The EASIEST Way To Lower a VW MK8 Golf R
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- Опубликовано: 26 май 2022
- How to Lower a MK8 Golf R or MK8 GTI. This video will show you step by step on how to lower a MK8 golf R, or a MK8 GTI. I will be using adjustable springs from ST, but the process will be the same for just about any lowing setup. We will retain Dynamic chassis control, and I will cover adjusting headlights, alignment, and DCC basic settings.
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Even though I dont recommend these springs, a HUGE thank you to Glen at The Suspension Source for sending them to me. www.thesuspensionsource.com! I will also say, if you think these are the right springs for you, buy them! I personally think there are so many better options. Sorry ST, but im not feeling these.
I love seeing fellow mechanics do coil springs "my way". Taking the entire strut and spindle out is so much easier. Besides, if you take only the strut, you're only 1 nut away from complete disassembly anyways.
My trick for reinstalling the struts is resting the lower ball joint on a shop stool. That way I can reinstall it by myself.
Honesty is the best policy.
@@panzerveps We were lowering new cars at the dealer for a while. This was the fastest way for just springs.
@@hiemabedrog ALWAYS
@@HumbleMechanic I'm the only one who does it this way at the dealership. I don't get why.
Excellent video 🔥
Thanks y’all!! Hyped to see what you guys do with yours.
Charles, I’m so glad someone finally showed the world how to work on the front suspension. I see tons of videos of people doing this the hard way. I’ve had my front suspension out of the car several times, and I always do it the exact same way. MUCH easier and also safer than the ridiculous 2x4 method. Just so you know, you don’t need to compress the spring. There’s almost no tension and the top hat comes off with no drama or parts flying even without using a spring compressor.
To each their own when it comes to this kind of thing but I will say that is a very nice looking vehicle overall.
Charles, you are The Man. Love this top notch install and honest review.. As we modding folks know, it's never easy.. cheers.
Thanks so much! Can you do me a fav and give it a share. It seems RUclips hasn’t like me very much lately.
that was the craziest/coolest spring compressor I've seen. it seems much safer than the other style, where you compress one side and then the other, and back and forth until it comes off.
Charles: "This rear assembly can be tricky."
*Five seconds later, the bolts are in*
Charles: "Oh."
When I replaced a rear spring on my 2012 Beetle Turbo, I was shocked how easy the process was! I was ready for battle, but it took longer to jack up the car and remove the wheel than it did to swap the spring!
Good video. Keep it up!
Hi Charles,
Thanks for this test. I've seen this type of spring from multiple manufacturers and always wondered what they were like for the practicality. But from your test I can see they are not what would be described as better solution. Keep up the good work👍
I'd like to see Charles work a week in a Toyota shop sometime just to hear his thoughts/reactions to working on vehicles with different philosophies behind their engineering.
I still have a 98 Tacoma project coming soon
"SKA-BOING"! Great commentary Charles :-) Awesome as per usual 👍
It's nice to see (even though you never include them in your actual commentary) the frustration you have at times putting on manufacturer products (e.g. like when you through your cap). Your review of products is really spot on, especially this one.
That's the beefiest spring compressor I've ever seen. I agree with you on this kit. Thanks for sharing!
Wasn't a waste of time... You creates awesome content! Thank you.
Thank you! You are right, it was a really good learning exp, and its great for you guys. PLUS H&R springs are here now..
Your last remark [in the video] was my initial thought. However, as always there's something to learn or remember from your videos. 👍
Love the new tires and wheels! On the springs…I can’t believe they even sell those. Lol.
I’m having H&R lowering springs installed on my MK7 GLI next week along with new wheels and tires. Can’t wait!
YESSS!!! If you post on social, tag me! My H&R just came. So we will be redoing the suspension next week AHHA
@@HumbleMechanic absolutely!
love the content Charles! Can't help but notice all the plastic! it's everywhere!! Growing up with Mk4's this feels like VW cut some serious costs for owners to then deal with the plastic
Amazing work again. Love your videos :)
Thank you
That must’ve been frustrating. I don’t think anyone doing this would think about that notch issue. If you stick with those adjustable springs, maybe you could just grind that notch away?
