i dont get why people hate on the hela episode. Maybe a bit rushed, but i think it captured her arc, and all character in it, very well. In the end all what if episodes were too fast paced. If they extended them, even by just 5 minutes, it could help a lot.
Part of the pacing problem is because this season's episodes have a shorter runtime compared to last season. Season one's longest episode were 38 minutes their shortest was 32 minutes, Season two however their longest episodes were 34 minutes and the shortest was 29 minutes, so yeah your right just a faster runtime would've helped especially for this season
Ego: "Deep down, I guess I've always known you'd turn out to be a disappointment. You are human after all." Peter: "Actually, old man, my mom says I'm a Star-Lord.
I think you forgot that Strange never really resolve his grief. Sure, he helped save the Multiverse along with others but did it cure his grief? He may have seen matured when meeting The Watcher again after fighting with Infinity Ultron, but you can tell that he's hiding it. Nobody would suddenly recover from that trauma of destroying his entire universe. The last time we see him (before the recruitment) was him mourning for the loss of Christine and the destruction of his universe. And the fact he's the only one in his universe watching Killmonger and Zola fighting for the Stones must've made his grief manifested because he was truly alone, resolving him in resurrecting his universe. So I don't know if anyone will agree, but Strange Supreme wasn't out of character. I always suspect that something is going on with him back in the first season because, realistically, who on Earth would recover mentally after realizing you're the cause of the destruction of your own universe due to your own selfish reason. It's understandable why he wanted to bring it back to make up for what he did in the first place. And with nobody to comfort him because... well... everyone died in his universe, it makes sense why he went cray cray again. Also, his line in the last season with "what are friends for" or something was already suspicious as hell. I don't know why nobody pointed out that fact. The finale was 8.5/10. Not because of the cameo fanfest, but because of Strange Supreme's story and giving his universe another chance in life without him in it. Kahhori and Captain Carter were unable to truly beat him, even with various weapons like the Infinity Stones. The reason why he was defeated because he didn't want the literal manifestation of his own grief to attack Carter and Kahhori. He defeated himself, concluding what the other half of Strange would've done if he didn't lose. He won and lost at the same time, and his universe was save after destroying it (after sacrificing Universe Killers and some righteous heroes of course).
I applaud you for being able to give the finale some proper context, since even I was a bit iffy on the idea of him seemingly going back to square one. Like, maybe his big plan should have been set up more with little hints in season 2/3 and then pay it off with the season 3 finale, but I enjoyed reading this nonetheless. That said, can you please explain how Captain Carter was able to hold all six Infinity Stones with no side effects? It got pointed out on a forum by someone not arguing in good faith, but now I can't stop thinking about it.
@@StephanGraffeo Well, it was because she was wearing the armor of Infinity Ultron. It was the same way why Killmonger was able to resist the effects of the Infinity Stones. There's also the fact Killmonger had the powers of the Heart-Shaped Herb within him, so it helped resist the effects (it was given by Bast after all). Maybe the Super Soldier Serum is similar because it was powered by the Vita-Ray radiation or something. Maybe Kahhori cast a protective barrier on Captain Carter, hence she doesn't suffer any side effects. Honestly, I could only come up with those as there could be other reason. The writers couldn't have ignore such detail when their details in previous episodes were good and callback to the Sacred Timeline events.
For me, I actually think Strange should’ve been the one who betrayed the other heroes at the end of Season 1’s finale. Not only does it makes sense, considering that he lost his universe, but I feel like grabbing the infinity stones while feeling powerful was something Strange would do (Especially when it’s the evil revenge seeking Strange who has consumed a ton of deadly beings.). So when I saw the big twist where it turns out he was being Injustice Superman, I wasn’t shocked, or surprised, but rather more… satisfied, and disappointed at the same time. It seems like the writers knew that Doctor Strange should’ve been the twist villain at the end of Season 1’s finale, but I feel like they wanted to cap it off so that Michael B. Jordon could get his paycheck and leave the show, so he could be in the Chadwickless 2nd Black Panther movie that came out a year after Season 1 ended. And honestly, the twist should’ve been in Season 1.
I actually thought that he was going to fight Killmonger and also learned from his grief. And also maybe VISIT ANOTHER CHRISTINE AND MAYBE FIND SOME RESOLVE
@@MelianLimGachaVideosNO ITS NOT! The reason why Eric was able to have the stones is because o maybe the armor was able to help him overcome the pain of it
Ok I liked it when Peggy had her own episodes in Her OWN UNIVERSE, but why did they have to make her more important than every other character instead of choosing someone else who’s just as important
is not that I don't like that she was in the finale and in the 1602 episode, as I think she really fit in the latter, but I would have liked that in the finale it wasn't just her and Kahhori, but other characters from across the season, like Nebula from episode 1 and Hulk Hogan and one of the 80s Avengers, Hela and Wen Wu from episode 7, Tony Stark from the Sakaar episode(given that Gamora got to fight in season 1) some interesting interactions could have come out of that team up and make Peggy feel less like the super multiverse savior and more like a leader of a new batch of multiverse avengers and maybe some old ones from season 1 show up with updates from their timelines, have it be more of a team effort.
I love that line I missed tony glad we got to see more of him that didn’t get killed off right away. Especially with the other avengers celebrating Christmas together felt nice to see the team back for one more ride
Am i the only one who was left so dam confused during the finale for season 2?? That thing felt like they didnt know how to end it and just threw whatever crap from the rest of show
To me, it felt like they didn’t know how to end most of the episodes of season 2, but not the finale. I thought it was fine. Not mind blowing, but enjoyable.
It Did come out of left field, like Wanda becoming evil off screen. Even though we as the audience knew strange supreme had a troubled past, it wasn’t alluded to us in Any way that he would just turn around and become evil
*What If...?* S1 Episodes Ranked 1. 1x08: "Ultron Won?" 2. 1x04: "Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead of His Hands?" 3. 1x09: "The Watcher Broke His Oath?" 4. 1x05: "Zombies!?" 5. 1x02: "T'Challa Became a Star-Lord?" 6. 1x03: "The World Lost Its Mightiest Heroes?" 7. 1x01: "Captain Carter Were the First Avenger?" 8. 2x04: "Iron Man Crashed into the Grandmaster?" 9. 1x06: "Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?" 10. 1x07: "Thor Were an Only Child?"
