The YF-23 was rejected because of a couple reasons: 1). The F-22 carried two more missiles then the YF-23 2). Lockheed was better at marketing their design 3). The military is notoriously conservative when it comes to designs and the YF23 was too different looking from a conventional jet. 4). The F-22 appeared to be more maneuverable in test footage however that fact is contested and it might have only appeared that way due to clever marketing and editing of footage. 5). The military didn’t trust Northrop after the costs on developing the B-2 Spirit spun wildly out of control and the Air Force ended up with a bomber that was only stealthy till it got wet. The military did not want to deal with that sort of debacle again.
#3 I believe that YF23 design was more advanced consoling the theme of ATF23 contest back in 90s. If the Air force would've procured the YF23, the chances of adversaries copying our design would be limited. #5 ALOt of money was dumped into this program! Geez
It should as the F22 is not being built and the US Airforce need a 5th gen plane to replace the F15. The F22 is a expensive flop and needs to be replaced.
I was a QA inspector on this A/C from almost the beginning. Although I worked on it for about a year, it was an airframe inspector role. I was able to see the first flight which I recorded and put on youtube. I was so excited to watch it. At that time I was on the B-2 as an inspector. This aircraft flew before Lockheed's did and never had any issues like the Lockheed's when on of it's engines caught fire. They eventually gave the contract to Lockheed because Northrop had the B-2 bomber at the same time.
@@AA-db9cb PLEASE🤣YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD THAT MANY PLANES OF EACH DESIGNS, PUT THE PLANES BLUEPRINTS IN STORAGE SO WHEN WAR COMES SEE WHICH PLANES PRODUCES THE BEST RESULTS IN COMBAT, THEN MASS PRODUCE THE PLANE THAT WON THE COMPETITION😎
@@georgejohnson5478 Production requires a lot of investment. The reason we couldn't restart production of the F22 was because most of the equipment to build them was already destroyed and buying new equipment was considered both cost and time prohibitive. It's not so easy to just decide we're going to be building hundreds of this type of aircraft.
@@AA-db9cb THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE U.S. MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, THEY DICTATE TO THE U.S. GOVT.🤑BACK IN THE DAY U.S. MILITARY LAID DOWN THE LAW U.S. BUILT THE F-14 AND F-15 IN THE 70'S, F-18 AND F-16 IN THE 80'S🤨THAT ALL CHANGED WHEN STEALTH AIRCRAFT STARTED BEING PRODUCED🤑 THE COST ONE STEALTH PLANE WAS RIDICULOUS, SO THE U.S. MILITARY WAS BRAINWASHED INTO THINKING THEY COULD SAVE MONEY BY GIVING ONE AIRCRAFT MANUFACTURER THE CONTRACT🤑 IN REALITY THAT AIRCRAFT MANUFACTURER ENDS UP PIMPING THE MILITARY, BY SAYING THEY CAN'T PRODUCE PLANES AFTER A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, RUBBISH🤣F35 AND FORD CARRIERS ARE CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX MANIPULATE THE U.S. MILITARY, MAKE U.S. FORK ALL THAT MONEY UP FOR DEFECTED WEAPON SYSTEMS, WHEN U.S. MILITARY SHOULD DICTATE TO THOSE MILITARY MANUFACTURERS , WE'RE NOT MAKING ALL THOSE WEAPON SYSTEMS UNLESS THOSE SYSTEMS ARE PROVING IN COMBAT, AND KEEP THEIR ASSEMBLY LINE FLEXIBLE FOR WAR SITUATIONS🤗
@@georgejohnson5478 like I said, the assembly line is expensive. There is the equipment and all the people they have to train. The US will be funding 2 expensive programs.
Choosing F 22 versus 50% better F 23 was a political decision. This can be seen today on the politically correctly designed F 35, whose stealth color is lost due to engine overheating because they played a weak engine. That is why the speed of climbing is in the range of second generation aircraft.
@@landofwolves How many bombs and rockets does the software support? How long after each flight do you have to wait for the software to be sent, processed and downloaded back? F 35 iz Yak 43 project with engine from Yak 41/141 project.
@@landofwolves In 2014, I said what the problems are and how to solve them. The Americans did not want to listen. They are arrogant, full of themselves and think they know everything. And that's okay. After all, I'm not going to fly that plane.
@@lamalien2276 each engine has a certain total power. It collapses due to the elasticity of the motor. this can be seen perfectly at rate of climb. Originally the engine had 34,000 lbfpa they played it at 43,000 lbf killing it elasticity. That's why the engine struggles to accelerate. This was also seen in the last incident when landing on the aircraft carrier. The engine simply does not have the power to accelerate and thus lift the plane.
To be fair, the Soviet Union collapsed 5-10 years of the plane's conception. Was there a need for gold when you can have bronze? While long-term thinking is good, you want to spend taxpayer's money sparingly, no?
