The Career of Grant Fuhr
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- Опубликовано: 1 сен 2018
- Grant's career appeared to be over twice and he made comebacks both times.
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The argument has been made that Martin Brodeur’s career numbers are a result of the teams that played in front of him. The same is true of Grant Fuhr, they’re just on opposite sides of the argument. Brodeur’s teams played great D (I still believe he’s one of the greatest tenders of all time) while Fuhr’s teams played no defense at all.
The 1987 Canada cup was what convinced me Fuhr was great, arguably the greatest series ever played and Fuhr was superb despite the Soviets scoring threat. I followed him all through his career and he was consistently decent whoever he played for. (Except maybe the Kings) I enjoyed his play in Buffalo where he shared that Jennings with some guy named Hasek. And a great game 7 shutout of Phoenix when he was a Blue. Great guy, great Oiler.
Fuhr was clutch. With the run and gun hockey the Oilers played, he was often hung out to dry by the D especially by Coffey. The oilers defense was quite horrible at defending as they were focused on offense. If anyone has any doubts of how great Fuhr is, look up the Canada cup when he went up against the powerful Russians. Without Fuhr, the Russians would have embarrassed the Canadians. Fuhr was so good all tournament that Mike Keenan the Flyers couldn’t even play his own goalie Hextall one any of the games in the tournament. And Gretzky to his day often refers to Fuhr as the “greatest goalie to ever pay”. Forget about the analytics, that statement by Gretzky sums it up all
“Grant Fuhr is the greatest goalie who ever lived. If I had to play one game for everything I owned, I’d pick Grant to be my goalie.” -Wayne Gretzky
I remember that quote. That comment carries a lot of weight because Gretzky played and scored against many good goalies but he knew Fuhr was unmatched. And the word of the greatest player of all time is all I need to know. If he says Fuhr is the greatest, Fuhr is the greatest
Biased and outdated quote from about 1990. Had he said it later, it would have been Patrick, Dom or Marty.
@@mrlizard1986actually no it’s not. At the last alumni game, Grant wasn’t going to come as he couldn’t play. Gretzky said “If you’re not going…none of us are!” To me that earlier quote, and others made by Don Cherry etc etc at that time….makes it hard to dispute. Let’s not forget that he made some huge saves before Gretzky set up Mario at Rendezvous 87.
He was exciting, and I watched a game where he took everything Gretzky gave him when L.A played Edmonton, and he asked away with a shutout…he was so impressive as well at that point. If teams had been matched up better for him all the way along, his numbers would be better imho. I am biased, as his abilities and sheer speed and reflexes, made him much more formidable than you seem to think.
Basel…yeah he was one of those Greats, and I loved Brodeur, and both played substantial numbers of games. Roy played behind a great D, as did Marty and not taking anything away from them. Just think this quote meant a lot to a lot of people who admired Fuhr is all. Also, it would’ve been 5 in a row if not for Steve Smith. Roy didn’t stand a chance against The Oilers of the 80’s especially in 86 again imho.
I do respect your opinion, just can’t agree. Not unless all those oilers said the same thing. Where he is now on the wins list compared to where he was when he finished is due to M.A. Fluery, Ed Belfour, Curtis Joseph and Lundqvist!
Cheers! 🍻
@@Kinger1625 most definitely biased. Fuhr was a decent goalie not a great one and not even remotely close to one of the best ever. He won a ton of cups yea, but that’s not super impressive when he’s in the net behind the 80s oilers. Most goalies of that era could win those cups behind those oilers teams.
@@aonstability5428it’s how he played. How he was used. Had he been put on a team today, his style…he would fit in perfectly. It was the 80’s.
I still stand my ground. He won a Canada Cup and as a fan….he was just exciting. Truly exciting.
I respect your opinion, but…he was great. No defence. Almost none!
400 goals a game that must be a in game record
Anybody else agrees with me when I say that this is the best Channel on RUclips?!
Can't wait to watch "Making Coco: The Grant Fuhr Story"
In the 96 Playoffs, Kypreos injured Fuhr, forcing Jon Casey to take over. They lost in 7 to Detroit after Yzerman’s famous OT goal from the blue line.
Yes, I think that was the turning point. Something like that happened to Roloson in Edmonton as well.
casey was streaky the way fuhr was playing they beat the wings
Jonathan Zygmunt
Ah, I can hear it now.