@@gchild1286 i actually like Party Thor, but his episode is certainly the weakest of Season 1. As I was watching it, the story really becomes nonsensical. Like, how can a rebellious Party Thor influenced characters like Surtur, Nebula, the Sovereign, etc.? How can the entire universe be like that just because Thor never had Loki as a brother?
@@gchild1286while I wasn’t super excited about party Thor I didn’t hate him, it seems lion and many of his fans just hate any comedy they don’t like not realizing comedy is subjective and it’s pointless and lame to dislike every form of comedy you don’t find funny or relatable
The Killmoger episode was amazing. I don’t get why people hate on it. As a self contained story, that shit had me enthralled, but the treatment he got in every episode afterwards sucked. If they just continued the original story, it would’ve been a 10/10 episode for me.
Episode number 4 had caused a bit of a controversy in the Spanish world for depicting Spanish as the bas ones and the British character helping the Mohawk, its truly ironic hahaha
well, tbf the French were more welcoming than the British often intermarrying with the Native and maintaining substantial fur trades, as the British ended up stealing native lands & food. The Spanish on the other hand often killed native who refused to convert & created the Encomienda System to enslave them. I think it’s a ironic that we blind ourselves to history refusing to believe & often rewriting the truth.
In my personal opinion, there are no genuinely bad episodes of What If. The only episodes of What If I could classify as "bad" is the Hank Pym murder mystery episode from Season 1 (1×3) & the Die Hard inspired episode from Season 2 (2×3). Other than those ones, nearly every other What If episode hits amazingly. I genuinely hope that the show keeps on going, because there's so much What Ifs to do. Plus, it keeps driving the point home that animation is important.
If i'm gonna compared both seasons of What If?, then i would argue that S2 is defenetly far more consistent than S1 when it comes to quality, but i don't think the height of S2 is at least comparable to S1 (I mean remember the Supreme Strange eps or that Infinity Ultron eps?)
For me, the series has yet to justify Uatu's oath. Throughout the entire first season, its repeatedly drilled into the story how important the Watcher's oath is and how big of a deal him breaking his oath in the season one finale is, we see no consequences of this. I was hoping so bad that there would be a piece of this season that would explore what happened as a consequence of him intervening. But.... nothing.
I still don't understand how the Tesseract (an infinity stone) gave enough power to Kahhori to literally overpower Infinity Killmonger with all the infinity stones in the final episode with no effort
My favorite Season 1 episode was the murder mystery episode with alternate Hank Pym as Yellowjacket, and my favorite Season 2 episode was the Hela/Wenwu episode.
Honestly none of them are bad I wish s1 was a bit more mixed as it just got so dark. S2 was a lot more happier, I preferred S2 finale over S1s it felt longer.
I also rewatched and ranked every episode, and I was shocked that we had the same ratings for 11/18 of the episodes. The only ones that weren't close were that I gave Party Thor 8/10, and I gave Starlord Tchala 10/10. I think your points about them are convincing though. Know that you're based and this video is a banger
This seems like a mix of: - You don’t understand the premise for ‘What if…?’ - You don’t understand the concept of the series and the fact that they’re not 2 hour films, complaining of pacing in a 30 minute show, what do you expect? - Hating on the MCU is a trend and a great way to get views - Wanting everything to be the same tone - Not allowing any humour or comedy - Straight up expecting it to be as constrained as the normal MCU in terms of having to follow continuity & rules when the point of ‘What if…?’ Is the opposite This video just seems like one really long complaint fueled by online notions of what’s popular to think & believe
I disagree with you regarding the animation. Everything you said is valid. Like ...how does Kahhori even speak English so perfectly??. Theres a ton of other plot points , but twas still enjoyable..
The connection to the MCU and the comedy is what is holding back the animation. They should make a new show completely separate from the MCU and with a new animation style
My real problem with most episodes is how they are unoriginal and lazy, especially in season 2. I think Kahhori is an interesting character with a lot of potential and i hope season 3 give her more episodes, but my main issue is with Captain Carter, since i never found her as a real endearing character and see her more like a british rip-off of Captain America or a “Steve with boobies'', and also the insane amount of powers and haxes they gave her was just ridiculous for the kind character she is. It would have been much better if they had put Scarlet witch in the finale, joining force with Kahhori against Strange Supreme to stop him, now that would have been freaking awesome. Speaking of Strange, I really hate that they lazily reused him as a villain instead of giving us a new bad guy, someone like Superior Iron-man or The Maker. He was my favorite character in season 1 alongside Infinity Ultron and I really hoped we had more of him instead of Cap. Carter. Also the Hela episode with the 10 rings was just stupid and insulting, this kind of episode was screaming for a “Iron-Man Vs Mandarin Death Battle”, but instead they give us this garbage
My personal favorite episode is the one where Peter Quill fights the Avengers. There’s a number of characters that you know were pretty cool in their time, but are retired by the time of the movies, so it’s really neat getting to see characters like T’Chaka and Hank Pym in action
Despite many people not liking the ideas for episodes i still think the executions of those episodes were done really well in the most part,even tho some eps were to short for me and they overused captain Carter
18 Thor was an only child? 17 killmonger rescued Tony stark? 16 the watcher broke his oath? 15 t’challa become a star-lord? 14 hela found the ten rings? 13 the world lost it’s mightiest heroes? 12 strange supreme intervened? 11 Captain carter were the first avenger? 10 nebula joined the nova corps? 9 The avenger assembled in 1602? 8 happy hogan saved Christmas? 7 Captain carter fought the hydra stomper? 6 Ultron won? 5 kahorri reshape the world? 4 zombies? 3 Peter quill attacked earth’s mightiest heroes? 2 iron man crashed into the grandmaster? 1 Doctor Strange lost his heart instead of his hands?