@MrGriff305The Yf-23 was much stealthier. Also when has any 5th gen been in a real dogfight? Probably never so that doesn’t matter, it was faster and could hold better missiles. F-22 won because of politics, not because it was better.
Imagine an upgraded version of the F-23 with thrust vectoring and replacing existing versions of the F-16 with the F-16XL, which it too can super cruise.
But didn’t? Lmao, literally beat the f22 in every category except the slow fly by drills which it didn’t lose by much. It lost because of budget and politics Edit: fyi another reason was because the company that created the yf-23 was also the company that created the b52 stealth bomber, which at the time was under performing as a 25 billion or whatever it was stealth bomber. So that company was busy upgrading and making improvements with the stealth bombers, so the government chose the other company which was cheaper anyways and had nothing else to focus on. Then birthed the f22 as the main choice
It's a goddamn shame this absolutely superior unmatched and hard worked on masterpiece was scrapped due to politics. If this beautiful plane were to roll off the production line even today in 2022, it would be the ALPHA of all the skies,just as it was in 1990. I hope it will rightfully takes its well deserved throne in active duty one day. I believe it will. Ty to the men and women who poured there endless blood sweat and tears into this absolute masterpiece. It's simply the best,better than all the rest! 😏❤️
@MrGriff305 The YF-23 lacked thrust vectoring capabilities. It was too long to be more maneuverable than an F-22. But most importantly, it couldn't carry more weapons than an F-22 in its hidden weapons bay area, which is crucial during a dog fight. The YF-23 maybe first out of the gate, but it was rejected in the end due to these missing attributes.
YF-23 fan here. But I could see why they chose the YF-22 over this fighter. The YF-22 fly off display showed much more capabilities of that aircraft compared to the YF-23 fly off display, that combined with behind the scenes drama between the USAF and Northrop Grumman contract overruns with the B2 bomber left it a no brainer for the YF-22 to be chosen. Lockheed saw what they were up against and pulled out all the stops to show they had a prototype fighter that can do things before production. That said the YF-23 was such a impact aircraft, it should have been also selected as a high altitude high speed interceptor and recon aircraft. A Grumman modified YF-23 two seat variant could have been proposed to the USN for a naval air superiority fighter.
The YF-22 was chosen because they wanted a stealth dog fighter, that's why they both had guns. The YF-22 was very stealthy and was only marginally less so than the YF-23, which most likely would have specifically been from the back as thrust vectoring nozzles are less stealthy. The YF-22 also could hold 2 more AMRAAMS', and that is a huge difference. Obviously since they wanted a dog fighter, and the YF-22 was far more maneuverable as well as only being beaten out SLIGHTLY with stealth and super cruise speed (top speeds on both aircraft are on this day highly classified) and could carry 2 more missiles, the YF-22 was selected. Obviously politics played a role, especially the thing you mentioned with the B-2, but ultimately the YF-22 was more closely to what the USAF wanted, as it was to counter the SU-27 and MIG-29 which in the SU-27's case, was a thrust vectoring beast. Obviously the US found out both weren't anywhere near as good as russia claimed (as always) but nonetheless.
I wonder why the aft of this beautiful fighter has rather large duct behind the cockpit and between engines. It looks like this space could be filled with verity of electronic systems, or even additional conformant fuel tank.
Hate to say it, but I think it lost because of it's wayyyy out of the box design. F-22 just fits the profile. What other explanation is there? Grumman obviously built the best stealth airframe ever in the B-2 and still lost? I do LOVE the f-22 though!
It is interesting that if you watch current media speculation about 6th generation manned figther aircraft, whether US, Chinese, Russian, European, Japanese or other, the renderings all bear an uncanny resemblance to the YF-23.
A question I asked elsewhere; Why don't other countries buy this? The f-22 is owned by the US and the have rights as the sole owners. So why don't the countries that want the F-22 buy this instead?
