Hip-Hop’s Fake Voice Problem
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- Theres no question that music today is saturated, anyone and everyone has access to passable levels of recording software, and musical talent isn't as rare as you would guess. In this scene, specifically in Hip-hop voice manipulation has become a crucial tool for artists seeking to stand out. It's not just about what you say, but how you say it. Unique voices like Ian, Lazerdim700, Skaiwater, Lil Yachty, Playboi Carti and 4batz use vocal effects, fake voices, or even modify their original voice to create distinctive sounds that capture listeners' attention. This technique provides a fresh listening experience and helps new artists break through the noise. However, excessive reliance on vocal effects may lead to a loss of authenticity and making it impossible to replicate outside of the studio. This tactic is a double-edged sword, but what does it mean for hip hop's future?.
0:00 Introduction
:35 Short history lesson
1:20 The Start of a shift
4:00 Slight comparisons
6:16 Skill & Shock does exist still
7:43 Its not what you say anymore
8:30 What do you think?
What ppl fail to realize is that creating something that people want to hear is a talent in itself
Not even let me tell you what’s the real talent
The real talent lies in creating something that you enjoy. Give some people studio time, best engineers and they couldn’t make something that would make them smile
@@dfredankey uh thats cap because the first songs i ever made were garbage but i liked them simply becasue it was me
@@dfredankeyman if you don’t get yo lil goofy ass on 😂 tf you think this a beauty pageant 😭😭😭
@@nepnuvcuz musics subjective and it’s about emotion ur first songs filled with emotion that fits you
That Jace clip is hilarious, and perfectly proves your point, but he has a generational gift. More people should watch him make music live. He operates his software effortlessly, and understands sounds perfectly
Real talk
fr
Fr mf better out some respek o n Jace
lifestyle in 2014 was a big turning point, nobody knew what thug and rich homie were saying cus of how they sounded and a lot of people didn’t like it. Then lil uzi and more in 2016 and then carti blowing up more in 2017 and he’s consistently had a different sound and has continued to get bigger and now majority of these artists have to have this “interesting voice”
Ad don’t forget that guy who literally autotune his baby voice😂 bro blew up off of that shit
Who didn’t like it ? I loved it lifestyle is a legendary song. Even tho we didn’t know what they said we FELT IT. that’s all that matters not the lyrics
What is "making it" exactly? Fame? Awareness? Actual career success? These kids seem just as obsessed over the vapid empty things as hip hop artists of the past. The difference is now they can blow up off of social media without a major. Making legitimate tracks on an iphone. Theres definitely some real artists coming up too but just like concious rappers of the past if they aren't generating controversy or fulfilling the pop formula they get buried in the noise.
Making it means being able to live off your music, and being able to focus solely on it instead of working a job
It’s these kids they are worshipping these music artist. Every recent music artist that blew are trash. They just glaze them base off how they look and their character no more skill nowadays
Idk but I want it
@@otsutsuki.7714ok unc
Like fr give me my flowers at least I freestyle ever song I do and when I say freestyle I mean freestyle not write my thoughts, SPEAK my thoughts
In my opinion some of the modern stuff is borderline "avant-garde" type territory. Everything new is a reaction to something preceding it. I don't think someone like 645AR would exist without carti, wayne, and thug. A vibe is a vibe. If they're doing it right kids these days are rockin autotune like jimi hendrix did distortion. Interesting inflections and nuances.
@@DeathTrapProductions spot on
What tf does 645AR has to do with anything this video talks about. If it weren’t for thug then it won’t be no carti. When carti first started he used his real voice but added baby voice adlibs or high pitched some times. Just how thug was when he first started. The problem is these days these kids are worshipping these rappers like these rappers even know they exist. We should be supporting our families and worshipping god. Carti music fckn sucks everyone who listen to him glazes his character not his music
bro gave the long format version of inspiration
@@otsutsuki.7714everything cause he pitches up his voice, what bro didn’t touch on is how their careers usually lack longevity cause they don’t have talent n it’s mainly for attention
@@shrigga3696 645ar is a unknown rapper who likely made that song as a joke. Carti stole young thug whole style and flow. Thug was the first to use high pitched adlibs and make weird noises. Young thug music career is wayyy better than carti. Carti fan base is just a lot of kids glazing him it’s a weird form of worship
This generation entered a rap era where everyone & all the beats sounds the same and when that sound is over so are the artists that was popular with that sound think about it 🤔
Facts
@@joshuaB.Nicholas big factz 💯
I hope you kno There’s people that use different sounds
@saint1200 where is all this innovation your talking about are we listening to the same music all this stuff sounds the same
@@saint1200exactly there's so many unique artists but mfs listen to the same bubble n say everything sounds the same
thats always been an issue with hip hop or any art form. they dont want their art to die but at the same time they dont want change either. evolve or die.
