Guess what. Your neighbors pregnancy and decisions about her pregnancy are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. THIS IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. STOP TELLING WOMEN WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR BODIES. NO one is worried about the man who got her pregnant. No recourse, no serious discussion of HIS responsibilities or obligations. All on the woman. Seriously screwed up thinking. The war on women is real.
Except for the fact that a baby is not your body it belongs to the baby that is growing inside of your body separate but dependent for oxygen rich blood.
@@yep2202 That actually makes NO sense at all. Are you saying a non viable fetus that will be stillborn should be delivered no matter what the mother's wishes are? Because that's what's happening in Texas. The woman could die from the delivery and her uterus could be damaged from the delivery. How is ANY of that pro life? Especially if she dies as a result of the delivery.
When I was a practicing RN, I worked on a gynecology unit. Ectopic pregnancy was a medical emergency. The only way to stabilize is to remove the tube and embryo. Women were admitted and sent directly to the OR. These judges have got to be held accountable for allowing their outdated perspectives on women and gender to dictate how they interpret the law.
As an operating room staff I agree with you ma’am 100%. I am in GYN service and I’m doing GYN cases every single working days. We are lucky here in Seattle because women has the right to choose of their own body. We save lots of women’s lives here from ectopic pregnancies to fetal demise. We also save babies while they are still in the uterus with our expert Fetoscopic surgeons as well as the mother’s lives. The Texas law is so horrible that a pregnant woman, her family, and her doctor can’t do what is appropriate procedure to do to save the life of the mother. I feel the pain of the mother who lost her pregnancy/baby and at the same time fighting for her life every time we have the procedure saving the mother’s life because the baby in the uterus is already dead. The Texas law is so harsh to women that they don’t care if a pregnant woman dies with the dead fetus/baby in their uterus. Washington State women are very lucky that they have the right to save their lives from deadly ectopic and fetal demise pregnancies. Thank God🙏😇
The abortion “agenda” was to be able to kill the child up to and after birth so discussing these “scenarios” is a bunch of smoke and mirrors, stop lying you pit vipers‼️👎😡
I'll stand with Whoppi all day on this issue. I don't know why people don't get that they don't get to decide what other people do. I don't tell other people what to do with their lives because it's not my business
I am pro-choice but I totally get Alyssa on this one! There should be a universal agreement on when does that fetus has rights if it does at all? The answer could be it does not have rights until it is born and it is outside my body! Fine, but then we are talking about people being able to abort at 9 months! Also if I were to stab a pregnant woman and kill her fetus, that should never be treated as murder, and no, the fact that ''she wanted to keep it'' does not change the biology of it. Is this a human being with rights or is it just a bunch of cells? There needs to be more consistency here, otherwise we look like massive hypocrites!
@@jimbob28642 No one aborts a fetus at 9 months. Unless the fetus won't survive or their are complications but it is extremely rare. No woman would go through a pregnancy that long then at 9 months suddenly decides out the blue, that she doesn't want to deliver. You prepare for the arrival long before the 9th. I wish people would stop with this narrative because it doesn't happen.
@@jimbob28642 I think the issue is this is different for every case. That's why the conversation should be between the mother and their doctor. There is no blanket answer for all cases
Whoopie is so right! I have personally seen this in action and it will always haunt me. I think that if this continues men who get a woman pregnant by rape or incest should have to have vasectomies, how about that!?
Pay close attention to what Joy said. It's become exceedingly clear this isn't actually about babies. This is about men attempting to regain control over women.
Exactly. They really want us barefoot pregnant in the kitchen. Not working, not competing with men for jobs or government. Keep us poor, keep us pregnant and quiet.
@@ricbiff3569Yes men, let's stop with ALL the unprotected sex, starting this minute. And prosecute men accordingly. Fair play and all that! However, another thing that causes the need for abortions, like the example discussed here, is a severe birth defect, medical threats to the life of the mom, and so on. Both parents AND the doctor want an abortion for medical complications. Two different moms in Ireland and Poland died excruciating deaths, because they were denied abortion care during a major pregnancy complication. Just like the TX law.
I understand what Alyssa is trying to say, but what is the point of considering viability outside of body, when an infant/ baby can't survive without a caretaker.... in those situations is the state then planing to raise all those abandoned babies?
The dark era of Trumpism and the extremism it ushered in had emboldened the radical right to barge in and force draconian laws on us that are straight outta the middle ages. VOTE 100% BLUE & 100% PRO-CHOICE 2024! 🌊
Simple, if you dont want an abortion, dont have one, your religions "values" does not concern anyone but you dont put them on everyone else just cuz you think its the "lords" word. the "pro-life" ppl are really hypocrites.
I want to applaud Sunny for coming to the realization that no matter your own personal beliefs on abortion you should not impose those on everybody else and their health, life and happiness. I also want to give a shout-out to Mama Doctor Jones who boiled this whole thing down to bodily autonomy and made a really interesting argument: You can not force a person to give an organ or blood to their child even if that child might then die as a consequence - it is not ethical to make people use their body to keep someone else alive. So why should then only a fetus have the right to use someone else's body without consent.
@@bigpapi8143 - If you want to risk getting COVID, too bad for you. Good luck dealing w it. MILLIONS of anti-vaxxers didn't make it. Just don't spread it to any others, like Typhoid Mary. Pregnancy is not a communicable disease. Nobody is demanding an abortion mandate. Only the radical right is demanding the OPPOSITE. Big difference, as you can see. Freedom vs tyranny. ✌
Sure Papi. You go ahead and do what you wanna do with your own body on your own property. But if you wanna get on a plane? If you wanna be out in public spaces impacting the lives of others, it's entirely consistent to say you must grow up and take your vitamins.
@@jthomasmack Irrelevant when that “vaccine” has no effect on whether you can catch and/or transfer that virus. The fact that some of you people STILL don’t understand that 3 years later is amazing! 🤦🏾♂️
Stabilize? How on earth can a doctor stabilize a mother who’s bleeding internally? Where is the common sense?? These politicians and judges are out of their minds!
I love how all these right wing judges and paid Fox 'news' political hacks are also suddenly doctors and nurses. I wouldn't let any of those clueless bozos put a bandage on my pinky finger after a rose thorn! 😂🤣🤡
Thank God I’m NOT a woman. I can’t imagine the government telling me what I can do with my body and that if I get pregnant, even by rape, that the life I carry comes before my own - even if it dies inside of me or is deformed, I still have to carry it. That’s crazy! I’m a Christian but even as a kid I didn’t believe in everything that my family believed. I’m grown. I get to decide what’s best for me. Others are free to have their opinions but in America their opinions are just that - theirs, not mine and not the law.
Yeah but if you get on your high horse and say you will never accept less, then the conversation is over... it deadlocks to topic. There seems like there could be middle ground on this issue.
@@snomort77 there is a middle ground, nobody is going around forcing anyone to have an abortion now give the same respect the other way and don't force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. If you want a middle ground then the pro choice people would have to retreat to a similar filthy disgusting inhumane stance the forced birth are standing at currently. then we can go to the middle ground which is where the pro choice people currently are.
But it seems that Whoopi believes that the viability of the fetus is irrelevant. Basically, she seems to be saying, for example, if a woman wants to have an abortion of a perfectly healthy fetus 8 months into her pregnancy for any reason whatsoever, she should be able to legally do so. My guess is you would find few pro-choice proponents (as I am) that would agree with that extreme definition of abortion rights.
I've said many times that I am afraid of the mental implications of this. How cruel can you be to force a woman to birth a baby that she wanted but was not going to live? You're telling me that a woman is not going to lose their mind after that?
Government needs to butt out of people's reproductive health care! That is a private matter between an individual, their doctor, and their God. Plus, if a fetus cannot survive without being attached to a womb, then it is not a baby.
I still don’t understand why we have to bend to a Republican belief bc THEY think it’s the right thing. Why are we bending over to a religious point of view? Just absurd.
I agree, just like liberals demanding everyone bends to their absurd belief that there's more than two genders and you can identify as a wolf or the soul of a star. Glad we agree!
Understand what your saying, but I also don't understand why on some issues we have to bed to the Dem's choices. I really wish both sides of the fence would agree on something and stop fighting about everything .
@@MatthewsFav all democrats want is what’s best for everyone though. You DONT want an abortion? Don’t get one, don’t tell me what to do because your bible said so, my bible said differently but I don’t care what you do with your own body.
They don't care. It will have to go back to the Supreme Court after a family sues because their daughter or wife has died. A biased Supreme Court who has members taking support from billionaires. Republicans quote the Bible but ignore Jesus's words that there should be a separation of Church and State. The GOP is focused on retaining power and has let their religious extremists make decisions that have states functioning just like the Taliban.
