The Death of Cinematic Universes
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
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Ever since the Marvel Cinematic Universe took off in the early 2010s, there have been various attempts at trying to replicate that success. Scratch that, there have been TOO MANY attempts at replicating that success. Cinematic Universes are a dime a dozen these days, and very few of them are actually good or successful. I'm tired.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:33 - Sponsor
3:02 - Oversaturation
8:18 - Too much content
12:24 - Fumbling a Cinematic Universe
14:55 - Conclusion
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Tracks in order of appearance (Repeats not counted):
Persona 3 Reload OST - Color Your Night (Instrumental)
Team Fortress 2 OST - The Art of War
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance OST - Stains of Time
Yakuza 0 OST - Substory Theme
Sonic Adventure 2 OST - Bright Sound (Dry Lagoon)
Gravity Falls OST - Let’s Rewind
UNBEATABLE [white label] OST - Title Screen
Sonic Unleashed OST - Apotos (Day)
Persona 4 OST - Alone
Persona 5 OST - Phantom
Losing Streak - Chew Well (Outro Song)
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You're not the only one, mate. I'm sick of them too.
got paid by the snail
got paid by the other critters
Weren't classified military documents leaked over arguments about the historical accuracy of that game
@@topcatfan yep thats a normal tuesday for WT players (i can relate)
I'd like to point out that Godzilla as a franchise has been a cinematic universe since the 60's. Mothra and Rodan were their own movies before fighting/teaming up with Godzilla.
Hell, all of Toku is kinda a cinematic universe
AND IT IS STILL BETTER THAN THE ENTIRE MCU@@raheemaslam7363
Facts 💯
@@raheemaslam7363exactly super Sentai/Kamen Rider is a big example
@@raheemaslam7363 Add Pretty Cure to this mix
Standalone seasons with crossover movies as the big extra thing
Calling the Sonic movie franchise the Sonic Cinematic Universe is the equivalent of calling The Big Bang Theory franchise the Big Bang Theory Cinematic Universe because they made Young Sheldon
The creators have already said that's what they want the franchise to be in 5 years. That's the only reason Knuckles got a show, it was a "test run" of sorts to see if people would be interested (and the show did EXTREMELY well)
@@just_an_elli i hope the next one ACTUALLY HAS THE TITLE CHARACTER BE THE MAIN CHARACTER. If we get a tails show or something only for the wedding lady or wade being the focus I'm gonna flip
@@nellewoodruff6337 Sonic X literally had an episode where Knuckles taught someone how to be a warrior and it was one of my favorite episodes of the entire. The humans aren't the biggest issue, it's the way they're written. I'd rather have what you just described, but if we HAVE to have humans, then they need to be likeable/realistic
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but you’re right.
@@just_an_elliYeah Knuckles and Hawk was a great episode and ironically that character really should have appeared more.
It's funny how Sonic has both the best use of the humans (the mentioned along with Topaz and Rouge) and the absolute worse (Chris literally being more prominent than Sonic himself)
Couldn’t have said it better myself. It started out as an incredible idea and then it became the cinematic equivalent of seasonal rot
Well there are or could be ones that aren't that imo
@@ivoneo2806yeah definitely, most of it has potential
MCU was cool because it was one of the first to do it.
Back then, it was mostly solo movies or X-Men films. Seeing a movie were multiple heroes from multiple movies coming together NEVER happened.
Agreed
@@ccelite3782it did happen, just once at the end of a phase. It was by phase 3 they started having solo movies involve other superheroes as guest appearances
great video, can’t wait for the cartoonshi cinematic universe
Hope it comes soon tho
The CCU
@Vector_DashMaybe. I'm still waiting for War Car-thunder-shi game
The CCU is already here and this video is part of it.
DC needs to learn, slow and steady always wins the the race not fast and crazy. Marvel approach was humble in building the franchise.
I like to think that the Monsterverse is that one kid chilling in the corner while the bigger ones like the MCU and DC are the popular kids that always gets in deep trouble.
Monsterverse is like Spongebob making the single krabby patty while the others are king neptune making a bunch of bad tasting patties
I'm imagining Godzilla and King Kong just sitting on a bench at the park kicking their feet while all the others are basically death brawling on the jungle gym.
The Monsterverse is successful because it has no pretensions about what it is. It knows what audiences are here to see (cool action scenes of giant monsters beating the shit out of each other) and delivers exactly that, with the bare minimum of boring human plot lines that nobody really cares about to tie the action scenes together. Unlike with comic book movies, the creators don’t seem like they’re embarrassed to be associated with the source material.
