Yes, just a tiiiny difference: The Sweds got to use this accidentally, in order to compensate for the inability of the aircraft to land properly. The Soviets built this maneuver into the very design of the aircraft, for the obvious advantages it offers in dogfights. So it's not a-t a-l-l the same thing.
Somebody doesn't understand aerodynamics. Using the fuselage as an air brake while in a stall is the exact opposite of what is needed to recover from a stall.
His explaination is wrong, if you encounter a superstall in a Draken you can't pull the nose downwards as in a conventionall plane, instead you have to pull the nose upwards so you regain enough speed to pull the nose down.
@@fredeb67 On a delta wing, it will impart more force to the larger wing section than the forward areas causing the aircraft to rotate forward bringing the nose down. Lift got nothing to do with it. That or you chose this time to merely state the obvious.
Don't ever assume that somebody is the first to do something. As long as your field has been a thing there's always someone doing it before even you and has never gotten recognition for it.
French trappers in 16th century,were 1st to "scalp" Indians, they just did it back for revenge. Newspapers picked up that " "savages" were scalping, lol
The point of most post stall maneuvering is not really for combat uses it’s really meant to demonstrate the extreme controllability of the aircraft and how departure resistant they are, which is a mark of excellent aerodynamic design.. Nobody really intends to use those kinds of moves in an actual war.
I know there’s also a Russian singer with the same last name - Alla Pugacheva and Emelyan Pugachev - the Don Cossack who started the peasant uprising in 1773-1775 to confront Katherine II.
Initially, it was clear that during the information war, all the achievements of the USSR and Russia would be attributed to other countries. The so-called "Pugachev's Cobra" was born because of the AL-31F vector thrust engines, which were created in 1988, as well as the design features of the SU family of aircraft. On most SAAB 35 Draken fighters have the Avon 300-series engine (Volvo Flygmotor RM 6C), this is a Swedish licensed copy of the British Rolls-Royce Avon RA engine 24. These engines did not have vector thrust.
There are still veteran Draken pilots about in Sweden. Met one at one of the Airforce museums in Sweden. The museum had a fair shair of veterans hanging about. Very nice, polite and totally bad ass gentleman. He had done and seen stuff and knew a ton on the Draken at the museum. Many years ago I also met Swedish veteran pilots in a having flew the Flygande tunnan in combat. These museums in Sweden are great, there are at leasts two airforce related ones and at least one tank related one. Showing a lot of things, but also tell a story about history.. Sometimes the people using these vehicles also are still live and hanging around, telling a story.
In the end the Cobra isn't a smart combat move. It's purely for demonstration or awe factor (except the Swedish version here). In reality if a pilot did this in a dogfight, they're good as dead since you bleed almost all your airspeed and create a huge target for your pursuer. It only works in movies
From my perspective, it kinda work. But, only in close combat where short-range missile and cannons are relevant. This was thanks to the fact that the plane instantly lose speed, and make the trailing plane overshoot, this only applied to 1v1 scenario, which is rare. For BVR combat, I don't think so.
@@lonewolf2077what you just described would probably fit 1% of engagements, maybe less. Modern jet fighting is mostly one jet fires a missile at another who never knew they were there. If its an actual fight, both jets going so fast in opposing directions they have a split second to lock to shoot, or one gets a few thousand feet behind the other for a solid few seconds to lock or shoot, and this maneuver is too short range to change the outcome, just make a bigger target. So youre not incorrect, but youre about as not correct as you can be without being incorrect.
KNAAPO - Komsomolsk on Amure Aircraft Production Assoc. (Sukoi) had "Cobra" stall as part of air show routine to demonstrate SU-27's controllability at low airspeed with new vectoring engine nozzles. A legendary sales maneuver never intended for a serious fight.
the difference is, that contrary to draken, su27 remains fully controllable during this manuevre. Otherwise You can count planes of 1930s performing ascending stall, as supermanuevrable aircrafts.
One thing important is Pugachev did it in Paris Airshow, a worlds big event of Aeronautical,with a thousands attendance watching him do this stuning maneuver on fighter jet, thats why we knowing Pugachev as the first one, not his partner igor or sweden pilots.
Cobra was first seen being done by Syrian / Egyptian Mig-21 pilots as noted by Israeli pilots, during dog fights, Egyptians / syrians unsuccessfully deployed it. Pakistani pilots flying for Syrian Air Force also came to know of this maneuver and was anxious to make sure that Indian Air Force doesn't get to learn this trick, as Indian mig-21 was more maneuverable than Pakistani mirages. I'm not saying syrians were the first one to do it but certainly swedes were not. We will never know for sure who actually invented this.
