Pope Innocent III said, "It is necessary to obey a Pope in all things as long as he does not go against the universal customs of the church, but should he go against the universal customs of the church, he need not be followed." He also said that a Pope can be judged for heresy.
Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus! John 3:16 Romans 6:23😊❤
Catholics have so much trust in Jesus that we stay loyal to his established Church unlike people like you who are hypocrites that claim to love him but reject his church. @@christianweatherbroadcasting
@@christianweatherbroadcasting Yes, we all deserve hell, as we are all subject to sin. And the reason we trust in Jesus's oral tradition that birthed the universal (Greek. Katholikos/Catholic) Church which created the Bible is because *we only trust in The Father, The Holy Spirit, and Jesus* Matt 16:18 John 3:16 Romans 6:23 😊❤
Pope Vigilius was supporting heretical Three Chapters and after 6 months, being excommunicated by 5th Ecumenical Council, he repented, admitted his error, condemned mentioned heretical document and was consequently received back into the fold of the Church.
Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus! John 3:16 Romans 6:23❤😊
Pope Vigilius was never excommunicated or deemed a heretic. He was held hostage by Justinian until he ratified the Council, because unless a council is approved by the pope it isn't valid.
I'm a very open minded protestant about to turn 20 and I've found Pints with Aquinas very satisfying! I also love seeing Trent on the channel, as I read a lot of Catholic Answers
Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus! John 3:16 Romans 6:23
Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus! John 3:16 Romans 6:23❤😊❤
I think Catholic channels should stop click baiting with cheap drama. Catholics need to be built up in their faith and drawn closer to Holy Mother Church.
Never have I encounted a Pope, such as Pope Francis, to confuse the faithful as no other Pope has done. The Church is lacking leadership and direction for the faithful: to differentiate between what is good and what is evil. I pray for the Pope but, not his his intentions; rather that he seeks the most holy Will of God.
@@JohnFromAccounting Third pope in my lifetime. He's definitely a heretic. Pagan rituals on the grounds of the Holy See wasn't enough for the faithful to see he's not upholding the tenets of the faith?
I love Trent but I feel like he's dodging the question a bit here. What would the Pope have to do to demonstrate the invalidity of the papacy? Or, more generally, what piece of evidence would have to exist to demonstrate the falsity of Catholicism? These are fair questions. Regarding the first question, I think that if the Pope were to teach a heresy relating to faith or morals ex cathedra as a teaching for all the faithful to accept then that would give the lie to the teaching of papal infallibility. Regarding the second, if we were to unequivocally demonstrate an error or contradiction in Scripture, that would give the lie to the inerrancy of Scripture which would be eonugh for me to seriously doubt the truth of Catholicism.
Disagree this feels like PR exercise gone horribly wrong. Jesus is Head of Catholic Church not this or Any Pope. Men are not infallible only God is. It is already "problematic" for many Catholics. Lot of Confusion caused. And his traditiones custodis document attacks faithful Catholics who want to uphold Catholic tradition that was followed by thousands of our Saints and our Catholic forefathers for almost 2 Millenia. God bless. 🙏
@Sanctus Paulus 1962 The four conditions necessary for a doctrine taught by a pope enjoying the charism of papal infalliblity do not mention any litmus test for whether the Holy Spirit is involved. The four conditions are: 1) The Pope must teach in a public and official way as pastor and doctor of all Christians. 2) He must teach some doctrine of faith or morals. 3) It must be evident that he intends to teach the doctrine in an absolutely final and irrevocable way. And 4) It must be evident that he intends to teach the doctrine in a way that binds the whole Church If the Pope were to teach some doctrine while clearly meeting all four of these requirements then that would disprove papal infalliblity for me. Of course, some Catholics could say that the Holy Spirit is not involved, but that would be an ad hoc response. Clear evidence of the Holy Spirit's involvement is not one of the four criteria for papal infallibility. Further, the response you mention is a bit of a nuclear bomb response, since I could use that objection for absolutely anything any pope or clergy member says. I could even use it for passages of scripture. For any scipture passage I disagree with, I could just claim that the Holy Spirit wasn't guiding the author for that particular writing at the time, and so anything it says during those passages are null and void. But clearly no ordinary person has special insight into the workings of the Holy Spirit like that.
Just coming here after the pope said “all religions are a way to God” -> so he is indeed a heretic, but has not been replaced as Trent said would happen…
Jp2 was kissing it as a gift which he recieved after he just entered iran. The book itself was arbitrary, he kissed it as a sign of respect to the people of the country. He wasnt doing it as an act of apostacy. In real life many sensitivities have to be observed, unlike a youtube comment section
@@a.d1287 kisses a heresy book, bends the knee, while in support of islam spreading in at his door step. Followed by people scrambling to make excuses for him each week. He's the Pope, his concerns should be the church not pleaseing other religions or political groups.
@@hawktondog thats naive of you. The country he visited had a 95% muslim population with a small 5% christian minority. If he did anyth stupid like scream that everyone is infidel, he could easily get himself killed or endanger the lives of the christian minority. He has the pope has a massive responsibility to act properly. In real life, things are different and you need much prudence in the context.
@@a.d1287 Don't vist them then. Better not to vist and discuss a heresy three combined chruch anyway. If you think Christ would do what the pope did, you're lost.
The thing is, those who contradict the faith are immediately opposing God Himself by definition and the Logos which precedes the church's declarations. And even then the church would be those who are in instep with God and the Logos. So anyone, no matter their position, should they contradict absolute truth, as discovered and declared by God's people, would be immediately revealing themselves as opposed to God and not truly the Pope or the authentic church, would they not?
Except we contradict the faith/God everyday by sinning thus no one would qualify to be part of the Church by your definition? I fail to understand your point good sir.
Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus! John 3:16 Romans 6:23
An ecumenical council requires all of the bishops in the world? That's odd, seeing as the first seven "official" ecumenical councils had no Roman bishop present at all.
Mother Seton's girls taught me and they started with the Baltimore Catechism. Our inner city school routinely performed in the 85th percentile and we were Irish, Italian, Chinese, Hispanic, Black, Eastern European in that school. So, based on their excellent absolutely no-nonsense teaching much of the reason I am Catholic, perhaps most of the reason is Mother Seton's girls. More than that, it is perhaps why my children and grandchildren are Catholic as well. God bless those broads.
Pope Victor tried to excommunicate all the churches of Asia because they wanted to celebrate Easter on a different day. In the book of Romans Paul very clearly stated that each man can celebrate days in accordance with their conscience. How was that not heretical what pope Victor tried to do?
