Track Laying Glue or Pin? at Chadwick Model Railway | 38.
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Hi Charlie.
First time I have felt I should give feedback for one of your vids. I was always a pinner, now I will be a gluer. I have problems with my hands and all that fine drill work causes me diffiiculty.
The mirror tip is especially useful, as maintaining track accuracy was always a problem for me. I have used a straight edge, but when pinning it always seemed to wander off line.
Also, I used to pin in the middle of the track - from here on in I will pin the outer edge of each sleeper.
Now I only need to pin at the rail joint - the glue will take care oif the rest.
Please keep the vids coming - you probably have no idea how much unneccessary labour and anguish you save us poor artisans. It is a pleasure to watch one so experienced. As ever a picture is worth a 1000 words!
Regards,
Randal (I am a Pentax user, by the wat)
Randal, it’s comments such as yours that make the production of these videos worthwhile.
Good luck with your layout.
Regards Charlie
I used to pin now I use copydex it's brilliant for holding the track saves so much pinning I do put a couple in larger points and glue as well just to make sure.
I always pin my track to make adjustments and reuse much easier/cheaper.
Absolutely extremely helpful video for a beginner....thank you for making it easy to understand!
That’s very kind of you to say so. Regards, Charlie
I don't have a model railroad but I really enjoyed watching you laying track and I'm going to watch all the videos you have available. Its very relaxing.
That’s very kind of you to say so Jack.
Regards Charlie
Love the way you take your time. Step by step, never skipping a detail. Very informative. Thank you.
You are so welcome MSR, I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it.
My parents and older brother spent untold time and money putting together a slot car race track for me and my little brother for Christmas 1969. It encompassed every inch of a 4' X 8' X3/4" piece of plywood. On Christmas eve night, after me and my brother went to bed they set the elaborate set up on top of the dining room table and it took up most the space in the room. Well, after about a week it was time to move the whole set-up to the den area in our basement. Unfortunately when the set-up was lifted and moved the board, in which the tracks were attached by wood screws, flexed badly when moving and wound up breaking nearly every joint in the track sections. They had overbuilt everything but forgot to attach any bracing underneath to prevent flexing. They made several attempts to repair the breaks but it never did work right again. There were always dead spots in the tracks that when repaired two more would pop up. After a while, we lost interest in it and it just sat gathering dust for years in the basement. I don't remember what happened to it but I sure wish I had it now.
What a sad tale. Great joy followed by much disapointment.
Thank you Charlie for making laying track not to be a nightmare, magazine's can be helpful but the actual visual is so much more informative. Thank you so much for going to the effort to help us.
That’s very kind of you to say so Stuart.
Another great video Charlie. Like how you pinned the outside of the sleeper instead of the middle and one hole for the wires from your tracks to the underneath of your board's, so simple when you think about it but needs people like you to show us. Look forward to your next video Charlie, keep up the good work. All the best, Shawn.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Shawn and thanks for the comment.
Thank you for a very thorough presentation. My son, daughter and I are just getting involved with model trains and this type of information is very valuable. I will be working through your catalogue of videos.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video Mark. Good luck with your layout. Regards Charlie
Thanks for all that detail, just about to lay some track for the first time for 40 years and now feel more confident to start.
Guy, I'm so pleased that you found the video useful.
Regards Charlie
Charlie only recently discovered your videos. Thank you, they are informative, very helpful and superbly well put together in terms of content, composition and editing.
Thanks so much. I’m so pleased that you enjoyed them.
Hopefully you have subscribed too.
thank you for the lesson,I enjoy your teaching skills and your wisdom about the worlds greatest hobby.Cheers from Florida,U.S.A
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Hi Jeff, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards Charlie.
Happened on this valuable video today. At long last I have space for building a layout and found this invaluable. On strength of this, subscribed to your channel and bookmarked this video. Power to you!
Hi, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video and it’s great to have you onboard. Regards Charlie
Another good video. After a 55 year break from model railways I've taken it up again. I took your advice with a magnet to check my track. So surprised that a lot of track I bought on a whim a few years ago was in fact steel. Great tip.
Hi John, I’m so pleased that you found the video useful.
Hopefully you have subscribed too.
Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie,
many thanks for taking time out to produce these very useful vids. As I always say you never stop learning.