If I’m not certain but I think there was also an Egyptian pilot who messed around with his mig 21 in the 70s and did it accidentally and that’s how the Russian knew about the move
yep. a Mig 21 bis. but no. they knew it from interractions with Swedish Draken pilots, who liked to surprise russian pilots by doing this maneauver right next to them. no statement is known about what the russians thought about it, but having your advesary be from right next to you, to be behind you in perfect attack angle in 2-3 seconds can be quite scary.
@@cmdrantezscar3368What would be funny, is if later Russian pilots also practiced this move, and next time a Swedish pilot does it, so does the Russian pilot. And now they're in a race on who can reach zero speed first... A drag race, done backwards, and in the air...
Base on the wings, it's much more complex to do the cobra on a SU27 , then a draken. A draken wing is joint to the tail in one panel of wing. The SU wing and tail flaps. Thats the difference.
its quite easy in both. in the Draken its literally just slow down to between 300-400 km/h and pull the stick towards you as fast as you can, then pul it back, and boom youve done it. the Su-27 uses a fly-by-wire system, so everything it does is calculated by computers, it whould be quite easy to controll it aswell.
@@IldarIsm same maneauver, like pulling your stick towards you making the nose point upwards, making your entire plane into an airbrake. tha maneauver is the same. why it is so different between the su-27's and the draken is because the SU-27 is fly-by-wire, and very computerized. while the Draken, while also helped by computer isnt fly-by-wire, and very analog in its design, thanks to it also being almsot 20 years older than the Su-27.
The pugachov cobra is more than just an airframe move. It allows him to do a full roll, a roll over, or come back to neutral. It got better, with the introduction of 3d thrust vectoring. Where the agility is higher, and prevents the complete loss of energy.
There's no such thing as 'complete loss of energy' while flying. Airspeed is simply converted to kinetic, downward energy fed by gravity. 3D and 2D thrust vectoring wasn't designed to recoup 'lost energy'. If anything, they cause greater loss of airspeed energy because of the G's forced upon the airframe. Orienting your exhaust one way causes your plane to alter it's pitch dramatically, and that comes at a cost. Multidimensional thrust vectoring just allows the pilot to have more control over the jet's movements and stability.
@@Archid11unfortunately more people rely on Hollywood for their information and education than real world training. 50% of nurses think a defibrillator will start your heart beating. It stops your heart and allows it to resume a normal sinus rhythm if possible. When you flatline... Aystole you are gone. Coming back from that is rare. Even 90% won't survive CPR.
I hear Cobra and immediately think of this... "And that Cobra maneuver of yours? That could have got all three of you killed. I never want to see that shit again!"
The only reason Russian one got famous was because the Su-27 (and MiG-29) which could do this was a commercial success, unlike the Draken which wasn't sold anywhere else and was mostly unheard of, unlike the Flanker and the Fulcrum
Draken was sold to three foreign countries, Austria, Denmark and Finland. The mistake the Swedes did was to not perform this maneuver at a major air show.
@Drxyz-tk6le "The Saab 35 Draken is known for, among other things, its many "firsts" within aviation. It was the first Western European-built combat aircraft with true supersonic capability to enter service and the first fully supersonic aircraft to be deployed in Western Europe. Designwise it was one of, if not the first, combat aircraft designed with double delta wings, being drawn up by early 1950. The unconventional wing design also had the side effect of making it the first known aircraft to be capable of and perform the Cobra maneuver." From the Wikipedia
They could have held it just as long as that soviet pilot did at that air show and that is what counts. I don't care if a Flanker could hold it for two weeks, that doesn't matter since the Cobra maneuver isn't defined by a specific amount of time. @Drxyz-tk6le
@Drxyz-tk6le the Su-27 was built almost 2 DECADES after the Swedish started using this maneuver with their Drakens. the Su-27 was heavely digitalized. using Fly-By-wire, while the Draken did not have fly-by-wire. its still a maneavre. dosnt matter if you dont think so. it is. and has always been seen as such.
@@vendist even the US bought some to test them for their maneauverability, and the feasability of double delta designs. and after that they where used for some pilot training.
