***Drop information incorrect in the video. Good old Runner's World is way off in their "DROP" analysis for both shoes, won't be going back there then. Correct drop for BEACON = 6mm and CLIFTON = 5mm ****
So annoying for you, put together another great video and RW website has let you down!! Next time you will have to get your information from the horses month ie Nike, NB etc Keep up the great work. You deserve your success. Happy Running
I never understood Runner’s World and those drop measurements they often list. They are no where near the advertised spec. Wonder what they are measuring exactly.
Thank you for sharing the knowledge. Had a pair of Beacon 3 shipped from Denmark for £70 , hopefully the PF will be a thing of the past ,and running will become fun again !
Hey Seth these videos keep getting better. I went back and watched a few older videos from the 100-200 vlog range. Dont forget to keep us updated on the work/family/running balance. Also, it would be cool to do a live stream Q&A.
Go to for long runs right now, Brooks Ghost 11. I fought off getting into them this year because I was put off by the 12mm drop, but I just had to face that fact that it is a non-issue. I can't be running in 10mm drop shoes forever and then dismiss a 12mm drop shoe and keep a straight face. The Ghost cushion is fantastic. Not too soft, not too firm. Great transition. Goes fast for me if I want it to (though my fast is most likely what you'd call bopping along), but easily can go real slow. I can easily understand why this shoe is so popular. Comfort factor is top notch too. Honorable mention goes to the New Balance 880v8, which is similar in a lot of ways to the Ghost, but the 880 is an ounce and a half heavier in my size 10.5, and has a slightly firmer ride. I can definitely feel the weight difference between the two. I've also got the Beacon and I tend to keep the mileage in the range you mentioned as well. Too long in the Beacon and my ankles start complaining. The Ghost might be similarly cushioned to the Beacon, but it's a more supportive shoe in general, so let's me go longer and not start getting complaints from my ankles. Ghost is definitely a desert island shoe if there had to be one. Another great vid by the way. LOVED the quick change at 6:23. Brilliant!
Kip Count Thanks KIP! This comment is an eye opener for me, I learned a ton. Ghost 11 definitely needs to be on my radar. Or maybe the 12 is coming soon...? Go Fund Me update coming tomorrow 🙌🏼
My current go to long run shoes are the new balance beacons for pavement ( just got them yesterday :) ) and the new balance 1500 for my mountain or trail runs ( eventhough they are probably meant to be a road racing shoe, but they offer such great traction out on the trails ). Greetings from Austria, and keep up the great work, Franz
Seth, so many shoes, so little time! Love the backpack idea, shoes on the go...prevents theft!!! Love the lunch break strength workout! For my long run shoe 6-15 mi Saucony Freedom ISO 1. At first I didn't like this shoe! After a few runs I got used the full length Everun sponginess (or whatever that is) which became reason I like it for long runs. I use the Saucony Fastwitch 7 or 8 racing shoe too when training for HM (I can handle trainning in a racing shoe because I never run high mileage week > 40 mi). I like to run in the shoe I will be racing in, same as training on the surface of the race course. For under 8 mi, Saucony Kinvara 3, 7, 9. I can go longer in the Kinvara but prefer the Freedom, it's a more substantial shoe. Over the years I have run in Adidas (trainers got too heavy) Nike (narrowed their shoes, couldn't accommodate my duck feet), Asics (same thing, narrowed the toe box), Mizuno (l loved Wave Raiders, Precisions but lowered their toe box height) and one pair of Hoka Clifton 1 ( too soft and don't like the meta rocker). Finding shoes that work for you can be more exhausting than racing a marathon ( which I have "retired' from; 10 was enough and for longevity they beat you up too much).
Seth, thank you so much for your efforts in making a great comparison video. With me owning the beacon, I think it's still the better choice for my needs as explained by you, thanks again!
Hey Seth, discovered the channel about a month ago and you’re doing a great job! Anyways several years ago the Altra Torin 1.5s got me into longer runs. I currently run in the Newton Gravity 7 but am also battling PF due to a lot of work travel and treadmill time. I am a larger runner (6’3” 230lbs) so am looking into the Hoka Clifton 5 vs the Hoka Bondi 6 vs the Altra Torin 3.5. Lots of rehab and massaging is helping so far!
Welcome! Thanks for the comment! Interesting on the PF front, is this your first bout with PF, or....? Mine is finally getting better, will update you soon on this.
Seth James DeMoor glad yours is improving have heard you mention it! This is my first bout, which I feel like is a consequence of ignoring some Achilles tightness and then just trying to push through it without proper rehab. Keep up the good work my friend
Seth James DeMoor Looking forward to the next video! The humility comment about the ‘02 Corolla had me laughing. Killin’ it with all of the videography not even sure how you get all of those shots all over the city! Actually looked into all of the aforementioned kicks and landed on the On Cloudflow. I know the hype train is for real around that brand but that specific model is such an astonishing combo of lightweight and support, it’s going right into the rotation.
great video, love the tour of downtown denver. I've decided to give the beacon a try. my go to shoe for middle distance is the mizuno inspire. i have to laugh, if i do a 20 miler it's an all day affair, for you it's like a casual cruise around town.
Running Warehouse lists the Hoka Clifton 5 as a 5mm drop and Size 9 weighs in at 9.5 oz. For PF repair, I enjoy the Clifton 5. Great reviews...keep up the great work!!!
I just recently changed long run shoes, as my old Saucony Ride's are on the verge of retirement. I agree with you that, later in the run, a snappy ride, energy return and light weight trump squishy cushioning. So, the NB Fuel Core Sonic is next. Ran my 1st 26.2 in them in October and it went really well...if you're not familiar, it replaced the Vazee Pace last year.
Clifton 5 for long runs with fast finish 15+ miles, also run my Q runs in in the Clifton’s. Long easy slow runs I’ll venture out in the Bondi 6; never sore after and running down hills I find the cushioning a nice benefit. Bondi and Clifton have different geometry obviously, once the Bondi’s are worn out going to alternate between the Clifton and the Elevon 2. Bondi 6 is a heavy shoe but I enjoy it for easy recovery runs as well. Have a pair of Ghosts that I’ll run in periodically as well. Great review, thanks!
That really sucks to hear about your Vomero’s getting stollen! Your review on that shoe made want to get a pair maybe next year. But what I’m really looking forward to seeing is your Skechers review and by the looks of it, it looks like the go run ride 7. I actually have that shoe and I love just walking in it. It’s one of my favorite running shoes but the catch is that I just walk in them since I haven’t been able to run in them since I tore my soleus running on the treadmill on an incline back in October. I hope to be running without having to worry about an injury sometime in January. So I really can’t wait to hear what you have to say about the shoe after you run in it. Since I can’t exactly run myself. I hope the feel just as good running as they do walking since they’re really comfortable.
For me, I can't really afford to spend that much on shoes since I'm in highschool and my mom doesn't want me to spend a lot on shoes, so I only wear one pair of shoes being the Beacon's. The only problem is, I plan on running multiple days in them over 10 miles so I just hope they hold up.