"Gretzky had it, lost it. Yzerman picks it up. Yzerman moving, blue line chance, SCOOOORE! STEVE YZERMAN! DETROIT WINS!"
Can't blame Casey for that lost... He plays his heart out and had a goose egg with Osgood until Stevie Wonder made the 20 foot shot heard around the hockey world... No goaltender had a chance on that one!
Grant Fuhr’s greatest attribute was his mental toughness, then his agility...BEST CLUTCH goalie of the era in the BIG GAMES! That is why he is 5 time cup champ and yes...a great, hall of famer! ☝️
All the respect in the world for the man. I looked up to him growing up. Hw was a very talented goaltender.
I think I’ve seen this before. I stand by my favourite player. Workhorse, and shuts the door when needed…..and man this is one guy if he was your hero, you want to meet him! Such a wonderful human being! Met him, and took a handshake and said thanks for all he did to inspire me as a child.
Those gloves saves, and that speed….Moog was great too…but Fuhr was the man in the 80’s, cause Edmonton had a bad defence! Offensive minded and built team…has the longest Unbeaten streak ever, most games played in a season at 79….on a Vezina, Jennings and 4 or 5 cups, Canada Cup…I mean he was a great player! Period and deserves the HOF without doubt. Perspective be damned, just had to watch the man play! He was exciting! ❤🎉🎉🎉
84 and 87 Canada Cup wins as well, pus Rendezvous 87 win as starting goalie so yeah a very important name in hockey.
And the Canada Cups too, 84 and 87, plus Rendezvous 87. Which is interesting choosing him for those teams over others. The making of those teams would be interesting to speak of on videos. And the tournaments themselves.
Glad you covered the StL years. Fantastic glove hand.
Here's the thing for me. The guy has what 4 rings...and a Vezina. I think he was on the fast track to the HoF. One thing you need to win the cup is a goalie. That's why most of the HoFers have rings.
1:45 Did I hear that right? 😂😂😂
Obviously it's just a figure of speech...
Wasted Hockey
Nice catch. Unlike any goaltender in the 1980's.
In some ways Grant was one of the greatest goalies of all time. Him being able to get over the goal that just got let in is extremely important, and being able to do that while playing for the 80's Oilers was what made them Champs.
Ya that's what mind him a good goalie to bad Tommy Salo couldn't do that lol
I have nothing against Fuhr, he certainly helped contribute towards the 80’s Oilers, he arguably had it easier not playing against the prolific Gretzky, Kuri, Messier, and Coffee and while I maybe never had the chance to watch him in his peak and his throwback style but you don’t stick around the league putting up his numbers unless you’re part of winning so it’s a yes for HOF.
I never watched fuhr because I’m only 18 but I gotta say he’s one of the best of all time. Ya he only had a 900 save percentage twice but he was amazing for the time and deserves to be in the hall
Can't wait to see the documentary about Fuhr which is going to be released this September.
Grant was a bubble player for me. He toed the line between a good goalie and HOFFER, and it's for all the reasons you stated.
The dude was superb, He was truly remarkable in terms of agility and speed. They teach what Fuhr did as standard nowadays. The man was ahead of his time. Hell, with the Oilers he literally had no defensive screens. He was the defence! If you put it in that context, his goal tending was awesome, and he would have been in the 890's- 900's for much of his time there Thats epic. Fuhr is a classic case of the stats not telling the true story. Moreover, as THG say's with a coach focussed on tending, just look at his growth. Sheesh, get a young Fuhr now, give him a top goal-keeping coach, training regime, and a defence, bang! You have elite tier keeper.
Looking at some of those playoff runs, I think you can argue that Fuhr was something of a money goaltender. He *sometimes* had strong regular season performances, but in the playoffs? He, like the rest of the team, often found another gear.
The Hockey News: TOP 100 GOALIES OF ALL-TIME (2018 EDITION) - # 13 GRANT FUHR
If you haven't already, you should do Tim Kerr, Joel Otto, Theo Fleury
He was great goalie for his day
hey shannon aka the hockey guy could you're maybe do the career of ed belfour and the career of tommy salo then ? please joel.
I always love to say he recorded his 400th win as a Calgary Flame. Admit it was exciting and strange to see him a Calgary Flame after despising him as an Edmonton Oiler over the years and being a thorn in the side especially in the playoffs.