The narrator: Explains that the plane was so unstable that pilots had to come up with a special maneuver while trying to perform a regular landing. Commentators: Continue to admire the plane 🤔
Unstable doesn't mean what you think it does. Most fighters are "aerodynamically unstable". It basically makes the plane want to turn. Improves manouverability. Stable fighter wants to fly straight, and a change in aerodynamic properties must be made to turn it. An unstable fighter can't really fly straight. It want's to turn, so the computer must make tiny corrections all the time to keep it on its tracks. F-22 is aerodynamically unstable also.
@@hammer911tube Well in the case of Draken it was the pilot who had to give control inputs constantly. Modern jets have a fly by wire system wich does that for them. That's why Draken needed a very skilled pilot to fly it. Unstability just means that given a control input, the plane tends to keep pitching or yawing even after the input. So without any inputs, a small variable, such as a gust of wind might introduce an accelerating change in pitch or yaw. Stable planes like the cessna just want to return to a level flight after an input. Nearly all jets are aerodynamically unstable. Draken, Viggen, Hornet, F-16, F-22, F-35.... List goes on and on.
So the unstability is a good thing. More unstable the plane is, more manouverable it is. So when the narrator says "it was so unstable they had to come up with a manouvre...." It's definately a good thing.
The cobra was 30 years late in air combat. Now it’s called the “hey let’s make ourselves a slow moving silhouette for the radar guided missiles” maneuver.
The cobra is not just a braking maneuver when landing. Doing it aloft is a different animal, especially at a higher speed. Nevertheless, any aircraft that can pull off such a move is impressive.
Wow...I didn't know that...I'll bet the Swedish pilots must be laughing their asses off every time they hear about Pugachev... I'm also wowed about the Swedish pilots using the unique shape of their aircraft as an air brake...
@@tanamly was it? the Danish, Finnish, and the Austrians used it (other than sweden), even USA bought some for training. not so mutch a failure. Sweden used them from 1960-1999. Austria used them to 2005.
I truly believe the Drakken was the first generation 3 jet aircraft. Look at it, when it came out America was still flying the f86 Sabre's and Russia was flying the Mig 17. The Drakken was truly an impressive desigm!
Its usefullnes is for debate, Russians only used this manouver as demonstration of what are their aircraft capable, unlike western ones. SAAB could not acheave negative tail first angle of attack and recover, nither would their engines continue working.
I was at the "Salon du Bourget" in '89. That maneuver was really impressive!. But I have to say both the sea harrier and the Antonov 224 (or225? It had a vague cooy of the shuttle on its back). That antonov was crazy. Another one that's really in my memory forever for its grace and beauty is the Lockheed Constellation
Sorry but you're WRONG. Swedish cobra is an "instability side effect" while Pugachev's is how the SU-27 can casually perform under full control of the pilot
Big boy, listen up here. Pugachev cobra is a different thing to a regular cobra. The swedes did the first cobra manouver and the russians changed it using their Su-27 creating a different way of doing a cobra, hence the name ''pugachev cobra'' instead of regular ''cobra''
Also the swedish pilots developed the emelman wich is where you do the cobra then pull it the rest of the way through the maneuver in top gun is a emelman
The Yellow squadron SU-37s in Ace Combat 4 would do this to me. I'd just shoot them down with my cannons because it's a sitting duck doing that. As Omega 11 would say, "don't fly in a straight line."
Yeah. We do this all the time, like with Ackermann steering. Ackermann didn't invent it, but its still called Ackermann steering, instead of "Lankensperger steering".
It was first used by a test pilot in the syrian mig21 when they got it, he did it to show a brake manuver on israeli pilots it was never used in battle, the pilot name is Mohammad Mansour
“I’LL HIT THE BRAKES HE WILL FLY RIGHT BY”
Your gonna do WHAT !!!!!
"I'll hit the brakes, and he'll fly right by", yeah right, you mean fly right into you!
Double delta made me think of "Double dumb ass on you." From Terminator 2, iirc.😊
And that's how i scored my next kill.
You're gonna do WHAT?!
The Draaken was one bad ass plane. Only surpassed by the Viggen and then eventually Grippen.
actually no
draken
viggen
grippen
all three are un surpassed
they are unique
@@jameshealer1395 It's "Gripen", one p.
@@WallesWillerWalla actually its just missing a " " and a "is"
F-35 moment
I mean the Swedish think the Gripen should cost as much as an F-35 so to them it may as well be the same.
the dorito
Saab.... Most underrated fighter jets of the Cold War... 🇸🇪👍🏻
U a swed too?
@@MiG-21_SPS-K...we all are...
