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Mate, the most popular BYD model in Indonesia is the 3-row 6 or 7 seater MPV vehicle like the BYD M6. From the whole sales, that M6 is the top 9 best selling in the recent month of October or November 2024
I was in London at London Bridge in August a couple of years ago and it was terrible! People who are against EVs clearly do not have to deal with large cities
It’s abundantly clear that people want energy efficient electric cars that are actually affordable. And the Chinese manufacturers (BYD, Xpeng, MG, etc) are making it happen.
If i had a magic wand and i waved it, and every car on earth changed to all electric, guess what would happen?---Nothing, nobody would be going anywhere. Why? The world doesn't generate enough power to charge them all.
John, we generate more than enough electricity from our rooftop to power a home, my wood shop, heat and cool a greenhouse, and power a Chevy Bolt EV. We have enough panels to power a second EV, and charge even more batteries and we will do so as we can.
@@johnday6392Wow, you’re terrible at understanding basic Physics aren’t ya? ALL of the Vehicles don’t charge at the same time. You CANNOT wave a magic wand. It will take a couple decades to replace all NEW ICE Vehicles Sales with EVs, much less the ENTIRE world fleet. There’s plenty of Electricity being produced throughout the Day and Night. It’s only during peak demand hours that there’s not enough electricity. Obviously nearly all vehicles in Norway are EVs and they’re doing just fine. Sweden, Finland, Denmark are all catching up with Norway as we speak. They’re ALSO doing fine. China now sells OVER 55% of ALL new vehicles as Plugins in the largest automotive market in the entire world. They’re also doing fine. Europe is far ahead of the US in General on EVs and Again, they’re doing fine. Pretending that the US, the largest economy and per capita user of energy and electricity can’t do the same is absurd. Stop spreading FUD that wasn’t true 10 years ago. Now there’s literally more Solar and Renewable Energy going in both on the Grid and in people’s homes. Plus more and more Battery Storage is being installed both on Grid and in private homes and commercial buildings. Every building in the US is wired for electricity and millions of them have Solar Power and more and more have battery storage. This is a nothing burger argument.
@@freeheeler09 Does this apply in the depths of a hard winter? Also, that means that every roof has to have solar panels, and i mean every roof, who's going to pay for this, the government??
I live in Thailand. Chinese EVs are everywhere. Nissan is on life support here, Chevrolet is done, Ford Ranger and everest are the only 2 fords i have seen here, and now they are heavily discounted. BYD is growing in popularity, and i will likely purchase a seal in mid 2025 when the new battery is released. Japanese cars here are mostly toyota and isuzu trucks. Charging stations are popping up everywhere. The bulk of americans purchase hilux or ford rangers. I am waiting to see how well the BYD shark sakes will do upon arrival here.
@@Gort2525If you buy any vehicle and drive it off dealership, it instantly loses a big chunk off its value. With fast evolving EV tech and shifty political situations, we decided to lease a car instead of buying one for my son here in the states. It was an ICE Subaru, only because it offered the best cost/performance ratio at the time due to insane prices they charge for EVs here. I personally drive a Model 3, though.
Here, in sunny Thailand, home solar systems are booming, not just for powering houses but also for charging EVs. For around $5,000, you can install a solar setup, and when paired with a Chinese EV like BYD, Neta, or Ora Good Cat, it costs the same or less than a Japanese car, and practically you’ll be running on free fuel.
That's what I love about owning Web EV in Australia! Since September (Spring), we've been running our car for free since our solar panels charge our car, love it!
@@itisyouthatiadoreAiyo, big segments of the market come from below 100k. When miti removes the requirement or Proton brings in CKD EV, it will quickly eat the pie of the Japanese car manufacturers. If you look at the total sales, you may miss out the details. On similar segments and specs, the Chinese EVs are gaining market share
More EV sales will mean more load on the electrical grid, of which the national electrical utility company is not able to sustain nor provide unless they increase the load, supply and increasing grid connectivity and redundancy. More load requires more generation of power which currently uses carbon fuels to generate. Currently there is very limited use of solar or other means of power generation. There will come a time when the cost of fuel and cost of generation vs the supply becomes too wide and costs will increase. Tiered costs and time schedule of charging will impact costs in future. Expect doubling of tariffs as more and more EVs coming in to use. Currently, the cost of charging an EV is a tad bit lower than cost of refueling a normal car though cost of refueling EVs vs carbon emitting vehicles will normalize over time.
@Supsup8566 false assumption, unless the govt decided to double up petrol price like other asian nations, ev gonna still play 2nd fiddle to ice in msian market
They went to for some "alternative" treatment in Thailand, not an established clinic. It did not help to cure the cancer, which is not really surprising. But at least it made them feel better. She is in stage 4. Sadly I think they have to try to make the best of the time remaining.
I live in Ontario Canada, and the day they announced the 100% tariffs in Chinese EVs I can't describe how idiotic it sounded to me. If you don't want people buying Chinese products innovate! Don't hide behind tariffs that don't help anyone but the wealthy
China cornered the production and components of batteries in China by not allowing international company make their own oem batteries, now you know why US and other countries are raising the tariffs
Canada is a lapdog to USA. When USA says jump, Canada says how high? As you can see, being a patsy to the USA doesn't help you. Trump still disrespects Canada. Maybe Mexico, Canada and China should form a trade pact and leave USA out.
😂Their 100% tariff thing along with the follow up shhutting Mexico out from USMC thing are so stupid that I failed to feel any anger but kind of amusment out from such a rediculous situation. I am not sure if sad is a proper expression when the level goverment putting out this kind of comedy that makes 3 stoogies looks blend
Introducing high tariffs is simply dumb as the implementation of tariffs is reciprocated. All that it does is increase costs for consumers leading to less money being spent on other local items and businesses...
I live in Thailand and we have been loving at a new car. We took out the BYD Sealion 6 HEV. And it’s amazing to drive. And only B1.1M (AUD$50k) Now Toyota have brought out a sports SUV. Toyota Crown Sport, similar to the Sealion 6? But it’s cost is B3.3m (AUD$151k) And in my opinion only. The BYD outclasses the Toyota in every way. Style, fitment, luxury, drivability, spec. And most of all price.
True, I took a Grab ride on a BYD and was very impressed by the ride and fit & finish of the car. I forgot the model but it was just an entry level compact EV.
Let’s break it down. Assuming OMV is $41,000 COE $103,010 ARF for BYD Seal $49,400 Customs excise $8,200 GST 9% $4,428 Total = $206,038 Government green incentive ($40,000) marketing cost, PDI, accessories, and G&A, let’s put it at $8,000 per car. Cost = 174,038 Anything more you pay will be the dealer’s profit margin.
Chinese manufacturers are simple lowkey folks who saw a need becoming a want. So they just work hard and smart to meet the demands. They are just being humble good guys of the world, just like their forebears 5000 years ago.
You are so correct, if I lived in a highly polluted city I would want to do everything possible to reduce it to improve my living environment. Switching from gas to EV is a simple logical step and given that it’s much more affordable and well built, a no brainer.
I live in Thailand and can see new Service Stations opening up almost every week. They usually have up to 20 pumps and 3 charging stations. On the other hand I can see Mazda Dealerships changing over to BYD.
Do you speak Thai ? Sawa dee, don’t really trust Chinese cars with the spying, even Japanese cars (world ear 2), but I do trust American and Europeans all about race, culture and history with me..,
Hi, Darwin. Your neighbour to the south. I live 15km from the biggest city. I have not seen a single new petrol station in the last 10 years. One has changed owners 3x. Five have closed, that I have been to. It's not because of EV though. I've seen a handful of EVs the last few months. But very few. Thailand probably has far more EVs. The last 5 years, no petrol station has been renovated. This is probably due to EVs though. Everybody is just waiting to see what happens. The pumps, buildings, etc has noticably get more worn, but everybody knows if you invest more money in renovation, if EVs comes in, you would lose everything.
At Thailand Motor Expo 2024, which ended on December 10th, BYD received 7042 orders, ranking second. The first place is Toyota, with 8297 vehicles. But you should know, BYD only entered the Thai market in November 2022, and it was loved by consumers in such a short time.