Mainly because when military planes are sold, the military technology is not. So it’s sold as a raw plane, in which the buying country has to equip it with its own technology, which would be cool with everyone only if the price tag of the raw plane wasn’t enormous. And America has the best technology in the world hands down, the only reason any country would want that plane is if it came with American technology, which America cannot sell or give blueprints for, even if the plane outperforms as a raw plane, in the hands of another country and their technology, it would just be shot down as easily as any other plane. That’s the sad facts Edit: oh and btw, one such technology if you needed an example would be a auto pilot in combat mode. I forget the actual name and acronym the military uses for it but the function is that in a combat situation, the plane can autopilot defensive manuevers that will make any pilot in the world pass out from the g forces, however the plane autopilots these manuevers until it detects that it is safe, and that the pilot is again conscious and taking control. No other country has that tech. Research it
The Decision Politics Aside for a in choosing the F22 Raptor as opposed to the YF23 Black Widow or Grey Ghost as it was also called is widely argued in terms of wish Aircraft was the Best. In terms of my thinking the F22 Raptor is now reaching a mile stone in it's operational life and why are the Air Force not electing to purchase more of type but instead we're seeing if anything a Reduction in possible numbers with an Upgrade Program Scheduled but in the meantime we have seen the Air Force order the F15EX Eagle 2 and it has made no secret if the fact this Aircraft is truly based on a Proven Airframe and is as intended to be a platform for both Air Superiority and as a Strike Aircraft with it's ability to carry a massive load of Weapons like that of the lesser talked about F16 Falcon, The pocket rocket and it's ability to carry a large amount of external stores and what if the F36 Kingsnake, All very interesting isn't it but when we look back at the F22 Raptor it has performed admirably in its role and shown versatility but in the end that question comes back. Is the F22 Raptor the better of the two when we speak of the YF23 Black Widow and was it the First choice. Fighter, I have no conclusive proof when looking at the Released Performance Charts and Figure's to say One or the Other in type, Which is better, I am certain that Politics had a hand in this but to which extent I don't know. What I do know is that with some F22 Raptor Aircraft being possibly retired from service with those remaining to as mentioned undergo a major upgrade so I have been told begs the very Question of what about the YF23 Black Widow if all of a sudden we did a back to the future scenario, Right now in today's environment a newly equipped YF23 with the use of Composite Materials for it's Construction And today's Power Plants and new Weapons, Cockpit and Pilot Intergration would make this Aircraft very suitable to today's Air combat Environment, I strongly believe this. It's an aircraft that would not look out of place by any means. To big for use on Navy Aircraft Carriers due to it's length is probably that thought about at the time with maybe a view to putting the F22 Raptor in a modified for use on Carriers in terms of its Undercarriage etc, and on that point why was the F16 Falcon With it's already sturdy undercarriage not thought over by the United States as a mainly Strike Aircraft in back up to the Brilliant F14 Tomcat and I wonder where we might have ended up if the F14 22 version format was ever put into service such as seen on RUclips and also the Naval version in single seat format F22N with it's swing wing's would have possibly put everything under the microscope but that's something to discuss later because we know the dynamic changes structural wise the F22N Naval version would need . For mine Politics Aside for the Air Force the YF23 could still be revived and thus the F23 Black Widow . Regards John Australia
The air force has said it will award contract for 6th gen fighter next year, they are more focused on that. USAF have also said all the prototypes of 6th gen fighters have flown.
@@niweshlekhak9646 Yes i do understand that but the question i believe was based on F22 or F23. I apologise for spell error check on computer as well. With the United States going to the Polls next year it will be an interesting time if a decision was made on said aircraft in the midst of all else.
They should get ride of the F35 and use the F23 instead. Have two fighter aircraft with fifth generation engines would make the USAF more deadly. F22 can perform the job of stealth, speed and to dogfight if necessary. F23 isn’t as maneuverable as the F22, but it can dogfight if it needed to, has superior stealth and speed and could out perform the F35 in every way
Japan and Korea are only using the YF-23 as the general starting point to design their 6th Gen. They recognize that 1970s designs have no place in the modern era of 6th Gen jets.
Politics and "spreading the wealth" was the primary reason it didn't get chosen. It was the superior aircraft. The YF-22's design allowed for thrust vectoring which the YF-23 did not. And yet, the turning radius of the YF-22 was only marginally better than the YF-23 even with thrust vectoring. In hindsight, the cost of the 22 has proven it was not the right choice. I wish they hadn't put the 23 into mothballs but continued to fly it as a test platform. It and the B-1 are two of the most beautiful modern aircraft.
@@mitchjames9350 Navy planes are basically interceptors, multi-purpose and strike fighters. It could have replaced F-14 as interceptor. Now Navy only has F-35 C(Strike fighter) and F-18 E/F(Multi-purpose).
BOTH ARE TRULY GREAT FIGHTERS. HOWEVER, the US Air Force must and will Select That Aircraft WHICH "MOST" MEETS THEIR SPECIFICATIONS. FRANKLY, I believe we should have built Both Of Them, OR we should have offered YF-23 Technology & Fabrication to a Loyal Neighbor as Japan or Poland .....
The f22 was going to cost more with improvements in the future generating more tax money than the yf23 so the f22 won but was not better. YF 23 could blow f22 out of the sky easy.
And by what fantasy and justification do you assume the F-22 pilot would not be the best trained pilot the US Air Force would produce with skills out the kazoo? Why do you assume the US Air Force would entrust and assign a nothing pilot to their precious F-22s?
