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Is a motorcycle from 2001 outdated? Tons of new tech has changed the two-wheeled world in the last two decades, from traction control and TFTs to fuel injection and electronic suspension. Spurg, Zack, and Ari take an in-depth look at those game-changing advancements, what they love, and what they can't stand.
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Bring in Lemmy we miss him
Cruiser Lemmy?
Not really. Ari makes the show. Look at any podcast that has Ari and you’ll see who gets the views.
Keyless ingintion is kinda useless on bike IMO.
I actually will not buy a bike with it.
Until you glove up and forget that the key is in your pocket.
@@lovelessissimo until ur bike is stolen because u left the key fob in the kitchen and u didn’t put ur keys in a kage of faraday😂
@@vakantieman3270 I mean, I can't even afford bikes that have fobs, so I can't say much to support the use, hahaha
@@lovelessissimo same ... 😞
When are we gonna get Anthony on HSLS? I would love to hear his perspective on things as the godfather of revzilla videos. Decide and Ride has sold me so many products.
it is becoming more and more clear with every episode that zack is getting more and more fed up with spurge. these two may not be the ideal pair. maybe that friction will benefit the show, but generally you want people who mesh well.
I'm here for the turbo rant at the end
Spurge came off sounding like the biggest idiot in that.
@@northeastpsychos yeah he was being to one minded on it. Zack just wanted one for fun, I agree haha
Zack and Ari are true brothers. Love it.
Ari was like, "WTF is wrong with you? Why are you talking to my boy like that" lol.
Hey guys! I just bought a new bike (my first since my younger years) and I’m super excited about learning more about the whole mechanics and tech side of motorcycles in general and doing some of my own maintenance. Thanks for covering these kind of topics! Regards!
I think the question regarding risk is an interesting one. I am blessed with a wife that understands my passion for two wheels, but we also have talked about the risk. I have told her that if I meet my end on a bike, at least I am something that I love. In the same breath I have also said that I will do all that I can with my education, technology, etc. to be prepared to keep that from happening in as much as I can control it. We all have to define our acceptable level of risk. Really enjoyed this episode, keep it up. Did not agree with everything but it wouldn't be nearly as good of a listen if I did.
I'm oldschool and I finally changed my mind about ABS for the most part.
What part is bad?
That you can't make a mistake with the brakes anymore, and crash?
Hi Guys, Enjoyed your thorough and provocative evaluations of last ten years' tech advances. For me the biggies are ABS and EFI. Have ridden probably about 250K miles since 1970 on Hondas, a Harley and a Kawi but never ABS or EFI untill this year with my brand new KLR650ABS. I'm looking forward to a simple application of these new (for me) technologies. Your HSLS is always tops!
Revzilla HS/LS + RyanF9 mashup podcast. I want this.
Man, I bet you are having the best day today.
@@Boxpsring Hell yeah. It's always nice to have a Podcast show of folks that are always passionate about their hobbies and live it. That's 2 episodes and counting. Need Missendenflyer on for the UK perspective and some other guys overseas. 2 wheel life is waaay bigger overseas than the US.
Another great one... rode through all of those changes 👍
Speaking of improvements. I just bought a 2017 R9T a couple weeks ago; last bike was a 1993 CBR600 F3. The amount of change, not just from the bike standpoint is amazing. Obviously no choke and having to let the bike warm up, ABS, traction control, hydraulic clutch (still no fuel gauge but then that is BMW's fault) and so forth.
I still had my old Shoei helmet and Joe Rocket riding jacket, not sure why I kept them but just the weight of the helmet compared to an HJC RPHA 70ST I picked up was significant let alone all the venting, easy switch visor, pinlock, MIPS, emergency cheek pad removal... If I wanted air or a non-fogged lens in the Shoei you had to crack the visor, not fun at 30 degrees.
The improvements in armor flexibility and just overall better quality of riding gear are really impressive. I have spent just a bit more than I should at Revzilla....Now that I'm older though I can afford to not ride around in just jeans and doc martins. AS Andes for cold, Dainese 72 for mid and I'll pick up a mesh for summer.
Keep up the good work fellas. Any tips for a returning rider? So far its been good, just need to get my confidence back in turns.
I'm really enjoying these podcasts, great stuff! I would love to see an episode on the following: How do you meet/find new riders to ride with?
A very informative episode. Thank you.
