and the only SEAL movie/book deal we haven't seen yet is one about how SEALS get movie/book deals while the rest of the silent professionals remain quiet.
@@Lexus7912 those that go into ARSOF Programs do so because they know they would not make it through BUD/S; those same people are the ones making hater videos because it haunts them that they never had what it took.
@@Lexus7912 Truth. Those who pursuit ARSOF Careers do so because they could not make it through BUD/S, it haunts them to know they don’t have what it takes.
@@Lexus7912 You do understand that they al have different roles and missions, right? It's not like each branch has a football team or there are different leagues. Each type of unit serves a different role and is trained for that role.
I’m a Navy wife. Got a job in a country I wont mention. Dated a tall lanky man for bit from one of the NSW communities. One of the local bars in this country was owned by a wife from the Navy, so the bar was kinda designed and had art work for Navy divers, Seals, Rescue swimmers and Eod on the walls and tables. I dated a rescue swimmer. One of the navy sailors skipped him when he went to take a leak. My guy, the rescue swimmer, who I was dating at time. Super nice, innocent and tall, ended up being bullied by some ghetto regular ship sailors, Like 6 on 1. it was a 6-8 of them against just my man. Eventually the entire bar of seals, eod, rescue swimmers and divers man handle this Navy Sailor who does not know how to swim. They all decide to continually choke him out, while carrying him to the near by beach. While fighting off his friends. And the guy I was seeing at time, the 6’4 lanky rescue swimmer, swam him out. As far as he could as the seals, other rescue swimmers and eod stood by at the beach. Few divers too. This younger black sailor changed his mind and forgave him after a few head dunks that we could hear and see. And there was kinda a code. Like they’ve done this before. Never mess with a swimmer, they will swim you out while you’re unconscious. The rescue swimmer ended up cheating on me. And I ended up marrying one of the seals. But that bar, the men, and the brotherhood and fun they had together was a sight to behold. The fact the guy I dated didn’t swimmer him so far out because he knew. The fact my date at the time brought him back, shook hands and bought this black sailor beers and shots afterwards. Its a code among these strong Navy men that I do respect. And I know they they wouldn’t have harmed him for sure, but its the fact a harmless man, carrying out a ghetto acting man into deep water and still respecting him that was something I really respected. Never mess with Navy Special warfare people I say.
Had a good family friend who was on one of the early A teams in Vietnam, early 1960’s. When he got out, he was at Ft. Devans MA, he then retired to St. Petersburg and worked at the VA , very humble man, a great man. Never sought recognition or even spoke about what he did. Maybe the greater lesson is the service to a cause bigger than yourself/ ourselves. He was a great man.
I have met two Vietnam veterans who were U.S. Army Special Forces. One of which worked Mac V Sog Recon Teams. He never said it. I had to piece it together with information i got from him, and reading books about Mac V Sog. Another person if have met, who is a good friend of my dad. Worked on the Phoenix Program. Simply because he still had written orders from when he was in Vietnam. None of these men are out spoken. These men did their jobs in the shadows, never really talked about it till at least 20+ years later. I even had the privilege of meet the last living Iwo Jima Flag Raiser. R.I.P. Mr Charles W. Lindberg. Who i got a signed and autographed photo from. None of these men were very outspoken from what i saw.
Because they had a job to do. They did what was asked them and didn’t feel the need to pat themselves on the back for it. It’s what sets men apart from the boys.
Good analogy. Their tactical, personal, and professional arrogance directly affect their planning (or lack thereof). Those 3 failure are directly related to leaderships incompetence OR willful dereliction of duty.
@@JBCCT01 Both Operation Red Wings and Bravo Two Zero had helicopters drop troops very close to objective too, alerting the local population - who by the way was not conventional military in both cases.
@@cyberdaemon In addition, the intelligence for both missions was incredibly small, terrain for both missions was an early concern, and communications capabilities were minimal to borderline insane.
I'm sure Brent Tucker (Former SF and CAG) has questioned Tim Kennedy's story about him saying how many people he evacuated from Afghanistan during the withdrawl being an exaggeration.
@@Krakatawa84 you are the one who needs to get facts straight. Brent Tucker was a former Delta/ CAG and guests a lot of podcast. Check also his FRCC homepage if you do not believe us.
@@Krakatawa84he's a former DELTA/CAG....take some research before you even say "get your facts straight". Check FRCC home page, it shows his biography.
Hey @@ValhallaVFT I just have a question out of curiosity I like both communities Army Rangers and Green berets but the question is do they receive identical skills in terms of Direct action combat like CQB type stuff????
If someone starts off in the army or marine corps by the time they are ready to apply for a special operations units there is a very good chance they would have combat experience maybe numerous tours specially during the GWOT and they may have already performed a special operations role for instance in recce platoons in their parent unit but a navy SEAL could go from being a sailor doing a FOD walk-down on a carrier to being on the ground in Afghan performing a special operations role in very challenging conditions in a relatively short time having never been shot at before. I don’t know any other way to say this other than - It gets real very quickly in Afghan. I don’t want to seem like I’m lessening the contributions made by sailors on ships but very different job and surroundings. So my point is sometimes in rare occasions there can be inexperienced seals in the wrong place at the wrong time and that’s when things go wrong. I was in the British Army , I served in Afghan during Veritas/Fingal in 2001/2002 and Herrick 8 in 2008 so I’m basing my opinion on this subject based upon interactions and conversations I had with US forces both there and in Iraq. If I’ve got any of this wrong or I have made a mistake please tell me and I will adjust my comment and apologise.
Yes there is inexperience for a reason, the SEALs were never meant to be marines. SEALs at there core, are a frogman demolition unit that has transformed into a Commando Force. They have a lot more in common with Clearance Divers here in the UK than they do with units like the SBS, and their training is reflective of that. Also only a small minority of SEAL applicants are experienced sailors, soldiers, marines, or airmen. Most applicants are civilians that have passed basic training with no years of service under their belt. It's very unlike the UKSF, where you at least need a minimum of two years of service to even apply.
@@ExtraRice365 Green Beret Chronicles has a new podcast in which Eric Deming and two Marines address Jocko's most recent podcasts. One is the Marine who wrote that letter regarding Leif Babin, the other worked alongside Task Unit Bruiser in Ramadi. That's who he's talking about.
The Jocko/Deming thing is a very dumb debacle. It is very 'she said'. There are plenty of people who do not like jocko and will latch on to anything and support it with little to no evidence. Jocko still needs to more adequately explain Kyle, in my opinion. But the whole thing actually goes like this: Deming has long spoken out about seal culture being bad, wants to correct it. Shows up on a podcast making claims. Jocko responds, twice. Deming brings along 2 Marines. Meanwhile, another marine (who served under one that was on GB) tells his side, which is vastly different. In general - Deming appears to be very reaching. Here are the videos in question: GB Chronicles From One Shot to 36 Marine KIA: The Full Story Behind Task Unit Bruiser Catastrophe | Eric Deming 4/6/2024 ruclips.net/video/28Pks9i-CKk/видео.htmlsi=9kc_XRBirNhtPiO0 GB Chronicles SEALs Speak Out: What We Really Think About Jocko Willink with Retired SEAL Eric 4/6/2024 ruclips.net/video/lbR4GwXfMxg/видео.htmlsi=FMwyassJDUMHepXR JockoPodcast Jocko Podcast 434: War Crimes, Murder, and Leadership. 4/16/2024 ruclips.net/video/zqVSXsoou-4/видео.htmlsi=nvZVCUim52FWC7o7 JockoPodcast Jocko Podcast 434.5: FACTS AND CLARIFICATIONS. War Crimes, Murder, and Leadership 4/23/2024 ruclips.net/video/A2lEXRsBtFo/видео.htmlsi=iT_O5qUTZvoQ3uAg Daniel Blackwell My recollection of events in Ramadi in 2006. 4/26/2024 ruclips.net/video/fGg0RsdMwWg/видео.htmlsi=YSm-hHBIPQ-Liq9a GB Chronicles Duty and Dishonor: The Marine's Revelation of Task Unit Bruiser 5/4/2024 ruclips.net/video/5A3fCoMTqmc/видео.htmlsi=PS2_JB14F4uFzLDX
This has been going around since I was in 30 years ago. They have terrible leadership issues and a lot of people saw this coming years ago. There are stories of SF and Recon Bubbas in Vietnam that didn't want to work with them either. It perplexes me why they even exist. I know that there may be a lot of good guys in that organization, but if the top doesn't get its act together, then the rest of the teams won't either. The simple fact is EVERY SOF unit has had infractions, they just do a better job at keeping it quiet.
