For those of you who haven't seen the note on the original comment yet, I had missed an update on the sabre when I was out of town, so the stealth portion of this video is outdated and pretty much just wrong. Because of that, I used the YT edit feature and removed that section. It's currently going through processing and appears to be about 10% done with updates. I'm hoping it looks ok after the edit is done, otherwise, I'll just redo the whole thing. Keep your fingers crossed. Working with files this large can be a pain. Normally I would just put in an annotation, but it just seemed too big of a mistake to leave in place. Thanks for the feedback to those who caught it! STL
+STLYoungblood I liked your classifications on the fighters and bombers. Where do the Merlin and Archimedes fit in? Will you have a Choosing the Best Snub fighter video? Merlin, Archimedes, x85, Argo. Let's do Pirate ships next.
+Joisey Thanks! I left them off since this is primarily a ship buyers guide, and the lack of jump engine makes them very limited. That being said, I could probably do one of those, but I'd like to see them in combat first, but I could theory craft!
STLYoungblood I recommend waiting until we see what sort of snub the Carrack is going to get. You could also probably add the Dragonfly to the snub category.
Clear Sky torpedo is actually a cluster missile for taking out fighters. The torpedo closes the distance to the group of fighters opens up and unleashes several smaller missiles that auto target and overwhelm.
In the recent "10 for the Designers: Episode 06", they said the Xi'an Scout currently has a speed of 270. They also talk about tentative weapons ("two size 3 lasers for sure", and looking into putting in a set of size 2's) and other stats. I vote pirate.
STLYoungblood, please refer to the Saber Q&A, the Ghost was made stealth as an after thought, the Saber was purpose build as a stealth ship and was a direct competitor to the Anvil F8 Lightening as a Vanduul Stinger Heavy Fighter killer which took more of Hornet approach where the Saber basically took everything that made the Gladius great, made it bigger and beefier and "purpose build it around stealth systems"!
+Dorian Lang (RangerXML) Yup. They said that if you want to be a stealth ship the Saber is going to be strictly better than the Ghost at being stealthy. Once you get found the hornet does have better shields and a little more firepower so you'll still be a pain but if you want to go undetected, go for the Saber. @STLYoungblood I think you should go over the Q&A and release a quick vid with corrections or at least add some corrections to this video. Still an awesome vid though and I really appreciate your dedication and the general reliability of your information. It's a ton of information to take in so I hold nothing against you for getting something wrong.
+Cormac Connolly i think i saw info about x'ian weapon on one of the RTV thread, i think it has 2 size 2 confirmed and maybe 2 other ( they are nt sure yet)
+Dorian Lang (RangerXML) Thank you for pointing it out. I was out of town for a week or so and must have missed it. I've removed the stealth section and may do a follow up with that later.
For combat purposes only, I have the Delta, Avenger, Gladius, 350R, Cutlass Blue, Gladiator, Super Hornet, Sabre, Vanguard Harbinger(with Warden BUK), Retaliator. My wife thinks I have a problem......pfffttt, what does she know
+STLYoungblood, I noticed a slight oversight when you discussed the Mustang Delta that still might affect someone's decision whether or not to purchase it. For at least a couple months now it's been possible to remove the rocket pods through the holotable, yielding an extra pair of S2 hardpoints. This enables a "six-shooter" configuration for those that don't like the rockets, or just prefer to sometimes use an all guns load-out.
One thing which I found to be crucial when buying a fighter ship is the visibility from within the cockpit. Which is largely the reason I do not like the hornets. I have the spare money to buy any of these and yet I went with a 325A & Gladius. After testing I concluded that my preferences go towards the Delta,Gladius and 300series. Also I might mention that currently the leaderboards are of course flooded with super hornets, but occaisionally you'll find a 325 or Avenger among them. I would suggest for fighters to use the code we got for all ships and test them out. As I said I found visibility & agility to be one of the deciding factors.
I originally thought just as you about the Ghost - Sabre stealth ability, but recent info suggests that it's the other way around where the Sabre was fully intended for stealth, and the Ghost is just retrofitted for stealth.
I think the saber was designed for stealth where the ghost was retrofitted hornet. Just like tracker. Saber is the true ninja and probably more stealthy.
I have to point out for the Gladiator; After the 1.3 Update those Eight Size 3 Missiles are a guaranteed Vanduul instakill (so long as they aren't continuously outrun), and those Four Size 5 Torpedoes can literally AOE Smash a clustered group of anything. I watched one detonate as a total miss and actually kill the intended target. Anything that can't dodge or outrun those, like a Retaliator or a Vanguard, aren't going to look pretty after a single hit. And it's just as big of a tank as the Hornet in Vanduul Swarm, but is even slower and less maneuverable.