Monsterverse team knows that the audience wants to see big lizard and big monkey fight each other and other big monsters.
@@sssspider tbf. Kong skull island had great human plots and characters
The cinematic universe bubble hasn't "burst", it's more of a "sprung a leak and slowly loses all momentum while studios try to patch it up with wet tape".
I think dissolving toilet paper is more of an apt analogy than wet tape
Cope😂
@user-bt9yh8jn1q You look familiar. Haven't you deepthroated boots in front of me before?
@@user-bt9yh8jn1qTrue cry that Monsterverse didn't failed
@@lazyvoid7107 Cope
I still find it funny that out of all the cinematic universes that are still standing, it's the Monsterverse that's had the most success and praise outside of Marvel.
A franchise made by fans, for fans. It’s what made many projects good, and the monsterverse is no different
Lizard Sweep.
(jokes aside, I am happy people are enjoying it and that it's kept momentum. I love Godzilla.)
I mean we're just focusing on two recognizable and prominent monsters so far but yeah you're 100% right.
Godzilla has had a cinematic universe depending the era really.
Helps that Godzilla is pretty much already a profitable cinematic universe in Japan.
And it's not like they tried to cram in every single Toho kaiju into one film (even King of the Monsters used a few iconic monsters), though it's probably due to them needing Toho's permission to even use other kaiju besides Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra and King Ghidorah.
Even most of the villains besides King Ghidorah (and Rodan, to an extent) are all original kaiju (i.e. the MUTOs, Skullcrawlers and Skar King)
Cinematic universes: *dying*
Big lizard and monke: come, this is no place to die
And im all for it
I’m surprised Scoob wasn’t brought up. That one could’ve been a really good Scooby-Doo movie but it tried to be a Hanna Barbera Cinematic Universe straight away with Blue Falcon, Dick Dastardly and Captain Caveman. And it flopped so bad that the next entry got written off for tax purposes
That one crashed and burned in an instant only to be forgotten about.
Who ever asked for a hanna barbara cinematic universe?
@jskywalker58 that's my b. I wanted a hong kong phooey movie but the monkey's paw curled hard. Sorry
Dick Dastardly???
And the next entry is Coyote vs ACME?
7:30 funnily enough, when the Sonic Archie comics gave Knuckles his own Comic series it pretty much just became it‘s own franchise with many characters and villains.
That’s the Penders-verse
@@Schwoomy for better or for many parts worse
@@nellewoodruff6337It was the worse, pointless piece of Sonic media i've ever read.
But that's the thing, it was a Sonic character first, that's what he became known for. It doesn't have the same "cinematic universe" effect, as cartoonshi said, it would have the "cinematic universe" effect if it were one with other Sega characters.
Companies just want to take advantage of fan culture without actually giving it any respect or listening to what people genuinely want. That's exactly what all of this is.
As someone who really likes the Sonic movies, I refuse to call them a cinematic universe because that’s 100% just a corporate marketing decision and nothing else, it’s just a self contained Sonic movie series (same goes for Matt Reeves’ “The Batman cinematic universe”, again, that’s just a self contained Batman movie series, it doesn’t matter how many spinoffs there are, it’s still just a movie series if it’s on only one ip)
If they made an alex kidd movie that crossed over with sonic than there is a cinematic universe
When I get invested in a cinematic universe, I genuinely feel OBLIGED to do all the research possible so I know everything. I know it's not necessary at all, but I keep telling myself it is. So yeah, I totes agree. Especially considering a lot of em are just cheap grabs for views
Godzilla is one of the few Cinematic Universes that has a conclusion, not by being cancelled in any means. It did conclude with the Destroyorah movie, at least one itearation of Godzilla, tough.
Thats what i love about the Heisei Era of Godzilla
Its the only era of Godzilla that has an ending
@@lucasthehedgehog799 To be fair, the Showa Era has an ending as well. Destroy All Monsters concludes the entire Ghidorah arc and is set in the future, making it feel like a finale.
I feel like the only cinematic universe still going strong is the monsterverse, mostly because of its erratic schedule and not being connected to much, there has only 5 moves in 10 years ,plus each movie is mostly unconeccted minus one or tow plot points
And that should probably be the bench work for cinematic universe.