Exactly. The cost of EVs will continue to fall due to advancing technologies and economies of scale. At the same time, the cost of ICE vehicles will rise as their market share declines. This marks the end of the ICE age.
EVs definitly will dominate the market like quartz watches, but only those fuel-efficient Japanese cars will be wiped out, while cool racing car will survive like those luxury Swiss watch.
Toyota STILL betting on hydrogen. Its just a joke now. California experiment is more than enough to proof its NOT working. There is a lawsuit pending. NOT Hydrogen cars in Japan itself.
Actually, its arrogance of the whole automaker, and mindset of japanese in general. No japanese car maker made much investment in EV, lack of investment from government. And general trust and high confidence of japanese people in their own culture, legacy, and own way of life. They just pretend they dont know anything outside of Japan. You see their position of not apologizing for past war history, and still worshipping the war criminals today, even among politician, says it all.
@@sneakymove Toyota runs the mafia, thats why all jap cars look the same. Toyota will rule the world with hydrogen...........because everyone knows they are right..........
I am living in Singapore and Indonesia. I see many BYDs and other smaller Chnese EV cars appearing on the roads. Top ones are Atto 3, M6, Seal, Geely, Wuling Air EV, Wuling Coud EV, Chery Omoda, a few MGs and NETAs.
Toyota, Honda and Japan as a whole have failed miserably for not adopting Nissan & Carlos Ghosn's lead in BEVs well over a decade ago. Today, China has surpassed Japan in every BEV metric. Too little, too late. Arrogance has its pitfalls.
Nissan with its leaf and Toyota with its Prius were expected to be the forerunners of what ev,s would look like in future but they preferred to continue raking in the profits with their ice cars and thought that the Chinese would never be able to get ev engineering right.
Nissan are in big trouble in the UK. They initially had a lead with the leaf, but as of today you can pick up a brand new Nissan Leaf from dealers discounted to £17995 from 29K . I’ve never seen discounts like this and they are still not shifting cars.
@@oliverdickens4641 Nissan Leaf is at least a full step behind what China currently offers, so they're simply not competitive. Nissan Ariya is a little better, quite handsome, but it's nowhere near as good as the latest Chinese cars with Huawei automation. Thus, Nissan is forced to sell on price with big discounts.
When I was last in Thailand in Oct 2022 I was amazed at how many EVs I saw, I saw multiple GWM Ora EVs on the roads, even saw one in rural Thailand in the mountains near the Thai border near Hua Hin. In Bangkok I saw BYD e6 taxis that are an old design from 2009 and also lots of MGs everywhere. At the time I was seeing more EVs than I would on an average day in Melbourne. It makes sense, fuel is the same price as it is in Australia but their wages are much less so it's more of an issue with costs of ownership compared to places like Australia and USA.
I am Thai from Rayong industrial province of Thailand. I have solar cell at my home and I use NETA V. You need to plan ahead when travel but it damm cheaper then gasoline.
BYD taxis are still rare. So you are lucky. Maybe as "premium taxis" at the Airport only, I think. The Thai EV taxis are (currently) mostly Aion ES and MG EP
Have 2 EVs in Thailand Ora Good cat and MG SE EV. Love them both. Also have a Lion Electric motorbike. Love it. Love your channel too. If you could do a few videos on the embryonic electric motorbike market that would be great.
I’m from Indonesia. You hit the nail on the head. Whilst “Climate Change” might not resonate with most people here, “POLLUTION” affects everyone in 3 biggest cities here everyday, especially pollution from ICE car tailpipes. EV adoption is getting a lot of support from influential and powerful people in Business and Government. Even the Grab and rideshare drivers here frequently talk about it and are knowledgeable about EVs. They understand that it is better for them and their children
I predicted China will ultimately dominate. Just didn't think that fast. The EV will make China the king. Japan will fall, n if they drop on electronics, phones n now cars, Japan will decline even faster.
😂The so called phone. Demolished following markets:" GPS, Digital Camera( except DSLR), flash light, hand held game console, portable music player." so, for better or worse. It happens.
Toyota and Honda still have a presence in Thailand. But i noticed honda are starting to be seen less and less. Toyota have the truck/ute market with Ford close behind. When a decent EV truck comes along, toyota and ford will start to shrink in sales. EVs are everywhere now
Problem with Japanese,Korean and European manufacturers they still doesnt want to reduce their price although the quality isn't the same as they are used to be.
Forget EV and cars, just take a look at japanese laptop brands. Back then having a japanese brand laptop is considered a luxury. But nowadays, even japanese big electronics retailers are filled with either taiwan/chinese brands. I saw one of the latest japanese brand laptop and I dont like it, quality and design are inferior compared to the chinese/taiwanese counterpart. Cannot believe I said this, I prefer MSI/Lenovo over toshiba/fujitsu. Why would I spend more money for japanese brands if I can get superior laptops from non-japanese brands?
The key to Japan automotive industry for so long to keet ahead of competition : reliable. But nowadays not many people want that anymore and many Japanese cars are unbearably boring with very poor features, if consumers have options to choose they will switch in no time. That's when the Chinese came offering them the option they wanted. For China the key seems to be : handsome looking cars, futuristic, rich in features, and affordable.
Hi Viking, check out the scene in the Arabian Gulf countries. In Dubai alone there are 40,000 EV's and the local utility provider has installed 800 chargers. Brands like Tesla, BYD, MG and Xpieng arre taking over. Sincerely hope your wife gets well.
Here in Cambodian capital, Phnom Penh, on Monivong blvd, Zeekr dealership took over a Mazda one this year and across the street from it, another Chinese EV took over an old Audio dealership. This year there are more ATTO3s, Seals and Sea lions on our road, even the luxurious Zeerk MPV are going around. That said, Land Cruiser and Hilux are still dominating our roads. But the writing is on the wall. We just need more charging stations. I hope the Japanese brands build EVs quickly and cheaply too.
it's late but not too late. They still have major presence. There are still a lot of Japanese ICE fans that willing to do their bidding. But they need to act fast, because the number is steadily decreasing.
Good article to mention these long emerging markets. That hipster you had on recently about finger pointing in BYD's error in having too many models is pretty much answered here.
They do... they are hiding the fact they are losing money on EV... pricing to the bottom but they have unlimited government money to play with. Putting Western companies from competing in many of the markets. That is the game plan.
Ive been in Thailand 11 years now. When I first moved here, you would be crazy to buy anything but a Toyota. Toyota owned the market, and commanded a premium price - That has changed very quickly. Both of my GF's brothers work for tier 2 automotive suppliers here. Speaking with them they are both worried about their jobs. They figure another 8-12 months before more plants start shutting down. Looking at Ford, last year a 1 year old Raptor v6 was selling for over 2 million baht. You look today, a 1 year old raptor is 1.6million or so Heck Great Wall Motors swallowed up the Chevy plant and started spiting out vehicles in record time. BYD has started production here, GIC Angan and Changwan are here now. Will be interesting to see what the market will look like in 5 years.
I have talked to some leaders of Chinese automakers that don't export unless the cars reached top level quality. The Korean automakers made a huge mistake in rushing to export cheap poor quality cars to the US and have to take that reputation for 20years even after the quality improved. China EV did very well domestically before exploring the overseas market.
The Philippines has 100 million people and could also be a big market as well, BYD and other EVs are now showing up in numbers, and I regret having bought my Toyota Raize a year ago.... I want an ATTO-3 ....
The CEO of Ford acknowledged publicly that they're cooked -- they just don't know what they can do about it. But China itself should be worried about the "next billion" developing rapidly behind them, in SE Asia, S America, and Africa, who will eventually do the same to them.
Not yet in the Philippines apparently. Most people here still worship the brand Toyota and EV chargers are so few and far between outside of Metro Manila. There is also bias against Chinese car brands that's outdated but people aren't keen on updating their perspective.
EV's in Thailand and Malaysia are tax exempted until end 2025. Hence it's able to compete in price with heavily taxed Japanese ICE cars. What is interesting is, certain Chinese ICE vehicles are already outselling Japanese ones in Malaysia. Pollution in bangkok are caused by burning of paddy fields after harvesting.