Great video Charles! I’m sorry the springs fell short of your expectations. The adjustment method is very,very lacking among other things. Too bad the ST springs aren’t linear rate as well. To me, I was interested because there seems to be a market need for adjustable lowering springs. The other 2 options are really just set-drop lowering springs or coil overs if you want any adjustment. And often, the coil overs are too low, IMO, for daily driving. I’ve been running the Bilstein B12 Sportline on the Mk5 for years and would love to able to just raise the ride height about 12-15mm.
Modify your suspension, they said.
It will be awesome, they said.
Keep the oem stuff for re-installation afterwards.
Thanks for sharing.
Kind regards,
South Africa
Good to see this kind of review - parts that aren't *fully* thought-out and engineered and require full disassembly for minor adjustment... aren't parts that should be marketed.
I've been considering some non-adjustable lowering springs for my Mk 7, but there are also places I drive my car that stock ride height just clears. 🤔
Definitely don't want a bag system, but even coil over with air cups requires a compressor.
Might just have to sacrifice some plastic to the curb gods.
My 7.5 is stock height and I love it. I have an Alltrack belly pan and aerofab front lip. It looks good, rides great. I’d have to have a really good reason to mess with it
Holy crap that was alot of work! I usually always opt for coilovers.
Just so you know, if or when you do those camber plates plus the ball joints you’re gonna wind up with like -3.8 ish camber.. quite the amount for a DD, which after about -3 your endlink attachment eyelet thing will hit the frame on bumps.. Whiteline makes some tops too with caster and camber but not as much camber as the 034s. Also, from what all my friends say the 034s tops are very noisy so keep that in mind! Appreciate the honest review on those springs!
I’ve heard that as well. I’m going to install them so I can tell you guys for sure. Good education for all of us
@@HumbleMechanic I have those 034 camber plates on my MK7 R, they do make a lot of noise over even minor sharp bumps. However, if you flip the rubber pucks they are as quiet and comfortable as the stock mounts. I have been running them for over two years.
Wow a lot of know it all backseat drivers under this video.Congrats to your new suspension Charles, hope it drives like you desired it.
Great videos. One thing that has been irking me on this car that I want to modify is to disable the hill hold. Not only does it not work properly (basically just holds you in place for an extra 3 seconds when you’re trying to get going) I bought a manual transmission to have full control over the transmission and I’m fully capable of driving in hills without any hill hold.
If you could figure out the coding and post a video about how to disable hill hold, this would clear my only real complaint with the car 🙏
As a dealer tech, we do if the exact same way lol. So much easier instead of sliding it out of the spindle. Especially cause our stuff gets crazyyyyy rusty (east coast Canada 🇨🇦)
This way seems to be the “technician way”. Hahah
16:19 "I think its time" I love right as he says that the wrench falls off but the scene changes before we hear it crash onto the floor 🤣
:P
notification squad, Have a nice weekend!🔥🔥🔥
YASSS
I learned the hard way when messing with the subframe on my 2018 R to disconnect sensors ahead of time. Interesting they added that outer plastic piece in the engine bay.
Yep I’ve for sure broke one before
Love the R colored bungee
Thank you for the fail. Hope it prevents others from the same. I totally agree, if you cannot adjust while on the car, then forget it.
Yep. Bummer for sure
We have ST coilovers on my wifes car and its sooo soft, it feels loose compared to the factory suspension. We are saving for something a little more sporty.
I guess one other thing to note is the myth of "one time use" Fasteners
If its Torque to yield, it is recommended to replace, anything below yield is reusable.
All this means is that if the bolt stretches "plasticly" it has gone past it point of return, literally. Yield point of a material is where it stops deforming in a spring like way, and starts to become permanently deformed, below yield is fair game.
If there is no torque spec with degrees in the callout, then 99.9% of the time its good to go. *Sans bolts made of Stainless, titanium or aluminum*
Just a PSA
All fasteners stretch as part of tightening up… but torque to yield bolts are an engineering trick to get consistent torque settings on fasteners and keep them from loosening up on their own
Just replace every fastener with ARP hardware, problem solved. Plus they add like 50 or 60 rwhp
@@chrisgadsden6402 this ^^ 😂
This is the way i do front springs on anything VAG, drop the lot, makes it heavier when handling but its a trade off between battling to get it out the knuckle or carr a little extra weight around!