There is an implicit argument in much of this, that the only justification for not being Catholic is if we can prove that Catholicism is unChristian. On the contrary, I am quite willing to accept that many Catholics are Christian (every group has “wolves in sheep’s clothing” amongst them). What I don’t see, is a compelling argument that one has to be a Catholic to be Christian, or that Catholicism is the best context in which to live my life in Christ.
The only thing that determines who is and isnt a Christian is whether or not they have been baptised. They could be a saint, or the worst person ever, but they're still a Christian because baptism is an irreversible mark upon the soul.
I think what it comes down to is that Jesus founded the Catholic church. Jesus can never be wrong. People are wrong and human which unfortunately has been brought to light recently
Christ did not found the Catholic church. He founded The Way, the Orthodox Church. Everyone in the world who was a Christian was Orthodox until 1054 when the Great Schism occurred. The Bishop of Rome at that time declared that he was the one true channel of Christ and excommunicated all the other Bishops who didn't agree. That caused the Roman Catholic church to come into existence, while the rest of the eastern world went along as before, Orthodox, with councils of bishops agreeing on doctrine, not one human being. If you will do research, you will find out these are the facts. I didn't know this until I was in my 50's. Most people in the west think the RC church is the original church. It is not. It is a split-off, just as Protestantism is a split-off from the RC. The eastern church (Greek, Russian, Romanian, Serbian, Ethiopian, Coptic, etc.) remained Orthodox
1. So you're saying that [universal] councils trump the Pope. In other word conciliarism 2. That's tu quoque. 'You do it too', whether used to affirm or to reject 3. Then is Pope Francis self-deposed or not? You are not addressing any problematic aspect of the issue, merely dancing around and touching and withdrawing while trying to confuse the other party
Love the channel and podcast Matt 🙌 I really would love to see Br. Sam Gunn on your show. His work really aligns with the messages you are big on (i.e. breaking bad habits/addictions), through the Catholic approach. He even released a workbook on this topic. He is part of St. Paul's Outreach, as Director of Program Resources. You should connect with him!
I think the comparison is ridiculous. It should be what would make a pastor a heretic or unfit for office? and there are thousands of examples where pastors are removed from there position, protestants are very quick to call out heresy and have pastors step down indefinitely, but is seems catholics are very hesitant if at all to condem bishops, priests or the pope.
There's nothing wrong about Pope Francis being so practical and its his right and his choice to merge the practice of faith from others faith but, it's only in the secular point of view,on the other side ,no matter what it's about the faithful who would decide on what path they're trodding its the doctrine of faith that we are concerned about Christ is risen to let us know about our salvation! No other human being can bring us back to everlasting life except God! 🙏💝 Its our gift from him our creator to redeem us from damnation.Christ won't allow things to happen badly if we follow his original teachings not from any whom so called.authorities that betray Jesus Christ,😢.God will speak on our mind what to do.And I believe he will be with us during time of tribulation! God help us,Amen.
The German church together with the majority of catholic bishops will bless homosexual unions and change divine revelation. Pope Francis will declare this apostasy only a small controversy between brothers. If you are not able to deem that heresy nobody is able to help you, and in nobody I include Mary, Peter, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Currently in-between denominations right now. Raised Pentacostal, leaning towards Orthodoxy or Roman(90% sure of the former). I would say what made me reject Protestantism was firstly that I began to agree with Apostolic Succession. And I do personally think the role of the Pope is important, but I disagree in its supremacy and infallibility. My hope is that in my lifetime the church can be unified again so that those of us who struggle with choosing between the two churches will not have to stress about such things(though I don't see any real unification as being likely for a long time if ever, unfortunately).
@@Engineer9921 Hey, I've actually since then chosen to become RC. I have not regretted it since, and my confidence that I've made the right choice has only grown. If you're debating between the two, pick RC. It holds to tradition the most of the two. Most of OCs arguments are completely false or completely ignoring key evidence
Remember to be a catholic you must believe in vatican 1. So, you would have to accept papal supremacy, papal infallibility, and papal indefectability. Also, I recommend you read the Alexandria document from 2023 (which is papal approved) on the primacy and synodality in the 1st millennium and it says that the church was not lead by a supreme/authoritative/monarchal/infallible/indeffectable/roman pontiff but by a more conciliar/decentralized model like what you have in Eastern Orthodoxy. Also read "dictatus papae" on how the pope is above kings and princes and how he is a monarchal leader and not just a spiritual leader for all catholics but a political superpower. You don't find the monarchal pope explained in the Middle Ages (Dictatus Papae) AT ALL in early christianity but you do find the roman bishop having a charism/gift of primacy of honor (or a "first among equals" of the five sees) but not of infallibility and universal supremacy. This is why I am not looking to accept vatican 1 and in general, Catholicism.
To be clear, there is criteria against mere Christianity. If it can be demonstrated that we have no good reason to believe Jesus rose from the dead, then it should not be believed. The issue is, we *do* have good reason. Can the same be said for papal infallibility, though?
"Wow.. this could never happen my guy" Pope kisses quran which denies Jesus Pope let's Tibetans put Buddha idol on altar Pope let's people prostrate to pachimama
The Quran does not deny Jesus. Jesus, according to Islam is returning and considered the greatest prophet. Pachamama can be likened to the Queen of the Universe (Mother Mary) the best way the indigenous people could understand the concept of the Universal Mother. The Pope never put a "Buddha idol" on any altar.
He lost me at the “same thing” remark. Protestants don’t have the same infallible reverence for their pastors as Catholics do for the papacy. If my pastor was saying something heretical and not aligned with scripture you could easily go to another church or call him out (Matthew 18). It has no bearing on your belief in Christianity.
Agreed, he lost me at "Protestants have the same problem." What would falsify Christianity for me as a Protestant? If Jesus was not who He claimed to be. The Apostle Paul said that if Christ was not risen from the dead our faith is in vain. Our faith does not hang on Rome or an infallible pope. Our faith and hope is Solas Christus, in Christ alone.
That begs the question regarding your pastor saying something "not aligned with Scripture" being "by what authority is your interpretation correct?" You'll just choose a Church that agrees with your interpretation, in other words, you're the Pope and you're in charge.