Heavily taxed Japanese ICE? What are you talking about There are entire cities in Thailand dedicated to Japanese ICE localized production they are not heavily taxed.
Maybe if you state facts, you will have better credibility. Japanese and other makes of EV enjoy the same tax benefits, not just Chinese. For Ice cars, Chinese Ice cars are subjected to same tarrifs as everyone else. You write as if Chinese cars get special exemptions, so can compete. So sickening to see a Mslay name spewing the same Western bias and nonsense.
The pollution in Bangkok is from the massive amount of diesel exhaust. Until that is addressed all the EV craze won't help the pollution as much as people think or want.
Japan has the most efficiently-produced ICE vehicles in the world. Toyota stands out at the very top. China realized they could not compete with that and stopped barking up that tree. They planted their own EV tree that is now growing exponentially and they are perched right on top.
You are correct that we need more EV brands in Indonesia. We have BYD, Geely, Wuling, MG, and Aion, but not yet Xpeng, Zeekr, etc. And in Indonesia particularly, we care about after-sales and resale value, so the challenge for these Chinese manufacturers is to prove that they can provide good after-sales in at least big cities (which are spread across the big islands which require good logistics planning) and somehow provide innovative mechanisms to alleviate some concerns about resale value.
This is what happened when they start charging outrageous prices for even basic cars like a Corolla or Civic.I remembered it was easy to get one of those budget cars for less than $16/17k.
Bejing China also used to obscene amounts of air pollution in the city until they started making it extremely expensive to renew license plates every year. China made much cheaper to own eVs. Several years later air pollution is reduced!
Looking purely at policy, Shanghai would be a better example and air quality there is comparable to major cities in Canada and the US now. Beijing suffers from severe desert storms so the numbers are skewed.
I like your content but just thought it worth pointing out that having lived in Indonesia for over a decade, Nissan were never a major player and it was extremely rare spotting one of their cars on the streets.
It's over for Japan. Arrogance, complacency and corruption saturate their corporate and political arenas. RIP to Japan's global relevance. Being a US lapdog has its pitfalls.
There's oil and sparepart mafias in Japan. There's a lot of money involved with sparepart suppliers for ICE and hybrids. Some high ranking execs are also sparepart suppliers. That's where they're making big profit. The only brand making EV was Nissan because Carlos Ghosn forced them to make Leaf. Along the way, cutting of suppliers and middlemen, pissing them off as enemy. We all know what happened, they criminalize that Gaijin after
I am from Malaysia and chinsse are 15 percent cheaper with all featurea provided. The japanese have less featires. Chinese warranty 10 years or 100,000 km whuchever cone first while Japanese car offfer 5 to 7 years warranty. There is NO Brainer decision. In the past people complain of China engine reliability and China smart, offer 10 years warranty..There is no more Arguement.
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and experience. It has been incredibly valuable to me. I look forward to the opportunity to learn more from you in the future.
I am so sorry to hear about your wife, you and your boys. I know first hand how that feels. Stay strong for her and for your boys. Prayers for all of you.
Like Japan trounced the British car & motorcycle company's in the 60s & 70s. Now Chinese are trouncing the world by making massive Investment on new technology not living on there morals like Japan & the British still stuck in the groove turning out the same old crap year after year. British company's suffered no input of investment into future technology & research just share holders taking the profit and putting nothing back in.
@@alunjones4427many don’t make profit. Most are running significant losses. There will be way less Chinese Automakers within another decade. Same for Legacy automakers.
Living in Thailand with all the new Chinese Electric cars entering the market, it is hard to understand why anyone would buy an ICE car. In every segment except for maybe the large SUV (Toyota Fortuner) segment and pick-up single and extended cab segment there is an EV for a comparable or cheaper price than a similar ICE model. Even the 4 door pick-up market has the Geely Riddara now for the equivalent of $41,400 Australian to just under $60,000 for all wheel drive and acceleration of 0-100 in 4.5 seconds. You can buy a Neta V that compares to the Toyota Yarris for under $21,000 Australian. My friend has a CRV that he wanted to replace with a new one. The cheapest CRV was just over $64,000 Australian, the top of the line was $78,000 Australian. He bought a top of the line all electric BYD Sealion7 all wheel drive for $57,500 Australian. The Japanese just can't compete with the Chinese cars, the Americans, other than for Ford, and the Europeans, other than for BMW and Mercedes, don't even try.
I understand that there are many reasons why Thai people still buy ICE cars so much in 2024. 1. In Toyota Honda Isuzu, Thai people trust. (High brand loyalties and high of social accepting) In Chinese products, they don't. (Chinese products in general are crap.) 2. Anti-EV sentiments are high, just not aggressive like in the US 3. Fears of EV fires, EV explodes, EV short-circuits 4. Not conveniences in using EVs such as few charging stations or long charging times 5. Few of social accepting in EVs. The social trend is still on fuel cars. In Thailand, EV sales is just about 10-15% of all cars.
SEA market is unique. Only Singapore and Malaysia presents mature Europe/North America-like car market pattern with local quirks. Thailand is mid-income trapped, Indonesia and Philippines is poor low income and seemingly never grow, while Vietnam is poor but very aspirant. The rest can be safely ignored (e.g. Brunei - despite being high income). Japanese makes just simply commits and fight for their pie. They are accompanied by European, mainly the Germans who established their presence mainly based on brand recognition - they dominate the luxury market. Americans are basically forgetable, lack of commitment and inability to follow through, basically Katy Perry's "Hot and Cold". South Koreans are also serious, they want to be the next Japan and they did it by not only undercutting, but also offering better tech and value. But they quickly cashed in and view themselves as part of the establishment too soon. The most disappointing aspect of our car market is how quickly G7 imperialist market players settled down after trying so hard to compete, and become part of the industry cartel. The biggest impact from Chinese car is indeed Thailand and Indonesia, but surprisingly Malaysia (Geely owns Proton) and Singapore too. Singapore was said to be swamped by a lot of high end Chinese EV brands. The biggest move is probably when Hyundai dumped money here and put their blades on Japanese's throat. It forced Japan car makers to improve their Indonesian model standards - active safety systems, ABS EBD become standard equipment, including airbags in lowest trim (yes, Japanese were that awful), and most importantly, car infotainment systems. Turns out people wanted more than just vast dealer network for easier maintenance access and fake resale value. But unfortunately for the Korean and inadvertently, the Japanese, the Chinese entered the game like a wrecking ball. The Ioniq 5 was once 800ish million IDR, lauded and quite dominated our EV scene. It is locally made in West Java. But today, after the Chinese wrecked the market, it gets a massive 20% discount. For the first time since 1998 financial crisis, I witness a new 2025 model actually went down in price or stayed the same with plenty of upgrades - we have several Japanese hybrid models that is under 500 million IDR. Back then, Prius used to be "luxury car" for Indonesians. For long, they have been profitting too much and complacent.
This is an ignorant and outdated characterization of Asean countries. That's why I will never trust Western judgements of these countries. Go out and stay in each of these countries for a month each.
This is true for Pakistan as well. Suzuki, Honda, and Toyota were the leading automakers for the past 3 decades. No automaker survived in the Pakistani market previously. But things have changed significantly in the past 6 years. Chinese have entered and took the majority of the market share from Honda. Toyota is still surviving. Suzuki is surviving due to small 660cc kei cars. Changan, Haval, and MG took the majority of the market share in medium to large sized vehicles. BYD has entered recently with deliveries of CBUs starting from January. They are setting up a factory in Karachi with capacity of 50,000 vehicles per annum. BYD's entry with factory starting in 2026 will be the nail in the coffin
In Bangkok recently, I noticed quite a lot of EVs by Neta which seem to be made by Hozon. A Chinese brand we haven't seen in Europe, possibly made in Thailand.
