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@@TgamerBio5529 Because a huge-ass tree, loaded with kinetic energy, doesn't care about armor thickness. If there is space behind the armor, the tree will win.
I always thought the AT-ST was a joke seeing it in the movies. But in the Mandalorian they really made people realize how terrifying it was to normal people who didn’t have plot armor or the force.
The Ewok traps would have also been 'organic' more or less so the scanners would have only picked up 'forest'. Above all, the AT-ST was a well balanced vehicle and perfect for the ground troops. It communications were down and an officer was in one, would have good coordination still without orbital scanners.
As someone who frequently uses an ATST in BF2, I think I might know why. That thing can wipe out whole platoons and still have enough firepower to assault an outpost
I have been a frequent AT-ST pilot since BF1 2004 and now in EA SWBF2 and I must say. There’s nothing quite like the feeling of power and control the AT-ST gives you.
I enjoy playing BF1's survival mode, one ATST is not too scary if you can find cover and scurry around it, but one accompanied by troopers or two of them covering each other can be deadly.
Thanks to it's armament, height, mobility and sheer fear-factor the AT-ST is a perfect tool for fighting entrenched infantry and providing effective fire support for imperial infantry in almost any terrain. In an urban environment such as a city or a large military base the AT-ST can also act as an armored, mobile guard tower.
Or perfect if you want it hijacked or destroyed by teddy bears. Why not just use 2-M Hover tanks (Sabre tanks) (yes, they're now canon again) Just as well armed, better armored. And a much smaller target to.
@@Starfleet8555 A hovertank would not be able to move on such terrain. Star Wars hovertanks are mostly suitable for travelling fast on flat terrain. a hovertank would most likely get stuck and hijacked anyway. Hovertanks can't fix badly written scenes.
Walkers are inferior to the helicopter. Replace those stupid legs with a rotor system and you have a weapons platform that is better in every way. It's not like they're too heavy, if they were the ground wouldn't be able to hold their weight.
@@maledwarfwarrior Repulsor engines, not rotors. I do agree with you tho. A nimble repulsorcraft with the armour and weapons of an AT-ST could be an even more effective anti-infantry vehicle. If you also replaced the chin guns with a fast firing medium/heavy blaster cannon on some sort of rotating mount, it would become a perfect anti-guerrilla weapon. Add a shield generator on top and you could even fight low flying starfighters with it.
@@ModeratelyAnnoyed Personally I see no reason not to use rotors. They are cheap, reliable, and extremely easy to replace. Repuslorlift isn't useless, not by a long-shot, but wheels, tracks, and rotors all have their place.
They underestimated the "miniature wookies." These are all good reasons. In the Mandalorian they actually used the AT-ST correctly, with ground support near the legs. On Endor, it was chaos and confusion, very difficult to get into position and all discipline went out the window. Theoretically, the Empire should have cleared the ground as you stated around the generator and there'd be no Ewoks suddenly emerging from the trees, and the height advantage could be used as well as provide a buffer zone and a sort of "no man's land" which could stall the rebels indefinitely or at least until the imperial fleet above destroyed the rebel fleet. Again, this comes down to underestimating the primitive locals whom they probably had little to no resistance from prior to the battle and setup of the shield generator.
@@joshuadunford3171 Well, maybe it dose 'transport scouts' or alternatively, I could see it be a good transport for small things, like technically parts for the moon of Endor that are coming on that shuttle that just arrived but mysteriously didn't show up, yet, no one is out looking for it. I mean the whole moon is basically a military base and a shuttle that was suppose to arrive didn't show up? Did it have a malfunction? Are those inside alright? Or, maybe, are they actually a Rebel infiltration team and instead of dressing up as Imperial personnel, which would have been far quicker and easier then wait for some fleet to arrive, and we're all in danger...... *who knows!?* Because no one went out to find it and the only two scout troopers currently in the field seem to be botanist of some kind. Or it was suppose to be transport of some kind originally but someone in the Imperial weapons development were too damn lazy to remove the 'walker' part and replace it with a 'W' or 'transport'.
Jepop Last I know that’s what I was thinking, one time I failed a starwars quiz because I had to answer “what does ATST stand for ,and I gave that answer
@@ScoutTrooperTK bud, internet has been public since 1993, we've been online talking star wars LOOOONG before youtube was invented. We had these things called chat rooms and forums.
Star Wars Rethink: If the Jedi Order was never founded. Alternatively, Star Wars Rethink: If the Jedi Order never supported/joined the Republic. Also maybe Star Wars Rethink: If Yoda joined the Rebellion (when it got established). What difference would Yoda joining have made?
For the last one, confusion. "Destroy the Death Star, we must." "Uh.....yes, that is the plan Master Yoda." "Thermal exhaust port there is one, turbo lasers there are, the trench you must go into." "Wait.....there is 'one' thermal exhaust port, so there are many- it's in the trench, is that what you're saying or to 'protect ourselves' from the turbo lasers until it's found- You know what, I've heard this about the clones having the same problem with you. Instead of 'using the force' we'll just spend the money to steal the plans instead." "Hum......right you are, weak-" "Just- No- GO! Please just go, I'm sure there is some 'secret youngling' or something you can help train to bring back the Jedi or something, go find and bother them, please. Try to look for them.....Hell, I don't know, on some random farm or something.
@@madisonatteberry9720 You know, one thing I never understood was how is it that Luke Skywalker having the same last name as the famous Jedi Anakin Skywalker, growing up on the same planet, on a farm that Anakin Skywalker's mother spent her last years in, and so on...never, ever got the attention of the Galactic Empire or Vader in particular. Like...how the heck did that never backfire on Obi-wan, Yoda and such with their plan?