As a Civilian that grew up reading and looking up to Navy SEALs, (I watched American Sniper) have yet to see Lone Survivor, I know all the big heavy hitter guys in the hollywood movies, this is heartbreaking to hear that there is so much drama going on inside the program and community. I’ve obviously never been in it myself, but I keep myself up to date on its current status and info while I’m out and about in my normal, pretty peaceful life, and it just makes me so upset that my favorite Special Operations Unit in the Military, are making a complete fool out of themselves. It really opened my eyes to some of the ignorance and immaturity that goes behind closed doors and makes me wonder where they went wrong. I wanna find a retired Green Beret or Off-duty Delta guy in my area to try and inquire more about why the SEALs are acting in the way they are since I just love the topic of Special Operations, Elite Units, as a normal everyday Civilian. God bless your channel man, I’m a new subscriber. Hooyah 🙏🏼🌊
I don't know anything about it, but as far as the whole Chris Kyle/Jesse Ventura thing, I found it impossible not to sympathize with Ventura. I used to listen to him a bit and he never tried to capitalize on his Vietnam history, he always kept quiet about it, even though he's a guy who makes his living as a public figure. It's also hard to win a defamation case unless the person really did lie.
As a retirement member of the Army's " special mission UNIT" I can tell you we had more discipline problems with them than anyone else. At one point the guys at Little Creek were virtually shooting each other weekly in training. That's way back when but another of us were " uncomfortable " when working with them. I hate to say this but it was true back then...
The Navy SEALs attacking each other started with the book Good To Go. Good To Go was written by a Vietnam veteran Navy SEAL. He made up a bunch of lies about other Navy SEALs making them into cowards on the Vietnam battlefield. They sued him and got the money he made on the book. You can look it up because their were news articles about it on the internet.
I flew quite a few medivac chase missions, as an assault pilot, in Afghanistan, in addition to assault missions. When the seals were in our AO, it made for a busy day for the med. We supported the SAS and GBs too, from an assault aspect and medivac standpoint. Those guys were surgical. The seals were the opposite of surgical, lol. Just one mans opinion. Not saying they were bad... just very aggreasive took a much wider battle field presence, which increased their secondary engagements. They were great fighters and they are obviously trained that way, but it was fascinating to see how the different communities worked. Especially as a young regular army guy, who randomly got thrown in a unit that picked up the 160th overflow work, direct support to the AUS SAS and med chase, in a very active AO, during the surge. So take my viewpoint with a grain of salt. I just obsevred certain patterns over that 12 months.
SEALs talk way too much. You don’t see SF, or even common grunts being as loud as the SEALs. Thumping their chests, calling each other out publicly with drama, it’s just crazy…
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz How am I full of it? SEALs have been airing out dirty laundry, calling each other out publicly, running their mouths, expelling other SEALs from “the community”, so on and so forth. Too much drama for guys who should be doing their jobs and shutting up about it. I’m not saying all of them are that way, the bulk are not. However, it’s pretty clear there’s some ego issues that are making it to the public eye, which is unhealthy for the perception of the group as a whole. You must be some civilian that has a hard on for the SEALs.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz You must be a civilian with a stiffy for the SEALs, because you’re missing out on all the egotistical inner battles they’ve made public. It’s a bad look.
All there is to say about Gallagher is other operators on his team thought he was crazy and bloodthirsty, even by their standards; The most reasonable interpretation of that is, he was going beyond the pale of accepted norms and mission parameters into unsanctioned butchery, even by the standards of men who are paid trained professional killers, who are given the greenlight to kill as they perceive needed on the mission. That says everything.
I'm not a huge fan of the SEALs in general, but the other team members testimony fell apart during cross examination at Gallagher's court martial. IIRC the only thing he was convicted of was taking a picture with a dead Iraqi. Also in the same picture were all the other SEALs who had been given immunity.
@@l4c390either way he must have been incredibly f*ked up to get his own squad risking jail time and their own status as spec ops, to go to court against him.
@@gavins9846 They didn't risk anything, as they testified under a grant of full immunity. Everyone on that team was guilty of being involved in that prisoners death.
@@l4c390 How guilty? There's standing there in shock because your chief just stuck his own knife into a captives neck out of the blue, versus actually stabbing a captive. A book written by David Philipps covers this, including why his fellow seals were so on the fence about keeping any evidence.
@@l4c390 That's only three of all the seals that testified. And thats because its Seal culture to put loyalty before integrity. One of them (the medic Scott) wanted to use that to protect not himself but Gallagher, because he was still their seal. The fact that they even got their case past their officer and Lt commander, who were both tight with Eddie and had every reason and means to shut it down if it was bull, into the public sphere and a courtroom, is pretty damning. Both superiors knew they would've been charged for ignoring their legal duties to report a warcrime when it first happened, if the case went forward, and they were only saved through Trump's intervention later on in 2019.
it seems like people are kinda sick of many things that had their popular run this past decade. seals as a brand, marvel movies, people want something new now.
A guy at my gym was a Navy Seal. Hes proved it with his dd-214. We were all just joking on him one day about heing Hollywood etc... and it made him cry. He literally cried because we made fun of him and told him being a SEAL doesnt make him tough.
Hi, as a guy from a country with no army , it's difficult for me to understand some of the topics you talk about and some aspects of the American culture towards military, but I think your channel is very informative, and I like the way you talk, you talk respectfully . Take care bro / Cuídese compa.
Sir filipino here, you said you had worked with the PNP SAF, do they know how to do weapons manipulations, fast entries? Modified highs and modified low readies?
@@ValhallaVFT cool, if you don’t mind me askin’ sir, when was the last time you got to train them? I’m an aspirant of that unit, and surely I’ll boost up that unit’s skill in the future👍🏼👍🏼
Most people I watch talk about the tiers and how elite units are based on funding, training and missions. From what they say seals/ devgru have more funding training and better missions than marsoc, SF and rangers. Devgru is maybe equal to or just under CAG in those 3 requirements. Are those points wrong?
Tiers are pretty much based on how the funding works, for whatever reason people assume because they’re labeled as “tier” that it assumes a rating or skill level, which it does not.
@@ValhallaVFTThey believe that because it’s sort of true. Yes, the the difference between say tier 1 and everyone else pertains to funding, but there is still a more demanding selection process SMs need to go through in order to get to that tier.
@@andrewwhite8586 Difference between tier 1 & 2 is that tier1 focus more on dynamic CQB, hostage rescue and psyops. Everything else(interms of skills/tactics) is the same.
How about being proud of your service? No matter what you did? I went to Afghanistan for 1 short deployment in 2002-2003, just a small cog in big wheel, did my duty.
@@Cooperdbhd Correct. That is why infantry centric Army and USMC have zero need for SOF. If infantry can’t do it then there are already SEa Air and Land Commandos who have completed the toughest military training in the world that do the work that doesn’t require a lot of men in the field; and they are qualified to DIVE, MFF, and utilize DEMO. ARSOF is completely unnecessary.
Two seals out of uniform robbing a civilian of a seal patch or insignia at the Philadelphia International airport, as shown on social media-just plain illegal.
I’ve done 3 podcasts, The Team House, Green Beret Chronicles and The Former action guys podcasts. Lots of people ask me if I would go on Shawn’s podcast but I’m yet to receive an invitation lol.
@@ValhallaVFT no shit I just looked up the one from the former action guys podcast and I remember watching that interview but I didn’t recognize you from then compared to now lol
@@ValhallaVFTI think that would be a really interesting conversation to have with him. Honestly i think hed probably be receptive to your POV on this subject I feel like SR does a good job representing their community
I like the channel man. It’s wild how US public perception/propaganda has overblown aspects of SOF, and and at the same time other aspects/units are completely understated. One in particularly is RRC, one of the only (maybe THE only) Tier one unit that is still very much quiet about what they do and what they’ve done, until very recently with Mike Edwards, possibly to a fault
I was in the Navy 1982 to 1988 based at North Island Naval Air station right down the road from the seal training camp and every morning I would drive the strand to the base and you could see the seals in the Pacific Ocean on their backs while the wave crashed over them or a larger group with a log over their heads running down the beach and back then they were a great group of men that got the job done. I was with VS-41 and VS-33 AZ2 two west pacs.
To be fair there’s quite a few green berets and others that have called Tim Kennedy out, or Tu lam, or Mike Glover, or even Tony Cowden... the seals aren’t the only ones calling out their own.
@@matthiasthulman4058 he’s said he was in cag, makes it sound like as a assaulter when the reality is he was either support or attached to them. He shot himself in the foot, not figuratively by misrepresenting his service but literally ND’d in to his own foot and tried to cover it up. There’s been some accusations of stealing issued gear which is kind of whatever but also stealing designs for his gear and refusing to acknowledge any of it.
Army Infantry here, 8 yrs, 2 combat tours. Never got the hype. I'm a WarFighter, they're mission guys. 6 month deployments, Gucci gear, rides to the objectives. All that and STILL FUCK UP THE MISSION.