OK, listen up oh ye of the tin foil hats. The resounding reason why the F22 was chosen over the YF23 is so simple and some of you just dont get it. It was chosen because F15 Pilots could Integrate to it faster because the project was mean to replace the F15. PERIOD. The F22 is an F15 upgrade and thats all. You just don't ever have 200 pilots ready to jump into a completely new airframe. F15 pilots can jump in and be familiar with it in a matter of weeks rather than a year.
Si es mejor el YF=23 que el F=22 EE.UU no lo quiso porque no le tenia confianza ala compania que lo estaba fabricando. Pero si es mejor pero Japon tiene el YF=23
Don't agree. I think the Su-57 is an adequate match in many situations, and other planes can match the F22 either in their domain, or with the right upgrades. F22 is still the world's best air superiority plane overall for the time being, but the time is coming when the SU-57 and others surpass it.
The YF-23 is similar to Twin F-22 ?. Lock Heedmartin should come out with more sophisticated design like Sci-Fi Space Craft. The above YF-23 is not futuristic design and frightening👎😱.
The raptor, has been beaten by T38's, P51 Mustangs, every allied aircraft in the inventory of every country in NATO, Like My uncle said about the Scorpion , and he said the same about the F22 before he died 40.000 lbs of crap , the raptor is now placed below that junk pile Scorpion
The YF-23 was rejected because of a couple reasons:
1). The F-22 carried two more missiles then the YF-23
2). Lockheed was better at marketing their design
3). The military is notoriously conservative when it comes to designs and the YF23 was too different looking from a conventional jet.
4). The F-22 appeared to be more maneuverable in test footage however that fact is contested and it might have only appeared that way due to clever marketing and editing of footage.
5). The military didn’t trust Northrop after the costs on developing the B-2 Spirit spun wildly out of control and the Air Force ended up with a bomber that was only stealthy till it got wet. The military did not want to deal with that sort of debacle again.
Yet it has the debacle of Lockheed Martin costing them so much.
#3 I believe that YF23 design was more advanced consoling the theme of ATF23 contest back in 90s. If the Air force would've procured the YF23, the chances of adversaries copying our design would be limited. #5 ALOt of money was dumped into this program! Geez
It was way ahead of its time; could still make a comeback - Nevery say Never!
I read Japan is interested in it.
I believe Japan is already working on a very similar plane
@@p53k They wanted some tech, but turns out they didn't need it.
Facts 6th gen
It should as the F22 is not being built and the US Airforce need a 5th gen plane to replace the F15. The F22 is a expensive flop and needs to be replaced.
I was a QA inspector on this A/C from almost the beginning. Although I worked on it for about a year, it was an airframe inspector role. I was able to see the first flight which I recorded and put on youtube. I was so excited to watch it. At that time I was on the B-2 as an inspector. This aircraft flew before Lockheed's did and never had any issues like the Lockheed's when on of it's engines caught fire. They eventually gave the contract to Lockheed because Northrop had the B-2 bomber at the same time.
Politics. Someone will make that Bird Fly again. Oh! Japan.
I think Northrop's endless scandals probably played the biggest part in the decision.
It’s a sad day this didn’t make it to production
She is a beaut!
Paul 17.24 gmt Uk cheers
U.S. SHOULD HAVE PURCHASED BOTH PLANES F22 AND YF23🤔U.S. MILITARY SHOULD STOP GIVING OUT HUGE CONTRACTS TO ONE COMPANY🤑
It's expensive to support 2 model plane supply chains.
@@AA-db9cb PLEASE🤣YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD THAT MANY PLANES OF EACH DESIGNS, PUT THE PLANES BLUEPRINTS IN STORAGE SO WHEN WAR COMES SEE WHICH PLANES PRODUCES THE BEST RESULTS IN COMBAT, THEN MASS PRODUCE THE PLANE THAT WON THE COMPETITION😎
@@georgejohnson5478 Production requires a lot of investment. The reason we couldn't restart production of the F22 was because most of the equipment to build them was already destroyed and buying new equipment was considered both cost and time prohibitive.
It's not so easy to just decide we're going to be building hundreds of this type of aircraft.