Det lustiga är att våra Svenska plan alltid varit snäppet bättre än både de Ryska och Amerikanska... 😊
@@MiG-21_SPS-KI’m an American and I agree. What of it?
@@markfergerson2145 he had a swedish name i think
Swedish military is very underrated
su27 series airframes looks so stunning
I always just called it the Cobra and had no idea about the Swedish Draken pilots, thanks!
Yes, just a tiiiny difference: The Sweds got to use this accidentally, in order to compensate for the inability of the aircraft to land properly. The Soviets built this maneuver into the very design of the aircraft, for the obvious advantages it offers in dogfights. So it's not a-t a-l-l the same thing.
@@uslaserguideddemocracyseed1039yet we invented it.
@@EV1NRUDEyou didn't.
Sweds discovered it, soviets trained it and actually used it
@@uslaserguideddemocracyseed1039 it's a show stunt, absolutely useless in combat
God as soon as that clip from the mission “going hunting” from BF3 appeared the biggest smile happened on my face
I could literally hear it!
The beeps, the rattle, the breathing, the music!
Man me too, I just got wave of nostalgic goosebumps (if that’s the right term)
Probably my favorite mission from that game
If only you could’ve done it in multiplayer
Fun mission, but I hate how everyone hails it as "the most realistic mission in gaming." There are so many inaccuracies it hurts.
To be honest cobra is probably the best name for it
Yeah, just cobra.
сobra kai
Yeah the plane angles itself like a cobra's head.
Somebody doesn't understand aerodynamics. Using the fuselage as an air brake while in a stall is the exact opposite of what is needed to recover from a stall.
His explaination is wrong, if you encounter a superstall in a Draken you can't pull the nose downwards as in a conventionall plane, instead you have to pull the nose upwards so you regain enough speed to pull the nose down.
@@backisgabbeYT You're both wrong. The super-stall IS what pulls the nose down. Just pray you have enough remaining airspeed and altitude.
That's faceless ai-generated content - what do you want?
Aerodynamic stall is when there is not enough speed to make lift to control the aircraft. An airframe airbrake slows the aircraft even more.
@@fredeb67 On a delta wing, it will impart more force to the larger wing section than the forward areas causing the aircraft to rotate forward bringing the nose down. Lift got nothing to do with it. That or you chose this time to merely state the obvious.
Don't ever assume that somebody is the first to do something. As long as your field has been a thing there's always someone doing it before even you and has never gotten recognition for it.
French trappers in 16th century,were 1st to "scalp" Indians, they just did it back for revenge. Newspapers picked up that " "savages" were scalping, lol
Nepolion was hiting cobra manouvers on the brits xd
@@GG07ghostI believe it
@@GG07ghost💀that's some funny shit lol
@@GG07ghostthe old-school gritty.
The point of most post stall maneuvering is not really for combat uses it’s really meant to demonstrate the extreme controllability of the aircraft and how departure resistant they are, which is a mark of excellent aerodynamic design.. Nobody really intends to use those kinds of moves in an actual war.
Yeah, the jets now have missiles that have range of hundreds of kilometers. This maneuver is essentially useless against that.
These Russian pilots have cool last names
I know there’s also a Russian singer with the same last name - Alla Pugacheva and Emelyan Pugachev - the Don Cossack who started the peasant uprising in 1773-1775 to confront Katherine II.
Igor Volk's last name translates to "Wolf"
The Swedes never went past the vertical. Pugschev (and, apparently, his comrade Volk) did go slightly past the vertical.
Exactly, because their planes had no such power.
Irrelevant.
Initially, it was clear that during the information war, all the achievements of the USSR and Russia would be attributed to other countries. The so-called "Pugachev's Cobra" was born because of the AL-31F vector thrust engines, which were created in 1988, as well as the design features of the SU family of aircraft.
On most SAAB 35 Draken fighters have the Avon 300-series engine (Volvo Flygmotor RM 6C), this is a Swedish licensed copy of the British Rolls-Royce Avon RA engine 24. These engines did not have vector thrust.
Those guys had balls!
Sweden: Flies a highly unstable aircraft that does some weird moves in the air.
USSR: Wow! Igor do that thing!
Love the footage in 240p resolution. Really adds to the narrative.
No it's just Pugachev's iteration of the cobra move
* laughs in draken *
The cobra doesn't work when you are already stalling....
