How the Last Two Debtors Relate to Arthur's Backstory (Red Dead Redemption 2)
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Explaining the deep meaning behind the two debtors and how they relate to Arthur's story in Red Dead Redemption 2.
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The first guy's name is John, he ran away from the company to be with his wife and to raise his family.
That is exactly what Arthur wants John to do.
And Mrs. Londonderry's husband is called Arthur. Further hammering home the connection between the debtors and RDR's protagonists.
Thats right, i didnt get that, in both missions Rockstar uses the name of both protagonists to reflect their redemption arcs
@@agustindetlefsen6944 wow..
That's really not deep or impactful. Incredibly on the nose symbolism.
@@vidmasterK1 I dont usually pay attention to NPCs names, dont care because most of the times developers dont do this sort of things.
he even has similar hair to john in rdr1
I always found the scene with Arthur Londenderry to be quite interesting. To find him, Arthur has to go into the "Pit" as in the "Pit of Hell" which Arthur himself says several times is where he is heading. There he meets a man who laughs at him almost as if he was some sort of Satanic character. And finally, after so long wrestling with the two sides of his nature he finally choses to do the right thing and not only forgives the debt but actually gives her money. He then throws Strauss out which is somewhat symbolic of Arthur seeing clearly for really the first time who and what they are and acting on it. As others have said so many times, what an amazing story. Great channel.
Yup
Your point, kind sir?
@@AbeHopwood just expressing how he views the mission, that's all
@@AbeHopwood your point?
@@anton2417 my point is that his point is pointless
No points? 🤨
Basically, nobody cares about the way he views the mission and its just cringe. I'm just saying.
Btw, I know it's kinda harsh, and I'm not a mean person, but in thus particular situation I'm just being honest
"He's called Arthur, like you"
"That's it, I'm done"
“Arthur’s dead” and the way he looked at her for a moment knowing he’s going to die too is very chilling for me.
I feel bad for Arthur every single time. He couldn’t stay with Mary, couldn’t leave the gang, couldn’t even survive. He really deserved a better ending 💔
He murdered and robbed and slaughtered people. Did he deserve a happy end? No!
@@vidmasterK1 you know the game it’s called RD Redemption for a reason right? Of course he did bad things, I’m not saying he was an angel. But in the end he regretted his actions, helped people, and became a better person. So yeah, he deserved better.
Nah man, dude was cold blooded killer/robber for most of his life. As Stannis once said “a single good act does wash out the bad; nor a bad the good.” In the end his redemption was making sure John could live with his family. Which was probably better than he deserved.
Hey
He got the ending that he deserved as tragic as it was. His life caught up to him just as he was reaching that moment of redemption. One that he wasn’t able to live out. He was redeemed in a way.
Another thing to take away from this is that the character & his demise, as far as video games history goes, is going to be one that is remembered. At least for me.
You knew at some point he was going to die while you played him but there was always that hope in the back of your minds that you’d get swerved, RS would let you redeem him and have him grow old on a nice ranch.
But no, we reached the end with him and only we were allowed to continue on.
But we got to see him accept what he was & he knew if he had another life to live, he’d do it differently.
That was the redemption part, for me at least.
Bottom line, it’s a game that makes me remember it.
We need more of those games.
Rockstar got it spot on with single player. A complete masterpiece.
If only rdr2 multiplayer was this good too. but R* had bigger fish to fry. maybe after gta 6 online launches they will give RDR2-online some well deserved attention as well? here's hoping. new heists? finish off the one story mission? lots of promises not kept. RDR2-online deserved a far better fate then what it got. just saying.
Damn... Arthur might just be the single *GREATEST* written and acted character in the medium. This video and all the paralysis it delved into just further cemented that.
Wish in the epilogue they had Mary and John interact so she could get closure and that Arthur died saving him
@@joshcotton4452 well how did she know where his grave is? Somehow, someway she got at least a part of the story. But I never thought about that until your comment...right in the feels
@@mattkrieger3428 I think Charles buried him so there is a chance either he or maybe John told it to her
I’d argue he’s one of the best written and acted characters in all of modern media. I always fuckin cry at the end!