@@AA-db9cb THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE U.S. MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, THEY DICTATE TO THE U.S. GOVT.🤑BACK IN THE DAY U.S. MILITARY LAID DOWN THE LAW U.S. BUILT THE F-14 AND F-15 IN THE 70'S, F-18 AND F-16 IN THE 80'S🤨THAT ALL CHANGED WHEN STEALTH AIRCRAFT STARTED BEING PRODUCED🤑 THE COST ONE STEALTH PLANE WAS RIDICULOUS, SO THE U.S. MILITARY WAS BRAINWASHED INTO THINKING THEY COULD SAVE MONEY BY GIVING ONE AIRCRAFT MANUFACTURER THE CONTRACT🤑 IN REALITY THAT AIRCRAFT MANUFACTURER ENDS UP PIMPING THE MILITARY, BY SAYING THEY CAN'T PRODUCE PLANES AFTER A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, RUBBISH🤣F35 AND FORD CARRIERS ARE CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HOW THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX MANIPULATE THE U.S. MILITARY, MAKE U.S. FORK ALL THAT MONEY UP FOR DEFECTED WEAPON SYSTEMS, WHEN U.S. MILITARY SHOULD DICTATE TO THOSE MILITARY MANUFACTURERS , WE'RE NOT MAKING ALL THOSE WEAPON SYSTEMS UNLESS THOSE SYSTEMS ARE PROVING IN COMBAT, AND KEEP THEIR ASSEMBLY LINE FLEXIBLE FOR WAR SITUATIONS🤗
@@georgejohnson5478 like I said, the assembly line is expensive. There is the equipment and all the people they have to train. The US will be funding 2 expensive programs.
Choosing F 22 versus 50% better F 23 was a political decision. This can be seen today on the politically correctly designed F 35, whose stealth color is lost due to engine overheating because they played a weak engine. That is why the speed of climbing is in the range of second generation aircraft.
@@landofwolves How many bombs and rockets does the software support? How long after each flight do you have to wait for the software to be sent, processed and downloaded back?
F 35 iz Yak 43 project with engine from Yak 41/141 project.
@@landofwolves In 2014, I said what the problems are and how to solve them. The Americans did not want to listen. They are arrogant, full of themselves and think they know everything. And that's okay. After all, I'm not going to fly that plane.
The F35 has a weak engine!? Surely you jest!
@@lamalien2276 each engine has a certain total power. It collapses due to the elasticity of the motor. this can be seen perfectly at rate of climb.
Originally the engine had 34,000 lbfpa they played it at 43,000 lbf killing it elasticity. That's why the engine struggles to accelerate.
This was also seen in the last incident when landing on the aircraft carrier. The engine simply does not have the power to accelerate and thus lift the plane.
No it was the sales pitch problem the people that did the 23 didn't sell their plane the F-22 sold it a lot better so it was chosen
Imagine this beauty with 6 or 7th Gen tech and weaponry. Or a larger version to replace the B1b Lancer.
When bureaucracy takes over ambition, you're left with F22 and not F23
To be fair, the Soviet Union collapsed 5-10 years of the plane's conception. Was there a need for gold when you can have bronze? While long-term thinking is good, you want to spend taxpayer's money sparingly, no?
I would take that over the 22 any day of the week.
@MrGriff305The Yf-23 was much stealthier. Also when has any 5th gen been in a real dogfight? Probably never so that doesn’t matter, it was faster and could hold better missiles. F-22 won because of politics, not because it was better.
@MrGriff305 explain how.
@MrGriff305 No, tell me how what I said is wrong.
@MrGriff305 No, tell me how I’m false. You can’t say shit and not have evidence to back your claim up.
@MrGriff305 Ok, I looked it up. Almost every single source I found backed up what I said. Now where’s your evidence.
Imagine an upgraded version of the F-23 with thrust vectoring and replacing existing versions of the F-16 with the F-16XL, which it too can super cruise.
Lol "The only plane that could beat the F-22..... But didn't."
oh it definitely did beat the 22… politics is the reason why it wasn’t chosen
But didn’t? Lmao, literally beat the f22 in every category except the slow fly by drills which it didn’t lose by much. It lost because of budget and politics
Edit: fyi another reason was because the company that created the yf-23 was also the company that created the b52 stealth bomber, which at the time was under performing as a 25 billion or whatever it was stealth bomber. So that company was busy upgrading and making improvements with the stealth bombers, so the government chose the other company which was cheaper anyways and had nothing else to focus on. Then birthed the f22 as the main choice
It certainly couldn’t beat the F-22 to selection for the Advanced Tactical Fighter program
@@fork9001 Can you explain differently you worded that weird
@@Winddancer1991 Lockheed’s F-22 was chosen for the advanced tactical fighter program instead of Grumman’s YF-23. Therefore the YF-22 “beat” the YF-23
It's finally been reveled... Nice
It's a goddamn shame this absolutely superior unmatched and hard worked on masterpiece was scrapped due to politics. If this beautiful plane were to roll off the production line even today in 2022, it would be the ALPHA of all the skies,just as it was in 1990. I hope it will rightfully takes its well deserved throne in active duty one day. I believe it will. Ty to the men and women who poured there endless blood sweat and tears into this absolute masterpiece. It's simply the best,better than all the rest! 😏❤️
@MrGriff305 No it didn't
@MrGriff305 No it isn't
@MrGriff305 The YF-23 lacked thrust vectoring capabilities. It was too long to be more maneuverable than an F-22. But most importantly, it couldn't carry more weapons than an F-22 in its hidden weapons bay area, which is crucial during a dog fight. The YF-23 maybe first out of the gate, but it was rejected in the end due to these missing attributes.