The writing has been on the wall for sometime and the Japanese just cannot see it. EVs are going to get cheaper and cheaper as particularly the cost of batteries drop and production scales up. EVs are going to become better and better over the next few years. It’s going to be compelling
The Viking never gives up to help the wife. It is so touching. I am battling prostate cancer so I hope in five years my results will be no more cancer. UCSF is my savior. Love them so much for treating me
A brand new NEV for $30000. I was just there and no large EV infrastructure which is needed but so many EVs. I was is Central America six months ago it already started. We are in for a global shift and America is not ready. We are fighting over DEI and wokeness.
Thailand is relevant, because it used to be very poor but has had some success. It represents a realistic path forward for billions in the impoverished world, as opposed to the old-money countries that lecture them for not acting white enough while sitting on fortunes extracted thru imperialism and slavery. Small agrarian countries with no oil cannot follow an American development path.
Much the same as the us leadership of the big 3 in the usa. Millions of people will be effected world wide at the disruption of gas powered vehicles, and not for the better
It is not accurate that German car makers ignored the Singapore market. In fact, before the arrival of BYD, BMW and Mercedes Benz together with Toyota were the top 3 brands with similar market shares. However, in 2024, BYD has taken the market leadership with about 1/3 or all new car sales, at the expense of all brands with the exception of Tesla and some super expensive cars brands.
My last trip to electronic stores in Japan: Japanese local smartphone brands are inferior in terms of quality, design and prices compared with non-japanese brands.
I'm imagining a nice AI generated meme with the caption: The end of the ICE age in Thailand, with a huge iceberg of Toyotas melting away on a nice beach in Thailand with little chinese EV insects flying around sipping nectar from flowers whose petals have the same color as the Thai flag.
I have two Honda CRVs in Indonesia, now seriously considering to buy Denza D9 when it hits the road in Indonesia next year. Hope your wife is getting better.
Southeast Asia is a "fair" market Japanese were here first, lots of local peoduction, lots of local executives especially here in Thailand But there's no anti-China tariffs so the playing field is equal And in those circumstances, Chinese cars are _dominating_ the Japanese ones.
The Thai car tariff was fair until the free trade agreement with China making Chinese EVs have no tariff while other countries' cars still face high tariff.
@undisclosedthai Japan has had a free trade agreement with Thailand since 2007 lol Stop making excuses and make better cars instead, maybe then people will buy it Oh, most Thai cars from Japan are built in Thailand so tariffs wouldn't have applied either way but keep the COPIUM pumping
it's probably also why the minister gave a heads up to Japan, we typically don't like to lose our long term partner relationships, and it's like, hey don't say we didn't warn you ok.
To most SEAsians, vehicles are meant to move from point A to B and back. From main wage earners, to move from home-works- home while for home maker's from home-school -market-home. Believe you me, SEAsians prefer to shop daily for their kitchen need, despite most home have refrigeration. Under such circumstances, SEAsians need two moving around vehicles at the cheapest and reliable but wouldn't hurt their pockets.
Wait till the BYD Shark will be launched in Thailand. Then the profit generating vehicle of Toyota & Isuzu will go down enormously. Rightfully as they did screw customers with crazy high prices and ongoingly dodging emission improvements. Hilux cleaner engine available in Europe but NOT in Thailand. Reason: lesser profit for them. A shame and my next car will be Chinese
I don't think so for two reasons. First, BYD Shark is not so inexpensive. Second, BYD Shark is double cab only. It has no single cab version and has no extra cab version. (In Thailand, Two-door pickups are cheaper annual tax (license plate tax) than four-door pickups which are passenger cars and not pickup by the law.)
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Mate, the most popular BYD model in Indonesia is the 3-row 6 or 7 seater MPV vehicle like the BYD M6. From the whole sales, that M6 is the top 9 best selling in the recent month of October or November 2024
I was in Bangkok 18 months ago and I could barely breathe, the pollution was so bad. I'm so happy to see EVs coming to Thailand!
I was in London at London Bridge in August a couple of years ago and it was terrible! People who are against EVs clearly do not have to deal with large cities
@@ouethojlkjnevs are not a problem ...the forcing of evs are the problem
Pollution is not that bad all the time in Bangkok, but yest they do need EVs - electric buses too!!
@ I just remember smelling exhaust from those thousands of shitty two strokes. They could really benefit from electric mopeds.
Just got back from Thailand. Still bad diesel pollution, but seeing more EVs and LOTS of EV ads.
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It’s abundantly clear that people want energy efficient electric cars that are actually affordable. And the Chinese manufacturers (BYD, Xpeng, MG, etc) are making it happen.
If i had a magic wand and i waved it, and every car on earth changed to all electric, guess what would happen?---Nothing,
nobody would be going anywhere. Why? The world doesn't generate enough power to charge them all.
John, we generate more than enough electricity from our rooftop to power a home, my wood shop, heat and cool a greenhouse, and power a Chevy Bolt EV. We have enough panels to power a second EV, and charge even more batteries and we will do so as we can.
@@johnday6392 People can have their own power grid for an EV. Last time I checked anyone can't buy a personal gas station
@@johnday6392Wow, you’re terrible at understanding basic Physics aren’t ya?
ALL of the Vehicles don’t charge at the same time.
You CANNOT wave a magic wand. It will take a couple decades to replace all NEW ICE Vehicles Sales with EVs, much less the ENTIRE world fleet. There’s plenty of Electricity being produced throughout the Day and Night. It’s only during peak demand hours that there’s not enough electricity.
Obviously nearly all vehicles in Norway are EVs and they’re doing just fine. Sweden, Finland, Denmark are all catching up with Norway as we speak. They’re ALSO doing fine.
China now sells OVER 55% of ALL new vehicles as Plugins in the largest automotive market in the entire world. They’re also doing fine.
Europe is far ahead of the US in General on EVs and Again, they’re doing fine.
Pretending that the US, the largest economy and per capita user of energy and electricity can’t do the same is absurd. Stop spreading FUD that wasn’t true 10 years ago. Now there’s literally more Solar and Renewable Energy going in both on the Grid and in people’s homes. Plus more and more Battery Storage is being installed both on Grid and in private homes and commercial buildings. Every building in the US is wired for electricity and millions of them have Solar Power and more and more have battery storage.
This is a nothing burger argument.
@@freeheeler09 Does this apply in the depths of a hard winter? Also, that means that every roof has to have solar panels,
and i mean every roof, who's going to pay for this, the government??
I have a Toyota in Indonesia, and now am looking to buy a BYD M6
you better ask those china chinese about owning ev first, especially byd.
@@vincenttan6303 come out of ur basement plz
@@diagonalview2105 huh why? you don't think china chinese would praise byd?
@@vincenttan6303 what
I live in Thailand. Chinese EVs are everywhere. Nissan is on life support here, Chevrolet is done, Ford Ranger and everest are the only 2 fords i have seen here, and now they are heavily discounted. BYD is growing in popularity, and i will likely purchase a seal in mid 2025 when the new battery is released. Japanese cars here are mostly toyota and isuzu trucks. Charging stations are popping up everywhere. The bulk of americans purchase hilux or ford rangers. I am waiting to see how well the BYD shark sakes will do upon arrival here.
Is the byd shark pickup going to be sold in Thailand?
@@randomname931Of course!
If you buy an electric car from China it will go down in value in the first year.
@@Gort2525 wait, you mean electric cars from other countries don't go down in value in the first year? sign me up!
@@Gort2525If you buy any vehicle and drive it off dealership, it instantly loses a big chunk off its value.
With fast evolving EV tech and shifty political situations, we decided to lease a car instead of buying one for my son here in the states. It was an ICE Subaru, only because it offered the best cost/performance ratio at the time due to insane prices they charge for EVs here. I personally drive a Model 3, though.
Here, in sunny Thailand, home solar systems are booming, not just for powering houses but also for charging EVs. For around $5,000, you can install a solar setup, and when paired with a Chinese EV like BYD, Neta, or Ora Good Cat, it costs the same or less than a Japanese car, and practically you’ll be running on free fuel.
That's what I love about owning Web EV in Australia! Since September (Spring), we've been running our car for free since our solar panels charge our car, love it!
Your reporting is spot on. Yes! This is happening in south east Asia. From Malaysia.