Phase 5 Projects Ranked 1. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 2. Loki S2 3. What If...? S2 4. Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania 5. The Marvels 6. I Am Groot S2 7. Secret Invasion
For me, all of the episodes from Season 1 were bad (With the Worst Episode being the 6th episode where Killmonger is just… a bad fan character.). Season 2’s episodes weren’t good, but that doesn’t mean all of it were bad. For starters the first three episodes (While having its own problems each) were alright, they weren’t good, but they weren’t bad either. We also had Kahhori’s episode that was arguably the best one of the show’s 2nd season. That said… we still had bad episodes, like the Hela episode, or the 2nd Captain Carter episode, or even the 1602 episode (Which is just the worst.).
@@anonymousgaslighter345I just said not every Season 2 episode were bad. And also What the Fuck are you talking about! do you even know what you’re saying when you said Im impossible to please? I don’t even remember having a fight with you in some thread. Seriously man, you’re crazy.
I don't remember the season 1 episodes that clearly so I may change my list later but for now this is my list 1. What if...the World lost it's Mightiest Heroes 2. What if...Zombies 3. What if...Doctor Strange lost his heart instead of his hands 4. What if...Ironman crashed into the Grandmaster 5. What if...Hela found the Ten Rings 6. What if...Khahori reshaped the World 7. What if...the Watcher broke his Oath 8. What if...Peter Quill attacked Earth's Mightiest Heroes 9. What if...Strange Supreme intervened (if it weren't for this one plothole this episode would be much higher...HOW TF DID CAPTAIN CARTER HOLD ALL 6 INFINITY STONES IN HER HAND AND NOT ONLY LIVE BUT NOT TAKE ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER?!! I suspect I like Captain Carter more than most but this was too much even for me) 10. What if...T-Challa became a Star-Lord 11. What if...the Avengers Assembled in 1602 12. What if...Ultron won (I remember Thanos being cut in half really bothering me) 13. What If...Captain Carter fought the Hydra Stomper 14. What if...Killmonger rescued Tony Stark (Maybe I liked this episode more but right now I completely cannot remember it) 15. What if...Captain Carter were the First Avenger 16. What if...Happy Hogan saved Christmas 17. What if...Thor was an Only Child (was rooting for Captain Marvel 100%) 18. What if Nebula joined the Nova Core (I didn't hate this episode but I did think it was the dullest of them all, In general I like the what if series it is my 3rd favorite Disney Plus Marvel series solid 9/10 for me and very rewatchable)
I honestly kinda hate Kahhori. She feels like a self insert to show off how cool she is. The moment this solidified was when she disarmed Killmonger. Girl power is good an all, but Marvel tries WAY too hard.
While I enjoy Captain Carter more than you, I do agree about the Happy Hogan Christmas and thor eps were underwhelming. Faves are the murder mystery and 80s avengers (though, how does ego manipulate the earth? It was one thing when it was his own planet)
Having recently rewatched the season 1 finale, I thought it was really cool how every episode was brought in. The Watcher bringing in Strange Supreme, Captain Carter, T’challa Star Lord, Killmonger, Party Thor, and eventually the Black Widow of episode 8. Strange bringing in the zombies from episode 5 and the Watcher putting Black Widow on the world of episode 3. I thought that was really good. Also while rewatching, I realized that if the show had come out in mid 2020, then Chadwick Boseman’s passing would not have been as surprising. The way his voice sounds in the finale, it’s clear that he wasn’t doing well. It’s a real shame that we already got his final performance as T’challa. He was as well cast as Hugh Jackman, Robert Downey Jr, and Christopher Reeve before him.
For me the only good episodes of Season 2 were the Nebula Noir one and the Hela one. the others were just a Captain Carter Promo and the last episode ends with the show being turned into a kind of Doctor Who with the The Watcher and his companion exploring time and space. Hard pass.
I think, you think every story needs to be void of comedy and longer than a half hour in order to be good. Stories don’t need to be long and bleak in order to be worth watching. Laugh a little dude. The only story I agree with you on is “What If… Killmonger saved Tony Stark?” It’s my least favorite. Also I’ve had enough of Korg too, (for years now)!
I don't think they need to be void of comedy, most of the best MCU movies are hilarious, they just have to take themselves seriously and not sacrifice tension or stakes for comedy otherwise there's this hollow feeling to it. As for the length of the episodes, if they're going for 30 minutes episodes they need to write stories that fit within 30 minutes.
Unlike Season 1, I enjoyed all of season 2 episodes. At worst, 1 of them was average to me, at best most were top tier to me compared to season 1. The only season 1 episodes I like are 1, 2, 4, 8 and 9.
It is stated in the video that the jokes are some of the worst parts it What If. However, this is the fact I hate in the MCU in general. I can't stand how causally heroes joke around in really serious situations. It is jarring and takes away from the seriousness.
The christmas episode ie great, IF IT WASNT A WHAT IF EPISODE, nothing about it honestly even feels like a what if episode, no alternate versions or anything, hell my headcanon is this just happened before age of ultron and happy gets cured a little later, and boom! It fits right inot the main mcu as a seperate christmas special.
Honestly none of the episodes were bad. Tho the Christmas one I'm kinda confused on since how is it a what if? Regardless both seasons did great and I'm hyped for The third season. Hopefully they'll include What If Surtur Attacked Earth, since that one was cut.
I do enjoy the finale of season 2 only not liking that it was just Peggy and Kahhori figthing, and I disagree with people that are mad at stranges reversion as the way I understand it he never fully healed and he was left alone watching the multiverse, on how many of those universes was Christine alive and happy but not with him, a constant reminder of what happened, and the bunch of monsters and demons he absorbed, they corrupted him, I compare him to Wanda in Multiverse of Madness, both trying to get over their grief alone, while being constantly reminded by the multiverse of what they lost, and a source of corruption with them that makes them threaten the multiverse to solve their gref. I guess if you don't like Wanda in MOM then Strange Supreme here will not be your cup of tea either.