This podcast makes me feel warm and fuzzy as an older rider. I LOVE having an analog tachometer on my 2018 GSXR 600. But the most important thing for me over the last 20 years...fuel injection! My first bike..a 2004 GSF 500 sold me on the need for fuel injection.
Can you try and fix the daily rider leader board? The new version isn't as good 😥
TODAY you can go back to the drawing board and put in a turbo on a bike. They started doing this quite successfully on cars with 1/2 size of an engine or even smaller vs. the ones in the '80s (following the same logic) and reaching high(er) levels of HP with very low fuel consumption.
Interesting Podcast/video thx HM2CW My '10 Multistrada S has all the bells and whistles you guys are talking about like it just came on the market. My '14 PP Mutley even has linked (electronicaly F/R ABS braking with Anti stopie and off road mode) traction control. Electronic semi active suspension are my favorite with Ohlins Mechtronic upgrd on my '10 taking my vote for best improvement in last 10 yrs but I've got 10 fused vertebrae from dirt bikes in 70's 80's so I might be partial. Keep up the good work you guys.
As a mechanic I agree with Ari, and no, the whole stuff doesn't necessarily make diagnostics easier for us, often is way more complicated for the shop too.
Other things to consider are the added expenses for a shop just for pc stuff and programs: and where's a special tool is going to work as well today as in 20 years, a pc program usually is a nightmare in the same amount of time.
And I'd like to point out that usually you may not really need the specific diagnostic tool on newer bikes.
So, for the shop is going to be just as if not more frustrating to deal with electronic failures, even because they aren't really going to be jobs that take in money.
Love the show anyway, keep it up 👍
Good call on the advancements in tyre technology. A tyre like the road 5 that offers great wet grip, dry grip and longevity, would have been unthinkable 20 years ago when I first started riding. As a sporty commuter on twisty roads, there's no longer a need to compromise between tyre life and performance.
Am I the only one who misses Joe?
And Lemmy
I haven't watched for awhile... Joe's gone now? Oh no
@@tigercs1 He hasn't been on in a while. I found his insights the most interesting. Everyone seems to like Zack and Ari better though, so they seem to dominate the channel now.
@@serenitygiver4694 Yep, Lemmy also. He and Joe were the best part of the discussions to me.
@@timothymills733 I don’t think he’s gone gone, just not on every episode, joe that is
I have a turbo on my FZ-07 and love it. It's not a monster turbo but gave it the power bump that I wanted while still able to keep the weight/dimension/nimble characteristics that I love about the FZ-07.
Turbo are way different today then in the 80's. Small displacement engines with a turbo would work and would not have the lag you are talking about.
Im sure running a small turbo for go carts, maybe a vz21 (I think its a clone of a garret turbo) at like 3-5psi would be a noticable gain on a small bore motorcycle. And be able to maintain good fuel mileage cruising on the highway, without any lag.
You get the Smart car with a turbo charged 800cc engine. That works fine, so why not on bikes.
I wish this was a weekly thing. It goes good with my coffee lol
Thank you Zack for being reasonable when Spurg is on his BS 🤣
Keep the podcasts going!
Great episode guys. I agree that some of the tech being put on newer bikes is getting a little out of hand. Maybe there is a way too let the rider choose what they want to enable or disable. Ari said it best, he rides to get away from all that. Improving safety features is great, but added tech distractions lessen the riders focus on the ride. Local events are a nice way to meet other fellow riders. You get a good feel for who people are that way.
Buddy A few years ago the thought of a soccer moms crossover having turbos in it was crazy, as you know now they’re trying to throw turbos into any car they can. Turbos on motorcycles is just something thats “new” and still hasn’t been explored. Never know until you try, let the man have his dream!
Hi guys, could you please mention the bell helmet Ari and spurgen were talking about with flex technology?
Thank you
They were referring to the MIPS liner system that Bell use. You can see all the helmets they offer with that technology on our site here:
www.revzilla.com/search?view_all=&page=1&limit=96&facets%5B%5D=352&query=MIPS&is_new=false&is_sale=false&is_made_in_usa=false&is_holiday=false&is_blemished=false&ships_two_day=false&sort=featured&fit=
-Zack G
@@RevZilla thank you
Zack, you should ask Tiffany Burkett if she can join the podcast one day.. obviously the topic would be long distance adventure travel and the best bike for your trip is possibly the bike you already own. I loved her books, both of them.