Hello! Really like your videos! Just wanted to say that agree'd with everything you said except the part comparing the Hornet Ghost and the Sabre. From how it read in the Sabre Q&A was that it was the more purpose built stealth platform while the Hornet was more of a stealth afterthought but with the armor and weapons to support it once it was spotted. Everything else seemed spot on and I may be wrong just adding my two cents
Sabre was never designed with speed in mind. That is already woven into the fact, that it has a stealthy component to it. So: Stealth and speed is contrary to each others.
I can pull the triple racks off of my sabre, the quad racks off of my Vanguard, and run 14 missiles on my gladius. Combine that with 3 tarantula's (or whatever is the flavor of the month) and it's a pretty tough ship to beat.
+Matt S "Compared to the Hornet Ghost the Sabre is built from the ground up to be a dedicated “stealth” ship whereas the Hornet Ghost is retrofitted to become stealthy, therefore whilst the Ghost is still very stealthy compared to other ships it wont be quite as impervious to radar as the Sabre. "
I think you're mistaken, from the Saber Q&A, the Saber is built for stealth from the beginning. The hornet ghost is a variant and will be way less stealthy. It's pretty clear in CIG answers.
Haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if this was already pointed out to you. Regarding the Redeemer Gunship/Drop Ship/Heavy Fighter/whatever they decide to call it next, are you aware that the interior drop ship portion of the craft will be modular? CIG hasn't said what modules will be made available, but I would imagine a cargo module and possibly Ewar/C&C should be expected. All of your "Picking the Right..." videos I have seen so far mention the Redeemer, but don't bring up this little tidbit. As always, thanks for taking the time to gift us with your thoughts. I enjoy your videos and hope to see more in the future.
Khartu-al has a speed of 270 and 2 size 3 guns and possibly 2 size 2 guns. These stats would have changed your m50 vs 350r. This was all in the recent ATV or RTV.
You didn't mention the fact that the 325A will come stock with armor, and in AC right now, does have a damage reduction modifier due to this fact. The Avenger will require an armor upgrade in the PU.
I prefer the sabre... to me it feels like a jack of all trades, decent armor decent shields and modularity to switch between stealth or heavily equiped
pre PTU (havent checked in the PTU) the LN can carry only 2 S2 guns. the whisker mounts (below the cockpit) were restricted to S1. when the 3d model of the reliant reconfigured its own shape, was anybody else reminded of a star wars B-wing? this isnt really relevent to the discussion, but i just wanted to point out an odd quirk i found about he 325. pre PTU, if you remove the S2 Sledge Mass Driver gun on your holo table, that hardpoint will only allow you to place a S1 weapon there. you can not re-place the Sledge once removed without re-loading your game -- at least as far as the citizen con free fly goes. i know this is not terribly relevant most of the time, but id be curious to hear your opinions of tiny fighters like the Merlin and the Khartu-al where do you get the top speeds of the ships from? "the Hornet Ghost was purpose built to be stealthy" that is not my understanding. from what ive read, the ghist was more like a hornet that was retrofitted with stealth options like low signature armor and the like. The Sabre is the ship that was more built with stealth in mind to begin with with a low signature, high speed and retractable weapons. i dont doubt the ghost will be fully capable of stealth ops, but the sabre seems to be the one being touted as the most "ninja like" by the developers. i say you do a general purpose ship video before doing a piracy ship video, but id like to see both
The Saber seems to be the uber fighter at this time. It may have little armour or shield for its size but it has huge firepower all facing in one direction. The ship is stealthy and can surprise an enemy ship getting the jump on them and crippling them in the first few seconds. I can even see the Saber taking on a Vanguard long ranged heavy fighter and taking it out. Of course it is foolish to engage one on one. This game will be about grouping up in multiship combat with your friends. Best ship always belongs a good player operating in the best coordinated group.
I have an LN I've killed all types of ships including super hornets. Although I feel like the look and build of it fits a trading/cargo ship. So I might switch it to another model when the PU drops.
+shadowsa2b there was a time when the LN was actually a fairly viable option (mostly when missiles were broken it was in the top 3)... it still is, but much less so since more recent balances.
Yeah I could do it, but look at my name lol. I'm in the process of rebranding my channel, I'll do it then. Keep in mind i'm not saying its the optimal choice, but if you choose your fights and positioning wisely it has the weapons to get the job done.
what weapons do you use? i usually use badges and bulldogs, but in the ptu im gonna try out those free mass drivers in place of the badgers. its standard m3a/m4a guns are pretty weak...
I use the bulldogs on bottom and the sawbucks on top. Keep in mind I use joystick so its impractical to use gimbals so I use fixed. I think I might be able to fit badgers but I'm not sure. The idea is to use your repeater as a visual lead for your target, as soon as you get a couple of consecutive shots start shooting your sawbuck and you should be on target. Soon enough you will get a good feel for the sawbucks target lead, so you could switch to some omniskys with your sawbuck for maximum damage. I've done a lot of test with loadouts and I found that a repeater with a sawbuck is the best combo for the LN. Its a great combo for a steady stream of lasers(damage) to top it off with a powerful ballistic cannon(major damage) to shred through targets.