@christsavesreadromans1096 You offer no theological argument only your opinion. Every single Roman Pontiff is chosen by God, for whatever ineffable reasons the Divine Wisdom might have. And every Roman Pontiff has the gifts of immunity from all error when speaking infallibly (Papal Infallibility, Conciliar Infallibility, Ordinary and universal Magisterium, dogmatic facts), and immunity from grave error at all other times, and a never failing faith. A Pope can sin mortally, in his personal life, but in all that concerns the Church he is protected from grave error. Additionally, even in his personal life, he cannot commit apostasy, heresy, or schism, as his faith is never failing. And all this is accomplished by the prevenient grace of God, which no man can resist. By the promise and grace of Christ, each Roman Pontiff is free from grave error, even when teaching non-infallibly, and is absolutely incapable of apostasy, heresy, or schism. But each of the Pope’s critics, even the Cardinals and Bishops individually and in small groups, have no such gifts. They can err to any extent, even to committing schism, heresy, or apostasy. The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly-guided, as He promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (see John 14:25, 16:13). The mere fact that the Church teaches that something definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (see Luke 10:16). Christ appointed Peter, so that we could discern truth from error. This is how Catholics can know in light of the definative teachings of the Church which leaders are leading people astry and which are not and be able to discern he Spirit of Truth from the spirit of error in light of the definative teachings, doctrines and dogmas of the Magisterium. For more than 2,000 years the Catholic Church has never once contradicted itself in its infallibly defined doctrines on faith and morals. This doctrinal consistency is exactly what one would expect if Jesus divinely instituted the Catholic Church. Such constancy of doctrine is unheard of in other religious organizations. Consider the thousands of doctrinal/denominational divisions we have seen in Protestantism in just 500 years. It's just the way it is. Wisdom is vindicated by Her works.
NO ! St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice, lib. II, cap. 30: “Finally, the Holy Fathers teach unanimously not only that heretics are outside of the Church, but also that they are "ipso facto" deprived of all ecclesiastical jurisdiction and dignity.” St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice, II, 30: "A pope who is a manifest heretic automatically (per se) ceases to be pope and head, just as he ceases automatically to be a Christian and a member of the Church. Wherefore, he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the teaching of all the ancient Fathers who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction."
Trent asked what would cause a Protestant to leave protestantism? Nothing because my hope is not in a belief system. I trust in Jesus. I do not wait for the magisterium or Pope etc. to tell me what to believe. Christ is the anchor of my faith not any one group of people and what they do or don't do.
Exactly. If every preacher in the world became a satanist and every church amongst all the denominations in the world shut down, I would still have the Bible and my faith in Christ.
"Christ is the anchor of my faith" cool. So a Christian who supports gay marriage and abortion but puts their trust in Jesus as the anchor of their faith is a Christian too? Got it.
These bad pope debates are getting more and more tiring to watch. Can we please turn the page on this subject. He's here to stay, and no, there won't be a third living pope so let's learn to live with him.
@YAJUN YUAN Samuel had died recently, he may have been in purgatory. The identification did happen though, maybe after Samuel spoke. Somehow everyone is thoughroly convinced Samuel was there The last point ties into the debate of what do "Eloh" and the plural "Elohim" mean. It's used to talk about Yaweh, foreign gods, angels, demons, Moses and some say "departed humans" Thanks for sharing but I think I'll make up my mind after I hear a bit more on all sides about the meaning of the word "Elohim"
When you let one man be the voice of God in your religion, your God will have the voice of that one man. It's one of the basic flaws I see in Catholicism, and one of the reasons I left.
You can't believe in God and limits we have science only applies to us of course you can interpret the bible differently depending on you what made sense 1000 years ago is completely wrong now but the bible has guided us psychologically for thouands of year's
Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus! John 3:16 Romans 6:23😊❤
The Dimonds of Most Holy Family Monastery/vaticancatholic are going to have a field day with this, lol. I think they're dead wrong about religious truth (because I think the Catholic Church is wrong), but this is the exact sort of thing they'd love (and would be easily able) to rip to shreds. Mr. Fradd, you should host Peter Dimond on your show and get his take on why the Catholic Church has been reduced to a remnant, and why identifying with the Vatican II Church is to abandon the traditional Catholic faith. Again, I'm no Dimondite, or a Catholic at all, but when it comes to showing why there's been a break in Catholic teaching, and why Francis cannot be the Pope, they're right on the money. It can't be dodged, out-argued, or avoided.
@@alvinflorantec.gitamondocj3659 Everyone on RUclips besides the famous is someone random. Don't deal in ad hominem attacks. Moreover, it's not even clear what you mean. What is "from" me that you're taking issue with, exactly? I simply made mention of another channel that has dealt with the issues of heretics claiming the Papal office or widely believed to be Popes. I think their logic, from within a Catholic/Christian framework, is airtight. For what it's worth, and to answer your question about my religion, I am a Neoplatonist.
@@alvinflorantec.gitamondocj3659 Sedes consider themselves Catholic. In fact they think they are more Catholic than the Pope. I have to admit that Francis and Benenedict are giving them plenty of ammunition.
There are lots of wonderful people that are Catholics, but the bible says....Isiah 64:6 "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." The Catholic Church teaches works, the oppositie of what the bible teaches, which is faith. Look into the Lucifer telescope on Mt. Grahrm in AZ and the Pope's Audience Hall that is built to look like a serpent head. The Vatican is full of occultic symbols.
The Catholic Church absolutely does not teach a works based salvation. Please get the facts straight. With loving concern. A brother in Christ Jesus.❤✝️🙏
We are saved by the grace God by faith in Him and following is Law. “Faith without works is dead.” “Show me a man with faith but not works.” Many “faith alone” Protestants live by the “faith and works” idea but didn’t even know it. Then there’s some, because “faith alone” is a slippery slope, who continue to live in sin because they truly believe they are once washed, always washed of the judgment of sin. Catholics say otherwise. So does the Bible.
Bit of an odd question, but: why do the popemobiles have bulletproof glass? Does it not strike anyone else as a little strange? The Pope trusts in God's plan for him so much that he needs bulletproof glass? 🤔
Both the "popemobiles" exist and bulletproof glass are there because there was an assassination attempt on the pope in the 1980s. We dont want the pope to die, I think thats pretty reasonable.
Jesus said "Do not put God to the test." So sure, rely on God for protection but also take reasonable steps yourself. Don't forget #JP2 was miraculously saved from an assassin's bullet.
It’s a bit like claiming that trusting God to feed you, means never having to grow food, or even go shopping. In three years of ministry, as far as we know only three of his meals were miraculous, the others all being provided and prepared by humans. We are the body of Christ, and God works through us. Our minds and hands come from Him, so there is no basis for claiming that we are independent, nor is that an argument that God never works without us. Miracles happen, they are just not the normal way that God works.
A good Pope would not fear death because he is a successor to St Peter, who was martyred in Rome. It could be suggested that for a Pope to be a martyr would be the greatest honour.