@@JediMasterZim That probably could be explained by 'more then one of the same last name' and the fact Anakin was told, Padma and the child were dead. However, 'if' Luke was force sensitive and the Empire was on the look out for it, then them dropping off the child to the Lars was a dick move on Obi-Won's part. "Okay, so this is the son of someone you've literately met only 'once' and only relations you have are through marriage. However, he should be dead.....maybe, I mean I kind of didn't make sure the job was done but that doesn't matter as the self appointed Emperor will be looking for force sensitive people, who are highly unstable with 'God Like' powers that could kill you and only a Jedi knows how to deal with. But if the Empire finds you with this kid, then it's torture and death for you. Okay, I'm going to live in seclusion and far away from that, bye." If I had made Star Wars I would have made it clear that 'Aunt and Uncle' were more 'blood related'. Say, Aunt Beru was Anakin's younger sister. Not 'twins' but a younger sister. Skipping a lot to make it fit with the prequel trilogy, Beru is force sensitive but chose a different path. A smaller sect of force sensitives that are on Tattoine to 'heal' it from the Rekkada or however the Hell you spell that species name. After the Clone wars she left to raise Luke and used her force powers to conceal him, which broke when she died....and when Vader reviled himself too Luke to be his father make the death of Beru more tragic as Vader ordered the death of his sister.....Aw, Hell, why not? And instead at Daga- the place Yoda was at, Beru makes an apparent to revile that.
@@madisonatteberry9720 Alternatively, if you were to rewrite it to make more sense in-universe regarding lore, maybe have Luke originally having had his official last name changed to Lars or something, and when he meets Obi-wan on Tattooine on top of everything else he learns he learns his real name, and THEN afterwards takes on the Skywalker name. It would somewhat help explain why no one ever so much as raised an eyebrow at the last name, kind of like Leia having her last name changed. Speaking of Skywalker children and last names, how the heck did neither Palpatine nor Vader even notice adoptive daughter of Senator and prince consort Bail Organa and Queen Breha of Alderaan, and later Imperial Senator herself, Leia Organa never was noticed to be force sensitive. Like, Palpatine was usually on Coruscant, Leia's main place of work as a senator would have been Coruscant. Leia would have been close-by to Palpatine, how would he not sense it? In fact, in the original pre-Disney Star Wars Legends lore they actually met in person at least once, and Vader was there too, yet neither of them noticed. I don't get it.
When you're capturing an area in battlefront 2 and you hear those walker stomps getting closer, turn the corner and look directly at you. All you can do is run or throw everything you have at it, it takes at least 7 people to take it out IF you all have ion weapons
One thing that might have wound up helping the Ewoks was that because they were so primitive they didn't really understand how dangerous the walkers were. So they were willing to use much more aggressive tactics that would normally be considered batshit crazy to Star Wars vets.
localHazzard I think it’s more likely that these were the only ideas that they could come up with based on the technology they had and the time pressure that they were given to fight against them.
@@coraldiamond1922 Well that and given it was their homeworld and they were pre-spaceflight Ewoks had nowhere go to and they knew it, so the Ewoks were probably desperate and willing to give it their all regardless of whatever casualties they might suffer.
Personally I believe the empires tactics would have been better suited for the clone wars since they were actually fighting a larger war and the republic's tactics might have been better suited for a post-galactic war
Mp I mostly agree. I can’t understand why Empire did not pump out a lot of tie defenders. Yha they cost 4 times more than a tie but they were faster, more nimble, shielded / armor, and fire power than any rebel fighter. If they get destroyed a lot less than costs could be saved anyway. Empire wanted a lot of fighters so a good alternative to regular ties could be a imperial version of vulture droids which cost 2/3 of tie fighters price. Have special ship for these. Overwhelming numbers of droid fighters with powerful manual fighters would be hard to even see in a swarm. Imperial light cruisers(seen in rebels) which protect star destroyers from fighters.
In all honesty the terrain we first saw them in really hurt the perception of the AT-ST. The main tricks that wrecked these robo-chickens on Endor are really hard to do in an urban setting or just in a more industrialized world in general. It's way harder making pit traps through ferrocrete, not to mention figuring out a way to copy the smashing log stunt would require the Star Wars equivalent of MacGyver to pull off in a small city.
They were also pretty scary in Jedi: Fallen Order, although half of the difficulty of fighting them really only came from your own gameplay mechanic limitations rather than the AT-ST just being deadly.
A lot of time ago I read about a self defense system for walkers, very terrifing against primitive/unarmoured enemies : microwawe emitters on the legs, these burned people from inside & cooked the explosives. Naturally the regulars were protected from these mw. And don't forget the plot armor!
If system that works on mechanic that you described was installed it would be far greater risk than it would be beneficial, especially as such weapon would not only cook in short time anyone near said machine, but it would cause collateral injuries and possible casualties to supporting infantry (even if is wearing armour) or civilians (especially problematic on patrols in urbanised area). Another issue is that it would make such vehicle very easily detectable by just observing heat/radio signature, which can lead to being targeted by AT weapons from further away than without such system
At which point before the Empire's fall? Before the first Death Star was destroyed? After that but before Hoth? After Hoth but before Endor? Any one of them would be interesting, though.
The issue with the AT-ST really is its role, not really the craft itself. It's too big and bulky to be a scout, and too lightly armed and armored to be a proper support vehicle. Had it dedicated itself to the latter, say as an escort for AT-AT's or for infantry (essentially a medium tank), would've done better.
An Infantry Fighting vehicle would have greatly benefited the Empire. A vehicle that can provide armored transportation and heavy fire support(typically armed with auto-cannons or low pressure cannons) would work greatly to the benefit of the Empire. While heavy weapons would be overkill and likely counterproductive in an insurgency type setting thanks to excessive collateral damage, something like that would work very well in more conventional combat.
