Writing is hard work. Hip hop culture devalues work because labor is perceived as demeaning. It's largely due to a legacy of slavery, oppression, and exploitation.
@@bobweiram6321 that certainly is painting with a broad stroke. Some artists in the Hip Hop community may devalue hard work. Hip Hop is not only emceeing.
@@TigerCraneLove There are rappers who put in the effort, Playboi Carti comes to mind. Andre 3000 boasts about all the hours Outkast put into their albums. Tupac could be seen in the studios with a stack of notebooks studiously editing his masterpieces. On the other hand, there are too many rappers who say boast about how little effort they put into their craft. They wear it like a badge of honor, "I make make a million dollahs just saying "uh". Combine that with the slow talking, listless body movements, it sells a very self destructive ethic of underachievement. I say it's part of hip hop culture because it's unique to it. Playboi Carti, while amazingly talented, frequently babbles and bumbles in interviews.
"We don't come under the umbrellas of people who write raps like J. Cole, or Kendrick Lamar". So two of the top three rappers of this generation. You would think that's a red flag for punch-in rappers.
bro honestly cole is so mid, his texts are good but the form is not that good, kendrick is so much better than cole, if you want to do something like kendrick write but people really like listening to smth that sounds good, lyrics aint matter that much
Bun B says he doesn't like the punch in because he wants to know that he has the breath control to deliver live and remember his lyrics from writing and recording straight through.
People don’t get that Jay didn’t write because of necessity and he literally trained his memory to be extremely strong. When he was out on the streets he would essentially write out whole verses mentally and memorize them but once he got home, he would still write it down on paper. Eventually his memory got so good remembering his verses he made in his head, he didn’t need to write them down. He just had a memory bank of entire songs in his mind that he could call up at will.
This example reminds me of the quote “you have to understand the rules first before you can break them” a great artist can probably make good music with the punch out method, but it’s BECAUSE they are already great, they started their musician journey on pen and paper writing the lines that speak from their soul, their hearts, their lives. And they get really good, and eventually, they can pull off their same greatness without lugging the notebook everywhere, or they might enjoy the creative freedom of the punch in method, but therein lies the problem, people not working hard enough to be a well rounded musician, a well rounded rapper, a well rounded live performer, and they just go in and use the punch in method to churn out… well just a lot of product. And when it comes to music, it’s simply a universal truth that quality beats quantity any day.
The punch in method has been in existence for a long time. Rappers stopped writing because certain rappers used to brag about not writing being something to aspire to. The good rappers still write.
TRUE! I never hear cats like Black Thought, Canibus, K-RINO, Chino XL, Elzhi, Cambatta, Yugen Blakrok, etc running around talking about not writing. Canibus even pulled out the notebook to let you know what it was, HAHAHAHA.
@@TheRebel-ml6sy You see how nobody came in here to save you with likes or amens? P.S. Yeah Lil Wayne is good, but an exception to a rule doesn't make a status quo
@@TheRebel-ml6sy that's the thing with writing, you don't just spit nonsense, you come with concepts and content. That's why to me Lil Wayne is overrated and to you he sound so dope
Jay-Z said he didn’t write in the 90s because he didn’t have a pen and paper at all times. He also said he regrets creating a generation of bad writers. 🤷🏽♂️
@@Madbandit77 That’s not completely true. You still have Kendrick, J. Cole, Conway, Benny, Dave East, Cordae etc. but most of them are over 30. So, in the long run you’ll probably be right
I one hundred percent complained about this in my comment and in my professional life and personal life I’ve quit several studio jobs over it. That’s putting my money where my mouth is #EnGineerLivesMatter lol
You said it..rappers....... a rapper is not an MC, they are two very different things. a rapper is a commercial product an MC is someone who belongs to the culture and contributes to it.
Biggie and Jay-Z memorized whole songs in their heads and simply picked beats that best fit the lyrics they memorized. I think what a lot of newer artists are doing is more like freestyling, where they come with new lines on the spot, but instead of actually writing the lines on paper, they just record them, one after another in as many takes is necessary to achieve the desired sound.
"are doing is more like freestyling, " the point of freestyling was demonstrating that you could improvise song quality lyrics on the spot not that you could fill up time with mumbles
I'm not a professional engineer by any means, and even I was thinking about how time consuming this would be. It could be put towards a lot of other things
I heard an engineer say “don’t send me no punch in artist” and I didn’t understand his disdain until I saw exactly what he was talking about start to finish… as a pro though if you’re not booked up for the night you just got HOURS….😅🤷🏾♀️
The only issue I see with this is that it encourages rappers to basically structure their whole album around writing clever one liners and non-sequiturs. Instead of making something more conceptual. Very hard to imagine an Illmatic, a Food and Liquor, or a TPAB being written with punch ins.
Couldn’t have said it better. Instead of the artist thinking “what is this entire song about?” or “Where am I going with this verse?” they just think about “what’s a catchy thing can I say on this line that will get attention?” The end result is a verse or song that from a concept standpoint makes little sense.
If you write your music or lyrics down on a notebook pad in your own hand writing and sign it. it becomes a museum peace years from now. just like an autograph. Then it can be auctioned off years from now. Rappers who don't write their lyrics down, are throwing away money like a dummy.
been writing for 4 years, never gonna stop. the people that write almost always have the dominant bars, no point in forcing yourself to do something that could negatively affect ur work
Why does it upset you when you can always turn the song off and listen to something else. I’m not fussing but I don’t understand why people get upset with what someone else is doing. In my opinion life is too short for that
@@O.C808because the industry promote the mediocrity , violences and stupidity all around the world !!! They are spreading a negative image of black peoples through medias !!!
@@O.C808 Because you need to take pride in something. This is a profession, you should take it lightly. Music is spiritual. If you don't value it, don't do it. You come off as someone that lets your kids do what they want because you don't want to be bothered.
It's crazy to suggest that there's no degradation of quality when you don't put any time into thinking through the content of your lyrics. And I think you can just look at the results and see that this is like a 93% drop in quality from what rappers were laying down in the 90's.
Yall entertain average dudes. Thought doesnt need to go into lyrics it actually makes them less real. When I freestyle it's from the gut and I'll clown any writer tf
If you write your music or lyrics down on a notebook pad in your own hand writing and sign it. it becomes a museum peace years from now. just like an autograph. Then it can be auctioned off years from now. Rappers who don't write their lyrics down, are throwing away money like a dummy.
They forget that the best artist that “don’t write” also don’t punch in. They took the “not writing” part, and while initially it was something exceptional, made it something remedial. It’s all cut and no dope. Unfortunately this will be the death of rap, while true HipHop will continue to live on forever.
I’m being 100% serious: This is mind-blowing. I finally see why modern rap sucks. I thought the human beings were dumber. But now I know it’s the method they use to create
@LIL5LIME5TAR you right. But sometimes it should have meaning, to the artist and to the people. Nothing wrong with having fun. We just want more variety is all.
The editing really makes the satire of punching in golden! Someone give the editor a pay raise lol. These days, the rotation is Lupe Fiasco, Kendrick Lamar, Schoolboy Q, and Vince Staples.
How do you write that and not include AB-SOUL. HE DONT WRITE, HE MEMORIZE AND 1 TAKE. NUMEROUS ACCOUNTS FROM OTHER ARTISTS SAY AB-SOUL DOES THIS. NO WRITING AND 1 TAKE. AND ONE OF THE TOP LYRICST IN HIPHOP
@@cferdinandi not everey one need to write, i agree but some people are just samrt and quick of the dome. think comedians that do crowd work, improv, fre stylers that actually free style OTD . doechii is just one of those people. but i would agree that most aren't and need to start getting out their notebooks and learn to edit. Cos ye it shows and shows hard.