I have pinned a comment to the top here in the comments with correct information. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I won't look at Runner's World ever again. : )
I don’t have a lot of cash to play with... so currently Bondi 5 is my short and long distance runner... they are solely for running... they have over 350 miles on them and I am waiting on my new Arahi3 to arrive so I can retire them... Bondi 6 just didn’t jump out at me.... this all being said by a New Balance guy in the Boston market.... love my NB but I haven’t had the aches and pains since switching to Hokie Pokies.... great review on your part! Thank you!
Looks like he tried to measure it from the outside of the shoe, which doesn't give am accurate measurement because towards the back some of that midsole material cups your foot in. If he cut it in half and measured it on the inside he would get 5mm.
Humility, Seth, humility; 😀 it’s certainly something the world needs more of. In terms of my go-to mid-to-long distance shoes, it would be my Brooks Ghost. They have been real workhorses for me, and basically I did everything in them. As a casual runner, I do wonder, though, if too many of us get sucked into the marketing hype of needing one type of shoe for this, another type for that, and yet another for when you are doing neither this nor that. I kind of yearn for the old days when you went into a shop - there were two choices; red or blue - and you bought one pair and ran everything in them till they fell off your feet, then you went back and bought another pair, just the same. Today, with hundreds of variations, it can be daunting. At the end of the day, the differences between many are very small. But we are told by the “Mad Men” in marketing that we must have the latest technology, and by and large we end up believing it, or at least wanting to. (Gee I’m off on my own rant - better stop now or this message will be longer than your excellent video!). Hope you had a great night out, btw, you and your wife certainly deserve it!
SJD, love the review, great job! I would like to see shoe reviewers talk about the firmness or softness of a shoe at the heel and the forefoot. For example, the softest shoe you have ever run is in a 10 and the firmest is a 1. To me the Clifton 4 (haven't run in the 5) is about a 6, the Skechers GoRunRide 7 is a 7 in the forefoot...if there is a way to quantify softness of firmness that would be awesome. I think that would help people understand the shoe a little more. Keep doing the other stuff too, upper, flexibility etc...
My combo - Fast, race day only, Vapor Fly. MIddle to long distance tempo - Nike ZoomFly FN, and I"m hoping. Yes, hoping that the Vomero 14 will be the last piece in the puzzle for those STEASY days! Thanks for the videos. I love em buddy.
From a high school runner, Nike streak 6, definitely not cushioned but I feel really smooth in it and to me the smoothness leaves my legs just as fresh as cushioned shoes
Between 10 and 21km, i love my NB 1080 v8, they have a nice fit without making blisters like my previous vomeros 13 for the same distances, my toes can move even after sweling, they handled well the heat of summer and they dont slip on wet concrete or light trail easily. Also they feel plush for easy runs but handle more fast paced long runs too.
It´s always nice to watch a comprehensive review but man we don´t agree haha. I guess in the end all our feet and legs and needs are completely different. I tried both of these shoes and I hated - I really hated the Beacon. I need much more support for my feet than what the Beacon will ever be able to give me - to me it felt a bit like putting a piece of chewing gum on my feet and I didnt appreciate it. The Clifton 5 is one of my two day-to-day shoes. I find it amazing as it almost programs my feet to do better even in other shoes. It is more stiff in the design (still very soft and cushy though) but that´s exactly what I am looking for. Thank you for sharing your thoughts - I concluded that we are quite different runners ;)
I've been running in the Pegasus 35 and Seth I know you like them, when I was running in them i was 207 now I'm down to 194, and I actually had to stop running for 2 weeks because it killed my knees it literally felt like there was no cushion. So I've been on an elliptical machine and Walking for 2 weeks, I've done a lot of stretching and maintenance on my legs and rest. So I switch to Hoka Nepali, haven't ran in them yet, but I wore them and the cushion is amazing. So that's the shoe I'm going to be running in. And the reason, I just don't have the money to buy other shoes right now, for different Runs.
Brent, smart to rest! The maintenance in between runs, as you well know, is just as important as the actual running we do. I'll be interested to see what you think of the Napali shoes after a couple weeks.
I’ve been training in the Altra Torin and Escalante. I prefer the Escalante for racing because it is so light. My times are always faster in the Escalante. However, I’m currently training for a half marathon and I do experience foot fatigue in both shoes after 8 to 10 miles. May try Altra’s Duo eventually or the Escalante racer which is designed stiffer for racing. Would love a comparison of the Beacon with the Torins for long distance.
Middle to long distance shoe currently? I believe that I am one of only three or four people in the world that love the the Adidas Energy Boost. I've ran a road marathon and a mountain marathon in Switzerland in these guys. I have had four pairs of them and they just don't quit! And, in my opinion, heavy or not they work in all occasions. I read reviews and watched videos about how they aren't a serious shoe. But I love them. I tried the Beacons, love them up to about 10 miles, but then the fresh foam falls away. (As a side note, i tried original Zante and they were good up to about the 10 mile point, also.) However, i must throw in that I am 52 years old and my legs need more underneath than a younger, more efficient runner would need.
I love my hoka cliftons, I'm a Highschool runner and I'm still growing so I don't have only one pair of running shoes and I've found that the cliftons have enough Cush for 10+ mile runs but also enough responsiveness for faster days. If I could get multiple shoes I would get a shoe for faster days but for now the Clifton is perfect for me because it is a good all around shoe
Go-to long run shoe is the Altra Olympus 3. Great cushion that does fatigue later in the run. It's springy as well, similar to the the nike react. Comfortable upper and breathable. My go-to was the Clifton series but after the 4th version they lost their way.
My go to mid to long run shoe is the launch 5 it's a responsive ride with light cushioning, but with that it's also very light and has a good amount of pop. I find its just super reliable, and if I'm ever trying to figure out the right shoe to wear I grab for my launch. I recently picked up the clifton 5 so maybe they'll fit this role as well.
At the moment the Skechers GOrun ride 7. I got to the shoe on October 17th and have since then 227 mls including 7 long-runs around 20 mls. For example today I ran 33K on a hilly route, which made it tough. Ave speed was 7 min 48s per mile and the shoe felt great. There are 4 reasons why I wear them for long runs at the moment: 1. Cushioning: surface is hard in winter time. So it's more comfortable when the shoe has more cushioning, 2. Recovery: when I wear Skechers GRR7 my legs feel amazing the day after my long run, 3. the shoe is good for a wide speed range. It feels good when I run slowly but also fine if I want to run faster on asphalt or gravel. Indoors and on a treadmill it's terrible. I tested that too. The shoe was too soft but on a hard surface it's amazing. 4. Volume: it has more volume than Pegasus 35 for example, i.e. I can wear thicker socks now in winter.
Baltsu AMAZING COMMENT! Thanks for educating me on the Ride 7, I learned a ton in this comment 👍🏻 I appreciate you taking the time to break down your experience in these shoes.
Hey Seth - try the Cavu 2 - should compare very favourably with your NB Beacons .. my long slow runs (30-35Km) are Hoka Bondis - they give your legs a work out and will never hurt you. For off road I have Mafate and some Altras .. it is really important to vary your terrain when training hence the mix of road and trail shoes. Thanks for your review .. subscribing 😉
I've had a lot of injuries and tendonitis with ultraboost and brooks ghost 10 then I got an Ultraboost ST and it was nice, my knees still hurt but it's so stiff. So a guy I met at a run recommend a Hoka to me this August, I got a Gaviota and has been running pain free ever since.