@@joshcotton4452 Agreed. That's one of the missed opportunities in the epilogue imo. If John meets all the special people Arthur knew, why not the woman that meant the most to him who he used her engagement ring. I imagine a hidden encounter unlocked after paying respects to Arthur where you visit Mary, give her closure about Arthur and tell her his grave's location.
I've always felt like Arthur kicked Strauss out for his own good. At least, that's what I'd like to think. By that point Arthur had begun to realize how the gang, how Dutch, had corrupted everyone there. That scene was heart-wrenching (Hell, most of this game is) and I've always felt like Arthur was more angry with himself over letting everything happen more than he was directly at Strauss. Sure, he died in the end, but he died a loyal friend and member of Dutch's gang. Despite everything that happened he didn't rat on any of them...not even Arthur. Again, personal opinions and viewpoints, but I feel like Strauss knew what and why Arthur did what he did.
You're making two different points here at once and explaining only one of them. That Arthur kicked Strauss out for his own good and that Strauss knew why Arthur kicked him out. The latter doesn't make any sense, especially considering when it happens his protesting and even literally asking "what/why are you doing this???"
Also, you missed the point of Strauss' "arc", If it can be called that. Strauss got "redemption" (again, if you can call it that) too by not ratting despite being tortured and even died loyal. The point was that redemption is a funny thing, and can come in many forms but that it always comes with some sort of price.
I agree with this. Strauss definitely didn't want to be kicked out, in fact he explicitly appeals to Arthur as his friend. As for Arthur and Strauss' feeling about the gang's future at that point, I think both knew it was all going to shit but still trying to make the best of it so sure, Arthur may not be directly mad at Strauss as a person, but on Strauss' part, he was probably more hurt that Arthur "ended their friendship" and scapegoated him when he was only doing his part for the gang, just like Arthur and Dutch robbing and killing folk, and throughout the main story he seems to have hardly interacted with Dutch so he might be closer to Arthur within the gang, which is why he could only say to Arthur "You know, they say the sick delude themselves." From personal experience it's real hard to deal with a friend suddenly being so harsh towards you and shaming you in front of everyone else. Strauss not breaking down or getting mad shows his loyalty to Arthur and his confusion that Arthur made him the scapegoat over the other problematic characters in the gang (hence he thinks Arthur is "deluded"). So no, Strauss most likely didn't know what Arthur was doing. On Arthur's part I would also say he wasn't doing this for Strauss' good, he and Hosea mentioned in various parts of the story that no one lasts long out in these parts by themselves, which sadly is exactly what happened to Strauss.
There was a secret interaction where Strauss walks up to Arthur saying he scared and going to run away
Arthur let him and doesn’t care
@@einzelganger6664 Strauss' "redemption" comes, interestingly, from him (who has done everything so far for money and money alone, with no ethics, morals or empathy whatsoever getting in moneys way) taking to his grave all the info he could have regarding his friends, despite torture and (VERY likely) promises of bribery (c'mon, you KNOW they would have offered him money to talk just like they did to Micah) - thus finding things he valued over money and personal well-being,
Has anyone else noticed that Mark Johnson is very similar to John Marston? There are so many similarities between them that he's the only bounty I save from hanging after I turn him in. To me saving him is another example of Arthur showing that it's never too late to do the right thing and redeem yourself. This is a reason why this game is a masterpiece and a true work of art.
Shit, You might be right.
@Tooges Yeah I know thats the point I'm just pointing it out.
if you watch his hanging, the sheriff says that Johnson tried to escape the life and live the rest of his days tending to his family on a ranch. just like John did. only thing is is that we don't see Johnson at a ranch. so it seems like that part the sheriff says is so much more about John Marston
@@dalton5903 the sheriff said Johnson was a farmer. He farmed in the bayou
I don't save him. Man has you bushwhacked.
I think J John Weathers is actually parallel to John Marston...both are named John and Arthur helped both of them to run away with family
it artistically represent both Arthur and Johs life stories. why not
@@shaahinmontazer3571 yeah
That scene where Arthur kicks out strauss is one of the best, so incredibly powerful and the opposite of what strauss said, Arthur's finally free of the delusions. This game will never be equalled.