The reveal could have worked with even just one end credit scene of strange sat dwelling in his loneliness and maybe lighting the forge to hammer it in
I'm not going to bother ranking them, I'm just going to list them in order of release. Worst: Season 1 Episode 4. Season 2 Episodes 4, 8, and 9 Best: Season 1 Episodes 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9. Season 2 Episodes 1, 2, 5, and 7 Honorable mentions: Season 2 Episode 3 I kind of agree doesn't actually feel like a what if story at all. It just feels like something that could have happened in the main universe. It's a good story for what it is I just don't feel like it fits the tone of the series. Season 2 Episode 6 doesn't even have any alternate versions of any character we would actually know and instead introduces a brand new character who I actually like but why are we being introduced to her in "What if...?" This isn't the place to be introducing new characters we've never seen before. This is suppose to be exploring fun alternate takes on characters we already know with a twist that changes the course of the story. So again I don't hate the episode I just don't think it fits the tone of the series.
Dark comedy still has to make sense. Exploding your best friend, zombie or not, shouldn't result in "I'm covered in X". Want real dark comedy, try the actual Marvel Zombies. Iron Man susses out the truth by making Spiderman cry [Spidey has serious grief about eating MJ and Aunt May and the fact he was coherient enough to talk was a sign that he had consumed something. Marvel Zombies in the comics are only ravenous monsters when hungry]
black lion ur review is all over the place like a kid with A D D the show was ment to be fast paced one shot stories like the OG comics u make no sence .
Although I don't agree with some of the rankings on this list, I definitely agree with Infinity Ultron Won and Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead of His Hands being in the top. Both are episodes I have found myself watching over and over again!
For season 1 I think the kilmonger episode is the worst of the season and i think the zombies is the best of season. For season 2 I think the nebula episode was the worst but still was good and I think the best episode is the one in 1602.
I personally would’ve put both What If... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark? & What If… Zombies?! below What If… Thor Were an Only Child? because I felt the former meandered a bit and the later was just weird but that’s just me.
I’m not sure what’s happened to Korg. He’s one of the best parts of Thor: Ragnarok, love him in that movie, and then just doesn’t really work ever again. Makes me sad!
I liked the fun episodes, I like when the MCU doesn’t take very serious all the time, don’t get me wrong, I love the serious movies and episodes, but I also love to just have some fun with the jokes and all that stuff, I mean, not everting has to be an avengers level treat that will end the world.
i only like 2 episodes from season 2......ep. 6 and 7 where gold and the finally action was ok minus captain Carter being the main character and the one who won the day shes not qualified for that level of action and power which what made it disappointing
Not sure if you knew this but the episodes in season 2 are actually shorter than season 1. Lats season the episodes ranged from 38-32 minutes her they range from 34-29 minutes
i dont get why people hate on the hela episode. Maybe a bit rushed, but i think it captured her arc, and all character in it, very well. In the end all what if episodes were too fast paced. If they extended them, even by just 5 minutes, it could help a lot.
Part of the pacing problem is because this season's episodes have a shorter runtime compared to last season. Season one's longest episode were 38 minutes their shortest was 32 minutes, Season two however their longest episodes were 34 minutes and the shortest was 29 minutes, so yeah your right just a faster runtime would've helped especially for this season
Maybe it’s because no one asked for it. We could’ve had an episode where Iron Man fought Wenwu since Iron Man 4 doesn’t exist.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios Odin is also very inconsistent in that episode.
People are hating on Hela episode? The fuck?
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios”my fanfic is better than your fanfic :’(“
Ego: "Deep down, I guess I've always known you'd turn out to be a disappointment. You are human after all."
Peter: "Actually, old man, my mom says I'm a Star-Lord.
I remember watching "What If Ultron Won?". That was one scary version of Ultron and what he did to multiverses with no remorse whatsoever.
I think you forgot that Strange never really resolve his grief. Sure, he helped save the Multiverse along with others but did it cure his grief? He may have seen matured when meeting The Watcher again after fighting with Infinity Ultron, but you can tell that he's hiding it. Nobody would suddenly recover from that trauma of destroying his entire universe. The last time we see him (before the recruitment) was him mourning for the loss of Christine and the destruction of his universe. And the fact he's the only one in his universe watching Killmonger and Zola fighting for the Stones must've made his grief manifested because he was truly alone, resolving him in resurrecting his universe. So I don't know if anyone will agree, but Strange Supreme wasn't out of character.
I always suspect that something is going on with him back in the first season because, realistically, who on Earth would recover mentally after realizing you're the cause of the destruction of your own universe due to your own selfish reason. It's understandable why he wanted to bring it back to make up for what he did in the first place. And with nobody to comfort him because... well... everyone died in his universe, it makes sense why he went cray cray again. Also, his line in the last season with "what are friends for" or something was already suspicious as hell. I don't know why nobody pointed out that fact.
The finale was 8.5/10. Not because of the cameo fanfest, but because of Strange Supreme's story and giving his universe another chance in life without him in it. Kahhori and Captain Carter were unable to truly beat him, even with various weapons like the Infinity Stones. The reason why he was defeated because he didn't want the literal manifestation of his own grief to attack Carter and Kahhori. He defeated himself, concluding what the other half of Strange would've done if he didn't lose. He won and lost at the same time, and his universe was save after destroying it (after sacrificing Universe Killers and some righteous heroes of course).
I applaud you for being able to give the finale some proper context, since even I was a bit iffy on the idea of him seemingly going back to square one. Like, maybe his big plan should have been set up more with little hints in season 2/3 and then pay it off with the season 3 finale, but I enjoyed reading this nonetheless.
That said, can you please explain how Captain Carter was able to hold all six Infinity Stones with no side effects? It got pointed out on a forum by someone not arguing in good faith, but now I can't stop thinking about it.
@@StephanGraffeo Well, it was because she was wearing the armor of Infinity Ultron. It was the same way why Killmonger was able to resist the effects of the Infinity Stones. There's also the fact Killmonger had the powers of the Heart-Shaped Herb within him, so it helped resist the effects (it was given by Bast after all). Maybe the Super Soldier Serum is similar because it was powered by the Vita-Ray radiation or something. Maybe Kahhori cast a protective barrier on Captain Carter, hence she doesn't suffer any side effects.