How would a doctor stabilize an ectopic pregnancy to keep a woman from dying? I would love the law makers in Texas to explain that to me.🤔😲 They have set back life in the US ten steps backwards. What a stress ❗️ 😩
That's just crazy. Imagine your pregnancy is creating a life and death situation and the hospital by law is not allowed to do anything but stablize you. So what are you going to do put her in a coma to prevent further damage?? America as a first world country with 3rd world issues is DISAPPOINTING overall!
except it's not, because in Jamaica (the 3rd world as y'all like to refer to), where I am from, there is not a question in any doctor's mind about denying or delaying treatment in the case of a medical emergency that IS an ectopic pregnancy
Trumpublican anti-choice extremists said they were going to 'take back America'. They packed the court and succeeded! They took us back to the MIDDLE AGES! The rest of the western world is in the early part of the 21st century. The USA going back to the days of witch trials and religious state based inquisitions. Ready to VOTE 100% BLUE YET?! I can't wait until November! 🌊= BLUE WAVE 2024!
Tell me what rights a fetus is able to exercise in or out of the womb. Can it vote? Can it pay taxes? Can it protest? Can it carry arms? The whole viability thing is such a joke. Especially when the life and wellbeing of the woman is never in consideration
@@kevin20048 a five year old can breathe and feeed itself, any person can look after that child. If you want a fetus removed from a pregnant woman and given to you to care for, go for it but to tell her she has to have it growing in her body against her will makes you disgustingly evil.
I thought black lives matter. They support black lives matter,but do black babies in womb matter? No, I guess when it came to abortion ,they don't think black babies in womb matter.
@@incognitofelon in case your memory is dim, many in jobs were fired as well as military personnel, many of these people had families to support, are you going to spend your whole life in denial and/or ignorance? Your “incognitofelon” tells me everything that I need to know!
@@lovespurpleflowers An employer can demand you to do anything related to health and safety. It can ask you to take a health exam, drug test, wear equipment etc. As you know, employment in the US is at will. You don't like it, you have the option to quit. That's not a policy regulation that you can categorize as "mandatory vaccination".
I had two atopic pregnancies, and both times it was awful, and in order for a baby to survive the mother has to survive, but in this case, the mother can’t survive because she’s bleeding eternally this was the most excruciating pain I’ve ever been through. It was worse than childbirth. There is no way the baby can survive, this is ridiculous. Invite me on your show. I will talk about it.
The pregnant women affected by this need to sue the state for attempted murder of the mothers. Sue the AG, the Gov., anyone who is denying them access to life saving care.
@@marychisenwa-pm7nd then nothing gets done. Pro-choice folks want a law to Codify their right to abort baby… compromise is the only way. You shut it down, then nothing will be done and everyone continues to suffer.
Agh. I cannot stand Alyssa on this issue. The overturning of Roe has shown us how exceptions don't work. Trusting women to decide when an abortion is the right choice worked just fine for 30+ years. And she's being intentionally obtuse when Whoopi says "it's not your business." It doesn't matter if technology lowers the point at which a fetus is viable. If I don't believe a fetus is a human being, at 12 weeks for example, I should have the right to decide if I want an abortion. It doesn't matter what technological advances can do.
In fairness, I don’t think a 15 week fetus will ever be viable. The lungs and brain aren’t fully developed. The skin is basically tissue paper. They are only about 4-6.5 inches long. How would you safely get a fetus from the human womb to an artificial womb? There are no tubes that will fit, nor ventilators that would work nor even the ability to find veins. This is where an understanding of fetal development and preemie parents sharing real pictures of what extremely premature infants look like is so important. Anti-abortion literature lies about what they look like. My older son was born at 29 weeks/1 day. His foot was as long as my pinky. He was covered in languno because he wasn’t far enough along to have enough body fat to regulate his own temperature. And he weighed 2 pounds 4.7 ounces and was 14 inches long. Even getting tubes in him was a struggle and he was definitely viable. There was a baby born the same day as he was who was 25 weeks. That baby was barely a pound. People just have no idea unless they’ve seen it first hand.
And VIABILITY means that it can be kept alive due to medical intervention? It used to mean, viable without medical intervention. Babies born too soon suffer long-term problems, blindness, deafness, and severe learning disabilities, and who is going to provide care for this viable life? More in line with GOP thinking, who's going to pay for the care of this viable life? Because, if you "save" a life simply because medical technology is capable of doing it who's going to pay for the round-the-clock care a life like this is going to require? Who's going to care for the life that was viable because technology makes it so? If technology is all that matters, what about prolonging life? Brain-dead people can be kept alive by technology. They aren't viable once the machine is turned off. None of this makes sense! The GOP has always wanted to push its religious standards on everyone else. I'm a Christian but not a Republican. Why? Because the GOP speaks out of both sides of its head, it's pro-life unless a court decides that the death penalty is appropriate. They'll give cancer treatments to an inmate with a death sentence just so THEY have the power to decide when & how that inmate is going to die. IT MAKES NO SENSE! They're anti-divorce except when it comes to who they nominate and elect for President. They voted for and still support a rapist for President. The criminal statute expired, but the judge in E. Jean Carroll's case called Trump a rapist. His money kept him from facing criminal charges back then. He's trying desperately to use what money he has left to stay out of jail again. The GOP doesn't practice what it preaches!
@@robinaddis-vaughn7271 YES!!!!! 👏 👏 I completely agree! It drives me nuts when I hear conservatives touting the latest micropreemie who survived and they completely ignore the breathing tube still very much present in the photos at one year or the update that includes all the therapies or diagnosis of cerebral palsy or whatever. Who is paying for that? What about quality of life of the child? If you’re going to push for extreme viability and efforts to save the baby then you need to be willing to support the parents through support of services, being ok with higher insurance costs- or better yet universal healthcare! 😉- etc. Because that’s pro-life. That’s acknowledging the cost of the decision and being willing to follow through. I’m a Christian too and I just can’t stand the conservative messaging on this! My older son was born at 29 weeks. I will NEVER forget the frank conversation we had with the neonatologist prior to his birth. If you want to be scared s--less about your child’s future health and success, sit through one of those. We were told his percentage of survival for his gestational age, that he may have learning disabilities, lifelong breathing issues, vision problems, that he could develop brain bleeds or NEC- an awful gastrointestinal condition preemies can get- and all manner of horrors. It was terrifying. But she wanted us to know. Even though his gestational age meant he was able to be saved, she felt it was necessary to give us the full picture. Thankfully he’s had a fabulous outcome and is now in the gifted program at school but I am fully aware that “there but for the grace of God” fully applies to us. I cannot imagine the conversation the woman whose baby was born at 25 weeks two hours after my son had with the neonatologist. With preemies every week before 32 weeks counts in leaps and bounds. And the outcomes at 25 weeks are far more grim than 29 weeks. That doesn’t mean both babies can’t survive without issue, but it means you’re starting from different places. People just don’t understand how fraught the NICU is and how a fetus develops. They don’t come out at even 29 weeks with fully developed lungs looking like a full term newborn. In the case of my son, they look like red aliens or red wrinkly old men with barely any fat and skin so thin it bruises easily from the constant poking. I wish the reality was shared more so people understood. The success stories pre-24 weeks are newsworthy because they’re so rare, not because they’re the norm.
Omg you are so right! Alyssa is missing the point. Viability cannot be an issue if no one is AWARE except the patient and their physician. It is a PRIVATE HEALTH MATTER.
@@JamesMoritz-f6l It doesn't matter. They have no right to the private health information of any one. Therefore, don't concern yourself with what you don't know.
I'm pro-choice but you people are totally missing her point and its so clear. Geez! Read this carefully: It is indeed the job of the government to protect the life of its citizens. That includes babies and near babies born within the US. The "viable fetus" Alyssa is referring to is a human life that is NO LONGER dependent on the mother because it can survive outside of the womb. What Alyssa is saying is that there should be a conversation about the rights of that particular fetus that is now an independent human life. I would agree and I think she does too, that there should be NO govt involvement regarding the life of a zygote or embryo that is totally dependent on the mother. That would be between mother and doctor because its part of her body at that point.
The control of a woman’s body is key here. We can argue the finer points of what arises in court decisions but in the end it’s the slavery-control of women’s bodies.
Women still have choices in the matter, 1. who they lay with, 2. What age they decide to be intimate 3.whether or not to use some sort of control, 4. get married first 5. Remaining celibacy if none of those choices are viable then there's always plan B.