The airbag statement is kinda like the ABS that you don't know how good it is until you try it. There were people in your discusion that were against it until they tried it.
Given that early ABS had some issues but is now on point, I would love to see some attempts with modern technology to make some small-ish displacement motos.
When a new episode of Highside Lowside is uploaded i have one more reason to ride to my girlfriends town 55 minutes away. Actually i listen to the first 13 minutes at home. Now i can start listening to your podcast when i leave home and finish exactly when i get there. Riding and listening to you guys makes the experience that much more pleasurable. Keep going. Love from Cyprus
Congrats on 900k subs
maybe on the electronics have a setting in the menu that in default it's on that you have to stop for "safety" but if you want to disable it, it should be no problem and just be able to.
This was a great podcast. Some general appreciation and gripes.
Yes I love the idea of turbos on smaller displacement. I'm sure if you put a 300 too 600cc on a litre bike frame you'd have the space for turbo (if necessitated). I do think you would lose a lot of your weight savings vs a normal smaller displacement bike.
So you think 400cc bikes need the same size turbo as a 15 000cc semi-truck need?
Never seen a small bike have anywhere near 50 to 80 ton of weight to move. So why not make it smaller.
People even make bikes with turbos, so not like it is impossible to make. But they make 300-600HP… Because the people making them are insane… And use bikes as a drug. Most people don't need and don't want to pay for bike like that.
@@Gismo3333 honestly I have no idea how much bulk and weight a turbo would add, I think it just makes more "sense" to me to have smaller bikes turboed instead of litre bikes.
Extra points for Ari working "high side, low side" into a sentence.
Make them a regular please
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Turbos are far more efficient now than they were in the 80s. I'm legitimately thinking of putting a turbo on my CBR500R. Folks in Thailand have done it and it makes a lot of sense. I get 65 to 70 MPG on the highway but the bike really runs out of power around 7k RPM due to the stock cam and compression ratio. I can deck the head and install performance cams for around 60 whp but I'll lose a lot of that highway fuel efficiency. A turbo sized to deliver boost starting at 6000 RPM will allow me to pull to 10k RPM with about 70 to 75 whp when desired but still maintain that awesome fuel economy while cruising. It will also provide more torque in 6th for bucking the 35 to 45 MPH headwinds that we often have in my area.
There are also anti lag systems to use with turbos to make them spool faster.
I agree 100 % with Zach, TFT displays are distracting and why not turbos on bikes. I too have a F 150 that has twin turbos. Trust me it takes up the same space as my old F 150 V8 motor. Love the video version of the podcast. Not really into podcasts but do like this video version. FYI I have a 2017 manual Africa Twin. I have no interest upgrading to the newer AT’s with all the electronics and TFT displays. I have all I need.
I understand that there isn't a lot of room for a turbo, but wouldn't it be a little easier to fit a turbo on a bike with a single cylinder engine and maybe a slightly larger/revised frame? If it's not a bike designed for the track, it doesn't require the smallest, tightest dimensions possible, right? Just a thought
For me ABS and Fuel Injection are the best innovations in the last 20 years. I love TFT gauge clusters, 2 of my cars have them but I'm ok with analog gauges. I agree that distractions should be minimized but I don't agree with the trend towards dumbing down vehicles to suit the lowest common denominator. Traction control is fine but I'm not sure it's needed south of the litre bike space.
I would love to see turbos come back. My primary criteria for vehicle purchases for over 10 years has been turbo and AWD. IMO turbos make a lot of sense for Adventure and Sport Touring bikes.
A very technologyful episode of HS/LS! I think most of us fans are fine with bleeping the curse words but what are you gonna do about all that full frontal nudity? lol j/k Been wondering if MIPS is worth it's salt? I tend to agree with Spurg TFT's are cool but Ill take some old school gauges. Not as big a deal as some make them out to be, IMO anyway. At least with motorcycle riding there are more ways to mitigate risk than you have in an airplane, AMT BTW. Answer to dual turbo if space is an issue would be a twin scroll turbocharger. Good show old chaps see you for episode 8!