Now that the cutlass has been reworked, what is your opinion of it now? As of January 2019? I am excited for the flight model change in 3.5 but I really really like the cutlass now. It's the ship I am flying currently. I haven't had it in combat yet, as I don't attack other players and can never make it to a combat mission in time before it fails so i can't comment on its combat but I absolutely love the ship
im looking to start off and im not sure what to buy for my first ship/s.. i have a $95 USD budget and im not sure which to buy..i was think of getting the avenger but im really not sure :/
superhornet doesnt have a manned turret its a remote controlled one so if you are piloting you can use it np but if someone is in the 2nd seat they r gonna be controlling it instead, the vanguard has a manned turret
@STLYoungblood Why didn't you mention the Constellation Phoenix variant? It's the only non-frigate-sized ship out there that has an automatic point defense turret along with 4 s4 gimbaled weapons, 2 manned turrets, and 4 missile racks. The stats alone suggest it can go toe to toe and pound per pound with the Retaliator.
+Nerd Council Member The phoenix has a lot of versatility and I think it will be proficient in combat. That being said, look where I placed the retaliator in categories, and that was only in bomber. I don't think the retaliator fits the bill of a gunboat. So if I had to place the phoenix into a spot, it would probably have to be in gunboat category, and I don't think that's really it's role. Keep an eye out for the phoenix in the general purpose and dangerous cargo videos though.
+STLYoungblood What would you recommend for a Fighter that could Accompany Exploration ships? Been having a hard time answering that question myself with the limited/non-existant ship range info I have found.
+Dan Carlin It's hard to answer because it's basically speculation at this point. That being said, I think the Vanguard will be outstanding in this role. Long range fighter, more than capable. The only downside with this is it's not the true agile dogfighter. So with that in mind, something like a vanguard with another smaller fighter may make a nice pick. Range dependent of course.
+STLYoungblood yes my thoughts as well, the Vanguard or the 315p with the tractor beam replaced with a gun, but all the same that can change at the drop of a hat much like the Freelancer DUR has....
My problem is that I don't see a fun career as a pirate or just a fighter, I would like bounty hunting in a large ship with friends but I don't see how that would be profitable and everyone is going to do it.
+STLYoungblood basely the sabre is more stealthy as the hornet ghost source Aegis Sabre Q&A 1also the hornet ghost is retrofired to be stealth wile the sabre is build as a dedicated stealth in minded love to post the link but apparently you prevent copy and paste of posting links and so
+Edison Trent Yea, someone mentioned that above. I edited out the whole stealth section since I missed that. As far as links, I don't prevent that at all. The only thing I said I didn't want was the referral codes being spammed in the comments. If links are relevant and helpful, I actually encourage them!
+Chris Harlin I asked the question on reddit and it got answered. Missiles are for ship v ship bombs &/or torpedo's are for taking out large ships and capital ships. Bombs and torpedo's will be much larger.
How can you even put Gladius in the same category as Sabre? Sabre is made to go against Super Hornet and meduim to heawy Vanduul ships. It is dream stealth fighter which should constantly win against anything below Super Hornet. Vanguard is designed to go against Connies, Freelancers, Retaliators,.. smaller fighters are not going to pose any issues. basically 1-2 hits from its nose gun and they're gone.
+Robert Ra Because the gladius and Sabre both have characteristics that are similar, at least in regards to being military specific ships with speed and agility in their favor. What makes a ship capable against heavier targets like a super hornet? You can go brawn vs brawn, or you can out maneuver and out speed, and that's where the gladius and sabre should have some similarity. In regards to the Vanguard, it's weapons will deal great damage to the smaller ships, however, the smaller more nimble ships are hard to fight in a slower larger ship.
• Sabre is stealthy. It has more stealth features and equipment than the ghost. So it is harder to nottice and harder to lock on. • It has great weaponry (4x S3) • It is much better at maneuvering and speed compared to SH (akin to a Gladius) • It has strong shields and redundancies, unlike SH • It is the latest prototype tech • It costs more than the SH All these points are weighing heavily in the direction that Sabre should have no issue killing Super Hornets and anything below. This of course is my projection solely based on the above mentioned points and of course logic tied into them.
Just found you video, and it's a pain to say that the Redeemer is still not available! I need to stop watching this "old-not-so-old" videos... They make me realize how much we, players, have been expecting from GIC, or how much CIG has not been delivering! >.