Your last line is so true
Out of all the people you meet as Arthur, Mrs Lundonberry sticks out in my mind. Such a great part of the story
yes with mee too because arthur said sorry from his heart
@@shashwatmali3640 Her voice actor's delivery on the "You want my boys shoes? You want the food out of our bellies, what little there is? You want me to lie down with you?" is so good it makes me sad
@@zachsmith5877 yep
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This is possibly the greatest video you have ever made Strange Man. The music, the echoed voices, the visuals. You really set the scene and genuinely make your videos move people as they watch. Hats off to you.
isn‘t this also some kind of foreshadowing? john gets to live while arthur died. same as in the main story, where john gets to escape and arthur has to die.
😮😮
John Weathers ran away to live with his family. Same as John Marston ran away to live with his.
For like 11 years after but yeah
@@Diamond_2403 and Arthur dies leaving his wife and son behind, just like John does in RDR1.
I love when Arthur tell to the minor : "you ought to be ashamed of youself" it sounds so right, both anger and sadness resonate in his voice, with a little weakness due to his illness but also his weariness of the cynical world he always lived in.
Bro you impress you took every last detail from the game and analyzed them and the best part it's been 4 years the game was launched. Sorry for my poor English
Your English is great :) I agree with you
Your English is excellent.
Fix yer English
I just finished the epilogue to this game last night after sitting on the whole game for years. This video release had perfect timing in that regard. The creators did an amazing job with all aspects of the storyline and the immersion of the whole game. I felt every emotion and really empathized with the characters. It makes me want a remaster of the first game to the same standard as RDR2.
If you're not playing good honor and all the optional missions, you're not experiencing the True version of the story.
That's true
No, start the game dishonorably then play high honor once you get off guarma, after all it is called Red dead *REDEMPTION*
I personally think all three ways of playing Arthur works, the good honor ending is clearly intended. But the bad honor fits him just as well, people just prefer to see him in a better light.
To be fair, I’ve played the game over 15 times and every single time I’ve ended with good honor and for the first time I am doing the opposite. It’s hard, but I want to experience it differently this time.
I always thought J.John Weathers was a parallel to John because Arthur has to help both of them and their families escape someone who is going to kill them eventually. And Arthur Londonderry is a parallel to Arthur because both of them aren't there while their families are losing everything.
I personally see it as windows into the past and the future for Arthur. The first debtor represents Arthur's past regrets, and shows him what life could have been life if he had left the gang for Mary. Arthur Londonderry represents Arthur's future, and the future of his "family" (the gang). Both Arthurs gave everything they had for their families and it eventually killed them both. Arthur Londonderry's family represent the people that Arthur is going to leave behind, and that mission helps him realize that all he can do at this point is try to make sure the people he loves will be alright without him.
I thought John Weathers was a reference to John marston and how he escaped with Abigail, just like Weathers and his wife, but this also makes sense.
It artistically represent both Arthur and Johs life stories. why not
Both debtors represent Arthur to some degree, but they represent John a whole lot more. John ( the debtor) obviously represents John and his family fleeing the gang where his story starts, while Arthur and his family is very reminiscent of the end of John's story. A mother and son having to get by without the father who has died.
You know the video is good when the music starts right off the bat
Arthur Morgan is the only fictional character whom I can never forget in my entire life and yes I may say I respect him more than real life people he was the perfect man at the end.
This video had me in tears. So did the game, many times. It's so weird how light and almost funny the debt recovery starts out (Lilly Millet, Chick Matthews), but then it goes south quickly (Wróbel, Downes).
i robbed Wróbel blind. lol i even took his horse. hahaha
I did these missions again last night, as well as helping Edith Downes. I know what's coming and it's still going to hit hard. The game is incredible.
Almost 4 years later and still the best possible story to a video game ever
4 years are just few seconds for rockstar
@@dejazO0Ever since 2020, I think 4 years has been a few seconds for all of us.
Arthur's story gut wrenches me every time
Thanks for ripping so many tears of off my eyes, Rockstar. Thank you, Strage Man, for bringing this video. For someone with depression and many reasons to just give up, this game makes me rethink about everything I have lived up to this moment. This video was heart-crushing for me, in a good way, of course. Thank you. I needed that.
