I know someone in who moved to Pinehurst. 1st & 3rd groups his career. It is a very nice place, and he has a very nice home. P.S. Those field fleas(I think called "chiggers"?) fucking suck dude. I got used to the humidity in the summer, but I had one foot bitten by a bunch of those. Yeah fuck those microscopic mites lol.
Haha. Great video! I spent time in 3rd and 7th SFG(A). Here's my take: 1st: The Samurai Group (before combatives were cool). Key phrases: "Flexible like a rubber dick", "Let's settle this in the Dojo". 1st Group was were I wanted to go after the Q because they were actively doing MTTs and were in good locations, but they sent me to 3rd instead. :( 3rd: Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap. In the beginning, we didn't have much of a budget and had to have bake sales to sponsor our trips. We got the guys that were kicked out from other SF Groups and new guys straight out of the Q. It led to a very "anti establishment" kind of vibe with plenty of outside the box thinkers. Reminded me of the Dirty Dozen. It was a blast. 5th: Prior to 9/11 those guys weren't doing crap or were training in terrible places in the Middle East. "I hate my life" was the typical attitude from guys over there. After 9/11 they got what they wished for, but never got a break. 7th: "Hookers and Blow". Great TDYs, great Host Nation soldiers and great locations. Loved it! 10th: The rule followers with that German dry sense of humor. They have a whole Bn in Germany and it seriously reflected on the Group. In my SFARTAETC class, half were from 10th. Their presence, made it a "Viking" kinda of class and very fun. Overall, I'd say that the Group's stereotypes were based on the cultures they worked in. It was always fun to work with guys in other Groups and see how different, but the same we all were. DOL brother!
Wow this is awesome lol. Wish I would have had this before I made the video. So cool to hear about this type of stuff from different generations. Thanks brother. DOL.
My step dad was 1st group in the 90s, he knocked my mom up while at fort Lewis and my little bro was born at Madigan in 93. I remember him teaching me curse words in Thai when I was 6. I joined in 05 and went 11B. No SF for me. I was in Ramadi in 06 and the military was never the same for me after that so I got out in 08. Missed stop-loss cut off by a month. Thanks for your videos, I always looked at my step dad the way a young man looks at his favorite professional athlete. Thanks for being a real one brother.
So you were there while TF Bruiser was happening with Jocko and Chris Kyle? Its blowing up right now on Spec ops vet podcasts and even a few infantry Marines in Ramadi have come forward to talk.
@@jportega9404 we got there in Oct so we only worked with team 3 guys for like a month. I'm pretty sure bruiser was in western ramadi while we were at Corregidor. Team 5 rotated in and we worked with them until the beginning of March. I'll say this... Ramadi was the wild fking west between the time I got there and probably right before the SEALs left for sure but I NEVER heard of any units killing civilians on purpose (definitely not more than once). That marine XO really comes across sounding like he full of sh*t. They were in a rowdy ass sector for sure but to blame the SEALs is silly man. AQ used Ramadi as a beacon for Jihad and dudes from all over the middle east and even eastern europe showed up there to kill Americans. Those marines need to take a chill pill
Thanks. Eric Deming's and the Marines talking say that Jocko let Chris Kyle loose on Ramadi to take out civilians and it angered the locals so much that they joined the foreign fighters looking to take out as many Americans as they can. The locals took out their anger on the way more exposed Marines. Few cities in Iraq had the locals up in arms against Americans aside from Ramadi and Fallujah as I hear from guys and that nearly all the terrorists were foreigners from outside sneaking into Iraq or their story goes. I'm waiting on Deming and the Marines involved to show up at a couple more spec ops vet pods. Deming went public a few years ago on 60 minutes about the drug issue in the Seals and their brass came down hard and booted out a bunch of guys with less-than-honorables.
@@jportega9404 lo and behold a new pod with Jocko and General MacFarlane dropped yesterday. 3:34:00 exactly they talk about my battalion in Ramadi. After finishing it this morning I didn't hear anything contrary to what I already knew you should check it out.
@@ValhallaVFT Tempting haha 5th puts a pretty good counteroffer with their "simulating the happiest Doncaster resident" experience, I wonder if the guys from the 75th that go SF usually end up there
Well let’s see what I can add. “5th Legion” was coined by COL John Mulholland. After the SFOQC I served my first assignment as a young CPT in 10th Group. The day I checked in at Fort Devens Massachusetts (being a kid from Brooklyn NY, I was thrilled to be close to home) the Adjutant handed me orders to 1st Bn at Panzer Kaserene ,Bad Tolz Germany. My CO there was Charlie Beckwith. He mentored me and I became his buddy. When I rotated with him CONUS to Bragg, he assigned me to COL Bob “Black Gloves” Mountel & the Blue Light Team, while Charlie selected the men and stood up SFOD-Delta. We were assigned to the new 1st Special Operations Command. Then Charlie and I in 1980 were at Desert One together during “Eagle Claw”. Afterwards He brought me along to stand up JSOC and later as a MAJ he sent me to Fort Belvoir, assigned to COL Jerry King and his Army of Northern Virginia the USAISA.
A good friend of mine was in 7th group and he worked with Tim Kennedy of all people. Apparently the other guys find him just as annoying as the rest of us🤣
@@WillS-x9y the only thing that I can think of is he was on John Mcphees CIF team but even then John had to whoop that ass because he was a out of line. First time the whole team whipped him, second time John gorilla stomped him because Tim was trying to intentionally injure his other CIF teammates so he could take their place on the helicopter. Shrek had to smash him🤣
@@WillS-x9y well to be fair he didn’t have any status at the time . He was brand new and wasn’t well known in mma at the time. Tim is annoying but he’s also a physical specimen that’s probably why he was picked it turned out he didn’t have the personality for it.