New Balance Vongo V2 (4mm) & Topo Megnifly2 ( 0 mm) are my long run best friend.The reason I choose these because of lower drop & still have some cushion under feet also very big nice toe box & super durability.
Those are some fancy shots downtown Denver you made there! Casey Neistat should see those :-). Even though I've never run in any of both shoes, experience with the Hoka ATR and other shoes gave me similar conclusions. Hoka shines on real long runs, because they retain a certain "firmness" after miles & miles which actually protects the foot (less work for the toes to stabilize your body with every step). Shoes with extra cushion or flexibility initially feel great, but make your feet work harder for stability. After my Hoka ATR period, I switched to the Mizuno Rider (less cush up front giving the same effect), which is now my long run shoe, together with the Pegasus. I used to limit the Pegasus to 15 miles, although v34 with the zoom unit up front seems to cope with more miles for a single run...
Agreed completely with the 'tired' feel in flexible shoes. Beacons feel great at the beginning, but anything past 8 miles you start to get pretty tired. Thanks as always for chiming into the "Question of the Day" with great analysis here.
Middle to long distance: Clifton3 so far but as the model is discontinued (and as it reaches its end of life on my end), the 'next marathon shoe' remains a question. Was expecting for the Clifton 5 or the Skechers GoRunRide 7 to be that shoe but none of those will. Was actually hoping the Beacon to be a marathon shoe but it does not seem to be your recommendation. Thanks for the video!!
@@SethJamesDeMoor I do actually and maybe that can be a subject for a next video: Which shoes currently available on the market (either released in 2018, or before and still available) could potentially be good options for a marathon. I understand that it depends on a lot of factors, but it would be interesting to get your input on this. Thanks!!
Seth! Great video. I purchased the zoom fly 3. Now I am thinking about buying the beacons or the Saucony ISO which are on sale at running warehouse. Going to do some training. Will be doing 30-40 miles per week. Any suggestions between the two?
I've tried both and own the Beacon. I have no idea why someone would pick this version of the Clifton over the Beacon. Maybe if they had to have the rocker sole then I would understand it, but the Beacon has a bit of that going on as well. Also, if anyone has medium to wide feet then the Beacon will fit them better. There is more space in them than in the Clifton, which often feels too narrow.
The Nike Pegasus is my go-to shoe for all of my easy and long runs. It's pretty fast, responsive, and had just the right amount of cushion and support for me. I don't really like the idea of switching up trainers frequently. I like to stick to one shoe that works for me. I do though workout in the Nike Streak LTs, and race in the Nike Matumbos and Victorys.
Nike Epic Flynit Reacts are my favorite. As a new Runner my first pair of running shoes was a Asics. I couldn't run past a 5k without having pain. I then switch to the Nike epic Flyknit reacts and can run half a marathon. Definitely the Nikes are my go-to trainers. Because my feet are somewhat wide I bought a pair of New Balance beacons and they fit my feet very well, however I am so used to the Nike epic Flyknit reacts, I can feel a big difference not having that support indifferent style shoe. It's the heel in the Nikes that really do it for me
As others have commented on shoe buying tips: if you find a shoe that works for you or you want to buy but too $$$, wait for color change or version update it will be discounted. Join a running club, most (like mine) have a local running store discount or Running Warehouse 15 % discount. When buying from AMAZON use your Dicover or Visa card cash back...free$ makes shoes half price or free! I completely agree with other comments about marketing hype...be an educated consumer!
Qd: lol my long distance right now is only 6 miles. I like running in the legend reacts for that. I seem to get less tired wearing those and i like the react foam. Shorter distance i wear the peg35. If its below feezing i use winflo5 shield. I havent started running trails yet
Seth, I 'd like you to share your insights about the difference offset on the Cliftons. On their site, Hoka establishes a 29mm 24 mm which 5 mm drop and you mentioned a 11mm drop. Thanks.
Hey seth good video per usual. I was switching from the nike pegs to the brooks ghosts. And i actually started doin more runs in the ghost they are so plush. Can barely hear my foot strike. Easy pace miles 8.20 to 7.30 pace feels amazing. Would love to see u try the brooks ghost 11. P.s my bro has literally just been diagnosed with mild plantar hahaa and he wants new shoes. I sent him straight to your channel. Keep up the inspirational work man. I.love running :)
Regarding heal to toe drops on both shoes, conflicting information on the internet. It seems that the Runnersworld website has the incorrect measurements on both shoes! Correct sizes: The New Balance website confirmed its 6mm. Hoka Clifton 5 website confirmed its 5mm
@@SethJamesDeMoor It comes in on Tuesday from Running Warehouse. I waited for a different color option as I usually like to get something different than just black/white. Really excited to try it out but bummed yours got swiped :/
I would go for Altra Paradigm 4.0 which gives me extra support in my long run over 20 miles. Ego midsole is forgiving and zero drop does not suck up excessive energy from my muscle.
I currently run in the Clifton 5's doing 3 to 4 runs a week averaging 6 to 10 miles. I bought them to replace my Brooks Glycerin 16's. I feel both are great shoe's for the mid to long run category. The Brooks are a little more responsive and feel quicker, but they seemed to wear out faster. I'd be interested in comparing the Glycerin or Ghost to the new Hoka Rincon. Let me know if you have a comparison already.
My go to mid- to long-distance shoe is the Skechers GORun Ride 7. I did an 83-minute 11.5 mile run yesterday in them and felt great the whole way. Very plush, but I didn’t feel like they slowed me down.
Seth James DeMoor why do i like the ledgends? To me they are very comfy and the react foam seems to absorb lots of shock. Alot of people who have ran in the epics seem to not like the ledgends
I wear the same trainers for everything besides workouts which I then wear spikes or flats depending on the workout. I wear the Nike Winflo 5 which is an extremely neutral shoe and actually quite stiff but I like it a lot. For spikes I wear the Nike Zoom Victory 3 for track and the New Balance 900v4 for Cross. And I have no idea what my flats are called Thanks Jordan Shackelford
They are on the softer side but weigh less than Nike Pegasus and are way cheaper I've used them recently for my last 3 half marathons and each time got a pb for me they feel the perfect balance between cushioning and responsiveness. They seem to get hardly no attention at all! Am no where near upto your level of running so would be really interesting to see what you think. but for me, they are the best trainer I have, beat my new balance 1080 V8, new balance Zante and my Nike Pegasus.
Soft huh? I would have to say that was the opposite of my first impression. They seemed to me to be very light and minimal with not a lot of protection, which up here in the mountains on mostly dirt roads is alright I feel like. Definitely a cool thought though
I've run in Hoka Cliftons before and every pair has given me a blister on the top of my index toe. Maybe it's just my own anatomical quirk, but I can't go over 90 minutes in the shoe. Which is too bad, because otherwise I like them. If I could find a pair for $20, I'd take a flyer on the Clifton 5s, but otherwise...