My street bike has ABS and doesn't phase me one bit, but still seems to be a problem for track use based on all the pro reviews. Gonna factor into my next bike decision
Bruce, get the 650!! Ari hit it right on with ABS and radials, my exact sentiments. Great podcast guys
This is Bruce. I appreciate your suggestion and want you to know that I checked out the Kawasaki Z650. It’s a wonderful bike but a full 50 pounds heavier than my 390 Duke. Because I spent so many years mountain biking I may have a different perspective on weight. I also have a real appreciation for the benefits of turbocharging. Turbocharging allows my very lightweight F-150 truck to do amazing things. A turbocharged motorcycle could also be incredible if done right.
@@scanalyst492 its been tried and abandoned, I am 5ft 7in 68 years old riding a moto guzzi 1200 that weighs 550 lbs. And I have 2 knee replacements, soon as you let out the clutch the lbs. dissappear
They have variable turbos removing the need for twin turbos.
Variable vane turbo’s are amazing. Might want to check out the price on those as they’re only in the highest level of gasoline cars, Porsche turbo S comes to mind. The expensive in materials and programming leave variable turbos not feasible in a motorcycle. If you’re thinking about diesels having variable vane turbos that’s correct, but the exhaust gas temperature is a much lower. Thus the expense on the materials is lower due to not having to deal with the extreme heat.
Variable vane turbos also negate wastegates. Which would simplify the complexity of the build.
The main question is are they going to have any new cooler or no intercooler? Where is the glowing hot (during heavy acceleration) turbo going to be located?
Under your sac, denaturing the proteins in your testicles?
I'm a pilot who began riding in my 40s, too. I hear of it a lot, no one can afford a plane once they have kids. Anyway, I agree there's a lot of crossover. I approach riding like flying. I work on a skill every time I go out. I also take some kind of professional training course every two years. The key to being safe is never to stop learning, IMO.
What about the Suzuki Recursion concept, that is a smaller turbo bike, not sure if it will come to market, so it is being looked at.
Good guys having a good time. Very nice.
What's up with Zilla nowadays? Miss Anthony.
The guy cashed out, he's still on the board though.
Thank you for posting. Ah... some folks are entering their next stage in life. The "too many buttons" complaint to be followed in a few years with "these new fangled things" and finally "where is my AARP card?".
I hear that. Though, unlike many folks, on average these guys will actually live to get their AARP card, because they're paying full attention to riding the bike. I'm not for getting rid of abilities to change things on the fly (because some people are better at it than others), but designers could and should simplify the overall levels of distraction while riding.
@@scha0306 LOL, I hear you. I am just a few years from getting my AARP card. After riding my 17' 1200GS a few times, it brings me joy to just get on my 04' 1150R and just turn that baby on and go. :)
Turbo technology has come a long way since the 80's.(fuel injection and ecu aside) The twin turbos on the ecoboost are 2 small same size turbos to increase low end response. Big fan of the banter though.
Re the too much electronics discussion- not to single out KTM or BMW, but some manufacturers seem to have a lot of transient electronic faults i.e. Brett Tkacs new 790 which I think has been back to shop 6-7 times in year one with these issues (he loves the bike BTW); Teapot One took a brand new GSA out, after about 250 miles into a 2000 mile trip it turned itself off and it required towing back to the dealer.
As a Field Service Technician that can't do 80% of my job without a laptop and Service Interface software...I understand both side of the tech comments. Does make my job easier on diagnostics side.
58:40 From the Philippines here. To JON. Riding here or as in any other South East Asian countries is different compared to well developed countries. In aviation there was an ANC(Aviate, Navigate then Communicate). On the ground always communicate to anyone who might cause you risk before or while you "aviate" and navigate. I agree with Spurg and Zack wear proper gear even when others are on flip flops and start on small bikes specially in Metro Manila. cheers
EFI!! Best thing ever! Could have stoped after that.
The other problem is replacing electronic suspension, when it costs £2000 to replace a rear shock on a bike that’s only £5000, and it’s difficult to just put a standard shock on as you then need to replace the front fork cartridge, and the get the deals to turn everything off. What will it do to the second hand prices.
ABS, Traction Control... other non race bike rider aids... they're great for the road (and I'll not have another daily rider that doesn't have them), but maybe not so great at the track (unless the brand specifically tuned modes for track use, which I'd look to you guys to tell me).
I think having car play on touring bikes is far better than previous implementations of navigation. Alot of effort goes into making them simplistic and allows for voice commands. We definitely shouldn't follow cars trends of throwing tablets on dash, far more attention required on bike.