The way you described 5th is pretty accurate lol generally speaking of course im sure there's plenty of people who like it but retention, substance abuse/accidental overdose and suicide were big problems when I was there. And you absolutely get some of the worst countries I went to Tajikistan and Jordan not exactly vacation spots Jordan reminded of Iraq without all the destroyed buildings and Tajikistan was similar to Afghanistan without the violence.
You must have had a bad experience in Jordan. My experience was that it absolutely a vacation spot. Not Europe by any means but it has some great spots.
I was in JBLM and had friends from BJJ in 1st Group. They were dope and lighthearted. They were running ops in the Philippines at that time. They let me in that magnificent gym with them and work out with them for the combatives tournament. I was a big dude and the MSG there was a big dude so we were constantly grappling partners. They had a mat and a rope to climb and bags. They were good dudes. My unit got jealous and put a stop to it. I meet a third grouper who was getting out after losing his leg and he was like “*scoff* 1SFG, fucking Draft Dodging Ladyboy Loving nerds. I’d still have my leg if my deployments were to the Philippines.” 😂😂😂
7th Group guys should have the highest offspring count IMO cause I don't know how you get away with being deployed there and not just decide to massively procreate with the ladies there. Some of the most beautiful women in the world reside there, and you, as an SF guy, have the brawn, funds, and charms to sway as many as your arms can carry.
After graduation from Jump School at Ft. Benning (now Ft. Moore) in 1968 an SF recruiter came up to a small group of us and asked, "Any of you guys want to be your own boss?". I ended up serving in the 10th Group and later the 5th Group. Grew up in MACV-SOG as a OneZero out of CCC. In Ops, I always carried 600 rds ammo, ten frags, two WP, two CN grenades, two smoke, and one claymore. Plus the best weapon (when it worked) the prick 25. Life was serious, teams stayed to themselves. Practiced IA drills constantly when not on OPS. Went native with the Yards. Was on the receiving end of pretty near ever weapon the NVA had. Lucky to be alive. Still keep up my skills.
My brother has a similar story with similar time-line. He was 5th SF and was in the highlands with the "Yards" as you put it. (Montagnards) Have to wonder if you crossed paths at some point.
Truth! 😆 1st SFG is the best. It is the lattes and Birkenstocks group. It's also the group where your spouse can have a life. JBLM is surrounded by large cities with great jobs or universities, unlike many of the other groups. (also, the teams aren't as tight for that very reason - there's a life outside the team room)19th SFG is the Mormon group and 20th, wow... don't deploy with those guys to South America or you'll end up having to testify in court.
Baseball cap, t-shirt, board shorts and those cheap vinyl flip flops for me when I was in Asia. It's generally hot there, especially South East Asia, so maybe an iced latte but I feel like that'd be more true if you were stationed in Japan or got to visit Korea.
7th group members as some of them having a second family in Colombia, lol;..I hear the same thing for those deploying to the Philippines and finding a Filipino wife...which I hear they make good wives
@@1anre if plain white guys keep marrying the Latinas, in 20 years, we won't have big booty Latinas anymore. Those are strictly made with 100% latin blood. Conserve the big booty Latinas at all costs
When I was in Group, that was the stereotype I ended up hearing a lot for 7th Group. Lol. I've met several guys who were in 7th Group who said that they definitely have a kid or two in Central America. 1st Group does kind of have the reputation for being the vacation Group, but honestly only the guys who receive top marks and are considered the most elite get to go to 1st Group. At least that's how I understood it just before I went off from Active Duty.
I rode motorcycles with a bunch of guys and there was a tiny dude, maybe 5-03 and 120#, very quiet and humble, never said much. Found out later he was 3rd bat, 75th Rangers, and was the radio operator, lugging that big radio with the rest of his ruck while the big dudes ran light.
5th Grp must’ve changed. Pops was a 30 year SFer. He was in all you mentioned. He was one of only a handful who were in MACVSOG & Det-A, Berlin. I grew up between 60 miles south of Fayettnam and Okinawa.
I was 4th Psyops group Airborne Ranger, we were attached to 3rd group SF in Panama, they got us to Noriega place so we could jam Van Halen to scare him out , it worked.
I was an Army Range Officer (DAC) for 22 years and spent the last 10 supporting the 7th at Eglin. You nailed all but location. Camp Bull Simons is in Crestview about 45 minutes N of Destin. Not nitpicking, but it was more Southern AL than babies beaches and beer. I tell you, it was great to work with them. Especially SFAUC and C3/7. 90% of the Group were very professional and took shit seriously on the range. Planning through recovery. Great last assignment for me. Got to work with a 1SFG team late 90s when I was working ranges in Korea. Great guys with a real sense of humor. Got to play OPFOR in some CQB. [I'm also retired 22yr 11C] CCMCK is a great way to punch holes in someone's tactical hypothesis. On both sides. 😅 Saying that: There's little that can compare with being a DAC standing between a SFG and an MRTFB. Never a dull moment.😅 Keep up the great vids man.
Oh shoot didn’t know there were so many group meme stereotypes haha. 1st group sounds like a nice assignment 😂 japan, Hawaii, even Southeast Asia sounds nice. Vacation group best group? Though on a serious note do green berets still have the language component tied to that Cold War era mission of trying to rally locals against their government or getting them on-side? What was your language training like? And how’s it different from the students being like translators at Defense Language Institute?
Hey now...3rd Group is the shit. lol but hes right, we all make fun of each other and fight each other when we're not fighting terrorists. It pretty regular to walk into a team room and dudes are thrashin it out on the team room floor, then at 2pm, close the door and pass the drinks around.