@@rockonwink Nope. You take away ANY right, it is enslavement. Plain and simple. Politicians making medical decisions is like asking your hairdresser to be an architect.
@8:25. Alyssa being a conservative fool saying it’s a HIPAA issue 😂 The only people who can violate hipaa privacy laws are medical professionals who are hipaa trained and certified, and she jumped from moral grandstanding to privacy concerns?
I'm 100% with Whoopi on this. Alyssa's poking her nose in other people's business and Sara (for all her agreeing _philosophically_ with Whoopi) is giving Alyssa's stance oxygen. Sometimes there's no middle ground - you're either controlling women's bodies or you're not.
Everyone at the table did. Alyssa brought up a question that I think in our lifetime will be asked by lawmakers, it’s just how it is. The RIGHT laws need to be put in place. Sara explained it perfectly on how to do that.
If I was young I would never live in one of these states! Move young people move! When they no longer have all these young people to control it will change.
i don't understand how this isn't a violation of HIPPA. these politicians should be sued for invasion of medical privacy! i work in the medical field on the clerical side, and if i were to release any medical information or records without the patient's consent, I GET FIRED!!! and that patient can sue the establishment.
If you are against abortion - don't have one. Governments job is to pass legislation that makes health care safe, legal and available for all women. Don't want birth control, don't use it. Don't want an abortion, don't have one.
What Alyssa doesn’t is understand that there is no “We” in discussing when it comes to a viable time to decide as to when a pregnancy is considered outside the body that has rights. Once again this is between the a husband or partner, the God they or may not serve and the doctor. For those who have religious belief about abortion, God as gave free will so why is this not considered when a woman is making a very difficult choice in her life. Free will is not a twice side can true at the same time issue it , you have free will and she has free will and will be or not judge for the choose she makes.
Whoopi is correct, it's always been said my body my choice,no one shoved it down our throats,we as women make the choice to lay down with someone so we should have that right without criticism to make our own choices, being a child of sex abuse by her father, I would have wanted the choice to make that decision that I didn't want a child that was from being raped by her father or any rape for that matter,God will judge you not society,man cannot control us women,just like we cannot control man's erictile disfuction, just zip it up n put it away ,life is not about sex but about living the best life you can by treating others with respect n as human beings not a trophy on a pedestal , sorry I babble but I feel strong about this, women stand up for each other,good bad n ugly we need to stand together,stay strong 💪
@@hartubmoses6645 your correct on that point,rape or being forced to have sex with someone is a different answer, that's why I spoke on the rape as a child ,but women who make the decision to have sex without protection n end up getting pregnant should not be able to just have an abortion because they didn't want a child n before you say anything about medical reasons, I agree that an abortion would be the right way to go in order to save a life either way, mother or child,but you should agree there are women who abuse that right to abort a child simply because she doesn't want a child or because she had a fling ,that makes it harder for someone that needs real medical attention
You have no idea what all women go through in their lives and no laws should be made against them based on those that has "flings". Some women don't have control over whether they want to have sex or not, some men have complete control over them and any contraceptives they might use; some husbands rape their wives. If society and you cannot or will not control men penises, which I seriously doubt they would stand for, then they should not control women's body. Women's womb does not, should not belong to the State, any State. If you want others to control you, that's your privilege, but don't include all women in your quest to be dominated.
@@claudettew1499 Do you know 50% of abortions are from teenagers? Also I think God is more loving and forgiving then you know. Do you think God didn't expect that abortions would happen? God controls and makes life. If lets us make the choice. Only he can judge. Because only He knows our hearts and minds.
@@kellharris2491 I don't think I implied what your saying,wrong judgement on me I would say,yes God our Lord Jesus has the final say n judgement, I think my faith is in good condition with God 💙🙏
Texass is 1 of the worst states in this country. Abbott should be removed for all that he's been doing. Where did he get money to ship people out????? He mis used funds from other sources, is that against the law?????
The part that I don’t understand from this is that if the mother is at risk of death, so is that baby/fetus… so aren’t you just killing that baby/fetus anyways???
We need to change the terminology now in medical settings. I had a missed miscarriage, which was devastating to me and my husband but because they label it as a missed abortion, one question I had to ask was if i would be in trouble legally. That shouldnt be a question a mother has to ask right after hearing their baby stopped growing. 😕
I don’t think I’ll consider myself pro life since I do want the choice up until 15 weeks, no more. However, this Texas decision is just pure evil. It’s up to the person to decide whether to continue the pregnancy when their life is at risk.
Agreed. If you go by the Bible, it says that a woman's life should be preserved even at the loss of an unborn child. To subject a family to the death of a women because she is pregnant is, indeed, pure evil.
The fetus is not viable until 20 weeks+. We were expecting twins and the water broke for one of them at 18 weeks, so we had to abort the other. The lungs were not developed, as well as several other organs. The threat of sepsis to my wife was very real had we not ended the pregnancy. Anyone aborting after 15 weeks is doing so out of health and only needs medical advice doesn't benefit from legal or religious dogma.
@TheYabbayoo So sorry for your loss. And 100% correct. Don't you love laws and comments from ignorants who know nothing about birth, but think they can influence major decisions in your personal life....?
Sometimes life threatening abnormalities don't appear until the 20 week scan, or even in rare cases 31 weeks. NOBODY has a late term abortion because they changed their minds. These are wanted pregnancies when something went horribly wrong. Do not fall for pro-life propaganda.
So if a woman dies due to a dangerous pregnancy, can judges and politicians be sued for murder. The oath the doctors take to keep everyone's medical info private doesn't count anymore. I wonder what would happen if these politicians daughter's were in the same situation, would they secretly seek out a private abortion. Every life is precious but a grown womans life is more precious.
Honestly, that's where I'm at with this. Can you sue the Governor for assault if you lose the ability to have future children over this? I guess enough women haven't died from this yet for the anti-choice side to see how misguided these decisions are. And even then, it would probably have to be married moms who leave widowed husbands and children behind, because who cares if this is happening to single women. They shouldn't be having sex outside of marriage anyway (eyeroll).
@frankwest8041 when the doctors find something very wrong which the mother or baby then it is not your or the government decision to carry a dead or dying child ! I had a friend who had the baby die at 7 month and the had to take it out , it would have killed her !
Wanting to ban emergency abortions is the same as wanting to ban emergency life saving heart attacks,strokes,and the like. What life saving emergency medical procedures and surgeries does some courts in America care to ban next?? Maybe the ones that will be working on someone's liver?
Alyssa is the truest Republican. It does not matter to her until it touches her directly. THEN she cares. She will grand stand on anything.. until it touches HER. Shame on you, Alyssa.
I find it absurd that Alyssa brings up the ethical and moral dilemma about abortion, but seems to be just fine with it not being an issue when Palestinian babies/children are being slaughtered. Who were living whole full human lives. Where’s her outrage and moral concern with that. I swear some don’t even realize how they talk out both sides of their mouth 😡.
As a life long Texan trust me when I say that they know it's wrong but will double down just to spite those people saying otherwise. They'll propose jail time as the next step.
These Texans tho🙄 -you know it's REALLY bad when Texas makes Florida look good for an entire month..😏 These young women today need to put their judgemental Bibles aside & pick up a women's health or medical journal & get with the program💯 I will always vote for women's causes because we need to stick together; having been a minority in this country our entire lives; once considered PROPERTY of our husbands, you'd think they'd be the first ones in line to ensure their personal freedoms that our mother's,aunts & sisters fought for back in the 70's🤷♀️ I'm flabbergasted astounded and gobsmacked by the sheer fact that ANY women today could POSSIBLY think her private life deserves scrutiny from strangers or that her pleasures depend upon the permission of others... Utterly astonished we're even having this conversation in 2024; unfrickinbelievable...😑 js
I am a doctor and I am very uncomfortable with the idea of “medical exceptions” - as shown by the case of a mother with a foetus having trisomy 18, lower court said she met the threshold of her life and well-being being at risk but it was repealed by a higher court. Law acts in years and months. Pregnancies act in days and weeks, and especially for dying foetuses and life threatening pregnancies, that is a matter of hours/sometimes minutes. Medical exceptions do NOT work - especially with the threat of 99 years in prison. Doctors are not fortune tellers and superhuman - we try to make the best clinical decision for the patient’s best interest and safety but this will not happen if a doctor has the threat of 99 years in prison. Saying excemption begets the question of how much of a degree does a mother’s life have to be in danger? Those questions should be for doctors and patients not for law and fickle politicians who are the pockets of corporations as opposed to the people.
1985 my first pregnancy, Dr asked my husband, save the wife or the baby, hubby, said the wife, Texas ladies you won’t be saved you better not get pregnant, IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU!