I would say the Sonic Movies are still going strong but they technically aren't cinematic universe
Monsterverse does a few things right. Proper World building with movie after movie, show after show preventing oversaturation by doing too many projects in a short span of time affecting quality and production, changing tones and themes with each movie. Godzilla 2014,2019 and Kong Skull island are all unique in terms of vision,tone and direction cinematography soundtrack with more seriousness. Godzilla vs Kong and GxK leaned into more wackier goofier side. That's why it's so successful
It’s called “the era of flexing one’s properties” 😅
Something I've realized when trying to tell a great story. Start simple, don't overload the audience with information early and build from there.
that's what's sonic is doing tbh
@@kao7143yess
Sometimes less is more
It's funny how radioactive lizard has arguably the second most successful cinematic universe today.
Radioactive Lizard AND Big Gorilla*
Worst thing is the people making movies nowadays seem to lack the ability to stop messing things up, they keep doing what it's obviously not working for them.
I find it funny that monster verse is still going while DCEU is death.
I think what hurts a cinematic universe is instead of of having the same writers that planned out the universe in the firsts place, the studio brings in new writers. I mean remember in spiderman home coming peter learns you dont have to be an avenger then in infinity war suddenly hes an avenger? Another instance I recall Wanda vision and multiverse of madness. Multiverse of madness pretty much ruins wanda and her sacrifice.
Right, MoM tooootally ruined Wanda "That won't change how they see me" Maximoff. It can't be that she was already bad, can it?
Also, Spider-Man learned he should stick to doing what he's doing as an independent superhero, but that's kind of irrelevant when the universe is at stake.
@@Pythagoras180ok your right but I'm right too about different writers and the fact marvel pumped out shows like no tomorrow.
@@Elvusmiw Then you have the monsterverse directors all nerding out together
Agreed they should have kept the writers who built the MCU in the first place instead they replaced them with rookie ones
Guardians 3 almost suffered the same fate when the Russos killed off Gamora in IW. Luckily Gunn was able to work around that.
I appreciate the monsterverse love! Godzilla and Kong are goated
The Problem is that it starts out well, then gets so generic and pushed that its not an event anymore, its just a forced movie with not enough time in the oven. It's clear that companies now dont care if its written good, as long as its pushed out.
I think the Monsterverse (Which is a personal Favorite) could be fixed if they fixed the writing and kept some of the human characters. Im not saying its Good or Bad, but i think that it could do better with Returning Human Characters and Not killing off monsters in their debut.
There is always problems with specific Universes, however the biggest problem is that the Companies dont see it as a "Cool Thing", they see it as a cash cow.
People can still make it a cool thing if they make things that no one done before and make it unique imo
*_"kept some of the human characters"_* As someone who is a Godzilla fan, I'd like to point out that changing humans casts from film to film is something the MonsterVerse inherited from the overall Godzilla franchise by proxy. The classic Toho films did this too, and it can be a bit of an issue sometimes.
@@MrAwsomeness360 It's funny that most humans in the monsterverse only show up for two films or less.
Why can't movies just be stand-alone movies anymore
OH WAIT, THEY CAN, AND HAVE SUCCEDED AT DOING SO
The Cinematic universe cliche has been used too much, and most fans will think they will go downhill!
When I heard Sonic was gonna be a Cinematic Universe, I really *really* hoped that meant a Sega Cinematic Universe. Meaning we would get movies based on games like Shenmue, Space Channel 5, Puyo Puyo/Madou Monogatari (since Sega has the rights to those and has been the one making those games for years), Virtua Fighter, Sakura Wars etc.
I still have a tiny sliver of hope. But I know it's not that. Its just a Sonic franchise.
I don't understand how the DCU failed so badly. The bluprint that was the cartoons Justice League and Justice League Unlimited was right there
Hollywood: -essentially becomes an extra expensive content farm-
Also Hollywood: Why don't people get invested in movies as much anymore?
Bait
i'm tired of cinematic universes
these movies
i'm tired of being caught in the connection of their plots
Dr. Manhattan 🔛🔝
Then, don't watch it then, if you don’t want to.
it was a dr manhattan misquote
i dont know why i have to explain the joke here already
@@TOSB591 Whatever, don't get it.
@@TOSB591Monsterverse failed cry
The fact that the monsterverse is peak is something I never knew I needed 15:40
i think regardless of if the sonic movies are called a cinematic universe or franchise, they seem to be building their universe quite well in the same way the monsterverse is, which is what i see a lot of people compare it to
rather than having a ton of required content to watch, you're watching self contained stories that can still link, and the way they're handling sonic movies in particular seems to be doing really well for them, and i dont think it should be highlighted as a failing "cinematic universe"
the movies are beloved, sonic 3 is probably one of the most anticipated films ever, they're box office hits and the universe is being slowly built over time rather than just shoving something like rouge, amy, the chaotix, bean, bark and metal sonic into a movie and then giving each of them a TV show
i mean hell say what you want about knuckles but it's a self contained story that isnt required to watch and i can really appreciate it, they just wanted to do a solo adventure with knuckles because he's so popular
Well said. I agree!