My parents refuse to buy me shoes for specific distances. I only have one pair of running shoes, which are the downshifter 7’s and do not own a pair of racing flats.
I use clifton 5 for long run, and bondi 6 for easy lazy day. Peg 35 for fast under 10k, but recently starting feel the PF with this shoe, And just got hoka tracer 2 only US$35 (crazy end year sale) for replacing the peg 35.
Shoe recommendation? I get sore, stiff joints and overpronate slightly. I just started running 5ks 4x a week and might want to go further in the future. What shoe should I get? I have a stability trainer but find it quite hard (Nike zoom structure 21).
@@SethJamesDeMoor thank for your reply! :) As I'm new, can you please explain why you think those shoes might be of help to me? Excluding the sketchers as unfortunately you can't get them in the UK :(
Ive been watching a lot of new balance beacon review. I am currently looking for a versatile shoe that can do long easy 19km-25km and can be used as 10-15km tempo run. As for the question of the day.l, my Go to long run shoes are my vomero 10 and vomero 13. My vomero 10 has already logged 850+km but I am still using it because I find it more cushioned than my vomero 13.
I used the Beacon for the Chicago Marathon 2018, PR'd by 24 mins. So hearing you say that the beacon is not good good for longer runs make me question my decision on my marathon shoes and maybe try something else less "flexible".
I think it's a good choice for a marathon, especially if you are out there over 3 hours. A firm shoe becomes a drawback at that point and demands more energy out of your legs to absorb the repeated ground shock.
Seth, not sure if anyone has already mentioned this to you but have you checked out athleanX? Jeff has recently done a really interesting video on fixing PF issues. May be worth a look!
YES! I had a bad source of information in Runner's World, won't be going back there for shoe info ever again. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
So many shoe makers can thank Hoka nowadays because they have influenced so much the way running shoes are made today. For example the Beacons would have never existed if it wasn't for Hoka
The best shoe I have ever run in after 40 years of running is the Nike Vaporfly 4%. Hands down. But my every day trainer, given I am also fighting PF, is the Hoka Cifton 5, closely followed by the Hoka Clifton 3. Now you know!🤣
***Drop information incorrect in the video. Good old Runner's World is way off in their "DROP" analysis for both shoes, won't be going back there then. Correct drop for BEACON = 6mm and CLIFTON = 5mm ****
So annoying for you, put together another great video and RW website has let you down!! Next time you will have to get your information from the horses month ie Nike, NB etc
Keep up the great work.
You deserve your success.
Happy Running
Yeah, Hokas always have something like 4 or 5 mm drop.
I was wondering about that! Thanks for clarifying.
I never understood Runner’s World and those drop measurements they often list. They are no where near the advertised spec. Wonder what they are measuring exactly.
Runner’s World always has that metric wrong.
Thank you for sharing the knowledge. Had a pair of Beacon 3 shipped from Denmark for £70 , hopefully the PF will be a thing of the past ,and running will become fun again !
Hey Seth these videos keep getting better. I went back and watched a few older videos from the 100-200 vlog range. Dont forget to keep us updated on the work/family/running balance. Also, it would be cool to do a live stream Q&A.
Oldies are goodies!
Today we will be pulling out the Christmas stuff, so family will be in more so.
Another well done video Seth! The Clifton One is probably my favorite shoe in the last 5 years and I'm very excited that it is making a come back!
5:05 greatness 😮 - I love that shot! I like your humility mobile.
The Humility Mobile is one day at a time type of situation.
Go to for long runs right now, Brooks Ghost 11. I fought off getting into them this year because I was put off by the 12mm drop, but I just had to face that fact that it is a non-issue. I can't be running in 10mm drop shoes forever and then dismiss a 12mm drop shoe and keep a straight face. The Ghost cushion is fantastic. Not too soft, not too firm. Great transition. Goes fast for me if I want it to (though my fast is most likely what you'd call bopping along), but easily can go real slow. I can easily understand why this shoe is so popular. Comfort factor is top notch too. Honorable mention goes to the New Balance 880v8, which is similar in a lot of ways to the Ghost, but the 880 is an ounce and a half heavier in my size 10.5, and has a slightly firmer ride. I can definitely feel the weight difference between the two. I've also got the Beacon and I tend to keep the mileage in the range you mentioned as well. Too long in the Beacon and my ankles start complaining. The Ghost might be similarly cushioned to the Beacon, but it's a more supportive shoe in general, so let's me go longer and not start getting complaints from my ankles. Ghost is definitely a desert island shoe if there had to be one. Another great vid by the way. LOVED the quick change at 6:23. Brilliant!
Kip Count Thanks KIP! This comment is an eye opener for me, I learned a ton. Ghost 11 definitely needs to be on my radar. Or maybe the 12 is coming soon...?
Go Fund Me update coming tomorrow 🙌🏼
My current go to long run shoes are the new balance beacons for pavement ( just got them yesterday :) ) and the new balance 1500 for my mountain or trail runs ( eventhough they are probably meant to be a road racing shoe, but they offer such great traction out on the trails ). Greetings from Austria, and keep up the great work, Franz
Thanks Franz for the comment and enjoy those BEACONS! So glad we have a viewer from Austria.
Seth, so many shoes, so little time! Love the backpack idea, shoes on the go...prevents theft!!! Love the lunch break strength workout! For my long run shoe 6-15 mi Saucony Freedom ISO 1. At first I didn't like this shoe! After a few runs I got used the full length Everun sponginess (or whatever that is) which became reason I like it for long runs. I use the Saucony Fastwitch 7 or 8 racing shoe too when training for HM (I can handle trainning in a racing shoe because I never run high mileage week > 40 mi). I like to run in the shoe I will be racing in, same as training on the surface of the race course. For under 8 mi, Saucony Kinvara 3, 7, 9. I can go longer in the Kinvara but prefer the Freedom, it's a more substantial shoe. Over the years I have run in Adidas (trainers got too heavy) Nike (narrowed their shoes, couldn't accommodate my duck feet), Asics (same thing, narrowed the toe box), Mizuno (l loved Wave Raiders, Precisions but lowered their toe box height) and one pair of Hoka Clifton 1 ( too soft and don't like the meta rocker). Finding shoes that work for you can be more exhausting than racing a marathon ( which I have "retired' from; 10 was enough and for longevity they beat you up too much).
Seth, thank you so much for your efforts in making a great comparison video. With me owning the beacon, I think it's still the better choice for my needs as explained by you, thanks again!
You're very welcome! I hope it helped outline when I would use each shoe.
Hey Seth, discovered the channel about a month ago and you’re doing a great job! Anyways several years ago the Altra Torin 1.5s got me into longer runs. I currently run in the Newton Gravity 7 but am also battling PF due to a lot of work travel and treadmill time. I am a larger runner (6’3” 230lbs) so am looking into the Hoka Clifton 5 vs the Hoka Bondi 6 vs the Altra Torin 3.5. Lots of rehab and massaging is helping so far!
Welcome! Thanks for the comment! Interesting on the PF front, is this your first bout with PF, or....?
Mine is finally getting better, will update you soon on this.