Lol ev is less than 5% of total sales in Malaysia. Top 3 best selling are all Japanese jv company
@@itisyouthatiadoreAiyo, big segments of the market come from below 100k. When miti removes the requirement or Proton brings in CKD EV, it will quickly eat the pie of the Japanese car manufacturers. If you look at the total sales, you may miss out the details. On similar segments and specs, the Chinese EVs are gaining market share
More EV sales will mean more load on the electrical grid, of which the national electrical utility company is not able to sustain nor provide unless they increase the load, supply and increasing grid connectivity and redundancy. More load requires more generation of power which currently uses carbon fuels to generate. Currently there is very limited use of solar or other means of power generation. There will come a time when the cost of fuel and cost of generation vs the supply becomes too wide and costs will increase. Tiered costs and time schedule of charging will impact costs in future. Expect doubling of tariffs as more and more EVs coming in to use. Currently, the cost of charging an EV is a tad bit lower than cost of refueling a normal car though cost of refueling EVs vs carbon emitting vehicles will normalize over time.
@saranjs3365 govt gonna increase fuel price coming july25
@Supsup8566 false assumption, unless the govt decided to double up petrol price like other asian nations, ev gonna still play 2nd fiddle to ice in msian market
All the best for your wife and the family mate. Keep up the great work.
I am Thai , hope your wife getting better soon. btw Sriphat Medical Center in Chiang Mai has good doctors in term of curing cancer.
They went to for some "alternative" treatment in Thailand, not an established clinic. It did not help to cure the cancer, which is not really surprising. But at least it made them feel better. She is in stage 4. Sadly I think they have to try to make the best of the time remaining.
We’ve had our Atto3 for just over two months. I wigged when I realised we had already saved more than $500AUD on U92 petrol.
We charge our EV for free since September with our solar panels, compared to paying $100/week in petrol. Massive savings 😄
@@LW78321
how much does EV charging solar panel cost you?
@@LW78321solar panels and EV are all Made in China. Chinese products save you money.
I hope and pray that your wife gets better
I agree…too many gasoline fumes emitted in ICE.
There are many cases where Ivermectin has cured stage four cancer.
I live in Ontario Canada, and the day they announced the 100% tariffs in Chinese EVs I can't describe how idiotic it sounded to me. If you don't want people buying Chinese products innovate! Don't hide behind tariffs that don't help anyone but the wealthy
China cornered the production and components of batteries in China by not allowing international company make their own oem batteries, now you know why US and other countries are raising the tariffs
Canada is a lapdog to USA. When USA says jump, Canada says how high? As you can see, being a patsy to the USA doesn't help you. Trump still disrespects Canada. Maybe Mexico, Canada and China should form a trade pact and leave USA out.
😂Their 100% tariff thing along with the follow up shhutting Mexico out from USMC thing are so stupid that I failed to feel any anger but kind of amusment out from such a rediculous situation. I am not sure if sad is a proper expression when the level goverment putting out this kind of comedy that makes 3 stoogies looks blend
Introducing high tariffs is simply dumb as the implementation of tariffs is reciprocated.
All that it does is increase costs for consumers leading to less money being spent on other local items and businesses...
US and Canadian regimes should have re labelled their cars as "freedom cars", that could work
I live in Thailand and we have been loving at a new car. We took out the BYD Sealion 6 HEV. And it’s amazing to drive. And only B1.1M (AUD$50k)
Now Toyota have brought out a sports SUV. Toyota Crown Sport, similar to the Sealion 6? But it’s cost is B3.3m (AUD$151k)
And in my opinion only. The BYD outclasses the Toyota in every way. Style, fitment, luxury, drivability, spec. And most of all price.
3x the cost?! That's crazy 😮
True, I took a Grab ride on a BYD and was very impressed by the ride and fit & finish of the car. I forgot the model but it was just an entry level compact EV.
With recent price reductions in Thailand the BYD Seal now starts at equivalent $30,000 USD.
WTF!!!!!!!!!! We, in Singapore, bought the BYD Seal for S$200,000.
@rogerfaint499 Singapore tax and COE Certificate of Entitlement makes cars there crazy expensive!!! Ouch,!!!
Let’s break it down. Assuming OMV is $41,000
COE $103,010
ARF for BYD Seal $49,400
Customs excise $8,200
GST 9% $4,428
Total = $206,038
Government green incentive ($40,000)
marketing cost, PDI, accessories, and G&A, let’s put it at $8,000 per car.
Cost = 174,038
Anything more you pay will be the dealer’s profit margin.
@@petrushka2 👍 nice work and summary! 🤑
@@petrushka2if you guys are talking SGD, those are 1 SGD to 0.74 US$.
So that's around $153,000! Is that correct?
Let's go, cheap EVs for everyone!
Chinese manufacturers are simple lowkey folks who saw a need becoming a want. So they just work hard and smart to meet the demands. They are just being humble good guys of the world, just like their forebears 5000 years ago.
You are so correct, if I lived in a highly polluted city I would want to do everything possible to reduce it to improve my living environment. Switching from gas to EV is a simple logical step and given that it’s much more affordable and well built, a no brainer.
😂😂😂👍👍👍 it is a natural logic to heath improvement, economic progress and happiness.
I live in Thailand and can see new Service Stations opening up almost every week. They usually have up to 20 pumps and 3 charging stations. On the other hand I can see Mazda Dealerships changing over to BYD.
Do you speak Thai ? Sawa dee, don’t really trust Chinese cars with the spying, even Japanese cars (world ear 2), but I do trust American and Europeans all about race, culture and history with me..,
Hi, Darwin. Your neighbour to the south. I live 15km from the biggest city. I have not seen a single new petrol station in the last 10 years. One has changed owners 3x. Five have closed, that I have been to.
It's not because of EV though. I've seen a handful of EVs the last few months. But very few. Thailand probably has far more EVs.
The last 5 years, no petrol station has been renovated. This is probably due to EVs though. Everybody is just waiting to see what happens. The pumps, buildings, etc has noticably get more worn, but everybody knows if you invest more money in renovation, if EVs comes in, you would lose everything.
At Thailand Motor Expo 2024, which ended on December 10th, BYD received 7042 orders, ranking second. The first place is Toyota, with 8297 vehicles.
But you should know, BYD only entered the Thai market in November 2022, and it was loved by consumers in such a short time.
@@robbiesheppard3280 lol do you know who Edward Snowden is? 😂
Chinese are amateurs at spying - it's not them you have to worry abt lol
@@amandagrant4331that's probably a 30%+ drop for Toyota coming in 2025 vs 2023
And for other Japanese brands could be more than that
Thanks! WIsh you and family all the best!
My wife passed away four years ago from her second cancer. Please know that she clearly loved you and your kids. So sorry to hear about this.
Here here 😊😊
Exactly. The cost of EVs will continue to fall due to advancing technologies and economies of scale.
At the same time, the cost of ICE vehicles will rise as their market share declines.
This marks the end of the ICE age.
hehe the sencond ice age ending
EVs definitly will dominate the market like quartz watches, but only those fuel-efficient Japanese cars will be wiped out, while cool racing car will survive like those luxury Swiss watch.
@@SunnySGG porche will never make an EV because the acceleration of EVs are terrible ... 🙄😁
It does make a hybrid and sold in Thailand at 3 times the price due to 200 % import duty. c@danielch6662
Chinese cars are cheap due to being subsidised and low tax / duties.
The arrogance of Toyota's chairman said it all.
Toyota STILL betting on hydrogen.
Its just a joke now.
California experiment is more than enough to proof its NOT working.
There is a lawsuit pending.
NOT Hydrogen cars in Japan itself.
Actually, its arrogance of the whole automaker, and mindset of japanese in general. No japanese car maker made much investment in EV, lack of investment from government. And general trust and high confidence of japanese people in their own culture, legacy, and own way of life. They just pretend they dont know anything outside of Japan. You see their position of not apologizing for past war history, and still worshipping the war criminals today, even among politician, says it all.
I dont think it is the issue of arrogance, it is ignorance.