And now Chris Pratt is teasing a Nintendo Cinematic Universe with the future release of the Super Mario movie sequel, I can't wait for people to either roll their eyes at it or unhinge their jaw like an eldritch being at seeing Master Hand being the Thanos of it
I mean, at least it’s something I can care about. Marvel means nothing to me
Eh, I don’t think it’s going to be like that. The Mario movies are going to be their own thing and own take while keeping things seperate with the Zelda movie.
That could work in all honesty. Build up to a Super Smash Bros. movie
its gonna be straight ass but ill still watch it lol
I'm sure he just meant that they're just making movie franchises based on a bunch of Nintendo IPs, but aren't trying to make an interconnected world considering that the Zelda movie is live-action while the Mario movies are entirely animated. I mean, I know animation-live-action hybrids have been done before, but still.
I...I'm sure that's what he meant...
I’m surprised that the Godzilla MONSTERVERSE is now the most successful cinema universe as of this year. HELL YEAH 🔥🦖
Don't forget Micheal Bay was trying to set up a TRANSFORMERS CINEMATIC UNIVERSE
By the 5th movie and only two movies got off the drawing board
Misinformation it was Paramount but shutdown the group and rebooted maybe
Still part of the timeline except Transformers One.
The too much content section also points out the major issue with getting into marvel and DC comics in general
Its next to impossible for the casual man/woman to get into them cause of how interconnected they are and how big events will just have sub stories you'd have to read in order to understand anything
Its a complete mess that idk if marvel or DC can fix
Marvel actually did create a stand-alone continuity in the comics for a bit to try to mitigate this problem: The Ultimate universe. The major problem with the run is that outside of Ultimate Spider-Man, the other stories were getting critically panned. I really don't recommend the early Ultimate X-Men run.
@@leithaziz2716 yeah it didn't last and stuff from the ultimate universe like Miles eventually went over to the 616 universe
I don't think Marvel or DC can really fix that problem.
They both make attempts when they realise the continuity is so entangled even they can't keep track of it, by basically restarting the world again with a crisis event. Start the heroes over again, establish a new baseline and cut out all the confusing history. But then they add more and more events that tangle up the continuity again, so they have to reboot everything again. It also doesn't help that they keep trying to get shock from killing their characters while at the same time don't want to kill off anyone popular; this has gotten to the point that nobody expects them to stay dead. When Kamala Khan was killed, people were only wondering how long it'd take before they bring her back.
@@cybertramon0012you brought another big problem with marvel and DC comics. stagnancy they abide too much by the status quo and any change they do is only temporary, a main character just died? Boom now he's alive and well, a villain has redeemed himself and become a hero? Nope can't do that he's back being evil, Spider-Man's life is actually taking a good turn? Nah f*ck him let's have him lose the love of his life by getting cucked by a nobody. Like why am I supposed to care about these big events if they're gonna make them null in a few at best months?
@@XD-sc4ix This status quo is because the characters that people will care about are the popular ones, and since they're popular people will want to keep reading about them, so they can't let anything be permanent. Especially if life sucking is a part of their character, like Spider-Man. Hence why they got rid of his company that Otto started in his body.
I also just considered all the convoluted stuff they come up with to change and then fix characters. Like if a hero becomes evil, he'll turn out to be a double agent. Except he's actually a triple agent. Except that's just a robot double, and the real hero's been a prisoner this whole time. Except he gets killed. Except that's a clone of him, and the real real hero has been trapped in another world. Etc., etc.
Still waiting for the crossover in the Cinematic Universes Cinematic Universe. 🔥🔥
CUCU!
Huh?
It's kinda funny how The Monsterverse is the only cinematic universe that's doing fairly okay and it's because they only release a movie every few years
The DCAU has been doing pretty well
They give the cgi departments manageable workloads
@@MASTEROFEVIL No it hasn't, stop lying.
also Godzilla has technically done that Cinematif universe formula before Marvel
except they're different continuities separated by Eras
like Showa Era
Heisei Era
Millennium Era
@@lenny_boxx4206 Technically, Universal created the cinematic universe concept first with their classic monster movies. Toho refined the concept; Marvel perfected and popularized it.
Universal Studios had an interconnected universe with their monsters in the 30s-40s already. Continuity was fuzzy but they all belonged to the same reality and interacted a lot.