Luis Maiocchi I think that those APCs from rebels with rapid fire turrets would've been perfect transports. Combine that with more armored ATSTs and you've got a good combination.
Good thing Solid Ewok was in contact with AT-STs designer. Also how 3CPO sacraficed himself to destroy the radome. It's been a few years since I've seen ROTJ.
There were-two-versions of the "Original" OT AT-ST. The one we saw in ESB, and the one we saw in ROTJ. The ESB Walker was 'much' cooler looking with its tall legs, longer more narrower head and drive train. The ROTJ Version had squat ugly legs, and a bigger top heavy head. That was also fatter making the AT-ST's profile and face on appearance look less menacing.
The weapons systems were also more advanced than what you'd typically see on most anti-infantry armor systems at the time. The heavy blaster cannons could be overclocked to delivery rapid fire at the minor expense of a slightly shorter overheating time, the grenade launchers fired high explosive impact grenades which were great in urban and trench combat, and the missile launcher fired a semi-active homing missile, which was also effective at dispatching groups of infantry and hostile light to medium armor platforms, and entrenched positions, and even low flying, lightly armored aircraft.
my favorite at st moment in all of the Star Wars movies was when that one just came around the corner in rogue one in the city while everyone was fighting. it was great because it was a short moment, you didn't see it blow everything up.. but when it appeared everyone knew it was time to leave. you could just infer the danger of it without seeing it for very long
That dual AT-ST fight in Jedi Fallen Order really fucked me up on Jedi Grandmaster difficulty. My strategy was to lure one over to where I was, then deflect blasters back into it to kill it, and it worked
They are definitely useful especially on mass, As I use all the walker varieties in Empire at War. The height advantage is a plus as a observation and gun platform. They are vulnerable to heavy fire and whatnot but easily replaced.
Anyone who has played Battlefront knows that the AT-ST is the absolute best anti-infantry vehicle and definitely not bad in an anti-vehicle role. It is absolutely devastating to infantry in almost any environment. I remember using one on Mos Eisley in one of the earlier games and it was a complete slaughter against the rebels when you managed to get it. It's height advantage allowed you to attack the enemy hiding in the narrow alleyways and it's legs could very easily climb on top of the smaller buildings to increase your height advantage! And of course on Mos Eisley there are now other vehicles available, so your only threats are rocket launchers, and the AI are trash with those.
I think the obvious reason here is that the empire never expected ewoks to be a problem for their troopers or their vehicles. The empire clearly thought that the life on endor was primitive enough to not cause any issues for their operation there since they put so much effort into making it a long term occupation on that planet that the thought that ewoks or any other life couldn’t severely put the empires operation at risk. That’s probably also why they didn’t decide to clear the forests around their sites.
To be fair, urban warfare (or any fighting in cramped and closed environments) will always be any vehicle's nightmare (or at least a pain in the back), especially if the enemy had the initiative and surprise on their side.
As much as I'm not a fan of the endless revisions and special editions, I think the AT-ST could save face by adding little details like landmines strapped to the ends of the logs the Ewoks had set up against it, so it's the mines, not the logs, that crush the AT-ST's cheeks. Similarly, have a minefield the AT-ST is going to simply bypass by using it's "toes" to disarm the mines, barely slowing it down. It's halfway through the field when the Ewoks release the logs to overload its balance systems and its head falls square on a mine, blowing it up. This way you have the low-tech solution of a high-tech problem concept that Lucas wanted to convey, while also maintaining the dignity of the AT-ST. In this case, the high tech problem is: How to use Anti-vehicle mines against a walker designed specifically to be mine-proof. It also shows more synergy between the Ewoks and Rebels tactics, as if they had planned it beforehand, with 3PO translating of course.
I think people are underestimating the sheer *mass* of those logs that pancaked the ST's head in ESB. Even one of them could have easily knocked the walker over to begin with.
Anyone else who played the original battlefront1 2004 remembers that the pilot's twin forward blasters had less range than regular infantry classes blasters and the co pilot had 2 side blaster cannons with insane velocity ?
Really it wasn't until chewbacca hijacked one that turned the tide of the battle, up until then they were getting solidly beat. Besides all of your great points, the Ewoks were also used to fighting giants like the Gorax and Boar-wolves both of which are canon.
I don't want to be that nerd but I am that nerd. The chicken walker appeared in the battle of hoth but it was the AT-ST that we saw in the Return of the Jedi they were different walkers. The AT-ST was the upgraded version. Awesome vids keep them coming and again apologies for being that guy...
@@gabemaldonado3802 2 different walkers my friend there were already variants of the AT-AT which was evident in Rogue One. The point I was making is that in Empire Strikes Back the 2 legged walker you see for about 3 seconds of screen time is the original chicken walker but in Return of the Jedi the variant you see there is an AT-ST which was different to the chicken walker. They may look the same but completely different walkers.
AT-ST was indented to be tall to give the high ground over the rebels. But it lost against the ewoks 'cos they knew to climb up the trees and have the high ground over the AT-STs. The power of the high ground makes even the primitive ewoks have the power of the AT-AT or even more.
one of the more sensible weapons the empire had. good for the post empire period to. small armies could field plenty of these to support the troops. and there are heavy variants as well.
The reason that the AT-ST, AT-AT, storm troopers tie-fighters and other machines and assets both ground and space/air based got blown away seemingly so easily was simply Rebel plot armor. If that was taken away then the Empire as whole would have been a much greater threat as a professional military force.
Just a heads up for everyone if you didn't know, you can walk over heroes to kill them with the ATST in Battlefront 2. Really fun to do, I've squished Luke and Yoda over a dozen times.