I heard a good story yesterday. Japan wants the rights for production of the YF-23 for their forces: JSDAF.
And had the F-23 won the contract … you’d be making videos on why the YF-22 was the better plane??? 🤔
These airplanes are better than the new F35 that everyone is squawking about.
The f35 is stealthy, cheap to operate and easy to maintain. It is the best value for it's cost
Sir please tell me name of music you are using in your video. Please sir.
YF-23 fan here. But I could see why they chose the YF-22 over this fighter. The YF-22 fly off display showed much more capabilities of that aircraft compared to the YF-23 fly off display, that combined with behind the scenes drama between the USAF and Northrop Grumman contract overruns with the B2 bomber left it a no brainer for the YF-22 to be chosen. Lockheed saw what they were up against and pulled out all the stops to show they had a prototype fighter that can do things before production. That said the YF-23 was such a impact aircraft, it should have been also selected as a high altitude high speed interceptor and recon aircraft. A Grumman modified YF-23 two seat variant could have been proposed to the USN for a naval air superiority fighter.
The YF-22 was chosen because they wanted a stealth dog fighter, that's why they both had guns. The YF-22 was very stealthy and was only marginally less so than the YF-23, which most likely would have specifically been from the back as thrust vectoring nozzles are less stealthy. The YF-22 also could hold 2 more AMRAAMS', and that is a huge difference. Obviously since they wanted a dog fighter, and the YF-22 was far more maneuverable as well as only being beaten out SLIGHTLY with stealth and super cruise speed (top speeds on both aircraft are on this day highly classified) and could carry 2 more missiles, the YF-22 was selected. Obviously politics played a role, especially the thing you mentioned with the B-2, but ultimately the YF-22 was more closely to what the USAF wanted, as it was to counter the SU-27 and MIG-29 which in the SU-27's case, was a thrust vectoring beast. Obviously the US found out both weren't anywhere near as good as russia claimed (as always) but nonetheless.
Japan wants to revive this bird of prey
I'd love to know what your source of information is that the Japanese have any interest in this airplane.
Good side by side comparison with f22 would have been better
Bring back the yf-23!
A very, very cool fighter jet.
You forgot to mention that she could land on a carrier as well.
She couldn’t; the landing gear is too light.
It's beautiful
A Beauty
F22 is 5. generation, YF23 6. generation
I wonder why the aft of this beautiful fighter has rather large duct behind the cockpit and between engines. It looks like this space could be filled with verity of electronic systems, or even additional conformant fuel tank.
Hate to say it, but I think it lost because of it's wayyyy out of the box design. F-22 just fits the profile. What other explanation is there? Grumman obviously built the best stealth airframe ever in the B-2 and still lost? I do LOVE the f-22 though!
It is interesting that if you watch current media speculation about 6th generation manned figther aircraft, whether US, Chinese, Russian, European, Japanese or other, the renderings all bear an uncanny resemblance to the YF-23.
sell that plane to Iran so that it can be tested against f22
A question I asked elsewhere;
Why don't other countries buy this? The f-22 is owned by the US and the have rights as the sole owners.
So why don't the countries that want the F-22 buy this instead?
Mainly because when military planes are sold, the military technology is not. So it’s sold as a raw plane, in which the buying country has to equip it with its own technology, which would be cool with everyone only if the price tag of the raw plane wasn’t enormous. And America has the best technology in the world hands down, the only reason any country would want that plane is if it came with American technology, which America cannot sell or give blueprints for, even if the plane outperforms as a raw plane, in the hands of another country and their technology, it would just be shot down as easily as any other plane. That’s the sad facts
Edit: oh and btw, one such technology if you needed an example would be a auto pilot in combat mode. I forget the actual name and acronym the military uses for it but the function is that in a combat situation, the plane can autopilot defensive manuevers that will make any pilot in the world pass out from the g forces, however the plane autopilots these manuevers until it detects that it is safe, and that the pilot is again conscious and taking control. No other country has that tech. Research it
@@Winddancer1991 F-22 was banned from sale to foreign countries by US congress.
if the YF-23 was selected:
"The only plane that could beat the F-23 Black Widow II - YF-22 Raptor"
The Decision Politics Aside for a in choosing the F22 Raptor as opposed to the YF23 Black Widow or Grey Ghost as it was also called is widely argued in terms of wish Aircraft was the Best.