Honestly, I could only come up with those as there could be other reason. The writers couldn't have ignore such detail when their details in previous episodes were good and callback to the Sacred Timeline events.
For me, I actually think Strange should’ve been the one who betrayed the other heroes at the end of Season 1’s finale. Not only does it makes sense, considering that he lost his universe, but I feel like grabbing the infinity stones while feeling powerful was something Strange would do (Especially when it’s the evil revenge seeking Strange who has consumed a ton of deadly beings.).
So when I saw the big twist where it turns out he was being Injustice Superman, I wasn’t shocked, or surprised, but rather more… satisfied, and disappointed at the same time. It seems like the writers knew that Doctor Strange should’ve been the twist villain at the end of Season 1’s finale, but I feel like they wanted to cap it off so that Michael B. Jordon could get his paycheck and leave the show, so he could be in the Chadwickless 2nd Black Panther movie that came out a year after Season 1 ended. And honestly, the twist should’ve been in Season 1.
I actually thought that he was going to fight Killmonger and also learned from his grief. And also maybe VISIT ANOTHER CHRISTINE AND MAYBE FIND SOME RESOLVE
@@MelianLimGachaVideosNO ITS NOT! The reason why Eric was able to have the stones is because o maybe the armor was able to help him overcome the pain of it
Honestly I don’t think any episode of this season was bad. The finale was pretty average but the rest were at least good to being amazing
Agreed
Your standards are way too low.
Almost all good the but first episode with nebula was awful, really made me concerned for the rest of the season but thankfully they turned it around
@@Drew_d55 your standards are way too high, you ever watched Twisted Pair?
agreed
Ok I liked it when Peggy had her own episodes in Her OWN UNIVERSE, but why did they have to make her more important than every other character instead of choosing someone else who’s just as important
+1
I completely agree, but I think she's just become the face of what if, so they needed to make her the main character.
is not that I don't like that she was in the finale and in the 1602 episode, as I think she really fit in the latter, but I would have liked that in the finale it wasn't just her and Kahhori, but other characters from across the season, like Nebula from episode 1 and Hulk Hogan and one of the 80s Avengers, Hela and Wen Wu from episode 7, Tony Stark from the Sakaar episode(given that Gamora got to fight in season 1) some interesting interactions could have come out of that team up and make Peggy feel less like the super multiverse savior and more like a leader of a new batch of multiverse avengers and maybe some old ones from season 1 show up with updates from their timelines, have it be more of a team effort.
Tony: "Son of a nutcracker, that monster's eating my suit!"
I love that line I missed tony glad we got to see more of him that didn’t get killed off right away. Especially with the other avengers celebrating Christmas together felt nice to see the team back for one more ride
Am i the only one who was left so dam confused during the finale for season 2?? That thing felt like they didnt know how to end it and just threw whatever crap from the rest of show
To me, it felt like they didn’t know how to end most of the episodes of season 2, but not the finale. I thought it was fine. Not mind blowing, but enjoyable.
It Did come out of left field, like Wanda becoming evil off screen. Even though we as the audience knew strange supreme had a troubled past, it wasn’t alluded to us in Any way that he would just turn around and become evil
*What If...?* S1 Episodes Ranked
1. 1x08: "Ultron Won?"
2. 1x04: "Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead of His Hands?"
3. 1x09: "The Watcher Broke His Oath?"
4. 1x05: "Zombies!?"
5. 1x02: "T'Challa Became a Star-Lord?"
6. 1x03: "The World Lost Its Mightiest Heroes?"
7. 1x01: "Captain Carter Were the First Avenger?"
8. 2x04: "Iron Man Crashed into the Grandmaster?"
9. 1x06: "Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark?"
10. 1x07: "Thor Were an Only Child?"
Why do so many MCU fans hate fun!?😁I liked “Party Thor”. Does every story have to be bleak? Can we laugh at something?
@@gchild1286 i actually like Party Thor, but his episode is certainly the weakest of Season 1. As I was watching it, the story really becomes nonsensical. Like, how can a rebellious Party Thor influenced characters like Surtur, Nebula, the Sovereign, etc.? How can the entire universe be like that just because Thor never had Loki as a brother?
@@gchild1286while I wasn’t super excited about party Thor I didn’t hate him, it seems lion and many of his fans just hate any comedy they don’t like not realizing comedy is subjective and it’s pointless and lame to dislike every form of comedy you don’t find funny or relatable
@@gchild1286
Exactly
The Killmoger episode was amazing. I don’t get why people hate on it. As a self contained story, that shit had me enthralled, but the treatment he got in every episode afterwards sucked. If they just continued the original story, it would’ve been a 10/10 episode for me.
Episode number 4 had caused a bit of a controversy in the Spanish world for depicting Spanish as the bas ones and the British character helping the Mohawk, its truly ironic hahaha
It’s almost as if they were showing history as it was
well, tbf the French were more welcoming than the British often intermarrying with the Native and maintaining substantial fur trades, as the British ended up stealing native lands & food. The Spanish on the other hand often killed native who refused to convert & created the Encomienda System to enslave them. I think it’s a ironic that we blind ourselves to history refusing to believe & often rewriting the truth.
+vonartal381
It was actually Episode 6
In my personal opinion, there are no genuinely bad episodes of What If. The only episodes of What If I could classify as "bad" is the Hank Pym murder mystery episode from Season 1 (1×3) & the Die Hard inspired episode from Season 2 (2×3). Other than those ones, nearly every other What If episode hits amazingly.
I genuinely hope that the show keeps on going, because there's so much What Ifs to do. Plus, it keeps driving the point home that animation is important.
If i'm gonna compared both seasons of What If?, then i would argue that S2 is defenetly far more consistent than S1 when it comes to quality, but i don't think the height of S2 is at least comparable to S1 (I mean remember the Supreme Strange eps or that Infinity Ultron eps?)
For me, the series has yet to justify Uatu's oath. Throughout the entire first season, its repeatedly drilled into the story how important the Watcher's oath is and how big of a deal him breaking his oath in the season one finale is, we see no consequences of this. I was hoping so bad that there would be a piece of this season that would explore what happened as a consequence of him intervening. But.... nothing.