I think the ATST is a good piece of equipment but I think the empire should have also utilized the clone wars Saber tank as almost all the ATST's weakness's were it's strength and vice versa it was short not as heavily armored and armed but it would be perfect to cover an ATST's weak points while it dealt out the damage
So this is why the AT-ST appeared more often than the AT-AT. Because the Empire has learned one valuable lesson called size doesn't always matter. And here's my Star Wars Rethink: What if instead of having Jedi and Sith, the Force users practiced both sides of the Force ever since the ancient time?
Well, that and it's easier to transport one or even several ATST's than even a single ATAT on account of size and weight. I mean, unless you were to disassemble and reassemble an ATAT whenever you deploy it, you'd have to use a really big transport with just the right dimensions just to transport one of them in a relatively quick and mobile way. Also that would be an interesting rethink scenario.
(without watching the video yet) I feel like in the original trilogy ATSTs were not "feared" as much, they were more of a push over. (Pun half intended)
Or if you are a Wookiee pulling a Tarzan wail swinging from a vine while carrying two Ewoks and commandeer one. Little problem with that also. Also, the chicken walker...Tyrannosaurus rex is related to a modern day chicken. When they were filming Jurassic Park and trying to get the right walk for the T rex, they compared it to a chicken and bingo! Dinosaurs are related to modern-day birds and even evolved into said birds in some situations! I do not see many people making fun of a 47 foot long mouth on legs stomping towards you. So why would you think the AT-ST would be any less terrifying?
It was very powerful. I mean, it could literally vaporize something like an at-st in one double shot. I mean, it's like getting shot by a piece of artilleries. No wonder it mad e pew pew sound... all that power out of such a little stick.
Simple...the armor is great against small-arms fire and even light anti-vehicular weaponry. Two large masses (logs that size are *massive*) slamming it from either side? Not so much. Keep in mind that in medieval days, a mace was a very effective weapon on an armored opponent for similar reasons.
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How dose two logs smash the at-st into crumble up paper when it has thick armour that can withstand blastbolts 🧐
@@TgamerBio5529 Because a huge-ass tree, loaded with kinetic energy, doesn't care about armor thickness.
If there is space behind the armor, the tree will win.
The real important piece of lore here:
The fact that Rebels refer to it as “chicken walkers” confirms that chickens exist in the Star Wars galaxy.
Oh shit
Reminds me of a line from the original novelization for "A New Hope":
*Obi-Wan:* Even a duck must be taught to swim.
*Luke:* What's a duck?
So you're saying some animals from Earth exist from star wars
@@Yeahimman32 I mean, we already know some do. Wolfe literally has a drawing of a wolf on his helmet.
Mmm space KFC 🍗
I always thought the AT-ST was a joke seeing it in the movies. But in the Mandalorian they really made people realize how terrifying it was to normal people who didn’t have plot armor or the force.
Yet it gots no kills with an AOE weapon
Movies: Just trip it
Fallen Order: Hijack it
Battlefront: *RUN*
100% true don't mess with them in battlefront
AT-ST are stupidly op especially if the player knows what there doing
The Ewok traps would have also been 'organic' more or less so the scanners would have only picked up 'forest'.
Above all, the AT-ST was a well balanced vehicle and perfect for the ground troops. It communications were down and an officer was in one, would have good coordination still without orbital scanners.
Dude, they are giraffe size chickens. Who wouldn't be terrified of that?!
question what are chicken like in star war are they docile or something you want to stay away from unless your arm
Yup chicken walkers
I hate how accurate this is
a swolle azz Winnie the Pooh robotic* chicken walkers
@Naxo.
Rebels, Terrorists and basically anyone who doesn't have plot armor.
As someone who frequently uses an ATST in BF2, I think I might know why. That thing can wipe out whole platoons and still have enough firepower to assault an outpost
I have been a frequent AT-ST pilot since BF1 2004 and now in EA SWBF2 and I must say. There’s nothing quite like the feeling of power and control the AT-ST gives you.
I enjoy playing BF1's survival mode, one ATST is not too scary if you can find cover and scurry around it, but one accompanied by troopers or two of them covering each other can be deadly.
The AT-ST is an absolute menace in the BF2 Tatooine map
Still one of the coolest designs in Star Wars.
"Protected by thick armor plating."
ROTJ: "Tree logs go squish"
Myth busters has shown that trap is able to crush armored trucks used for transferring money between banks so it’s totally possible.
Armor plating strong enough to shrug off typical infantry weapons. Ground troups don't normally walk around with weaponized giant trees.
well the armor plating is for “blaster fire” not for tree logs
To be fair those were decent sized trees. Probably a ton each moving quite quickly. Kinetic energy is the ultimate weapon.
*Squish*
Thanks to it's armament, height, mobility and sheer fear-factor the AT-ST is a perfect tool for fighting entrenched infantry and providing effective fire support for imperial infantry in almost any terrain. In an urban environment such as a city or a large military base the AT-ST can also act as an armored, mobile guard tower.
Or perfect if you want it hijacked or destroyed by teddy bears. Why not just use 2-M Hover tanks (Sabre tanks) (yes, they're now canon again) Just as well armed, better armored. And a much smaller target to.
@@Starfleet8555 A hovertank would not be able to move on such terrain. Star Wars hovertanks are mostly suitable for travelling fast on flat terrain. a hovertank would most likely get stuck and hijacked anyway. Hovertanks can't fix badly written scenes.
Walkers are inferior to the helicopter. Replace those stupid legs with a rotor system and you have a weapons platform that is better in every way. It's not like they're too heavy, if they were the ground wouldn't be able to hold their weight.
@@maledwarfwarrior Repulsor engines, not rotors. I do agree with you tho. A nimble repulsorcraft with the armour and weapons of an AT-ST could be an even more effective anti-infantry vehicle. If you also replaced the chin guns with a fast firing medium/heavy blaster cannon on some sort of rotating mount, it would become a perfect anti-guerrilla weapon. Add a shield generator on top and you could even fight low flying starfighters with it.