Did Yachty dirty... he one of the people putting in the most work on being unique sonically, almost to where his voice is an afterthought
I think he was talking more about the beginning of his career when he blew up
Yatchy is putting in work ig I couldn’t say it’s bad right but he sucks
Nah@@Draqoraq
nah x6vision is
@@x6vision 🤣🤣
The lyrics in the music is what makes the song timeless. The new era music not gonna age as well once the production is outdated
People were saying that about the music coming out a decade ago, but IMO a lot of the music coming out in that pre-SoundCloud era (2010-2014) still hits as good as it did back then, sometimes even better. Of course, we get the advantage of cherry picking the best songs. When you’re listening to the music of Now, whenever Now may be, you’re forced to sift through everything coming out, and it’s easy to get fatigued consuming that much content
Wrong. Uzi, Carti,21,Kodak,X,Juice and Yachty music lasted and still can be played till this day
@@dae1396 time flies bro that was almost 10 years ago, I was talking about the tik tok era 2020 till now
@@oxproductions2563its the same thing tho ??
@@oxproductions2563 but ppl were saying that about the music coming out in 2016, and in 2011, and in 2007, and on and on. I'm sure if you go back far enough you'd find people claiming this whole "music" thing is a fad. "In a few years time these rhythmic thumps, bump, and grunts will be little more than a source of embarrassment for the now-grown youth," this straw-proto-man would confidently proclaim, taking the award for "wrongest person in history" with them to the afterlife, cuz no way anybody taking that away from them.
The point is, every generation reaches a stage where they're old enough that they no longer know what's "cool" anymore, yet still young enough to live in denial about hitting this inevitable milestone, and so opine on whatever the kids are into these days, repeating nearly word for word what had once been said about their "golden age" of music when those artists were the emerging sound of the day. And in a decade or so, the teens and twenty-somethings of today will be saying the same thing about whatever today's 8 year olds listen to when they grow up
Showed up on my feed, how the fuck does this only have 8 views
The algorithm doing this video good
Kind of random how this was recommended to me but the shift started when rappers started focusing on one liners here and there with a good hook on a sick beat ... That quickly changed to a good hook on a great beat... Which transitioned to a good beat. The reduction of investments from major labels caused this shift of doing experimental music with major successes or flops; to going with a for sure sale and okay reviews. Good video 👍🏽
Exactly, Pop rap started with Diddy producing these RnB hip hop joints, the Jay Z with the braggadocious raps that setup an environment for the bling bling era with a lot of Vanity from the likes of Lil Wayne and Kanye West. Lately we have these Playboi Carti, Future etc. who are in the mentally derranged state after the Vanity they preach. Does the next phase gets more crazy? I think it does 😂
Look bruh speaking mad facts dawg see this why i only listen to artist i actually know in person, or myself to. Reason why because there so many artist on the internet dropping visuals etc. Most of them have identical sounds as the last rapper. This why i stop following other artist I don't even know online. You deserve ton of views for this i been waiting someone to cover this for while.
I like u man. U didn't just come in straight hatin' on the new generation, actually came in without bias and showed appreciation for the new wave. I really fw u u got my sub
Message doesn’t matter because our society doesn’t value much of anything apart from immediate gratification and elevated pleasure. Music is a reflection of the culture at large. Intentionality and depth of meaning are no longer honored, thus the extremes of the opposite are. The message is a part of the emotional connection a listener experiences and most listeners use rap music as an escape from their actual reality in exchange for exaggerated hedonism. It is blissfully ignorant to say there are not degrees of maturity within art. And the best art that has stood across time was deeply meaningful… because it had to be to have such an impact. At the end of the day, it depends on your perspective and the scale at which you are comparing to.
(BTW; This only applies to music consumers not casual listeners.)
Great take, I am glad you showed that there are pros and cons to the usage .