There are still veteran Draken pilots about in Sweden. Met one at one of the Airforce museums in Sweden. The museum had a fair shair of veterans hanging about. Very nice, polite and totally bad ass gentleman. He had done and seen stuff and knew a ton on the Draken at the museum. Many years ago I also met Swedish veteran pilots in a having flew the Flygande tunnan in combat. These museums in Sweden are great, there are at leasts two airforce related ones and at least one tank related one. Showing a lot of things, but also tell a story about history.. Sometimes the people using these vehicles also are still live and hanging around, telling a story.
In the end the Cobra isn't a smart combat move. It's purely for demonstration or awe factor (except the Swedish version here). In reality if a pilot did this in a dogfight, they're good as dead since you bleed almost all your airspeed and create a huge target for your pursuer. It only works in movies
From my perspective, it kinda work. But, only in close combat where short-range missile and cannons are relevant. This was thanks to the fact that the plane instantly lose speed, and make the trailing plane overshoot, this only applied to 1v1 scenario, which is rare. For BVR combat, I don't think so.
@@lonewolf2077what you just described would probably fit 1% of engagements, maybe less.
Modern jet fighting is mostly one jet fires a missile at another who never knew they were there. If its an actual fight, both jets going so fast in opposing directions they have a split second to lock to shoot, or one gets a few thousand feet behind the other for a solid few seconds to lock or shoot, and this maneuver is too short range to change the outcome, just make a bigger target.
So youre not incorrect, but youre about as not correct as you can be without being incorrect.
its like a heavens move
gods blessing
for propeller fighter planes
but sadly they cant do it
KNAAPO - Komsomolsk on Amure Aircraft Production Assoc. (Sukoi) had "Cobra" stall as part of air show routine to demonstrate SU-27's controllability at low airspeed with new vectoring engine nozzles. A legendary sales maneuver never intended for a serious fight.
It does work but it's not something you're just going to default to. Everything is a smart move if it works.
the difference is, that contrary to draken, su27 remains fully controllable during this manuevre. Otherwise You can count planes of 1930s performing ascending stall, as supermanuevrable aircrafts.
J-35 is one of the badass jet ever made in 1950s
One thing important is Pugachev did it in Paris Airshow, a worlds big event of Aeronautical,with a thousands attendance watching him do this stuning maneuver on fighter jet, thats why we knowing Pugachev as the first one, not his partner igor or sweden pilots.
I saw Tom Cruz do that maneuver in the first Top Gun!
And the second one too!
It’s not the same: he’s gaining much more altitude.
It's nice to be twelve and still have time to learn how to spell. 😂
Cobra was first seen being done by Syrian / Egyptian Mig-21 pilots as noted by Israeli pilots, during dog fights, Egyptians / syrians unsuccessfully deployed it. Pakistani pilots flying for Syrian Air Force also came to know of this maneuver and was anxious to make sure that Indian Air Force doesn't get to learn this trick, as Indian mig-21 was more maneuverable than Pakistani mirages. I'm not saying syrians were the first one to do it but certainly swedes were not. We will never know for sure who actually invented this.
imagine both wing yeets off due to extreme air pressure while doing these 💀
If I’m not certain but I think there was also an Egyptian pilot who messed around with his mig 21 in the 70s and did it accidentally and that’s how the Russian knew about the move
yep. a Mig 21 bis.
but no. they knew it from interractions with Swedish Draken pilots, who liked to surprise russian pilots by doing this maneauver right next to them. no statement is known about what the russians thought about it, but having your advesary be from right next to you, to be behind you in perfect attack angle in 2-3 seconds can be quite scary.
@@cmdrantezscar3368 did know that thx for letting me know
@@cmdrantezscar3368i wonder if there are any clip of that lying around on the internet, i would love to see it!❤
From now on I'll be referring to this as a Sabb death strike!!! 🤠👍🇸🇪
@@cmdrantezscar3368What would be funny, is if later Russian pilots also practiced this move, and next time a Swedish pilot does it, so does the Russian pilot. And now they're in a race on who can reach zero speed first...
A drag race, done backwards, and in the air...
This happened all the time throughout history. So many people took credit for their friends' work
Thanks for putting the record straight.
😂
The Record is already straight, it's a Russian manuver and it will always be.
@@hamadal-shebani9576 lol no one cares, Sweden did it first
@@weasle2904 Draken cobra wasn't full cobra, and real cobra was made by Egypt pilots.
@@weasle2904no one cares? Migjt want to double check that
The Rendezook move is quite impressive too.
“Come on, Pugachev, do some of that pilot shit.”
Word is Captain Boyd was able to do these in his F-100.