@@ModeratelyAnnoyed Personally I see no reason not to use rotors. They are cheap, reliable, and extremely easy to replace. Repuslorlift isn't useless, not by a long-shot, but wheels, tracks, and rotors all have their place.
They underestimated the "miniature wookies." These are all good reasons. In the Mandalorian they actually used the AT-ST correctly, with ground support near the legs. On Endor, it was chaos and confusion, very difficult to get into position and all discipline went out the window. Theoretically, the Empire should have cleared the ground as you stated around the generator and there'd be no Ewoks suddenly emerging from the trees, and the height advantage could be used as well as provide a buffer zone and a sort of "no man's land" which could stall the rebels indefinitely or at least until the imperial fleet above destroyed the rebel fleet. Again, this comes down to underestimating the primitive locals whom they probably had little to no resistance from prior to the battle and setup of the shield generator.
A - All
T - Terrain
S - Scout
T - Walker
One of these things does not belong.
daveshn acutely it’s All Terrain Scout Transport, which is dumb because it’s not a transport it only holds a pilot and gunner
@@joshuadunford3171 Well, maybe it dose 'transport scouts' or alternatively, I could see it be a good transport for small things, like technically parts for the moon of Endor that are coming on that shuttle that just arrived but mysteriously didn't show up, yet, no one is out looking for it. I mean the whole moon is basically a military base and a shuttle that was suppose to arrive didn't show up? Did it have a malfunction? Are those inside alright? Or, maybe, are they actually a Rebel infiltration team and instead of dressing up as Imperial personnel, which would have been far quicker and easier then wait for some fleet to arrive, and we're all in danger...... *who knows!?* Because no one went out to find it and the only two scout troopers currently in the field seem to be botanist of some kind.
Or it was suppose to be transport of some kind originally but someone in the Imperial weapons development were too damn lazy to remove the 'walker' part and replace it with a 'W' or 'transport'.
A -All
T - Terrain
S - Scout
T - Tank
Jepop Last I know that’s what I was thinking, one time I failed a starwars quiz because I had to answer “what does ATST stand for ,and I gave that answer
There is a fanon design called the AT-SW which is basically a hybrid of AT-ST and AT-AT.
A - All
T - Terrain
S - Storm
W- Walker
Lore Guy: why people were scared of the AT-ST
Ewoks: ‘yub, yub hold my spear’
Ive been online since the early 90s.....I think you were the first person that has ever spoken Ewok. 🤣😂🤣😂
Your post literally made me LOL!! #EpicPost
Joseph Selser oh why thanks! 😀
@@footguy215 But RUclips was founded in 2011
Scout Trooper TK 3000 no it was founded on 14 February 2005.
@@ScoutTrooperTK bud, internet has been public since 1993, we've been online talking star wars LOOOONG before youtube was invented. We had these things called chat rooms and forums.
Star Wars Rethink: If the Jedi Order was never founded.
Alternatively, Star Wars Rethink: If the Jedi Order never supported/joined the Republic.
Also maybe Star Wars Rethink: If Yoda joined the Rebellion (when it got established). What difference would Yoda joining have made?
For the last one, confusion.
"Destroy the Death Star, we must."
"Uh.....yes, that is the plan Master Yoda."
"Thermal exhaust port there is one, turbo lasers there are, the trench you must go into."
"Wait.....there is 'one' thermal exhaust port, so there are many- it's in the trench, is that what you're saying or to 'protect ourselves' from the turbo lasers until it's found- You know what, I've heard this about the clones having the same problem with you. Instead of 'using the force' we'll just spend the money to steal the plans instead."
"Hum......right you are, weak-"
"Just- No- GO! Please just go, I'm sure there is some 'secret youngling' or something you can help train to bring back the Jedi or something, go find and bother them, please. Try to look for them.....Hell, I don't know, on some random farm or something.
@@madisonatteberry9720 You know, one thing I never understood was how is it that Luke Skywalker having the same last name as the famous Jedi Anakin Skywalker, growing up on the same planet, on a farm that Anakin Skywalker's mother spent her last years in, and so on...never, ever got the attention of the Galactic Empire or Vader in particular. Like...how the heck did that never backfire on Obi-wan, Yoda and such with their plan?
@@JediMasterZim
That probably could be explained by 'more then one of the same last name' and the fact Anakin was told, Padma and the child were dead.
However, 'if' Luke was force sensitive and the Empire was on the look out for it, then them dropping off the child to the Lars was a dick move on Obi-Won's part.
"Okay, so this is the son of someone you've literately met only 'once' and only relations you have are through marriage. However, he should be dead.....maybe, I mean I kind of didn't make sure the job was done but that doesn't matter as the self appointed Emperor will be looking for force sensitive people, who are highly unstable with 'God Like' powers that could kill you and only a Jedi knows how to deal with. But if the Empire finds you with this kid, then it's torture and death for you. Okay, I'm going to live in seclusion and far away from that, bye."
If I had made Star Wars I would have made it clear that 'Aunt and Uncle' were more 'blood related'. Say, Aunt Beru was Anakin's younger sister. Not 'twins' but a younger sister. Skipping a lot to make it fit with the prequel trilogy, Beru is force sensitive but chose a different path. A smaller sect of force sensitives that are on Tattoine to 'heal' it from the Rekkada or however the Hell you spell that species name. After the Clone wars she left to raise Luke and used her force powers to conceal him, which broke when she died....and when Vader reviled himself too Luke to be his father make the death of Beru more tragic as Vader ordered the death of his sister.....Aw, Hell, why not? And instead at Daga- the place Yoda was at, Beru makes an apparent to revile that.