Christian unity ought be discussed more - we welcome Protestants home to the Church Christ founded... Peter was one of the weakest apostles, it's why Christ named him the rock, and said, "you're it!", to show Christ's decision is the foundation, not the current virtue nor imperfections of His ordained leader... that is why I'd never leave the Church, no matter what dark period it goes through the Powers of Heaven are going to track it down and save it again, as history shows... keep faith! Reforms come. The Church belongs to Christ, not any man. As Joan of Arch said, i believe, when asked "what is the Church?" she replied, basically that is Christ... we do not choose the/a Church, it, He, chooses us. (that's where the Protestant conception of church, i believe, is wrong). With no "one true holy catholic apostolic Church", no hope for unity - hm, let's restore hope for REAL unity, firstly repeating to dear and impressive Protestant brothers & sisters, we love you, welcome home! Our door is wide open, we're broken, troubled, but we've got 'hidden gems' too, small springs everywhere to find where the Living Water flows, and it's not 'our' Church, we are wedded to it in Him, for richer for poorer, for better for worse, unto death do us part.
I’m sorry but you guys are not welcoming to Protestants at all. Most Catholics I know despise Protestants and want nothing to do with them, much less for them to join their church.
Yes! He never shares the gospel and wears a fish hat worshipping the Dagon fish sun god. Then again not just him but most of those who let the papacy, the wealthiest pagan religious organization institution in the world deciding what is truth, playing God on earth. Along with the education
your whole faith tradition was made by a mentally demented priest with daddy issues. Whether or not Catholicism is a heresy is beside the point. Protestantism definitely is. What's pathetic as well as hilarious is that your faith tradition is so laughably disordered, that the only way you can justify your own existence is to call Christ's bride into heresy.
Please do go on, interesting that a heresy becomes the single largest religion in the world (to be fair the second largest is a clear heresy though, namely Islam).
@YAJUN YUAN what? Where do you think all the other denominations ultimately originated from? The answer would be former Catholics who fell into error. Would you rather we use the word apostates?
Poor old Trent. He’ll realise eventually that there is no God, and that Christianity began much like Mormonism, just without the light of hostile analysis recording the details.
Count me in with "poor Trent" I was an atheist for most of my life, but Chirst was a person that changed the whole world for the better without ever lifting a sword, and all of His followers were brutally murdered, I mean Christianity literally brought civilization to the world. Christ must have been God, no regular man could have done what He did. I mean to compare Jesus Christ to Joseph Smith is ridiculous on its face. So don't waste your time trolling my brother, come here to understand what your bothers and sisters believe about our Lord Jesus. Does no-one especially you any good to troll strangers.
@@a.d1287 well you can't deny the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe. That image is the most undeniable miracle I've ever seen, and that to me proves Catholocism without a doubt.
@@jd3jefferson556 I’m not trolling, my friend. All I can do is put myself in the position of believers. Many of them sacrifice a great deal of their lives to religion. If it isn’t true, I would want to know. Your statements about Jesus are false. He didn’t bring civilisation (it already existed); we have no reason to think that more than a few of his immediate followers were murdered; and his life parallels Joseph Smith’s in many respects: ‘divine revelation’, leadership of a cult, magic practices, martyrdom. The Jesus narrative, recorded almost entirely by propagandists for the sect, is full of indications that Jesus was just a man, like other men. Of course, I don’t mean to say that Jesus was a sex pest or necessarily an outright fraud like Smith, just that there are many parallels.
@@a.d1287 The adherents of Sai Baba claim that they’ve experienced lots of miracles too; as do the followers of most religious sects. Do you believe them? Does that mean their beliefs are true?
Pope Innocent III said, "It is necessary to obey a Pope in all things as long as he does not go against the universal customs of the church, but should he go against the universal customs of the church, he need not be followed." He also said that a Pope can be judged for heresy.
Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus!
John 3:16
Romans 6:23😊❤
Catholics have so much trust in Jesus that we stay loyal to his established Church unlike people like you who are hypocrites that claim to love him but reject his church. @@christianweatherbroadcasting
@@christianweatherbroadcasting Yes, we all deserve hell, as we are all subject to sin. And the reason we trust in Jesus's oral tradition that birthed the universal (Greek. Katholikos/Catholic) Church which created the Bible is because *we only trust in The Father, The Holy Spirit, and Jesus*
Matt 16:18
John 3:16
Romans 6:23 😊❤
By a competent authority, which would only be a future Pope
@@christianweatherbroadcasting the Bible teach there is 2 kinds of sin mortal and venual sin
Pope Vigilius was supporting heretical Three Chapters and after 6 months, being excommunicated by 5th Ecumenical Council, he repented, admitted his error, condemned mentioned heretical document and was consequently received back into the fold of the Church.
People need to know things like this. There is a complete misunderstanding of papal infallibility.
Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus!
John 3:16
Romans 6:23❤😊
Pope Vigilius was never excommunicated or deemed a heretic. He was held hostage by Justinian until he ratified the Council, because unless a council is approved by the pope it isn't valid.
I'm a very open minded protestant about to turn 20 and I've found Pints with Aquinas very satisfying! I also love seeing Trent on the channel, as I read a lot of Catholic Answers
Keep watching catholic apologists and reading. Peace of Christ to you.
in all charity, you are toast bro!!!
@@glennlanham6309????
Trent does not represent the people of the Church. He is bad news.
Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus!
John 3:16
Romans 6:23
Of course he can. He’s not God
Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus!
John 3:16
Romans 6:23❤😊❤
I think Catholic channels should stop click baiting with cheap drama. Catholics need to be built up in their faith and drawn closer to Holy Mother Church.
Never have I encounted a Pope, such as Pope Francis, to confuse the faithful as no other Pope has done. The Church is lacking leadership and direction for the faithful: to differentiate between what is good and what is evil. I pray for the Pope but, not his his intentions; rather that he seeks the most holy Will of God.
We don't encounter more than a couple Popes in our lifetime. We're fortunate to not have had Benedict IX around.
@@JohnFromAccounting Third pope in my lifetime. He's definitely a heretic. Pagan rituals on the grounds of the Holy See wasn't enough for the faithful to see he's not upholding the tenets of the faith?
Also don't pray for his intentions rather his conversion
Nobody confuses me as much as right wing Catholics who think they know better than the Pope
Like no other Pope has done? Really? Can you honestly look at all of the Popes we have had and honestly say it's Francis that's the worst?
I love Trent but I feel like he's dodging the question a bit here. What would the Pope have to do to demonstrate the invalidity of the papacy? Or, more generally, what piece of evidence would have to exist to demonstrate the falsity of Catholicism? These are fair questions.
Regarding the first question, I think that if the Pope were to teach a heresy relating to faith or morals ex cathedra as a teaching for all the faithful to accept then that would give the lie to the teaching of papal infallibility.
