I don't want to pay more than necessary for a flop peek.
I definitely limp long odds pockets preflop. A raise just chases prospective players away and increases your cost.
Usually if you hit a flush on the flop you have to waste a turn convincing your opponents you don't have the flush. Also flushes are very vulnerable to the pair on the board. If you have a set with a pair on the board well then that's a different story altogether. Pocket pairs are way better than suited connectors but I always limp the low to middle pairs to the flop.
I'm not a big winner so maybe that's totally wrong thinking but it makes sense to me.
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Limping in position can be very good, eg you limp behind other limpers, or you overcall after seeing a raise and a call. But limping out of position (=open limping) will always be a pretty fishy play.
@@FefeLeVrai well the whole point is to encourage lesser hands to bet into you so why not look "fishy"?
I think getting a look at the flop with as little expense as possible is the right approach when playing a long shot big payoff pocket. If it makes you look weak all the better.
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Trying to see a flop for cheap is good. The problem is, limping UTG is a bad way to do that. Because there's a lot of players left to act, so you can see a raise and a 3bet, and then you'll have to fold. Also, even if you do get to see the flop, you'll have to play out of position, which makes it pretty hard to get paid with your set. You'll have to checkraise, which is not a great play against the weak players you're targeting, since they're very passive so you can't expect them to bet. While if you're in position, you can raise if they bet and you can bet if they check to you, so you'll never miss value.
@@FefeLeVrai I think it's worth a single BB bet even when UTG. Perhaps I'm wrong.
If people raise it, it means they think they have something and they will possibly post a continuation bet after the flop so.. it's not a terrible idea to call a small preflop raise if it comes back around.
A large call is not justified preflop in my opinion.
A good way to coax others to bet large when you are UTG post flop is to bet very small like 2 BB's. They will often conclude you are unintentionally revealing a weak hand such as middle or low pair and raise you, especially betting that way on the turn or river. It depends on how aggressive your opponents are of course. A calling station is another story altogether but a lot of people will bite on a 2 BB bet on the turn and raise you up even if they have nothing.
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More people in the hand you run the risk of somebody catching something better then you. However, I do agree with getting in cheaply to see the flop. If it's not expensive I will try getting in with connectors, low pocket pairs and A through 10. But this depends on my chip stack.
How do implied odds change in relation to stack depth and villaintype?
One thing that I absolutely hate about implied odds calculator, is that it underestimates your opponents fold rate and the rate of you hitting your hand and your opponent making a better hand. Based on implied odds, if you are playing deep stack $1-$2 or $2-$5, you should be calling almost everything
Good. But there are always the times when he has the AA or other set pair.. I've been busted a few times under that scenario as well. Very painful. Lol.
Hi Nathan, thank you for this great video. What does implied odds mean when you have a big stack in a no limit holdem cash game? In what ways should I play differently when I have 200bb for instance?
Thanks Pat! When stacks are 200bb+ deep speculative hands like suited connectors and suited aces go up bigtime in value. Basically anything that is capable of making the nuts.
6-14: I have on several occasions used a raise like this to 'draw in' my opponent. I've found that often, if - for instance - I were holding pocket Aces and put in a large be when that third Ace came up, then my opponent would often fold. I try to bluff with a low bet to try to sucker them in! LOL
If the turn were a Q and he gets tricky and bets half pot are we still jaming on the River ??
What's the most you would have called here? If he made it $9 is it still a call? And same question if he's a reg, say a 24/21 3b 9 was to do it?
What if he had found a diamond on the river and made that same weak bet? Would you have folded?
whats the most hands you have folded in a row
what tools do you use to find and then plug your leaks? Solvers seem a bit much for a semi pro 10NL/25NL player
I use PokerTracker to find my leaks. I show how to set it up in this video: ruclips.net/video/MZ_m7KL2OME/видео.html
Hey , cool video! Should you be calling a bigger sized bet against a player like that ?
My first NL25 game until now with 30 $ account total. Opponent had QQ and I had 888 at flop and I was out of position. I bet 75 % Pot at every street and he always called. And I win 16 $ YEAH. PokerSnowie rated his calls as ok.