I believe I saw patent somewhere that suzuki was planning a turbocharged bike.
Turbos on bikes is a great idea. Itd be a shit ton of R&D but I bet people would buy them even at high costs. Especially younger generations that grew up on fast and furious.
The use of TFT dashes, comes back to self-control, set the thing to your requirements, then leave it alone. ABS should be fully switchable on one button control all models turn it on for general riding only.
ABS is most certainly one of the best innovations in motorcycles today. I like what information the new dashes bring to the rider but I'm a huge fan of analog gauges. I'm one of those guys who likes to work on his bike so that would be the drawback to newer electronics, but one can't beat the positives it brings. The one trend that I really don't like is more cosmetic, I hate the lack of a rear fender on most modern bikes
Yay for turbos! Check out the twin turbo lawnmower on Utube 😳
The gold wing has always had an airbag since 2006 on respect four. Period even a brand new 2022 has it
I would love a small turbo on my n400. Run maybe around 3lbs of boost at maybe 3k. Either hold it there or build it through the rpms. and one could be satisfied on a small bike that way and still keeping low weight and functionality of a small bike compared to a super or hyper bike thats not as nimble or light.
I think personally Spurg is being irrational with his idea of it, and the potential from a small turboed motorcycle.
How about a topic on concept bike you wish the had put into production, my two were the Suzuki Nuda which still looks futuristic today, and the Stratosphere with its 6 cylinders and Katana styling, this is from a man who bought the B King.
Electronic suspension will eventually be like modern abs.
It will get better and lighter.
But I doubt it will be a game changer like abs is
Spurg is wrong about turbos. On the ford EcoBoost it has two turbos on v engine layouts they have one layout per bank, not not two for different rev ranges.
That being said turbos are still less reliable than na engines. In order to get the full efficiency out of a turbo you need an excellent cooling system and a intercooler. I dont know if that could be implemented on a small motorcycle.
I agree with Zack!!!!!!!!
My first bike that I just recently bought doesn't have any of this. I thought that it was pretty technologically advanced for its time. I guess a 1981 Honda GL1100 Goldwing jyst isn't tops anymore
Guyz, you calling out HRC, when on 82 there was the CX500TC Turbo. around 80 hp. imagine this with new components 40 years later. seems plausible
One of the BEST Highside/Lowside podcasts y'all have ever done. Lots of great info and just enough personal stories to keep it interesting without getting boring or causing listeners to tune out. Nice job gents!
Turbos have had their day on motorcycles, a 80s powerwar gimmick, that was fitted to heavy underbraked mainly Japanese bikes, great to admire in a bike museum only.
New tech: It seems the main complaint not mentioned but it seemed like the core of what you're talking about is that as technology on a motorbike becomes more complex you increasingly lack the tools (software) and possibly the expertise to deal with it. What we want is for the manufactures to make the diagnostic software available to the public (for free, or even just a reasonable price).
TFT dashes: Designers are gonna design. Making something look good does not equal usable. Motorcycle manufactures need to ensure they prioritize function over form. This is a whole area of study and should be taken seriously when designing a motorcycle dash. Marketing should not be giving input in this area unless they also have years of expertise on ux/ui design and prioritizes function.
^ Completely agree. Why can’t there be standardization of diagnostic software so we could all only have to buy one diagnostic tool.
If you have one of the mentioned new airbag jackets, will it deploy if you throw your jacket on a couch, or chair after a ride? 🤔
I'm pretty sure they have a button or something to turn them on and off.
Also I think most airbag controller systems have (constant) updating on the parameters that signify a crash vs a light fall or dropping the jacket. It's gotten a lot smarter, very good for road use. Still a big investment.
Manila traffic compared to North America, at least in my experience was wild. Ride Safe!
"Its gotten to a point where its so complex you just have to take it to the shop"
Should read "its gotten to a point where the complexity exceeds my understanding and diagnostic tools"
How about my new ‘21 KTM SuperDuke? It lets me turn off the traction and stability control while moving, but I can’t turn it back on until stopped?! Genius, boys
or depending on the tire - (OG Speed Triple) 1800 miles
From the Honda UK webpage :)
AIRBAG INFLATOR RECALL
The global Airbag Inflator Recall affects a number of automotive manufacturers and poses a very high safety risk. Please see below for more information and to check if your GL1800 motorcycle is affected.