I agree with Whoopi wholeheartedly on this. It seems that there is only a need for respect of people's views on one side. No one is forced to get an abortion...you can make this decision based on your own personal views that respect needs to be across the board.
Abortion upto and beyond 9 months is not acceptable or allowed in any country, which is what was happening in USA. That is why Roe v Wade was cancelled. The abortion time limit is 23 weeks 6 days in UK and often shorter in Europe.
Can I get abortion in Texas if I have a life-threatening pregnancy? Yes. Texas’ ban on abortion makes exceptions for cases in which an abortion would save the pregnant patient’s life or prevent “substantial impairment of major bodily function.”
My Grandma almost died 59 years ago due to an unsterilised instrument in a backyard termination. Why in 2024 is this being visited upon Women who are at the Mercy of Men. Get your rosary of my ovaries. If this were a Male issue this would not still be on the docket. During my University days 3 of my friends discovered they were pregnant and all three had abortions in a private hospital as their family were able to afford the proper care. ❤ Australia
This happened to me in 2020. I live in Dallas Texas and had an emergency dnc that saved my life in 2020 after starting a later in pregnancy miscarriage. I drove an hour from my home to my on office bleeding so profoundly that I could have passed out if I had not made it in time. I had no other choice but to have an emergency DNC. My wife and I were planning to try again this year and now, I doubt it because if I end up in the same situation I will die! So upset about this I don’t even know what to do
So health insurance have to change within the Texas laws? Because the Texas laws may contradict what your insurance plan is. The only way I would live in Texas as a woman if I had a hysterectomy.
The problem is that they give these "men" power over what a woman can and can not do with their bodies. A man does not know what a woman goes through, so they shouldn't have any say!!!
Alyssa thinks we don't see her point but she doesn't get that her point is irrelevant. We simply DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ANOTHER PERSON'S PREGNANCY. You have ZERO input. Go cry and pray about it. Full stop.
I have a role at my company that is unique. I recently had a male manager and a male boss make a decision regarding the process of how to do my job without consulting me. When I went up to them and told them that process wouldn’t work (because I was the person who had the experience to determine that), they ended up realizing that I was going to be the one most affected by their decision, so they changed it to fit what I wanted. I am glad that they did, but I can’t help but be baffled that these two men thought they were qualified to make a decision about something that would only impact MY life without even asking me for my input or feedback. It’s literally insane how people in power think. They make decisions just because they can. They are hardly ever informed decisions and you’ll be lucky to be a woman who is granted a seat at the table making decisions about your own life.
I tend to agree with you on this, I have a female supervisor making my work load double by making the decision on how to do my job without her consulting me.
When viability is mentioned, no one mentions the elephant in the room- healthcare costs. Do you know how expensive it is for a healthy, 40 week to term baby to be born in a hospital? Now, imagine that baby is born at 24 weeks. That child will have to stay in a hospital's neo natal unit for weeks. Who's paying for all that? The patient? The insurance company? The hospital? Every future patient of that hospital, and that insurance company? And what happens after the baby leaves the hospital? That baby will not be 100% healthy. How many Americans are receiving disability benefits because they weren't born healthy, at full term? It sounds cold, heartless. But, it's an important issue in this debate that is never mentioned.
Yup. My older son was born at 29 weeks. My husband said that he saw his medical bill at one point and it was a million dollars pre insurance payment. And that’s a baby that had relatively few complications and left the NICU 3 weeks before his due date. Imagine the cost for a brain bleed or NEC or continued respiratory care. Some babies can spend almost a year or more in the NICU. Who is paying for that? I’m not saying we shouldn’t save babies that can be saved, I’m saying there’s a cost and it doesn’t end when the baby goes home. Even my son needed occupational and physical therapy for the first three years. Some babies go home on oxygen or feeding tubes or need therapy for years after. And often those are the ones born before 27/28 weeks.
Guess what. Your neighbors pregnancy and decisions about her pregnancy are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. THIS IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. STOP TELLING WOMEN WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR BODIES. NO one is worried about the man who got her pregnant. No recourse, no serious discussion of HIS responsibilities or obligations. All on the woman. Seriously screwed up thinking. The war on women is real.
Well said
Except for the fact that a baby is not your body it belongs to the baby that is growing inside of your body separate but dependent for oxygen rich blood.
@@yep2202this comment makes no sense but go off
@@yep2202 That actually makes NO sense at all. Are you saying a non viable fetus that will be stillborn should be delivered no matter what the mother's wishes are? Because that's what's happening in Texas. The woman could die from the delivery and her uterus could be damaged from the delivery. How is ANY of that pro life? Especially if she dies as a result of the delivery.
@@yep2202 are you really that dense! That’s a rhetorical question by the way.
When I was a practicing RN, I worked on a gynecology unit. Ectopic pregnancy was a medical emergency. The only way to stabilize is to remove the tube and embryo. Women were admitted and sent directly to the OR. These judges have got to be held accountable for allowing their outdated perspectives on women and gender to dictate how they interpret the law.
Why aren’t Doctors speaking up then?!
These idiots with their bans don’t care that ectopic pregnancies aren’t viable. It’s not that don’t understand, they don’t care.
@@susisiebert5942 They're afraid of losing their jobs.
As an operating room staff I agree with you ma’am 100%. I am in GYN service and I’m doing GYN cases every single working days. We are lucky here in Seattle because women has the right to choose of their own body. We save lots of women’s lives here from ectopic pregnancies to fetal demise. We also save babies while they are still in the uterus with our expert Fetoscopic surgeons as well as the mother’s lives. The Texas law is so horrible that a pregnant woman, her family, and her doctor can’t do what is appropriate procedure to do to save the life of the mother. I feel the pain of the mother who lost her pregnancy/baby and at the same time fighting for her life every time we have the procedure saving the mother’s life because the baby in the uterus is already dead. The Texas law is so harsh to women that they don’t care if a pregnant woman dies with the dead fetus/baby in their uterus.
Washington State women are very lucky that they have the right to save their lives from deadly ectopic and fetal demise pregnancies. Thank God🙏😇
The abortion “agenda” was to be able to kill the child up to and after birth so discussing these “scenarios” is a bunch of smoke and mirrors, stop lying you pit vipers‼️👎😡
I'll stand with Whoppi all day on this issue. I don't know why people don't get that they don't get to decide what other people do. I don't tell other people what to do with their lives because it's not my business
TELL that to the transphobics homophobics LOUDLY stop using RELIGION as a HATE BIGOTRY IS DISGUSTING
Thank you.
I am pro-choice but I totally get Alyssa on this one! There should be a universal agreement on when does that fetus has rights if it does at all? The answer could be it does not have rights until it is born and it is outside my body! Fine, but then we are talking about people being able to abort at 9 months! Also if I were to stab a pregnant woman and kill her fetus, that should never be treated as murder, and no, the fact that ''she wanted to keep it'' does not change the biology of it. Is this a human being with rights or is it just a bunch of cells? There needs to be more consistency here, otherwise we look like massive hypocrites!
@@jimbob28642 No one aborts a fetus at 9 months. Unless the fetus won't survive or their are complications but it is extremely rare. No woman would go through a pregnancy that long then at 9 months suddenly decides out the blue, that she doesn't want to deliver. You prepare for the arrival long before the 9th. I wish people would stop with this narrative because it doesn't happen.
@@jimbob28642 I think the issue is this is different for every case. That's why the conversation should be between the mother and their doctor. There is no blanket answer for all cases
Whoopie is so right! I have personally seen this in action and it will always haunt me.
I think that if this continues men who get a woman pregnant by rape or incest should have to have vasectomies, how about that!?
Yes. The answer is yes. Also they should get longer prison sentences
SURE..............4,5,6 months pregnant........it's ok because you want it?..............WRONG WHOOPI
I personally vote for castration but yeah sure whatever works
Agree
Pay close attention to what Joy said. It's become exceedingly clear this isn't actually about babies. This is about men attempting to regain control over women.
Women can't have it all...that's a myth. The one thing that causes abortion is unprotected sex with a man. Maybe stop with all the sex?
It's misogyny.
Always!
Exactly. They really want us barefoot pregnant in the kitchen. Not working, not competing with men for jobs or government. Keep us poor, keep us pregnant and quiet.
@@ricbiff3569Yes men, let's stop with ALL the unprotected sex, starting this minute. And prosecute men accordingly. Fair play and all that!
However, another thing that causes the need for abortions, like the example discussed here, is a severe birth defect, medical threats to the life of the mom, and so on. Both parents AND the doctor want an abortion for medical complications. Two different moms in Ireland and Poland died excruciating deaths, because they were denied abortion care during a major pregnancy complication. Just like the TX law.