In terms of my thinking the F22 Raptor is now reaching a mile stone in it's operational life and why are the Air Force not electing to purchase more of type but instead we're seeing if anything a Reduction in possible numbers with an Upgrade Program Scheduled but in the meantime we have seen the Air Force order the F15EX Eagle 2 and it has made no secret if the fact this Aircraft is truly based on a Proven Airframe and is as intended to be a platform for both Air Superiority and as a Strike Aircraft with it's ability to carry a massive load of Weapons like that of the lesser talked about F16 Falcon, The pocket rocket and it's ability to carry a large amount of external stores and what if the F36 Kingsnake, All very interesting isn't it but when we look back at the F22 Raptor it has performed admirably in its role and shown versatility but in the end that question comes back.
Is the F22 Raptor the better of the two when we speak of the YF23 Black Widow and was it the First choice.
Fighter, I have no conclusive proof when looking at the Released Performance Charts and Figure's to say One or the Other in type, Which is better, I am certain that Politics had a hand in this but to which extent I don't know.
What I do know is that with some F22 Raptor Aircraft being possibly retired from service with those remaining to as mentioned undergo a major upgrade so I have been told begs the very Question of what about the YF23 Black Widow if all of a sudden we did a back to the future scenario, Right now in today's environment a newly equipped YF23 with the use of Composite Materials for it's Construction And today's Power Plants and new Weapons, Cockpit and Pilot Intergration would make this Aircraft very suitable to today's Air combat Environment, I strongly believe this.
It's an aircraft that would not look out of place by any means.
To big for use on Navy Aircraft Carriers due to it's length is probably that thought about at the time with maybe a view to putting the F22 Raptor in a modified for use on Carriers in terms of its Undercarriage etc, and on that point why was the F16 Falcon With it's already sturdy undercarriage not thought over by the United States as a mainly Strike Aircraft in back up to the Brilliant F14 Tomcat and I wonder where we might have ended up if the F14 22 version format was ever put into service such as seen on RUclips and also the Naval version in single seat format F22N with it's swing wing's would have possibly put everything under the microscope but that's something to discuss later because we know the dynamic changes structural wise the F22N Naval version would need .
For mine Politics Aside for the Air Force the YF23 could still be revived and thus the F23 Black Widow .
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The air force has said it will award contract for 6th gen fighter next year, they are more focused on that. USAF have also said all the prototypes of 6th gen fighters have flown.
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Yes i do understand that but the question i believe was based on F22 or F23.
I apologise for spell error check on computer as well.
With the United States going to the Polls next year it will be an interesting time if a decision was made on said aircraft in the midst of all else.
They should get ride of the F35 and use the F23 instead. Have two fighter aircraft with fifth generation engines would make the USAF more deadly. F22 can perform the job of stealth, speed and to dogfight if necessary. F23 isn’t as maneuverable as the F22, but it can dogfight if it needed to, has superior stealth and speed and could out perform the F35 in every way
Didn't they scrapped all the prototypes?
I believe the 2 prototypes are in museums now. At least 1 is
I want one 😊
It is very difficult to beat an aircraft that has never been in combat and will never be, LOL.
The f-22 has thrust vectoring which easily makes it a superior dog fighter. Plus better weapons payload. The f-22 was the right choice.
So sleek
This craft neened a few kinks worked out but if choosen it would have quickly been the best possible fighter for the next twenty years
Dreadnaught effect?
Best fighting 6 th generation plane..!
Japan is providing a new life to YF-23........ I'm glad to live to see.......... As an Indian, I prefer YF-23 to F22/35............
Japan and Korea are only using the YF-23 as the general starting point to design their 6th Gen. They recognize that 1970s designs have no place in the modern era of 6th Gen jets.
Politics and "spreading the wealth" was the primary reason it didn't get chosen. It was the superior aircraft. The YF-22's design allowed for thrust vectoring which the YF-23 did not. And yet, the turning radius of the YF-22 was only marginally better than the YF-23 even with thrust vectoring. In hindsight, the cost of the 22 has proven it was not the right choice. I wish they hadn't put the 23 into mothballs but continued to fly it as a test platform. It and the B-1 are two of the most beautiful modern aircraft.
Yes, the Navy would love the range of the YF-23. Of course, it was never going to be a Navy plane..
What exactly is a navy plane? If this was developed for multi role and take off ships wouldn’t that make it a Navy capable plane.
@@mitchjames9350 Navy planes are basically interceptors, multi-purpose and strike fighters. It could have replaced F-14 as interceptor. Now Navy only has F-35 C(Strike fighter) and F-18 E/F(Multi-purpose).
@@niweshlekhak9646 I guess a multi role variant of the YF23 could work, a lot cheaper and easier to develop than from the ground up.
In the end, the 22 could maneuver a bit better, but neither could outmaneuver a F-16. Yea, no shit.
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It’s similar to the Su 57, this should be made
A work of art that deserves a 7th gen reboot.
Why can Northrop Boeing manufacture F23 and sell to Israel and Japan. Let's see who's the best.
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The only reason why the F-22 Raptor won was because of bias I assume.
You’re correct.