+MrEasterrabbit That was actually a conscious decision to leave them out. Glaive is a reproduction and was very limited in the number that were sold, and you had to unlock the badge to get it, and the Scythe is very very rare. I think they have their place, especially as more can earn them in the PU, but for the purpose of this video, It didn't seem right to include.
Why do they feel the need to give EVERY ship weapons? I mean, Why would they design the M50 to have weapons? that would just make the ship heaver even if they weren't equipped. Wasn't it designed for racing? Same with the P52/72. No reason for weapons. Its a cruise/racing ship.
Eeh, the vanguard doesn't have that much staying power. It's engines are far too exposed, making them easy targets... The bnz manoeuvre would be effective but the level of guns you can place on any of the hornets can chew through large shields quickly, and disabling the engines would be very easy. I'd be sold on the vanguard if the engines weren't two big glowing targets, just waiting to be shot.
+Monty the grey Actually the brochure has it at zero. I would go with the brochure over the stats page, but that's hard to say which is really right! My assumption would be no cargo
the boom and zoom.....when will idiots stop thinking that's good? when your coming in at cruise, keep in mind your maneuverability and aim will be really bad and you will be easy to hit for the other ship you are charging. not to mention those fixed weapons on the vanguard wont make it any more easy to get guns on target. only that crappy gat will be able to get on target.
Yes! But since you appear to be driving that I have it wrong, here you go: "ENGINEERING (of a component) not strictly necessary to functioning but included in case of failure in another component." More than 1 meaning for words...
For those of you who haven't seen the note on the original comment yet, I had missed an update on the sabre when I was out of town, so the stealth portion of this video is outdated and pretty much just wrong. Because of that, I used the YT edit feature and removed that section. It's currently going through processing and appears to be about 10% done with updates. I'm hoping it looks ok after the edit is done, otherwise, I'll just redo the whole thing. Keep your fingers crossed. Working with files this large can be a pain. Normally I would just put in an annotation, but it just seemed too big of a mistake to leave in place. Thanks for the feedback to those who caught it!
STL
+STLYoungblood I liked your classifications on the fighters and bombers. Where do the Merlin and Archimedes fit in? Will you have a Choosing the Best Snub fighter video? Merlin, Archimedes, x85, Argo. Let's do Pirate ships next.
+Joisey Thanks! I left them off since this is primarily a ship buyers guide, and the lack of jump engine makes them very limited. That being said, I could probably do one of those, but I'd like to see them in combat first, but I could theory craft!
STLYoungblood
I recommend waiting until we see what sort of snub the Carrack is going to get. You could also probably add the Dragonfly to the snub category.
Would you still recommend PXP org? I like your videos and saw that mention in there.
Every fighter is gangsta till a Hammerhead quantum drives in.
General purpose ship and I'm so happy you mentioned the Freelancer MIS because it think it's just a Badass ship
5:53 "You merely adopted combat. I was born with it."
Clear Sky torpedo is actually a cluster missile for taking out fighters. The torpedo closes the distance to the group of fighters opens up and unleashes several smaller missiles that auto target and overwhelm.
In the recent "10 for the Designers: Episode 06", they said the Xi'an Scout currently has a speed of 270. They also talk about tentative weapons ("two size 3 lasers for sure", and looking into putting in a set of size 2's) and other stats.
I vote pirate.
STLYoungblood, please refer to the Saber Q&A, the Ghost was made stealth as an after thought, the Saber was purpose build as a stealth ship and was a direct competitor to the Anvil F8 Lightening as a Vanduul Stinger Heavy Fighter killer which took more of Hornet approach where the Saber basically took everything that made the Gladius great, made it bigger and beefier and "purpose build it around stealth systems"!
+Dorian Lang (RangerXML) Yup. They said that if you want to be a stealth ship the Saber is going to be strictly better than the Ghost at being stealthy. Once you get found the hornet does have better shields and a little more firepower so you'll still be a pain but if you want to go undetected, go for the Saber. @STLYoungblood I think you should go over the Q&A and release a quick vid with corrections or at least add some corrections to this video. Still an awesome vid though and I really appreciate your dedication and the general reliability of your information. It's a ton of information to take in so I hold nothing against you for getting something wrong.
wow I was got to where he said that and went to comments to say exactly this stuff
+Cormac Connolly i think i saw info about x'ian weapon on one of the RTV thread, i think it has 2 size 2 confirmed and maybe 2 other ( they are nt sure yet)
+Dorian Lang (RangerXML) Thank you for pointing it out. I was out of town for a week or so and must have missed it. I've removed the stealth section and may do a follow up with that later.
YUUUUUS. Thx Youngblood! :) One day soon i'm goona be abke to pilot through space with everybody! Lookin' forward to seeing you in the star systems!