What's really funny about Guardians of the Galaxy 3 is that James Gunn said that if they hadn't already written Thor off the team in Love and Thunder, he still would've written it like he still wouldn't have included him. Or brought him up at all in the movie.
I'm glad to still be a big Kaiju fan and see the Monsterverse doing super well these days.
I still love Marvel and DC, but it stinks that they've been royally screwing up so much.
Not even franchises like F&F are safe from this issue, despite that one not being a CU like the DCEU and MCU.
Give the Rock credit.
He said the hierarchy of power would change forever in the DCEU.
he wasn't lying.
Gunn beats Rock, apparently LOL.
Gotta love a new cartoonshi upload
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Another thing that bugs me is when people try to connect movies that clearly weren’t connected through half-baked fan fiction passed off as “cinematic universe theories.” Did you know Boo from Monsters Inc. time traveled back to medieval Scotland and learns black magic setting up the events of Brave and the rest of Pixar’s “cinematic universe?”
Bro I need the source where is it? This is "sans is Steven from Steven universe after dying of old age and coming back to life as a skeleton through gem magic" level of dumb
totally agree. i think its sucky how it's starting to invade games too, where i see people expect a studio's new release to be tied into a previous title and whatnot
I'm glad that Deadpool & Wolverine is the only theatrical 2024 MCU film out now.
And I agree that Monsterverse is actually the better shared universe, because they DIDN'T try to copy the MCU.
I think what makes the monsterverse stand out over the rest is most likely the fact that it had a history much longer way before mcu was even a thing way longer back when toho made king kong vs godzilla 1962
It also worth mentioning warner bros had made a setup between both of them before godzilla 2014 was released and kong skull island 2017 had made a setup teasing for the next godzilla movie sequel
Remember when Warner Bros were trying to make a Hanna Barbera Cinematic Universe but they were so impatient that they jumped straight into the crossover stuff with the first movie (Scoob)?
And then how they wrote off the near-finished sequel for tax reasons?
I don't like WB is what I'm saying-
The movie flopped soo hard it crashed and burned in nuclear fire leaving only the nuclear shadow of it as a reminder that it in did infact exist
“Do not pause the video.”
Shows EFAP.
Is that a Don’t @ Me?
Before the MCU, I experienced the Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe from the 50s-70s. Cartoons like Yogi Bear, huckleberry hound, top cat, dick dastardly, quick draw mcgraw, atom ant, secret squirrel, and others. I think people overlook those classics, because they were one of the gems of cartoons.
Did anyone forget the original dark universe 30s, Freddy vs Jason vs Ash, Alien vs Predator, m night shyamalan glass cinematic universe
Congarts on 200k cartoonish love ur videos and bluntness 😂❤
It’s also worth noting that Marvel’s movies had all of its characters living in the same locations and same universe. The rules of the universe are still. For the most part, consistent. The problem with something like say a potential Nintendo Cinematic Universe is that multiple IPs are separate universes, they don’t have any interconnection or consistent rules and a majority of them don’t really have a focus on story/plot, the main component of a cinematic universe or any movie for that matter. The issues with an NCU dig deeper than just “following the Marvel formula.”
Also most Nintendo fans only wanted it for the novelty of it’s existence, not because it has strong narrative potential.
I mean Link and Samus had a cameo in mario rpg. The problem is just. The Zelda series spans 1000's of years. So the mario series might just be a tiny blip on the zelda timeline. Metroid too.
@@ghoulchan7525 Cameo doesn't equal being in the same world, Capcom does cameos all the time, PlayStation is doing the same much more recently too but none of them imply the games share the same world.
@@dragondelsur5156 the thing with Cameo's is. sometimes it is a real thing in universe. other times it's not.
@@ghoulchan7525 I was going to go on an entire tangent about how Nintendo's series overlap each other timeline wise, but I think it's easier to say that a cinematic universe wouldn't be possible given the circumstances of each series. The cameos are just pure fun on the developers part, again, PlayStation and Capcom do that all the time. Marvel has it easier than most because their heroes already share a universe, Thor is immortal and Captain America was in a freezer for decades. Nintendo doesn't have that privilege, Mario already overlaps itself with Pokemon because of how obsessed everyone is with the creatures in that series.
People want a "Nintendo Cinematic Universe", but do only because of the novelty.
Honestly i have been watching your content for a couple year (4 or more) and i just want to say how proud i am of you and how much you have grown and improved
If you think modern cinematic universes are getting out of hand, just keep in mind that ToHo started it's own.
Godzilla 1954, Rodan 1956, Varan 1958, and Mothra 1961. Three crossed over in 1964 and one was forgotten to time, only having a few seconds of screentime as a background kaiju.