Glad to know I’m not that crazy. Haha
Adjustable coilovers were probably a simpler path to more aggressive handling, and this change in geometry will affect your driving technique to account for how the car rotates. You will likely notice this in slaloms. But to achieve this dude, you worked your bucket off. Great job.
VERY. much. I just wanted to keep OEM DCC!
@@HumbleMechanic KW DDC ;)
Loved your honest opinion about this. Also, I understand you don’t want to tighten the front strut with an impact but reversing or loosening the nut will damage the shock???
not with hand tools(in general) Even if you move it a little, its fine. its when you buzz them fast, the whole cylinder moves at a hight speed and can damage the internals..
That really does sound like a pain in order to corner ballance but if my thinking may be correct (in these cases may not be the case) if you had the top machined in some way to instead of removal of that notch you place a spot in the adjuster for it to fit into would that not in theory make your 034 plates work as well as the adjustability adjuster work without complete removal?
034 springs have a perfect drop IMO. Though with my Audi Magride its a bit crashy. Also, I don't think good springs "settle", but do thing they take a bit to work themselves into the rubber isolators which does impact the height giving the perception of settling.
Not sure if already done, but can you do a video about adjusting the headlights after lowering your vehicle. Thank you for the top quality videos
I’ll cover that when we fix the suspension next time.
I support the effort. The lack of Pro-kit and OE springs on this platform is BS. Not everyone trying to ride dirty low
All in time. The platform is still new(ish)
Great video but did I blink and miss the replacement bump stop figment ?
Car does look cool
hi, when i want lower my golf mk6 gti, can i only swap springs? have fabric shock absorbers, thx for answer , your fan :)
Hey Charles, where did you get that blue VW Service sign that is on the fridge behind the TT? I already have the yellow/orange bug service sign, but I'm really digging that blue one.
It probably came from Ddriver gear
I wonder if that cowl stripping will fit on a MK7. Looks like a far better alternative to the one that just falls off.
i have kw adjustable springs on my mk7 r. you can adjust them on the car. might have to loosen the top 3 bolts depending on ride height
also.. i used the eurosport camber kit that uses the oem top hats for a bit of camber. and whiteline adjustable ball joints for fine tuning the alignment
When lowering these cars do you advise in aftermarket rear sway links and front sway bar links?
The other items you have pictured for your suspension upgrades etc. How "necessary" are those items? I may end up putting in lowering springs and if I do go that route, I'd like to get any additional upgrades (daily driver vehicle with occasional "spirited" driving at stage 2) that would be beneficial to the car/ride installed at the same time.
A lot of depends. None of them are 100% necessary. It’s more like what do I want from the suspension. In many cases a mild drop can be springs only no prob.
4:10 I only replace hardware if its already supplied with the new part, if it's a thing that breaks after getting it out and its cheap enough (like cotter pins) and if (in the case of fasteners) are torque to yield, made of aluminum or are very old and rusty. Other than that, i reuse the hardware and never had a problem.
What size is that special socket that goes on the top of the strut. Which allows you to get a ratchet in there at the same time. I need to order one but don’t wanna buy a whole set.
How do I get the spring tool .
I’ve asked before,but I need help on a 2001 vw cabrio.. if you could please help on the engine bay wiring harness and fuse box.
What is it you’re looking for? I’d recommend a Bentley manual if you need wiring diagrams
I need to do springs on my other car. That compressor was pretty nifty. Do you have a link for it?
amzn.to/3NVVA9V this is pretty close to what I have. The one I have is $$$$$$$
Awesome vid. I would have just gone with 034 lowering springs. The drop isn’t crazy and i read the same about a lot of adjustable springs have that dumb design.
They are still working on their MK8 springs. I Will be testing those later this year
torque trans axle nuts?
What to do when you have dampening lvl sensor error that won’t go away after reinstalling stock suspension?
Wouid you say the MSS kit wouid have the same issues with not being able to adjust on the car?
The owner of bmp tuning offered to send me his old kit. I think it’s basically the same.
Do you still need to run the basic settings for DCC and headlights if you change the whole shock absorber with an aftermarket one which is DCC compatible? (e.g. Bilstein B16 Damptronic, KW V3 DCC)
I’d assume so. But I dont know for sure. I’m going to try and get clarity from KW
PS I really liked your spring compressor
Give me the original R the MK4 R32 no fuss no muss. I want to drive the car not the other way around. Nice video as usual.