I understand what Alyssa is trying to say, but what is the point of considering viability outside of body, when an infant/ baby can't survive without a caretaker.... in those situations is the state then planing to raise all those abandoned babies?
Exactly.
It's about the power and the grandstanding from the Republicans.
I don't understand anything Alyssa is saying, except that she believes the government SHOULD have the right to tell women regarding their own body.
That's a good point
Well said!
At this point, we need to stop calling it the pro- life movement, because saving lives is obviously not the priority.
They are trying to change it themselves to pro baby lol .
Agreed. “Forced-birth” is more accurate.
Good point. They should instead call it anti-women.
I call it, Taliban extreme values.
@@eliassalcedo5229absolutely that’s exactly what it is it’s disgusting!!!!! Using their toxic masculinity to push this agenda
What world are we living in when a woman is BANNED from getting emergency medical care??!?
Very scary. This is America supposedly the best country in the world
We're heading to the reality of The Handmaid's Tale. Scary.
A communist and fascist country. Which is what the RepubliCOMMIE Party now stands for.
We’ve been in that way for a long time in this country. It just wasn’t evident to ppl with good insurance. It’s just way more blatant now.
The dark era of Trumpism and the extremism it ushered in had emboldened the radical right to barge in and force draconian laws on us that are straight outta the middle ages. VOTE 100% BLUE & 100% PRO-CHOICE 2024! 🌊
Simple, if you dont want an abortion, dont have one, your religions "values" does not concern anyone but you dont put them on everyone else just cuz you think its the "lords" word. the "pro-life" ppl are really hypocrites.
I want to applaud Sunny for coming to the realization that no matter your own personal beliefs on abortion you should not impose those on everybody else and their health, life and happiness.
I also want to give a shout-out to Mama Doctor Jones who boiled this whole thing down to bodily autonomy and made a really interesting argument: You can not force a person to give an organ or blood to their child even if that child might then die as a consequence - it is not ethical to make people use their body to keep someone else alive.
So why should then only a fetus have the right to use someone else's body without consent.
what was your view on the vaccine mandate ? My body my choice , gov. cant tell me what to do with my body!
@@bigpapi8143 - If you want to risk getting COVID, too bad for you. Good luck dealing w it. MILLIONS of anti-vaxxers didn't make it. Just don't spread it to any others, like Typhoid Mary. Pregnancy is not a communicable disease. Nobody is demanding an abortion mandate. Only the radical right is demanding the OPPOSITE. Big difference, as you can see. Freedom vs tyranny. ✌
Sure Papi. You go ahead and do what you wanna do with your own body on your own property. But if you wanna get on a plane? If you wanna be out in public spaces impacting the lives of others, it's entirely consistent to say you must grow up and take your vitamins.
@@bigpapi8143were you forced to get a vaccine? 😮
Sunny has understood how precious women are and life is precious
If a woman does not believe in an abortion… Don’t get one. It’s that simple. 🙄
Like if someone doesn’t want a vaccine?
@@bonanimathambo8721pregnancy isn't contagious.
Viral disease is.
@@jthomasmack Irrelevant when that “vaccine” has no effect on whether you can catch and/or transfer that virus.
The fact that some of you people STILL don’t understand that 3 years later is amazing! 🤦🏾♂️
Same with if you don’t believe in same sex marriage, don’t get one.
Life or death situation???
Beautifully said, Whoopi!
Absolutely agree 💯 👍
High five to Whoppie...She has it 100% correct. If I was a female I'd be FURIOUS!! Vote these SOBS out!!
Absolutely.. Whoopee is correct.. My life.. My rights
Stabilize? How on earth can a doctor stabilize a mother who’s bleeding internally? Where is the common sense?? These politicians and judges are out of their minds!
Right
I love how all these right wing judges and paid Fox 'news' political hacks are also suddenly doctors and nurses. I wouldn't let any of those clueless bozos put a bandage on my pinky finger after a rose thorn! 😂🤣🤡
I don't have uterus but the it sounds ridiculous
They have no medical physician degrees so they should STFU
Thank God I’m NOT a woman. I can’t imagine the government telling me what I can do with my body and that if I get pregnant, even by rape, that the life I carry comes before my own - even if it dies inside of me or is deformed, I still have to carry it. That’s crazy! I’m a Christian but even as a kid I didn’t believe in everything that my family believed. I’m grown. I get to decide what’s best for me. Others are free to have their opinions but in America their opinions are just that - theirs, not mine and not the law.
Thank you for that! It's really nice to see a man expressing that supportive opinion.
You don't have to be a woman now. Apparently even men can get pregnant now according to these cackling hens.
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Hate to break it to you but there are many laws telling you what you can and can't do with your body 🤷♀️
This country no longer stands on the words home of the free since there are people that are becoming dictorial
I agree with Whoopi 100% !!!!!
I don't...
Yeah but if you get on your high horse and say you will never accept less, then the conversation is over... it deadlocks to topic. There seems like there could be middle ground on this issue.
@@snomort77 there is a middle ground, nobody is going around forcing anyone to have an abortion now give the same respect the other way and don't force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term.
If you want a middle ground then the pro choice people would have to retreat to a similar filthy disgusting inhumane stance the forced birth are standing at currently. then we can go to the middle ground which is where the pro choice people currently are.
@@vincentbaca790So what's your take on it?
But it seems that Whoopi believes that the viability of the fetus is irrelevant. Basically, she seems to be saying, for example, if a woman wants to have an abortion of a perfectly healthy fetus 8 months into her pregnancy for any reason whatsoever, she should be able to legally do so. My guess is you would find few pro-choice proponents (as I am) that would agree with that extreme definition of abortion rights.
This definitely is a power play. Our women and children deserve better.
I've said many times that I am afraid of the mental implications of this. How cruel can you be to force a woman to birth a baby that she wanted but was not going to live? You're telling me that a woman is not going to lose their mind after that?
I do disagree with Whoopi often, but I stand firmly with what she said today. Kudos to her.
Whoopi and Joy not playing around in this segment
Government needs to butt out of people's reproductive health care! That is a private matter between an individual, their doctor, and their God. Plus, if a fetus cannot survive without being attached to a womb, then it is not a baby.
Amen!!!
I still don’t understand why we have to bend to a Republican belief bc THEY think it’s the right thing. Why are we bending over to a religious point of view? Just absurd.
I agree, just like liberals demanding everyone bends to their absurd belief that there's more than two genders and you can identify as a wolf or the soul of a star. Glad we agree!
Understand what your saying, but I also don't understand why on some issues we have to bed to the Dem's choices. I really wish both sides of the fence would agree on something and stop fighting about everything .
That abortion kills a human being inside the womb is not just a religious view. It is a scientific fact.
@@MatthewsFav all democrats want is what’s best for everyone though. You DONT want an abortion? Don’t get one, don’t tell me what to do because your bible said so, my bible said differently but I don’t care what you do with your own body.
They don't care. It will have to go back to the Supreme Court after a family sues because their daughter or wife has died. A biased Supreme Court who has members taking support from billionaires. Republicans quote the Bible but ignore Jesus's words that there should be a separation of Church and State. The GOP is focused on retaining power and has let their religious extremists make decisions that have states functioning just like the Taliban.
How would a doctor stabilize an ectopic pregnancy to keep a woman from dying? I would love the law makers in Texas to explain that to me.🤔😲
They have set back life in the US ten steps backwards. What a stress ❗️ 😩
I have always said Drs and nurses needs to take the government to court. This is outrageous.
@@snsn7251many did when people were being forced to get the jab, did you forget about this situation “my body, my choice”, well?
That's just crazy. Imagine your pregnancy is creating a life and death situation and the hospital by law is not allowed to do anything but stablize you. So what are you going to do put her in a coma to prevent further damage??
America as a first world country with 3rd world issues is DISAPPOINTING overall!
This show just lied to you. Go and look at the actual ruling for yourself.
except it's not, because in Jamaica (the 3rd world as y'all like to refer to), where I am from, there is not a question in any doctor's mind about denying or delaying treatment in the case of a medical emergency that IS an ectopic pregnancy
Trumpublican anti-choice extremists said they were going to 'take back America'. They packed the court and succeeded! They took us back to the MIDDLE AGES! The rest of the western world is in the early part of the 21st century. The USA going back to the days of witch trials and religious state based inquisitions. Ready to VOTE 100% BLUE YET?! I can't wait until November! 🌊= BLUE WAVE 2024!