A Shame really because Varan is such a Cool kaiju
Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!
As a Monster-verse fan, it makes me happy to see it’s pretty much the only universe aside from sonic (which doesn’t even count) that’s doing well.
Love your content as always Shi
Honestly, with the MonsterVerse, it is doing something right even with the TV shows. Currently it only has two but their philosophy for the shows is that they are like spice to a dish. They help add context or deepen the show's lore a lil bit but they are not at all necessary watches for the main films.
Some fans would argue that the comics are also necessary but tbh that's only for ultra nerds (like me). That aside, the films can indeed be enjoyed without having to read all the comics or graphic novels or TV shows which allows the viewer to watch or read them at their leisure if they wanted
For some reason, Kamen Rider is now going through something similar to Marvel. For Gotchard, you have to now watch:
-Gotchard, the TV show
-Gotchard vs. Legend
-Gotchard and Geats' crossover movie
-Kamen Rider Outsiders (Which also requires you to have watched a lot of other series to understand what the fuck the series is.)
-Kamen Rider Decade
-Kamen Rider Zi-O (Both because you have to understand Legend's backstory, and why he is, you know, using past Rider powers, AND you have to understand that Decade is fucking dead for Outsiders)
-Probably more when the summer movie happens.
Just to get a BASIC idea of the timeline.
That's also not mentioning how Decade and Zi-O need you to have an understanding of Heisei phase 1 and 2 Kamen Riders, respectively.
Other than say Majade's first transformation you don't really need to watch anything outside the crossover movie with Geats.
If you removed the recent Legend content from the main story you wouldn't be missing much since as of now it doesn't have a big impact on Gotchard's plot.
Outsiders is it's own side thing for people who are already caught up and isn't mandatory to watch for needed context in Gotchard.
Kamen Rider Decade was made to attract newcomers into getting interested in the previous seasons of heisei phase one. It's only recommended in the fanbase to watch all of phase 1 just to better appreciate the callbacks, cameos, and alterations made for the AR worlds.
Zio is an anniversary season and the last of the heisei era. Naturally, the big finale will be paying tribute to the entire era.
Everything outside the yearly rider season is side content and they have been doing crossovers for years with other riders, with sentai and other toku franchises.
At bare minimum, you won't be losing anything of importance by not watching outsiders from the single cameo of Zein that serves nothing to the main plot of Gotchard.
You don't need to watch the brave special, the snipe prequel, Chou Super hero taisen, or Kamen Sentai Gorider to appreciate Ex-aid's main story, and the same goes for majority of rider seasons
Kamen Rider has always been connected tho, no? Even then, every series besides Decade and Zi-O is self contained. The crossover stuff is usually reserved for the side content, like the movies where multiple riders team up.
5:07 It has been clearly stated( in the mid 10s) that they planned to make a Sinister Six movie. The Amazing Spider-Man 3 was intended to be the Sinister Six movie. Venom was always going to happen because Avi Arad wanted Venom to appear on the big screen, likely due to merchandising reasons.
The Marvel & DC cinematic universes went down in flames & only the MonsterVerse staying strong! The Dark Universe was the biggest failure of a universe!
Flames is a strong word.
I don't mind Sonic having a cinematic universe, because there are endless Sonic storylines and characters to work with. Honestly I'll give it a pass as long as it means we get a PG-13 rated Shadow the Hedgehog movie with guns and sentences randomly interjected with mild cursing like "where's that DAMN fourth chaos emerald"
Honestly even though I know Jim Carrey has retired i just hope they bring back Robotnick at some point
@@XD-sc4ix He's signed on to Sonic 3.
@@metal6948 then I sure hope Eggman is alive
I love that Gunn will launch the new DCU right at the time everyone got sick of cinematic universes
With the current Godzilla series being brought up reminded me how the showa era of Godzilla did the MCU arc decades ago. Started off with multiple stand alone characters and stories who eventually crossed over in ghidorah the three headed monster. Had a few more solid outings and a endgame with destroy all monsters. Then steadily fell off with the over saturation of movies and having shows be connected like zone fighter. Eventually causing toho to stop because it became unprofitable even after trying to save it by bringing back ishiro Honda and akira ifukube for terror of mechagodzilla.
Oh shit 200k congrats
In my teenage years, I used to watch almost every movie that came out of the MCU. Now, after all the other Movie universes as we as MCU one becoming a mess, I simply give up. It truly became not only tiering, but also it was simply too much. Some stories can be made over and over again, but sometimes people simply must ask themselves when to stop.