Fuel injection & antilock brakes.
Great podcast. I love the witty banter and that I always learn something from you guys despite the comedy. Keep it up!
My 650 Yamaha turbo was fine to ride you get very able to control the lag and is a lot of fun ,so Bruce you are wrong ! 🦅🇺🇸🦅🏍
Bring back the Pacific Coast 800 with Twin Turbos, tons of room under those massive panels....but please keep the Iced Beer capable trunk. When I get to where I'm going I'm going to want to crack a beer and Brag bought my TURBO HONDA!
Zack - who makes the best TFT
I want a damn turbo on my bike, would be amazing. 400cc v4 with turbo i am already drooling. Honda rvf 400
Man I love my v4. I got an 82 magna and it’s awesome
On the topic of helmets, can you please add safety related search filters to Revzilla.com? Eg. I'd like to be able to filter by certification (ECE, FIM) or features (MIPS). Promoting safety is also about making it more discoverable. Thanks!
Whatever happened to anti-dive?
Came here for the good convo. Left with a new purpose...
Turbochargers need to be on every new motorcycle in 2021. This includes the Honda Cub.
I wonder if they can get through a podcast without mentioning ABS 😂
I would just like to say Highside/Lowside is a great way to start my Sunday mornings listening to your motorcycle related banter.
Regarding the end I would just like to say to Spurg you are totally missing the point. Bruce wants the advantages that a turbo brings and that is not a bad thing.
More than 50% of cars now have a turbo because they fully recognise the benefits of being to reduce cc, fuel burn and weight by providing boost only when you want/need the extra hp.
Saying that the CX500 turbo didn’t work is like saying that ABS doesn’t work - the tech has come a long way in that time… you pretty much just said that yourselves.
You don’t need a whopping great turbo on a small motor, I would argue that a the largest turbo on a twin turbo setup for a 300-400cc motor would be much smaller than the smallest on a car like the RX7 and the smallest one used to remove lag could be tiny.
Why can’t you have 600 type performance out of a 300-400cc motor by boosting it? We have the tech and the know how now.
Back in the day of the CX500 turbo even cars had major problems with the turbos just look at the Mitsubishi Cordia/Tredia!
That didn’t make everyone give up on the idea, they persevered and it improved to the point where it is now hard to find a car without a turbo.
So I’m with Zack and Bruce on this one, give it a red hot go… maybe it will sell and maybe it won’t but at least try.
Keep up the great work.
I appreciate your clear and logical comments. Bruce
Where is ctxp rs 660 episode?
Pay walls! Bikes with everything on it but dealership needs to unlock after a little more convincing 💰 💵
When I was 11 I had a KX 80 and I would have listened iif it was around back in the day.
More Ari please:) Finally I agree with Spurg, IMHO Tyre Tech. is the most noticeable advance in the past 20yrs. Looking back to the tyres from1970's the difference is even more marked........
While new tech is great, it's making bikes crazy expensive. I bought a FJ09 4 years ago new for $10,500(cdn) the new Tracer 9 is now over $16k.
Yes. An improved chassis without all the extras would have been nice.
31:04 of course we all wish you could go out and buy a set of basic tools and that's all you need to work on your bike, but that has never been the case. anything you want to do, even the simplest jobs require something that would only be useful to another motorcyclist. in some cases, only one with your exact bike. just to change my tires, i had to buy two huge wrenches for the axle nut and bolt on the rear, and a set of gigantic allen sockets for the front axle bolt. tools that i highly doubt will be useful for anything else. and my next bike will probably require completely different tools to do that same job.
so as technology moves forward, so too must the tools. a hundred years from now, an 18 year old might have a plethora of tools that haven't even been invented yet, just to make sure his magnetic drive floating rear wheel is properly aligned when he mounts a new tire. i don't really consider it a bad thing. it's just the way of things.
50:28 one thing i think is awesome; MSF gives courses on military bases for free. i don't know how good the coverage is, but i know they at least give the basic and advanced courses at Carswell JRB. granted, those courses are only useful for a complete newb, but it's still nice.
1:06:27 i agree that if they have tried it recently and it didn't work, why not tell us about it? but i also would not ever ever EVER buy a turbocharged motorcycle. not ever. if all you care about is top speed, then sure, go get yourself a turbo and head on over to the drag strip. but if you care about actual performance, for god sake give me natural or supercharged.