The Japanese CEO was amazingly stubborn. 😂😂
@@sneakymove Toyota runs the mafia, thats why all jap cars look the same. Toyota will rule the world with hydrogen...........because everyone knows they are right..........
Japan’s auto mafia decided they didn’t want to make EVs…now they have ruined their auto industry
It’s unbelievable that the Japanese still think Hydrogen fuel cell cars are the future when there has been more than a decade of failure
They committed to hydrogen, and are stuck in the ditch, unable to admit that they can't get hydrogen to work.
another kodak
@@danielch6662 They are committed to hydrogen, and now they need oxygen. Well, they just committed hydrokiri.
@@PhiloSurfer this needs to be top comment
I am living in Singapore and Indonesia. I see many BYDs and other smaller Chnese EV cars appearing on the roads. Top ones are Atto 3, M6, Seal, Geely, Wuling Air EV, Wuling Coud EV, Chery Omoda, a few MGs and NETAs.
You are seeing exactly what Carl Zha is reporting in Indonesia.
Toyota, Honda and Japan as a whole have failed miserably for not adopting Nissan & Carlos Ghosn's lead in BEVs well over a decade ago. Today, China has surpassed Japan in every BEV metric. Too little, too late. Arrogance has its pitfalls.
And what happened afterward? They criminalize that gaijin
@lucky889s9 A great example of Japanese government (executive, judicial) and corporate collusion and corruption.
Nissan with its leaf and Toyota with its Prius were expected to be the forerunners of what ev,s would look like in future but they preferred to continue raking in the profits with their ice cars and thought that the Chinese would never be able to get ev engineering right.
Nissan are in big trouble in the UK. They initially had a lead with the leaf, but as of today you can pick up a brand new Nissan Leaf from dealers discounted to £17995 from 29K . I’ve never seen discounts like this and they are still not shifting cars.
@@oliverdickens4641 Nissan Leaf is at least a full step behind what China currently offers, so they're simply not competitive. Nissan Ariya is a little better, quite handsome, but it's nowhere near as good as the latest Chinese cars with Huawei automation. Thus, Nissan is forced to sell on price with big discounts.
Thanks
I sometimes don't agree with you but enjoy your content on the whole. Sorry to hear for your troubles. Best wishes for your wife and family.
all the best to your wife.
And you video just shows exactly what the videos of Tesla Björn during Thai visits show
He use many footages in his videos, but I don't see Bjorn's footages here.
Viking is most up to date on EV. keep up your good contribution. I never miss your tubes.
What Thailand could also really use is a lot of electric scooters. So many scooters in Thailand.
Wow, that's impressive, thank you for the news, I am so thankful for the information
It's clear that people wanted hi tech cars but affordable 😊
Dude . . . Hopes and Prayers for the Wife !!
When I was last in Thailand in Oct 2022 I was amazed at how many EVs I saw, I saw multiple GWM Ora EVs on the roads, even saw one in rural Thailand in the mountains near the Thai border near Hua Hin. In Bangkok I saw BYD e6 taxis that are an old design from 2009 and also lots of MGs everywhere. At the time I was seeing more EVs than I would on an average day in Melbourne. It makes sense, fuel is the same price as it is in Australia but their wages are much less so it's more of an issue with costs of ownership compared to places like Australia and USA.
I am Thai from Rayong industrial province of Thailand. I have solar cell at my home and I use NETA V. You need to plan ahead when travel but it damm cheaper then gasoline.
Saw a lot of those Aion taxis when in Thailand. Lots of MG and BYD's in personal ownership too.
I have taken BYD taxi in Bangkok
BYD taxis are still rare. So you are lucky. Maybe as "premium taxis" at the Airport only, I think. The Thai EV taxis are (currently) mostly Aion ES and MG EP
Thanks!
Welcome!
Have 2 EVs in Thailand Ora Good cat and MG SE EV. Love them both. Also have a Lion Electric motorbike. Love it. Love your channel too. If you could do a few videos on the embryonic electric motorbike market that would be great.
I’m from Indonesia. You hit the nail on the head. Whilst “Climate Change” might not resonate with most people here, “POLLUTION” affects everyone in 3 biggest cities here everyday, especially pollution from ICE car tailpipes. EV adoption is getting a lot of support from influential and powerful people in Business and Government. Even the Grab and rideshare drivers here frequently talk about it and are knowledgeable about EVs. They understand that it is better for them and their children
Indonesia's plan for a 250MW nuclear power plant must be quadrupled to meet expected electricity demand by 2035
You've been blessed with extra time 🎉🎉 keep using it well. Don't over work please. 😊
Being Asian indeed the emergence of EV's is a godsend for pollution issues
That Chinese land rover looks to be one of the best trucks. All 4 wheels turn no longer requires 40 acres to park a truck
Haha this is a joke car
@@Ken-qk1jj Lol, so says the 'joker.'
@Ken-qk1jj look twice it's a real thing
Toyota CEO saying few people want EVs is like a Kodak CEO saying film sales are here to stay in the year 2000.
Fools. And imagine their arrogance. They will fall hard. N fast
I predicted China will ultimately dominate. Just didn't think that fast. The EV will make China the king. Japan will fall, n if they drop on electronics, phones n now cars, Japan will decline even
faster.
Kodak's back in business. They have a gadget.
@@patrickkoh1056not only electronic and technology but their populations also declining
As One BYD buyer said - I thought I bought a car; but now I realize I bought a phone.
😂The so called phone. Demolished following markets:" GPS, Digital Camera( except DSLR), flash light, hand held game console, portable music player." so, for better or worse. It happens.
@@林振华-t4v yes perhaps but you throw it away ever few years in the junk bin.
@@litestuffllc7249, liar!
Toyota and Honda still have a presence in Thailand. But i noticed honda are starting to be seen less and less. Toyota have the truck/ute market with Ford close behind. When a decent EV truck comes along, toyota and ford will start to shrink in sales. EVs are everywhere now
Problem with Japanese,Korean and European manufacturers they still doesnt want to reduce their price although the quality isn't the same as they are used to be.
Car discounts (by the automakers themselves) seem like a betrayal of the consumer who just bought it, like the Steam game discounts.
means they got too much profit all this time😅
Forget EV and cars, just take a look at japanese laptop brands. Back then having a japanese brand laptop is considered a luxury. But nowadays, even japanese big electronics retailers are filled with either taiwan/chinese brands. I saw one of the latest japanese brand laptop and I dont like it, quality and design are inferior compared to the chinese/taiwanese counterpart.
Cannot believe I said this, I prefer MSI/Lenovo over toshiba/fujitsu. Why would I spend more money for japanese brands if I can get superior laptops from non-japanese brands?
The key to Japan automotive industry for so long to keet ahead of competition : reliable.
But nowadays not many people want that anymore and many Japanese cars are unbearably boring with very poor features, if consumers have options to choose they will switch in no time.
That's when the Chinese came offering them the option they wanted.
For China the key seems to be : handsome looking cars, futuristic, rich in features, and affordable.
Hi Viking, check out the scene in the Arabian Gulf countries. In Dubai alone there are 40,000 EV's and the local utility provider has installed 800 chargers. Brands like Tesla, BYD, MG and Xpieng arre taking over. Sincerely hope your wife gets well.
Here in Cambodian capital, Phnom Penh, on Monivong blvd, Zeekr dealership took over a Mazda one this year and across the street from it, another Chinese EV took over an old Audio dealership. This year there are more ATTO3s, Seals and Sea lions on our road, even the luxurious Zeerk MPV are going around. That said, Land Cruiser and Hilux are still dominating our roads. But the writing is on the wall. We just need more charging stations. I hope the Japanese brands build EVs quickly and cheaply too.
This is just like the Kodak syndrome moment when you are too late to the party and the door has already closed.
it's late but not too late. They still have major presence. There are still a lot of Japanese ICE fans that willing to do their bidding. But they need to act fast, because the number is steadily decreasing.
Good article to mention these long emerging markets. That hipster you had on recently about finger pointing in BYD's error in having too many models is pretty much answered here.