@@nendu4316 Oh for sure! And I think folks like Lil Wayne and Hov (and many others) prove that it CAN be done. But not everyone is at that tier, and the overall quality of rap has suffered as a result.
Doechii makes fire music tho. These other rappers... idk about them. It was the same with juice, he didnt write but his freestyles were crazy. Too many people trynna be like jay z and lil wayne
This is what’s slowly killing the genre. You can listen to the music and tell no effort or thought was put into it. This is why we don’t have mega hits that appeal to everyone anymore. Flip through the radio for 10 minutes and everything sounds the same. It’s microwave music for the microwave generation.
@@resonatingtruths where did I say they were? Punching in has nothing to do with your point of contention. Even if they weren't punching in, they'd still have terrible lyrics. So how can punching in be the thing killing the genre? I'm not disagreeing it's the microwave generation and all that, but to say punching in is what's killing it is just hilarious.
That’s like writing a book from top of your head. You don’t get enough time to think. Listen to 2Pac’s songs. The words hit because they’re carefully chosen. I know it’s impressive to just freestyler, but not on a song, do it in a battle, unless it’s ment to be freestyle.
I plan on being a rapper when I’m older, I’ve wrote 72 songs since around late June, I find writing music a fun coping mechanism too, like writing music abt how I’m feeling is just such a fun way to get things out, it’s my passion and my favorite hobby!
It makes perfect sense! This is why I don’t feel most new “rap” everyone stopped writing and it all got dumbed down, no lyrics, no substance, no thank you
outside of Jay and a few others, the ones that brag that don't write either have ghostwriters, or are so terrible they need to start writing. All great rappers write. Don't get fooled by Jay/Biggie/etc. saying they don't writ. They write, just not on paper. Punching-in doesn't substitute writing. So this video is kinda oddly titled.
The video is made by people who MIGHT understand rap, for people who definitely DON'T understand rap. They COULD have just shown the video of Rick Rubin telling Beastie Boy (Mike D.?) that Jay Z +wrote+ the ENTIRETY of 99 Problems in his head just before he went into the booth.
@@nilespeshay1734 Rap is a lot like poetry, I get a lot from rap, and it ain't the "lack of writing" neither. Not all poets spend hours refining every single phrase because we've already done that a thousand times before, it becomes like a muscle memory. And yes, you can write in your head, you can write with your voice, you can write by dancing, whatever. It's language, call it writing to satisfy the Europeans (they're simple folk)
You're so wrong. I one take freestyle everything because I wrote through all of middle school and high school. You don't know every rapper out here let alone a fraction
I've done a few songs either completely off top or halfway through. Sometimes it comes out really dope, sometimes it doesn't flow the right way. I personally love writing and because I've been writing for so long, song lyrics tend to come way easier than when I was younger. I think writing has also helped me be a better freestyler so I think they can work hand in hand if you flex the muscles enough
I still write & its so much better than trying to think about it on the fly. Most of these guys and girls NEED to write cause these bars don't make any sense.
@@another_useless No. just write bro. Once a person gets the structure and foundation down, then you can cheat the process a bit cause you have the foundation. You can’t bend the rules if you don’t know them.
The issue is they're trying to follow Jay and Big and now little Wayne but those guys are skilled at it AND CAN ACTUALLY MAKE HITS. Lots of these artist who don't write need to start 😂😂
@@thisizdub it's like when young guys try to emulate their favorite ufc fighters or boxers that happen to spar very little if at all. Problem is, the fighters are able to perform the way they do without sparring ONLY because of the VAST amount of experience and fights that they already have under their belt. It's very similar in rap. You have to work on your writing and sparring first before you can get to that point.
This makes total sense. Someone should correlate this to the application of nonsense lyrics in rap. I'd be willing to bet that this lead directly to that trap/mumble rap style. It's a lot of unintelligible lyrics, repeated phrases, and incomplete tracks. I even heard Lil' Yachty say that this was intentional.
It's probably been 10 years since I stopped listening to rap. I started gravitating towards r&b and really any musical genre with singers. They still tell good stories in those songs. I hate it because I grew up in the golden era of hip hop, but the kids these days just don't care about the art form or the culture as much.
Don’t listen to these people. We still write. And you can CLEARLY hear the difference between those who do and those who don't. What Doechii meant to say was "not many people have talent or the work ethic to become skillful anymore."
Dont need to write if you have ABC bars. I feel like everyone wanted to be lil wayne and jay z but no one had the skill. Let's not pretend that there arent rappers Today who do write like this and excel. For every lil baby theres a jid.
Jay and Wayne writing or rather non writing process isn't similar. Wayne actually freestyles that's why he says stupid punchlines and bars sometimes. Jay writes in his head but like a poet he always makes sense, if you actually read his lyrics or listen to them and understand them you'll see a genius. You'd think no way he didn't use a pen. But alas, he is the greatest ever with Nas
Kendrick and J. Cole write their thoughts down, eventually turning emotions and feelings into songs. Mumble rappers don't. The product speaks for itself.
It's all over his face! He knows and we know he wants to go back to the days of "Pump It Up" by Joe Budden, "React" by Eric Sermon and Redman and "Girls, Girls, Girls" by Jay-Z.
"Punching in and out" is a well known recording technique. I can understand how these rappers are using it. More than improvisational I would define this approach as "I have a new line in mind, let's record it". Real improvisation involves no punching in/out.
As a songwriter, I both improvise on the spot and write out a full track. Both are effective, but I think both also have to be present for a genre to grow. Same with melodies and song structure. Jay-Z is first and foremost a prolific songwriter like Dre. They happened to be great artistic talents as well.
Forever writing my songs, for me i was given the gift to write it, so ima look for that pen and paper and appreciate that I can actually do this. Anybody can rap but not alot people can write good songs
I've been involved in music for a long time. And I can say for myself, as an author, an artist. If it's some idea to convey some essence, to speak out on a certain topic, to tell a story, then it is always pre-written text. If I have a certain state, and I just wanna make music, to capture the state, I know how to perform and sing this song, then I use the punch-in method. But I recorded and mixed myself, so I didn't bother anyone. The difficulty with the first method is that you can't always write in one go. And you have to get yourself back into the right mood every time, which is hard. So sometimes I use a mixed method: I wrote down the punch-in, wrote down the text, and rewrote it into something more meaningful while keeping the main features (verse meter, rhythm, accents). Another difficulty is that almost everything has already been said before you more than once, all the images have already been tried on, and therefore the text fades into the background
"We stopped writing a long time ago, not many people write." This shows in the end result! Rakim writes, Nas writes, Big Daddy Kane writes, billy woods writes, Aesop Rock writes, Big L wrote, Queen Latifah writes, Rhapsody writes, Medusa writes, Bahamadia writes, Black Thought writes, Pharoahe Monch writes. Need I say more?
@namespaced4437 but they DID write, and elevated to a new level. That ain't these new rappers, they ain't put years into the craft as a writer and then elevate beyond the need to do so.
I enjoyed this video!🔥🔥 My 1rst favorite thing to do is ‘punching 🤛 in’, ‘off the top’ is my 2nd favorite, my 3rd favorite is ‘writing ‘✍️ but it gives my best quality I feel💯.
Boy rap has gone downhill. Hardly even recognizable as “rap.” Look at 1:50 - that type of thing, repeating multiple lines in a row in a verse, used to be called “lack of skill.” It’s so bad. Other stuff that was always considered the sign of an unskilled rapper who doesn’t know what he’s doing, like rhyming a word with the same word (which is hardly even “rhyming” at all), or having a generally low word count is also commonplace now. And it’s not because rappers today are less skilled. There are still skilled rappers, just like there are still skilled jazz pianists- they just aren’t popular. Society no longer values lyrical dexterity and wit. It values catchy beats above all, and then the ones that blow up are the ones who go viral due to something bizarre about their music video or appearance. The end result though is the quality of the actual rapping is worse.