THANK YOU WHOOPI AND THANK YOU LADIES FOR YOUR VOICES 👏🏾🫶🏾💖💚✨
Yes, thank you for all the memes
Tell me what rights a fetus is able to exercise in or out of the womb. Can it vote? Can it pay taxes? Can it protest? Can it carry arms?
The whole viability thing is such a joke. Especially when the life and wellbeing of the woman is never in consideration
Tell me what rights a 5 year old is able to exercise in or out of the womb. Can it vote? Can it pay taxes? Can it protest? Can it carry arms?
@@kevin20048 a five year old can breathe and feeed itself, any person can look after that child. If you want a fetus removed from a pregnant woman and given to you to care for, go for it but to tell her she has to have it growing in her body against her will makes you disgustingly evil.
More importantly, it doesn’t have an SSN so it’s not the government’s domain yet PERIOD!
I thought black lives matter. They support black lives matter,but do black babies in womb matter? No, I guess when it came to abortion ,they don't think black babies in womb matter.
No one should ever have the right to know the health issues of another person beyond the person and their physician. Period.
And did you support forced vaccinations, come on, be honest?
@@lovespurpleflowersNo one forced anything. Lots of people refused to get vaccinated and they never were.
@@incognitofelon in case your memory is dim, many in jobs were fired as well as military personnel, many of these people had families to support, are you going to spend your whole life in denial and/or ignorance? Your “incognitofelon” tells me everything that I need to know!
@@lovespurpleflowers An employer can demand you to do anything related to health and safety. It can ask you to take a health exam, drug test, wear equipment etc. As you know, employment in the US is at will. You don't like it, you have the option to quit. That's not a policy regulation that you can categorize as "mandatory vaccination".
Wonder if Greg Abbott's mother or daughter was in the hospital in that position, would he break his own law and do everything to have her live.
You know all Republicans are hypocrites Abbott would totally break the law.
Exactly!
That's right Whoopi let Alyssa know it's not her business or her question
I had two atopic pregnancies, and both times it was awful, and in order for a baby to survive the mother has to survive, but in this case, the mother can’t survive because she’s bleeding eternally this was the most excruciating pain I’ve ever been through. It was worse than childbirth. There is no way the baby can survive, this is ridiculous. Invite me on your show. I will talk about it.
Texas is such a disturbing state.
Actually plus the millions of children in states like Texas who goo through hunger and abuse.
The South is trash too
Agree.
The pregnant women affected by this need to sue the state for attempted murder of the mothers. Sue the AG, the Gov., anyone who is denying them access to life saving care.
Yes, they should sue the State of Texas.
Thank you Whoopi for shutting down Alyssa and her hypocrisy. She tries to ‘play both sides of the fence’, but fails to be convincing.
Yea, hate the fact that she is trying to find compromise. 🤡
@@IceCreamMan711why should she talk about compromising instead of just letting people do what they want with their bodies? Alyssa’s point is mute.
@@marychisenwa-pm7nd then nothing gets done. Pro-choice folks want a law to
Codify their right to abort baby… compromise is the only way. You shut it down, then nothing will be done and everyone continues to suffer.
@@IceCreamMan711 that is NOT what she Tries to do. Some viewers are simply not capable of seeing or acknowledging her game
It's not hyprocrisy it is an actual academic and legal question that is being debated globally.
At this point why are women not leaving Texas, this is a disaster waiting to happen.
Agh. I cannot stand Alyssa on this issue. The overturning of Roe has shown us how exceptions don't work. Trusting women to decide when an abortion is the right choice worked just fine for 30+ years.
And she's being intentionally obtuse when Whoopi says "it's not your business." It doesn't matter if technology lowers the point at which a fetus is viable. If I don't believe a fetus is a human being, at 12 weeks for example, I should have the right to decide if I want an abortion. It doesn't matter what technological advances can do.
In fairness, I don’t think a 15 week fetus will ever be viable. The lungs and brain aren’t fully developed. The skin is basically tissue paper. They are only about 4-6.5 inches long. How would you safely get a fetus from the human womb to an artificial womb? There are no tubes that will fit, nor ventilators that would work nor even the ability to find veins. This is where an understanding of fetal development and preemie parents sharing real pictures of what extremely premature infants look like is so important. Anti-abortion literature lies about what they look like.
My older son was born at 29 weeks/1 day. His foot was as long as my pinky. He was covered in languno because he wasn’t far enough along to have enough body fat to regulate his own temperature. And he weighed 2 pounds 4.7 ounces and was 14 inches long. Even getting tubes in him was a struggle and he was definitely viable. There was a baby born the same day as he was who was 25 weeks. That baby was barely a pound. People just have no idea unless they’ve seen it first hand.
AND she's never been pregnant. She better hope against hope she's never in that position .
And VIABILITY means that it can be kept alive due to medical intervention? It used to mean, viable without medical intervention. Babies born too soon suffer long-term problems, blindness, deafness, and severe learning disabilities, and who is going to provide care for this viable life? More in line with GOP thinking, who's going to pay for the care of this viable life? Because, if you "save" a life simply because medical technology is capable of doing it who's going to pay for the round-the-clock care a life like this is going to require? Who's going to care for the life that was viable because technology makes it so? If technology is all that matters, what about prolonging life? Brain-dead people can be kept alive by technology. They aren't viable once the machine is turned off. None of this makes sense! The GOP has always wanted to push its religious standards on everyone else. I'm a Christian but not a Republican. Why? Because the GOP speaks out of both sides of its head, it's pro-life unless a court decides that the death penalty is appropriate. They'll give cancer treatments to an inmate with a death sentence just so THEY have the power to decide when & how that inmate is going to die. IT MAKES NO SENSE! They're anti-divorce except when it comes to who they nominate and elect for President. They voted for and still support a rapist for President. The criminal statute expired, but the judge in E. Jean Carroll's case called Trump a rapist. His money kept him from facing criminal charges back then. He's trying desperately to use what money he has left to stay out of jail again. The GOP doesn't practice what it preaches!
@@robinaddis-vaughn7271 YES!!!!! 👏 👏 I completely agree! It drives me nuts when I hear conservatives touting the latest micropreemie who survived and they completely ignore the breathing tube still very much present in the photos at one year or the update that includes all the therapies or diagnosis of cerebral palsy or whatever. Who is paying for that? What about quality of life of the child? If you’re going to push for extreme viability and efforts to save the baby then you need to be willing to support the parents through support of services, being ok with higher insurance costs- or better yet universal healthcare! 😉- etc. Because that’s pro-life. That’s acknowledging the cost of the decision and being willing to follow through. I’m a Christian too and I just can’t stand the conservative messaging on this!
My older son was born at 29 weeks. I will NEVER forget the frank conversation we had with the neonatologist prior to his birth. If you want to be scared s--less about your child’s future health and success, sit through one of those. We were told his percentage of survival for his gestational age, that he may have learning disabilities, lifelong breathing issues, vision problems, that he could develop brain bleeds or NEC- an awful gastrointestinal condition preemies can get- and all manner of horrors. It was terrifying. But she wanted us to know. Even though his gestational age meant he was able to be saved, she felt it was necessary to give us the full picture. Thankfully he’s had a fabulous outcome and is now in the gifted program at school but I am fully aware that “there but for the grace of God” fully applies to us.
I cannot imagine the conversation the woman whose baby was born at 25 weeks two hours after my son had with the neonatologist. With preemies every week before 32 weeks counts in leaps and bounds. And the outcomes at 25 weeks are far more grim than 29 weeks. That doesn’t mean both babies can’t survive without issue, but it means you’re starting from different places. People just don’t understand how fraught the NICU is and how a fetus develops. They don’t come out at even 29 weeks with fully developed lungs looking like a full term newborn. In the case of my son, they look like red aliens or red wrinkly old men with barely any fat and skin so thin it bruises easily from the constant poking. I wish the reality was shared more so people understood. The success stories pre-24 weeks are newsworthy because they’re so rare, not because they’re the norm.
Women can still have abortions, just saying.
Thank you Whoopi!
5:55 Whoopi and Joy are the only ones who are right. Alyssa still thinks SHE should have a say over everyone else's body. The gall, the arrogance.
Omg you are so right! Alyssa is missing the point. Viability cannot be an issue if no one is AWARE except the patient and their physician. It is a PRIVATE HEALTH MATTER.
It's not the woman 's body they are worried about, it's the body of the baby.,
@@JamesMoritz-f6l It doesn't matter. They have no right to the private health information of any one. Therefore, don't concern yourself with what you don't know.