Base on the wings, it's much more complex to do the cobra on a SU27 , then a draken. A draken wing is joint to the tail in one panel of wing. The SU wing and tail flaps. Thats the difference.
The real difference is in when they both did it. drakens are far older than SU-27s or the canard variants (my favorite being the SU-33)
its quite easy in both. in the Draken its literally just slow down to between 300-400 km/h and pull the stick towards you as fast as you can, then pul it back, and boom youve done it.
the Su-27 uses a fly-by-wire system, so everything it does is calculated by computers, it whould be quite easy to controll it aswell.
You are talking about two different manuvers
@@IldarIsm same maneauver, like pulling your stick towards you making the nose point upwards, making your entire plane into an airbrake.
tha maneauver is the same. why it is so different between the su-27's and the draken is because the SU-27 is fly-by-wire, and very computerized. while the Draken, while also helped by computer isnt fly-by-wire, and very analog in its design, thanks to it also being almsot 20 years older than the Su-27.
@@cmdrantezscar3368actually, to do Cobra in Su-27, you have to switch to "direct mode", bypassing FCS's assistance
Yeah, because saying Swedish Cobra makes it sound like one of the snake plushies from IKEA.
I'm still looking for that Pugachov thing that made me replay it 2 times.🙄
And it's still Pugachev🥴🥴YudiPugachov😊
The first 'Cobra' was done by Mohammad Mansour of the Syrian Airforce in 1967 with a MiG 21.
Wrong! That's still after the swedes did it... They started developing the maneuver between 1961-1963.
The pugachov cobra is more than just an airframe move. It allows him to do a full roll, a roll over, or come back to neutral.
It got better, with the introduction of 3d thrust vectoring. Where the agility is higher, and prevents the complete loss of energy.
and it's still useless outside of airshows
There's no such thing as 'complete loss of energy' while flying. Airspeed is simply converted to kinetic, downward energy fed by gravity. 3D and 2D thrust vectoring wasn't designed to recoup 'lost energy'. If anything, they cause greater loss of airspeed energy because of the G's forced upon the airframe. Orienting your exhaust one way causes your plane to alter it's pitch dramatically, and that comes at a cost. Multidimensional thrust vectoring just allows the pilot to have more control over the jet's movements and stability.
Bull shit
@@Archid11unfortunately more people rely on Hollywood for their information and education than real world training. 50% of nurses think a defibrillator will start your heart beating. It stops your heart and allows it to resume a normal sinus rhythm if possible. When you flatline... Aystole you are gone. Coming back from that is rare. Even 90% won't survive CPR.
@@Archid11Not true. They can be very useful in dogfights if timed right and completed correctly . This is common sense.
I hear Cobra and immediately think of this... "And that Cobra maneuver of yours? That could have got all three of you killed. I never want to see that shit again!"
The swedish Dorito air brake maneuver
It's a classic let me tell you that
Funny kite plne
@@SRDPS2 Hence the name, "drake" means both kite and dragon in Swedish.
in Swedish it's called "Kort Parad" which means short parade
The only reason Russian one got famous was because the Su-27 (and MiG-29) which could do this was a commercial success, unlike the Draken which wasn't sold anywhere else and was mostly unheard of, unlike the Flanker and the Fulcrum
Draken was sold to three foreign countries, Austria, Denmark and Finland. The mistake the Swedes did was to not perform this maneuver at a major air show.
@Drxyz-tk6le "The Saab 35 Draken is known for, among other things, its many "firsts" within aviation. It was the first Western European-built combat aircraft with true supersonic capability to enter service and the first fully supersonic aircraft to be deployed in Western Europe. Designwise it was one of, if not the first, combat aircraft designed with double delta wings, being drawn up by early 1950. The unconventional wing design also had the side effect of making it the first known aircraft to be capable of and perform the Cobra maneuver." From the Wikipedia
They could have held it just as long as that soviet pilot did at that air show and that is what counts. I don't care if a Flanker could hold it for two weeks, that doesn't matter since the Cobra maneuver isn't defined by a specific amount of time. @Drxyz-tk6le
@Drxyz-tk6le the Su-27 was built almost 2 DECADES after the Swedish started using this maneuver with their Drakens. the Su-27 was heavely digitalized. using Fly-By-wire, while the Draken did not have fly-by-wire.
its still a maneavre. dosnt matter if you dont think so. it is. and has always been seen as such.
@@vendist even the US bought some to test them for their maneauverability, and the feasability of double delta designs.
and after that they where used for some pilot training.