This only works if you actually have talent as a Lyricist which a lot of young rappers, don’t have nowadays. Jay-Z Lil Wayne Biggie didn’t have to write because they actually had talent.
all of them were skilled lyricists through writing. they later stopped writing once they perfected their craft. these new rappers want to skip all the hard work and just start 'punching in' bars
People acting like if you write or not makes you better or worse. I produce, some of my rappers have whole songs written, some make them up on the spot, some have thousands of verses memorised they tweak and slide together to fit into the beats. They're all talented and no one method makes you a better artist or not, at least in my experience. (don't get me wrong theres still garbage made with all kinds of methodologies).
The great jazz singer Nancy Wilson once said that the invention of the multi-track recording studio in the '60s was the downfall of music. Instead of a live band playing at once with a vocalist...you could record one part at a time. This made it easier to "cheat." What she failed to realize is that technology paves the way for new techniques and forms of expression. That's why we have the the creative studio albums of the Beatles, Pink Floyd, & everyone on Motown. Imagine a real songwriter uses this punch-in method to fully optimize their speech patterns, rather than these simple popcorn rappers they used in this video? The content shown here might be lacking, but the technique is actually quite innovative.
Interesting points 👍 I think what Just Blaze said was true in that with each evolution there are positives and negatives. I'd say it's important to reflect so we can maximise the good and limit the bad. Like cellphone help us communicate, but too much screentime can be damaging. But that doesn't mean throw the baby out with the bath-water, which is the attitude some from a previous generation sometimes have.
@@CeaSeMusic1 In this case the negatives out weigh the good. most of these dudes see music as a hustle and a means to get social clout not a passion or a higher purpose.
The art of. Composition is lost with punch in. Composition is seeing the fullness of the concept thru all time. Composers make the greatest music because they tell the whole story.
“Punch-ins” in Hiphop are a legitimate vocal recording technique. Engineers used to, and still do, punch tape but it’s much more of a skill and it’s time consuming. It was originally used to fix minor sections of a vocal take, but it evolved to larger parts of a verse (sections) to allow greater focus on delivery (as opposed to just reciting words on a page). Some would even commit the majority of what they had written to memory, so when they hit the studio the focus was entirely on the delivery (from my experience, this yielded the best results). Todays (modern) emcees don’t write or can’t write (literally), they have no message, have no sense of syllabic structure (no vocal rhythm), no sense of tonality or key and are lyrically lazy. So in all seriousness, what does modern rap offer?
I agree, one adjustment to consider, look at it like there are emcees, rappers, and hip-hop artists. For example, would one consider Missy Elliot a dope emcee or hip-hop artist? Just like with DJ's, some just talk and play the music, then you have turntable-ism, e.g., The X-Ecutioners.
@@willx_1 Good point! I was born in 83 so think of hiphop as the 5 elements, emceeing (rap) deejaying, breaking, graff and beatboxing. All have continued to evolve in unique ways over the years and to varying degrees (if you haven’t seen breakdancing in a while, search Crashfest 2023, wow!). The one element that has the least connection to the foundations of hiphop (these days) is Rap. This, in my opinion, is the underlying reason why it sucks in 2023 (despite a few recent shining figures like Ez Mil who are keeping with evolution). As for what makes a great hiphop artist, rapper, emcee, lyricist etc, it all comes down to context. Drop Missy/Timbalands “Work it”in a club (or at a wedding these days, haha) and people start moving. Drop Immortal Techniques “Dance with the devil” and you’ll likely clear the dance floor (stick it in your headphones though and you’ll feel like your reading a book in your mind). You want to hear some great emcees during your commute in a car, bus or train, put on some Wutang, Xzibit (speed of life), God father Don or any other 90 NY hiphop. If someone wants to learn the art of the emcee/lyricist put on some KRS, Chino XL or even early Eminem. From the 80s to the 2010s rap even had regional identity and that often defined what people considered a great emcee (the unique sound of a unique neighbourhood). So the artists I mentioned, the ones that influenced me, could be totally different depending on a persons region and/or influence (it was like a sport and it made everyone better imo) In summary, by classical hiphop standards, a dope rapper, emcee, lyricist etc is defined by where you are and where you’re at (the same could be applied to movies and actors). Modern Rap, however, does not follow these standards and hence breaks from 40 years of evolution (“If you don't know where you've come from, you don't know where you're going”). I have hope, but until this train starts moving again I’m hitting replay on the past 99% of the time (do it better or don’t do it all right?!)
It’s fine in mainstream imo but it seems like fans are getting tired and want to hear something new and innovative. Alternative rap is alive and well because those artists often use the pen to make more intricate, thought-out, intentional lyrics. With writing down lyrics comes the capacity to improve your lines where you see fit. Favorites rn are earl sweatshirt and mach-hommy
@@yearningthevoid 90s beats are the best. Personally, I don't look for innovative, just dope lyrics. However, I can't vibe with certain production even if it is reminiscent of that Boombap sound. Some folks' beats are too dull for me.
@@TheCreatorNFEi agree with that and I love new guys like lil baby but their production is lame ash and dumbed down so if I want bars and production the only place to go is the 90s and 2000s
I will admit I've done this with guitar. I've played riffs and parts of what could be a song, then layered and stitched together my playing to make something cohesive.
This is where I struggled at as an upcoming artist. Like I literally be stuck while in the writing process but that’s about to be put away for good now
Whatever works for you honestly, if you write that’s fine, if you freestyle and punch in that’s fine, if you freestyle then write above your freestyle that’s also fine. In the end it doesn’t matter just make music. The ending product is what matters.
As a lyric writer, I get it , but also can see the potential limitations... A) artists are more likely to create things that they are unable to perform technically without multi tracking, making performance a challenge B) content becomes limited by ones ability to follow one train of thought improvisationally, meaning that you get a lot of "fun lines" strung together, but not many complete thoughts in multi bar stanzas...you end up with a bunch of "clever couplets" basically...which kinda only works when rapping at a certain level of "depth" and would be difficult to convey complete, complex ideas or convey deep emotion.
As a fellow writer, producer and singer, I agree. When you go through the process of writing, revisions that make the text more cohesive and versatile matters...
Let's face it, they do not write as an excuse to be whack, because they know they gonna look stupid when they invest so much in writing their lyrics and still can't come up with anything of value to say that has weight. Good on them for making money though, but it's sad for the quality of rap.
@@RealLaone like what kind of illuminati ish you on to disrespect everybody making real music that isn't being talked about. You a slave to the hype? Then wonder why the quality is degrading...
@@hayatefaith4273 that's exactly what anyone who doesn't bother to think through what they're saying would think. You're too ahead of yourself, chill with the assumptions and let the skill do the talking. We're in an era where it can still blow up whether it's good or bad. You can put out great work freestyling but once you write there'll be a noticable difference depending on who you are and the depth of concepts you'd come with when you get more time
It took away from music. Everyone think "not writing" is cool but it takes the meaning and substance out of it. This why most of them that "dont write" now, their music sound the way it do lol. Saying the same sh*t over and over
It’s funny all the few rappers that do write (Cole,Kendrick,Kanye,Drake) have been the top rappers this past decade easily. anything meaningful won’t be done off punch ins imo. I’m sure Pusha T, Big Sean etc. write , their metaphor game is on point. this trap era is just fast food music , all they care about is a catchy nursery rhyme hook
My technique is a hybrid. I’m reaching beyond the bar I have like a freestyle but I’m also writing that bar down to make sure the structure is balanced. It happens occasionally by itself, but only because I’ve taken the time to understand written structure first. Writing gives you time to make sure the entire scheme is as solid as each single bar. Then you stack those schemes and balance the entire verse and then song. I often have to punch record a verse because the structures are impossible to fit together due to the limitations of breathing.