To funny I was in 3rd group and the swinger thing is so true to laugh at now,but yeah I left 73rd rangers in 84 and and transferred to 3rd group in 84 when fucking shit was really crazy ,but it on my brother
I spent a lot of time with 1st SFG in Korea back in 88'. My BC was Lt.Col David L. Grange. Grange picked me up out of the turtle farm with 2 other guys, we were the first group of guys trained on the new SINCGARS radios, and he wanted us in his unit. We did DMZ like everyone else, but also, Grange had his guys from DELTA there for the 88 Olympics as a security and reaction force. I got to work with them and teach them all about the radio system and how to use it. Later , they would come over to our Infantry side and get tested for EIB's. All of them were good guys. Not party animals, not assholes, really nice, willing to talk to you, good people.
I was in A Co 1/503rd WPNs PLT 87-89 with Col Grange. Seven of us extended on the same day to stay in his BN. I think 18 people total in our Company. Best Commander who ever walked the planet, in my opinion. Guy was hard as nails a master tactician, smart and seemed to know everyone by name. He constantly pushed us to our limit, but we loved it. Every challenge built us up and he took heat for us when 2ID came at us. As a patrol leader, I hated the SINCGARS during the DMZ patrols. Fkin batteries fried if they got wet and you couldn't bag em. No radio = no HoW = no approaching the GPs = humping to the MSR and flaggin (which could take an hour). Glad they fixed that.
I have great respect for the SF past and present. What ironically impresses me the most is the language skills and the constant training in things not directly involving combat.
Retired 18Z. ODA 522 (5th) and 026 (10th), enjoyed my time in both GP's. Team's are very insulated from each other and Group's even more so, not sure about your conclusions, but it was humorous. I came from a paratrooper background E-6 (P) 82nd Abn/509th ABCT, and you find out quickly that being on a TM is NOTHING like big Army.
I know for WA state, the guard unit is A company, 1-19th special forces. I seem to recall that they were tasked with supporting 1st group? Makes some sense since my armor unit was tasked with support in Korea if anything popped off. Once again, all changed with Iraq and Afghanistan.
LOL so true. I was stationed at Campbell and still live in the Clarksville Area. Campbells mentality is everyone deploys in 101st . Yes this means you too 5th GP. LOL. Campbell really doesn't know how to relax and sit its butt down. its either NTC, JRTC , training or deploying. the air assault and pathfinder school is full of students as well as fast rope, SPIES and FRIES training. Need a job as a retiree, range control stays busy too lol. No surprise. 160th SOAR stays busy. heck, the the whole aviation brigade is constantly flying. I also was stationed at fort Carson where 2d and 3d BN 10 SFG is located. The ODA guys seem to love CO a lot more. Colorado Springs is gorgeous, the only thing that suck would be the airborne jumps hitting the DZ harder because the air is so much denser with the high altitude. 10th group built a really nice O course almost like the nasty nick at MacKall. I also was stationed at Bragg in the 82D. this was the 90s when 3d and 7th was at bragg and socom was still at MacDill AFB. I guess when SOCOM move to Bragg . its Bragg to me not liberty, 7th GP said " OK , then we go to Florida since we all can't fit on bragg and watch 82D hog up all the DZs for airborne operations LOL. 18th ABN Corps said we built two PXs and two commissaries and a new free fall training facility, what more do you want LOL. Can you see the facial expression on Q Course students when they PCS'd to Bragg for school to tell their families to move to bragg because were stuck at 3d SFG. start looking for a home in spring lake or bragg BLVD or All American . Stay away from the merc. that part of fayetteville is the true meaning of fayettenam. LOL.
Comment: Not in 1st group, though supported 1st group in the early 90's both professionally (set up land nav courses) and personally (was 135 lbs) so perfect size for the delta's for repelling and mock medical extracts as they were spinning up for working with indigenous forces in Asia. Question: What were the differences between the ODA's in 1st group at Lewis (JBLM) versus the Okinawa mafia (1/1)?
That probably needs a video all to itself. There is a lot of difference ranging from the culture, how we train/deploy, etc. in generality though, Oki is laid back, Lewis is more mission focused. Positives and negatives to each.
Former Bushman 3rd Grouper. Happier to be deployed down range than to be home in Fayette-nam. Bragg and Fayetteville both suck. I'd go back if I could though.
The group you’re assigned is based off your language, so if you get Chinese, 1st, Spanish? 7th group. Etc. best way to get the group you want is a request a language that will send you there.
@@ValhallaVFT fuck, I speak Spanish. But I went marines, got blown up, now I'm out. I was looking at army sf tho prior to enlisting. But too late now. Oh well. Now I got plenty of money to spare, time to spare, and rehabbing my body. Gonna go live it up when I'm back to normal
Served w/ 1SFG, 5SFG, and 10SFG, including down-range (2001-2006). In a good way, I found more similarities - than differences - among them in terms of professionalism. Command climate might vary a bit, based on the personalities of the individual Group, Bn and Co commanders. Notwithstanding constant rotations down range, morale always seemed high in SF. Although now retired, if called upon, I would gladly go back and serve in the Grps.
Im an 11b out of Campbell, but go out a lot to ranges, I shoot PRS and also just in general. Additionally, I had some training as partner forces with 5th. One thing I'll say : despite hearing that 5th group is "I hate my life, no fun allowed, etc" from a couple diff sources now, all the dudes from there have been great to me. Ive run into them around the area and they're always willing to talk, exchange numbers, spend hours their time offering advice and expertise, even spent a holiday with one of them. I've never met a group of individuals willing to go so far out of their way to bring another random joe up. Also, none of them have ever shit on reg army or scouts taking their course. I will admit, I can see how they got the rep. They aren't like super loose and jokey, but they arent assholes at all (not that you said that either). Im glad I ended up at Campbell and have 5th and 160th (and other arsof) around, creates a super motivating atmosphere.
I talk about this type of stuff in detail in my video about if you can choose your own group/mos/language. The short answer is not really, the long answer is it’s possible based of circumstance. And honestly all the groups spent a ton of time in combat, 3rd and 5th maybe a little more than the others.