Bring back the VR6!
As the owner of a mk4 R32 I TOTALLY get what you are saying! That said, this car is freaking incredible.
For the pre and post measuring of body height, if you use the floor for measuring, then you can use the centre of the wheel to make sure you are as close as possible to the center of the wheel, no tape or marks necessary.
1: Car flat and level
2: Place tape measure hook at centre of contact point of wheel and floor
3: line up edge of tape with centre of wheel
4: Record measurement
5: Lower car
6: Rinse and repeat
Are those adjustable springs better to use with the ACC system than standard lowering springs? That is a ton of work for tiny adjustments.
Not really in my opinion
How come you haven’t swapped out the tail lights for the IQ versions? The US spec taillights make it look like a Tiguan
Coding is way different than mk7
Thought you would have replaced the rear upper mounts too. The 034 feel far more secure than the OEM.
CHARLES please can you explain to me why impact gun destroys shock absorber? I didn't knew that.
It can spin the center shaft and damage the seals inside the shock
@@HumbleMechanic Ok I understand. Thank you.
Random question. Is there a way to replace the "R" plate of the caliper? Mine got scratched up for some reason. I've seen replacement plates for previous gen Rs which made me curious. Or is the only way is to replace the whole dang caliper? Lol
It’s a separate cover. Should be available from the dealer
Ayyy fletch’s Mk3 made it into the video 👀
Does anyone have a link for that spring compressor?
I don’t think this one is available any more. When I get home I’ll see if I can find something simt
What spring compressor is that? Yeah these adj springs are not cool!
Hello charles
Do you think is possible to fit 4g63 on a golf 5
100% I do, and I want you to do it. I had a 91 GSX Such a fun car
@@HumbleMechanic Cool thank you very much
My engine is from an 92 1gen eclipse gs need to add a turbo to it and now that i have your confirmation i'll get to work and swap it
I can’t believe they actually sell this spring design
Hi Charles, i have a mk6 gti and yesterday the steering wheel became really, really hard to steer, the dashboard does not show any orange or red steering light. Have any ideas?
That’s weird! All the time hard?
@@HumbleMechanic Yes, I tried to look for info on the forums but the guys go straigt for an electric steering rack change, sadly, that job is is out of my budget this month.
That sucks. If you haven't already, I'm sure you will be hearing from ST. I hope they get their act together and redesign it. When they do it's also in their best interest to hook you up with a new kit.
LOL I doubt it. I also never heard from Miltek after the exhaust video. These companies seem to not really care. That may not be accurate, but it seems that way
The last couple seconds lol. We’ve all been there.
What is stock shock life like after this install?
Shortened for sure. I can’t say long term just yet. But anytime you modify a suspension it will shorten the life of suspension components
My biggest issue with lowering springs is the "reverse rake" effect you get with them; where the rear wheel gap is tighter than the front. I have VWR springs on my GLI and the reverse rake is something that bothers me every time I look at the car now.
IT would be good to have it even
Audi TT upper spring pads on the rear! They're much thicker and help counter that rake
Imagine showing those brakes to a technician from 15-20 years ago and telling them they're for a VW golf, lol. It's insane how massive they are considering the Golf's relatively small size and low weight.
How so it raise my 2019 golf R? Is it possible?
Tiguan springs would be the way to get that done!
Long shot of a question. If you werent to line up that notch, would that have any factor in the car sitting higher? @humblemechanic
well, I guess the good is if you want to dial things in B-16 damptronics and got rid of that wheel gap 👌
Someone needs to build theses type of spring that you can adjust while on the car 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🥃🥃wtf
love the wheels
A couple of things I noticed.
1) I would never use an adjustable collar that had set screw that set against the threads in the sleeve. This to me just bungs up the threads.
2) I was really surprised that the area of the body behind the rear fender liner did not have finish paint on it. It was just had primer. One of the things I always liked about VAG cars, is they were finish painted everywhere. Every time you took off a cover, trim etc, there was finish paint.
Not if the collar had been hardened, and the screw is soft..
@@TheNorville2 the threads are aluminium and the set screw is almoat certainly steel. This is why he said to barely tighten it at all.
@@TheNorville2 I was not talking about the screw damaging the collar, but damaging the threads on the sleeve.
Why do you have to change the rear bump stops?