Engineer since 1998 and I remember doing this on ADAT! That was a nightmare! At least we have Protools now. Ultimately I'm in a situation like, I hate punching but I love my clients and Its whatever the client needs. Most of the hours per week are mixing so I'm lucky I guess.
Kavi or hookah in ancient Indian literature were poets-musicians who created poems and songs on the go. They were known for their talent in poetry and music, and often sang songs of praise about their patrons or important events. Kawi played a significant role in Indian society as custodians of culture, knowledge and traditions. Their poetry and music were very valuable and respected in society.
I'll just say this. All the people I know and I know of who really dig hip hop and rap for the art of it just don't appreciate a lot of stuff that's come out of the punch-in generation. If it's your job, it's what you gotta do. But if you really here for rap and not just a check alone...
@@kevonarenas4367I don’t believe that part. I think the listener attention span is shorter these days with the internet moving so fast. They are like NEXT….ok NEXT….ok NEXT!
Punching in is a GREAT way to get ideas out quickly and figure things out like rhythms and flow or anything in rapping or songwriting in general, but then you need to get back and refine it with one and paper and then you can get some really awesome stuff.
That's just sad. The reason people like rap, or used to like rap, is because they had something to say, and they spoke clearly so you could hear it. Words as music. Not the same quality now. Also, I'm willing to bet most of these guys get their material from ghost writers, but that wouldn't sound half as edgy as saying they "punch it in."
That’s why Rap is rubbish nowadays. People think they can do that, even the weak rappers. And also the fans hyping us rubbish rappers and that fills their egos thinking they can drop anything and it’ll be a hit. These weak rappers need to be checked and get told the harsh truth. If your music is weak it’s weak no in between
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“We stopped writing a long time ago, not many people write”. WE CAN TELL!!
Doechii is amazing. She don’t need to
Writing is hard work. Hip hop culture devalues work because labor is perceived as demeaning. It's largely due to a legacy of slavery, oppression, and exploitation.
@@bobweiram6321 that certainly is painting with a broad stroke. Some artists in the Hip Hop community may devalue hard work. Hip Hop is not only emceeing.
@@TigerCraneLove There are rappers who put in the effort, Playboi Carti comes to mind. Andre 3000 boasts about all the hours Outkast put into their albums. Tupac could be seen in the studios with a stack of notebooks studiously editing his masterpieces.
On the other hand, there are too many rappers who say boast about how little effort they put into their craft. They wear it like a badge of honor, "I make make a million dollahs just saying "uh". Combine that with the slow talking, listless body movements, it sells a very self destructive ethic of underachievement.
I say it's part of hip hop culture because it's unique to it. Playboi Carti, while amazingly talented, frequently babbles and bumbles in interviews.
We can, brainrot fans who can't even READ can't.
99.9% of these people NEED to start writing again. They missed Jay's point completely. Even he started out writing his rhymes🤦🏾
99.9% of these people need to stop making music altogether.
@@letsgetbizzy6543 facts 😂
Juice one of the only recent mainstream rappers that could do what jay z did, everyone else gotta grab a notepad
@@DreezieJuice wrld freestyle ability was insane 💯
"I ain't a writer, I'm a biter" 😂
This is why storytelling is so rare in modern rap
And lyrical ability.
I don’t respect people that don’t take time and effort into their work. They don’t deserve my money.
“True writers will always reign supreme”
Bank statements are probably saying different
Where they at today?
@MONT9NA Kendrick lmao
The pen is mightier than the sword!
not commercially lol
"We don't come under the umbrellas of people who write raps like J. Cole, or Kendrick Lamar". So two of the top three rappers of this generation. You would think that's a red flag for punch-in rappers.
being very gracious with that cole placement
@AidanDotDash I mean that's the general consensus. "The Big Three".
@@quentonwillis3846”MF the big 3! 🥷 it’s just big me!”
bro honestly cole is so mid, his texts are good but the form is not that good, kendrick is so much better than cole, if you want to do something like kendrick write but people really like listening to smth that sounds good, lyrics aint matter that much
@@feineashform? This ain’t weight lifting it’s rap
Bun B says he doesn't like the punch in because he wants to know that he has the breath control to deliver live and remember his lyrics from writing and recording straight through.
None of these clowns can perform. They just all use backing tracks and basically just do the ad-libs when they're live.
That's because he's a craftsman. There's such a difference between a series of disconnected couplets and a solid 16 of straight BLACKING OUT
Mmh! Good point
Thats different
who?
If the engineer is paid by the hour, it’s all love! 😂😂😂😂😂
Indeed… take as long as you please
those are making lots of money.
yeah, stop writing and start punching
Taken these rappers entire budget! LMAO!! 😂🤦🏽♂️
Yeah money is so artistic
@@michaeljones3604 yupp exactly, and I tell them that, "yo you'd save a lot of $ if you wrote"... just sayin...
Just Blaze trying hard to not say these new dudes is trash lol
You could tell
I really wanted him to go in hard with his actual opinions.
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Facts lmao
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂true
People don’t get that Jay didn’t write because of necessity and he literally trained his memory to be extremely strong. When he was out on the streets he would essentially write out whole verses mentally and memorize them but once he got home, he would still write it down on paper. Eventually his memory got so good remembering his verses he made in his head, he didn’t need to write them down. He just had a memory bank of entire songs in his mind that he could call up at will.
Source: Jay-Z’s autobiography “Decoded”
This example reminds me of the quote “you have to understand the rules first before you can break them” a great artist can probably make good music with the punch out method, but it’s BECAUSE they are already great, they started their musician journey on pen and paper writing the lines that speak from their soul, their hearts, their lives. And they get really good, and eventually, they can pull off their same greatness without lugging the notebook everywhere, or they might enjoy the creative freedom of the punch in method, but therein lies the problem, people not working hard enough to be a well rounded musician, a well rounded rapper, a well rounded live performer, and they just go in and use the punch in method to churn out… well just a lot of product. And when it comes to music, it’s simply a universal truth that quality beats quantity any day.
Essentially he got so good at writing that he transcended the need for it.
i think jay z is bulshit. there is no way to be that good
This glorification of a lack of preparation, care, and purpose has spread across society. AI will only make it worse. We are a post-literate society.
Yooooo this comment ALONE should be put in a museum somewhere. This is BARZZZZ and guess what?? You WROTE that shyt😂
The punch in method has been in existence for a long time. Rappers stopped writing because certain rappers used to brag about not writing being something to aspire to. The good rappers still write.
TRUE! I never hear cats like Black Thought, Canibus, K-RINO, Chino XL, Elzhi, Cambatta, Yugen Blakrok, etc running around talking about not writing. Canibus even pulled out the notebook to let you know what it was, HAHAHAHA.
So lil Wayne and juice wrld aren’t good rappers
@@growngrownman5950 yeah but he got cooked in that battle😂😂😂
@@TheRebel-ml6sy You see how nobody came in here to save you with likes or amens?
P.S. Yeah Lil Wayne is good, but an exception to a rule doesn't make a status quo
@@TheRebel-ml6sy that's the thing with writing, you don't just spit nonsense, you come with concepts and content. That's why to me Lil Wayne is overrated and to you he sound so dope
Summary: "I heard Jay Z doesn't write down his lyrics, so I took it a step further and just don't have lyrics at all"
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BINGO lmfaoooo
Facts.
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this why they forget lyrics at concerts 😂
Jay-Z said he didn’t write in the 90s because he didn’t have a pen and paper at all times. He also said he regrets creating a generation of bad writers. 🤷🏽♂️
More like no writers. Rap/Hip Hop was based on slam poetry and you had to write verses.