I made a wishlist post Airborne school in preffered order: 10th, 7th, 5th, 3rd, and lastly 1st. The good news is I got one on my list, the bad news it was my last choice 😂
I see the Army still pulls one over on you if you make a list in preferred order. Should've listed 1st Group first then made it really seem like you wanted to go to Asia. 😄 When I was in the Army, everyone made it sound like going to 7th Group was like winning the lottery. Maybe that's true if you went to South America but I was often sent to Central America where it was hot, humid, insects everywhere and prostitutes at every corner. Not to mention the gangs and if you did dumb things there maybe even get caught up with a Cartel or two. Lol.
I spent the majority of my career in 1BDE at campbell and 5th group was always doing some kind of cross training with us (mostly training us on shit 😂) but some of the best dudes ive ever worked with, weird as shit some of them but good dudes
Being staioned at Ft Campbell as a regular Army guy 5th group guys seemed pretty laid back to me. Maybe that was just an outsider looking in. Then again every SF group seems chill compared to the big conventional army
I went to C Company 2nd Bn 10th SFG at Devens in Jan 86, had a great time but didn't like the SR mission if the cold war went hot so reupped for 1/1 SFG and it was a bit of a culture shock at how different 1/1 was from 10th. Lot of shit happened my first six months on Oki, battalion SGM was arrested in Thailand by US Marshals, a friend detonated a toe popper in the team room and died a few days later, 60 minutes did a episode about 1/1 SFG allegedly gun running and drug smuggling Then to SWC and back to 1/1 for another 6 years before going to SWC and then ASOC. Lot of truth to the swingers, had heard about that being a thing at Toltz and guess it was problamatic in Oki because my in brief with the BC he had told me infidelity in any way was not tolerated. Glad I went into SF before it became a branch and grew so rapidly and no way could I have done 29 years in big Army.
Love the vids man, quick question would you recommend a younger guy to go ranger instead of sf considering that sf seems to have a more mature crowd? Both seem like solid options but there seems to be a age gap between the 2
"...And some guys maybe like living in Fayetteville."
Yeah, all three of them.
lol that’s probably still on the high end
Ok Raeford and Hope Mills 😂
@@Bourbon101LRSDSouthern Pines, Aberdeen and Pinehurst gang
I know someone in who moved to Pinehurst. 1st & 3rd groups his career. It is a very nice place, and he has a very nice home.
P.S. Those field fleas(I think called "chiggers"?) fucking suck dude. I got used to the humidity in the summer, but I had one foot bitten by a bunch of those. Yeah fuck those microscopic mites lol.
The worst part about being in 5th Group is that we were surrounded by the 101st on Fort Campbell and had to deal with all their stupid rules.
What year 1989 Fort Campbell was the zoo
@@Jafo979 I was there 2005-2009.
@@martinsmall3284 left the second time 1997 good times
It's much better now
@@samuelwallace2782 good to hear. The new compound looks great!
Haha. Great video! I spent time in 3rd and 7th SFG(A). Here's my take:
1st: The Samurai Group (before combatives were cool). Key phrases: "Flexible like a rubber dick", "Let's settle this in the Dojo". 1st Group was were I wanted to go after the Q because they were actively doing MTTs and were in good locations, but they sent me to 3rd instead. :(
3rd: Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap. In the beginning, we didn't have much of a budget and had to have bake sales to sponsor our trips. We got the guys that were kicked out from other SF Groups and new guys straight out of the Q. It led to a very "anti establishment" kind of vibe with plenty of outside the box thinkers. Reminded me of the Dirty Dozen. It was a blast.
5th: Prior to 9/11 those guys weren't doing crap or were training in terrible places in the Middle East. "I hate my life" was the typical attitude from guys over there. After 9/11 they got what they wished for, but never got a break.
7th: "Hookers and Blow". Great TDYs, great Host Nation soldiers and great locations. Loved it!
10th: The rule followers with that German dry sense of humor. They have a whole Bn in Germany and it seriously reflected on the Group. In my SFARTAETC class, half were from 10th. Their presence, made it a "Viking" kinda of class and very fun.
Overall, I'd say that the Group's stereotypes were based on the cultures they worked in. It was always fun to work with guys in other Groups and see how different, but the same we all were. DOL brother!
Wow this is awesome lol. Wish I would have had this before I made the video. So cool to hear about this type of stuff from different generations. Thanks brother. DOL.
SFARTAETC isn't fun when even mildly hung over...
My step dad was 1st group in the 90s, he knocked my mom up while at fort Lewis and my little bro was born at Madigan in 93. I remember him teaching me curse words in Thai when I was 6. I joined in 05 and went 11B. No SF for me. I was in Ramadi in 06 and the military was never the same for me after that so I got out in 08. Missed stop-loss cut off by a month. Thanks for your videos, I always looked at my step dad the way a young man looks at his favorite professional athlete. Thanks for being a real one brother.
So you were there while TF Bruiser was happening with Jocko and Chris Kyle? Its blowing up right now on Spec ops vet podcasts and even a few infantry Marines in Ramadi have come forward to talk.