I mean shit, I was asking for Option 40 when I went into the recruiter’s office after playing MW2 lol. Ultimately ended up signing an 18X contract after doing more research into the mission sets.
I once was highly motivated to become a Navy SEAL. I fell in love with Spec Ops. I am now pursuing Army SOF. The reason is that Navy SEALs are too glamorized for me. They have a reputation for boasting and bragging, but other SOF regiments have the same capabilities. Great points.
@JohnDoe-rt2bz plus it's overmanned. I was in the navy and I was an undesignated seaman before I picked up for OS. Learn from my mistakes and don't join the navy. Go in the army or air force.
I've listened to Eddie Gallagher tell his story on 2 different podcasts, and I've listened to others give their view of events. I believe Eddie. It's refreshing that you didn't crap on him, and I respect how you covered it. "Our government sends us to war with strategic goals to accomplish using whatever means necessary. If you don't feel comfortable with how we do our mission, don't send us to war." Hopefully I got that close enough.
Dude you are the first one that I have listened to that spoke DIRECTLY about what has happened on some of these missions and how they are characterized...and you are spot on. I was a 71Lima...an S1 desk jockey at an Ord Group. Some of the older guys that were now out of the field often spoke about the difference between hindsight and being there and not the same. We don't know.
You’re extremely bias and to say SEALs are all Hollywood is BS. Green Berets are the OG Hollywood SPECOPS guys, can I interest you in the Arnold’s movies and the Rambo series? I’m not going to address your other allegations because I don’t know and I can only speak on my interactions with team guys vice SF. I agree with something you did say and in the senior enlisted ranks we try to practice which is What’s said the Mess stays in the Mess. The more people who don’t practice it the more people will think it’s ok to air out dirty laundry and/or bash each other.
Are there currently dozens of Green Berets trashing each other in the public domain, calling each other war criminals, suing each other, claiming their war stories are made up, claiming they are criminals? Because there are with the SEALs. I don’t think I’m biased, I think you just don’t like objective reality.
@@ValhallaVFT you showed you’re bias by saying they want to be all Hollywood when that could have been left out. Also if you want to trash a community trash your own because you all have skeletons too. You’re showing how your bias by not airing your dirty laundry but you want to speak about someone else’s, that’s what I’m talking about.
@@Kretikos hmm, interesting. The video I just put out you might want to go look at then if you think that. Considering the court just threw out the entire case and dropped all charges.
Tony E. DeDolph was a SEAL who helped haze and ultimately murder Staff Sgt. Logan Melgar, an Army Special Forces soldier. However, let's not forget Marine Gunnery Sgt. Mario Madera-Rodriguez helped in the hazing - a Marine Raider. In Vietnam, it was Army soldiers who mass-murdered unarmed civilians during the My Lai Massacre. In Iraq, it was US Marines who murdered unarmed Iraqi civilians in the Haditha Massacre. Are SEALs generally "worse" than other US warfighters? No. They have just had more popularity recently, and for the general population to learn that they aren't necessarily saints is shocking to some. They will go out of the limelight, and some other group will take their place. In Vietnam it was the Special Forces. Recently, it was the SEALs. It will most likely be the Marine Raiders next. Then, they will be vilified or fall from the limelight as well. The cycle repeats itself. History repeats itself. The next war will repeat itself.
@@ValhallaVFT the us army hides like cowards when they kill their own down range and lie about it to try and save face, or when ARSOF redeploy back to Bragg and smoke their supposed best “friend” or dump a mag into their old ladies face. Your trash talk aside, put down your Meth Pipe and take a long hard look on just how absolutely pathetic and weak you are presenting yourself. Or not, either way you are past the point of redemption.
I remember growing up, thinking that Delta force was not a real unit or that it was, but it was no more that the green berets did not exist as they did in Vietnam the army recruiting was gear towards college, “Be all you can be “kind of hokey advertising. I remember one ad where the guy is walking with a girl and she says that she was airborne and I thought to myself oh well that must be a joke then basically I wish I knew a little more about the green berets, I might have given it a shot, not that I would’ve made it, but I certainly would’ve contemplated it.
One of the seals involved with the incident supposedly tried to get with his wife after allegedly killing her husband . There’s actually a podcast that went over some crazy details that is honestly unbelievable.
I love the use of the old SOG emblem with your ODA. I was unaware how teams still use variations of the emblem until I went to the small SF museum on Bragg. If you have any book recommendations by SF dudes I’m all ears. I know the Jack Murphy debacle is highly controversial, as well as his book. I liked the interview you did with his podcast! Curious as to why Jack wasn’t on the interview though 😂 What’s the thing on the center of your plaque board behind you?
My Dad was in the 101st Airborne during WW2. I never heard him talk about the war. Seems like some people need to keep their mouth shut. Great video by the way
4:22 that's a really bad take my guy. There's a difference between war and war crimes. If your video is about accountability well then you have already lost credibility with that statement alone.
@@ValhallaVFTthe man is correct I did serve and I grew up in a war zone. When you kill civilians you create terrorists. The green berets function was to train indig so the fact that you aren't conscious of this is baffling to me.
@@ValhallaVFT Lol okay Mr. "Accountability." I didn't realize that I had to go fight in a war to be qualified to speak common sense. Protip: Work on your spelling and spend some time with a book without pictures.
From what I understand, there isn't much of a requirement to get into the Seal's course (passing it is another thing). SF and Delta is very hard just to be accepted to try out and you have to have made E5 first. Delta is crazy hard to get into.
Speaking from experience, the Covid deal was a huge deterrent. Guys were getting the ok to continue training without a vax and once they completed Sage, they were told that they would need to get the vax or be dropped from the course. The “just gotta follow orders” mentality isn’t something guys were expecting from such a highly respectable community which desires critical thinking. Especially in the context of an experiment which sent young dudes to their graves from myocarditis and other heart/blood related issues.
Perhaps th issue is part of the selection criteria that Seals use. Their psychological assessment throughout their career should be able to identify the problem children...
when I was a senior in high school (2006), I tried to enlist in the navy but was told I was ineligible (medical issue). I wanted to be a SEAL sooooo bad. Looks like it was a blessing in disguise. In my very ignorant opinion, I think when Spec Ops guys brag about how nigh-impossible the training is to become Spec Ops, it turns most people off from even trying. What's the point of wasting your time in attempting something that seems to have a 99.999999999% failure rate? A better use of time and energy would be to go into something that can teach me skills that will translate better into a civilian career later.
"The better part of valor is discretion" -Shakespeare, Henry IV Retired Navy Chief here, You're right and thanks for saying it. Chris Kyle is a perfect example of SEAL arrogance overriding basic common sense. You don't go to the public selling yourself as the SEAL with the highest kill shot like you're bragging about shooting duck on a hunting trip and not expect shit to catch up to you.
In my opinion I I think it has to do with the leadership and cover-ups. (You can Google whatever cover up you want to), My opinion as to why the the retention rate is down.
At 63 and a former Submariner of the Silent Service, I noticed in my youth as a late Boomer that the quality of the character of Americans has been declining since the politicians of Vietnam. Most of our Founders were not uber pius Christians like the Great Awakening preachers of the 1700s but they had reverence for Christian virtures. Self sacrifice, honesty, service, fidelity, kindness, forgiveness etc. Many of those virtues were included in our military ethos mottos. De Oppresso Liber etc. Since 1963 reverence for God was banned in public schools and its at an all time low. We were never a Christian Nation like ancient Israel was originally a Single Religion but we were a nation of motly Chistians and others with two alegences. One to our God and the other to our Constitution. Totally separate and the first in history. We are now a nation of selfish undisciplined brats and that makes selection for the best of the best much harder. Lowering standards of character personal discipline and moral fortitude in every area of American life including many Churches. We are at the precipice of self destruction today.
I had a horrible experience with the SEAL's in IRAQ. They had no idea how to communicate or use combined arms. Can't tell you how many times they needed to be bailed out of bad situations they had no business being in. They belong in the water, no question they are the best in that battle space.
We had the seals do a mission with us in Afghanistan in 2012 with the commandos. We had that mission in '08 and I couldn't believe how they operated. I was actually stunned. We had them infil prior to us with the CDOs to start clearing and told them explicitly to round up all the MAMs and bring them along for the ride. We were pulling dudes out of mud huts that were already "cleared". I won't even get into their actions once we got to the LOA. Never been impressed with their land skills. Can't touch them in the water though. I will give them that.
@@ValhallaVFT good old VSO days. We requested the CDOs for a clearing op near our VSO site which was still in a kinetic area. We knew where they would come from so we wanted the seals to come in with the CDOs and clear/disrupt.