Pugachev's Cobra is like a name out of fiction, very cool name
The narrator: Explains that the plane was so unstable that pilots had to come up with a special maneuver while trying to perform a regular landing.
Commentators: Continue to admire the plane
🤔
To be fair, all supersonic jets built in the 50s (and later!) had tons of teething problems as their aerodynamics weren't figured out quite yet.
Unstable doesn't mean what you think it does. Most fighters are "aerodynamically unstable". It basically makes the plane want to turn. Improves manouverability.
Stable fighter wants to fly straight, and a change in aerodynamic properties must be made to turn it.
An unstable fighter can't really fly straight. It want's to turn, so the computer must make tiny corrections all the time to keep it on its tracks.
F-22 is aerodynamically unstable also.
@juhovalio5906 so which computer did they use in the 50's to stabilize Saab 35 Draken?
@@hammer911tube Well in the case of Draken it was the pilot who had to give control inputs constantly. Modern jets have a fly by wire system wich does that for them. That's why Draken needed a very skilled pilot to fly it.
Unstability just means that given a control input, the plane tends to keep pitching or yawing even after the input. So without any inputs, a small variable, such as a gust of wind might introduce an accelerating change in pitch or yaw.
Stable planes like the cessna just want to return to a level flight after an input.
Nearly all jets are aerodynamically unstable. Draken, Viggen, Hornet, F-16, F-22, F-35.... List goes on and on.
So the unstability is a good thing. More unstable the plane is, more manouverable it is.
So when the narrator says "it was so unstable they had to come up with a manouvre...."
It's definately a good thing.
The cobra was 30 years late in air combat. Now it’s called the “hey let’s make ourselves a slow moving silhouette for the radar guided missiles” maneuver.
su-27 is my second favorite jet
What's your first?
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@@Jesus_Christ_loves_you_alot JAS-39 Gripen-E
The A *BRRRTTT* 10 Will always be my favorite eagle
I did not know that. Thank you for sharing.
Pilots dogfighting in WWI "Are we a joke to you?"
He's not the first, but he's the one who makes it popular.
I thought Andrew Tate invented the cobra maneuver.
I think he uses another Cobra since years 😉🤣🤣🤣🐍 for other things
Because that sounds cooler than "Sven's Panic Brake"
The cobra is not just a braking maneuver when landing. Doing it aloft is a different animal, especially at a higher speed.
Nevertheless, any aircraft that can pull off such a move is impressive.
It was phrased wrong, using a cobra to land is one of the most idiotic things anyone can do in anything.
its also useless in real modern air to air combat
@@TheRealAb216no documentation of a cobra ever being used in combat
Kort parad, or "short parry", it was called in Sweden. Also theoretically a way to end up behind a pursuer in a dog fighter.
Wow...I didn't know that...I'll bet the Swedish pilots must be laughing their asses off every time they hear about Pugachev...
I'm also wowed about the Swedish pilots using the unique shape of their aircraft as an air brake...
True...
But still the plane was a literal failure commercially unlike the Su27
So it's easier to market something when you have an Ace of Spades
@@tanamly You're quite right...
@@tanamly was it? the Danish, Finnish, and the Austrians used it (other than sweden), even USA bought some for training. not so mutch a failure. Sweden used them from 1960-1999. Austria used them to 2005.
@@tanamlyit still got sold to multiple nations internationally so it wasn’t a failure
Damn…Swedes are crafty
Now I know why my 1990 Saab 9000CD behaved the way it did, whenever I kicked down the Turbo! 🤣
The F14 also did the maneuver during test flying in 1974. You can find the footage in F14 documentaries.
Ohh gimme break
:))) I KNOW FOR SURE ..... an american already did it just like the first satelite in space :)))
@@GABYDOWme looking for the Soviet flag on the lunar surface 👀 👀 👀
@@thl205Luna 2 probe scattered Soviet pennants on Moon surface long before Apollo 11 reached the Moon.
No that wasnt a full cobra
I have always heard it just called "the cobra maneuver"
I truly believe the Drakken was the first generation 3 jet aircraft. Look at it, when it came out America was still flying the f86 Sabre's and Russia was flying the Mig 17. The Drakken was truly an impressive desigm!
US fighter pilot John Boyd was doing that back in the 60s. He called it "flat plating".
The Draken was a marvelous plane.
that maneuver cobra I used when confronted by my mother in law 😅😅😅
Before the internet (1995), many armchair pilots had heard of the cobra maneuver, but never saw an example of it on film.