Regarding the second, if we were to unequivocally demonstrate an error or contradiction in Scripture, that would give the lie to the inerrancy of Scripture which would be eonugh for me to seriously doubt the truth of Catholicism.
Great comment.
The papacy cannot be invalid, but there are many ways a bad Pope has been removed. Popes have been killed, abducted, chased away, etc.
Disagree this feels like PR exercise gone horribly wrong. Jesus is Head of Catholic Church not this or Any Pope. Men are not infallible only God is. It is already "problematic" for many Catholics. Lot of Confusion caused. And his traditiones custodis document attacks faithful Catholics who want to uphold Catholic tradition that was followed by thousands of our Saints and our Catholic forefathers for almost 2 Millenia. God bless. 🙏
@Sanctus Paulus 1962 The four conditions necessary for a doctrine taught by a pope enjoying the charism of papal infalliblity do not mention any litmus test for whether the Holy Spirit is involved. The four conditions are:
1) The Pope must teach in a public and official way as pastor and doctor of all Christians.
2) He must teach some doctrine of faith or morals.
3) It must be evident that he intends to teach the doctrine in an absolutely final and irrevocable way. And
4) It must be evident that he intends to teach the doctrine in a way that binds the whole Church
If the Pope were to teach some doctrine while clearly meeting all four of these requirements then that would disprove papal infalliblity for me.
Of course, some Catholics could say that the Holy Spirit is not involved, but that would be an ad hoc response. Clear evidence of the Holy Spirit's involvement is not one of the four criteria for papal infallibility.
Further, the response you mention is a bit of a nuclear bomb response, since I could use that objection for absolutely anything any pope or clergy member says. I could even use it for passages of scripture. For any scipture passage I disagree with, I could just claim that the Holy Spirit wasn't guiding the author for that particular writing at the time, and so anything it says during those passages are null and void. But clearly no ordinary person has special insight into the workings of the Holy Spirit like that.
There are plenty of contradictions in the Bible, but Christians just hand wave them all away.
Just coming here after the pope said “all religions are a way to God” -> so he is indeed a heretic, but has not been replaced as Trent said would happen…
Kissing a quran and supporting gay marriage sounds like heresy to me.
I agree.
Jp2 was kissing it as a gift which he recieved after he just entered iran. The book itself was arbitrary, he kissed it as a sign of respect to the people of the country. He wasnt doing it as an act of apostacy. In real life many sensitivities have to be observed, unlike a youtube comment section
@@a.d1287 kisses a heresy book, bends the knee, while in support of islam spreading in at his door step. Followed by people scrambling to make excuses for him each week. He's the Pope, his concerns should be the church not pleaseing other religions or political groups.
@@hawktondog thats naive of you. The country he visited had a 95% muslim population with a small 5% christian minority. If he did anyth stupid like scream that everyone is infidel, he could easily get himself killed or endanger the lives of the christian minority. He has the pope has a massive responsibility to act properly. In real life, things are different and you need much prudence in the context.
@@a.d1287 Don't vist them then. Better not to vist and discuss a heresy three combined chruch anyway. If you think Christ would do what the pope did, you're lost.
The thing is, those who contradict the faith are immediately opposing God Himself by definition and the Logos which precedes the church's declarations. And even then the church would be those who are in instep with God and the Logos. So anyone, no matter their position, should they contradict absolute truth, as discovered and declared by God's people, would be immediately revealing themselves as opposed to God and not truly the Pope or the authentic church, would they not?
Except we contradict the faith/God everyday by sinning thus no one would qualify to be part of the Church by your definition? I fail to understand your point good sir.
How did they forget Robert Bellarmine lol
Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus!
John 3:16
Romans 6:23
An ecumenical council requires all of the bishops in the world? That's odd, seeing as the first seven "official" ecumenical councils had no Roman bishop present at all.
I love this comment, lol
Says who?
Mother Seton's girls taught me and they started with the Baltimore Catechism. Our inner city school routinely performed in the 85th percentile and we were Irish, Italian, Chinese, Hispanic, Black, Eastern European in that school. So, based on their excellent absolutely no-nonsense teaching much of the reason I am Catholic, perhaps most of the reason is Mother Seton's girls. More than that, it is perhaps why my children and grandchildren are Catholic as well.
God bless those broads.
Pope Victor tried to excommunicate all the churches of Asia because they wanted to celebrate Easter on a different day. In the book of Romans Paul very clearly stated that each man can celebrate days in accordance with their conscience. How was that not heretical what pope Victor tried to do?
Dude I love Trent Horn! Great apologist👍🏻
love you guys. I can't see any pints though? :)
look up 3rd Chalcedon and Pope Honorius
There is an implicit argument in much of this, that the only justification for not being Catholic is if we can prove that Catholicism is unChristian.
On the contrary, I am quite willing to accept that many Catholics are Christian (every group has “wolves in sheep’s clothing” amongst them). What I don’t see, is a compelling argument that one has to be a Catholic to be Christian, or that Catholicism is the best context in which to live my life in Christ.
Well said
what is unchristian in catholicism? any examples?
The only thing that determines who is and isnt a Christian is whether or not they have been baptised. They could be a saint, or the worst person ever, but they're still a Christian because baptism is an irreversible mark upon the soul.
@@artifexdei3671 praying to saints.
The scriptures do not tell us to do such things.
my friend, read John 6:40 until the end. see if your Church says ANYTHING coherent about it....
I think what it comes down to is that Jesus founded the Catholic church. Jesus can never be wrong. People are wrong and human which unfortunately has been brought to light recently
the church said the papacy can’t error, if it did they lied
Christ did not found the Catholic church. He founded The Way, the Orthodox Church. Everyone in the world who was a Christian was Orthodox until 1054 when the Great Schism occurred. The Bishop of Rome at that time declared that he was the one true channel of Christ and excommunicated all the other Bishops who didn't agree. That caused the Roman Catholic church to come into existence, while the rest of the eastern world went along as before, Orthodox, with councils of bishops agreeing on doctrine, not one human being. If you will do research, you will find out these are the facts. I didn't know this until I was in my 50's. Most people in the west think the RC church is the original church. It is not. It is a split-off, just as Protestantism is a split-off from the RC. The eastern church (Greek, Russian, Romanian, Serbian, Ethiopian, Coptic, etc.) remained Orthodox
400 years late on this discussion lol
Did ya'll notice that Trent Horn never actually gave an answer as to whether or not a Pope can be a heretic?