I never thought about it like this, there definitely is a wider array of crazy voices nowadays. Good marketing for the music
Jace! Got skills bruh
Bro Ian is literally doing everything yeat already did 💀 shit hella funny
whats crazy is how they dont sound the at all
@@capybara8740they do, especially adlib wise. not beat wise like ppl been sayin tho, his beats are just 2012 gucci mane
@@paradiseofdrank * late 2013 early 2014 chief keef. He took more inspiration from Sosa than from yeat but he did get some from yeat as well. Lyrics and speech and etc. but his mumble and voice is just a higher pitch Sosa from 2014 with less promethazine in his system and better lyrics. That fact he blew up at 17 the same year Sosa blew up with love Sosa is kinda crazy
@@castedsp1dershe was rapping on a Gucci mane type beat bra stop it
Literally osama son stole ken flow and now he’s just making Ken music I see why Ken doesn’t drop anymore and all his fans are just osama son fans. Osama son music sucks the song he blew up off sucks he repeated a line for half the song and said one bar. Ken always repeats lines. Both their music sucks but crazy how fans let bro steal bro flow
Tbh jace the only rapper im tuned into rn when it comes to upcoming rappers
same
IMAGE, NO SUBSTANCE
IDOLS, NO INTEGRITY.
Welcome to Jacob's Trouble.
who made thisss
Presets an autotune stop artist from really developing their natural voice and discovering an unnatural voice.
As an artist, I disagree.
I love playin' with my voice and the effects help me developp my voice, with and without effects
when we start calling 4batz a rapper tho?
Jace actually got skill the rest of these people can’t expand they sound to other beats or genres but Jace can he already showed it multiple times
Yo you have great takes in this. I'm born in 1996, so I'm a little between the old gen/new gen. You reach a certain point with hip hop when you realize all that matters is how it makes you feel. I used to be a "rap purist" until I realize that's just born out of gate keeping and hating. These new guys are extremely talented at creating a certain sound along with visuals that separate them from the rest.
love the vid keep grinding 🔥
the shift is real because when i make my msic the first thing I do when coming up with a song is brainstorm the vibe that the song gives off. like i go really in depth thinking about how i would perform the song and like does it need to be a rager or is it something in the background of a smoke sesh. the words are important too but i feel like the words just gotta be catchy and go with the vibe of the song, dont really matter what im talkin bout.
Straight facts it is hard to market when every ninja got latop at the crib now, and it hard to come up with singles when another ninja can copy you.
@@joshuaB.Nicholas facts that’s why you make beats and shoot videos, most ngas don’t have the patience let alone the mental capacity to even sit there and learn something new.😅
6:40 song?
idc if there's no skill as long as its fun. low quality shit on soundcloud with
This is y im rly into the underground scene, they have crazy beats, and great sounds rhat go w/ the beat, not too long of a song, sh u can js get hype to fr
makes sense that the 80s is a popular aesthetic now, cuz like the 80s a lot of vocal changes were happening and less “human” toned
You on the zeitgeist
Jace biggest song is a no auto song why he on the thumbnail
It really just seems like a turnaround from the 90s to early 2010s where everyone loved how lyrical people were to now it's beats overflowing the voice itself and it's just how the "we all want something new" comes into play. Take for example eminem who was praised highly for how much of a lyrical genius was even to juice wrld with his freestyles. Now we have beats on ken carson's a great chaos or yeat's 2093 being heavy beats. I too am one to listen to both because I find both enjoyable to listen to
Thank you for reminding me that it doesn’t matter what I’m saying as long as it goes
Jace the 🐐
bro finna blow up
🫣 i hope so
at the end of the day, music is a form of art, and it doesn’t matter how or who says what on these songs, all that matters is if it sounds good to YOU!!!
Song name @7:44 ?
honestly the easiest way to stand out is just not to take the easy way out.
It just made it way more apparent that the new rappers don't have any soul in their deliveries at all when u compared the old and the new and this comes from a gen z'er 😂😂
I just wanna sell out shows and give the kids a badass experience.
i feel like we get times when we need music of substance when everything aournd us is bland but i think there is also a point where we get too much substance (pause) that we just wanna hear some shit that will dumb shit down
WoW amazing work you did on this video , I vibe with The way you conduct your self & interesting topic , this was a easy SUBSCRIBE
Production NEVER gets enough love
what i noticed about new gen vocals is that it really just sounds like they're using that impersonating style of voice. like when you by yourself and singing to your favourite songs, niggas just decided to put that on a track. take XXX a lot of times he would use that type of inflection like there is a sense of mockery or sum
The Lil Wayne auto tune era started this shit. Future pushed it further along, then came Thugger.