Seth James DeMoor glad yours is improving have heard you mention it! This is my first bout, which I feel like is a consequence of ignoring some Achilles tightness and then just trying to push through it without proper rehab. Keep up the good work my friend
campbe00 I talk about my PF in today’s video, publishing in a couple hours 👍🏻
Seth James DeMoor Looking forward to the next video! The humility comment about the ‘02 Corolla had me laughing. Killin’ it with all of the videography not even sure how you get all of those shots all over the city! Actually looked into all of the aforementioned kicks and landed on the On Cloudflow. I know the hype train is for real around that brand but that specific model is such an astonishing combo of lightweight and support, it’s going right into the rotation.
great video, love the tour of downtown denver. I've decided to give the beacon a try. my go to shoe for middle distance is the mizuno inspire. i have to laugh, if i do a 20 miler it's an all day affair, for you it's like a casual cruise around town.
Mary Salmon Glad you enjoyed Denver and let me know what you think about the Beacons 👍🏻🙌🏼
Running Warehouse lists the Hoka Clifton 5 as a 5mm drop and Size 9 weighs in at 9.5 oz. For PF repair, I enjoy the Clifton 5. Great reviews...keep up the great work!!!
Thanks Kent! I've pinned a comment to the top with correct drop info. Runner's World was a bit off.... holy smokes
Guy at 5:26 looks like he’d rather be out running too. Runner’s envy? 😆
He appeared ready for soemthing.
I just recently changed long run shoes, as my old Saucony Ride's are on the verge of retirement. I agree with you that, later in the run, a snappy ride, energy return and light weight trump squishy cushioning. So, the NB Fuel Core Sonic is next. Ran my 1st 26.2 in them in October and it went really well...if you're not familiar, it replaced the Vazee Pace last year.
Allen Majane Thanks Allen for the information on the NB Fuel Core Sonic, I’ll have to research more.
Clifton 5 for long runs with fast finish 15+ miles, also run my Q runs in in the Clifton’s.
Long easy slow runs I’ll venture out in the Bondi 6; never sore after and running down hills I find the cushioning a nice benefit.
Bondi and Clifton have different geometry obviously, once the Bondi’s are worn out going to alternate between the Clifton and the Elevon 2.
Bondi 6 is a heavy shoe but I enjoy it for easy recovery runs as well.
Have a pair of Ghosts that I’ll run in periodically as well.
Great review, thanks!
Thanks Mark for tuning in, glad you found some value in it. GREAT comment!
Seth u might have said in videos before i subscribed but what do you do for work
That really sucks to hear about your Vomero’s getting stollen! Your review on that shoe made want to get a pair maybe next year. But what I’m really looking forward to seeing is your Skechers review and by the looks of it, it looks like the go run ride 7. I actually have that shoe and I love just walking in it. It’s one of my favorite running shoes but the catch is that I just walk in them since I haven’t been able to run in them since I tore my soleus running on the treadmill on an incline back in October. I hope to be running without having to worry about an injury sometime in January. So I really can’t wait to hear what you have to say about the shoe after you run in it. Since I can’t exactly run myself. I hope the feel just as good running as they do walking since they’re really comfortable.
For me, I can't really afford to spend that much on shoes since I'm in highschool and my mom doesn't want me to spend a lot on shoes, so I only wear one pair of shoes being the Beacon's. The only problem is, I plan on running multiple days in them over 10 miles so I just hope they hold up.
Nice video Seth thank you for the comparison keep up the good work
You're welcome! Thanks for watching.
Seth, enjoyed the comparison. I own both the Beacon and Clifton. Both great shoes. Please check your specs on drop as I believe they are both 5-6mm.
I have pinned a comment to the top here in the comments with correct information. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I won't look at Runner's World ever again. : )
Great video. Downtown looks so beautiful decorated. Raining here so no Reindeer run. God bless.
Splendid down there, just splendid.
I don’t have a lot of cash to play with... so currently Bondi 5 is my short and long distance runner... they are solely for running... they have over 350 miles on them and I am waiting on my new Arahi3 to arrive so I can retire them... Bondi 6 just didn’t jump out at me.... this all being said by a New Balance guy in the Boston market.... love my NB but I haven’t had the aches and pains since switching to Hokie Pokies.... great review on your part! Thank you!
Hokie Pokie indeed, welcome to you all the way from Denver, thanks for visiting the channel and leaving a great comment.
Seth James DeMoor thank you too! Happy New Year!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Clifton's had a 5mm drop?
kavin prashaad you are correct.
Looks like he tried to measure it from the outside of the shoe, which doesn't give am accurate measurement because towards the back some of that midsole material cups your foot in. If he cut it in half and measured it on the inside he would get 5mm.
Same for the Beacon. It's a 6mm drop, not 9.
5mm are correct
According to Hoka, Running Warehouse, and Road Runner Sports it is a 5mm drop shoe.
Humility, Seth, humility; 😀 it’s certainly something the world needs more of. In terms of my go-to mid-to-long distance shoes, it would be my Brooks Ghost. They have been real workhorses for me, and basically I did everything in them. As a casual runner, I do wonder, though, if too many of us get sucked into the marketing hype of needing one type of shoe for this, another type for that, and yet another for when you are doing neither this nor that. I kind of yearn for the old days when you went into a shop - there were two choices; red or blue - and you bought one pair and ran everything in them till they fell off your feet, then you went back and bought another pair, just the same. Today, with hundreds of variations, it can be daunting. At the end of the day, the differences between many are very small. But we are told by the “Mad Men” in marketing that we must have the latest technology, and by and large we end up believing it, or at least wanting to. (Gee I’m off on my own rant - better stop now or this message will be longer than your excellent video!). Hope you had a great night out, btw, you and your wife certainly deserve it!
We did have a great night out! Ghost 11 for the win!
Looking at a lot of your old VLOGS. How about a comparison of Clifton 6 and Beacon 2 when both are available
SJD, love the review, great job! I would like to see shoe reviewers talk about the firmness or softness of a shoe at the heel and the forefoot. For example, the softest shoe you have ever run is in a 10 and the firmest is a 1. To me the Clifton 4 (haven't run in the 5) is about a 6, the Skechers GoRunRide 7 is a 7 in the forefoot...if there is a way to quantify softness of firmness that would be awesome. I think that would help people understand the shoe a little more. Keep doing the other stuff too, upper, flexibility etc...
My combo - Fast, race day only, Vapor Fly. MIddle to long distance tempo - Nike ZoomFly FN, and I"m hoping. Yes, hoping that the Vomero 14 will be the last piece in the puzzle for those STEASY days! Thanks for the videos. I love em buddy.
Sloan Alexander Awesome Sloan, love the line up. Keep trucking and let me know if you get those Vomero 14s
From a high school runner, Nike streak 6, definitely not cushioned but I feel really smooth in it and to me the smoothness leaves my legs just as fresh as cushioned shoes
Seth Bywater Awesome Seth, good to hear about what works for you. Will you run track in the spring?
Between 10 and 21km, i love my NB 1080 v8, they have a nice fit without making blisters like my previous vomeros 13 for the same distances, my toes can move even after sweling, they handled well the heat of summer and they dont slip on wet concrete or light trail easily. Also they feel plush for easy runs but handle more fast paced long runs too.