I remember hearing my instructor absolutely trash the seals and saying how the ones he worked with were egotistical and overrated. I was like wtf, now I kinda get it
A lighthearted topic I would love to see (possibly a series) would be your doing react style videos to zombie apocolypse/horror movies and giving your take on how you would handle it differently due to your years of training and first hand experience. Green berets have aruguably the most uniqe skill set in all of special operations and its great to see them go back to getting their due credit.
Haha oh man my wife would hate you. I ruin every movie we watch by doing exactly that. That’s an interesting idea. I’m not tech savvy enough to even know how to do that over another video yet though lol.
@@ValhallaVFT Ha ha ha I dont know if there is a way for us to talk offline with good opsec but I used to do video editing back in the day. Happy to help you through it
Hey man! Been loving all your videos!!! Can you do one on an SF K9 Handler? Would absolutely love your perspective on that. I heard those guys are always working, and have like a mini-selection to be able to do that. Sounds legit
Thanks bro. We always had dogs on the team for combat operations, but I honestly don’t know much about the backside of it. What the course or training entails and what not. I’m not the best person for that information.
I'm just a nothing special Marine... But honestly, I really hate seeing the in-flighting between the Special Operations crowd. I have no doubt that most of the heat comes from the SEALS stepping out of the shadows and doing movies and books, I don't necessarily see anything wrong with it... But I understand how it opens them up to massive scrutiny from other SF groups that feel Tier operators should stay clandestine. My thoughts, could be way off, but I think it's a little bit jealous/envious that SEALS are doing it, and also that SEALS might be betraying the unspoken rule of the clandestine - living in the shadow life. If it helps the SF community with public opinion and quality recruiting, I say good shit and keep it up. If it's hurting public opinion and making recruitment harder, it needs to stop.
My papa was a SEAL and served with ST1 during Vietnam. Ever since I can remember, I wanted to be a SEAL like him, but as I got older and learned more about the teams and what's going on, I don't really know if I want to follow in his footsteps. Most of the people I talk to, including my uncle, who was in the 75th, say's I should go Army SOF or ASPECWAR. I still don't know what I want to do.
Go to 24th STS. Amazing group plus you get to be in the Air Force and a bad ass mission performance unit at the same time. Gravy train on biscuit wheels. Army SOF is a good second place if that is your calling.
Seems like a lot of special operators are on social media making names for themselves these days. I see a lot of SOF guys on here as well. But I will agree that the SEALS need to keep their shit in house. It seemed to really take off after Neptune Spear. I went to language school with a few SEALS and a couple Green Berets. Granted this was in the late 1980s, but the SEALS were a lot less humble than the Green Berets. Being former Navy with a few friends to this day who were SEALs it is tough to say. but there really does seem to be a culture problem within the community.
Ha! That’s only one wall of it man. It spans onto the one next one too. I’m thinking about doing a video where I go through all of it and explain what it all is.
JFK fell in love with the green berets in late 1960 when he went to fort Bragg no one really knew about them ..JFK wanted a navy spec ops an Air Force commandos
It seems to me that if you want to be a commando, the seals is the last place you would go, because the 1st thing you think about the NAVY is big ships AKA battle ships, destoyers submarines & of course air craft carriers.
Question: How do different SF teams differ culturally? Like I'd assume different ODAs are relatively similar within their theatre but I wonder how different they may be between things like different theatres If they separate them by teams and stuff too (dive, mountain etc.), I wonder if there are also differences in culture between those
Really varies team by team. Was on 3 different ODAs throughout my career, two had very similar cultures, one was quite a bit different. Not all teams are created equal, some are really good, some not so much.
Reading the comments, i see alot of SEALSUCKERS in the comments. Alot of you need the book "Alone at Dawn" in your life, along with the video footage. People forget about the absolute garbage leadership from "Mako" back channel calls that also got anoth CH 47 downed and a bunch of Rangers killed, and it should be talked about more.
I haven’t done anything or gone to combat like you guys, so forgive me, and go ahead and tell me off if that’s the right thing to do, but I’m just gonna give my honest take on the TF bruiser/Chris Kyle thing and ask a few legitimate questions I have. Ultimately I still support what the GWOT was fundamentally about, stamping out ITs. These are legitimate bad people that still exist and cause a lot of harm. So building on that, should TF bruiser really be placed under such scrutiny for maybe sometimes getting some people that were halfway ITs or sympathetic to their IT cousins that tried to enable them? One of the big things I hear from GWOT guys is how the ROEs neutered them so much, should TF bruiser really be blamed for trying to skirt aside those ROEs and for having a more “crusader” mindset?
Like I said in the video, it’s not my or anyone else’s place to judge what guys do in combat. I know what war is like and entails, and it’s ugly, I did it for a long time. My point is keep your mouths shut about it if you don’t want the criticism that comes with it.
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Time for a little humor. Q: How many SEALS does it take to change a lightbulb? A: Two. One to change the lightbulb and one to write a book about it.
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Love it!
Well I mean there's ghostwriter
Did you ever serve in any capacity in a combat arms profession?
@@NYRalltheway14 I did not. However, I am a retired Special Agent who has gone through more than his fair share of doors.
No SEAL was available to make a comment on this video. Theyre too busy writing books about themselves being a SEAL
and the only SEAL movie/book deal we haven't seen yet is one about how SEALS get movie/book deals while the rest of the silent professionals remain quiet.
By posting nonsense on RUclips they “remain quiet?” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
There's a reason for that, seals are the 1% of the 1% of the 1%, I bet 75% of rangers and sf would never make threw buds, seals are the best of best
@@Lexus7912 those that go into ARSOF Programs do so because they know they would not make it through BUD/S; those same people are the ones making hater videos because it haunts them that they never had what it took.
@@Lexus7912 Truth. Those who pursuit ARSOF Careers do so because they could not make it through BUD/S, it haunts them to know they don’t have what it takes.
@@Lexus7912 You do understand that they al have different roles and missions, right? It's not like each branch has a football team or there are different leagues. Each type of unit serves a different role and is trained for that role.
"Every Marine is a Rifleman, every SEAL is an Author"
I heard that the hardest evolution in BUDS is the book-writing class lol
You wouldn’t make it a day in training. FACTS.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz are u a operator ?
@@DameTYB who wants to know?
I’m a Navy wife. Got a job in a country I wont mention. Dated a tall lanky man for bit from one of the NSW communities. One of the local bars in this country was owned by a wife from the Navy, so the bar was kinda designed and had art work for Navy divers, Seals, Rescue swimmers and Eod on the walls and tables. I dated a rescue swimmer. One of the navy sailors skipped him when he went to take a leak. My guy, the rescue swimmer, who I was dating at time. Super nice, innocent and tall, ended up being bullied by some ghetto regular ship sailors,
Like 6 on 1. it was a 6-8 of them against just my man. Eventually the entire bar of seals, eod, rescue swimmers and divers man handle this Navy Sailor who does not know how to swim. They all decide to continually choke him out, while carrying him to the near by beach. While fighting off his friends. And the guy I was seeing at time, the 6’4 lanky rescue swimmer, swam him out. As far as he could as the seals, other rescue swimmers and eod stood by at the beach. Few divers too. This younger black sailor changed his mind and forgave him after a few head dunks that we could hear and see. And there was kinda a code. Like they’ve done this before. Never mess with a swimmer, they will swim you out while you’re unconscious.
The rescue swimmer ended up cheating on me. And I ended up marrying one of the seals. But that bar, the men, and the brotherhood and fun they had together was a sight to behold. The fact the guy I dated didn’t swimmer him so far out because he knew. The fact my date at the time brought him back, shook hands and bought this black sailor beers and shots afterwards. Its a code among these strong Navy men that I do respect. And I know they they wouldn’t have harmed him for sure, but its the fact a harmless man, carrying out a ghetto acting man into deep water and still respecting him that was something I really respected. Never mess with Navy Special warfare people I say.
@@DameTYB if he was an operator he would of had a book out by now 🤣
Had a good family friend who was on one of the early A teams in Vietnam, early 1960’s. When he got out, he was at Ft. Devans MA, he then retired to St. Petersburg and worked at the VA , very humble man, a great man. Never sought recognition or even spoke about what he did. Maybe the greater lesson is the service to a cause bigger than yourself/ ourselves. He was a great man.
I have met two Vietnam veterans who were U.S. Army Special Forces. One of which worked Mac V Sog Recon Teams. He never said it. I had to piece it together with information i got from him, and reading books about Mac V Sog. Another person if have met, who is a good friend of my dad. Worked on the Phoenix Program. Simply because he still had written orders from when he was in Vietnam.
None of these men are out spoken. These men did their jobs in the shadows, never really talked about it till at least 20+ years later.
I even had the privilege of meet the last living Iwo Jima Flag Raiser. R.I.P. Mr Charles W. Lindberg. Who i got a signed and autographed photo from.
None of these men were very outspoken from what i saw.
Because they had a job to do. They did what was asked them and didn’t feel the need to pat themselves on the back for it. It’s what sets men apart from the boys.