@@madisonatteberry9720 Alternatively, if you were to rewrite it to make more sense in-universe regarding lore, maybe have Luke originally having had his official last name changed to Lars or something, and when he meets Obi-wan on Tattooine on top of everything else he learns he learns his real name, and THEN afterwards takes on the Skywalker name. It would somewhat help explain why no one ever so much as raised an eyebrow at the last name, kind of like Leia having her last name changed.
Speaking of Skywalker children and last names, how the heck did neither Palpatine nor Vader even notice adoptive daughter of Senator and prince consort Bail Organa and Queen Breha of Alderaan, and later Imperial Senator herself, Leia Organa never was noticed to be force sensitive. Like, Palpatine was usually on Coruscant, Leia's main place of work as a senator would have been Coruscant. Leia would have been close-by to Palpatine, how would he not sense it? In fact, in the original pre-Disney Star Wars Legends lore they actually met in person at least once, and Vader was there too, yet neither of them noticed. I don't get it.
@@JediMasterZim Yeah, that didn't make any sense either.
When you're capturing an area in battlefront 2 and you hear those walker stomps getting closer, turn the corner and look directly at you. All you can do is run or throw everything you have at it, it takes at least 7 people to take it out IF you all have ion weapons
The video mentions height advantage, and no one is going to mention the legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi and the High Ground?
YES!!!
If you reverse that
It would be the AT ST having the high ground
Not Obi Wan
"It over rebel i have the high ground"
The imperials has a really epic land vehicle pool. So many great walkers!! My favorite is the AT-DT from Solo
One thing that might have wound up helping the Ewoks was that because they were so primitive they didn't really understand how dangerous the walkers were. So they were willing to use much more aggressive tactics that would normally be considered batshit crazy to Star Wars vets.
localHazzard I think it’s more likely that these were the only ideas that they could come up with based on the technology they had and the time pressure that they were given to fight against them.
@@coraldiamond1922 Well that and given it was their homeworld and they were pre-spaceflight Ewoks had nowhere go to and they knew it, so the Ewoks were probably desperate and willing to give it their all regardless of whatever casualties they might suffer.
There is a reason Endor is often referred to as space Vietnam.
I remember waking screaming “chicken walkers! Chicken walkers!”
Wow, this channel is getting better
Personally I believe the empires tactics would have been better suited for the clone wars since they were actually fighting a larger war and the republic's tactics might have been better suited for a post-galactic war
Mp I mostly agree. I can’t understand why Empire did not pump out a lot of tie defenders. Yha they cost 4 times more than a tie but they were faster, more nimble, shielded / armor, and fire power than any rebel fighter. If they get destroyed a lot less than costs could be saved anyway. Empire wanted a lot of fighters so a good alternative to regular ties could be a imperial version of vulture droids which cost 2/3 of tie fighters price. Have special ship for these. Overwhelming numbers of droid fighters with powerful manual fighters would be hard to even see in a swarm. Imperial light cruisers(seen in rebels) which protect star destroyers from fighters.
Mp Also vulture droids were faster and smaller. I really had a hard time landing hits in Star Wars galaxies
When I played in battlefront (2015) survivor on tatooine and see the AT-ST right behind me from nowhere, that was terrifying .
Really good tactical breakdown, now I have a newfound appreciation for that and don't just consider it bad writing. Good stuff!
The chicken walker can be scare. Great video
Because imagine if metallic big machine with guns walked towards you
Definitely a dangerous vehicle to attack directly. But easy to take down with a rope or chain. Hit it with an explosive or put mines near its path.
Stormtroopers are meant to surround them, keeping you from using a rope or chain. 360 scanners pick up on mines and explosives, not easy to pull off.
Thom not easy but can be done if clever enough
@@neofulcrum5013 you said easy.
Thom if it’s by itself
@@neofulcrum5013 they were never intended to be by themselves and rarely were. You'd rarely have an easy time taking one out.
In all honesty the terrain we first saw them in really hurt the perception of the AT-ST. The main tricks that wrecked these robo-chickens on Endor are really hard to do in an urban setting or just in a more industrialized world in general. It's way harder making pit traps through ferrocrete, not to mention figuring out a way to copy the smashing log stunt would require the Star Wars equivalent of MacGyver to pull off in a small city.
Wait, so it could actually "raptor run"?
They were also pretty scary in Jedi: Fallen Order, although half of the difficulty of fighting them really only came from your own gameplay mechanic limitations rather than the AT-ST just being deadly.
Therapist: tall yoda doesn't exist, he can't hurt you.
Tall yoda: 2:57
A lot of time ago I read about a self defense system for walkers, very terrifing against primitive/unarmoured enemies : microwawe emitters on the legs, these burned people from inside & cooked the explosives. Naturally the regulars were protected from these mw.
And don't forget the plot armor!
If system that works on mechanic that you described was installed it would be far greater risk than it would be beneficial, especially as such weapon would not only cook in short time anyone near said machine, but it would cause collateral injuries and possible casualties to supporting infantry (even if is wearing armour) or civilians (especially problematic on patrols in urbanised area). Another issue is that it would make such vehicle very easily detectable by just observing heat/radio signature, which can lead to being targeted by AT weapons from further away than without such system
All I know is that they could be deadly...
Shadows of the Empire has them be threatening!
Star wars rethink:
What if thrawn had came back from the unknown regions before the end of the Empire?
At which point before the Empire's fall? Before the first Death Star was destroyed? After that but before Hoth? After Hoth but before Endor?
Any one of them would be interesting, though.
The issue with the AT-ST really is its role, not really the craft itself. It's too big and bulky to be a scout, and too lightly armed and armored to be a proper support vehicle. Had it dedicated itself to the latter, say as an escort for AT-AT's or for infantry (essentially a medium tank), would've done better.