Fuhr will always be favorite for his chill attitude and growing up in the same place I have, Spruce Grove (30 minutes outside of Edmonton). He's still a very chill guy too, placing more importance on his golf clubs than his cup rings. I'm still a little mad you went with the Blues jersey though.
One of my all time favourite goalies. When I would play goal with my friends, I'd always be Grant. They'd also make me cut promos in his voice afterwards too. Fun times.
Also remember getting his book on goaltending, and I think he did a video too?
2 books. Cheers.
Run and gun style of the 80s because they knew Grants was back there. They knew he would make the save when they needed it.
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Also a big reason Wayne agreed to go to the Blues over the Leafs.
I think the quality of his sheer robbery of what would be true goals should be noted. He's made point blank glove saves off of low slought wide open slap shots, incredible second effort save, had extremely fast legs and kicked out the pads. He was so very grest
My favourite player! He was a clutch goalie! That glove hand and reflexes were very good!
If The Great One say “he was the worlds best…” that enough to make you see his overall value, and I do believe if he had more games in Edmonton, his numbers would be even more impressive.
Wasn’t he able to achieve a 23 no loss run in his rookie year? Or least near it! Had he been on Montreal in the time of Roy and such….i think he would’ve shown them a lot more than people think….but I digress, I am biased after all. I thought he was one of the main reasons that #99 went to St. Louis, but I’m not sure.
Liked and subbed. Great stats, and overall hockey knowledge putting this one together! Thank you That hockey guy!!! ❤🎉
Don't need to have spectacular GAA and save % if the team in front of you can light up the scoreboard like a Christmas tree.
Brilliant video this one, agree its hard to see through the stats due to the type of hockey played at the time. Perfect timing not just for him, but also the blues, despite the rat coaching him Solid HOF player
Fuhr sometimes took it easy in the regular season but when playoffs rolled by or Canada cups, he flipped the switch and turned on God mode
Cougars!!! GOAT!
I think Grant Fuhr should be in the hall of fame. The 80s was a time in the NHL with lots of weak goaltenders, while having some of the most talented scorers ever. We started to see near the end of the 80s some real good goalies coming into the league or some goalies getting better. Still Fuhr was one of the best during his time and deserves some credit.
He was inducted in 2003.
The most unexpected thing in this video was that Tom Barasso is the assist leader of all time for goalies.
I actually already knew that, what's almost more impressive is how Patrick Roy is tied with Brodeur at 3rd with 45 assists, even though Brodeur played almost 250 more games. And we all know how good a stickhandler he was too(for a goalie), where as where as it was never really Roys strong suit. Granted, Brodeur scored some goals too.
Don't forget that barasso was supposed to be the first all time great American goalie.
Not very unexpected since Barrasso was one of the best puckhandlers ever. The fact that he never managed to score a goal is actually pretty surprising.
I should read his autobiography sometime.
Fuhr absolutely deserves to be in HOF. I feel that MAF will have the same type of story having played behind the Pens for all those years before going to a team that plays defense all of the time. Just as Brodeur has great number due to the system that Jersey played, that must be taken into account for MAF, Hextall, Barrasso and the other goalies from that era, and who played on teams not known for defense.
One of my favorites to wat h those alive saves were something
I think effectiveness in some contexts is all we talk about. In many ways, it’s all that matters, but sometimes we talk about the beauty of the game, and skill. One thing you didn’t focus on was the beauty of his game. The amazing, beautiful, athletic saves he made on a regular basis. How quickly he could move. I’m not saying this makes him a more effective goalie, ei save percentage, etc, but to me, there’s a kind of value in that. Most other goalies at the time looked clunky and awkward a lot of the time; sprawling and floundering. Even when Grant went down and was swimming, he somehow looked more advanced. He was so quick and he could kick out a heel out of nowhere while he was on his back or his ass and just barely make the save.
For effectiveness, he also let in some ridiculous soft goals fairly regularly. While other goalies looked ungainly and poor in that era quite consistently, Fuhr was flashy and made beautiful saves or else he was letting one dribble between his legs. That combined with great situational performance made him an interesting goalie, and great to watch. When he needed to shut the door, he could go into a mode where he was definitely a star along with the elite Oilers even if it was to make up for some slips earlier. The fact that he had that mode and was a sublime keeper while he was in it was a unique feature, and enough to get the win. Effectiveness in a different way.
During some of those oilers years, his save percentage was at or near the best in the league. That’s a hard statistical touchstone to use in a case for or against the Hall of Fame.