It´s always nice to watch a comprehensive review but man we don´t agree haha. I guess in the end all our feet and legs and needs are completely different. I tried both of these shoes and I hated - I really hated the Beacon. I need much more support for my feet than what the Beacon will ever be able to give me - to me it felt a bit like putting a piece of chewing gum on my feet and I didnt appreciate it. The Clifton 5 is one of my two day-to-day shoes. I find it amazing as it almost programs my feet to do better even in other shoes. It is more stiff in the design (still very soft and cushy though) but that´s exactly what I am looking for. Thank you for sharing your thoughts - I concluded that we are quite different runners ;)
That is a fair assessment Thomas and as I’m reading your comment I’m literally racing up my Beacons right now :-)
I've been running in the Pegasus 35 and Seth I know you like them, when I was running in them i was 207 now I'm down to 194, and I actually had to stop running for 2 weeks because it killed my knees it literally felt like there was no cushion. So I've been on an elliptical machine and Walking for 2 weeks, I've done a lot of stretching and maintenance on my legs and rest. So I switch to Hoka Nepali, haven't ran in them yet, but I wore them and the cushion is amazing. So that's the shoe I'm going to be running in. And the reason, I just don't have the money to buy other shoes right now, for different Runs.
Brent, smart to rest! The maintenance in between runs, as you well know, is just as important as the actual running we do. I'll be interested to see what you think of the Napali shoes after a couple weeks.
I didn't love the Clifton 5's, but we got to get a look at the Clifton 6's at an expo and I'm willing to give them another shot.
Are you in Austin for the shoe show?
@@SethJamesDeMoor Naw, I saw it on Jamison Michael's channel
I’ve been training in the Altra Torin and Escalante. I prefer the Escalante for racing because it is so light. My times are always faster in the Escalante. However, I’m currently training for a half marathon and I do experience foot fatigue in both shoes after 8 to 10 miles. May try Altra’s Duo eventually or the Escalante racer which is designed stiffer for racing. Would love a comparison of the Beacon with the Torins for long distance.
Awesome, will try to work on that soon. Glad you have found success in the Altra line up. I'll be taking the Torins out for another spin today.
Middle to long distance shoe currently? I believe that I am one of only three or four people in the world that love the the Adidas Energy Boost. I've ran a road marathon and a mountain marathon in Switzerland in these guys. I have had four pairs of them and they just don't quit! And, in my opinion, heavy or not they work in all occasions. I read reviews and watched videos about how they aren't a serious shoe. But I love them. I tried the Beacons, love them up to about 10 miles, but then the fresh foam falls away. (As a side note, i tried original Zante and they were good up to about the 10 mile point, also.) However, i must throw in that I am 52 years old and my legs need more underneath than a younger, more efficient runner would need.
Eddie Crapo GREAT comment, thank you for helping me understand these different shoes better.... I may have a Zante on the way 😁
I love my hoka cliftons, I'm a Highschool runner and I'm still growing so I don't have only one pair of running shoes and I've found that the cliftons have enough Cush for 10+ mile runs but also enough responsiveness for faster days. If I could get multiple shoes I would get a shoe for faster days but for now the Clifton is perfect for me because it is a good all around shoe
Smart call Ben! Save that $ and yes the Cliftons will do the trick!
neat to watch one your older videos. kind of memory
right! really fun. thanks for being such a faithful viewer todd!
haven't even finished the video but love it already :)
Thanks : )
Go-to long run shoe is the Altra Olympus 3. Great cushion that does fatigue later in the run. It's springy as well, similar to the the nike react. Comfortable upper and breathable. My go-to was the Clifton series but after the 4th version they lost their way.
rooster miller OLYMPUS!
My go to mid to long run shoe is the launch 5 it's a responsive ride with light cushioning, but with that it's also very light and has a good amount of pop. I find its just super reliable, and if I'm ever trying to figure out the right shoe to wear I grab for my launch. I recently picked up the clifton 5 so maybe they'll fit this role as well.
Awesome Alexander.
At the moment the Skechers GOrun ride 7. I got to the shoe on October 17th and have since then 227 mls including 7 long-runs around 20 mls. For example today I ran 33K on a hilly route, which made it tough. Ave speed was 7 min 48s per mile and the shoe felt great. There are 4 reasons why I wear them for long runs at the moment: 1. Cushioning: surface is hard in winter time. So it's more comfortable when the shoe has more cushioning, 2. Recovery: when I wear Skechers GRR7 my legs feel amazing the day after my long run, 3. the shoe is good for a wide speed range. It feels good when I run slowly but also fine if I want to run faster on asphalt or gravel. Indoors and on a treadmill it's terrible. I tested that too. The shoe was too soft but on a hard surface it's amazing. 4. Volume: it has more volume than Pegasus 35 for example, i.e. I can wear thicker socks now in winter.
Baltsu AMAZING COMMENT! Thanks for educating me on the Ride 7, I learned a ton in this comment 👍🏻 I appreciate you taking the time to break down your experience in these shoes.
@@SethJamesDeMoor it's numero uno :) ruclips.net/video/E6kvvTXYIkM/видео.html
Hey Seth - try the Cavu 2 - should compare very favourably with your NB Beacons .. my long slow runs (30-35Km) are Hoka Bondis - they give your legs a work out and will never hurt you. For off road I have Mafate and some Altras .. it is really important to vary your terrain when training hence the mix of road and trail shoes.
Thanks for your review .. subscribing 😉
Welcome and thanks for subscribing. Cavu 2, will consider... So many shoes so little time. Onward and Upward.
gosekinz Have you worn the Altra Torrin? I’m having some strange issues with the Clifton 5...not very comfortable for the first couple of miles...
I've had a lot of injuries and tendonitis with ultraboost and brooks ghost 10
then I got an Ultraboost ST and it was nice, my knees still hurt but it's so stiff.
So a guy I met at a run recommend a Hoka to me this August, I got a Gaviota and has been running pain free ever since.
WOW! This is great news. Congrats on the pain free running, isn't that the best!
New Balance Vongo V2 (4mm) & Topo Megnifly2 ( 0 mm) are my long run best friend.The reason I choose these because of lower drop & still have some cushion under feet also very big nice toe box & super durability.
Ryan, I can't wait to get my hands on the VONGOS!
Those are some fancy shots downtown Denver you made there! Casey Neistat should see those :-).
Even though I've never run in any of both shoes, experience with the Hoka ATR and other shoes gave me similar conclusions. Hoka shines on real long runs, because they retain a certain "firmness" after miles & miles which actually protects the foot (less work for the toes to stabilize your body with every step). Shoes with extra cushion or flexibility initially feel great, but make your feet work harder for stability. After my Hoka ATR period, I switched to the Mizuno Rider (less cush up front giving the same effect), which is now my long run shoe, together with the Pegasus. I used to limit the Pegasus to 15 miles, although v34 with the zoom unit up front seems to cope with more miles for a single run...