I still don't understand how the Tesseract (an infinity stone) gave enough power to Kahhori to literally overpower Infinity Killmonger with all the infinity stones in the final episode with no effort
My favorite Season 1 episode was the murder mystery episode with alternate Hank Pym as Yellowjacket, and my favorite Season 2 episode was the Hela/Wenwu episode.
Loki and What If make me wonder what other alternate reality spinoffs we could get from different franchises!
Honestly none of them are bad I wish s1 was a bit more mixed as it just got so dark. S2 was a lot more happier, I preferred S2 finale over S1s it felt longer.
...the one where the OC took out a multiversal threat in less than 10 seconds?
@@michaeliv284 which one what’s OC?
I also rewatched and ranked every episode, and I was shocked that we had the same ratings for 11/18 of the episodes. The only ones that weren't close were that I gave Party Thor 8/10, and I gave Starlord Tchala 10/10. I think your points about them are convincing though. Know that you're based and this video is a banger
Fun fact: mick wingert played iron Man in the animated shows
This seems like a mix of:
- You don’t understand the premise for ‘What if…?’
- You don’t understand the concept of the series and the fact that they’re not 2 hour films, complaining of pacing in a 30 minute show, what do you expect?
- Hating on the MCU is a trend and a great way to get views
- Wanting everything to be the same tone
- Not allowing any humour or comedy
- Straight up expecting it to be as constrained as the normal MCU in terms of having to follow continuity & rules when the point of ‘What if…?’ Is the opposite
This video just seems like one really long complaint fueled by online notions of what’s popular to think & believe
Yo Black Lion, you should do a video on what if episodes you would like to see in the future
+rickyrackx8928
I second that
“A compelling love story twist on The Winter Soldier” The love story was always there.
I disagree with you regarding the animation. Everything you said is valid. Like ...how does Kahhori even speak English so perfectly??. Theres a ton of other plot points , but twas still enjoyable..
The connection to the MCU and the comedy is what is holding back the animation. They should make a new show completely separate from the MCU and with a new animation style
My real problem with most episodes is how they are unoriginal and lazy, especially in season 2. I think Kahhori is an interesting character with a lot of potential and i hope season 3 give her more episodes, but my main issue is with Captain Carter, since i never found her as a real endearing character and see her more like a british rip-off of Captain America or a “Steve with boobies'', and also the insane amount of powers and haxes they gave her was just ridiculous for the kind character she is. It would have been much better if they had put Scarlet witch in the finale, joining force with Kahhori against Strange Supreme to stop him, now that would have been freaking awesome.
Speaking of Strange, I really hate that they lazily reused him as a villain instead of giving us a new bad guy, someone like Superior Iron-man or The Maker. He was my favorite character in season 1 alongside Infinity Ultron and I really hoped we had more of him instead of Cap. Carter.
Also the Hela episode with the 10 rings was just stupid and insulting, this kind of episode was screaming for a “Iron-Man Vs Mandarin Death Battle”, but instead they give us this garbage
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*What If...?* S2 Villains Ranked
1. Strange Supreme
2. Steve Rogers/HYDRA Stomper
3. Odin
4. Ego the Living Planet
5. King Thor
6. Justin Hammer
7. Melina Vostokoff
8. Irani Rael
9. Rodrigo Gonzolo
My personal favorite episode is the one where Peter Quill fights the Avengers. There’s a number of characters that you know were pretty cool in their time, but are retired by the time of the movies, so it’s really neat getting to see characters like T’Chaka and Hank Pym in action
I love how bucky in ep5 is like I can handle an assiasin, I was just thinking bro your 97, you shouldnt even be standing
I have a feeling we might get s3 at the very end of next year like this year or early 2025 seeing how we already have a teaser for next season
I really like the Kahori's episode
I have a different opinion than you, and the fact that you have a different opinion than me, makes me MAD!😡
@@bobothy4903 that's your problem, not mine.
Despite many people not liking the ideas for episodes i still think the executions of those episodes were done really well in the most part,even tho some eps were to short for me and they overused captain Carter
In my personal opinion, the sakaar Ironman episode is my favorite
18 Thor was an only child?
17 killmonger rescued Tony stark?
16 the watcher broke his oath?
15 t’challa become a star-lord?
14 hela found the ten rings?
13 the world lost it’s mightiest heroes?
12 strange supreme intervened?
11 Captain carter were the first avenger?
10 nebula joined the nova corps?
9 The avenger assembled in 1602?
8 happy hogan saved Christmas?
7 Captain carter fought the hydra stomper?
6 Ultron won?
5 kahorri reshape the world?
4 zombies?
3 Peter quill attacked earth’s mightiest heroes?
2 iron man crashed into the grandmaster?
1 Doctor Strange lost his heart instead of his hands?
Phase 5 Projects Ranked
1. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
2. Loki S2
3. What If...? S2
4. Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
5. The Marvels
6. I Am Groot S2
7. Secret Invasion
A big disappointment for me was avengers 1602 why would you put Carter there I want to see 1602 avengers assembling not a story about Carter
3:26 Yeah I agree I was confused by that.
For me, all of the episodes from Season 1 were bad (With the Worst Episode being the 6th episode where Killmonger is just… a bad fan character.).
Season 2’s episodes weren’t good, but that doesn’t mean all of it were bad. For starters the first three episodes (While having its own problems each) were alright, they weren’t good, but they weren’t bad either. We also had Kahhori’s episode that was arguably the best one of the show’s 2nd season. That said… we still had bad episodes, like the Hela episode, or the 2nd Captain Carter episode, or even the 1602 episode (Which is just the worst.).
Your clearly impossible to please so therefore not worth the effort. How didn't you find even one fun episode (except the Kahhori one you mentioned)?
@@anonymousgaslighter345I just said not every Season 2 episode were bad. And also What the Fuck are you talking about! do you even know what you’re saying when you said Im impossible to please? I don’t even remember having a fight with you in some thread. Seriously man, you’re crazy.