@@jportega9404 we got there in Oct so we only worked with team 3 guys for like a month. I'm pretty sure bruiser was in western ramadi while we were at Corregidor. Team 5 rotated in and we worked with them until the beginning of March. I'll say this... Ramadi was the wild fking west between the time I got there and probably right before the SEALs left for sure but I NEVER heard of any units killing civilians on purpose (definitely not more than once). That marine XO really comes across sounding like he full of sh*t. They were in a rowdy ass sector for sure but to blame the SEALs is silly man. AQ used Ramadi as a beacon for Jihad and dudes from all over the middle east and even eastern europe showed up there to kill Americans. Those marines need to take a chill pill
Thanks. Eric Deming's and the Marines talking say that Jocko let Chris Kyle loose on Ramadi to take out civilians and it angered the locals so much that they joined the foreign fighters looking to take out as many Americans as they can. The locals took out their anger on the way more exposed Marines. Few cities in Iraq had the locals up in arms against Americans aside from Ramadi and Fallujah as I hear from guys and that nearly all the terrorists were foreigners from outside sneaking into Iraq or their story goes. I'm waiting on Deming and the Marines involved to show up at a couple more spec ops vet pods. Deming went public a few years ago on 60 minutes about the drug issue in the Seals and their brass came down hard and booted out a bunch of guys with less-than-honorables.
@@jportega9404 lo and behold a new pod with Jocko and General MacFarlane dropped yesterday. 3:34:00 exactly they talk about my battalion in Ramadi. After finishing it this morning I didn't hear anything contrary to what I already knew you should check it out.
damn! you were in Ramadi? what a crazy experience, tfys
As someone who did 8 years in 5th SFG, 3 years in SWC, and 8 years in 7th SFG, I concur.
This is the best recruiting ad for 1st group lol, I mean estrogen and vacations? I think everyone from any generation can find something to love
We welcome all types of weird shit in 1st group
@@ValhallaVFT Tempting haha
5th puts a pretty good counteroffer with their "simulating the happiest Doncaster resident" experience, I wonder if the guys from the 75th that go SF usually end up there
Well let’s see what I can add. “5th Legion” was coined by COL John Mulholland. After the SFOQC I served my first assignment as a young CPT in 10th Group. The day I checked in at Fort Devens Massachusetts (being a kid from Brooklyn NY, I was thrilled to be close to home) the Adjutant handed me orders to 1st Bn at Panzer Kaserene ,Bad Tolz Germany. My CO there was Charlie Beckwith. He mentored me and I became his buddy. When I rotated with him CONUS to Bragg, he assigned me to COL Bob “Black Gloves” Mountel & the Blue Light Team, while Charlie selected the men and stood up SFOD-Delta. We were assigned to the new 1st Special Operations Command. Then Charlie and I in 1980 were at Desert One together during “Eagle Claw”. Afterwards He brought me along to stand up JSOC and later as a MAJ he sent me to Fort Belvoir, assigned to COL Jerry King and his Army of Northern Virginia the USAISA.
Wow! You dropped some heavy names in this post, it's like a whose who SF history lesson. The next beer is on me!
The first time I heard 5th Legiopn was early 90's when the group commander was Bowra.
holy shit
I trained with 1st Group and it was the best military training in my life…lady boys or not those operators were no joke.
A good friend of mine was in 7th group and he worked with Tim Kennedy of all people. Apparently the other guys find him just as annoying as the rest of us🤣
That would be correct
Yeah, Tim doesn't have the best reputation down the Team Hall
@@WillS-x9y the only thing that I can think of is he was on John Mcphees CIF team but even then John had to whoop that ass because he was a out of line. First time the whole team whipped him, second time John gorilla stomped him because Tim was trying to intentionally injure his other CIF teammates so he could take their place on the helicopter. Shrek had to smash him🤣
@@WillS-x9y well to be fair he didn’t have any status at the time . He was brand new and wasn’t well known in mma at the time. Tim is annoying but he’s also a physical specimen that’s probably why he was picked it turned out he didn’t have the personality for it.
@@WillS-x9y19th and 20th goes through the same training and missions as the rest of the Groups. That's real SF, even if it is Natty Guard.
This is the most humble channel.
Thanks dude 🫡
The way you described 5th is pretty accurate lol generally speaking of course im sure there's plenty of people who like it but retention, substance abuse/accidental overdose and suicide were big problems when I was there. And you absolutely get some of the worst countries I went to Tajikistan and Jordan not exactly vacation spots Jordan reminded of Iraq without all the destroyed buildings and Tajikistan was similar to Afghanistan without the violence.
You must have had a bad experience in Jordan. My experience was that it absolutely a vacation spot. Not Europe by any means but it has some great spots.
I was in JBLM and had friends from BJJ in 1st Group. They were dope and lighthearted. They were running ops in the Philippines at that time. They let me in that magnificent gym with them and work out with them for the combatives tournament. I was a big dude and the MSG there was a big dude so we were constantly grappling partners. They had a mat and a rope to climb and bags. They were good dudes. My unit got jealous and put a stop to it.
I meet a third grouper who was getting out after losing his leg and he was like “*scoff* 1SFG, fucking Draft Dodging Ladyboy Loving nerds. I’d still have my leg if my deployments were to the Philippines.” 😂😂😂
7th Group guys should have the highest offspring count IMO cause I don't know how you get away with being deployed there and not just decide to massively procreate with the ladies there.
Some of the most beautiful women in the world reside there, and you, as an SF guy, have the brawn, funds, and charms to sway as many as your arms can carry.
Yep! Hot and cold running bitches! 😂
After graduation from Jump School at Ft. Benning (now Ft. Moore) in 1968 an SF recruiter came up to a small group of us and asked, "Any of you guys want to be your own boss?". I ended up serving in the 10th Group and later the 5th Group. Grew up in MACV-SOG as a OneZero out of CCC. In Ops, I always carried 600 rds ammo, ten frags, two WP, two CN grenades, two smoke, and one claymore. Plus the best weapon (when it worked) the prick 25. Life was serious, teams stayed to themselves. Practiced IA drills constantly when not on OPS. Went native with the Yards. Was on the receiving end of pretty near ever weapon the NVA had. Lucky to be alive. Still keep up my skills.
My brother has a similar story with similar time-line. He was 5th SF and was in the highlands with the "Yards" as you put it. (Montagnards) Have to wonder if you crossed paths at some point.