Agreed completely with the 'tired' feel in flexible shoes. Beacons feel great at the beginning, but anything past 8 miles you start to get pretty tired. Thanks as always for chiming into the "Question of the Day" with great analysis here.
QD: New Balance Beacon for my mid to long distance runs. Just really comfortable with a lot of cushioning to help me last through longer runs
RandomGuy Great to heat that they work for you. So glad you left a comment! New vlog every day, dropping for you
Middle to long distance: Clifton3 so far but as the model is discontinued (and as it reaches its end of life on my end), the 'next marathon shoe' remains a question. Was expecting for the Clifton 5 or the Skechers GoRunRide 7 to be that shoe but none of those will. Was actually hoping the Beacon to be a marathon shoe but it does not seem to be your recommendation. Thanks for the video!!
You’re welcome Stephane. Correct, I would try a different shoe for the marathon. Let me know if you have any other questions about marathon shoes.
@@SethJamesDeMoor I do actually and maybe that can be a subject for a next video: Which shoes currently available on the market (either released in 2018, or before and still available) could potentially be good options for a marathon. I understand that it depends on a lot of factors, but it would be interesting to get your input on this. Thanks!!
Seth! Great video. I purchased the zoom fly 3. Now I am thinking about buying the beacons or the Saucony ISO which are on sale at running warehouse. Going to do some training. Will be doing 30-40 miles per week. Any suggestions between the two?
I've tried both and own the Beacon. I have no idea why someone would pick this version of the Clifton over the Beacon. Maybe if they had to have the rocker sole then I would understand it, but the Beacon has a bit of that going on as well. Also, if anyone has medium to wide feet then the Beacon will fit them better. There is more space in them than in the Clifton, which often feels too narrow.
FULLY agree with your assessment here, spot on!
The Nike Pegasus is my go-to shoe for all of my easy and long runs. It's pretty fast, responsive, and had just the right amount of cushion and support for me. I don't really like the idea of switching up trainers frequently. I like to stick to one shoe that works for me. I do though workout in the Nike Streak LTs, and race in the Nike Matumbos and Victorys.
Awesome Harry!
Nice work in the comparo, still gonna roll in my Hokas.
Nice, what is your go to Hokas?
Nike Epic Flynit Reacts are my favorite. As a new Runner my first pair of running shoes was a Asics. I couldn't run past a 5k without having pain. I then switch to the Nike epic Flyknit reacts and can run half a marathon. Definitely the Nikes are my go-to trainers. Because my feet are somewhat wide I bought a pair of New Balance beacons and they fit my feet very well, however I am so used to the Nike epic Flyknit reacts, I can feel a big difference not having that support indifferent style shoe. It's the heel in the Nikes that really do it for me
Wonderful Rhonda and thanks for the background on what shoes work for you.
As others have commented on shoe buying tips: if you find a shoe that works for you or you want to buy but too $$$, wait for color change or version update it will be discounted. Join a running club, most (like mine) have a local running store discount or Running Warehouse 15 % discount. When buying from AMAZON use your Dicover or Visa card cash back...free$ makes shoes half price or free! I completely agree with other comments about marketing hype...be an educated consumer!
please any update on Hoka
Qd: lol my long distance right now is only 6 miles. I like running in the legend reacts for that. I seem to get less tired wearing those and i like the react foam. Shorter distance i wear the peg35. If its below feezing i use winflo5 shield. I havent started running trails yet
roughly how many miles do you have in each shoe and how have the out soles held up ? Love the channel !
Seth, I 'd like you to share your insights about the difference offset on the Cliftons. On their site, Hoka establishes a 29mm 24 mm which 5 mm drop and you mentioned a 11mm drop. Thanks.
How do you set up such cinematic shots? Do you have multiple cameras or do you set up one and then run back and run past?
The later : )
Hey seth good video per usual.
I was switching from the nike pegs to the brooks ghosts. And i actually started doin more runs in the ghost they are so plush. Can barely hear my foot strike. Easy pace miles 8.20 to 7.30 pace feels amazing. Would love to see u try the brooks ghost 11. P.s my bro has literally just been diagnosed with mild plantar hahaa and he wants new shoes. I sent him straight to your channel. Keep up the inspirational work man. I.love running :)
Thanks Peter for the comment and for sharing about your experience. Onward and upward.
Regarding heal to toe drops on both shoes, conflicting information on the internet. It seems that the Runnersworld website has the incorrect measurements on both shoes!
Correct sizes:
The New Balance website confirmed its 6mm.
Hoka Clifton 5 website confirmed its 5mm
I have pinned a comment to the top here in the comments with correct drop information. Thanks for bringing this to my attention
The Nike Vomero has been my go to for years. Great cushion and very comfortable
Did you get the 14?
@@SethJamesDeMoor It comes in on Tuesday from Running Warehouse. I waited for a different color option as I usually like to get something different than just black/white. Really excited to try it out but bummed yours got swiped :/
Will Bates oooohhhhh, what color?
Seth James DeMoor it’s a maroon color! Super clean and has a little bit of that Nike neon
Great videos, Congrats!! I use Hoka Mach, protects my feet and is not too soft, firmer and more responsive than Clifton. Also like Salomon RA.
Did it happen to get blisters in the beginning near the arch area?
I would go for Altra Paradigm 4.0 which gives me extra support in my long run over 20 miles. Ego midsole is forgiving and zero drop does not suck up excessive energy from my muscle.
Eddie Tong nice Eddie, is the Paradigm the most cushioned Altra shoe?
Although I am not so sure, it should be one of the most cushioned in Altra line. Torin and Duo are also maximal cushioned shoes.
I currently run in the Clifton 5's doing 3 to 4 runs a week averaging 6 to 10 miles. I bought them to replace my Brooks Glycerin 16's. I feel both are great shoe's for the mid to long run category. The Brooks are a little more responsive and feel quicker, but they seemed to wear out faster. I'd be interested in comparing the Glycerin or Ghost to the new Hoka Rincon. Let me know if you have a comparison already.
I didn't run a really long distance but I'll go for Newbalance zante v4 .
I have a Zante 4 on the way!
Hey, were u there for Colder Boulder today?
madan mallikarjun Not today, and you?
I’ve been a Hoka Runner for 9 years. My latest Bondi 6 gave me a blister on the side of my big toe knuckle after 40miles. I feel personally betrayed.
Just a kind correction😉Been wearing Cliftons around 3 years and drop should be 5 mm. which also can be confirmed from Hoka internet site.
Yes, bad information from the Runner's World website.
Is there a camera man or you are doing it by yourself?
I use the levitate Brooks I just love this shoe for my runs. I tried the Hoka Napoli just to bulky sent it back to Running Warehouse. Run on.
Daniel, great to know on the Napoli.
My go to mid- to long-distance shoe is the Skechers GORun Ride 7. I did an 83-minute 11.5 mile run yesterday in them and felt great the whole way. Very plush, but I didn’t feel like they slowed me down.
Awesome! Great to know.
Would love to see your opinion on the Nike Epic React. Those are on sale now.
Chai Dont bay Peg-turbo!
I never tried the epics but i run in the legend and i like those
Why : ) ???