An Infantry Fighting vehicle would have greatly benefited the Empire. A vehicle that can provide armored transportation and heavy fire support(typically armed with auto-cannons or low pressure cannons) would work greatly to the benefit of the Empire. While heavy weapons would be overkill and likely counterproductive in an insurgency type setting thanks to excessive collateral damage, something like that would work very well in more conventional combat.
@@MPdude237 A6 Juggernauts would like a word with you.
Luis Maiocchi I think that those APCs from rebels with rapid fire turrets would've been perfect transports. Combine that with more armored ATSTs and you've got a good combination.
@@JakeBaldwin1 those did show up in the Mandolorian. But you are correct
So basically a Star Wars Bradley?
Good thing Solid Ewok was in contact with AT-STs designer. Also how 3CPO sacraficed himself to destroy the radome.
It's been a few years since I've seen ROTJ.
There were-two-versions of the "Original" OT AT-ST. The one we saw in ESB, and the one we saw in ROTJ. The ESB Walker was 'much' cooler looking with its tall legs, longer more narrower head and drive train. The ROTJ Version had squat ugly legs, and a bigger top heavy head. That was also fatter making the AT-ST's profile and face on appearance look less menacing.
I love how star wars makes at-ats and at-sts metal beasts then just a manned vessel. Its scary how that works
The weapons systems were also more advanced than what you'd typically see on most anti-infantry armor systems at the time. The heavy blaster cannons could be overclocked to delivery rapid fire at the minor expense of a slightly shorter overheating time, the grenade launchers fired high explosive impact grenades which were great in urban and trench combat, and the missile launcher fired a semi-active homing missile, which was also effective at dispatching groups of infantry and hostile light to medium armor platforms, and entrenched positions, and even low flying, lightly armored aircraft.
“Perfect for use in a city”
“At a disadvantage on endor because they lost height advantage.”
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my favorite at st moment in all of the Star Wars movies was when that one just came around the corner in rogue one in the city while everyone was fighting. it was great because it was a short moment, you didn't see it blow everything up.. but when it appeared everyone knew it was time to leave. you could just infer the danger of it without seeing it for very long
That dual AT-ST fight in Jedi Fallen Order really fucked me up on Jedi Grandmaster difficulty. My strategy was to lure one over to where I was, then deflect blasters back into it to kill it, and it worked
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They are definitely useful especially on mass, As I use all the walker varieties in Empire at War. The height advantage is a plus as a observation and gun platform. They are vulnerable to heavy fire and whatnot but easily replaced.
Awesome, can you do a vid on the AT-DP?
Absolutely my favorite walker. It’s got a timeless design
Anyone who has played Battlefront knows that the AT-ST is the absolute best anti-infantry vehicle and definitely not bad in an anti-vehicle role. It is absolutely devastating to infantry in almost any environment. I remember using one on Mos Eisley in one of the earlier games and it was a complete slaughter against the rebels when you managed to get it. It's height advantage allowed you to attack the enemy hiding in the narrow alleyways and it's legs could very easily climb on top of the smaller buildings to increase your height advantage! And of course on Mos Eisley there are now other vehicles available, so your only threats are rocket launchers, and the AI are trash with those.
0:35 The Ewoks had the home field advantage, the element of surprise, and went Viet-Cong on the Imperials.
I think the obvious reason here is that the empire never expected ewoks to be a problem for their troopers or their vehicles. The empire clearly thought that the life on endor was primitive enough to not cause any issues for their operation there since they put so much effort into making it a long term occupation on that planet that the thought that ewoks or any other life couldn’t severely put the empires operation at risk. That’s probably also why they didn’t decide to clear the forests around their sites.
To be fair, urban warfare (or any fighting in cramped and closed environments) will always be any vehicle's nightmare (or at least a pain in the back), especially if the enemy had the initiative and surprise on their side.
Imperials: "We got our AT-ST"
Ewoks: "Green Peace, bitch!"
Now I want to see an ATST at full 55 mph
Those things sure look creepy.
As much as I'm not a fan of the endless revisions and special editions, I think the AT-ST could save face by adding little details like landmines strapped to the ends of the logs the Ewoks had set up against it, so it's the mines, not the logs, that crush the AT-ST's cheeks.
Similarly, have a minefield the AT-ST is going to simply bypass by using it's "toes" to disarm the mines, barely slowing it down. It's halfway through the field when the Ewoks release the logs to overload its balance systems and its head falls square on a mine, blowing it up.
This way you have the low-tech solution of a high-tech problem concept that Lucas wanted to convey, while also maintaining the dignity of the AT-ST.
In this case, the high tech problem is: How to use Anti-vehicle mines against a walker designed specifically to be mine-proof. It also shows more synergy between the Ewoks and Rebels tactics, as if they had planned it beforehand, with 3PO translating of course.
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Agreed.
I think people are underestimating the sheer *mass* of those logs that pancaked the ST's head in ESB. Even one of them could have easily knocked the walker over to begin with.
Does anybody know where could I find the art at the beginning of the video? Thanx in advance!
I did wonder about the AT-ST in the Mandalorian. Was it stolen by the raiders or did a faction of the Imperial Remnant sell it to them?
I assumed they got it as an old war relic from a junkyard and modified it similar to the cars in fury road
A repulsor lift would have greatly improved every walker if used to offset mass thus improving balance and mobility.
The snow trooper ATST gunner in the thumbnail is cool as fuck
The AT-M6 walkers are ten times more terrifying. I almost shit myself seeing one walking next me in bf2
I always get creeped out with this walker in Star Wars Battlefront 2015 in survival mode if you know what I mean...
