It’s really strange that first generation managed to pass while the last failed. He cars are different, of course, so we can’t just say “haldex v sucks”, still it’s interesting to try and make some analysis. Is it possible that the new A3 had some issues with its clutch pack or the pump? A friend of mine with a superb 2 had issue with his haldex pump that had failed, which lead to practical incapability to force the rear wheels to spin, but still had some veeeery slight power. We tried it on a slippery slope. Strangely enough, the car moved a cm or two, it looked like trying to push with the rear wheels and after a certain threshold was passed, it looked like the rear wheels just were saying “I’m done here” and the fronts right away were losing grip. He went to the service station he next day, they brought he car in the air and the rears started to spin. However, it was possible for two people to literally stop them by hand. They they scanned for errors and voila, an error for a failing pump was logged. All that being said, is it possible that the newer A3 manages to spin the rear on the rollers because there is some kind of a mechanical preload, just like on the 2015 superb? And when the pump is required to kick in, it just can’t do it?
If you look at first test (front wheels on rollers) you can see that haldex is working great. It is almost locked and car moves forward without any problems so rear wheels are talking almost all of the torque. I think that difference here may come from different EDL setup is S3. I will try to find A3 8L and S3 8V and compare them with S3 8L and A3 8V.
1 gen haldex is active, 4/5 gen is reactive, u can see that a3 8v haldex is on, even when wheels are not speening but are on rollers, in s3 it took some time for rear wheels to spin, and u have to remember, these are just haldex systems, within 20 years they are practicaly the same but newer is just faster
@@oktawianjuszczak5178 It is all up to software but in general 1st generation is reactive, although some cars have very basic proactive function. New generations have fully proactive control.
You are right! I also have problem with pump and clatches on my Skoda octavia scout, haldex 5. At first pump was weak and cant do what is suposed to do, when i put new on, then i also have front wheel sllip under the heavy load, then i changed clutches and now it works perfect. This audi has pump issue 100%. Yep it works but not heavy enough!
Owned a 2002 s3 8l and loved it the only downside would be fuel especially after being mapped if you was to daily it, ive now got an 2015 8v s3 and the 8l is still more fun to drive in every way some people might disagree with me but just my thoughts
Definitely not good as a first car, this car is beast and if you dont have much experince in driving car or you jist gain your licence, start with regular A3. These little turbo hot cars got big problems with young drivers, car is great, handle sweet and are so powerful but not exprienced drivers cannot handle this and this ussualy leads to some crash or broken car. Start with some car around 100 HPs and then continue. If you like your and others life.
I hope you did do it. Great car, my second car now. Started with a polo 9n3 Gti 150hp, with the same engine. Now own an Audi S3 8L ABT, with 100hp more. Very similiar but more refind by the quattro & K04 turbo. Actual tips: do your haldex oil & filter. Aswel as your engine oil, filter & oilpump filter (inside the oilpan is a filter) about every 10/12,5dkm. Only drive on Shell V-power if able or other premium 100/98octane fuels. Maintance is like your best friend, these cars need alot of special attetion & a big wallet to go along with it. Try keeping it OEM or OEM+ is a must. Never skip out on part costs. Swap anything with oem or beter parts when signals of defect. My main point is: this complex little car is amazing to have on the road. But not ideale to keep it on. If you dont already have a space to work on your car, or the time & expierence with these engine's ( & money, big factor). This is not for you.
To żaden akt desperacji, kierowca musi lekko korygować kierownicą żeby utrzymać samochód na rolkach. Tu masz to wyjaśnione: ruclips.net/video/O1mEqyU9KDo/видео.html
Ja chciałbym się dowiedzieć jak sprawa wygląda w tylnym moście w mojej starej navarze d22 td25ti 103 KM 2000r, z odpietym przodem podczas uślizgu tylnej osi wyczuwalne jest jakby działanie LSDka. To możliwe? Jest tam coś? Jeśli tak to na jakiej zasadzie działa?
@@plejadek Nope. Driver must turn the steering wheel to keep the car on rollers. It slipped as a result of rear wheel spinning on pavement but it moved forward, not sideways.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Now imagine Haldex 1st/2nd generation with diesel engine (more torque at lower speed)comparing against shown audi a3 diesel with Haldex 5.
The s3's did worse on the axle split test as it's clutch pack is 20y old, and it would've done better on the single rear wheel if it had more weight over it.. these cars are very front heavy.