Regards, Dave.
I’m so pleased that you enjoy them Dave
Really enjoyed the video Charlie, particularly the idea of pinning outside the rails....very useful as always, love the easy going style and your clear methods.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Stephen.
Greetings from Wintery Melbourne. I'm starting my first big layout and your video's are so so insightful and will save me making so many mistakes. A big big thanks. Keep them coming.
Hi Mark, from a blistering hot England (this isn’t normal).
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video.
Good luck with your layout.
Regards Charlie
Wow, thanks for such a clear demo of soldering.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Paul.
Great video Charlie Very helpful. Since following you I to now glue my track down as it lowers the noise so much. Thank you for great tips. Bravo sir
Glad to help QC. Regards Charlie.
I am pretty new to the hobby and my son and I are building our first layout. I learn so much from this channel so thank you. The best thing so far was finding out about the re-railer from Peco. My son is only 3 so can now put his trains onto the track all by himself and he loves it!
Thank you.
Thanks Ben, it’s comments such as yours that make it worthwhile.
Thanks Charlie - just getting to the point where I'm laying track on a shelf shunter. Very useful information.
Thanks Pat, I’m so pleased that you find the channel useful. Regards Charlie
Finally about to begin planning my first layout. Boards made, and occupying space in their new home. Bingeing on Charlie’s vids has made me much more confident of it being a success!
That’s great news Julian, I wish you good luck. Regards Charlie
Very informative, Very helpful, I very much enjoyed watching and learning .
Thanks Karl, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Great video Charlie. Tools I never would have even thought of. I can't wait until I can get started on my layout.
Thanks and good luck with your layout.
Another excellent video. Thanks Charlie
You’re welcome Kriso. Regards Charlie
A really good instructional video. I thought I knew everything how to glue/pin the track...but this video provided me with some new hints.
I’m so pleased that you found it useful.
A great video, thank you for all the information on doing track work.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it
Just discovered your channel tonight. Fantastic tuition I will be tuning in often as I hopefully recindle my childhood hobby. Thank you.
It’s great to have you onboard Kevin.
Hopefully you have subscribed too.
Regards Charlie
_Table leg elevators,_ just like at the Deli! Excellent idea, sir, and I thank you for sharing it with us all!
My son made a box for the Dremel tool, that turned it into a miniature table saw. Great for consistent cuts, or grinding of model parts.
Hi Odee, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video. It’s great to have you onboard. Regards Charlie
No worries Charlie. You have provided me with some inspiration in my retirement years. 👍👏
I model and used to exhibit in N gauge. I do exactly as you do with one exception. I put my pins in the centre of the track NEXT to the sleeper. I half push the pin in and then fold it over the sleeper. After balasting I then remove the pins with pliers thus avoiding holes in sleepers. Cheers, Bob
There’s more than one way to skin a cat. Bob, I’m pleased that your way works too.
Charlie, this was really helpful. Thanks. I also appreciate using railroad books as weights -- I have a lot of them. Nice to know there is a choice between pins or glue -- and/or using both were applicable. - Dean from cold Minnesota USA
Hi Dean, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Good luck with your layout.
Regards Charlie.
Fantastic informative video. A lot of patience is required to lay the tracks. Hope to see more of such videos from you. Thank you.
Hi Donald,
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Regards Charlie
Hope to see more Charlie.
Thanks Charlie for another great video - really useful for when I start my new layout :-) my first one was just an oval, but my new one will be an end to end, so new ideas and how to’s are really useful to improve what I will have
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed Liam.
Thank you for your videos. I always find them useful and with many good tips and ideas
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed them GB.
An excellent instructional video. Thank you.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it DJ.
Thank you Charlie. Just found your videos as I was starting to lay track on my first ever layout. You have saved me a lot of hassle (and possible swearing lol) Will be using glue over pins for sure. I have poor grip in my fingers, so this will make life easier for me. Your time, making these videos is very much appreciated. Kind regards Hamish
I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it LC.
Hi Charlie, very informative video! Thank you for posting.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Matt.
Great video and the perfect amount of details to explain what is going on.
I am keen to see how it all progresses.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video. Regards Charlie
Great tip about cutting track from the side rather than on top!!! Thank you so much.