I'm pro-choice but you people are totally missing her point and its so clear. Geez! Read this carefully: It is indeed the job of the government to protect the life of its citizens. That includes babies and near babies born within the US. The "viable fetus" Alyssa is referring to is a human life that is NO LONGER dependent on the mother because it can survive outside of the womb. What Alyssa is saying is that there should be a conversation about the rights of that particular fetus that is now an independent human life. I would agree and I think she does too, that there should be NO govt involvement regarding the life of a zygote or embryo that is totally dependent on the mother. That would be between mother and doctor because its part of her body at that point.
The sexiness!!!
The control of a woman’s body is key here.
We can argue the finer points of what arises in court decisions but in the end it’s the slavery-control of women’s bodies.
Women still have choices in the matter, 1. who they lay with, 2. What age they decide to be intimate 3.whether or not to use some sort of control, 4. get married first 5.
Remaining celibacy if none of those choices are viable then there's always plan B.
@@rockonwink Nope. You take away ANY right, it is enslavement. Plain and simple.
Politicians making medical decisions is like asking your hairdresser to be an architect.
@8:25. Alyssa being a conservative fool saying it’s a HIPAA issue 😂
The only people who can violate hipaa privacy laws are medical professionals who are hipaa trained and certified, and she jumped from moral grandstanding to privacy concerns?
IKR. Maga folks like Marjorie TGreen also like to spout off constantly about hipaa, when it's ONLY a medical violation.
I'm 100% with Whoopi on this. Alyssa's poking her nose in other people's business and Sara (for all her agreeing _philosophically_ with Whoopi) is giving Alyssa's stance oxygen. Sometimes there's no middle ground - you're either controlling women's bodies or you're not.
Whoopi, Joy, Sara, and Sunny made good points here
Woman know, what they feel themselves.
Everyone at the table did. Alyssa brought up a question that I think in our lifetime will be asked by lawmakers, it’s just how it is. The RIGHT laws need to be put in place. Sara explained it perfectly on how to do that.
DAMM! Women in Texas need to get out now!
It’s not just Texas. Texas is just the beginning. This poison will spread nationwide.
Alyssa looking defeated at 8:34 because Whoopi is letting her know the business 💯💯💯💯
Good, she needs to shut up
@@TBMODBYes, and mind her own uterus.
Or no matter how many times Alyssa tries to explain her point Whoopi is incapable of understanding it and responds to what she thinks the question is
If the Dr. was a pedo I sure hope you tell me before I have the Dr. look at my child.
It’s NOT PRO-LIFE! It’s ANTI-CHOICE!
Why ppl ever accepted this complete misrepresentation and phrasing, I will NEVER understand! That’s literally shat it is anti- choice, period!
And anti-women.
If I was young I would never live in one of these states! Move young people move! When they no longer have all these young people to control it will change.
i don't understand how this isn't a violation of HIPPA. these politicians should be sued for invasion of medical privacy! i work in the medical field on the clerical side, and if i were to release any medical information or records without the patient's consent, I GET FIRED!!! and that patient can sue the establishment.
That's what people don't discuss about Roe it was a medical privacy issue more than anything
Yucky yuck yuck!!!!
As a Canadian watching this, I’m nauseous.
I’m so sorry y’all are going through this.
Texas judges have a lot of explaining to do as the state drops in population. That judge doesn't know health or medicine.
Of course not their a judge not a Dr.
I love Sunny and how passionate Whoopi is on this topic
If you are against abortion - don't have one. Governments job is to pass legislation that makes health care safe, legal and available for all women. Don't want birth control, don't use it. Don't want an abortion, don't have one.
What Alyssa doesn’t is understand that there is no “We” in discussing when it comes to a viable time to decide as to when a pregnancy is considered outside the body that has rights. Once again this is between the a husband or partner, the God they or may not serve and the doctor. For those who have religious belief about abortion, God as gave free will so why is this not considered when a woman is making a very difficult choice in her life. Free will is not a twice side can true at the same time issue it , you have free will and she has free will and will be or not judge for the choose she makes.
Whoopi is correct, it's always been said my body my choice,no one shoved it down our throats,we as women make the choice to lay down with someone so we should have that right without criticism to make our own choices, being a child of sex abuse by her father, I would have wanted the choice to make that decision that I didn't want a child that was from being raped by her father or any rape for that matter,God will judge you not society,man cannot control us women,just like we cannot control man's erictile disfuction, just zip it up n put it away ,life is not about sex but about living the best life you can by treating others with respect n as human beings not a trophy on a pedestal , sorry I babble but I feel strong about this, women stand up for each other,good bad n ugly we need to stand together,stay strong 💪
I disagree with some of your premise, women do not always make the choice to lay down with the men.
@@hartubmoses6645 your correct on that point,rape or being forced to have sex with someone is a different answer, that's why I spoke on the rape as a child ,but women who make the decision to have sex without protection n end up getting pregnant should not be able to just have an abortion because they didn't want a child n before you say anything about medical reasons, I agree that an abortion would be the right way to go in order to save a life either way, mother or child,but you should agree there are women who abuse that right to abort a child simply because she doesn't want a child or because she had a fling ,that makes it harder for someone that needs real medical attention
You have no idea what all women go through in their lives and no laws should be made against them based on those that has "flings". Some women don't have control over whether they want to have sex or not, some men have complete control over them and any contraceptives they might use; some husbands rape their wives. If society and you cannot or will not control men penises, which I seriously doubt they would stand for, then they should not control women's body. Women's womb does not, should not belong to the State, any State. If you want others to control you, that's your privilege, but don't include all women in your quest to be dominated.
@@claudettew1499 Do you know 50% of abortions are from teenagers? Also I think God is more loving and forgiving then you know. Do you think God didn't expect that abortions would happen? God controls and makes life. If lets us make the choice. Only he can judge. Because only He knows our hearts and minds.
@@kellharris2491 I don't think I implied what your saying,wrong judgement on me I would say,yes God our Lord Jesus has the final say n judgement, I think my faith is in good condition with God 💙🙏
Texass is 1 of the worst states in this country. Abbott should be removed for all that he's been doing. Where did he get money to ship people out????? He mis used funds from other sources, is that against the law?????
TX and FL need to be released from the USA 🇺🇸 🙂 🙏 🙃 😀
The part that I don’t understand from this is that if the mother is at risk of death, so is that baby/fetus… so aren’t you just killing that baby/fetus anyways???
Can we just rename Texas 'Gilead' at this point.
We need to change the terminology now in medical settings. I had a missed miscarriage, which was devastating to me and my husband but because they label it as a missed abortion, one question I had to ask was if i would be in trouble legally. That shouldnt be a question a mother has to ask right after hearing their baby stopped growing. 😕
I don’t think I’ll consider myself pro life since I do want the choice up until 15 weeks, no more. However, this Texas decision is just pure evil. It’s up to the person to decide whether to continue the pregnancy when their life is at risk.
Agreed. If you go by the Bible, it says that a woman's life should be preserved even at the loss of an unborn child. To subject a family to the death of a women because she is pregnant is, indeed, pure evil.
It's men telling woman what to do. It's that simple
The fetus is not viable until 20 weeks+. We were expecting twins and the water broke for one of them at 18 weeks, so we had to abort the other. The lungs were not developed, as well as several other organs. The threat of sepsis to my wife was very real had we not ended the pregnancy. Anyone aborting after 15 weeks is doing so out of health and only needs medical advice doesn't benefit from legal or religious dogma.
@TheYabbayoo So sorry for your loss. And 100% correct. Don't you love laws and comments from ignorants who know nothing about birth, but think they can influence major decisions in your personal life....?
Sometimes life threatening abnormalities don't appear until the 20 week scan, or even in rare cases 31 weeks. NOBODY has a late term abortion because they changed their minds. These are wanted pregnancies when something went horribly wrong. Do not fall for pro-life propaganda.
So if a woman dies due to a dangerous pregnancy, can judges and politicians be sued for murder. The oath the doctors take to keep everyone's medical info private doesn't count anymore. I wonder what would happen if these politicians daughter's were in the same situation, would they secretly seek out a private abortion. Every life is precious but a grown womans life is more precious.
Honestly, that's where I'm at with this. Can you sue the Governor for assault if you lose the ability to have future children over this? I guess enough women haven't died from this yet for the anti-choice side to see how misguided these decisions are. And even then, it would probably have to be married moms who leave widowed husbands and children behind, because who cares if this is happening to single women. They shouldn't be having sex outside of marriage anyway (eyeroll).
Thank you!!!
Judges & politicians are protected on this issue, they shouldn't, but are.
How about we have the conversation that a person's personal health choices are none of anyone else's business...??
Sure.............an abortion at 7 months pregnant is ok, right ?
@frankwest8041 when the doctors find something very wrong which the mother or baby then it is not your or the government decision to carry a dead or dying child !