Very interesting but 1st thing the steering wheel was horrible! 2nd the carbon fiber look on the dashboard and doors was like very poor ghetto style, 3rd the clear tail lights was like very dull look and last I would say because it’s in Germany, please this project deserved an R32 engine& gear box. Come on I know you guys can do all this corrections and come back to blast another video🖤🖤 Cheers from Brazil
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Five days later, the guy is still there, can someone feed him ?
😂😂😂😂
Lol
Haldex is a great system. It works perfectly in the real world and doesn't have a big impact on the fuel mileage.
yeah, if it doesnt break first
@@MrJonttu_ the pump needs maintenance, most of the broke haldex i saw where because they weren't taken care of
@@romainrateltv8640 yes, but saying its perfect is a stretch
@@MrJonttu_ i've never said that but it's not a terrible system
8l love
Legends says he is still trying
8l love!
It’s really strange that first generation managed to pass while the last failed. He cars are different, of course, so we can’t just say “haldex v sucks”, still it’s interesting to try and make some analysis. Is it possible that the new A3 had some issues with its clutch pack or the pump? A friend of mine with a superb 2 had issue with his haldex pump that had failed, which lead to practical incapability to force the rear wheels to spin, but still had some veeeery slight power. We tried it on a slippery slope. Strangely enough, the car moved a cm or two, it looked like trying to push with the rear wheels and after a certain threshold was passed, it looked like the rear wheels just were saying “I’m done here” and the fronts right away were losing grip. He went to the service station he next day, they brought he car in the air and the rears started to spin. However, it was possible for two people to literally stop them by hand. They they scanned for errors and voila, an error for a failing pump was logged.
All that being said, is it possible that the newer A3 manages to spin the rear on the rollers because there is some kind of a mechanical preload, just like on the 2015 superb? And when the pump is required to kick in, it just can’t do it?
If you look at first test (front wheels on rollers) you can see that haldex is working great. It is almost locked and car moves forward without any problems so rear wheels are talking almost all of the torque.
I think that difference here may come from different EDL setup is S3. I will try to find A3 8L and S3 8V and compare them with S3 8L and A3 8V.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers that will solve the problem 👍
1 gen haldex is active, 4/5 gen is reactive, u can see that a3 8v haldex is on, even when wheels are not speening but are on rollers, in s3 it took some time for rear wheels to spin, and u have to remember, these are just haldex systems, within 20 years they are practicaly the same but newer is just faster
@@oktawianjuszczak5178 It is all up to software but in general 1st generation is reactive, although some cars have very basic proactive function. New generations have fully proactive control.
You are right! I also have problem with pump and clatches on my Skoda octavia scout, haldex 5. At first pump was weak and cant do what is suposed to do, when i put new on, then i also have front wheel sllip under the heavy load, then i changed clutches and now it works perfect. This audi has pump issue 100%. Yep it works but not heavy enough!
Very informative tests. Thanks for sharing
Im interested on buying an s3 8l for a first car. Can you guys tell me if its a good car?
Ask the owner of the car please, his name is Dawid, you'll find him in comments.
Owned a 2002 s3 8l and loved it the only downside would be fuel especially after being mapped if you was to daily it, ive now got an 2015 8v s3 and the 8l is still more fun to drive in every way some people might disagree with me but just my thoughts
Im owner s3 8l a litle bit modified to 300hp and car is awesome but fuel consumption is huge more less 16l/100 pb98
Definitely not good as a first car, this car is beast and if you dont have much experince in driving car or you jist gain your licence, start with regular A3. These little turbo hot cars got big problems with young drivers, car is great, handle sweet and are so powerful but not exprienced drivers cannot handle this and this ussualy leads to some crash or broken car. Start with some car around 100 HPs and then continue. If you like your and others life.
I hope you did do it. Great car, my second car now. Started with a polo 9n3 Gti 150hp, with the same engine. Now own an Audi S3 8L ABT, with 100hp more. Very similiar but more refind by the quattro & K04 turbo.
Actual tips: do your haldex oil & filter. Aswel as your engine oil, filter & oilpump filter (inside the oilpan is a filter) about every 10/12,5dkm.
Only drive on Shell V-power if able or other premium 100/98octane fuels.
Maintance is like your best friend, these cars need alot of special attetion & a big wallet to go along with it.
Try keeping it OEM or OEM+ is a must. Never skip out on part costs. Swap anything with oem or beter parts when signals of defect.