You’re most welcome, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
I found this incredibly useful thank you Charlie. Your videos are beautifully shot and informative. Now I have subscribed and I need to go back and catch up on all your back content! Looking forward to seeing Chadwick develop. Cheers, Andrew
Andrew you’re too kind.
I’m so pleased that you enjoy my videos and good luck with your layout.
Another great video Charlie 😊 Really enjoyed that one on laying track as I’ve always had a dilemma on pins or glue........🤔 Think you’ve show there’s not a lot in it!! Have a nice weekend Stevie.
Hi Stevie, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Have a good one too.
Excellent video, the idea pinning outer sleeper so good, not what I did and as you say the centre pinning makes the sleeper dip.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Richard.
Another excellent inspiration. Neither a pinner nor a gluer shall I be - I will keep using screws, but I will use the tracksetta, the piece of wood and the 6 ft way guide. Thanks Charlie
If it works for you PC. Regards Charlie
Another great video Charlie. Have downloaded everyone you have made so far. Keep up the good work. My garage is waiting to be plastered, hopefully next week, then painting etc. The train build will then start (after I have watched all your videos again). Cheers.
Hi PG,
I’m so pleased that you’re enjoying them. Say tuned.
Regards Charlie
Another great video Charlie, I’m now using most of your tips on re laying my layout. Most interesting is you wanting a wider gap between the UP and DOWN lines, prototypically on multiple track lines (2 tracks in each direction) the gap between the UP and DOWN is set at 10 foot ... and hence is known as the 10 foot, to my eye as a (now retired) train driver when you laid the track out, it looked more realistic. Keep these excellent videos going, I really enjoy them
Thanks Gary that’s most kind of you to say so mate.
Regards Charlie
Brilliant charlie you make it so easy i just throw mine up but not any more thanks to this video
Always happy to watch your video's Charlie thanks for sharing thanks paul
Hi Paul, if I can inspire then my job is done. I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
@@ChadwickModelRailway i normally skip videos but yours i dont i watch it send the kids out and wife out lol are you going to the nec in November??
Yes, hopefully I’ll be there on the Sunday.
As always, another great video full of very good tips. I particularly like the idea of attaching the droppers to the underside of the track rail. Will look forward to your next video. Cheers Greg
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Greg.
Thank You. As always well presented 👍
Always here to please David.
I congratulate you and I thank you. You gave me very good advice that I had no idea of them. The tasks are now better and easier. I unfortunately do not speak English, but your images are very eloquent. Sorry for the language I use the google translate
Thank you and good luck with your layout. Regards Charlie
Charlie - another great video, many thanks for the tips. Although I solder my droppers under the rail like you, I feed them through the baseboard on the outside of the track, so I've made myself extra work to conceal the wire with the ballast. It's never occurred to me to drill between the rails! I'm about halfway through my latest track laying project, so I'll adopt your method from now on. I also like the mirror tip - it will show up kinks more easily than the naked eye and you don't have to stretch over the board to check the line furthest from the front.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Neil and hopefully you’ve subscribed too.
Hi Charlie, I sure do like watching your videos. You are a fine instructor and shoot very good videos. Thanks for all your tips and instructions. Bob - Brecksville, Ohio
Hi Bob, thank you so much for your kind words. I find it particularly difficult to pick up US viewers so any advice would be very welcomed.
Have a great Christmas, regards Charlie
Charlie,
Well here is a quick one. I use Liquid Nails for Foam Projects in a calking gun for roadbed and pins for track. This basically a green foam adhesive that stays plyable. A thin smear is all that is needed to secure the roadbed down. Then another smear on top of the roadbed. Now when you pin your track, the smear will grab hold of the pin very firmly. Simply pull up the pins to move the track and repin thru the smear.
If the roadbed needs to move, then the putty knive slices easily thru the smear and releases the roadbed. This is especially useful for those who use a foam board base. For you with pins thru plywood, it would work well to release the roadbed and then repin.
So here is a project for you - - - -
I am designing to use a Raspberry Pi 3 to connect via rs232/usb to my NEC Power Pro unit. I have the image for the pi that also contains JMRI and CUPS for printing the reports.