1. So you're saying that [universal] councils trump the Pope. In other word conciliarism
2. That's tu quoque. 'You do it too', whether used to affirm or to reject
3. Then is Pope Francis self-deposed or not?
You are not addressing any problematic aspect of the issue, merely dancing around and touching and withdrawing while trying to confuse the other party
Love the channel and podcast Matt 🙌 I really would love to see Br. Sam Gunn on your show. His work really aligns with the messages you are big on (i.e. breaking bad habits/addictions), through the Catholic approach. He even released a workbook on this topic. He is part of St. Paul's Outreach, as Director of Program Resources. You should connect with him!
Pope Francis will go down as one of the worst popes. As an Anglican I find him so off putting in considering becoming Catholic
Great thumbnail pic!
I think the comparison is ridiculous. It should be what would make a pastor a heretic or unfit for office? and there are thousands of examples where pastors are removed from there position, protestants are very quick to call out heresy and have pastors step down indefinitely, but is seems catholics are very hesitant if at all to condem bishops, priests or the pope.
Because it seems their loyalty is to the church.
There's nothing wrong about Pope Francis being so practical and its his right and his choice to merge the practice of faith from others faith but, it's only in the secular point of view,on the other side ,no matter what it's about the faithful who would decide on what path they're trodding its the doctrine of faith that we are concerned about Christ is risen to let us know about our salvation! No other human being can bring us back to everlasting life except God! 🙏💝 Its our gift from him our creator to redeem us from damnation.Christ won't allow things to happen badly if we follow his original teachings not from any whom so called.authorities that betray Jesus Christ,😢.God will speak on our mind what to do.And I believe he will be with us during time of tribulation! God help us,Amen.
i loved the end part where the questions got more and more interesting but sad to say Trent has to go to a conference i think.
The German church together with the majority of catholic bishops will bless homosexual unions and change divine revelation. Pope Francis will declare this apostasy only a small controversy between brothers. If you are not able to deem that heresy nobody is able to help you, and in nobody I include Mary, Peter, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Bergoglio doesn’t appear to be catholic can he still be a pope if he started a new religion?
There’s also the option of considering you’re wrong and coming into the one holy Catholic and apostolic Church.
Can a bear poop in the woods?
Pray for Pope Francis, he’s the Pope! Love the show, God bless!
A non catholic cannot be a pope you need to take your head out of your heretical protestant novus ordo sect!
Pray for Catholics who think they are right about everything and think thye know better than the Pope
Currently in-between denominations right now. Raised Pentacostal, leaning towards Orthodoxy or Roman(90% sure of the former). I would say what made me reject Protestantism was firstly that I began to agree with Apostolic Succession. And I do personally think the role of the Pope is important, but I disagree in its supremacy and infallibility. My hope is that in my lifetime the church can be unified again so that those of us who struggle with choosing between the two churches will not have to stress about such things(though I don't see any real unification as being likely for a long time if ever, unfortunately).
@@IsaiahINRI I’m right there with you. It seems like it is easier to get ahold of the RC Other than the OC
@@Engineer9921 Hey, I've actually since then chosen to become RC. I have not regretted it since, and my confidence that I've made the right choice has only grown. If you're debating between the two, pick RC. It holds to tradition the most of the two. Most of OCs arguments are completely false or completely ignoring key evidence
Remember to be a catholic you must believe in vatican 1. So, you would have to accept papal supremacy, papal infallibility, and papal indefectability. Also, I recommend you read the Alexandria document from 2023 (which is papal approved) on the primacy and synodality in the 1st millennium and it says that the church was not lead by a supreme/authoritative/monarchal/infallible/indeffectable/roman pontiff but by a more conciliar/decentralized model like what you have in Eastern Orthodoxy. Also read "dictatus papae" on how the pope is above kings and princes and how he is a monarchal leader and not just a spiritual leader for all catholics but a political superpower. You don't find the monarchal pope explained in the Middle Ages (Dictatus Papae) AT ALL in early christianity but you do find the roman bishop having a charism/gift of primacy of honor (or a "first among equals" of the five sees) but not of infallibility and universal supremacy. This is why I am not looking to accept vatican 1 and in general, Catholicism.
@@allistersmith1967 I have already accepted Catholicism. But thank you for your advice, brother.
@@IsaiahINRI Np, have a blessed rest of your day. Also, have you read the Alexandria document though? Just asking for curiosity.
To be clear, there is criteria against mere Christianity.
If it can be demonstrated that we have no good reason to believe Jesus rose from the dead, then it should not be believed. The issue is, we *do* have good reason.
Can the same be said for papal infallibility, though?
"Wow.. this could never happen my guy"
Pope kisses quran which denies Jesus
Pope let's Tibetans put Buddha idol on altar
Pope let's people prostrate to pachimama
A pope is capable of sinning on a personal level
@@pepecore9295there’s sin and then there’s complete and total heresy while being the supposed vicar
@@DG-ee9hiheresy is belief, not action.
The Quran does not deny Jesus. Jesus, according to Islam is returning and considered the greatest prophet. Pachamama can be likened to the Queen of the Universe (Mother Mary) the best way the indigenous people could understand the concept of the Universal Mother. The Pope never put a "Buddha idol" on any altar.
An "ecumenical council" promulgates a teaching that is i direct contradiction to the teaching of the church.
Did the Pope say that through Jesus' veins ran pagan blood??
I would say taking part of other religions should get you excommunicated/ not be the pope anymore
He lost me at the “same thing” remark. Protestants don’t have the same infallible reverence for their pastors as Catholics do for the papacy. If my pastor was saying something heretical and not aligned with scripture you could easily go to another church or call him out (Matthew 18). It has no bearing on your belief in Christianity.
Agreed, he lost me at "Protestants have the same problem." What would falsify Christianity for me as a Protestant? If Jesus was not who He claimed to be. The Apostle Paul said that if Christ was not risen from the dead our faith is in vain. Our faith does not hang on Rome or an infallible pope. Our faith and hope is Solas Christus, in Christ alone.
I believe the analogous question he offers at 2:17 is "what would falsify Protestantism?'
Protestantism is heresy my friend
That begs the question regarding your pastor saying something "not aligned with Scripture" being "by what authority is your interpretation correct?" You'll just choose a Church that agrees with your interpretation, in other words, you're the Pope and you're in charge.
@@deusvult2302you think it's heresy we think Catholicism as a cult😂😂
Hmm. Almost like as long as men are in the church, giving the ultimate authority to the church is a bad idea. Much respect to my Catholic brothers
YES....A POPE CAN.
No, it would be an automatic termination of Office or the Chair without any official declaration or ceremony, simply immediate and instantaneous.
@christsavesreadromans1096 You offer no theological argument only your opinion.