Good Q. I think they are slightly longer
Need to lower my GLI
Hello, how can i contact you about the business cooperation?
Why don't they go for the lower sleeve collar like on old Skunk2 adjustable springs for the Honda/Acura. Literally same design but upside down and functional.
MY guess is the way the spring sits in the seat, you couldn't really have the adjuster there. I think a helper spring, with a mid collar would be good.
before you tighten three bolts for the rear arms, I only see you jack up to fit the bolts, then you tighten the bolts, but i do is , after put the bolts , then jack up until just the car almost want to come off the hoist, then tighten the bolts, sorry should do on a four post hoist, like alignment shop do.
The repair manual tells you to ratchet strap the car to the lift.
Seems like a set lowering spring would been a better choice than those "adjustable" ones
100%
Eibachs, the best...pro line with sway bars
Only vw would use a bolt for the axle instead of a nut. Surprised it's not sume weird fastener as well
Why do you eliminate DOT SAE FMVSS108 mandate front reflectors to make the vehicle not road legal, what's the point?
I hate how they look. Also its always off road use only. closed course, professional driver
Sorry for the lack of results, what you experienced illustrates why my 911 is 99.9% stock (exception is I installed a factory-sourced center front radiator that the car was designed to accept from the git go). My thought is that my car has limits that are WAY beyond my reach, so increasing its performance just moves the goal posts further away. You'll make it right, I have confidence in you!
Pretty early for a bent wheel, just like the prets!
I bent it at about 40 miles
Sorry this has nothing to do with this video but I watched a video that you did with a PCV valve in a 2009 VW Tiguan. You were mainly talking about the numerous ways that that particular pcv could fail and has failed. IF I HAD SOME WAY TO SHARE A PICTURE of how I found my PCV valve in my 2009 VW TIGUAN SEL 4MOTION with you, I PROMISE IT WILL BLOW YOUR MIND. I would love to share the picture with you please let me know.
Post it on Instagram and tag me is probs the best way.
I bought the H&R VTF adjustables for my Mk7.5R , I was also disappointed lmao.
Was about to go install these today, should I not?
@@Iamjim1 just go with regular lowering springs. These aren’t really adjustable unless you take them all the way off the car (fronts) and adjust them again.
Shoulda just went with some V3's and been done with it!!!
Not wanting to spend $3k on it now. I’d rather test a few other sets that are far more relatable for the average mk8 owner.
@@HumbleMechanic Golf R owners should be able to afford to not be cheap 😝
Adjustable springs????
Well Charles.. you got the blue and yellow vibe going on.. I think you're getting closer to Volvo.. haha.. I caught the last part of.. big waste of time.. I'm sorry buddy. You're a great mechanic. Have a great memorial day weekend.
Cheers my friend!
Fantastic video as always friend!!!
Now…check this out! 😳
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Always good to see you in the comments dude!
Ya not bad if your just putting in springs. But the shocks on vw arnt the greatest. The springs on my mk7 were shot after 3 years on the roads here.. and a friend replaced the shocks on her car 4 times in her gti over the years. Anyways point being just springs.. not bad. But DCC shocks and springs and extras for a regular tuner cost alot more. Like 800 per DCC shock alone. When you can get a whole set up of coilovers for 1500-2500.. maybe that way is the way to go, and keep the factory system, but theres some real cost disadvantages as well. To each their own..
looking at mcm ...
do adjustable coilovers exist that also have adaptive dampers? this way DCC cars can retain this feature. I own a 2021 GLI Autobahn.
It's interesting. So many people say that adding lowering springs on a car with DCC just defeats the purpose. If you've paid extra for a car to have a greatly engineered suspension, why are you adding springs and potentially "ruining" the car's great suspension? Not trying to start an argument, just playing devil's advocate. We can all agree that these springs were not designed to be used with these shocks, so does this setup shorten the life of them? That would be an expensive bill to replace 4 DCC shocks after a year.
Great video Charles!
I think the KW V3s but they are like $3k
@@HumbleMechanic Bilstein B16 Damptronic as well.
APR, 034, and EMD springs are all designed around the factory DCC shocks. With any of these you still feel the difference between suspension modes which is the main point of DCC, these springs only further increase the handling. As for life shortening, there's nothing particularly wide spread that reports they do. I've had 034 springs on my DCC car for 3 years now without issue.