Seth James DeMoor why do i like the ledgends? To me they are very comfy and the react foam seems to absorb lots of shock. Alot of people who have ran in the epics seem to not like the ledgends
Wait, other than running, what else do you do?
HUSTLE : )
I wear the same trainers for everything besides workouts which I then wear spikes or flats depending on the workout. I wear the Nike Winflo 5 which is an extremely neutral shoe and actually quite stiff but I like it a lot. For spikes I wear the Nike Zoom Victory 3 for track and the New Balance 900v4 for Cross. And I have no idea what my flats are called
Thanks
Jordan Shackelford
I also love the Nike winflo for longer runs they don't seem to get much attention but definitely the best long distance shoe I've had
Interesting Jordan and Kevin, I can't say that I've ever used the Winflos for long runs, will look into them right now. Thanks for the lead.
They are on the softer side but weigh less than Nike Pegasus and are way cheaper I've used them recently for my last 3 half marathons and each time got a pb for me they feel the perfect balance between cushioning and responsiveness. They seem to get hardly no attention at all! Am no where near upto your level of running so would be really interesting to see what you think. but for me, they are the best trainer I have, beat my new balance 1080 V8, new balance Zante and my Nike Pegasus.
Soft huh? I would have to say that was the opposite of my first impression. They seemed to me to be very light and minimal with not a lot of protection, which up here in the mountains on mostly dirt roads is alright I feel like. Definitely a cool thought though
kevin cheesman Just looked up the Winflos, they look simpler than the Pegs, no bells and whistles 👍🏻
I've run in Hoka Cliftons before and every pair has given me a blister on the top of my index toe. Maybe it's just my own anatomical quirk, but I can't go over 90 minutes in the shoe. Which is too bad, because otherwise I like them. If I could find a pair for $20, I'd take a flyer on the Clifton 5s, but otherwise...
Curt Bentley Thanks Curto for the comment, hmmmm, not sure on that blister issue. $20 😁
My parents refuse to buy me shoes for specific distances. I only have one pair of running shoes, which are the downshifter 7’s and do not own a pair of racing flats.
That's fair, it takes time to build up a variety of shoes for different distances. We all must remain grateful for what we have.
You'll do great! Until recently, I did all my runs: long, speedwork, recovery and races in my trainers. I still crushed it, so will you!
K Anderson Amen!
What camera or cameras are you using for this video?
Canon 1D
I'm only seeing the women's sizes in the baby blue color. Where did you order them from?
Yes they are the women’s version which fit my foot better. You hoping to get a pair?
@@SethJamesDeMoor I am! I say them for some really good prices on Amazon right now.
I use clifton 5 for long run, and bondi 6 for easy lazy day.
Peg 35 for fast under 10k, but recently starting feel the PF with this shoe,
And just got hoka tracer 2 only US$35 (crazy end year sale) for replacing the peg 35.
Shoe recommendation? I get sore, stiff joints and overpronate slightly. I just started running 5ks 4x a week and might want to go further in the future. What shoe should I get? I have a stability trainer but find it quite hard (Nike zoom structure 21).
Both of the shoes in this video could be an option, and I like the Skechers Razor 3 as it is nice and soft, or the Nike Pegasus 35 Turbo.
@@SethJamesDeMoor thank for your reply! :) As I'm new, can you please explain why you think those shoes might be of help to me? Excluding the sketchers as unfortunately you can't get them in the UK :(
@@SethJamesDeMoor I've been looking at the Pegasus turbo, kayano 25, brooks ghost 10, epic react, vomero 14 but have no idea what best suits my needs?
Your speed came whit years of running?roughly what your full week of training looks like?
Ive been watching a lot of new balance beacon review. I am currently looking for a versatile shoe that can do long easy 19km-25km and can be used as 10-15km tempo run.
As for the question of the day.l, my Go to long run shoes are my vomero 10 and vomero 13. My vomero 10 has already logged 850+km but I am still using it because I find it more cushioned than my vomero 13.
I LOVE my Vomero 14s. Onward! Let me know if you have any other Beacon questions.
Im down to two choices now. The beacon and skechers go run ride 7. Which do you is a better choice for tempo runs?
New Balance 1080 fresh foam
I used the Beacon for the Chicago Marathon 2018, PR'd by 24 mins. So hearing you say that the beacon is not good good for longer runs make me question my decision on my marathon shoes and maybe try something else less "flexible".
Congrats Jay! I would bet money that you could go even faster in a more rigid shoe.
I think it's a good choice for a marathon, especially if you are out there over 3 hours. A firm shoe becomes a drawback at that point and demands more energy out of your legs to absorb the repeated ground shock.
Dude, great job. I just bought the Bondi six and for an older fat boy like me it’s absolutely a dream. Can you do a review on the Bondi six?
Seth, not sure if anyone has already mentioned this to you but have you checked out athleanX? Jeff has recently done a really interesting video on fixing PF issues. May be worth a look!
Michael Clark Yes, I did see it, great information thanks Michael
2 mile Indoor track vaporfly im very curious to see if they will preform well
indoor? hmmmm
i want to know the music at 4:54
Can you review the Skechers Razor 3 please!?!
Would love to but I don’t own a pair : )
Saucony Triumph ISO 👍
What vest are you using
This one is a Raidlight. I also have Ultimate Direction. Love them both. How about you?
I’m just starting out in the ultra marathon game, so just looking for a good start
Hoka Bondi's all the way. I dont get hurt running in them
QD: my race day shoe is the zoom fly sp and for my tempo runs it the Sketchers Go Run Ride 7 and for my maximal cushioned shoe it’s the joke Clifton 5
Rai Lopez Nice line up Rai, I’m VERY interested in the Zoom Fly SP 👍🏻 You like a lot?
For the Road: Altra Torin and trails: Altra Lone Peak. Altra is all I need!
Hey Seth the drop info you provided is off. Clifton 5 = 5mm and Beacon = 6mm.. this is off their respective sites
YES! I had a bad source of information in Runner's World, won't be going back there for shoe info ever again. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
I don't think you got the clifton 5 drop right.. It's a 5mm drop (24mm toe, 29mm heel) according to their website and my personal experience. 👀
Milan, YOU ARE CORRECT! I won't go back to Runner's World for information ever again.
So many shoe makers can thank Hoka nowadays because they have influenced so much the way running shoes are made today. For example the Beacons would have never existed if it wasn't for Hoka
I would agree that HOKA has completely disrupted the marketplace. Who will disrupt next?
Seth James DeMoor keep your eyes on the ASICS Kayano 26 👀 it’s looking like a massive update that will shoot ASICS right back to the top
One last thing please try new balance rc 1400 they are the fastest shoes you will ever try I promise
Looking it up now David.
Nice!
thx
The best shoe I have ever run in after 40 years of running is the Nike Vaporfly 4%. Hands down. But my every day trainer, given I am also fighting PF, is the Hoka Cifton 5, closely followed by the Hoka Clifton 3. Now you know!🤣
Thanks Kent for the comment and guidance here with the Clifton comparison. Sorry about the PF, mine is finally getting better.
The Hoka Clifton 5 has a 5mm drop. Not sure where you're getting your stats from...