That Kilmonger episode was easily top 10
I don't remember the season 1 episodes that clearly so I may change my list later but for now this is my list
1. What if...the World lost it's Mightiest Heroes
2. What if...Zombies
3. What if...Doctor Strange lost his heart instead of his hands
4. What if...Ironman crashed into the Grandmaster
5. What if...Hela found the Ten Rings
6. What if...Khahori reshaped the World
7. What if...the Watcher broke his Oath
8. What if...Peter Quill attacked Earth's Mightiest Heroes
9. What if...Strange Supreme intervened (if it weren't for this one plothole this episode would be much higher...HOW TF DID CAPTAIN CARTER HOLD ALL 6 INFINITY STONES IN HER HAND AND NOT ONLY LIVE BUT NOT TAKE ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER?!! I suspect I like Captain Carter more than most but this was too much even for me)
10. What if...T-Challa became a Star-Lord
11. What if...the Avengers Assembled in 1602
12. What if...Ultron won (I remember Thanos being cut in half really bothering me)
13. What If...Captain Carter fought the Hydra Stomper
14. What if...Killmonger rescued Tony Stark (Maybe I liked this episode more but right now I completely cannot remember it)
15. What if...Captain Carter were the First Avenger
16. What if...Happy Hogan saved Christmas
17. What if...Thor was an Only Child (was rooting for Captain Marvel 100%)
18. What if Nebula joined the Nova Core (I didn't hate this episode but I did think it was the dullest of them all, In general I like the what if series it is my 3rd favorite Disney Plus Marvel series solid 9/10 for me and very rewatchable)
did anyone hear him say "kohari"
I honestly kinda hate Kahhori. She feels like a self insert to show off how cool she is. The moment this solidified was when she disarmed Killmonger. Girl power is good an all, but Marvel tries WAY too hard.
Also if all of the native Americans had super powers why was hers the strongest
While I enjoy Captain Carter more than you, I do agree about the Happy Hogan Christmas and thor eps were underwhelming. Faves are the murder mystery and 80s avengers (though, how does ego manipulate the earth? It was one thing when it was his own planet)
I honestly kinda liked the thor episode. It made me happy when thor and Loki said we are brothers from another mother
Having recently rewatched the season 1 finale, I thought it was really cool how every episode was brought in. The Watcher bringing in Strange Supreme, Captain Carter, T’challa Star Lord, Killmonger, Party Thor, and eventually the Black Widow of episode 8. Strange bringing in the zombies from episode 5 and the Watcher putting Black Widow on the world of episode 3. I thought that was really good.
Also while rewatching, I realized that if the show had come out in mid 2020, then Chadwick Boseman’s passing would not have been as surprising. The way his voice sounds in the finale, it’s clear that he wasn’t doing well. It’s a real shame that we already got his final performance as T’challa. He was as well cast as Hugh Jackman, Robert Downey Jr, and Christopher Reeve before him.
I think episode 5 season 1 had good fights interesting stuff a cool team and a good story 7/10
*What If...?* S1 Villains Ranked
1. Strange Supreme
2. Infinity Ultron
3. Hank Pym/Yellowjacket
4. Marvel Zombies
5. Prince Killmonger
6. Collector
7. Grandmaster
8. Red Skull
For me the only good episodes of Season 2 were the Nebula Noir one and the Hela one. the others were just a Captain Carter Promo and the last episode ends with the show being turned into a kind of Doctor Who with the The Watcher and his companion exploring time and space. Hard pass.
Too much Peggy Carter in Season 2.
I think, you think every story needs to be void of comedy and longer than a half hour in order to be good. Stories don’t need to be long and bleak in order to be worth watching. Laugh a little dude.
The only story I agree with you on is “What If… Killmonger saved Tony Stark?” It’s my least favorite. Also I’ve had enough of Korg too, (for years now)!
I don't think they need to be void of comedy, most of the best MCU movies are hilarious, they just have to take themselves seriously and not sacrifice tension or stakes for comedy otherwise there's this hollow feeling to it. As for the length of the episodes, if they're going for 30 minutes episodes they need to write stories that fit within 30 minutes.
CAN YOU RANKED THE SPIDER-MAN VILLAINS LIVE ACTION FOR WORST TO BEST?
episode 7 was my favourite season 2 episode but season 1 episode 8 and 9 are my favourite
Great video i feel what if is the last hope for marvel
Haven't seen the video but the Christmas special is not a bad episode, it is exactly what it is supposed to be and pretty good self contained episode
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*ranks my second favorite episode of season 1 at the bottom and calls it “not funny at all”*
i don’t belong here
Ove once had an idea for a avengers in the 1940s not as a what if story but as a comic book story
I'm not going through and ranking everything but I gotta say Ultron episode was my favourite with the Dr. Strange episode right after
There’s not even that much humour in episode 7
For me season 1 was superior season 2 played it safe and focused much more on captain Carter than it needed
Gamora really stole iron man’s slot on the super team in season 1
Unlike Season 1, I enjoyed all of season 2 episodes. At worst, 1 of them was average to me, at best most were top tier to me compared to season 1. The only season 1 episodes I like are 1, 2, 4, 8 and 9.
It is stated in the video that the jokes are some of the worst parts it What If. However, this is the fact I hate in the MCU in general. I can't stand how causally heroes joke around in really serious situations. It is jarring and takes away from the seriousness.
1602 is a lot, LOT better finale than the actual finale. Iam gotta pretend 1602 is the actual finale tbh
The christmas episode ie great, IF IT WASNT A WHAT IF EPISODE, nothing about it honestly even feels like a what if episode, no alternate versions or anything, hell my headcanon is this just happened before age of ultron and happy gets cured a little later, and boom! It fits right inot the main mcu as a seperate christmas special.
I love Kahhori, she’s a great new character, I want more content with her !!
Great ranking
i personally thought that what if... Kahhori Reshaped the World? was the worst episode of the entire show
Same
For me, zombies was one of my favorites
Honestly none of the episodes were bad. Tho the Christmas one I'm kinda confused on since how is it a what if? Regardless both seasons did great and I'm hyped for The third season. Hopefully they'll include What If Surtur Attacked Earth, since that one was cut.