@@Madbandit77 That’s not completely true. You still have Kendrick, J. Cole, Conway, Benny, Dave East, Cordae etc. but most of them are over 30. So, in the long run you’ll probably be right
just write on the kfc bucket then
Source?
@@UntilMakaveliReturns Thank you.
One of my fav aspects of the Tupac exhibit was seeing all his lyrics in tons of notepads.
This why being an engineer is better then being a producer in todays music. Your doing all the work
Seems like the engineers are trying to keep their jobs, not saying how unimpressed they are.
Exactly what I was thinking
They better shutup
I one hundred percent complained about this in my comment and in my professional life and personal life
I’ve quit several studio jobs over it. That’s putting my money where my mouth is #EnGineerLivesMatter lol
Engineers don’t really get as much of a say nowadays unless they actually produced the track
Before my brother passed away, he was an engineer. He used to do OFF about this. He hated it.
Exactly why alot of them can't perform live. 🤦🏾♂️
“Phony rappers, who do not write
Phony rappers, who do not excite…” - A Tribe Called Quest
Trash 🗑️
Word to that.
their broke af lmaoo im not looking up to bums
You said it..rappers....... a rapper is not an MC, they are two very different things.
a rapper is a commercial product
an MC is someone who belongs to the culture and contributes to it.
Bro its 2024😂
When those 'rappers' said "urma rurma mur ur urba mur".....no one felt that.
DMX would have run these youngstas out of the studios.
vultures 2 530
nah new gen loves it
yall grannies needa go to sleep
Bro what
Biggie and Jay-Z memorized whole songs in their heads and simply picked beats that best fit the lyrics they memorized. I think what a lot of newer artists are doing is more like freestyling, where they come with new lines on the spot, but instead of actually writing the lines on paper, they just record them, one after another in as many takes is necessary to achieve the desired sound.
@jucluvaand it's getting harder to find music that's not just there as filler to line corporate pockets.
@jucluvaikr lol
"are doing is more like freestyling, "
the point of freestyling was demonstrating that you could improvise song quality lyrics on the spot
not that you could fill up time with mumbles
I do love how she said "we stopped writing a long time ago" like we couldn't tell 😂
put some respect doechii though she's absolutely cold
@tsostillalive She aight shorty, it's hard for me to listen to anyone I write better than. Just being honest.
She a baddie!
@@tsostillaliveNo one knows who she is 💀💀
@@Driblefanten i do bro, go listen to pro freak by smino ft her
as an engineer, i despise this method. it's extremely tedious and it takes soooo long
(also not a fan of this method as a listener)
I'm not a professional engineer by any means, and even I was thinking about how time consuming this would be. It could be put towards a lot of other things
Instead of writers writing, singers singing, and instrumentalists playing it’s all been outsourced to the engineer
I heard an engineer say “don’t send me no punch in artist” and I didn’t understand his disdain until I saw exactly what he was talking about start to finish… as a pro though if you’re not booked up for the night you just got HOURS….😅🤷🏾♀️
@@LeNoiraLite and with every hour ur dreading the next 😭
YESSSSSS BRO!!!! I hate punching in. Just freestyle at this point 😂😂😂
The only issue I see with this is that it encourages rappers to basically structure their whole album around writing clever one liners and non-sequiturs. Instead of making something more conceptual. Very hard to imagine an Illmatic, a Food and Liquor, or a TPAB being written with punch ins.
Couldn’t have said it better. Instead of the artist thinking “what is this entire song about?” or “Where am I going with this verse?” they just think about “what’s a catchy thing can I say on this line that will get attention?” The end result is a verse or song that from a concept standpoint makes little sense.
If you write your music or lyrics down on a notebook pad in your own hand writing and sign it. it becomes a museum peace years from now. just like an autograph. Then it can be auctioned off years from now. Rappers who don't write their lyrics down, are throwing away money like a dummy.
Three of the best albums I ever heard. And mfs think it's more impressive to not do that.
Christ Dillinger made KING LEOPOLD THE 2ND WAS A HOE by punching in and it's a thought-provoking masterpiece
To be fare Lupe demod on a IGlive him punching in. So its not the method it's the effort and quality.
been writing for 4 years, never gonna stop. the people that write almost always have the dominant bars, no point in forcing yourself to do something that could negatively affect ur work
They don't realize Jay just moved the writing to his head instead of his pad
You mean J channels Demonic energy sources/spirits and gets taken over while recording:) Fixed it for you.
This is honestly depressing. It's a reason why the end result is so unimpressive, repetitive, uninspired and monotonous. No soul in it just machine.
lil wayne doesnt write.. also its more soul cause you are speaking off the top
i feel like spiritual lyrical miracle has less soul because it’s manufactured. i agree with the guy above
Why does it upset you when you can always turn the song off and listen to something else. I’m not fussing but I don’t understand why people get upset with what someone else is doing. In my opinion life is too short for that
@@O.C808because the industry promote the mediocrity , violences and stupidity all around the world !!! They are spreading a negative image of black peoples through medias !!!
@@O.C808 Because you need to take pride in something. This is a profession, you should take it lightly. Music is spiritual. If you don't value it, don't do it. You come off as someone that lets your kids do what they want because you don't want to be bothered.
It's crazy to suggest that there's no degradation of quality when you don't put any time into thinking through the content of your lyrics. And I think you can just look at the results and see that this is like a 93% drop in quality from what rappers were laying down in the 90's.
Yall entertain average dudes. Thought doesnt need to go into lyrics it actually makes them less real. When I freestyle it's from the gut and I'll clown any writer tf
Ok buddy 🤡@@hayatefaith4273
@@hayatefaith4273 sounds like the Dunning-Kruger effect
@@hayatefaith4273 wtf are you saying 😂🤡
@@hayatefaith4273nah 100% of the time writing clears freestyling if u know what ur doing
This is the best accidental parody that I've ever seen
I kept expecting them to make a case for this style.. nope.
I did feel like I could picture the Key and Peele version.
This is the best comment I’ve seen on this video 😂
Reality is stranger than fiction…
If you write your music or lyrics down on a notebook pad in your own hand writing and sign it. it becomes a museum peace years from now. just like an autograph. Then it can be auctioned off years from now. Rappers who don't write their lyrics down, are throwing away money like a dummy.
They forget that the best artist that “don’t write” also don’t punch in. They took the “not writing” part, and while initially it was something exceptional, made it something remedial. It’s all cut and no dope. Unfortunately this will be the death of rap, while true HipHop will continue to live on forever.
I’m being 100% serious: This is mind-blowing. I finally see why modern rap sucks. I thought the human beings were dumber. But now I know it’s the method they use to create
It's both...
@@gringochucha😂😂
I guess they don't need to write it down since they not saying anything. 😅
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Great point lol
Truth.
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Didn't stop you.
That’s why the songs have no meaning
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why they gotta
yup, cant stick to a subject so every song has the same content smh
music doesnt need substance or meaning all it needs to do is invoke a feeling in you
@LIL5LIME5TAR you right. But sometimes it should have meaning, to the artist and to the people. Nothing wrong with having fun. We just want more variety is all.
The editing really makes the satire of punching in golden! Someone give the editor a pay raise lol. These days, the rotation is Lupe Fiasco, Kendrick Lamar, Schoolboy Q, and Vince Staples.
@@FrancisWilly96 Good taste
How do you write that and not include AB-SOUL. HE DONT WRITE, HE MEMORIZE AND 1 TAKE. NUMEROUS ACCOUNTS FROM OTHER ARTISTS SAY AB-SOUL DOES THIS. NO WRITING AND 1 TAKE. AND ONE OF THE TOP LYRICST IN HIPHOP
Check out Billy Woods.