Shame this video only has 12k views.
Remarkable that more than 1/4 or his career wins came with the Blues... and to think he was the main man for the Oilers throughout the 80s!!!!
BLACK HOCKEY PLAYERS IN THE HOCKEY HALL OF FAME
01. 2003: Grant Fuhr (Players Category)
02. 2010: Angela James (Players Category)
03. 2018: Willie O'Ree (Builders Category)
Jarome Iginla is next!
The first NHL game I watched live was St. Louis v San Jose in 98. Fuhr got a 2-0 shutout..and only because the it was a 0-0 game until the final 5 in the 3rd
Over 400wins thats yuuuge
Fuhr played in the most wide open era in nhl history on the most wide open team in nhl history. Even on the leafs his gaa was 3.66 and that team that year had no offense or defense and they were rebuilding. In buffalo his first year mogilny lafontaine were scoring 60 to 70 goals his gaa was almost 3.5. That year even the great dom hasek gaa was 3.15 Even post edmonton some of his teams were wide open
12th best goalie of all-time.
He also came in 2nd in Hart voting in 1988.
I tended to underrate him based on his numbers when I was a kid (i.e. his save percentage is terrible, his wins are largely the result of a team that could easily score 6 goals a game), but now I think he was much better. If nothing else his strength in breakaway situations shows he was the right goalie for that team.
At the end of the day though I think the biggest issues with those that say he's overrated is because he never had a playoff where he took the team on his back and brought them a Cup. Billy Smith actually faced a lot of the same criticism, his shutting down the Oilers in 1983 changed all of that, something that never happened with Furh.
Yup. In 1988 he placed higher than his teammate The Great One, who was 3rd in Hart voting. I don't know how 2 people from the same team can be 2nd in 3rd in Hart voting, Hart voting must've been different back then. That shit is just the best player on the worst playoff team nowadays
what are u talking about in 1984 he outdeuled billy smith 1 to 0 in game 1 and that changed the whole seires. In 1985 hes the only goalie in nhl history to have 5 game 1 starts in a row in the playoffs look that up. U cant win conn smythes with gretzky and messier on ur team
"Hart voting must've been different back then. That shit is just the best player on the worst playoff team nowadays"
Not really, it goes to the player who is the most valuable in the league to his own team, just like it always has. You make it sound as if they've changed the criteria, just because it went to Taylor Hall, who had a career year and carried a mediocre Devils team back into relevance, this past season.
no way 2 players on the same team could be 2nd and 3rd in voting now. It's just the player with the biggest skill gap between them and the 2nd best player on their team nowadays
Loved watching him in the WHL!!! Go Cougars Go!!
Is he considered to be one of the top ten greatest goalies of all time? Another guy I can think of is Ron Hextall and Billy Smith.
He is the greatest goalie of all time. Hands down. Harry Neele hockey night in Canada on air once referred to Fuhr as the Grezky of goalies
When Fuhr joined the Leafs I took it as the official end of the Ballard era.
The greatest black hockey player of all time (regardless of position) bar none.
99 called him the best goalie ever
Wichita Wind Baby
I'd be interesting to know what the league average saves percentage was in those years too for comparison. I think he's one of the greatest of all-time, but not top 10 overall. It depends on the kind of goalie you want or need for your team. It's interesting to think what would have happened say Fuhr plays in the 80's for Vancouver and Moog stays in Edm. Or just players switch to different franchises, Gretzky goes to Colorado, Lemieux goes to Toronto, Dryden stays in Boston, Parent stays in Toronto, things like that... the speculation is crazy to think about how different our perceptions of players as winners and losers as greats with many cups or greats without would be.
Few weeks ago THG made a video in which you can see the average save percentages: ruclips.net/video/vig8HMWhIAY/видео.html
He did a video on league save % averages by year recently.