Every single Roman Pontiff is chosen by God, for whatever ineffable reasons the Divine Wisdom might have. And every Roman Pontiff has the gifts of immunity from all error when speaking infallibly (Papal Infallibility, Conciliar Infallibility, Ordinary and universal Magisterium, dogmatic facts), and immunity from grave error at all other times, and a never failing faith. A Pope can sin mortally, in his personal life, but in all that concerns the Church he is protected from grave error. Additionally, even in his personal life, he cannot commit apostasy, heresy, or schism, as his faith is never failing. And all this is accomplished by the prevenient grace of God, which no man can resist.
By the promise and grace of Christ, each Roman Pontiff is free from grave error, even when teaching non-infallibly, and is absolutely incapable of apostasy, heresy, or schism. But each of the Pope’s critics, even the Cardinals and Bishops individually and in small groups, have no such gifts. They can err to any extent, even to committing schism, heresy, or apostasy.
The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly-guided, as He promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (see John 14:25, 16:13).
The mere fact that the Church teaches that something definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (see Luke 10:16).
Christ appointed Peter, so that we could discern truth from error.
This is how Catholics can know
in light of the definative teachings of the Church which leaders are leading people astry and which are not and be able to discern he Spirit of Truth from the spirit of error in light of the definative teachings, doctrines and dogmas of the Magisterium.
For more than 2,000 years the Catholic Church has never once contradicted itself in its infallibly defined doctrines on faith and morals.
This doctrinal consistency is exactly what one would expect if Jesus divinely instituted the Catholic Church.
Such constancy of doctrine is unheard of in other religious organizations. Consider the thousands of doctrinal/denominational divisions we have seen in Protestantism in just 500 years.
It's just the way it is.
Wisdom is vindicated by Her works.
0:48 All your Vatican II "Popes" (antipopes - I should say) reversed much traditionalist beliefs.
V2 and the pope DID that on ecumenism and religious Liberty though. That’s been the sspx point for 50 years
SSPX thinks anyone can ordain their own bishop. That's been the sspx point for 50 years
I came to this video fully expecting to tear into it - but this was good...
The pope did just that...waiting for Trents defense or non defense
NO !
St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice, lib. II, cap. 30: “Finally, the Holy Fathers teach unanimously not only that heretics are outside of the Church, but also that they are "ipso facto" deprived of all ecclesiastical jurisdiction and dignity.”
St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice, II, 30:
"A pope who is a manifest heretic automatically (per se) ceases to be pope and head, just as he ceases automatically to be a Christian and a member of the Church. Wherefore, he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the teaching of all the ancient Fathers who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction."
Yes and he is. ☦
Yes, he is, so do you.
A: Yes
Yes, and there have been many. Catholics will never stop coping about it.
It’s Bellarmine
the whole roman catholic church is heresy
Trent asked what would cause a Protestant to leave protestantism? Nothing because my hope is not in a belief system. I trust in Jesus. I do not wait for the magisterium or Pope etc. to tell
me what to believe. Christ is the anchor of my faith not any one group of people and what they do or don't do.
Exactly. If every preacher in the world became a satanist and every church amongst all the denominations in the world shut down, I would still have the Bible and my faith in Christ.
@@countryboyredwell it’s a good thing that will never happen bc the gates of hell will never prevail against Christ’s church!
@@PaxChristi7 I agree. The gates of hell will never prevail against the Orthodox Church! ☦️
"Christ is the anchor of my faith" cool. So a Christian who supports gay marriage and abortion but puts their trust in Jesus as the anchor of their faith is a Christian too? Got it.
Uh...., if he does something obviously heretical?
Speaking of papal heresy…
These bad pope debates are getting more and more tiring to watch. Can we please turn the page on this subject. He's here to stay, and no, there won't be a third living pope so let's learn to live with him.
There’s also the option of considering you’re wrong and coming into the one holy Catholic and apostolic Church.
This is objectively not good. Do Matt or the other guy think this is even approaching a satisfactory answer?
Pope John XXII held an heretical view on the beatific vision.
Heretical yes, retroactively, but the Church at that time had not formally defined the theology on that one until after John XXII's time
@YAJUN YUAN
No
@YAJUN YUAN If you're unconscious until you're risen, how could Samuel speak with Saul in 1 Samuel 28:15?
@YAJUN YUAN Ok sure, I don't have a strong opinion about the topic of mediums, I'm interested to know more
@YAJUN YUAN Samuel had died recently, he may have been in purgatory.
The identification did happen though, maybe after Samuel spoke. Somehow everyone is thoughroly convinced Samuel was there
The last point ties into the debate of what do "Eloh" and the plural "Elohim" mean. It's used to talk about Yaweh, foreign gods, angels, demons, Moses and some say "departed humans"
Thanks for sharing but I think I'll make up my mind after I hear a bit more on all sides about the meaning of the word "Elohim"
When you let one man be the voice of God in your religion, your God will have the voice of that one man. It's one of the basic flaws I see in Catholicism, and one of the reasons I left.
That's not a flaw, because your initial premise is false
How can you be so wrong on so many levels at the same time? Huh, maybe it's a heretic thing.
Aren't you Catholics more concerned of one world religion and new world order your popes are pointing and leading to ?
Tookwokay
You can't believe in God and limits we have science only applies to us of course you can interpret the bible differently depending on you what made sense 1000 years ago is completely wrong now but the bible has guided us psychologically for thouands of year's
Jesus is the only way. We have all sinned and deserve Hell. Sins that may seem small in our eyes are big in God's and are worthy of Hell, such as lying lusting and stealing. But if we repent and trust only in Jesus, he is faithful and will save us from Hell and give us eternal life in Heaven. Trust in Jesus!
John 3:16
Romans 6:23😊❤
The Dimonds of Most Holy Family Monastery/vaticancatholic are going to have a field day with this, lol. I think they're dead wrong about religious truth (because I think the Catholic Church is wrong), but this is the exact sort of thing they'd love (and would be easily able) to rip to shreds. Mr. Fradd, you should host Peter Dimond on your show and get his take on why the Catholic Church has been reduced to a remnant, and why identifying with the Vatican II Church is to abandon the traditional Catholic faith. Again, I'm no Dimondite, or a Catholic at all, but when it comes to showing why there's been a break in Catholic teaching, and why Francis cannot be the Pope, they're right on the money. It can't be dodged, out-argued, or avoided.
Oh really? From some random guy named "liquid oxygen" on RUclips. What are you? Some kind of sedevacantist?
@@alvinflorantec.gitamondocj3659 Everyone on RUclips besides the famous is someone random. Don't deal in ad hominem attacks. Moreover, it's not even clear what you mean. What is "from" me that you're taking issue with, exactly? I simply made mention of another channel that has dealt with the issues of heretics claiming the Papal office or widely believed to be Popes. I think their logic, from within a Catholic/Christian framework, is airtight.