What an amazing story of a man, I played this game so many times and every time I was going with high honor arthur.
Those last missions... It still hurts
This video got me crying... wow. I need to replay RDR2. Arthur and his story is one of the best I've ever witnessed in the games I've played.
All your videos really blow me away. The editing, research, time that is all evident you put into these. But this one made me emotional. This game is one you can play over and over again because you get to be a gun slinging outlaw. But theres more. There are emotional connections in the story that we get to make just like when we watch a film. And thats another big reason I come back to it. This video truly does that idea justice. Well done Strange Man
"If we're gonna run away we'd need money..."
Arthur's pocket: 28k moneh, 5x meat, 10x fish, 4x cookie, 20x cigarette, 55x cards, lion's paw and still more..
( my gameplay this scene)
Beyond these parallels, which are undoubtedly interesting and fascinating, I want to say that these scenes always move me a lot. Arthur Morgan is a very successful character and, as I've always thought since playing this game for the first time, Red Dead Redemption II is a masterpiece.
Yes
Excellent video man. Finding more reasons to love this game more than I already do. Something about the scene at 6:35 when the boy runs out and Arthur turns his head the way he does hits me the hardest out of all the other things in this video
Really enjoy ur content, good to see how you're uncovering the hidden reality. Hope you'll reach 1M subs soon.
Now you're going towards the philosophical and emotional part of the game..I love that. Good news!! Cause it seems we can expect more videos like this
“If we wanna run away we need money”
-Arthur Morgan with more than 10000 dollars in his pocket
Yep, that's like having over $300,000 today.
Seeing amazing videos like this, makes me never wanna leave this game behind, never felt a connection like this with a game ever
it's been a while since I've cried to a RDR2 video. This is beautifully made and I've always thought there were something familiar with these deptors, and this video opened it up even more. Thank you!
Arthur Morgan is one of the best written characters in video games. It was a pleasure and an honor to play this game.
The first guy is called John, and also has the same hair as Marston
Man you make a hell of a cinematic type of explanation here.. almost had some tears running
always gets me at Arthurs death scene, so emotional Damagae!
Hey strange man, you have no idea how much I enjoy your videos. You are one of the few people who still uplouds on a game that is in my opinion the best one I've ever played. Graphics and story wise it's just so unique. I really enjoy watching your videos and can't describe how much. Thank you for the amazing videos man. We really appreciate it.
I just finished these missions (this is my first play-through)
Im glad Ive found your channel.
Good job sir
Every video i watch from this channel make this game more deeper and emotional than before, it's just incredible.
Hi Strangeman, just wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed this video. The music in the background is beautiful and fits in really well
That “I’m sorry, ma’am…” line from Arthur hurts.
Beautiful
Everytime I watch cutscenes from this game, I have to cry.
It reached the point where I have to hide it cuz it's getting embarrassing.
Friend on the couch next to me noticing and makes fun of it. Cuz I do it everytime.
I can't with this game I swear.
One moment u scroll through whatever, then I see a red dead video, and 2min later, I start sobbing.
This game is truly something else
Everything.about this channel, stories, investigations, editing, information and fact is nothing short of fucking outstanding.
Truly wonderful work and hope it can continue indefinitely.
"You're too late, Arthur's already dead." Redemption couldn't even save Arthur.
Another banger video
i want to let you know your videos are top quality. even though they are unvoiced, the quality of them is unmatched. Thank you
I also felt Weathers’ name isn’t a coincidence too, being John. It’s a nice quick foreshadowing of Arthur helping a well intended man named John and his wife (pregnant) escape from a no win situation.
Two young families and Johns saved from pursuers while their camp/wagon burns.
God bless this masterpiece of a game 😢
"I'm..."
"Leaving!"
This is such a chad line from Arthur, the fact that there is no delay whatsoever between Strauss starting a sentence and Arthur interrupting him and finishing the sentence is so great.
edits are amazing examples are 1:10 and 3:31. these are the little details that professionals do. keep doing what you're doing
oh my god RDR2 has to be one of if not the most emotional games. Every single character is almost perfect.
paired with the music you put in to these scenes makes them even better.