"We stopped doing that a long time ago. Most rappers don't write."
Yea, it shows.
Evidenced by Veeze specifically name dropping dudes who DO still write, and they're all the top tier artists.
@@cferdinandi not everey one need to write, i agree but some people are just samrt and quick of the dome. think comedians that do crowd work, improv, fre stylers that actually free style OTD . doechii is just one of those people. but i would agree that most aren't and need to start getting out their notebooks and learn to edit. Cos ye it shows and shows hard.
@@nendu4316 Oh for sure! And I think folks like Lil Wayne and Hov (and many others) prove that it CAN be done. But not everyone is at that tier, and the overall quality of rap has suffered as a result.
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Doechii makes fire music tho. These other rappers... idk about them. It was the same with juice, he didnt write but his freestyles were crazy. Too many people trynna be like jay z and lil wayne
“The problem is not everyone is great or capable of doing it”… yeah exactly that.
i’ll never stop writing
-murda murda birthday,
my birthday's on a Thursday-
"keep that."
- punch in rappers, probably
That it's not immediately obvious if this is even satire... 😂😂😂
So accurate it hurts!
This is what’s slowly killing the genre. You can listen to the music and tell no effort or thought was put into it. This is why we don’t have mega hits that appeal to everyone anymore. Flip through the radio for 10 minutes and everything sounds the same. It’s microwave music for the microwave generation.
this has no relation to punching in. Punching in has been around forever. Eazy E punched in. Pun punched in.
@@thecunninlynguistEveryone clearly isn’t Eazy E, Wayne, Jay Z or Pun.
@@resonatingtruths where did I say they were? Punching in has nothing to do with your point of contention. Even if they weren't punching in, they'd still have terrible lyrics. So how can punching in be the thing killing the genre?
I'm not disagreeing it's the microwave generation and all that, but to say punching in is what's killing it is just hilarious.
I loved every album y'all put out. Oneirology is just a genius compilation.
Never heard microwave generation before. That's a new one.
That’s like writing a book from top of your head. You don’t get enough time to think. Listen to 2Pac’s songs. The words hit because they’re carefully chosen. I know it’s impressive to just freestyler, but not on a song, do it in a battle, unless it’s ment to be freestyle.
I plan on being a rapper when I’m older, I’ve wrote 72 songs since around late June, I find writing music a fun coping mechanism too, like writing music abt how I’m feeling is just such a fun way to get things out, it’s my passion and my favorite hobby!
It makes perfect sense! This is why I don’t feel most new “rap” everyone stopped writing and it all got dumbed down, no lyrics, no substance, no thank you
Being on point is what made you sharp. Mastering the technique.
outside of Jay and a few others, the ones that brag that don't write either have ghostwriters, or are so terrible they need to start writing. All great rappers write. Don't get fooled by Jay/Biggie/etc. saying they don't writ. They write, just not on paper. Punching-in doesn't substitute writing. So this video is kinda oddly titled.
The video is made by people who MIGHT understand rap, for people who definitely DON'T understand rap.
They COULD have just shown the video of Rick Rubin telling Beastie Boy (Mike D.?) that Jay Z +wrote+ the ENTIRETY of 99 Problems in his head just before he went into the booth.
@@nilespeshay1734 Rap is a lot like poetry, I get a lot from rap, and it ain't the "lack of writing" neither. Not all poets spend hours refining every single phrase because we've already done that a thousand times before, it becomes like a muscle memory. And yes, you can write in your head, you can write with your voice, you can write by dancing, whatever. It's language, call it writing to satisfy the Europeans (they're simple folk)
@@aick💯😳
@@aickhmmm I hear you
You're so wrong. I one take freestyle everything because I wrote through all of middle school and high school. You don't know every rapper out here let alone a fraction
I've done a few songs either completely off top or halfway through. Sometimes it comes out really dope, sometimes it doesn't flow the right way. I personally love writing and because I've been writing for so long, song lyrics tend to come way easier than when I was younger. I think writing has also helped me be a better freestyler so I think they can work hand in hand if you flex the muscles enough
Stay creative and consistent however way you feel. At the end of the day Its only u against u.
I still write & its so much better than trying to think about it on the fly. Most of these guys and girls NEED to write cause these bars don't make any sense.
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@@another_useless No. just write bro. Once a person gets the structure and foundation down, then you can cheat the process a bit cause you have the foundation. You can’t bend the rules if you don’t know them.
The issue is they're trying to follow Jay and Big and now little Wayne but those guys are skilled at it AND CAN ACTUALLY MAKE HITS. Lots of these artist who don't write need to start 😂😂
@@thisizdub it's like when young guys try to emulate their favorite ufc fighters or boxers that happen to spar very little if at all. Problem is, the fighters are able to perform the way they do without sparring ONLY because of the VAST amount of experience and fights that they already have under their belt. It's very similar in rap. You have to work on your writing and sparring first before you can get to that point.
Big absolutely wrote.
Method Man said he saw BIG write down his verse.
No they should keep doing the same, if they aren't good they aren't good pay em no mind
@@tupdhe stopped after he heard that Jay doesn't write.
This makes total sense. Someone should correlate this to the application of nonsense lyrics in rap. I'd be willing to bet that this lead directly to that trap/mumble rap style. It's a lot of unintelligible lyrics, repeated phrases, and incomplete tracks. I even heard Lil' Yachty say that this was intentional.
There's room for everyone . The trap slander is unnecessary.
punching in has no correlation.
Rapping 5-8 words every 15-30 seconds and still can't perform it live
Hating is bad for u
I don’t know because biggie punched in too but had top notch de😅
It's probably been 10 years since I stopped listening to rap. I started gravitating towards r&b and really any musical genre with singers. They still tell good stories in those songs. I hate it because I grew up in the golden era of hip hop, but the kids these days just don't care about the art form or the culture as much.
Check out K.A.A.N. He brings it back. Audio Murder is a good place to start.
try mf doom and doechii tho, theyre still writing clever and cool stuff
Don’t listen to these people. We still write. And you can CLEARLY hear the difference between those who do and those who don't. What Doechii meant to say was "not many people have talent or the work ethic to become skillful anymore."
Dont need to write if you have ABC bars. I feel like everyone wanted to be lil wayne and jay z but no one had the skill. Let's not pretend that there arent rappers Today who do write like this and excel. For every lil baby theres a jid.
100%
true, it's fine if you have the talent to back it up but 99% of rappers aren't jay or wayne
thing is lil baby can rap his azz off he just became stagnant. his feature on pride is the devil for example
Jay and Wayne writing or rather non writing process isn't similar. Wayne actually freestyles that's why he says stupid punchlines and bars sometimes. Jay writes in his head but like a poet he always makes sense, if you actually read his lyrics or listen to them and understand them you'll see a genius. You'd think no way he didn't use a pen. But alas, he is the greatest ever with Nas
Its lazy if you don't go back and correct or improve certain bars
Kendrick and J. Cole write their thoughts down, eventually turning emotions and feelings into songs. Mumble rappers don't. The product speaks for itself.
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zero quotables
It’s all the same thing
“mumble rappers” u a cornball
@@sailoragitate900this whole comment section thinks rap is simply just lyrical miracle lmao, they dont know that punch in is literally a rap style
Just Blaze sitting through that interview tryna sound like he's not hating, but you can tell how he truly feels. XD
It's all over his face! He knows and we know he wants to go back to the days of "Pump It Up" by Joe Budden, "React" by Eric Sermon and Redman and "Girls, Girls, Girls" by Jay-Z.
The day rappers stopped taking their lyrics seriously is the day hip hop died
Mac Miller: "I write all the time"
Nothing to add...
"Punching in and out" is a well known recording technique. I can understand how these rappers are using it. More than improvisational I would define this approach as "I have a new line in mind, let's record it". Real improvisation involves no punching in/out.
yes its just digital recording. Improvisations involve no stops.