Why isn't Lutrell's trident pulled? He was outed by his own rescuer. Kyle was no hero either.
Operation Red Wings controversy reminds me something similar around "Bravo Two Zero".
Good analogy. Their tactical, personal, and professional arrogance directly affect their planning (or lack thereof). Those 3 failure are directly related to leaderships incompetence OR willful dereliction of duty.
@@JBCCT01 Both Operation Red Wings and Bravo Two Zero had helicopters drop troops very close to objective too, alerting the local population - who by the way was not conventional military in both cases.
@@cyberdaemon In addition, the intelligence for both missions was incredibly small, terrain for both missions was an early concern, and communications capabilities were minimal to borderline insane.
I'm sure Brent Tucker (Former SF and CAG) has questioned Tim Kennedy's story about him saying how many people he evacuated from Afghanistan during the withdrawl being an exaggeration.
Ya Tim is unique in that space. Other than that it’s not a thing.
@@Krakatawa84 you are the one who needs to get facts straight. Brent Tucker was a former Delta/ CAG and guests a lot of podcast. Check also his FRCC homepage if you do not believe us.
@@Krakatawa84he's a former DELTA/CAG....take some research before you even say "get your facts straight".
Check FRCC home page, it shows his biography.
@@mikhacoffman4522 What?
Hey @@ValhallaVFT I just have a question out of curiosity I like both communities Army Rangers and Green berets but the question is do they receive identical skills in terms of Direct action combat like CQB type stuff????
If someone starts off in the army or marine corps by the time they are ready to apply for a special operations units there is a very good chance they would have combat experience maybe numerous tours specially during the GWOT and they may have already performed a special operations role for instance in recce platoons in their parent unit but a navy SEAL could go from being a sailor doing a FOD walk-down on a carrier to being on the ground in Afghan performing a special operations role in very challenging conditions in a relatively short time having never been shot at before. I don’t know any other way to say this other than - It gets real very quickly in Afghan.
I don’t want to seem like I’m lessening the contributions made by sailors on ships but very different job and surroundings.
So my point is sometimes in rare occasions there can be inexperienced seals in the wrong place at the wrong time and that’s when things go wrong.
I was in the British Army , I served in Afghan during Veritas/Fingal in 2001/2002 and Herrick 8 in 2008 so I’m basing my opinion on this subject based upon interactions and conversations I had with US forces both there and in Iraq. If I’ve got any of this wrong or I have made a mistake please tell me and I will adjust my comment and apologise.
Yes there is inexperience for a reason, the SEALs were never meant to be marines. SEALs at there core, are a frogman demolition unit that has transformed into a Commando Force. They have a lot more in common with Clearance Divers here in the UK than they do with units like the SBS, and their training is reflective of that. Also only a small minority of SEAL applicants are experienced sailors, soldiers, marines, or airmen. Most applicants are civilians that have passed basic training with no years of service under their belt. It's very unlike the UKSF, where you at least need a minimum of two years of service to even apply.
Love the new setup! Looks very much more professional! Keep up the videos, super entertaning, and informative.
Thanks brother, kudos goes to my wife lol. I got a few more things to do to finish it still.
Now we have former Navy SEALs doing podcasts about other former Navy SEAL's podcasts.
I at least like how Jocko provided the MACV-SOG dudes a platform to do podcast
I’ve got no idea if Jocko is a good dude or not, just used him as another example of them shitting on each other.
@@ValhallaVFT Based on what Eric Deming and the Marines are saying, Jocko probably isn't the good guy we all thought he was.
@@ExtraRice365 Green Beret Chronicles has a new podcast in which Eric Deming and two Marines address Jocko's most recent podcasts. One is the Marine who wrote that letter regarding Leif Babin, the other worked alongside Task Unit Bruiser in Ramadi. That's who he's talking about.
@ExtraRice365 I'm glad you actually changed your opinion some fan boys refuse to accept they got it wrong
The Jocko/Deming thing is a very dumb debacle. It is very 'she said'.
There are plenty of people who do not like jocko and will latch on to anything and support it with little to no evidence.
Jocko still needs to more adequately explain Kyle, in my opinion. But the whole thing actually goes like this:
Deming has long spoken out about seal culture being bad, wants to correct it.
Shows up on a podcast making claims. Jocko responds, twice. Deming brings along 2 Marines.
Meanwhile, another marine (who served under one that was on GB) tells his side, which is vastly different.
In general - Deming appears to be very reaching. Here are the videos in question:
GB Chronicles From One Shot to 36 Marine KIA: The Full Story Behind Task Unit Bruiser Catastrophe | Eric Deming 4/6/2024 ruclips.net/video/28Pks9i-CKk/видео.htmlsi=9kc_XRBirNhtPiO0
GB Chronicles SEALs Speak Out: What We Really Think About Jocko Willink with Retired SEAL Eric 4/6/2024 ruclips.net/video/lbR4GwXfMxg/видео.htmlsi=FMwyassJDUMHepXR
JockoPodcast Jocko Podcast 434: War Crimes, Murder, and Leadership. 4/16/2024 ruclips.net/video/zqVSXsoou-4/видео.htmlsi=nvZVCUim52FWC7o7
JockoPodcast Jocko Podcast 434.5: FACTS AND CLARIFICATIONS. War Crimes, Murder, and Leadership 4/23/2024 ruclips.net/video/A2lEXRsBtFo/видео.htmlsi=iT_O5qUTZvoQ3uAg
Daniel Blackwell My recollection of events in Ramadi in 2006. 4/26/2024 ruclips.net/video/fGg0RsdMwWg/видео.htmlsi=YSm-hHBIPQ-Liq9a
GB Chronicles Duty and Dishonor: The Marine's Revelation of Task Unit Bruiser 5/4/2024 ruclips.net/video/5A3fCoMTqmc/видео.htmlsi=PS2_JB14F4uFzLDX
This has been going around since I was in 30 years ago. They have terrible leadership issues and a lot of people saw this coming years ago. There are stories of SF and Recon Bubbas in Vietnam that didn't want to work with them either. It perplexes me why they even exist. I know that there may be a lot of good guys in that organization, but if the top doesn't get its act together, then the rest of the teams won't either. The simple fact is EVERY SOF unit has had infractions, they just do a better job at keeping it quiet.
As a Civilian that grew up reading and looking up to Navy SEALs, (I watched American Sniper) have yet to see Lone Survivor, I know all the big heavy hitter guys in the hollywood movies, this is heartbreaking to hear that there is so much drama going on inside the program and community. I’ve obviously never been in it myself, but I keep myself up to date on its current status and info while I’m out and about in my normal, pretty peaceful life, and it just makes me so upset that my favorite Special Operations Unit in the Military, are making a complete fool out of themselves. It really opened my eyes to some of the ignorance and immaturity that goes behind closed doors and makes me wonder where they went wrong. I wanna find a retired Green Beret or Off-duty Delta guy in my area to try and inquire more about why the SEALs are acting in the way they are since I just love the topic of Special Operations, Elite Units, as a normal everyday Civilian. God bless your channel man, I’m a new subscriber. Hooyah 🙏🏼🌊
Gravy seals gonna be mad bout this one
Not really, it needs to be said. I'm a former Teams Doc & I welcome the criticism.
I don't know anything about it, but as far as the whole Chris Kyle/Jesse Ventura thing, I found it impossible not to sympathize with Ventura. I used to listen to him a bit and he never tried to capitalize on his Vietnam history, he always kept quiet about it, even though he's a guy who makes his living as a public figure. It's also hard to win a defamation case unless the person really did lie.
As a retirement member of the Army's " special mission UNIT" I can tell you we had more discipline problems with them than anyone else. At one point the guys at Little Creek were virtually shooting each other weekly in training. That's way back when but another of us were " uncomfortable " when working with them. I hate to say this but it was true back then...
The Navy SEALs attacking each other started with the book Good To Go. Good To Go was written by a Vietnam veteran Navy SEAL. He made up a bunch of lies about other Navy SEALs making them into cowards on the Vietnam battlefield. They sued him and got the money he made on the book. You can look it up because their were news articles about it on the internet.
I flew quite a few medivac chase missions, as an assault pilot, in Afghanistan, in addition to assault missions. When the seals were in our AO, it made for a busy day for the med.
We supported the SAS and GBs too, from an assault aspect and medivac standpoint. Those guys were surgical. The seals were the opposite of surgical, lol. Just one mans opinion. Not saying they were bad... just very aggreasive took a much wider battle field presence, which increased their secondary engagements.
They were great fighters and they are obviously trained that way, but it was fascinating to see how the different communities worked. Especially as a young regular army guy, who randomly got thrown in a unit that picked up the 160th overflow work, direct support to the AUS SAS and med chase, in a very active AO, during the surge. So take my viewpoint with a grain of salt. I just obsevred certain patterns over that 12 months.