Things War Thunder gamers found out when Swedish jets were released .
No no no no no don't try to change this
[Also interesting to know about the super stall]
Its usefullnes is for debate, Russians only used this manouver as demonstration of what are their aircraft capable, unlike western ones.
SAAB could not acheave negative tail first angle of attack and recover, nither would their engines continue working.
The Cobra and the Pugachev's Cobra are two different menuvers
Any links that show differences of both?
@@lvhdmya4807 Top gun maverick: the f18 does the cobra, the su57 does the pugachev's cobra
@@shadowgames50no, the Su 57 does a kvouchers bell
In the 70s
remember tomcats at the end of the catapult with her afterburners on going straight up
was always a tanker waiting for her
Russians did this in dogfights, while the Swedish did this because their planes couldn't land properly. Russians deserve the name
Russians did it in airshows, not dogfights.
The cobra is used to fall behind the attacker, and its also used to drop pulse-doppler radar locks.@@quacksly509
I was at the "Salon du Bourget" in '89. That maneuver was really impressive!.
But I have to say both the sea harrier and the Antonov 224 (or225? It had a vague cooy of the shuttle on its back). That antonov was crazy.
Another one that's really in my memory forever for its grace and beauty is the Lockheed Constellation
Saab Draken ❤❤❤ ❤❤❤
Do you remember unlocking it in Ace Combat and falling in love with its wacky thicc design?
Nahh, not the Swedish Dorito Plane 💀💀💀💀💀
As a russian, swedish pilots are badass
Su27 in a cobra is stunning AF 🔥
The Russians can't take all the glory on this one The Swedes had done this maneuver just a little different.
And now we should called it "The Draken Cobra"
Swedish pilots called it Kort Parad, wich means Short Parade. call it that.
Incredible manuever, it is great move
Strategic planning. Performance great.
Got it. From now on, it’s the Swedish Cobra 👍🏼
Remember that Pugachev Cobra goes more back and Swedish cobra only point up as you see in video.
Its slightly different manuver
"hotplating the bird" was a Super Sabre maneuver before any of those.
Call it the Draken Stall!
Swedish pilots called it ''Kort Parad'' wich means Short Parade.
Sorry but you're WRONG. Swedish cobra is an "instability side effect" while Pugachev's is how the SU-27 can casually perform under full control of the pilot
Pugachev's Kobra, also known as the "I want my opponent to shoot me in the face really badly" maneuver
this maneuver made if you need to aim yourself at someone. It like said "you opening yourself while you punch.
@@trololoev Yeah except you're not going to get to punch, you're just going to get shredded
That draken plane is a legend by itself
The Draken did not perform the Pugachev's cobra. The criteria is the pitch angle over 90°
IKR, I'm tired seeing this pseudo smart-ass findings each year another "genius" finds this and spin for views
Big boy, listen up here. Pugachev cobra is a different thing to a regular cobra. The swedes did the first cobra manouver and the russians changed it using their Su-27 creating a different way of doing a cobra, hence the name ''pugachev cobra'' instead of regular ''cobra''
Not at all. There is no criteria like you mention.
Stall, the one word in aviation you dont want "super" in front of!
Also the swedish pilots developed the emelman wich is where you do the cobra then pull it the rest of the way through the maneuver in top gun is a emelman
The Lightning was doing Cobra at air shows in the 60s.
Absolutely correct. Thank you. 😊
Its also a parlor trick, engagements are beyond visual range.
Its all in the "Thrust Vector Nozzles".
That is One slick @$$ move 4real...!!!!
Still deadly manouver in a close air combat.
You wanna know why? Because they’re completely DIFFERENT MANUEVERS
The Yellow squadron SU-37s in Ace Combat 4 would do this to me. I'd just shoot them down with my cannons because it's a sitting duck doing that. As Omega 11 would say, "don't fly in a straight line."
This should be renamed the Scandinavian Cobra Flick!
Should be calling it "The Drakken's Cobra," it is a more accurate, and more awesome name.
Swedish pilots called it ''Kort Parad'' wich means Short Parade.
In the real combat, you are in danger if you are dancing😅
Yeah. We do this all the time, like with Ackermann steering. Ackermann didn't invent it, but its still called Ackermann steering, instead of "Lankensperger steering".
It was first used by a test pilot in the syrian mig21 when they got it, he did it to show a brake manuver on israeli pilots it was never used in battle, the pilot name is Mohammad Mansour
Harrier: we don't need snakes on a plane.