Many of the rappers featured in this video are not known for their lyricism and maybe they should start learning how to write something down
Like Jay-Z?
@@aick?
For who you?
@@aickAre you okay ?
Or just go listen to someone you like
As a songwriter, I both improvise on the spot and write out a full track. Both are effective, but I think both also have to be present for a genre to grow.
Same with melodies and song structure. Jay-Z is first and foremost a prolific songwriter like Dre. They happened to be great artistic talents as well.
Forever writing my songs, for me i was given the gift to write it, so ima look for that pen and paper and appreciate that I can actually do this. Anybody can rap but not alot people can write good songs
I've been involved in music for a long time. And I can say for myself, as an author, an artist.
If it's some idea to convey some essence, to speak out on a certain topic, to tell a story, then it is always pre-written text.
If I have a certain state, and I just wanna make music, to capture the state, I know how to perform and sing this song, then I use the punch-in method. But I recorded and mixed myself, so I didn't bother anyone.
The difficulty with the first method is that you can't always write in one go. And you have to get yourself back into the right mood every time, which is hard. So sometimes I use a mixed method: I wrote down the punch-in, wrote down the text, and rewrote it into something more meaningful while keeping the main features (verse meter, rhythm, accents).
Another difficulty is that almost everything has already been said before you more than once, all the images have already been tried on, and therefore the text fades into the background
This is explains why the quality of hip hop has gone down from the 90s.
Yep. When the quality goes down and the consumer (fans) don't know any better, they will just accept any old trash as "good".
you just listen to wack rap bro hate the player not the game
@@betsyrocksThat's why the old school still works.
No it hasn't. You just aren't looking for good music and have a surface level taste in hip hop.
That's only true for mainstream hip hop, but there's a lot more hip hop artists creating exciting and innovative stuff today than during the 90s.
Reading is fundamental.
"We stopped writing a long time ago, not many people write." This shows in the end result! Rakim writes, Nas writes, Big Daddy Kane writes, billy woods writes, Aesop Rock writes, Big L wrote, Queen Latifah writes, Rhapsody writes, Medusa writes, Bahamadia writes, Black Thought writes, Pharoahe Monch writes. Need I say more?
lil wayne dont write, king los dont write, black thought doesnt need to write but he does,
Shout out billy woods, maybe the best writer in hip hop EVER
@namespaced4437 but they DID write, and elevated to a new level. That ain't these new rappers, they ain't put years into the craft as a writer and then elevate beyond the need to do so.
Eminem
I enjoyed this video!🔥🔥 My 1rst favorite thing to do is ‘punching 🤛 in’, ‘off the top’ is my 2nd favorite, my 3rd favorite is ‘writing ‘✍️ but it gives my best quality I feel💯.
Boy rap has gone downhill. Hardly even recognizable as “rap.” Look at 1:50 - that type of thing, repeating multiple lines in a row in a verse, used to be called “lack of skill.” It’s so bad. Other stuff that was always considered the sign of an unskilled rapper who doesn’t know what he’s doing, like rhyming a word with the same word (which is hardly even “rhyming” at all), or having a generally low word count is also commonplace now. And it’s not because rappers today are less skilled. There are still skilled rappers, just like there are still skilled jazz pianists- they just aren’t popular. Society no longer values lyrical dexterity and wit. It values catchy beats above all, and then the ones that blow up are the ones who go viral due to something bizarre about their music video or appearance. The end result though is the quality of the actual rapping is worse.
Killa Mike always give things clarity. I know he’s a good father dude has so much understanding.
Shoutout to all the engineers that make it sound good. The unsung heroes of it all
This only works if you actually have talent as a Lyricist which a lot of young rappers, don’t have nowadays. Jay-Z Lil Wayne Biggie didn’t have to write because they actually had talent.
yeah lil wayne was already a skilled lyricist before he stopped writing
JUICE WRLD
@@Idontevenknow-l3j juice fully freestyled most of his songs but we're talking about rappers that write in their head
all of them were skilled lyricists through writing. they later stopped writing once they perfected their craft. these new rappers want to skip all the hard work and just start 'punching in' bars
@@Bbb82744this is the key difference
People acting like if you write or not makes you better or worse. I produce, some of my rappers have whole songs written, some make them up on the spot, some have thousands of verses memorised they tweak and slide together to fit into the beats. They're all talented and no one method makes you a better artist or not, at least in my experience. (don't get me wrong theres still garbage made with all kinds of methodologies).
"I make music that electrify them, you make music that pacify them"
The great jazz singer Nancy Wilson once said that the invention of the multi-track recording studio in the '60s was the downfall of music. Instead of a live band playing at once with a vocalist...you could record one part at a time. This made it easier to "cheat."
What she failed to realize is that technology paves the way for new techniques and forms of expression. That's why we have the the creative studio albums of the Beatles, Pink Floyd, & everyone on Motown.
Imagine a real songwriter uses this punch-in method to fully optimize their speech patterns, rather than these simple popcorn rappers they used in this video? The content shown here might be lacking, but the technique is actually quite innovative.
Interesting points 👍 I think what Just Blaze said was true in that with each evolution there are positives and negatives. I'd say it's important to reflect so we can maximise the good and limit the bad. Like cellphone help us communicate, but too much screentime can be damaging. But that doesn't mean throw the baby out with the bath-water, which is the attitude some from a previous generation sometimes have.
they do lmao, it's called vocal comping and most artists nowadays do that
@@CeaSeMusic1 In this case the negatives out weigh the good. most of these dudes see music as a hustle and a means to get social clout not a passion or a higher purpose.
Punching in is not new.
The art of. Composition is lost with punch in. Composition is seeing the fullness of the concept thru all time. Composers make the greatest music because they tell the whole story.
“Punch-ins” in Hiphop are a legitimate vocal recording technique. Engineers used to, and still do, punch tape but it’s much more of a skill and it’s time consuming. It was originally used to fix minor sections of a vocal take, but it evolved to larger parts of a verse (sections) to allow greater focus on delivery (as opposed to just reciting words on a page). Some would even commit the majority of what they had written to memory, so when they hit the studio the focus was entirely on the delivery (from my experience, this yielded the best results).
Todays (modern) emcees don’t write or can’t write (literally), they have no message, have no sense of syllabic structure (no vocal rhythm), no sense of tonality or key and are lyrically lazy. So in all seriousness, what does modern rap offer?
Exactly
I agree, one adjustment to consider, look at it like there are emcees, rappers, and hip-hop artists. For example, would one consider Missy Elliot a dope emcee or hip-hop artist? Just like with DJ's, some just talk and play the music, then you have turntable-ism, e.g., The X-Ecutioners.
@@willx_1 Good point! I was born in 83 so think of hiphop as the 5 elements, emceeing (rap) deejaying, breaking, graff and beatboxing.
All have continued to evolve in unique ways over the years and to varying degrees (if you haven’t seen breakdancing in a while, search Crashfest 2023, wow!). The one element that has the least connection to the foundations of hiphop (these days) is Rap. This, in my opinion, is the underlying reason why it sucks in 2023 (despite a few recent shining figures like Ez Mil who are keeping with evolution).
As for what makes a great hiphop artist, rapper, emcee, lyricist etc, it all comes down to context. Drop Missy/Timbalands “Work it”in a club (or at a wedding these days, haha)
and people start moving. Drop Immortal Techniques “Dance with the devil” and you’ll likely clear the dance floor (stick it in your headphones though and you’ll feel like your reading a book in your mind). You want to hear some great emcees during your commute in a car, bus or train, put on some Wutang, Xzibit (speed of life), God father Don or any other 90 NY hiphop. If someone wants to learn the art of the emcee/lyricist put on some KRS, Chino XL or even early Eminem.