For what it's worth, and to answer your question about my religion, I am a Neoplatonist.
@@alvinflorantec.gitamondocj3659 Sedes consider themselves Catholic. In fact they think they are more Catholic than the Pope. I have to admit that Francis and Benenedict are giving them plenty of ammunition.
He is a terrible Pope i pray for his conversion to the faith
Saint Robert Bellarmine is the saint Trent was thinking of.
Pope Francis has inspired and elevated my faith in Jesus Christ.
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@@DG-ee9hi Merry Christmas!
There are lots of wonderful people that are Catholics, but the bible says....Isiah 64:6 "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."
The Catholic Church teaches works, the oppositie of what the bible teaches, which is faith.
Look into the Lucifer telescope on Mt. Grahrm in AZ and the Pope's Audience Hall that is built to look like a serpent head. The Vatican is full of occultic symbols.
The Catholic Church absolutely does not teach a works based salvation. Please get the facts straight. With loving concern. A brother in Christ Jesus.❤✝️🙏
We are saved by the grace God by faith in Him and following is Law. “Faith without works is dead.” “Show me a man with faith but not works.” Many “faith alone” Protestants live by the “faith and works” idea but didn’t even know it. Then there’s some, because “faith alone” is a slippery slope, who continue to live in sin because they truly believe they are once washed, always washed of the judgment of sin. Catholics say otherwise. So does the Bible.
Bit of an odd question, but: why do the popemobiles have bulletproof glass? Does it not strike anyone else as a little strange?
The Pope trusts in God's plan for him so much that he needs bulletproof glass? 🤔
Both the "popemobiles" exist and bulletproof glass are there because there was an assassination attempt on the pope in the 1980s. We dont want the pope to die, I think thats pretty reasonable.
Jesus said "Do not put God to the test." So sure, rely on God for protection but also take reasonable steps yourself. Don't forget #JP2 was miraculously saved from an assassin's bullet.
It’s a bit like claiming that trusting God to feed you, means never having to grow food, or even go shopping. In three years of ministry, as far as we know only three of his meals were miraculous, the others all being provided and prepared by humans.
We are the body of Christ, and God works through us. Our minds and hands come from Him, so there is no basis for claiming that we are independent, nor is that an argument that God never works without us. Miracles happen, they are just not the normal way that God works.
Do you wear a seatbelt? Or does that mean you don’t trust in God’s plan?
A good Pope would not fear death because he is a successor to St Peter, who was martyred in Rome. It could be suggested that for a Pope to be a martyr would be the greatest honour.
Christian unity ought be discussed more - we welcome Protestants home to the Church Christ founded... Peter was one of the weakest apostles, it's why Christ named him the rock, and said, "you're it!", to show Christ's decision is the foundation, not the current virtue nor imperfections of His ordained leader... that is why I'd never leave the Church, no matter what dark period it goes through the Powers of Heaven are going to track it down and save it again, as history shows... keep faith! Reforms come. The Church belongs to Christ, not any man. As Joan of Arch said, i believe, when asked "what is the Church?" she replied, basically that is Christ... we do not choose the/a Church, it, He, chooses us. (that's where the Protestant conception of church, i believe, is wrong). With no "one true holy catholic apostolic Church", no hope for unity - hm, let's restore hope for REAL unity, firstly repeating to dear and impressive Protestant brothers & sisters, we love you, welcome home! Our door is wide open, we're broken, troubled, but we've got 'hidden gems' too, small springs everywhere to find where the Living Water flows, and it's not 'our' Church, we are wedded to it in Him, for richer for poorer, for better for worse, unto death do us part.
I’m sorry but you guys are not welcoming to Protestants at all. Most Catholics I know despise Protestants and want nothing to do with them, much less for them to join their church.
So much politics. Let Jesus authority continue to reign. Denounce POPE.
Yes! He never shares the gospel and wears a fish hat worshipping the Dagon fish sun god. Then again not just him but most of those who let the papacy, the wealthiest pagan religious organization institution in the world deciding what is truth, playing God on earth. Along with the education
I think its best to show respect and not criticize the pope.
Well
Catholicism in it's entirety is a heresy. Not the oldest one, but the most successful so far
your whole faith tradition was made by a mentally demented priest with daddy issues. Whether or not Catholicism is a heresy is beside the point. Protestantism definitely is. What's pathetic as well as hilarious is that your faith tradition is so laughably disordered, that the only way you can justify your own existence is to call Christ's bride into heresy.
Heresy is defined as being in contradiction to the dogmas of the Catholic Church. Your protestant theology is incoherent and self serving.
Please do go on, interesting that a heresy becomes the single largest religion in the world (to be fair the second largest is a clear heresy though, namely Islam).
@YAJUN YUAN what? Where do you think all the other denominations ultimately originated from? The answer would be former Catholics who fell into error. Would you rather we use the word apostates?
@YAJUN YUAN Then that means that the gates hell prevailed over the Church of Christ. That's blasphemy
Poor old Trent. He’ll realise eventually that there is no God, and that Christianity began much like Mormonism, just without the light of hostile analysis recording the details.
Count me in with "poor Trent" I was an atheist for most of my life, but Chirst was a person that changed the whole world for the better without ever lifting a sword, and all of His followers were brutally murdered, I mean Christianity literally brought civilization to the world. Christ must have been God, no regular man could have done what He did. I mean to compare Jesus Christ to Joseph Smith is ridiculous on its face.
So don't waste your time trolling my brother, come here to understand what your bothers and sisters believe about our Lord Jesus. Does no-one especially you any good to troll strangers.
Ive had many miracles happen to me and experiences with the spiritual realm that allow me to know that catholcism is true and that god is def real.
@@a.d1287 well you can't deny the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe. That image is the most undeniable miracle I've ever seen, and that to me proves Catholocism without a doubt.
@@jd3jefferson556 I’m not trolling, my friend. All I can do is put myself in the position of believers. Many of them sacrifice a great deal of their lives to religion. If it isn’t true, I would want to know. Your statements about Jesus are false. He didn’t bring civilisation (it already existed); we have no reason to think that more than a few of his immediate followers were murdered; and his life parallels Joseph Smith’s in many respects: ‘divine revelation’, leadership of a cult, magic practices, martyrdom. The Jesus narrative, recorded almost entirely by propagandists for the sect, is full of indications that Jesus was just a man, like other men. Of course, I don’t mean to say that Jesus was a sex pest or necessarily an outright fraud like Smith, just that there are many parallels.
@@a.d1287 The adherents of Sai Baba claim that they’ve experienced lots of miracles too; as do the followers of most religious sects. Do you believe them? Does that mean their beliefs are true?