They do... they are hiding the fact they are losing money on EV... pricing to the bottom but they have unlimited government money to play with. Putting Western companies from competing in many of the markets. That is the game plan.
Ive been in Thailand 11 years now. When I first moved here, you would be crazy to buy anything but a Toyota. Toyota owned the market, and commanded a premium price - That has changed very quickly. Both of my GF's brothers work for tier 2 automotive suppliers here. Speaking with them they are both worried about their jobs. They figure another 8-12 months before more plants start shutting down.
Looking at Ford, last year a 1 year old Raptor v6 was selling for over 2 million baht. You look today, a 1 year old raptor is 1.6million or so
Heck Great Wall Motors swallowed up the Chevy plant and started spiting out vehicles in record time. BYD has started production here, GIC Angan and Changwan are here now.
Will be interesting to see what the market will look like in 5 years.
GAC Aion (and Hyptec)
ChangAn Deepal (and Lumin)
I did not see Chinesse Cars in Bangkok when I had a meeting in TBAS about 6 years ago, but now is different....
I have talked to some leaders of Chinese automakers that don't export unless the cars reached top level quality. The Korean automakers made a huge mistake in rushing to export cheap poor quality cars to the US and have to take that reputation for 20years even after the quality improved. China EV did very well domestically before exploring the overseas market.
The Philippines has 100 million people and could also be a big market as well,
BYD and other EVs are now showing up in numbers, and I regret having bought my Toyota Raize a year ago....
I want an ATTO-3 ....
Japan, Germany, the USA etc....... all in denial that their auto industries are cooked. Personally, I am looking forward to my new Geely Coolray.
Tesla is in both China and Germany, in addition to the US. Legacy Automakers are who you’re describing.
The CEO of Ford acknowledged publicly that they're cooked -- they just don't know what they can do about it. But China itself should be worried about the "next billion" developing rapidly behind them, in SE Asia, S America, and Africa, who will eventually do the same to them.
I bought BYD Seal and a happy customer after 6 months using it. I will never buy an ICE car again
Thanks for the update Sam
Not yet in the Philippines apparently. Most people here still worship the brand Toyota and EV chargers are so few and far between outside of Metro Manila. There is also bias against Chinese car brands that's outdated but people aren't keen on updating their perspective.
That’s why Philippines won’t get any better
Consumers in the Philippines have long acquired a taste for American whims and fancies 🇵🇭
EV's in Thailand and Malaysia are tax exempted until end 2025. Hence it's able to compete in price with heavily taxed Japanese ICE cars.
What is interesting is, certain Chinese ICE vehicles are already outselling Japanese ones in Malaysia.
Pollution in bangkok are caused by burning of paddy fields after harvesting.
shocked to see how fast Jaecoo ICE is selling in Malaysia.
Heavily taxed Japanese ICE? What are you talking about
There are entire cities in Thailand dedicated to Japanese ICE localized production they are not heavily taxed.
Maybe if you state facts, you will have better credibility. Japanese and other makes of EV enjoy the same tax benefits, not just Chinese. For Ice cars, Chinese Ice cars are subjected to same tarrifs as everyone else. You write as if Chinese cars get special exemptions, so can compete. So sickening to see a Mslay name spewing the same Western bias and nonsense.
The pollution in Bangkok is from the massive amount of diesel exhaust. Until that is addressed all the EV craze won't help the pollution as much as people think or want.
Japan has the most efficiently-produced ICE vehicles in the world. Toyota stands out at the very top. China realized they could not compete with that and stopped barking up that tree. They planted their own EV tree that is now growing exponentially and they are perched right on top.
You are correct that we need more EV brands in Indonesia. We have BYD, Geely, Wuling, MG, and Aion, but not yet Xpeng, Zeekr, etc. And in Indonesia particularly, we care about after-sales and resale value, so the challenge for these Chinese manufacturers is to prove that they can provide good after-sales in at least big cities (which are spread across the big islands which require good logistics planning) and somehow provide innovative mechanisms to alleviate some concerns about resale value.
semakin bertambah populasi dan bukti kualitas maka semakin tinggi resale valuenya.
This is what happened when they start charging outrageous prices for even basic cars like a Corolla or Civic.I remembered it was easy to get one of those budget cars for less than $16/17k.
Bejing China also used to obscene amounts of air pollution in the city until they started making it extremely expensive to renew license plates every year. China made much cheaper to own eVs.
Several years later air pollution is reduced!
Looking purely at policy, Shanghai would be a better example and air quality there is comparable to major cities in Canada and the US now.
Beijing suffers from severe desert storms so the numbers are skewed.
BYD: its the Best for You and your Dependents.
I like your content but just thought it worth pointing out that having lived in Indonesia for over a decade, Nissan were never a major player and it was extremely rare spotting one of their cars on the streets.
Great analysis
i already saving about $14,000,still a long journey to get my EV dream,now i still stick with 13yr car.wish me luck :)
You can buy a good electric car in China for $14,000.
It's over for Japan. Arrogance, complacency and corruption saturate their corporate and political arenas. RIP to Japan's global relevance. Being a US lapdog has its pitfalls.
South Korea has done just fine with EVs and Batteries. Clearly that’s not the problem.
And you are the Lap Dog of China , Richard.
@DavidC-pg6ni not for long.
There's oil and sparepart mafias in Japan. There's a lot of money involved with sparepart suppliers for ICE and hybrids. Some high ranking execs are also sparepart suppliers. That's where they're making big profit.
The only brand making EV was Nissan because Carlos Ghosn forced them to make Leaf. Along the way, cutting of suppliers and middlemen, pissing them off as enemy. We all know what happened, they criminalize that Gaijin after
Absolutely agree. Big respect to their mechanical engineering; no cars and bikes can cop the thrashing and keep working reliably as Jap machines 😎💪🏻
I am from Malaysia and chinsse are 15 percent cheaper with all featurea provided. The japanese have less featires. Chinese warranty 10 years or 100,000 km whuchever cone first while Japanese car offfer 5 to 7 years warranty. There is NO Brainer decision.
In the past people complain of China engine reliability and China smart, offer 10 years warranty..There is no more Arguement.
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and experience. It has been incredibly valuable to me. I look forward to the opportunity to learn more from you in the future.
I am so sorry to hear about your wife, you and your boys.
I know first hand how that feels. Stay strong for her and for your boys.
Prayers for all of you.
Japan did this to themselves! They lit the fire for alternatively-powered cars with the Prius, and then dropped the ball.
Before the prius there was the Ev1 and electric rav4, then they dropped the ball and made the Prius, a half attempt at an eco car, not much of a lead.
Like Japan trounced the British car & motorcycle company's in the 60s & 70s. Now Chinese are trouncing the world by making massive Investment on new technology not living on there morals like Japan & the British still stuck in the groove turning out the same old crap year after year. British company's suffered no input of investment into future technology & research just share holders taking the profit and putting nothing back in.
P/s from what I can gather from the internet most company's in china puts back in 70% of income/ profit back into research and development.
@@alunjones4427many don’t make profit. Most are running significant losses.
There will be way less Chinese Automakers within another decade. Same for Legacy automakers.
" not living on there morals like Japan"
Ha Ha Ha
Not resting on their laurels like Japan
I hope your wife will recover completely. All the best to you and your family.
Living in Thailand with all the new Chinese Electric cars entering the market, it is hard to understand why anyone would buy an ICE car. In every segment except for maybe the large SUV (Toyota Fortuner) segment and pick-up single and extended cab segment there is an EV for a comparable or cheaper price than a similar ICE model. Even the 4 door pick-up market has the Geely Riddara now for the equivalent of $41,400 Australian to just under $60,000 for all wheel drive and acceleration of 0-100 in 4.5 seconds. You can buy a Neta V that compares to the Toyota Yarris for under $21,000 Australian. My friend has a CRV that he wanted to replace with a new one. The cheapest CRV was just over $64,000 Australian, the top of the line was $78,000 Australian. He bought a top of the line all electric BYD Sealion7 all wheel drive for $57,500 Australian. The Japanese just can't compete with the Chinese cars, the Americans, other than for Ford, and the Europeans, other than for BMW and Mercedes, don't even try.