Thugger got it from quan.. but nobody give quan credit
great video man just subbed you gave me a lot to think about💎
Thank you! Glad to offer a different perspective
Ian def sounds like if the industry got tired of Yeat cause he ain’t continue doing the sound he was on 3 years ago so the industry wanted to capitalize on that by blowing Ian up and throwing him on beats that not from his region but more trendy type retro ATL beats even down to the DJ hosts on his album/tape. Ian’s voice sound in his music is too similar to what Yeat was doing before but you can hear it when Ian talks normally vs his music voice that it’s forced
I can’t get with most of the new rap today unless it’s for the specific purpose of “getting lit”. I’ve always gravitated towards things with sustenance rather it be food or entertainment. I go brain dead trying to listen to a whole album of “voice raps”.
bladee is the perfect example of pioneering his own sound through trial and error.
“We’re getting freaky wit it “😂❤
song@ 4:10
i feel like “rap voice” has just always been a thing. look at lil wayne for example. some people like yachty don’t have to try as hard of course but there’s a lot of people who don’t necessarily rap how they talk
Lil Wayne literally sounds the same he just raps enthusiastic and talks quiet asl😭
@@rueservin he raps at a much higher tone 😂 wym
Lil Wayne and yachts has talent and doesn’t have to put much effort in.
whats the song @ 6:40?
Tia corine denzel curry forgot the name tho
this rlly helped me as an artist, i think u should make more advice videos like this! thanks bro i appreciate this so much u dont even know!
@@eddieg4wdd No, thank you! glad it got you thinking outside the box💜. I may do just that
Nah this is OC 😂😂😂😂😂 I’m going back to recording fire music. Y’all be good. 💙🤝💯
i feel like we're growing up and becoming more aware of what we're listening too, i doubt the kids rn are thinking as consciously about what they're listening too. cycles cycle
its also the flow of the rap too, glokk40 blew up because of his flow mainly. All people would talk about is “glokk40 got the hardest flow”. Same for lazerdim
I mean, we went from 2016 xxl class to yeat , i like yeat alot, but you can say, the standard keeps getting lowered
who is the mastermind behind this video ?
As a big fan of hyperpop and industrial hip-hop I think that you're spot on thinking that the people creating the sounds are dope but the copycats kinda ruin it. We only need one Carti, Yachty, Future, etc. The same thing happened to Nirvana in the 90s. An artist's unique sound does NOT need to become a whole subgenre. That totally takes away from what made the original hit so hard.
jace a great artist
amazing artist
Skill ain't die it's what the music industry pushing, socalledair remember it
Fire video
I’m not tryna hate but Lazer Dim, Nettspend, Osamason, and Xaviersobased are some major artists I just can’t get with. Now that’s just me personally but everytime I listen it’s like I’m trying to beg them to say something good but it’s just not for me. Ian is kinda the same but IMO his flow is kinda slidin even though his lyrics are basic as fuck
Some of these rappers are not trying to be that tho. Think of Xavier like Lil B for example
Shyne’s voice was nearly identical to Biggie’s, it worked for him.
I'm making it and by making it I mean music noone listens to lmao great video btw looking forward to checking out more
wht song was that at 6:42
Bro I’m trying to find it rn too 😭
Its called hot one by denzel curry
🤓 Now everytime u listen to it u gotta say thank u for putting u on I dont make the rules 😔
@@WhosAux lmaoo lowkey tho. I peeped he was dropping an album like 2 weeks ago but i didnt know he dropped any singles off the album yet
Non-stop evolution
The problem with the newer acts and the voice effects, is the all of the bad ones. The ppl who still sound bad, lack breath control, etc.
At least when older artist did those things they still added a bit of their own to make it great (tpain could sing regardless, rapper's "funny" slang/voice was mostly due to cultural differences ie snoop and them sounded like cali guys vs run dmc for example). These new artist have nothing that seperates them/makes them unique besides class fr because sadly internet culture has ripped off and watered down everything. So even once you get past/over the voice effects, theyre still just talking about the same stuff as the next person compared to older music and the stories they told.
this vid tuff asf
Let people enjoy the music they enjoy making!