SEALs talk way too much. You don’t see SF, or even common grunts being as loud as the SEALs. Thumping their chests, calling each other out publicly with drama, it’s just crazy…
WTF are you even going on about?
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz It’s in plain English slick,
@@CombatMonkey11B it’s in plain bullshit; and you are full of it.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz How am I full of it? SEALs have been airing out dirty laundry, calling each other out publicly, running their mouths, expelling other SEALs from “the community”, so on and so forth. Too much drama for guys who should be doing their jobs and shutting up about it. I’m not saying all of them are that way, the bulk are not. However, it’s pretty clear there’s some ego issues that are making it to the public eye, which is unhealthy for the perception of the group as a whole. You must be some civilian that has a hard on for the SEALs.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz You must be a civilian with a stiffy for the SEALs, because you’re missing out on all the egotistical inner battles they’ve made public. It’s a bad look.
All there is to say about Gallagher is other operators on his team thought he was crazy and bloodthirsty, even by their standards; The most reasonable interpretation of that is, he was going beyond the pale of accepted norms and mission parameters into unsanctioned butchery, even by the standards of men who are paid trained professional killers, who are given the greenlight to kill as they perceive needed on the mission. That says everything.
I'm not a huge fan of the SEALs in general, but the other team members testimony fell apart during cross examination at Gallagher's court martial. IIRC the only thing he was convicted of was taking a picture with a dead Iraqi. Also in the same picture were all the other SEALs who had been given immunity.
@@l4c390either way he must have been incredibly f*ked up to get his own squad risking jail time and their own status as spec ops, to go to court against him.
@@gavins9846 They didn't risk anything, as they testified under a grant of full immunity. Everyone on that team was guilty of being involved in that prisoners death.
@@l4c390 How guilty? There's standing there in shock because your chief just stuck his own knife into a captives neck out of the blue, versus actually stabbing a captive. A book written by David Philipps covers this, including why his fellow seals were so on the fence about keeping any evidence.
@@l4c390 That's only three of all the seals that testified. And thats because its Seal culture to put loyalty before integrity. One of them (the medic Scott) wanted to use that to protect not himself but Gallagher, because he was still their seal. The fact that they even got their case past their officer and Lt commander, who were both tight with Eddie and had every reason and means to shut it down if it was bull, into the public sphere and a courtroom, is pretty damning. Both superiors knew they would've been charged for ignoring their legal duties to report a warcrime when it first happened, if the case went forward, and they were only saved through Trump's intervention later on in 2019.
it seems like people are kinda sick of many things that had their popular run this past decade. seals as a brand, marvel movies, people want something new now.
A guy at my gym was a Navy Seal. Hes proved it with his dd-214. We were all just joking on him one day about heing Hollywood etc... and it made him cry. He literally cried because we made fun of him and told him being a SEAL doesnt make him tough.
This can’t be real 😂
I AM DYING 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
dd214s can be faked in order to verify you need to call don shipley
Don’t forget about the John Chapman cover up!
Hi, as a guy from a country with no army , it's difficult for me to understand some of the topics you talk about and some aspects of the American culture towards military, but I think your channel is very informative, and I like the way you talk, you talk respectfully . Take care bro / Cuídese compa.
Those fellas never stop, “Where’s” Marcus, “crime time” Eddie, “bump stock” Chris, “Calamity” Jock, “Pinocchio” Rob……..
Just some ideas: Best Shooters, best fit, best snipers....etc for units
Sir filipino here, you said you had worked with the PNP SAF, do they know how to do weapons manipulations, fast entries? Modified highs and modified low readies?
They’re trained by U.S. special forces teams all the time so they are fairly proficient.
@@ValhallaVFT cool, if you don’t mind me askin’ sir, when was the last time you got to train them? I’m an aspirant of that unit, and surely I’ll boost up that unit’s skill in the future👍🏼👍🏼
@@Krakatawa84 2016 was the last time I worked with them, so it’s been a little while
"Buy my coffee enema book program?"
have no military connection whatsoever, but your channel and your style makes it rivetting entertainment -- I'm here for the real human drama
Most people I watch talk about the tiers and how elite units are based on funding, training and missions. From what they say seals/ devgru have more funding training and better missions than marsoc, SF and rangers. Devgru is maybe equal to or just under CAG in those 3 requirements. Are those points wrong?
Tiers are pretty much based on how the funding works, for whatever reason people assume because they’re labeled as “tier” that it assumes a rating or skill level, which it does not.
@@ValhallaVFTThey believe that because it’s sort of true. Yes, the the difference between say tier 1 and everyone else pertains to funding, but there is still a more demanding selection process SMs need to go through in order to get to that tier.
@@andrewwhite8586 Difference between tier 1 & 2 is that tier1 focus more on dynamic CQB, hostage rescue and psyops. Everything else(interms of skills/tactics) is the same.
Green Berets had the first movie and it was a masterpiece! Taught me all I needed to know about VC booby traps.
How about being proud of your service? No matter what you did? I went to Afghanistan for 1 short deployment in 2002-2003, just a small cog in big wheel, did my duty.
Respect!
This channel exist for the soul purpose of shitting on those they envy. It is transparent in every way.
Well said
@wd2romeo, every day grunts do the majority of the heavy lifting. Fuxck all the SF hype and bullshixt.
@@Cooperdbhd Correct. That is why infantry centric Army and USMC have zero need for SOF. If infantry can’t do it then there are already SEa Air and Land Commandos who have completed the toughest military training in the world that do the work that doesn’t require a lot of men in the field; and they are qualified to DIVE, MFF, and utilize DEMO. ARSOF is completely unnecessary.
Two seals out of uniform robbing a civilian of a seal patch or insignia at the Philadelphia International airport, as shown on social media-just plain illegal.
Would u ever go on the Shawn Ryan show or do an interview with anyone about your career?
I’ve done 3 podcasts, The Team House, Green Beret Chronicles and The Former action guys podcasts. Lots of people ask me if I would go on Shawn’s podcast but I’m yet to receive an invitation lol.
@@ValhallaVFT no shit I just looked up the one from the former action guys podcast and I remember watching that interview but I didn’t recognize you from then compared to now lol
@@ValhallaVFTI think that would be a really interesting conversation to have with him. Honestly i think hed probably be receptive to your POV on this subject
I feel like SR does a good job representing their community
@@ValhallaVFT I don’t think Shawn has any interest in doing a podcast with a shit talking Meth Head.
I like the channel man.
It’s wild how US public perception/propaganda has overblown aspects of SOF, and and at the same time other aspects/units are completely understated. One in particularly is RRC, one of the only (maybe THE only) Tier one unit that is still very much quiet about what they do and what they’ve done, until very recently with Mike Edwards, possibly to a fault
It helps having your base in San Diego helps with the marketing I guess. Easier drive to Hollywood.
@@ValhallaVFT lol maybe so
Hollywood-type boys 💗 Navy-type boys
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I was fortunate to have had Vietnam/ MACVSOG Seal intructors. The Teams have diminished from being humble quiet professionals.
The hardest phase of Seal Training is "How to Negotiate a Movie or Book Deal" if you fail that, you are out! (Joke)
I was in the Navy 1982 to 1988 based at North Island Naval Air station right down the road from the seal training camp and every morning I would drive the strand to the base and you could see the seals in the Pacific Ocean on their backs while the wave crashed over them or a larger group with a log over their heads running down the beach and back then they were a great group of men that got the job done. I was with VS-41 and VS-33 AZ2 two west pacs.
I wonder if SEALS get assigned a publicist right after BUDS or do they wait until they finish their training first?
To be fair there’s quite a few green berets and others that have called Tim Kennedy out, or Tu lam, or Mike Glover, or even Tony Cowden... the seals aren’t the only ones calling out their own.
One dude said one comment about Tim. Not the same even if you want it to be.
Its not as bad as the Navy Seals
What did Tu Lam do? I know all about the Tim Kennedy stuff
What did Tu do?
@@matthiasthulman4058 he’s said he was in cag, makes it sound like as a assaulter when the reality is he was either support or attached to them. He shot himself in the foot, not figuratively by misrepresenting his service but literally ND’d in to his own foot and tried to cover it up. There’s been some accusations of stealing issued gear which is kind of whatever but also stealing designs for his gear and refusing to acknowledge any of it.
Army Infantry here, 8 yrs, 2 combat tours. Never got the hype. I'm a WarFighter, they're mission guys. 6 month deployments, Gucci gear, rides to the objectives. All that and STILL FUCK UP THE MISSION.
Army Infantry a whole 8 years huh? It’s no wonder you haven’t a clue what you are talking about.
The best thing ever for miliatary recuirment was the release of Call of Duty Modern Warfare games.