Then with an android tablet - with Engine Throtte app ( for android) and wifi connected to the PI, I will be able to talk to the NEC directly as well as pull up JMRI and use that throttle thru the pi. CUPS will allow me to print the jmri reports to document my cv s and other items. As you may know, with jmri, you access your loco and with a single click, all settings in your decoder are sent to the jmri. No more coding cv s with a basic throttle, it is all in english or slider controls. All this runs off a micro sd memory card.
Will let you know when I have it running. Bob
Wow, thanks Bob. I’m not a JMRI user but Train-controller instead.
However, I’m interested in how you get on.
First time viewer, and I found your video very well produced and genuinely helpful! I am in the planning stages for a layout which I will begin construction on this Spring; I look forward to viewing more of your efforts to help me in completing my task.....thank you!
I’m so pleased that you found the video useful and hopefully you have subscribed too.
Yes indeed, I look forward to more of your nicely produced videos!
Awesome as always, thank you Charlie.
You’re most welcome.
24:37 hanging out the washing haha love it
Wives, they’re great.
Thanks, Charlie. Really helps me with my tracklaying.
Thanks Trevor, I’m so pleased that you found the video useful. Regards Charlie
Wow..awesome update and how to.. thanks for sharing and keep up the great work.. Lance
Hi Lance, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Now I know why I purchased those Railway books, a bit like Tony Hancock’s use of the largest books in the library to enable him to reach the paperback crime thriller on a high shelf😉
Just trying to avoid glueing them down David, I have. Regards, Charlie.
Another great video. Love it when I see a new notification!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Regards Charlie
Like your soldering of the drops, very nice. I to hide them and go the extent to file off the solder from the side you can see when standing and watching the trains. Nice job...
Thanks David, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed It
Great video, I always look forward to the next one.. Cheers .
Hi Jim,
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video.
Regards Charlie
verry nice job, Charly! t he tip of the mirror is pretty useful. Many thanks
I’m so pleased that you found it useful.
Hi. This is really a very interessting and informativ Video. Thanks you for the lot of Tipps ans your great work. Fantastic. Greets lui
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video. Regards Charlie.
Hi Charlie A very interesting video, lots of very useful tips thanks for posting Dave
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Dave. Regards Charlie.
This video has been popping up a lot for me recently so I thought i'd give it a watch! Definately not disappointed so far :D
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it MDH. Regards Charlie
Great video again 😊Thank you!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Edward. Regards Charlie
Great video, thanks! Very helpful
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it John.
When gluing track, instead of holding the track in place with books, I temporarily insert small screws with washers between sleepers (not through the sleepers) at strategic positions. Once the glue has set you can remove all the screws. Note that before the glue has set, you can adjust the exact position by loosening one or more screws, moving the track then re-tightening them.
An excellent point Gerry.
Happy Christmas Charlie (Today's date Dec 25, 2023): at 19:34 your soldering technique is almost perfect, the only thing I could add is pre-tin the rails as well before attaching the wires, this will make the solder flow better when attaching your wires.
A tip for you newbies, always keep your soldering iron tip clean of scuzzies (dirt, flux residue, etc) before applying solder to it, a quick wipe with a cotton cloth works much better than a wet sponge which will lower the temp of the tip. (background; electronics engineer (Hillyers, Stamford [UK] and master electrician, Canada)
Much has changed since that video Geo. I now use a brass mesh to clean the solder tip.
I’m unsure why you didn’t see me tin the underpart of the rails. Perhaps I just missed that one.
Best wishes for 2024,
regards, Charlie
11:00 Good tip with the mirror. Another method for getting the track straight is to lay it along a straight edge although glue can make this tricky - an alternate is a straight strip of wood that fits between the rails that can double as a weight if glueing.
Good tip Graham
Thanks again Charlie for this great video!! Regards Onno.
I’m so pleased that you’re still with me Onno.
A very useful guide and I thank you for that. I use track screws rather than track pins which should allow me to dismantle - if necessary - a little more easily.
Hi Alec,
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Do you remove the track screws as you lay the ballast?
@@ChadwickModelRailway My method is to layout the track - I use Peco Setrack - on cork. I then drill holes through the sleeper, using Peco's holes as a guide, using a pin vise. Then the track screws are fixed through these and remain in place. I then ballast in the scenic area only.
Very informative, thank you.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Ron.