Hello Nathan. I just bought your book, crushing the microstakes a few days ago and i was wondering if set mining is still profitable in today's games. Should i call raieses with poker pairs even from the small blind? i'm playing nl5. Thank you.
It really depends on the player types involved, the stack sizes and the raise sizes, like I discuss in this video. Typically versus a lot of the decent to good regs, set mining isn't as possible as it used to be. But it is still profitable against most of the weaker regs and the rec players. I hope my book helps you!
Nice video.very informative
Thanks Manu!
Would a pot sized bet from villain on the turn be a fold from us?
I don't think so. Pocket 10's are the only concern. But odds would be they hit 2 pair or are overplaying TPTK. I think a jam on the turn would be troubling as that's the line pocket 10's would take.
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I think it would be helpful to show some decisions that were right but resulted in losses because I’ve never seen a suck out on here as far as I know
There would be no purpose though. Suckouts suck because you lose due to luck, not due to poor play. You can play absolutely perfectly, GTO, hell your opponent could even play with their cards face up the entire hand and you might still lose to an ugly card on the river.
you do great serivce
Glad my poker videos are helping you, thanks for watching!
I was a fish once, but after watching your videos I use my fins like arms,pulling myself through the mud and I can breathe now when not in the water. I think I have developed lungs. Things are looking up.
Never would have read that with limited info
In my case he is usually on a flush draw or with a higher set and I always lose :D
But what if he was slow playing pocket aces? Now your screwed.
My luck is the guy would have a flush ???
What if villan is smart and has AA and only checks and call our move 😂
Im always amused when fishes makes such sizing letting me hit two pair plus and stack them with their whatever big pair that is
And then they river out on you.
@@ctraugh2005 Happens ofc they most of the time not drawing dead
At some point you have to realize poker is a zero sum game. All your winnings are coming from the other players and the maximum potential you can win is visible. Implied odds should be roughly calculated the moment you sit down. If the max buy-in for a table is $200 and you see the majority of the other players are sitting on stacks of $100 or less, implied odds should tell you to pick a better table. Implied odds are critical, specifically to opening flush draw type hands and set mining as well.
Makes you wonder what value there is in bluffing in these games
There are ways you can bluff weak players if you can hand read them. For example when a passive fish shows strength on the flop, and then the turn/river change the board state completely (eg bring a 3-flush, 4-straight etc), you can absolutely be blasting it with any 2 cards because his range, made hands on the flop, has become complete garbage.
There is value in bluffing, but against the right players. For example, in this video I made last week, I discuss a big bluff: ruclips.net/video/OJyHQLMxASY/видео.html
I really need help because when I listen to anyone trying to explain pot odds in a youtube video my brain sees it as absolutely hypocrite. Why does it matter how much BB he has? Shouldn't it be just about how many outs you have? Cause it doesnt matter what the stack is... if you are completely dominated. That's where my poker learning right now stales. Thanks for taking the time to correct me. I guess I need an explanation for dummies.
I was worried he have pair aces
Unlikely with such a small preflop bet. He also would have kept the foot on the gas during the betting streets. Slowplaying Aces is almost never a good idea.
Not a lot of info on implied odds here.. ?
I'm bad it's crazy^^
Opponent could've easily had pocket aces.
Why would you think he has pocket aces
Thanks Nathan, excellent content. Set mining against fish is always fun. If their stack is large enough, I'll 3 bet preflop to help get the STP ratio prepared for a jam. Earlier tonight I stacked a person twice with set over set. Typically hitting the 2nd or 3rd set totally blindsides someone.
Thanks Kevin I appreciate it!
Cool
wow on one of his video says dont slow play states and now he is saying just to call. watever man
i flopped set 4s, opponent stood up, then jack on river to bust me
so thanks for NOTHING
next player short shoves with 82 against my QQ, hits flush!!
then i raise big with AA, PREFLOP, 33 shoves, im dead, i dont know why you dont run into those situations
He does not tell us the crucial secret why this is very profitable. I find out ...
I wonder blackrain, are you annoyed on every video repeating what is HUD, or because you are trained from poker to control your emotions its not a problem? Silly question probably
Na it's fine haha, I have many beginners who watch my videos. I just quickly explain what a HUD is for them.