Facts, this isn’t talked about enough. The military has a whole department dedicated to funding and influence in movies and video games.
I mean shit, I was asking for Option 40 when I went into the recruiter’s office after playing MW2 lol. Ultimately ended up signing an 18X contract after doing more research into the mission sets.
I once was highly motivated to become a Navy SEAL. I fell in love with Spec Ops. I am now pursuing Army SOF. The reason is that Navy SEALs are too glamorized for me. They have a reputation for boasting and bragging, but other SOF regiments have the same capabilities. Great points.
You would have never made it through BUD/S, don’t kid yourself.
@JohnDoe-rt2bz plus it's overmanned. I was in the navy and I was an undesignated seaman before I picked up for OS. Learn from my mistakes and don't join the navy. Go in the army or air force.
@@UltimateLimitless678 what is overmanned? BUD/S? NSW? The OS RATE has nothing to do with either.
Well then you can buy your ODA buddies another beer while the girl leaves the bar with a SEAL😉
@@JohnDoe-rt2bzSo if it’s “overmanned,” is it not worth joining the Navy just for NSW?
I've listened to Eddie Gallagher tell his story on 2 different podcasts, and I've listened to others give their view of events. I believe Eddie. It's refreshing that you didn't crap on him, and I respect how you covered it. "Our government sends us to war with strategic goals to accomplish using whatever means necessary. If you don't feel comfortable with how we do our mission, don't send us to war." Hopefully I got that close enough.
Dude you are the first one that I have listened to that spoke DIRECTLY about what has happened on some of these missions and how they are characterized...and you are spot on. I was a 71Lima...an S1 desk jockey at an Ord Group. Some of the older guys that were now out of the field often spoke about the difference between hindsight and being there and not the same. We don't know.
They definitely went downhill…they could write a book on flushing their public image 🚽
You’re extremely bias and to say SEALs are all Hollywood is BS. Green Berets are the OG Hollywood SPECOPS guys, can I interest you in the Arnold’s movies and the Rambo series? I’m not going to address your other allegations because I don’t know and I can only speak on my interactions with team guys vice SF. I agree with something you did say and in the senior enlisted ranks we try to practice which is What’s said the Mess stays in the Mess. The more people who don’t practice it the more people will think it’s ok to air out dirty laundry and/or bash each other.
Are there currently dozens of Green Berets trashing each other in the public domain, calling each other war criminals, suing each other, claiming their war stories are made up, claiming they are criminals? Because there are with the SEALs. I don’t think I’m biased, I think you just don’t like objective reality.
@@ValhallaVFT you showed you’re bias by saying they want to be all Hollywood when that could have been left out. Also if you want to trash a community trash your own because you all have skeletons too. You’re showing how your bias by not airing your dirty laundry but you want to speak about someone else’s, that’s what I’m talking about.
@@Kretikos hmm, interesting. The video I just put out you might want to go look at then if you think that. Considering the court just threw out the entire case and dropped all charges.
Love the content. Keep the truth in space.
Tony E. DeDolph was a SEAL who helped haze and ultimately murder Staff Sgt. Logan Melgar, an Army Special Forces soldier. However, let's not forget Marine Gunnery Sgt. Mario Madera-Rodriguez helped in the hazing - a Marine Raider. In Vietnam, it was Army soldiers who mass-murdered unarmed civilians during the My Lai Massacre. In Iraq, it was US Marines who murdered unarmed Iraqi civilians in the Haditha Massacre. Are SEALs generally "worse" than other US warfighters? No. They have just had more popularity recently, and for the general population to learn that they aren't necessarily saints is shocking to some. They will go out of the limelight, and some other group will take their place. In Vietnam it was the Special Forces. Recently, it was the SEALs. It will most likely be the Marine Raiders next. Then, they will be vilified or fall from the limelight as well. The cycle repeats itself. History repeats itself. The next war will repeat itself.
Everyone has dirt.
SF operators aren’t hard to kill.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz you better behave yourself or your mom will cut you off the Internet and throw you out of her basement 🤓.
And the SEALs are the only ones who air it out for everyone to see.
@@ValhallaVFT the us army hides like cowards when they kill their own down range and lie about it to try and save face, or when ARSOF redeploy back to Bragg and smoke their supposed best “friend” or dump a mag into their old ladies face. Your trash talk aside, put down your Meth Pipe and take a long hard look on just how absolutely pathetic and weak you are presenting yourself. Or not, either way you are past the point of redemption.
I remember growing up, thinking that Delta force was not a real unit or that it was, but it was no more that the green berets did not exist as they did in Vietnam the army recruiting was gear towards college, “Be all you can be “kind of hokey advertising. I remember one ad where the guy is walking with a girl and she says that she was airborne and I thought to myself oh well that must be a joke then basically I wish I knew a little more about the green berets, I might have given it a shot, not that I would’ve made it, but I certainly would’ve contemplated it.
One of the seals involved with the incident supposedly tried to get with his wife after allegedly killing her husband . There’s actually a podcast that went over some crazy details that is honestly unbelievable.
What happened to the two seals that murdered a green beret that caught them stealing.
I love the use of the old SOG emblem with your ODA. I was unaware how teams still use variations of the emblem until I went to the small SF museum on Bragg.
If you have any book recommendations by SF dudes I’m all ears. I know the Jack Murphy debacle is highly controversial, as well as his book. I liked the interview you did with his podcast! Curious as to why Jack wasn’t on the interview though 😂
What’s the thing on the center of your plaque board behind you?
My Dad was in the 101st Airborne during WW2. I never heard him talk about the war. Seems like some people need to keep their mouth shut. Great video by the way
4:22 that's a really bad take my guy. There's a difference between war and war crimes. If your video is about accountability well then you have already lost credibility with that statement alone.
Again, people like you’ve who never fought in one’s opinion is irreverent.
@@ValhallaVFTthe man is correct I did serve and I grew up in a war zone. When you kill civilians you create terrorists. The green berets function was to train indig so the fact that you aren't conscious of this is baffling to me.
@@ValhallaVFT Lol okay Mr. "Accountability." I didn't realize that I had to go fight in a war to be qualified to speak common sense.
Protip: Work on your spelling and spend some time with a book without pictures.
Like law enforcement, a few bad apples give everyone a bad name.
From what I understand, there isn't much of a requirement to get into the Seal's course (passing it is another thing). SF and Delta is very hard just to be accepted to try out and you have to have made E5 first. Delta is crazy hard to get into.
As a national guard 11b, i agree that they make us operators look bad.
Whooooopsy
Speaking from experience, the Covid deal was a huge deterrent. Guys were getting the ok to continue training without a vax and once they completed Sage, they were told that they would need to get the vax or be dropped from the course. The “just gotta follow orders” mentality isn’t something guys were expecting from such a highly respectable community which desires critical thinking. Especially in the context of an experiment which sent young dudes to their graves from myocarditis and other heart/blood related issues.
Ah yes, the classic “the unit i was with is actually more betterer than this other one that people think is good!!”
You wouldn’t know because you weren’t in any of them turd.
@@ValhallaVFTand yours is so easy girls do it!😂
@@HunterHayes-rs2yi 👌 dork!
@@HunterHayes-rs2yi 👌nerd!
@@HunterHayes-rs2yi oh look its precious wittle Feewings are hurt. Toughen up butter cup.
Answer: They are not disciplined professionals!!
I was just a normal 11 bravo rough neck grunt i just did my job the most i look for in return in a military discount at hime depot😅😅😅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪
Don’t forget that free meal at Applebees on Veterans Day.
This is what I like about Air Force Pararescue, the special ops rescue team nobody in civilian sector seems to know about. But seriously good points.
Perhaps th issue is part of the selection criteria that Seals use. Their psychological assessment throughout their career should be able to identify the problem children...
when I was a senior in high school (2006), I tried to enlist in the navy but was told I was ineligible (medical issue). I wanted to be a SEAL sooooo bad. Looks like it was a blessing in disguise.
In my very ignorant opinion, I think when Spec Ops guys brag about how nigh-impossible the training is to become Spec Ops, it turns most people off from even trying. What's the point of wasting your time in attempting something that seems to have a 99.999999999% failure rate? A better use of time and energy would be to go into something that can teach me skills that will translate better into a civilian career later.
Marine infantry 0311s are all the USA needs to kick ass. After that let the Army take notes and hold down the fort
"The better part of valor is discretion" -Shakespeare, Henry IV Retired Navy Chief here, You're right and thanks for saying it. Chris Kyle is a perfect example of SEAL arrogance overriding basic common sense. You don't go to the public selling yourself as the SEAL with the highest kill shot like you're bragging about shooting duck on a hunting trip and not expect shit to catch up to you.
Finally. Someone who tells the truth.
That’s what my channel is known for I think, hate it or love it.