I understand that there are many reasons why Thai people still buy ICE cars so much in 2024.
1. In Toyota Honda Isuzu, Thai people trust. (High brand loyalties and high of social accepting) In Chinese products, they don't. (Chinese products in general are crap.)
2. Anti-EV sentiments are high, just not aggressive like in the US
3. Fears of EV fires, EV explodes, EV short-circuits
4. Not conveniences in using EVs such as few charging stations or long charging times
5. Few of social accepting in EVs. The social trend is still on fuel cars. In Thailand, EV sales is just about 10-15% of all cars.
SEA market is unique. Only Singapore and Malaysia presents mature Europe/North America-like car market pattern with local quirks.
Thailand is mid-income trapped, Indonesia and Philippines is poor low income and seemingly never grow, while Vietnam is poor but very aspirant. The rest can be safely ignored (e.g. Brunei - despite being high income).
Japanese makes just simply commits and fight for their pie. They are accompanied by European, mainly the Germans who established their presence mainly based on brand recognition - they dominate the luxury market. Americans are basically forgetable, lack of commitment and inability to follow through, basically Katy Perry's "Hot and Cold". South Koreans are also serious, they want to be the next Japan and they did it by not only undercutting, but also offering better tech and value. But they quickly cashed in and view themselves as part of the establishment too soon. The most disappointing aspect of our car market is how quickly G7 imperialist market players settled down after trying so hard to compete, and become part of the industry cartel.
The biggest impact from Chinese car is indeed Thailand and Indonesia, but surprisingly Malaysia (Geely owns Proton) and Singapore too. Singapore was said to be swamped by a lot of high end Chinese EV brands.
The biggest move is probably when Hyundai dumped money here and put their blades on Japanese's throat. It forced Japan car makers to improve their Indonesian model standards - active safety systems, ABS EBD become standard equipment, including airbags in lowest trim (yes, Japanese were that awful), and most importantly, car infotainment systems. Turns out people wanted more than just vast dealer network for easier maintenance access and fake resale value.
But unfortunately for the Korean and inadvertently, the Japanese, the Chinese entered the game like a wrecking ball.
The Ioniq 5 was once 800ish million IDR, lauded and quite dominated our EV scene. It is locally made in West Java. But today, after the Chinese wrecked the market, it gets a massive 20% discount. For the first time since 1998 financial crisis, I witness a new 2025 model actually went down in price or stayed the same with plenty of upgrades - we have several Japanese hybrid models that is under 500 million IDR. Back then, Prius used to be "luxury car" for Indonesians. For long, they have been profitting too much and complacent.
This is an ignorant and outdated characterization of Asean countries. That's why I will never trust Western judgements of these countries. Go out and stay in each of these countries for a month each.
EV are becoming popular in Asia unlike Europe or North America
This is true for Pakistan as well. Suzuki, Honda, and Toyota were the leading automakers for the past 3 decades. No automaker survived in the Pakistani market previously. But things have changed significantly in the past 6 years. Chinese have entered and took the majority of the market share from Honda. Toyota is still surviving. Suzuki is surviving due to small 660cc kei cars.
Changan, Haval, and MG took the majority of the market share in medium to large sized vehicles. BYD has entered recently with deliveries of CBUs starting from January. They are setting up a factory in Karachi with capacity of 50,000 vehicles per annum. BYD's entry with factory starting in 2026 will be the nail in the coffin
In Bangkok recently, I noticed quite a lot of EVs by Neta which seem to be made by Hozon. A Chinese brand we haven't seen in Europe, possibly made in Thailand.
Neta is a Chinese brand and has a factory in Bangkok (put into production in 2023).
@@amandagrant4331 thanks, I couldn't confirm quickly so I only said 'possibly'.
The writing has been on the wall for sometime and the Japanese just cannot see it. EVs are going to get cheaper and cheaper as particularly the cost of batteries drop and production scales up. EVs are going to become better and better over the next few years. It’s going to be compelling
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A brand new NEV for $30000. I was just there and no large EV infrastructure which is needed but so many EVs. I was is Central America six months ago it already started. We are in for a global shift and America is not ready. We are fighting over DEI and wokeness.
US propaganda just few months ago were saying that the EV market is slowing. lol
@@zackwang9314 propaganda will only go so far. The disruption is far superior than any ideology or myth the media portrays
We also enabled most of Chinas advancement when we started outsourcing our manufacturing and technologies.
Thailand is relevant, because it used to be very poor but has had some success. It represents a realistic path forward for billions in the impoverished world, as opposed to the old-money countries that lecture them for not acting white enough while sitting on fortunes extracted thru imperialism and slavery. Small agrarian countries with no oil cannot follow an American development path.
A new Toyota Prius in Japan costs €17.000,- That same car costs in The Netherlands €45.000,-
Here in Sri Lanka, the new Prius costs 79,000 USD.
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All the best for your love one so sorry for you
Amazing how bad Japanese automaker leadership is.
Much the same as the us leadership of the big 3 in the usa. Millions of people will be effected world wide at the disruption of gas powered vehicles, and not for the better
'big' 3 in USA already being smashed by USAs own disruptor, Tesla.
Definitely for the better.
It is not accurate that German car makers ignored the Singapore market. In fact, before the arrival of BYD, BMW and Mercedes Benz together with Toyota were the top 3 brands with similar market shares. However, in 2024, BYD has taken the market leadership with about 1/3 or all new car sales, at the expense of all brands with the exception of Tesla and some super expensive cars brands.
China Jiyue EV auto...hope you can cover.
hardly any Japanese mobiles phones now..
My last trip to electronic stores in Japan: Japanese local smartphone brands are inferior in terms of quality, design and prices compared with non-japanese brands.
I'm imagining a nice AI generated meme with the caption: The end of the ICE age in Thailand, with a huge iceberg of Toyotas melting away on a nice beach in Thailand with little chinese EV insects flying around sipping nectar from flowers whose petals have the same color as the Thai flag.
I have two Honda CRVs in Indonesia, now seriously considering to buy Denza D9 when it hits the road in Indonesia next year.
Hope your wife is getting better.
all the best wishes to your wife and your family.....cheers.....
Southeast Asia is a "fair" market
Japanese were here first, lots of local peoduction, lots of local executives especially here in Thailand
But there's no anti-China tariffs so the playing field is equal
And in those circumstances, Chinese cars are _dominating_ the Japanese ones.
The Thai car tariff was fair until the free trade agreement with China making Chinese EVs have no tariff while other countries' cars still face high tariff.
@undisclosedthai Japan has had a free trade agreement with Thailand since 2007 lol
Stop making excuses and make better cars instead, maybe then people will buy it
Oh, most Thai cars from Japan are built in Thailand so tariffs wouldn't have applied either way but keep the COPIUM pumping
it's probably also why the minister gave a heads up to Japan, we typically don't like to lose our long term partner relationships, and it's like, hey don't say we didn't warn you ok.
To most SEAsians, vehicles are meant to move from point A to B and back. From main wage earners, to move from home-works- home while for home maker's from home-school
-market-home. Believe you me, SEAsians prefer to shop daily for their kitchen need, despite most home have refrigeration. Under such
circumstances, SEAsians need two moving around vehicles at the cheapest and reliable but wouldn't hurt their pockets.
Japanese automakers have completely missed the EV boat.
Bankruptcy looms for Japanese automakers.
Great insight!
In Thailand, EV vehicles are gaining market share.
Is China electric car good?
Wait till the BYD Shark will be launched in Thailand. Then the profit generating vehicle of Toyota & Isuzu will go down enormously.
Rightfully as they did screw customers with crazy high prices and ongoingly dodging emission improvements. Hilux cleaner engine available in Europe but NOT in Thailand. Reason: lesser profit for them.
A shame and my next car will be Chinese
I don't think so for two reasons. First, BYD Shark is not so inexpensive. Second, BYD Shark is double cab only. It has no single cab version and has no extra cab version. (In Thailand, Two-door pickups are cheaper annual tax (license plate tax) than four-door pickups which are passenger cars and not pickup by the law.)