@@leeburkai9830 you were used, for years the sons of the rich were exempted as they were in college.
@@markdavids2511 sounding pretty gay there mark davids
Supported 7th in Kandahar 2012. Great guys. We took care of them and they took care of us. Can't say enough good things about them.
Truth! 😆 1st SFG is the best. It is the lattes and Birkenstocks group. It's also the group where your spouse can have a life. JBLM is surrounded by large cities with great jobs or universities, unlike many of the other groups. (also, the teams aren't as tight for that very reason - there's a life outside the team room)19th SFG is the Mormon group and 20th, wow... don't deploy with those guys to South America or you'll end up having to testify in court.
Baseball cap, t-shirt, board shorts and those cheap vinyl flip flops for me when I was in Asia. It's generally hot there, especially South East Asia, so maybe an iced latte but I feel like that'd be more true if you were stationed in Japan or got to visit Korea.
7th group members as some of them having a second family in Colombia, lol;..I hear the same thing for those deploying to the Philippines and finding a Filipino wife...which I hear they make good wives
I know probably like 20 dudes, if not more, with Filipino wives, so that is a fair statement lol.
They do. Ever heard of the passport bro trend, where they leave American modern women to go find traditional wives over there ?
@@1anre if plain white guys keep marrying the Latinas, in 20 years, we won't have big booty Latinas anymore. Those are strictly made with 100% latin blood. Conserve the big booty Latinas at all costs
When I was in Group, that was the stereotype I ended up hearing a lot for 7th Group. Lol. I've met several guys who were in 7th Group who said that they definitely have a kid or two in Central America. 1st Group does kind of have the reputation for being the vacation Group, but honestly only the guys who receive top marks and are considered the most elite get to go to 1st Group. At least that's how I understood it just before I went off from Active Duty.
@@MisterNi taking notes from the guys in 7th. I speak Spanish, and a prior marine. Bout to go have a whole ass separate family in colombia
Wonder if all of these groups at one point in time had the stereotype of eachother, would be fucking hilarious.
I just subscribed when you told the “whiners” to shut the fuck up. That got me!😂
Could you create a video explaining your first 6months to a year on an ODA and how it was meeting the team for the first time?
Life as a new guy huh. Ya I could do something like that.
Should have done 19th and 20th!
I rode motorcycles with a bunch of guys and there was a tiny dude, maybe 5-03 and 120#, very quiet and humble, never said much. Found out later he was 3rd bat, 75th Rangers, and was the radio operator, lugging that big radio with the rest of his ruck while the big dudes ran light.
This definitely was a fun video to watch. Thank you
In the big army you have Motor Pool Mondays. In 1st Group you have Femboy Fridays.
5th Grp must’ve changed. Pops was a 30 year SFer. He was in all you mentioned. He was one of only a handful who were in MACVSOG & Det-A, Berlin. I grew up between 60 miles south of Fayettnam and Okinawa.
My man my man, I’ve been stationed at Bragg for 10 years now the trick in dealing with Fayetteville is to stay away from Fayetteville 😂
Ya my 2 years there in the q course was plenty enough time there for me.
@@ValhallaVFT 😂😂😂
I was 4th Psyops group Airborne Ranger, we were attached to 3rd group SF in Panama, they got us to Noriega place so we could jam Van Halen to scare him out , it worked.
I was an Army Range Officer (DAC) for 22 years and spent the last 10 supporting the 7th at Eglin. You nailed all but location. Camp Bull Simons is in Crestview about 45 minutes N of Destin. Not nitpicking, but it was more Southern AL than babies beaches and beer. I tell you, it was great to work with them. Especially SFAUC and C3/7. 90% of the Group were very professional and took shit seriously on the range. Planning through recovery. Great last assignment for me. Got to work with a 1SFG team late 90s when I was working ranges in Korea. Great guys with a real sense of humor. Got to play OPFOR in some CQB. [I'm also retired 22yr 11C] CCMCK is a great way to punch holes in someone's tactical hypothesis. On both sides. 😅
Saying that: There's little that can compare with being a DAC standing between a SFG and an MRTFB. Never a dull moment.😅
Keep up the great vids man.
Started my career in 7th Group in 88 and loved every minute of it.
What about 19th & 20th Group?
That could be a separate video all by itself!
I’ve heard 5th Group veterans say the same things about 5th Group, listing them as the reasons they got out.
Oh shoot didn’t know there were so many group meme stereotypes haha. 1st group sounds like a nice assignment 😂 japan, Hawaii, even Southeast Asia sounds nice. Vacation group best group?
Though on a serious note do green berets still have the language component tied to that Cold War era mission of trying to rally locals against their government or getting them on-side? What was your language training like? And how’s it different from the students being like translators at Defense Language Institute?
Hey now...3rd Group is the shit. lol but hes right, we all make fun of each other and fight each other when we're not fighting terrorists. It pretty regular to walk into a team room and dudes are thrashin it out on the team room floor, then at 2pm, close the door and pass the drinks around.
To funny I was in 3rd group and the swinger thing is so true to laugh at now,but yeah I left 73rd rangers in 84 and and transferred to 3rd group in 84 when fucking shit was really crazy ,but it on my brother
I spent a lot of time with 1st SFG in Korea back in 88'. My BC was Lt.Col David L. Grange.
Grange picked me up out of the turtle farm with 2 other guys, we were the first group of guys trained on the new SINCGARS radios, and he wanted us in his unit.
We did DMZ like everyone else, but also, Grange had his guys from DELTA there for the 88 Olympics as a security and reaction force. I got to work with them and teach them all about the radio system and how to use it. Later , they would come over to our Infantry side and get tested for EIB's.
All of them were good guys. Not party animals, not assholes, really nice, willing to talk to you, good people.