Mess is a bit of an exaggeration.
I am not tired of the concept of shared universes, its just that a l lot of them have not been executed great lately.
The current state of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is what people _think_ Kingdom Hearts is.
Impossible to follow.
Bait
@@lazyvoid7107
What now?
Not really sure if it's THAT hard.
Happy national creativity day!
Thanks for creating your content, it's some of the most enjoyable and entertaining media that I've consumed. We genuinely appreciate your work man, have a good day!
I would also like to thank...
- Directors that just wanted to make their OC project happen and picked the 'Character qwerk' they could find closes to it
- Telling folks to read the source material, weather or not they actually made a carbon copy of said material or just fudged around it to get their 'Passion project off the ground'
- The insane amount of directors picked for a lot of these not fitting the tone that was set
- Never establishing a through tone and relying on 'Twists' or 'Gags' to fix troubled scripts/Dead space
- And Sudden Agenda changes that cause re-writes as far as the Bill can stretch~
Honestly it's sad, a lot more then nought, Multiple movies are now drowning in their own [REDACTED] due to trying to tie things all together, but theirs's no plan for it, or they can't sign Directors/Actors/VA 's/Writers on for as long as these studios 'THINK' a project will take, these aren't Video games where it's abit simpler to make them connect together (Especially just like with movies you ACTUALLY planed something out for that length of time, from the beginning and didn't try to 'stick it in after the fact') but we're getting series started with Titular characters left out due to Lincsing or just cause folks want to play with the 'Cool one' even though that one needs the other 'Boring' character to be included. Soon enough we'll have someone try to get a Vegeta Movie off the ground, without Saiyan's involved and somewhere he'll yell being the Prince of all Saiyan's but they forgot to establish any of that.
The thing with cinematic universes is that they require A LOT of planning ahead from schedule, and the ability to adapt to sudden changes should something go south. Marvel understood this and they left their phase 1 movies be independent films first and parts of a complete saga second, the build up to Avengers was unexpected and earned because of this approach. Obviously the more it grew, the more it limited the writers, but the fact they had actual time to plan was a given, even if some movies gradually started to lose quality. Disney+ is a curse to this approach, because now aside from having an entire universe already set in stone, they have to work 10 times faster because of the mouse's demands.
I'm honestly glad that the cinematic universe trend started to die, but now the hip new thing is videogame adaptations because of the Sonic movies (thank god Sony didn't decide to kickstart a fucking PlayStation Cinematic Universe, ain't that right Chris Pratt?).
Curse?
What about Chris Pratt?
I'm not only to the point of being tired of cinematic universes, which I've never been fond of because why spoil the story of one group by enmeshing them with a completely different world and vibe, but sequels too. They're pretty much never as good as they ought to be and instead often ruin the first movie or series, while giving everyone the "well it's canon so you have to acknowledge it" NO I DONT, AND YOU CAN'T MAKE ME.
Like even batman vs superman, kong vs godzilla, stuff like that - I get it, it's fun, but also doesn't make any goddamn sense. Why are we pitting two characters that may as well be from other worlds against each other in an actual movie? That's something you save for reddit boards, ao3, tumblr, youtube. Not actual canon.
@aff77141 GVK didn't failed so
@@aff77141 And now Godzilla and Kong are best buds :)
@@aff77141soo who's gonna tell him that Godzilla vs king kong has been a thing since the early 60s? Also batman and superman have always existed in the same universe what are you talking about?
“sonic 3 better have shadow the hedgehog jump through the screen and blow me off if you have that kind of confidence.”
joke’s on you, a…..CONCERNING amount of people are into that shit.
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It’s also the fact that it’s not really a mystery anymore to where the movies are now going, Marvel literally showed everyone what their making and now it’s just “wait till secret wars that’s when it’ll all pay off” type of deal.
It’s funny how the Monsterverse managed to become successful by releasing one project every 2 to 3 years.
dc* not giving a shit about what ezra miller has done is batshit insane
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@@abiodunsulaiman2297 ah thanks
FR Ezra Miller should be locked in alcatraz's isolation cells for life the dude would unironically barge into your house and shoot you just because he wanted a sandwich and he didn't feel like buying it at a store or something
Cinematic Universes are amazing and In my opinion the only thing keeping cinemas alive. I’m very excited for the future of cinematic universes
Dear Hollywood,
One good movie now would be better than the promise of ten bad movies in the future.
Sincerely, All of Humanity.
I think the DCEU's biggest problem is that their characters have PERFECT arcs and motivations in the comics and animated shows-they just have a really hard time adapting those characters to live action for some reason (Ex: Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, etc.)