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In my opinion I I think it has to do with the leadership and cover-ups. (You can Google whatever cover up you want to), My opinion as to why the the retention rate is down.
Your absolutely right, get your act together fellas, you are a brotherhood so start acting like brothers
At 63 and a former Submariner of the Silent Service, I noticed in my youth as a late Boomer that the quality of the character of Americans has been declining since the politicians of Vietnam. Most of our Founders were not uber pius Christians like the Great Awakening preachers of the 1700s but they had reverence for Christian virtures. Self sacrifice, honesty, service, fidelity, kindness, forgiveness etc. Many of those virtues were included in our military ethos mottos. De Oppresso Liber etc. Since 1963 reverence for God was banned in public schools and its at an all time low. We were never a Christian Nation like ancient Israel was originally a Single Religion but we were a nation of motly Chistians and others with two alegences. One to our God and the other to our Constitution. Totally separate and the first in history. We are now a nation of selfish undisciplined brats and that makes selection for the best of the best much harder. Lowering standards of character personal discipline and moral fortitude in every area of American life including many Churches. We are at the precipice of self destruction today.
I had a horrible experience with the SEAL's in IRAQ. They had no idea how to communicate or use combined arms. Can't tell you how many times they needed to be bailed out of bad situations they had no business being in. They belong in the water, no question they are the best in that battle space.
We had the seals do a mission with us in Afghanistan in 2012 with the commandos. We had that mission in '08 and I couldn't believe how they operated. I was actually stunned. We had them infil prior to us with the CDOs to start clearing and told them explicitly to round up all the MAMs and bring them along for the ride. We were pulling dudes out of mud huts that were already "cleared". I won't even get into their actions once we got to the LOA. Never been impressed with their land skills. Can't touch them in the water though. I will give them that.
I’m assuming your In group by the description of the missions. How’d you guys get placed to work with a seal team? That’s pretty rare in Afghanistan.
@@ValhallaVFT good old VSO days. We requested the CDOs for a clearing op near our VSO site which was still in a kinetic area. We knew where they would come from so we wanted the seals to come in with the CDOs and clear/disrupt.
When did you go through MFF?
@@skydevil3488 I figured that was probably the case. Definitely different times. I never got to do VSO, just missed it before we drew down.
@@skydevil3488 summer of 2015 I believe.
I remember hearing my instructor absolutely trash the seals and saying how the ones he worked with were egotistical and overrated. I was like wtf, now I kinda get it
A lighthearted topic I would love to see (possibly a series) would be your doing react style videos to zombie apocolypse/horror movies and giving your take on how you would handle it differently due to your years of training and first hand experience.
Green berets have aruguably the most uniqe skill set in all of special operations and its great to see them go back to getting their due credit.
Haha oh man my wife would hate you. I ruin every movie we watch by doing exactly that. That’s an interesting idea. I’m not tech savvy enough to even know how to do that over another video yet though lol.
@@ValhallaVFT Ha ha ha I dont know if there is a way for us to talk offline with good opsec but I used to do video editing back in the day. Happy to help you through it
@@ValhallaVFT Also would love to see you and my fellow irishman kevin owen collaberate someday.
Hey man! Been loving all your videos!!!
Can you do one on an SF K9 Handler? Would absolutely love your perspective on that. I heard those guys are always working, and have like a mini-selection to be able to do that. Sounds legit
Thanks bro. We always had dogs on the team for combat operations, but I honestly don’t know much about the backside of it. What the course or training entails and what not. I’m not the best person for that information.
Check out Mike ritland if ur into k9 spec ops
Look up Trent Mcdonald. He was a handler with the regiment.
@@patricklaurojr7427 Mike Ritland the Navy SEAL? I’m sure this channel will poo poo all over that recommendation.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz why ritland is cool as fuck
The good seals should trash the bad seals, isn't it a "referendum of all the special forces".
I'm just a nothing special Marine... But honestly, I really hate seeing the in-flighting between the Special Operations crowd.
I have no doubt that most of the heat comes from the SEALS stepping out of the shadows and doing movies and books, I don't necessarily see anything wrong with it... But I understand how it opens them up to massive scrutiny from other SF groups that feel Tier operators should stay clandestine.
My thoughts, could be way off, but I think it's a little bit jealous/envious that SEALS are doing it, and also that SEALS might be betraying the unspoken rule of the clandestine - living in the shadow life.
If it helps the SF community with public opinion and quality recruiting, I say good shit and keep it up. If it's hurting public opinion and making recruitment harder, it needs to stop.
Ironically didn’t this video come out about the time that green beret made that video accusing (with zero proof) Jocko of being a war criminal?
Money and fame ruin everything. Delta has managed to keep its integrity.
My papa was a SEAL and served with ST1 during Vietnam. Ever since I can remember, I wanted to be a SEAL like him, but as I got older and learned more about the teams and what's going on, I don't really know if I want to follow in his footsteps. Most of the people I talk to, including my uncle, who was in the 75th, say's I should go Army SOF or ASPECWAR. I still don't know what I want to do.
Well you know better than most then. I’d listen to whatever his advice is and then make the decision you think is best for you.
Go to 24th STS. Amazing group plus you get to be in the Air Force and a bad ass mission performance unit at the same time. Gravy train on biscuit wheels. Army SOF is a good second place if that is your calling.
Seems like a lot of special operators are on social media making names for themselves these days. I see a lot of SOF guys on here as well. But I will agree that the SEALS need to keep their shit in house. It seemed to really take off after Neptune Spear. I went to language school with a few SEALS and a couple Green Berets. Granted this was in the late 1980s, but the SEALS were a lot less humble than the Green Berets. Being former Navy with a few friends to this day who were SEALs it is tough to say. but there really does seem to be a culture problem within the community.
My dream to have a wall like yours lol
Ha! That’s only one wall of it man. It spans onto the one next one too. I’m thinking about doing a video where I go through all of it and explain what it all is.
@@ValhallaVFTI’ll explain it…it’s girl training!😆
JFK fell in love with the green berets in late 1960 when he went to fort Bragg no one really knew about them ..JFK wanted a navy spec ops an Air Force commandos
Seals are a dime a dozen. Delta is where it’s at.
Ok gamer
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It seems to me that if you want to be a commando, the seals is the last place you would go, because the 1st thing you think about the NAVY is big ships AKA battle ships, destoyers submarines & of course air craft carriers.
David Goggles said no
Question:
How do different SF teams differ culturally? Like I'd assume different ODAs are relatively similar within their theatre but I wonder how different they may be between things like different theatres
If they separate them by teams and stuff too (dive, mountain etc.), I wonder if there are also differences in culture between those
Really varies team by team. Was on 3 different ODAs throughout my career, two had very similar cultures, one was quite a bit different. Not all teams are created equal, some are really good, some not so much.
@@ValhallaVFT I see, that's pretty interesting just how y'all can be quite different internally speaking
Thank you for your service ✌🏻👼🏻🤟🏻
Every marine is a rifleman and every navy seal is an author
lol I’ve never heard that one before, clever.
There are a number of jars who went into the SEAL Teams. Those are the smart ones.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz Eddie Penney is a very good example.
Pen’s sharper than the sword
@@Krakatawa84 and a pen is sharper than a crayon.
Lone survivor they lost that mission as soon as he released those prisoners he had. They we’re his best bargaining tool .
My dad says a lot of the same things. He’s a 3rd group guy as well.
It started with Marcenko writing his books about being a seal. Red cell.
Reading the comments, i see alot of SEALSUCKERS in the comments. Alot of you need the book "Alone at Dawn" in your life, along with the video footage.
People forget about the absolute garbage leadership from "Mako" back channel calls that also got anoth CH 47 downed and a bunch of Rangers killed, and it should be talked about more.
I haven’t done anything or gone to combat like you guys, so forgive me, and go ahead and tell me off if that’s the right thing to do, but I’m just gonna give my honest take on the TF bruiser/Chris Kyle thing and ask a few legitimate questions I have.
Ultimately I still support what the GWOT was fundamentally about, stamping out ITs. These are legitimate bad people that still exist and cause a lot of harm. So building on that, should TF bruiser really be placed under such scrutiny for maybe sometimes getting some people that were halfway ITs or sympathetic to their IT cousins that tried to enable them? One of the big things I hear from GWOT guys is how the ROEs neutered them so much, should TF bruiser really be blamed for trying to skirt aside those ROEs and for having a more “crusader” mindset?
Like I said in the video, it’s not my or anyone else’s place to judge what guys do in combat. I know what war is like and entails, and it’s ugly, I did it for a long time. My point is keep your mouths shut about it if you don’t want the criticism that comes with it.
The way you referenced the venture kyle
Story is bullshit. Kyle was a liar Ventura a victim. You insensated that it was a wash
lol, sure dude.
From inside, Exactly right. From outside, Civies LOVE what they think is a peek inside.