If roy played for edmonton that would of been a nightmare because he would let his team have it for not playing d well. Remember the detroit game where he got traded? After the 3rd goal went by him he lifted his arms in the air at his d and blamed them cuz he couldnt see infrnt of everyone. So how would of he faired in edmonton that would of been interesting
If Roy would've played in Edmonton in 1986 (can't go any further back since that was his rookie year) they would've won the cup that year. Best goalie of all time. 4 Stanley Cup wins and 3 Conn Smythes through 2 different eras and 3 different decades. Enough said.
hell no roy was a butterfly goalie he would of been picked apart in edmonton. If there was a defensive team back then it was montreal look at the plaers they had. in 1986 roy gaa was 3.35 and in 1993 roy gaa was 3.20. both years he won the cup but again if roy played on edmonton whtat would his gaa be? Roy was a butterfly goalie who cut down the angle and everything hit him on the chest. That style excelled in the 90s and beyond and most goalies adapted. In the 80s especially early in wide open hockey fuhr was the best for that time and that team because he relied on reflexes and athleticism to makes saves from lounging post to post in odd man rushes 2 on 1 and 3 on 2s ect. Nobody lounged or moved better from post to post the fuhr specially in the 80. At that time why u think fuhr was picked in 87 canada cup to play the russians and international tournament instad of roy? because of fuhrs style. A butterfly goalie in that wide open style of play would of been picked apart. As hockey went on fuhr style no longer was effective because the gamr changed and he had too many holes in him and alot of shots went through him and anglng and positioning took over rather then reflexes and athleticism.
you ask most goalies who play in the nhl today and i seen in an interview where they talked about grant fuhr they said nobody can play like that today because u have to be so fast. fuhr was the perfect goalie for his era and hss team and remember when he came to the nhl in 81 he had no goalie coach he learned everthing by just going out and playing and when goalies later came after him especially in the quebec province they all had specialized training from when they were kids like roy broduer potvin ect. If fuhr came to the nhl a lil later and came up from the quebec leagues like the other goalis i metioned and had their techniqu he would of been the greatest goalie of all time hands down. U combine his reflexes and athleticism wih patrick royd positioning angles techniques that goalie would be unstoppable
Best black player of all-time.
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Money Goalie .
I feel like if Nick Kypreos didn’t run into Fuhr during the 95-96 playoffs the outcome could’ve been much different. No offense to John Casey he played well, but I’m just saying.
Maybe not the best goalie of his generation, but he was on the short list, and the Oilers have all said that they could not have played the way that they did without Fuhr and Kevin Lowe. Those guys stopped several breakaways and odd man rushes per game. I think the only guys from his generation who were clearly better would be Ken Dryden and Vladislav Tretiak. You could *maybe* argue for Billy Smith, but I'd say it's pretty damned close either way.
" His numbers don't show how good he was " How else are you suppose to tell how good he was?
Waders27 oh god you must be new to hockey
@@JakeMook Been watching hockey for 28 years
I just wanna say this before I watch this. I think he is a hall of famer. Do i put him top 10 all-time? no
His save percentage is awful. I was expecting at least .930 with the way he is talked about.
I like Grant and all but the fact that he is in the hall and Mike Liut isn't shows that success and being lucky enough to play for a winning team are more important than talent.
Curtis Joseph is another one not in the hall cause he didn't win a cup.
I met him once in the food court at my local hospital he was all IV’d up and gave me death glare when I was talking to who I could only assume was his daughter I was 16 at the time 😂
Money
Blues should retire his number, too...
Grants job was to let in 1 less with that oilers team
snorting coke certainly didn't do him any good in the 80's
He took the fall for admitting he had a problem. There was and is a lot of drug use in the NHL which gets swept under the carpet. I never liked that he got singled out on a team which always had rumors swirling about their drug use.
True there was a lot of rumours of drug use. I don't remember how he got singled out, did he have some drug related incident or something.
I believe he came out and said he needed help. The NHL rewarded his honesty with a lengthy suspension. This just discourages players from being honest.
Oh dam, thats rough. Im glad he had career resurgence in Blues and he showed everybody that he was still an elite goaltender.
Look at a lot of the 80's Oilers photos. They're all coked out of their minds
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Flyers are winning Cup this year
ADONIS LEONIDAS FLYERS/EAGLES/76ers I have them winning the division, but not the Cup.
Did they somehow trade to get a goalie like Price or Bobrovski?
kosmicwizard price sucks big time,and Bob is a choke job.,,Elliot is the man
Elliot ? Really ? Mr. First round choker ? Lol.
@@philly5-014 you're delusional and it makes me sad that we will both be cheering for the same team in 3 years when Hart leads them to the promised land for the first time in my life.
Mason is a better goalie than Elliot is. Cheers.
Little known fact is that Fuhr played 1 game for the Saint John Flames (Calgary Flames old farm team in the AHL) It was highly publicized!