Another top video Charlie - thanks!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Charlie, I thought I was the only person that still had an olden wood level like yours. I love it and use it more than the newer metal one I have. Got the same saw horses too...I agree totally about track cutting...I like glueing better...Use a mirror as final inspection but use a metal 4 foot rule as a straight edge when laying the track. It won't warp or distort like wood will...Also use a string line and chalk to mark track centers....To keep track straight while glueing I use "T" pins on the outside of the track spaced as far out as a can of soup will let me as I use the can for weight. They fit between the track solidly and the track does not let them roll away.....I just use white glue as I can get it loose with water if I want to move a track...
Thanks David, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video. We seem to have very similar track laying techniques, although I imagine that we have both learnt the hard way.
Good video, just came across it in 2022.
One tip: for adjustable support legs a lag screw put in the bottom and nominally left sticking down 1/2 inch or so, can be easily adjusted up or down with an open ended wrench (spanner).
You make an excellent point mate. Take care, regards Charlie
another excellent informative video glad i found your channel
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Digger.
Most helpful video thanks
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it John.
Vey helpful thanks. Your soldering of feeder wires to under rails is much better than to the side of rails! Would have liked a bit more about the advantages of glueing versus pinning track and vice versa. Your videos on track laying on the Peco website are really excellent too - they cover the 'little things' that often get forgotten by RUclips demonstrators.
Thanks Tez, I’m so pleased that you find the videos. Interesting. Regards Charlie
Nice job, very informative.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards Charlie
Nice to see you again Charlie. I us a 2ft steel rule against the rail because I find sleepers are sometimes different lengths. Geoff. W.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Geoff. Good luck with your layout. Regards Charlie
Yet another excellent video. Many thanks.(hope you had a productive July)
Hi Alan, yes it was productive but pretty rough.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video.
Regards Charlie
Great video Charlie. I enjoyed the little interruption too. Lol. Paul
Yes, my good lady had hanged the washing out!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Paul.
Terrific video. Just getting back into hobby and your vodeo was perfect for how to lay track.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Pat.
@@ChadwickModelRailway The one good thing coming from this pandemic mess is that it is rekindling my interest in building a new layout. Well done videos, like yours, is helping me refresh techniques.
Great video. Thanks.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Rodolfo.
Great video but a small thing: 12:00 There's an easier way. Just drill much of the way through the plastic then hammer the pin in. That way you can remove the track with a tool but stop the track from moving of its own accord.
Makes sense.
10:54 is track pinning. Very good video, thanks.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it GT
Great video can’t wait to see more
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Mike.
Hi i just have a few pins and the ballast secures the track. Great shows.
Good idea Darren. Regards Charlie
Just discovered your channel recently. I greatly enjoy your relaxed informative style. If I could do half as good in my videos, I'd be happy. Looking forward to more Cheers, Angus. (Waverley Cross).
Hi Angus,
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video. If you saw my out-takes you’d realise that it’s not so good!
New to your site sir. Well done. Absorbing lots of info, will take time to sort it all out.
Thanks Kurt, I’m so pleased that you enjoy my videos.
Thank you.
You're welcome Jeff
1” finishing nail works good for me right now. I have a 4x8 layout with sectional track, so it makes maintenance/repairs easy
If it works and looks good, that’s great.
Chadwick Model Railway Thx
Just wanted to comment that I saw on a German guy's chanel (Freestyle Moba) that he used a long metal ruler to get nice and strict straights - but you did same with a slat at the end. The mirror is a good idea!
Yes Peter, the use of a mirror really is a great asset. Regards Charlie
Love the Mirror Technieck.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Great video !!!
Thanks Brice
Great video, I’m Loving how the layout is turning out!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Hi as always most informative
Steve
I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it BVR
dont know whats modern practice but sine I started 60 odd years ago the track was always lightly pinned, and the ballast took care of the rest.....only exceptions for pinning being in track areas they could be removed/ transported.....nice video, Howard, UK
Thanks Howard, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it
Great advice, subbed!
Thanks and welcome aboard.
i use small cross head screws on all my track, no damage if i wish to change it
buy them of the well known auction site packs of 100 or 200
An interesting option Robert.
Top work, good information given
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Andy.
Chadwick Model Railway I'm enjoying watching and learning new things from your videos.