Anyone else who played the original battlefront1 2004 remembers that the pilot's twin forward blasters had less range than regular infantry classes blasters and the co pilot had 2 side blaster cannons with insane velocity ?
Ewoks are just space Viet Cong
Really it wasn't until chewbacca hijacked one that turned the tide of the battle, up until then they were getting solidly beat. Besides all of your great points, the Ewoks were also used to fighting giants like the Gorax and Boar-wolves both of which are canon.
I don't want to be that nerd but I am that nerd.
The chicken walker appeared in the battle of hoth but it was the AT-ST that we saw in the Return of the Jedi they were different walkers.
The AT-ST was the upgraded version.
Awesome vids keep them coming and again apologies for being that guy...
No, in Star Wars rebels the AT-AT were introduced as a newer and superior walker than the AT-ST
@@gabemaldonado3802 2 different walkers my friend there were already variants of the AT-AT which was evident in Rogue One.
The point I was making is that in Empire Strikes Back the 2 legged walker you see for about 3 seconds of screen time is the original chicken walker but in Return of the Jedi the variant you see there is an AT-ST which was different to the chicken walker.
They may look the same but completely different walkers.
Scarred the hell out me as a kid, that's for sure!
Crews likely just laughed at the Ewoks and didnt take them seriously, seeds of their own defeat there...
The AT-ST was never a joke to me because I had Shadows of the Empire on the n64 as a child 😂
Say is the art at 3:04 some concept art or a proper piece with a story??
Propably fan art
Talk about the Old Sith Empire
AT-ST was indented to be tall to give the high ground over the rebels. But it lost against the ewoks 'cos they knew to climb up the trees and have the high ground over the AT-STs. The power of the high ground makes even the primitive ewoks have the power of the AT-AT or even more.
one of the more sensible weapons the empire had. good for the post empire period to. small armies could field plenty of these to support the troops. and there are heavy variants as well.
People who play Battlefront (2015) survival mode understand why this giant metal chicken is scary
I love using this in battlefront 2, you can rack up some kills with this if you know how to use it.
Never underestimate a simple enemy.
I was scared of the at-st from star wars battlefront xbox 1 it scared me so hard that i never wanted to be caught by it in survival in hoth
The reason that the AT-ST, AT-AT, storm troopers tie-fighters and other machines and assets both ground and space/air based got blown away seemingly so easily was
simply Rebel plot armor. If that was taken away then the Empire as whole would have been a much greater threat as a professional military force.
Did look a sight in the bounty hunter tv series
Greetings Kuat Drive yards,I’d like to know how an earth you drive a Walker and why the fans on the back didn’t spin.
i think main reason for the endor failure is the lore not properly being set yet
I was terrified from the AT-ST because of it's face
Just a heads up for everyone if you didn't know, you can walk over heroes to kill them with the ATST in Battlefront 2. Really fun to do, I've squished Luke and Yoda over a dozen times.
If you ever played BF2 you’d be scared of them to
if they had added a turret on the back with a wide firing range I think it would've been more effective in combat.
I'm going after the chicken walker
I love the at-st
better question the starwars galaxy has chickens?
0:01 why does that at-st have the same paint job as the hull a chemira
The one with all the detailing on is the one in the mandalorians tribute to the seven samurai
Red Hood that’s pretty cool
Nice
Leg is a good boi.
Where does he get this art? I wanna know, its amazing.
Fan art from Pinterest.
Anyone who's playing in Star Wars Age of Rebellion knows EXACTLY why it's dangerous
I think the ATST is a good piece of equipment but I think the empire should have also utilized the clone wars Saber tank as almost all the ATST's weakness's were it's strength and vice versa it was short not as heavily armored and armed but it would be perfect to cover an ATST's weak points while it dealt out the damage
So this is why the AT-ST appeared more often than the AT-AT. Because the Empire has learned one valuable lesson called size doesn't always matter.
And here's my Star Wars Rethink: What if instead of having Jedi and Sith, the Force users practiced both sides of the Force ever since the ancient time?
"Once we were brothers in the Force. But from the Hundred-Year Darkness were born the Sith."
Well, that and it's easier to transport one or even several ATST's than even a single ATAT on account of size and weight. I mean, unless you were to disassemble and reassemble an ATAT whenever you deploy it, you'd have to use a really big transport with just the right dimensions just to transport one of them in a relatively quick and mobile way.
Also that would be an interesting rethink scenario.
(without watching the video yet) I feel like in the original trilogy ATSTs were not "feared" as much, they were more of a push over. (Pun half intended)
Height is not a advantage, You get spotted miles away. This is why tanks etc.. are build low to the ground as possible.
Or if you are a Wookiee pulling a Tarzan wail swinging from a vine while carrying two Ewoks and commandeer one. Little problem with that also.
Also, the chicken walker...Tyrannosaurus rex is related to a modern day chicken. When they were filming Jurassic Park and trying to get the right walk for the T rex, they compared it to a chicken and bingo! Dinosaurs are related to modern-day birds and even evolved into said birds in some situations! I do not see many people making fun of a 47 foot long mouth on legs stomping towards you. So why would you think the AT-ST would be any less terrifying?
rw:the only weakness it had was behind its head in the game,but also i fear most the AT AT s
It was very powerful. I mean, it could literally vaporize something like an at-st in one double shot. I mean, it's like getting shot by a piece of artilleries.
No wonder it mad e pew pew sound... all that power out of such a little stick.
Just like with most of the empires vehicles and weapons, when employed correctly they will mess shit up good.
i still wanna know how 2 logs broke broke the heavy armor cab
Simple...the armor is great against small-arms fire and even light anti-vehicular weaponry. Two large masses (logs that size are *massive*) slamming it from either side? Not so much. Keep in mind that in medieval days, a mace was a very effective weapon on an armored opponent for similar reasons.