For combat purposes only, I have the Delta, Avenger, Gladius, 350R, Cutlass Blue, Gladiator, Super Hornet, Sabre, Vanguard Harbinger(with Warden BUK), Retaliator. My wife thinks I have a problem......pfffttt, what does she know
+STLYoungblood,
I noticed a slight oversight when you discussed the Mustang Delta that still might affect someone's decision whether or not to purchase it. For at least a couple months now it's been possible to remove the rocket pods through the holotable, yielding an extra pair of S2 hardpoints. This enables a "six-shooter" configuration for those that don't like the rockets, or just prefer to sometimes use an all guns load-out.
One thing which I found to be crucial when buying a fighter ship is the visibility from within the cockpit. Which is largely the reason I do not like the hornets. I have the spare money to buy any of these and yet I went with a 325A & Gladius. After testing I concluded that my preferences go towards the Delta,Gladius and 300series. Also I might mention that currently the leaderboards are of course flooded with super hornets, but occaisionally you'll find a 325 or Avenger among them. I would suggest for fighters to use the code we got for all ships and test them out. As I said I found visibility & agility to be one of the deciding factors.
I originally thought just as you about the Ghost - Sabre stealth ability, but recent info suggests that it's the other way around where the Sabre was fully intended for stealth, and the Ghost is just retrofitted for stealth.
So glad I picked up a Redeemer. I always imagined them like those assault transports in the xwing games just a pain to deal with and covered in guns.
I would like to see choosing the right general purpose ship next.... thanks and great video by the way.
I think the saber was designed for stealth where the ghost was retrofitted hornet. Just like tracker. Saber is the true ninja and probably more stealthy.
I have to point out for the Gladiator; After the 1.3 Update those Eight Size 3 Missiles are a guaranteed Vanduul instakill (so long as they aren't continuously outrun), and those Four Size 5 Torpedoes can literally AOE Smash a clustered group of anything. I watched one detonate as a total miss and actually kill the intended target. Anything that can't dodge or outrun those, like a Retaliator or a Vanguard, aren't going to look pretty after a single hit.
And it's just as big of a tank as the Hornet in Vanduul Swarm, but is even slower and less maneuverable.
+CDRTasun Sorry, I'm dumb, Eight Size Two Missiles (Defaulted to Tempest 2s), with Two Size 3 Wing Mounts and the 2xS1 Turret.
Would be great to have this series updated. 325a just got a weapons buff as well.
The delta seems very good as an interceptor to attack larger as opposed to a fighter for dogfighting.
Hello! Really like your videos! Just wanted to say that agree'd with everything you said except the part comparing the Hornet Ghost and the Sabre. From how it read in the Sabre Q&A was that it was the more purpose built stealth platform while the Hornet was more of a stealth afterthought but with the armor and weapons to support it once it was spotted. Everything else seemed spot on and I may be wrong just adding my two cents
+Jess A. You're right Jess, I just totally missed the Q&A while I was out of town. I've edited the video and it's in processing now. And thanks!
The New 8 lightning looks fantastic
Sabre was never designed with speed in mind. That is already woven into the fact, that it has a stealthy component to it. So: Stealth and speed is contrary to each others.
I can pull the triple racks off of my sabre, the quad racks off of my Vanguard, and run 14 missiles on my gladius. Combine that with 3 tarantula's (or whatever is the flavor of the month) and it's a pretty tough ship to beat.
I think you mixed up the sabre and hornet ghost, sabre is purpose built stealthy and hornet was retro fitted to be stealthy. great video
Re watching this was really interesting. I would love to see you do an update of this post 2.4.
I saw many think the Saber was more a stealth ship than the Ghost, interesting that you thought the other way.
+Matt S well some info were in the Q&A and some given during reverse the verse too ( x'ian scout weapon for exemple)
+Matt S "Compared to the Hornet Ghost the Sabre is built from the ground up to be a dedicated “stealth” ship whereas the Hornet Ghost is retrofitted to become stealthy, therefore whilst the Ghost is still very stealthy compared to other ships it wont be quite as impervious to radar as the Sabre. "
I hope at some point in the game I get to see a scenario where a couple wings of Vanguards have to hit a pirate Idris in a long range sortie.
I think you're mistaken, from the Saber Q&A, the Saber is built for stealth from the beginning. The hornet ghost is a variant and will be way less stealthy. It's pretty clear in CIG answers.
+taetriusforever Already edited and addressed in comments above. I was out of town and missed the Q&A.
Combat Lexus. Subbed just for that.
Really enjoy your work, thank you for these and your Starmap videos.
+Natasha “Doc” Parker Thanks for joining, Natasha!
Great video, pirate choices next please.
Haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if this was already pointed out to you. Regarding the Redeemer Gunship/Drop Ship/Heavy Fighter/whatever they decide to call it next, are you aware that the interior drop ship portion of the craft will be modular? CIG hasn't said what modules will be made available, but I would imagine a cargo module and possibly Ewar/C&C should be expected. All of your "Picking the Right..." videos I have seen so far mention the Redeemer, but don't bring up this little tidbit. As always, thanks for taking the time to gift us with your thoughts. I enjoy your videos and hope to see more in the future.
Aurora LN, do not underestimate. that thing can handle itself against a SH.
general purpose, eh? Why do I have the feeling this will end in a battle between the Freelancer and the Connie.
Khartu-al has a speed of 270 and 2 size 3 guns and possibly 2 size 2 guns. These stats would have changed your m50 vs 350r. This was all in the recent ATV or RTV.
I vote general purpose next
You didn't mention the fact that the 325A will come stock with armor, and in AC right now, does have a damage reduction modifier due to this fact. The Avenger will require an armor upgrade in the PU.
I prefer the sabre... to me it feels like a jack of all trades, decent armor decent shields and modularity to switch between stealth or heavily equiped
pre PTU (havent checked in the PTU) the LN can carry only 2 S2 guns. the whisker mounts (below the cockpit) were restricted to S1.
when the 3d model of the reliant reconfigured its own shape, was anybody else reminded of a star wars B-wing?
this isnt really relevent to the discussion, but i just wanted to point out an odd quirk i found about he 325. pre PTU, if you remove the S2 Sledge Mass Driver gun on your holo table, that hardpoint will only allow you to place a S1 weapon there. you can not re-place the Sledge once removed without re-loading your game -- at least as far as the citizen con free fly goes.
i know this is not terribly relevant most of the time, but id be curious to hear your opinions of tiny fighters like the Merlin and the Khartu-al
where do you get the top speeds of the ships from?
"the Hornet Ghost was purpose built to be stealthy" that is not my understanding. from what ive read, the ghist was more like a hornet that was retrofitted with stealth options like low signature armor and the like. The Sabre is the ship that was more built with stealth in mind to begin with with a low signature, high speed and retractable weapons. i dont doubt the ghost will be fully capable of stealth ops, but the sabre seems to be the one being touted as the most "ninja like" by the developers.
i say you do a general purpose ship video before doing a piracy ship video, but id like to see both
Great video as always, STI. Making me seriously consider CCU'ing my 325A to a Vanguard, especially with the modular options.
Gah, I meant STL. NO idea why I keep messing up your name.
+Mario Lara STI xD
I know, worst part is that he's my organization mate and I *should* know better, LOL.
Mario Lara That's even worse lolz :D I still can't stop giggling at that (Proves how mature I am ;_;)
+Mario Lara Do you want to travel multiple jump points to fight and then travel multiple jump points back?
The Saber seems to be the uber fighter at this time. It may have little armour or shield for its size but it has huge firepower all facing in one direction. The ship is stealthy and can surprise an enemy ship getting the jump on them and crippling them in the first few seconds. I can even see the Saber taking on a Vanguard long ranged heavy fighter and taking it out. Of course it is foolish to engage one on one. This game will be about grouping up in multiship combat with your friends. Best ship always belongs a good player operating in the best coordinated group.
Hey STL, good video, I have a little tidbit of info though: The khartu-al's speed was confirmed to be 270 m/s in a recent AtV
The Warden is a God
Time to update this series
+STLYoungblood Loved the video, I'm excited to hear what you have to say about the cutlass black...so obviously I think you should do piracy next.
I can't wait for my Sabre. Rip super hornet
Clearly the Aurora CL is the ship to buy, I mean that's why I have 13 of them.
+MrNingaFilms I knew you did. You're the CL dealer of choice
I would like to see the general purpose ship video.
Love the video. I only own 3 ships, 350r, MIS, & the Harbinger. See great minds do think alike :P. General purpose ships next plz :)
Pirate next! Yarrr
I have an LN I've killed all types of ships including super hornets. Although I feel like the look and build of it fits a trading/cargo ship. So I might switch it to another model when the PU drops.
+4Skyrim id like to see some video of successful LN usage in dogfights
+shadowsa2b there was a time when the LN was actually a fairly viable option (mostly when missiles were broken it was in the top 3)... it still is, but much less so since more recent balances.
Yeah I could do it, but look at my name lol. I'm in the process of rebranding my channel, I'll do it then.
Keep in mind i'm not saying its the optimal choice, but if you choose your fights and positioning wisely it has the weapons to get the job done.
what weapons do you use? i usually use badges and bulldogs, but in the ptu im gonna try out those free mass drivers in place of the badgers. its standard m3a/m4a guns are pretty weak...
I use the bulldogs on bottom and the sawbucks on top. Keep in mind I use joystick so its impractical to use gimbals so I use fixed. I think I might be able to fit badgers but I'm not sure.