“Engagement farming”.. I think that’s a strategy used by Gen Zs in the era where you seek followers and attention, before you actually find YOURSELF. Before you actually identify your own unique voice and become good.
The attention span of the consumer shouldn’t drive how artists make art. Art should come from authenticity and inspiration. Then let the people react and respond to it, for better or worse.
What people don’t understand is that the vocals we hear in modern rap r not 100% computer manipulated. It takes a lot of work and talent to manipulate vocals WHILE recording. Most of the highlights and better sounding bars that just hits is because the artist knew what he was doing and how to make the end song sound how they imagined in their head. Its all about knowing how to use the tools you are given, not the tools using you.
If it’s lazer‘s real voice, then its bars
Lazer dont een use presets twin dats his raw voice errytime onna Bandlab twan
@@MistLordRx which is even crazier. Cheat codes built in😂
@@WhosAux 😭😭😭💯🔥ong fax n i fw auto tune 2 shi goes krazy
We do it for fun n we unique
tpain made all this possible we must give him credit
ty 👑🐐
that 4bats v pac was a violation 😂
Speaking of voices why you sound yourrage?
damn you got me its me, Rasheed Thurmond😂😂
I think I’m what you looking for in music if you need something new to listen too
But Perksmoke the most original artist of the underground and yall know it ❗️💯
Long Live X 🖤🖤🖤
I respect this but I personally won’t change my style just so people will listen, my art is me and I will not change myself for the preference of others. Good video keep it up
I’m listening to rx papi and neph
Dude sounds like rza from the show 😭
Why does this have jace in the thumbnail his voice is the best
It’s not a diss
On the production side we need to appreciate the engineers and yea the producer gets his praise but engineers to because without hood mixing and master most of these songs would be shit and another thing to add on to what u said about voices in hip hop/rap.2016 was also a shift of linguistic meaning rappers won’t prounce every word right like back in the day. And this shows in young thug music heavy and a lot of big artist and even upcoming artist allways shoutouts thug even yeat said his style was inspired by thug and if u listen u can tell in they way they pronounce words and flow.we are in a age that people can feel the emotion.
Good shit bro I fucks wit your video randomly clicked. Gonna check out some more.
@@brodylanetx 🫡 appreciate you, let me know what i can do better. Still in the lab 💜
Kendrick should be on this as well
Yo if you want be a better video put a beat while you’re talking, but don’t put it too high. Put it like a little low be a little bit more exciting this video was super good tho
@@Notimja thank you! what’s crazy i usually do that, but idk why i didn’t this time around. I’ll def make sure for the future 😂 ik sometimes my voice get a lil boring
there is a beat in the back i hear it
Jace to fire
What u kno bout shimmy lol
I’m sorry but osamason has 0 talent 😭
Why u apologizing bro everyone knows this 😭😭😭😭
Osamason js a off brand Ken Carson 😭
@@vohbe 😂😂😂😂😂
Caaaaapp
Can't say that, I think his sound is pretty unique, even if pretty derivated
Am I different chat?
kanye influenced the new generation hugely with autotune and 808 drums in 808s and heartbreak and new artists like ken carson are hugely utilizing that
6:40 who is that this was to tuff
Jace got the best voice n effects then heygwuapo & faygo
the real talent, the real want to put in effort to put something thought provoking out, has died. It's unfortunate, i just make music for myself now and i feel a lot more fulfilled. What people fail to realize is hiphop and rap in itself was a form of music that was created by black people as a sociopolitical movement. So the serious topics, the skill to flip words around and use metaphors and similes was the goal and it was the peak of talent in the culture, it also pissed the government off, which i love, because people that weren't of our environment got educated on what was really going on. They DO need to have a message in their raps, but hey, i enjoy new age rap, if young black guys can still provide for their family, cool bro. I do wish mfs put in more effort and cared about what they were putting out into the world more. I wanna add in, these niggas songs are so easy to preform, there's no excuse for people to get on stage and just listen to their music when people paid to hear you live.
anyone who gives current music love def gave 2016 producers and production love.. what u talkin abt fam pierre bourne dam near a household name along with countless other producers frm the time