Ngl, I love the cinematic universes ❤ it's always fun to see how creative they can get in that universe✨️
The only reasons I’m interested in the new DC universe is 1: I really like James Gunn’s work and feel he has a good grasp on character which could be a good guiding hand. And 2: I feel it could be different from Marvels flavor of style. I still like superhero movies, but I want something different and maybe this could offer it. Who knows, maybe they take a more isolated approach that focused on different types of movies that experiment more than Marvel is comfortable with. But aside from Gunn’s Superman, which I am very excited for, this is still a wait and see prospect both because it could not work out or WB could halt it for tax bullshit or something. Aside from this prospect though, yeah I completely agree with your sentiments here. Even as someone who was willing to just pick and choose a few project to follow with Marvel, I just haven’t been interested by much since so much either feels like more of the same or interesting ideas that got watered down by the production mandates and rushed deadlines.
I mean, you said it all that is needed. Well done once again
Well, I have a feeling that these Cinematic Universe's are only going to become more common.
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Quality and keeping budgets and expectations under control is key.
Here's my thoughts: If The Mummy(1999) started the so-called Universal Monsters Cinematic Universe, it would've predated the MCU by 11 years. Hell, Universal's Monsters IP is nearly a century old since it was an interconnected world establishing notorious but iconic characters such as Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster(and not Frankenstein, you dud), The Wolfman, Creature of the Black Lagoon, The Mummy, The Invisible Man, and so on. They would've actually nailed the 'cinematic universe' trend first, with Marvel rushing in upon more successful films made after The Mummy's 1999 remake trilogy, and the cult-classic Van Helsing. I even find the Dark Universe to be wasted potential as well, due to the reasons above. The 2017 Mummy adaption was so mediocre, the ideas on the connected films were abandoned after. Universal hasn't touched this concept since, and have made good movies based on either side-characters or indie productions of their classics such as the 2021 Invisible Man, 2023's Renfield, and so on.
Also for the Monsterverse, I hope Legendary could get Toho's permission to add Jet Jaguar, Biollante, Gigan, Hedorah, and other kaiju, which means more audiences of tokusatsu or the Godzilla franchise can be brought in due to this amount of fanservice. Seems like a plausible idea, so I'm not the only person who thought the same. Toku fans on social media have the same high hopes so the Monsterverse would peak even further. Marvel should really realize their mistakes as of now.
Monsterverse did in fact avoid the oversaturation problem
that being where the movies release schedule go from 2 to 3 yeara apart
Also the tv shows like monarch and the skull island cartoon are completely optional you don't need to watch them to understand the later movies despite both being prequels
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I'm at least glad this was a trend that required talent and hard work to set up. When they tried rushing it like TASM or Dark Universe, they died quickly.
The MCU put in the work and earnt the love of general audiences, it's pretty much why their films are still making money, I'm hoping the same happens for the Monsterverse and DCU
The monsterverse is just chugging along
And every time a new mv movie comes out it’s an event while a new marvel movie is another slop
Slop seems like an exaggeration.
@@dylansharp8471 look at the marvels and quantemania
@@dylansharp8471it is not anymore. Look at secret invasion,the Marvels and she hulk
I feel like the only CU that I feel still works has to be the monsterverse. It isn’t overly expansive and is very grounded. Literally. They have their monsters and they can do whatever they want with them. If they want they can add more new creatures. It doesn’t bloat the story by keeping its plot holes open but not disrupting the main storyline. The only CU that hasn’t made me feel like I was eating cold burgers in a dumpster being held at gunpoint.
The only thing that's gonna drag me back into the MCU is if they go back to what made it work, make actual meaningful stories, and release only 1 or 2 products a year so the average human can process it OR if they make a good doctor doom. Preferably Both.
"make actual meaningful stories"
Excuse me?
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I really hope you make a video about Yakuza someday. I know it wouldn't get much views but I'd love to hear your extended thoughts about the series!
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Yup, 100% agree. On an unrelated note, I recently redownloaded Unbeatable white label and, though the controls took some getting used to, I've managed to clear some unbeatable difficulty tracks. (I owe that to experience with friday night funkin tho lol)
To be honest, a Sega cinematic universe uniting Sonic, Alex Kidd, Golden Axe, Shinobi, Streets of Rage, Virtua Fighter, Shemue, Yakuza and other franchises like those woundn't be a bad idea if well executed. Same goes for Nintendo. The problem is that movie studios these days don't want to build upon every single separate franchise before creating the crossover movie, they just want MCU's box office success right now.