I always associate the John Weathers mission to John Marston. How Arthur “should have helped him” and when he’s given the chance to actually do it, it’s no longer an option.
Personally, it feels more right to have the John Debt correlate to John, and the Arthur one for Arthur.
Made my eyes leak. better then good work strange man, and Dan deserves more for his writing then he is credited for.
New video? Im ready to watch!
I don't know this is a coincidence but today i play this mission and just after that you up this video , strange man Powers i think
Man i play through the game like what it is.. a game.. but when i watch your videos.. man it feels like it actually occurred in real life and it’s saddening. Gives a different perspective to how i see the game as to when i play it.
I’m sobbing but this is so good omg like the editing and everything and explaining aaa so good but so damn sad too
The story of Arthur Morgan always brings me to tears... Only game I have ever cried just begging for the main character to hold on just a little longer...
Hot damn you make good videos. Whether you're a team of people or an individual. You have a way to pull the emotions right out of a story.
This video was a masterpiece. Made my eyes tear up
I actually think the native woman and thr deserter have a more direct parallel to Arthur helping John and Abigail at the end. He helps them free from a life that is on fire (like the camp at Beavers Creek). Arthur and Mary's relationship and tragedy is his motivation: to give John and Abigail what he cannot have.
Beaver Hollow
How any other content creator on this game “thinks” they compare to the quality of content over a game that’s just that “A game” blows my mind. You do The Best job, while not having to speak a word…this is what I expect from a content creator over a video game. Arthur Morgan can’t be compared to any other protagonist, he is the most beloved character of all time. Thank you for your work and I hope the best to you, for your future.
Strange Man, another very well done video. I actually shed a tear watching it, and that doesn't happen very often.
man that make me cry so bad, as i finished the game 4 time now, this hit me every time tho, nice work!!
Incredible video and editing. Got me choked up again watching it.
I honestly think this here is your best video ever….the editing was superb. Quite an emotional story and you captured it well.
I always love your vids. I'm on my 5th playthrough of the Story Mode. I can never get enough of it
This game is so amazing the story is incredible and complex for me the story is as incredible as the world is beautiful love these videos you make keep up your awesome work
I really love the dramatic touch Strange man gives to this awesome game
Your videos has never disappointed me 💯
It’s easy to see. For J John weathers. You may be able to run but you’ll never run out your past. It’s always there haunting you.
You have the best RDR info and videos bless ya bro.
Dude, I have watched pretty much all of your Red Dead 2 videos and this was by far the best. This was amazing and the editing was incredibly good. The whole video really made me emotional. I don't usually comment on videos but this was insane. Keep up the amazing work.
I can't prevent my tears from falling everytime I see Arthur
Maybe the best yet. Great work.
Thats one of those moments, that proving Dan Houser as great writer in gaming history. Makes me sad knowing he wont gonna make such masterpieces in Rockstar Games anymore...
the feels hit hard in this man.. like damn. this video was really well put together, well done
4 years past yet this game still makes me cry.
That 12 and 3/4 minutes is one of your finest pieces of work, keep it up
I felt that for me the Arthur kicking Strauss out of the gang came from nowhere. But with this it makes sense.
The things you go through in RDR2 is amazing. Tugs at the heart!
I hope his mind was truly at peace then. Aurther Morgan was one hell of a good man. A good man till the end.
The video editing is masterpiece and so is the game for me!
Still brings back so many emotions!.Brilliant channel thank you for your hard work 💕
the editing is so good
keep the good work going and always amaze all of us “mister”
Also ironic, John weather also could represent arthur trying to help john marston to escape from the camp and the pinkertons
I LOVE watching every video of this guy. Play RDR and see the way of they have work to give us a fucking masterpiece is fantastic!! In my opinion, no one in the future will able to do what Dan Houser did in this game.
Incredbile job as always
Good video
It’s not even been out for more than 5 minutes lol
@@Alexq79- he's fast ig
@@Alexq79- well I didn't want to put "first" and Strange Man's content is usually good in my opinion
Yep, it was another good one
Really touched me bro, thanks.