I was in A Co 1/503rd WPNs PLT 87-89 with Col Grange. Seven of us extended on the same day to stay in his BN. I think 18 people total in our Company. Best Commander who ever walked the planet, in my opinion. Guy was hard as nails a master tactician, smart and seemed to know everyone by name. He constantly pushed us to our limit, but we loved it. Every challenge built us up and he took heat for us when 2ID came at us.
As a patrol leader, I hated the SINCGARS during the DMZ patrols. Fkin batteries fried if they got wet and you couldn't bag em. No radio = no HoW = no approaching the GPs = humping to the MSR and flaggin (which could take an hour). Glad they fixed that.
Haha. Thats funny. I’ve always said 1st and 7th group would be my choices if I could
Whats with all the Australian memorabilia? Were you attached to SASR/2commando?
I have great respect for the SF past and present. What ironically impresses me the most is the language skills and the constant training in things not directly involving combat.
Retired 18Z. ODA 522 (5th) and 026 (10th), enjoyed my time in both GP's. Team's are very insulated from each other and Group's even more so, not sure about your conclusions, but it was humorous. I came from a paratrooper background E-6 (P) 82nd Abn/509th ABCT, and you find out quickly that being on a TM is NOTHING like big Army.
*10th group sounds like the life*
As a Brazilian, I understand the 7th group guys having fun here 🥴
I miss my time in 7th Group
I bet lol
Ft Davis...ugh
I know for WA state, the guard unit is A company, 1-19th special forces. I seem to recall that they were tasked with supporting 1st group? Makes some sense since my armor unit was tasked with support in Korea if anything popped off. Once again, all changed with Iraq and Afghanistan.
LOL so true. I was stationed at Campbell and still live in the Clarksville Area. Campbells mentality is everyone deploys in 101st . Yes this means you too 5th GP. LOL. Campbell really doesn't know how to relax and sit its butt down. its either NTC, JRTC , training or deploying. the air assault and pathfinder school is full of students as well as fast rope, SPIES and FRIES training. Need a job as a retiree, range control stays busy too lol. No surprise. 160th SOAR stays busy. heck, the the whole aviation brigade is constantly flying. I also was stationed at fort Carson where 2d and 3d BN 10 SFG is located. The ODA guys seem to love CO a lot more. Colorado Springs is gorgeous, the only thing that suck would be the airborne jumps hitting the DZ harder because the air is so much denser with the high altitude. 10th group built a really nice O course almost like the nasty nick at MacKall. I also was stationed at Bragg in the 82D. this was the 90s when 3d and 7th was at bragg and socom was still at MacDill AFB. I guess when SOCOM move to Bragg . its Bragg to me not liberty, 7th GP said " OK , then we go to Florida since we all can't fit on bragg and watch 82D hog up all the DZs for airborne operations LOL. 18th ABN Corps said we built two PXs and two commissaries and a new free fall training facility, what more do you want LOL. Can you see the facial expression on Q Course students when they PCS'd to Bragg for school to tell their families to move to bragg because were stuck at 3d SFG. start looking for a home in spring lake or bragg BLVD or All American . Stay away from the merc. that part of fayetteville is the true meaning of fayettenam. LOL.
Breaking balls is the best part of life
Comment: Not in 1st group, though supported 1st group in the early 90's both professionally (set up land nav courses) and personally (was 135 lbs) so perfect size for the delta's for repelling and mock medical extracts as they were spinning up for working with indigenous forces in Asia. Question: What were the differences between the ODA's in 1st group at Lewis (JBLM) versus the Okinawa mafia (1/1)?
That probably needs a video all to itself. There is a lot of difference ranging from the culture, how we train/deploy, etc. in generality though, Oki is laid back, Lewis is more mission focused. Positives and negatives to each.
@@patwxdaddy not a thing anymore.
@@JoshuaFlashman-oc3wm and?
@@ValhallaVFT Perfect response
2:25 jajajaja i love that humor
Apparently there's no second 4th 6th 8th or 9th groups or are those guys the reserve groups?
Former Bushman 3rd Grouper. Happier to be deployed down range than to be home in Fayette-nam. Bragg and Fayetteville both suck. I'd go back if I could though.
What direction do you see, within the SO community, considering the China threat?
I’m 10 seconds in and blown away. I have only heard professional no nonsense business talk in my team rooms. Not sure what circus your running
I served in 5th for four + years and can confirm his statement
What's hand to hand combat training like as an active-duty ODA operator? How often would you guys touch on it?
Very little of it other than for physical fitness or a hobby. I carry multiple weapons for a reason.
I like this channel how did he end ip in my feed 😂
7th group sounds like a dream come true. BRAZILIAN WOMEN!...So you get guns, gear and free trips to SOUTH AMERICA!?
Are all groups assigned initially? And are you allowed to ever request a group? Currently training for 18X
The group you’re assigned is based off your language, so if you get Chinese, 1st, Spanish? 7th group. Etc. best way to get the group you want is a request a language that will send you there.
@@ValhallaVFT fuck, I speak Spanish. But I went marines, got blown up, now I'm out. I was looking at army sf tho prior to enlisting. But too late now. Oh well. Now I got plenty of money to spare, time to spare, and rehabbing my body. Gonna go live it up when I'm back to normal
Damn, 3rd group guys making a lot sense now.
I served with 10th, then 3rd, then 7th group. I concur with all these stereotypes.
which group was RAMBO BASED ON
Probably 5th given the timeframe it takes place in.
@@ValhallaVFT wouldn't surprise me
What about 20th SFG they kinda party themselves around like mini delta
I see Australian patches behind you (Australian here) please explain?!?!?!?
And love the Aussie singlet
Stereotypes exist for a reason.
Stereotypes are based on the majority of a particular grouping (encountered).
50.1% is a majority.