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Ok I actually liked the Killmonger episode but I wish it was longer and I think Eric already had enough depth in the movies and comics
I do enjoy the finale of season 2 only not liking that it was just Peggy and Kahhori figthing, and I disagree with people that are mad at stranges reversion as the way I understand it he never fully healed and he was left alone watching the multiverse, on how many of those universes was Christine alive and happy but not with him, a constant reminder of what happened, and the bunch of monsters and demons he absorbed, they corrupted him, I compare him to Wanda in Multiverse of Madness, both trying to get over their grief alone, while being constantly reminded by the multiverse of what they lost, and a source of corruption with them that makes them threaten the multiverse to solve their gref. I guess if you don't like Wanda in MOM then Strange Supreme here will not be your cup of tea either.
The reveal could have worked with even just one end credit scene of strange sat dwelling in his loneliness and maybe lighting the forge to hammer it in
Bro Zombies were so good
I'm not going to bother ranking them, I'm just going to list them in order of release.
Worst: Season 1 Episode 4. Season 2 Episodes 4, 8, and 9
Best: Season 1 Episodes 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9. Season 2 Episodes 1, 2, 5, and 7
Honorable mentions: Season 2 Episode 3 I kind of agree doesn't actually feel like a what if story at all. It just feels like something that could have happened in the main universe. It's a good story for what it is I just don't feel like it fits the tone of the series.
Season 2 Episode 6 doesn't even have any alternate versions of any character we would actually know and instead introduces a brand new character who I actually like but why are we being introduced to her in "What if...?" This isn't the place to be introducing new characters we've never seen before. This is suppose to be exploring fun alternate takes on characters we already know with a twist that changes the course of the story. So again I don't hate the episode I just don't think it fits the tone of the series.
I hate to say it but I now hate watching captain carter she’s to over used
I was looking to buy the dvds of this but none of it sounded any good thx
I think the episodes of season 2 just focused more on the messaging rather than story
Season 1 was definitely better than season 2.
agreed it should've just a mini series just one season and that's it.
Wasn't Marvel Zombies a dark comedy? The tone in the What If...? episode is consistent, at least.
Dark comedy still has to make sense. Exploding your best friend, zombie or not, shouldn't result in "I'm covered in X".
Want real dark comedy, try the actual Marvel Zombies. Iron Man susses out the truth by making Spiderman cry [Spidey has serious grief about eating MJ and Aunt May and the fact he was coherient enough to talk was a sign that he had consumed something. Marvel Zombies in the comics are only ravenous monsters when hungry]
black lion ur review is all over the place like a kid with A D D the show was ment to be fast paced one shot stories like the OG comics u make no sence .
Although I don't agree with some of the rankings on this list, I definitely agree with Infinity Ultron Won and Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead of His Hands being in the top. Both are episodes I have found myself watching over and over again!
For season 1 I think the kilmonger episode is the worst of the season and i think the zombies is the best of season. For season 2 I think the nebula episode was the worst but still was good and I think the best episode is the one in 1602.
Top 3 for me is What if… Dr. Strange lost his heart instead of hands. What if… Ultron Won. What if… Supreme Strange intervened
I personally would’ve put both What If... Killmonger Rescued Tony Stark? & What If… Zombies?! below What If… Thor Were an Only Child? because I felt the former meandered a bit and the later was just weird but that’s just me.
Never rate again 🔥🔥🔥
Since you created your own Batman cinematic universe, can you make a Spider-Man cinematic universe. Not like the mcu video you did but your own films?
I made a tiktok post saying that it could have happened in the main MCU, Christmas 2014
I’m not sure what’s happened to Korg. He’s one of the best parts of Thor: Ragnarok, love him in that movie, and then just doesn’t really work ever again. Makes me sad!
The indian one was the best one of season 2. The ultron one is the best of all seasons
Maybe.
I liked the fun episodes, I like when the MCU doesn’t take very serious all the time, don’t get me wrong, I love the serious movies and episodes, but I also love to just have some fun with the jokes and all that stuff, I mean, not everting has to be an avengers level treat that will end the world.
honestly the finale was so disappointing in my opinion.
Agreed, I loved this season and the finale is the only one I completely hated
@@patrickmcguire7896 indeed
I liked the Peter Quill episode of What If? Season 2. The finale was so utterly disappointing.
@@labgoat6787 I can agree with that
i only like 2 episodes from season 2......ep. 6 and 7 where gold and the finally action was ok minus captain Carter being the main character and the one who won the day shes not qualified for that level of action and power which what made it disappointing
I like this show but the characters they choose for some of the episodes just aren’t that interesting to me
to be honest one of my favorite episodes is the kilmonger one.(But just my opinion)
I'm not sorry but you are entirely wrong with #4 *THAT* is the worst episode of the series
*What If...?* S2 Episodes Ranked
1. 2x06: "Kahhori Reshaped the World?"
2. 2x08: "The Avengers Assembled in 1602?"
3. 2x02: "Peter Quill Attacked Earth's Mightiest Heroes?"
4. 2x09: "Strange Supreme Intervened?"
5. 2x05: "Captain Carter Fought The HYDRA Stomper?"
6. 2x07: "Hela Found the Ten Rings?"
7. 2x01: "Nebula Joined the Nova Corps?"
8. 2x03: "Happy Hogan Saved Christmas?"
Dude complains about pacing and then keeps 1988 Avengers over Nebula and 1602 episodes.
It's definitely less well paced, but it does other things better.
Not sure if you knew this but the episodes in season 2 are actually shorter than season 1. Lats season the episodes ranged from 38-32 minutes her they range from 34-29 minutes
Hela has the best episode
Season 2 had a few good episodes
This season is a mess but episode 6 is the worst
This tier list sucks
How tf do you hate Korg? This whole video now has no merit
Korg is so freaking annoying I dont know how you like him honestly.
Y'all mofos wack, bro is genuinely funny
@@casualgamerthatsucks6576 I mean you do you man. Everyone is entitled to those opinions.