From the 80s to the 2010s rap even had regional identity and that often defined what people considered a great emcee (the unique sound of a unique neighbourhood).
So the artists I mentioned, the ones that influenced me, could be totally different depending on a persons region and/or influence (it was like a sport and it made everyone better imo)
In summary, by classical hiphop standards, a dope rapper, emcee, lyricist etc is defined by where you are and where you’re at (the same could be applied to movies and actors). Modern Rap, however, does not follow these standards and hence breaks from 40 years of evolution (“If you don't know where you've come from, you don't know where you're going”).
I have hope, but until this train starts moving again I’m hitting replay on the past 99% of the time (do it better or don’t do it all right?!)
#FACTS
@@aickwhat's thw confirmist coloniser way? Just trying to understand, thanks
It’s fine in mainstream imo but it seems like fans are getting tired and want to hear something new and innovative.
Alternative rap is alive and well because those artists often use the pen to make more intricate, thought-out, intentional lyrics. With writing down lyrics comes the capacity to improve your lines where you see fit. Favorites rn are earl sweatshirt and mach-hommy
I stopped listening to Earl long ago, but Mach is dope. However, I'm very fond of folks like Elcamino and Flee Lord.
Overrated
None of these are innovative, these beats could be from the 90's. Innovative is Moor Mother or JPEGMAFIA
@@yearningthevoid 90s beats are the best. Personally, I don't look for innovative, just dope lyrics. However, I can't vibe with certain production even if it is reminiscent of that Boombap sound. Some folks' beats are too dull for me.
@@TheCreatorNFEi agree with that and I love new guys like lil baby but their production is lame ash and dumbed down so if I want bars and production the only place to go is the 90s and 2000s
I will admit I've done this with guitar. I've played riffs and parts of what could be a song, then layered and stitched together my playing to make something cohesive.
Just Blaze you’re wrong , rap didn’t evolve it devolved.
0:48 He passed away at the hospital where my father works.
As a producer this is my biggest pet peeve
I can't stand it lol
Wow, this explains so much
I still love to write 🌱🤲🏽 I’ll edit when I get to the session if needed.
This is where I struggled at as an upcoming artist. Like I literally be stuck while in the writing process but that’s about to be put away for good now
Whatever works for you honestly, if you write that’s fine, if you freestyle and punch in that’s fine, if you freestyle then write above your freestyle that’s also fine. In the end it doesn’t matter just make music. The ending product is what matters.
The end product is awful.
The sales and overall decline of rap today says otherwise sir...
As a lyric writer, I get it , but also can see the potential limitations...
A) artists are more likely to create things that they are unable to perform technically without multi tracking, making performance a challenge
B) content becomes limited by ones ability to follow one train of thought improvisationally, meaning that you get a lot of "fun lines" strung together, but not many complete thoughts in multi bar stanzas...you end up with a bunch of "clever couplets" basically...which kinda only works when rapping at a certain level of "depth" and would be difficult to convey complete, complex ideas or convey deep emotion.
As a fellow writer, producer and singer, I agree. When you go through the process of writing, revisions that make the text more cohesive and versatile matters...
Clubhead music 🎶
really fascinating great video
I write, rap, revise, rap, 10X and try for one take. Usually need 2 or 3 but feels better to me than punching in. Enjoy the ride.
Always
Yes sir... 110% 👁️👁️
I never stopped writing though pen and pad still my joint
Let's face it, they do not write as an excuse to be whack, because they know they gonna look stupid when they invest so much in writing their lyrics and still can't come up with anything of value to say that has weight. Good on them for making money though, but it's sad for the quality of rap.
You're wrong I one take freestyle and it's all conceptual
@@hayatefaith4273 which is exactly why I have to hear of you from you.
@@RealLaone so you've heard of every rapper that writes? Lmao. And every dude you never heard of sucks too that makes sense
@@RealLaone like what kind of illuminati ish you on to disrespect everybody making real music that isn't being talked about. You a slave to the hype? Then wonder why the quality is degrading...
@@hayatefaith4273 that's exactly what anyone who doesn't bother to think through what they're saying would think. You're too ahead of yourself, chill with the assumptions and let the skill do the talking. We're in an era where it can still blow up whether it's good or bad. You can put out great work freestyling but once you write there'll be a noticable difference depending on who you are and the depth of concepts you'd come with when you get more time
I can appreciate the creativity in "written" lyrics, I don't appreciate what passes for rap nowadays as it's just stand-in for noise to my ears
I would give this a million likes if I could!
@@ajnewell2693old heads
It took away from music. Everyone think "not writing" is cool but it takes the meaning and substance out of it. This why most of them that "dont write" now, their music sound the way it do lol. Saying the same sh*t over and over
It’s funny all the few rappers that do write (Cole,Kendrick,Kanye,Drake) have been the top rappers this past decade easily. anything meaningful won’t be done off punch ins imo. I’m sure Pusha T, Big Sean etc. write , their metaphor game is on point. this trap era is just fast food music , all they care about is a catchy nursery rhyme hook
My technique is a hybrid. I’m reaching beyond the bar I have like a freestyle but I’m also writing that bar down to make sure the structure is balanced. It happens occasionally by itself, but only because I’ve taken the time to understand written structure first.
Writing gives you time to make sure the entire scheme is as solid as each single bar. Then you stack those schemes and balance the entire verse and then song. I often have to punch record a verse because the structures are impossible to fit together due to the limitations of breathing.
i do da same tbh jus 2 not a forget a bar i kame up with dat i like when freestyyling
Same
Engineer since 1998 and I remember doing this on ADAT! That was a nightmare! At least we have Protools now. Ultimately I'm in a situation like, I hate punching but I love my clients and Its whatever the client needs. Most of the hours per week are mixing so I'm lucky I guess.
protools came out in 1991, i mean there was a lot of software in 1998 like cool edit pro people used lmao
@@nocap7044and cakewalk
Miss those days
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I'll just say this. All the people I know and I know of who really dig hip hop and rap for the art of it just don't appreciate a lot of stuff that's come out of the punch-in generation. If it's your job, it's what you gotta do. But if you really here for rap and not just a check alone...
I've learned a lot today. Thank you
This method is why Dre said there is more quantity then quality out right now. Thats why songs last slightly over two minutes
Yeah cause these punch in dudes can't even last longer than two minutes on the mic
@@kevonarenas4367I don’t believe that part. I think the listener attention span is shorter these days with the internet moving so fast. They are like NEXT….ok NEXT….ok NEXT!
They don't make music anymore, they make content. Huge difference.
The content sucks
Nah, they're making music. Don't be elitest.
@@DaKurupt19 people forget the most important thing about music is sound.
@@kiwiladiuhhh yeah that’s why they make can’t write it down because it’s so fire it will light the notebook up
Music is subjective not everyone is going have same opinion
Still write with pen and paper til this day use my phone when I’m on the go or tryna multitask,won’t stop✍🏽
Punching in is a GREAT way to get ideas out quickly and figure things out like rhythms and flow or anything in rapping or songwriting in general, but then you need to get back and refine it with one and paper and then you can get some really awesome stuff.
That's just sad. The reason people like rap, or used to like rap, is because they had something to say, and they spoke clearly so you could hear it. Words as music. Not the same quality now. Also, I'm willing to bet most of these guys get their material from ghost writers, but that wouldn't sound half as edgy as saying they "punch it in."
That’s why Rap is rubbish nowadays. People think they can do that, even the weak rappers.
And also the fans hyping us rubbish rappers and that fills their egos thinking they can drop anything and it’ll be a hit.
These weak rappers need to be checked and get told the harsh truth. If your music is weak it’s weak no in between
Let me guess you from Africa