The idea is to use your repeater as a visual lead for your target, as soon as you get a couple of consecutive shots start shooting your sawbuck and you should be on target.
Soon enough you will get a good feel for the sawbucks target lead, so you could switch to some omniskys with your sawbuck for maximum damage.
I've done a lot of test with loadouts and I found that a repeater with a sawbuck is the best combo for the LN. Its a great combo for a steady stream of lasers(damage) to top it off with a powerful ballistic cannon(major damage) to shred through targets.
Now that the cutlass has been reworked, what is your opinion of it now? As of January 2019? I am excited for the flight model change in 3.5 but I really really like the cutlass now. It's the ship I am flying currently. I haven't had it in combat yet, as I don't attack other players and can never make it to a combat mission in time before it fails so i can't comment on its combat but I absolutely love the ship
+1 general purpose ship.
I sold my Cutlass to get the Sabre. Which is fine as I got LTI on the Sabre heh
im looking to start off and im not sure what to buy for my first ship/s.. i have a $95 USD budget and im not sure which to buy..i was think of getting the avenger but im really not sure :/
On the Super Hornet, could you change out the manned turret and put more guns that the pilot controls?
i think so
i think so
superhornet doesnt have a manned turret its a remote controlled one so if you are piloting you can use it np but if someone is in the 2nd seat they r gonna be controlling it instead, the vanguard has a manned turret
Sovereign XI Yea. The vanguard also has a S5.
Will u be doing updated videos for this series?
Do this video again but updated?
general purpose
@STLYoungblood Why didn't you mention the Constellation Phoenix variant? It's the only non-frigate-sized ship out there that has an automatic point defense turret along with 4 s4 gimbaled weapons, 2 manned turrets, and 4 missile racks. The stats alone suggest it can go toe to toe and pound per pound with the Retaliator.
+Nerd Council Member The phoenix has a lot of versatility and I think it will be proficient in combat. That being said, look where I placed the retaliator in categories, and that was only in bomber. I don't think the retaliator fits the bill of a gunboat. So if I had to place the phoenix into a spot, it would probably have to be in gunboat category, and I don't think that's really it's role. Keep an eye out for the phoenix in the general purpose and dangerous cargo videos though.
STLYoungblood Fair enough. I'm looking forward to more "Picking the Right..." videos.
The cutlass blue isn't better than black it just comes with missiles stock
Nothing on the Herald? I think it will be a real contender.
+STLYoungblood What would you recommend for a Fighter that could Accompany Exploration ships?
Been having a hard time answering that question myself with the limited/non-existant ship range info I have found.
+Dan Carlin It's hard to answer because it's basically speculation at this point. That being said, I think the Vanguard will be outstanding in this role. Long range fighter, more than capable. The only downside with this is it's not the true agile dogfighter. So with that in mind, something like a vanguard with another smaller fighter may make a nice pick. Range dependent of course.
+STLYoungblood yes my thoughts as well, the Vanguard or the 315p with the tractor beam replaced with a gun, but all the same that can change at the drop of a hat much like the Freelancer DUR has....
Latest RTV at 34:00 in, "The Vanguard can be used for exploration" :)
Why arent those ships available all the Time? I would love to get the sabre or the xian scout
Can we please get an update with the new ships and information. Would you still recommend the same ships given what you now know?
how about exploration ships? we hardly seen to see anything about exploration in SC but it could turn out to be a very interesting "career".
As someone who will likely play casually, what is the best general purpose ship?
Nvm... i just saw your video on the side
My problem is that I don't see a fun career as a pirate or just a fighter, I would like bounty hunting in a large ship with friends but I don't see how that would be profitable and everyone is going to do it.
best pirate ship! Me and my buddies plan on going plundering!
I want the Retaliator/Redeemer so badly but i don't have any friends to play the game with. What should i do?
Browse forums join groups etc. Play with some people and multicrew with them and you will for sure by the end have a group of friends to play with.
But but but my phoenix gonna make mince meat of those ships!
please next general purpose ships video ! ;)
+STLYoungblood basely the sabre is more stealthy as the hornet ghost source Aegis Sabre Q&A 1also the hornet ghost is retrofired to be stealth wile the sabre is build as a dedicated stealth in minded love to post the link but apparently you prevent copy and paste of posting links and so
+Edison Trent Yea, someone mentioned that above. I edited out the whole stealth section since I missed that. As far as links, I don't prevent that at all. The only thing I said I didn't want was the referral codes being spammed in the comments. If links are relevant and helpful, I actually encourage them!
Hi, I got a bit confused. My budget is about 100 dollars. What is the best combat ship for that price?
gabriel kappelgaard Bit late but gladius
Josh The Raptor Productions - JTRP I have now bought the bucaneer
gabriel kappelgaard Nice
General
People walking behind you around 9:00 ?
You didn’t mention the Esperia Glaive.