My main point is: this complex little car is amazing to have on the road. But not ideale to keep it on.
If you dont already have a space to work on your car, or the time & expierence with these engine's ( & money, big factor). This is not for you.
2:46 kierowca skręcił koła w akcie desperacji i dlatego wyjechał. The driver turned the wheels and therefore started off.
To żaden akt desperacji, kierowca musi lekko korygować kierownicą żeby utrzymać samochód na rolkach. Tu masz to wyjaśnione: ruclips.net/video/O1mEqyU9KDo/видео.html
Chyba cie łeb swędzi.
@@dawidsobierski2422 Hey Dawid, i heard you are a owner of an s3. Do you recommend buying a audi s3 8l. Im thinking of buying one for my first car.
@@naruftw3235 yes. But try to buy s3 AMK/BAM engines as they are better to tune.
@@dawidsobierski2422 Ok, but how do i check what engine does the car have. I dont see owners specifying what is the engine on listings.
In 2 months i will have a ttrs 2020 available for test in Germany.
The problem is to find rollers..
Come to Poland for a test 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers 😅😅
Does the S3 have some kind of Sport Differential on the back?
No, stock open diff.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks for the reply 👍🏻
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers a nie ma przypadkiem "elektronicznej szpery" zwanej XDS? moje a3 8L 1.9 tdi quattro ma...
@@Swiezak84 Ma EDL, czyli interwencja układu hamulcowego. Nie wiem, czy w tamtych latach XDS był już dostępny.
Need brake force Distribution to slow down the rear wheel that is sleeping
01:25 i 01:36 co to za odgłosy?
Rozpędzone rolki ?
Zgadza się, to rolki na poziomie hyper-speed.
Ja chciałbym się dowiedzieć jak sprawa wygląda w tylnym moście w mojej starej navarze d22 td25ti 103 KM 2000r, z odpietym przodem podczas uślizgu tylnej osi wyczuwalne jest jakby działanie LSDka. To możliwe? Jest tam coś? Jeśli tak to na jakiej zasadzie działa?
Niestety nie mam wiedzy na ten temat. Podnieś tylną oś, zakręć kołem i wszystko będzie jasne 🙂
What if he had shifted into second or third gear?
Too fast.
i have a 2009 A3, so is my car going to perform like the one in the video, spinning forever?
I don't know, we didn't test 8P/8PA/8P7. But don't worry about spinning in the last test, that is extremelyb rare situation.
So haldex Gen 1 better ?
In general - no. Haldex 1 is only reactive, haldex 4 is proactive.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers can Haldex 4 be mounted in S3 8L ?
@@burns985 I don't know... Different controller, different sensors...
Haldex best and gen 5 is top check cupra formentor never spin haldex with close eyes trust.
A Honda się przygląda :-)
cars failed the one rear wheel test, and I think that is more the fault of the EDL than the Haldex
S3 didn't fail. Although it is much older it may have different EDL setup than A3.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I'm affraid it failed. The guy was constantly turning the steering weel, so finaly the car slipped from the rollers.
@@plejadek Nope. Driver must turn the steering wheel to keep the car on rollers. It slipped as a result of rear wheel spinning on pavement but it moved forward, not sideways.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Now imagine Haldex 1st/2nd generation with diesel engine (more torque at lower speed)comparing against shown audi a3 diesel with Haldex 5.
@@toolfevertoolfever8716 This was tuned S3, really powerful. But it doesn't matter in these tests cause there's really not much torque needed here.
The s3's did worse on the axle split test as it's clutch pack is 20y old, and it would've done better on the single rear wheel if it had more weight over it.. these cars are very front heavy.
When the test was done... i had new cluch... +new flying wheel.
Very interesting but 1st thing the steering wheel was horrible! 2nd the carbon fiber look on the dashboard and doors was like very poor ghetto style, 3rd the clear tail lights was like very dull look and last I would say because it’s in Germany, please this project deserved an R32 engine& gear box.
Come on I know you guys can do all this corrections and come back to blast another video🖤🖤
Cheers from Brazil
Cheers from Poland 🇵🇱
jak nie widać różnicy to po co przepłacać
Honda Win!
Does it? ruclips.net/video/8oyFhP_mGMw/видео.html
this cars needed LCD
You mean LSD?
No metter
First. YES
Audi 2014 govno!
dah, govno