I had a friend who had the baby die at 7 month and the had to take it out , it would have killed her !
@@victorwest8041what it is is none of your business. You don't have to make moral decisions about my wife's body. In fact I'm going have to insist.
It is disgraceful to make women carry a dead baby or put a woman’s
life in danger or incest or rape!
This is a women's rights issue and the woman should decide what to do with her body, not by a conservative religious ideology.
Wanting to ban emergency abortions is the same as wanting to ban emergency life saving heart attacks,strokes,and the like.
What life saving emergency medical procedures and surgeries does some courts in America care to ban next??
Maybe the ones that will be working on someone's liver?
Alyssa is the truest Republican. It does not matter to her until it touches her directly. THEN she cares. She will grand stand on anything.. until it touches HER. Shame on you, Alyssa.
Whoopi, you are so right. It is nobody business what I do with my body. No outsider should be interfering into my visit with my doctor
Funny one.
I find it absurd that Alyssa brings up the ethical and moral dilemma about abortion, but seems to be just fine with it not being an issue when Palestinian babies/children are being slaughtered. Who were living whole full human lives. Where’s her outrage and moral concern with that. I swear some don’t even realize how they talk out both sides of their mouth 😡.
As a life long Texan trust me when I say that they know it's wrong but will double down just to spite those people saying otherwise. They'll propose jail time as the next step.
This is not about the protection of life and fetal welfare. This is about the punitive oppression of women.
Well, they did go out and get jobs...
@@rensinclair4218 So what you're saying is employment opportunities justify these barbaric practices?
These Texans tho🙄 -you know it's REALLY bad when Texas makes Florida look good for an entire month..😏 These young women today need to put their judgemental Bibles aside & pick up a women's health or medical journal & get with the program💯 I will always vote for women's causes because we need to stick together; having been a minority in this country our entire lives; once considered PROPERTY of our husbands, you'd think they'd be the first ones in line to ensure their personal freedoms that our mother's,aunts & sisters fought for back in the 70's🤷♀️ I'm flabbergasted astounded and gobsmacked by the sheer fact that ANY women today could POSSIBLY think her private life deserves scrutiny from strangers or that her pleasures depend upon the permission of others... Utterly astonished we're even having this conversation in 2024; unfrickinbelievable...😑 js
Alyssa is just arguing for the sake of arguing about this topic at this point. she knows she's on the wrong side of this fence.
She brought up an extremely good point. A point that cannot be disregarded .
Cruelty is the Point!
Imagine if everyone just minded their own business😂
Well, if we all did that then no one would love thy neighbor. Plus wouldn't natural selection take over at that point.
I am a doctor and I am very uncomfortable with the idea of “medical exceptions” - as shown by the case of a mother with a foetus having trisomy 18, lower court said she met the threshold of her life and well-being being at risk but it was repealed by a higher court. Law acts in years and months. Pregnancies act in days and weeks, and especially for dying foetuses and life threatening pregnancies, that is a matter of hours/sometimes minutes. Medical exceptions do NOT work - especially with the threat of 99 years in prison. Doctors are not fortune tellers and superhuman - we try to make the best clinical decision for the patient’s best interest and safety but this will not happen if a doctor has the threat of 99 years in prison. Saying excemption begets the question of how much of a degree does a mother’s life have to be in danger? Those questions should be for doctors and patients not for law and fickle politicians who are the pockets of corporations as opposed to the people.
Ethically or morally? It is your personal choice. Not your neighbors.
1985 my first pregnancy, Dr asked my husband, save the wife or the baby, hubby, said the wife, Texas ladies you won’t be saved you better not get pregnant, IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU!
I agree with Whoopi wholeheartedly on this. It seems that there is only a need for respect of people's views on one side. No one is forced to get an abortion...you can make this decision based on your own personal views that respect needs to be across the board.
Abortion upto and beyond 9 months is not acceptable or allowed in any country, which is what was happening in USA. That is why Roe v Wade was cancelled. The abortion time limit is 23 weeks 6 days in UK and often shorter in Europe.
America is not so free after all . . . .. is it?
It never was
Ok again, I don’t care what Americans think should be the limit, it’s MY BODY MY CHOICE
Whoopi is not playing with Alyssa in this segment 💯💯💯💯
Can I get abortion in Texas if I have a life-threatening pregnancy?
Yes. Texas’ ban on abortion makes exceptions for cases in which an abortion would save the pregnant patient’s life or prevent “substantial impairment of major bodily function.”
My Grandma almost died 59 years ago due to an unsterilised instrument in a backyard termination.
Why in 2024 is this being visited upon Women who are at the Mercy of Men.
Get your rosary of my ovaries.
If this were a Male issue this would not still be on the docket.
During my University days 3 of my friends discovered they were pregnant and all three had abortions in a private hospital as their family were able to afford the proper care. ❤
Australia
Great. She’s a murderer
What happened to the government not telling people what to do Republicans?
This is the exact same party that says “we must protect women’s rights”. They sound like hypocrites!!!
Some baby's grow up to be women too you know.
This happened to me in 2020. I live in Dallas Texas and had an emergency dnc that saved my life in 2020 after starting a later in pregnancy miscarriage. I drove an hour from my home to my on office bleeding so profoundly that I could have passed out if I had not made it in time. I had no other choice but to have an emergency DNC. My wife and I were planning to try again this year and now, I doubt it because if I end up in the same situation I will die! So upset about this I don’t even know what to do
Sounds to me like some politicians are practicing medicine without a license.
So health insurance have to change within the Texas laws? Because the Texas laws may contradict what your insurance plan is. The only way I would live in Texas as a woman if I had a hysterectomy.
At the end of the day... IT"'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
Sara and Alyssa need to sit tf down. Roe WAS the compromise. It’s not about compromise.
VOTE 💙
IT IS ABSOLUTELY NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. What's not to understand about that?
The problem is that they give these "men" power over what a woman can and can not do with their bodies. A man does not know what a woman goes through, so they shouldn't have any say!!!
HER BODY HER CHOICE
Texas and Greg Abbott are 😫 🤒 😷 annoying as Florida and DeSantis 😮
Why does she need to make it a question? It’s non of your business!!!!
Alyssa, please read up on fetal development. There are somethings, you just can't rush. We will not be saving babies at 18 weeks.
Alyssa thinks we don't see her point but she doesn't get that her point is irrelevant. We simply DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ANOTHER PERSON'S PREGNANCY. You have ZERO input. Go cry and pray about it. Full stop.
I have a role at my company that is unique. I recently had a male manager and a male boss make a decision regarding the process of how to do my job without consulting me. When I went up to them and told them that process wouldn’t work (because I was the person who had the experience to determine that), they ended up realizing that I was going to be the one most affected by their decision, so they changed it to fit what I wanted. I am glad that they did, but I can’t help but be baffled that these two men thought they were qualified to make a decision about something that would only impact MY life without even asking me for my input or feedback. It’s literally insane how people in power think. They make decisions just because they can. They are hardly ever informed decisions and you’ll be lucky to be a woman who is granted a seat at the table making decisions about your own life.
I tend to agree with you on this, I have a female supervisor making my work load double by making the decision on how to do my job without her consulting me.
@@rockonwink it’s very disrespectful!
@@rockonwink absolute power corrupts. I doesn't matter the gender.
When viability is mentioned, no one mentions the elephant in the room- healthcare costs.
Do you know how expensive it is for a healthy, 40 week to term baby to be born in a hospital?
Now, imagine that baby is born at 24 weeks. That child will have to stay in a hospital's neo natal unit for weeks. Who's paying for all that? The patient? The insurance company? The hospital? Every future patient of that hospital, and that insurance company?
And what happens after the baby leaves the hospital? That baby will not be 100% healthy. How many Americans are receiving disability benefits because they weren't born healthy, at full term?
It sounds cold, heartless. But, it's an important issue in this debate that is never mentioned.
Yup. My older son was born at 29 weeks. My husband said that he saw his medical bill at one point and it was a million dollars pre insurance payment. And that’s a baby that had relatively few complications and left the NICU 3 weeks before his due date. Imagine the cost for a brain bleed or NEC or continued respiratory care. Some babies can spend almost a year or more in the NICU. Who is paying for that? I’m not saying we shouldn’t save babies that can be saved, I’m saying there’s a cost and it doesn’t end when the baby goes home. Even my son needed occupational and physical therapy for the first three years. Some babies go home on oxygen or feeding tubes or need therapy for years after. And often those are the ones born before 27/28 weeks.
What if she has other children to care for? 😠
Sunni stop.
If your daughter was pregnant and her life was at risk... you would be singing a different tune.