Served w/ 1SFG, 5SFG, and 10SFG, including down-range (2001-2006). In a good way, I found more similarities - than differences - among them in terms of professionalism. Command climate might vary a bit, based on the personalities of the individual Group, Bn and Co commanders. Notwithstanding constant rotations down range, morale always seemed high in SF. Although now retired, if called upon, I would gladly go back and serve in the Grps.
first in asia, first to amaze ya (1st). Margaritas and Senorita's (7th). Bellies and beers (19th). Division group (3rd). Kapmpfgruppe zehn (10th).
Damn he’s not lying abt 3rd group😂
Fifth group gave me my best friend Casey, and him are stillfriends to this very day
Just wondering have you served with any RRC guys? How are they as a unit?
I helped build 7th group's complex out there at eglin
"The more things change, the more they stay the same". I believe you meant to say "Fatalburg".
Any info about ctac guys?
Im an 11b out of Campbell, but go out a lot to ranges, I shoot PRS and also just in general. Additionally, I had some training as partner forces with 5th. One thing I'll say : despite hearing that 5th group is "I hate my life, no fun allowed, etc" from a couple diff sources now, all the dudes from there have been great to me. Ive run into them around the area and they're always willing to talk, exchange numbers, spend hours their time offering advice and expertise, even spent a holiday with one of them. I've never met a group of individuals willing to go so far out of their way to bring another random joe up. Also, none of them have ever shit on reg army or scouts taking their course. I will admit, I can see how they got the rep. They aren't like super loose and jokey, but they arent assholes at all (not that you said that either). Im glad I ended up at Campbell and have 5th and 160th (and other arsof) around, creates a super motivating atmosphere.
You forget 19th and 20th groups
used to be when i was in 5th and 7th grou;p were at FT Bragg i was in 5th Group
How much mobility is there between groups over a career? And also, who had more combat time: 3rd or 5th, during the GWOT?
I talk about this type of stuff in detail in my video about if you can choose your own group/mos/language. The short answer is not really, the long answer is it’s possible based of circumstance. And honestly all the groups spent a ton of time in combat, 3rd and 5th maybe a little more than the others.
@@ValhallaVFTThanks. I’ll check it out.
10th Group had a unique base in Germany. Flint Kaserne was mostly one big building like a castle. Too bad they don't have it anymore.
No more Bad Tolz?
I made a wishlist post Airborne school in preffered order: 10th, 7th, 5th, 3rd, and lastly 1st. The good news is I got one on my list, the bad news it was my last choice 😂
Any group is better than no group. Also I know a lot of guys who thought that who end up in 1st and end up living it.
I see the Army still pulls one over on you if you make a list in preferred order. Should've listed 1st Group first then made it really seem like you wanted to go to Asia. 😄 When I was in the Army, everyone made it sound like going to 7th Group was like winning the lottery. Maybe that's true if you went to South America but I was often sent to Central America where it was hot, humid, insects everywhere and prostitutes at every corner. Not to mention the gangs and if you did dumb things there maybe even get caught up with a Cartel or two. Lol.
I spent the majority of my career in 1BDE at campbell and 5th group was always doing some kind of cross training with us (mostly training us on shit 😂) but some of the best dudes ive ever worked with, weird as shit some of them but good dudes
No 19th and 20th?
Fuckin love the Darwin shirt bro Cu in the NT!
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What about 20th Group??
It would've been nice to know which SF grou0 you were talking about
yep spent a year in Turkey
Is there any possibility to have a language outside of your groups AO?
I.E You speak Mandarin Chinese but gets assigned to 3rd/5th?
No. The only language that could get you a variety of groups was Arabic, doubt that’s the case now with GWOT ending.
Being staioned at Ft Campbell as a regular Army guy 5th group guys seemed pretty laid back to me. Maybe that was just an outsider looking in. Then again every SF group seems chill compared to the big conventional army
Compared to the conventional army of course, compared to 1st group in oki where we wear flip flops and tank tops to work? Not really.
I went to C Company 2nd Bn 10th SFG at Devens in Jan 86, had a great time but didn't like the SR mission if the cold war went hot so reupped for 1/1 SFG and it was a bit of a culture shock at how different 1/1 was from 10th. Lot of shit happened my first six months on Oki, battalion SGM was arrested in Thailand by US Marshals, a friend detonated a toe popper in the team room and died a few days later, 60 minutes did a episode about 1/1 SFG allegedly gun running and drug smuggling Then to SWC and back to 1/1 for another 6 years before going to SWC and then ASOC. Lot of truth to the swingers, had heard about that being a thing at Toltz and guess it was problamatic in Oki because my in brief with the BC he had told me infidelity in any way was not tolerated. Glad I went into SF before it became a branch and grew so rapidly and no way could I have done 29 years in big Army.
You should have shown the patches of each group. 😔
Where is the keg drinking group?
Pretty much all of them
5th group is the best. No bias here.
Talk about Recon Marines
Love the vids man, quick question would you recommend a younger guy to go ranger instead of sf considering that sf seems to have a more mature crowd? Both seem like solid options but there seems to be a age gap between the 2
Depends on how young. But typically yes, the success rate for graduating the q course at 22 years and under is extremely low.
What’s “swick” ? @ 3:40
SWCS. Special Warfare Center and School. It’s where our qualification course is.
10th Gp was known as the Mormon group?
When I was in 10th, they were known as the Great White North.
5th Group here, (70s). You left out Africa. Lots of Africa time.
3rd group does Africa now.
I heard a lot of former Rangers go to 7th group for some reason
Damn…group one is so lucky
As a transgirl thats been with more than a few millitary guys let me say it isnt just first group thats into that 🤣
Soi cowboy memorabilia abounds 😅
Ah yes.. good times.
I could tell you were in 1st group in about .5 seconds
That’s probably not a compliment but I’m going to take it as one regardless.
Epic tank!
Please rank conventional forces