In sc what is the difference between bombs and missles and torpedos
Awesome question! Would like to know that myself
+Chris Harlin I asked the question on reddit and it got answered. Missiles are for ship v ship bombs &/or torpedo's are for taking out large ships and capital ships. Bombs and torpedo's will be much larger.
General purpose next.
How can you even put Gladius in the same category as Sabre?
Sabre is made to go against Super Hornet and meduim to heawy Vanduul ships.
It is dream stealth fighter which should constantly win against anything below Super Hornet.
Vanguard is designed to go against Connies, Freelancers, Retaliators,.. smaller fighters are not going to pose any issues.
basically 1-2 hits from its nose gun and they're gone.
+Robert Ra Because the gladius and Sabre both have characteristics that are similar, at least in regards to being military specific ships with speed and agility in their favor. What makes a ship capable against heavier targets like a super hornet? You can go brawn vs brawn, or you can out maneuver and out speed, and that's where the gladius and sabre should have some similarity.
In regards to the Vanguard, it's weapons will deal great damage to the smaller ships, however, the smaller more nimble ships are hard to fight in a slower larger ship.
• Sabre is stealthy. It has more stealth features and equipment than the ghost.
So it is harder to nottice and harder to lock on.
• It has great weaponry (4x S3)
• It is much better at maneuvering and speed compared to SH (akin to a Gladius)
• It has strong shields and redundancies, unlike SH
• It is the latest prototype tech
• It costs more than the SH
All these points are weighing heavily in the direction that Sabre should have no issue killing Super Hornets and anything below.
This of course is my projection solely based on the above mentioned points and of course logic tied into them.
Just buy one of each... :)
I have the vanguard and all its variants I just wish they'd release it so I can use it lol
Am I wrong or can't you Buy ANY ship with ingame money?
Marvin Rathge Not yet because the actually currency isn't implemented yet. You'll have to wait until you are able to buy every ship in-game.
Arbitrary Connie Andromeda is a space superiority fighter comment.
Does the hornet remind anyone else of a DeLorean? or an X-Wing?
do pirate next
I really, really want the Super Hornet. Any ideas when it will be on sale again?
Right now lol.
+Tim Andrla Awesome! Got it
Chris Harlin Nice man, hope you like it! :)
next pirate ship
Just found you video, and it's a pain to say that the Redeemer is still not available! I need to stop watching this "old-not-so-old" videos...
They make me realize how much we, players, have been expecting from GIC, or how much CIG has not been delivering! >.
Oh the Scythe and the Glaive is missing
+MrEasterrabbit That was actually a conscious decision to leave them out. Glaive is a reproduction and was very limited in the number that were sold, and you had to unlock the badge to get it, and the Scythe is very very rare. I think they have their place, especially as more can earn them in the PU, but for the purpose of this video, It didn't seem right to include.
Why do they feel the need to give EVERY ship weapons? I mean, Why would they design the M50 to have weapons? that would just make the ship heaver even if they weren't equipped. Wasn't it designed for racing? Same with the P52/72. No reason for weapons. Its a cruise/racing ship.
I love your channel bro but that dog in the background is a bit distracting. :)
Eeh, the vanguard doesn't have that much staying power. It's engines are far too exposed, making them easy targets... The bnz manoeuvre would be effective but the level of guns you can place on any of the hornets can chew through large shields quickly, and disabling the engines would be very easy. I'd be sold on the vanguard if the engines weren't two big glowing targets, just waiting to be shot.
General purpose ship please.
but the gladius is the slowest of the fighters :v why you say its fast
Mustang delta has 10 cargo
+Monty the grey Actually the brochure has it at zero. I would go with the brochure over the stats page, but that's hard to say which is really right! My assumption would be no cargo
IT REALLY DOES HAVE CARGO SPACE, IT HOLDS IT THE SAME WAY AS THE AURORA DOES IT, BENEATH. SORRY FOR THE CAPITALS I AM TO LAZY TO RE WRITE IT ALL
With prices like this that's just pure greed.
the boom and zoom.....when will idiots stop thinking that's good? when your coming in at cruise, keep in mind your maneuverability and aim will be really bad and you will be easy to hit for the other ship you are charging. not to mention those fixed weapons on the vanguard wont make it any more easy to get guns on target. only that crappy gat will be able to get on target.
seem you really don´t now what zoom and boom really is...
Pirate
do you know what redundant means....
Yes! But since you appear to be driving that I have it wrong, here you go:
"ENGINEERING
(of a component) not strictly necessary to functioning but included in case of failure in another component."
More than 1 meaning for words...
+STLYoungblood haha, sorry dude I actually watched you q and a where you brought it up a few videos after commenting
pirate
sabre wins
+Kamidake83 Sabre is going to be beast nasty, and I mean that in a good way.