How could the YF23 be better than the F22? It doesn’t even have real elevators and the size of it is almost as big as an SU-57
Yet it was faster, longer-ranged and had better stealth.
BOTH ARE TRULY GREAT FIGHTERS. HOWEVER, the US Air Force must and will Select That Aircraft WHICH "MOST" MEETS THEIR SPECIFICATIONS. FRANKLY, I believe we should have built Both Of Them, OR we should have offered YF-23 Technology & Fabrication to a Loyal Neighbor as Japan or Poland .....
Another Country will redesign but the basic shape. It should have won the program from the get go.
Bro modern figther jets looks more like a kite
I wish we had both… then the su57 could be #4/5 lol
They stole from each other heavily. Its closing out proposals for bean counters and current reps.
F.-22 was never deployed in combat, what are you talking about?
well, to be real, as is quoted, this could be used to battle the ATF ;)
The f22 was going to cost more with improvements in the future generating more tax money than the yf23 so the f22 won but was not better. YF 23 could blow f22 out of the sky easy.
The only thing that can beat an f-22 is a competent, well trained pilot. Pilot skill is the most important thing.
And by what fantasy and justification do you assume the F-22 pilot would not be the best trained pilot the US Air Force would produce with skills out the kazoo? Why do you assume the US Air Force would entrust and assign a nothing pilot to their precious F-22s?
Its only job was to beat the F-22, and it didn't.
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“Rate of speed” is a bullshit term. It’s just “speed”.
Rate of speed maybe he meant acceleration?
Fairly certain that the fact that the F-22 is in the airforce and the YF-23 has yet to drop the "Y" is proof enough that the f22 is better
Fairly certain how? They choose it to keep Lockheed Martin afloat but recognise the YF23 was overall the vastly superior plane.
WELL WHAT IS IT A MOSQUITO ? WTF ?
Пустая болтовня, матрица управляющих моментов YF23 уступает F22 , поэтом было принято абсолютно правильное решение .
This is the plane that should of been chosen, the F22 has been an expensive flop.
It’s not a flop; it hasn’t fought a worthy adversary.
Really the better plane but,the pentagon already had different contract with Northrop...study that caveat
y, de hecho, fue el primer avion vencido por el F-22.
YF23 was far better than the F22, stupid politicians.
OK, listen up oh ye of the tin foil hats. The resounding reason why the F22 was chosen over the YF23 is so simple and some of you just dont get it. It was chosen because F15 Pilots could Integrate to it faster because the project was mean to replace the F15. PERIOD. The F22 is an F15 upgrade and thats all. You just don't ever have 200 pilots ready to jump into a completely new airframe. F15 pilots can jump in and be familiar with it in a matter of weeks rather than a year.
i dont think you know what "a deeper look into" means
Is there anyway this jet would be sold to other NATO members since the 22 will never be sold ?
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YF-23=SU-57!
The Soviet Su-57 is very similar to it.
Not really. The SU-57 is a development of the SU-27 airframe, a 1980's aircraft. More like the F-15EX.
Si es mejor el YF=23 que el F=22 EE.UU no lo quiso porque no le tenia confianza ala compania que lo estaba fabricando. Pero si es mejor pero Japon tiene el YF=23
You make such a big deal about these planes but who have they gone against afghans who have no air defense or even radars, Yemeni, Iraqis... really?
The f22 is not the king of the sky since it has never seen combat. Argued the f15 is cause it has and no one has fucked with it
Sicuramente migliore del f 22
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This airframe isn't done folks... my opinion..
Na minha opinião faz parte de um projecto que serve para proteger outro!
With an impending war in the Pacific, we sure could have used to YF-23
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Engine design looks more and more like Russian ones. One day they'll catch up, at last, they figured out the use of 2 jet engines.
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The Design of YF-23 is not impressive !. Lock Heedmartin should had given a more futuristic design like Sci-Fi Space Craft👎😱
Don't agree. I think the Su-57 is an adequate match in many situations, and other planes can match the F22 either in their domain, or with the right upgrades. F22 is still the world's best air superiority plane overall for the time being, but the time is coming when the SU-57 and others surpass it.
B.S. It's better because it lost to the F-35? Hah.
Wrong
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HAHA! Good one!
You a troll or something? Israelis don't like russia
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And I say this as a Russian Jew.
Su 57 win this 2 aircrafts
F 22 is a propaganda😂
The YF-23 is similar to Twin F-22 ?. Lock Heedmartin should come out with more sophisticated design like Sci-Fi Space Craft. The above YF-23 is not futuristic design and frightening👎😱.
The raptor, has been beaten by T38's, P51 Mustangs, every allied aircraft in the inventory of every country in NATO, Like My uncle said about the Scorpion , and he said the same about the F22 before he died 40.000 lbs of crap , the raptor is now placed below that junk pile Scorpion