Good stuff as always. I would have liked to have seen what the buckshot rounds did to a visor, and see the visor condition from the perspective of the wearer after the first shot. Is it completely fucked for visibility or what.
@Elliot Torres if you can land your shot absolutely, issue in real life though is that the spread on a shotgun is very low unless they are 50 meters + so if its not an auto or semi auto shotgun your probably dead if you miss.
Anyone watching this vid in 2021, Flechette has had a slight buff since this video. It is now more accurate, it only has -10% accuracy compared to last wipe where it was -25%
@@Brisingrr_ if they are at distance of more than 30 metres or so, then yeah, it's the accuracy de-buff screwing with ya. If it's closer, it could be that your aim was slightly off or that you just got hella unlucky with the accuracy de-buff
@@klearnius They argue that all the darts need to hit with flechette, but don't argue that if you missed with ap20 you do 0 damage? 25+ meters, Id pick ap20, factory or reserve and moving in buildings, flechette. Take the right tool for the right job
I main saiga with flechettes since the middle of the last wipe. the only setback in the beginning of this wipe was the 3rd level of woodman relationships to buy the juce.
Same here, its super OP IMO. I just point at the general direction and spam. Headshot, bodyshot even legshot don't matter, people just drop super fast. Its how shotguns should be, the King of CQB.
I've had a lot of success lately just trying to knock out tasks with a Saiga I took off a raider. I started to see that I was doing better when I had run through the AP 20 he had on him and had replaced it with flachette. 10 shots of semi auto flachette means even with my potato skill I can take people down.
personally i think the pellet spread is actually a banefit in alot of cases in tarkov, unless youre going to be sniping the spread will help u get lucky headshots, thats why i perfer fletch over ap
Spread is really the intended purpose of shotgun to begin with. Why would you use slugs at all when you could just run a 308 or other high caliber, higher range, higher capacity rifle, all at a cheaper cost instead??
I really like the magnum round. It spreads quite nicely, meaning you can get easy face shots (if they dont wear face shield). I used to use AP-20 but the cost is more and I had weaker results with it.
I absolutely hate shotguns in tarkov(and most other games), but when i have needed to use a shotgun i have always found that flechette does a better job than ap-20 for me. Ive killed countless pmc's with it, but with ap-20 targets i hit just never seem to die due to hitting arms when going for the chest.
If you hit them in the arms 4 times they will die to flesh damage. Maybe you are just missing your shots. I usually headshot with ap20 as the slug is a huge projectile wich makes headshot a lot easier.
I agree. Arms get in the way of thorax too much and bullets never pen through properly at this current time. Close engagements with fletchette are an ez clap because 2-3 blasts to the arms will usually be enough to kill. Unless you can line the shot up with shotgun rounds to the head, just always aim at legs or center-mass when getting into engagements and you'll be shocked at the results.
As a heavy shotgun user, while AP-20 and flechette sound very tempting, I find magnum buckshot + superperformance slugs to be the best ammunition for shotguns. Firstly, in a real engagement, a shotgun user will need to have the drop on a player, meaning they're initiating, in order to have the most success. Simply said, reactive fire is typically ineffective from a shotgun perspective, due to the lower rate of fire, lower accuracy, and typically lower magnifying sights. If you're caught off-guard, you're probably dead. My argument for the hollowpoint superperformance is the budget price + high damage. Ideally you can use RIP slugs but their recoil is quite high, the speed is significantly lower, the accuracy is lower, and the damage difference is negligible since most of the damage is reduced when hitting blacked-out legs, I will discuss this point later. The strategy for using 8.5 magnum + superperformance is this: since you are typically initiating fights, in a winning scenario with a shotgun, your chambered round should be the slug. One shot to the legs will typically halt a player in his tracks, giving you a HUGE amount of time to set up a kill shot for yourself. The Magnum buckshot sits in the rest of your magazine and serves largely as a backup round in the case you aren't able to have a quick followup, need a good way to suppress a hallway, or as a way of inaccurately taking a shot but still having a high possibility of hitting something. Their ability to one shot the face is huge, as it is with any buckshot, but also there is an additional factor people do not consider, especially with the latest changes: heavy and light bleed chances. Although RIP rounds do give a very good, 40%, light bleed chance, the heavy bleed sits at a 20%. This is important since heavy bleeds are quite brutal to med supplies if there's no hemostat/tourniquet. It also forces the player to promptly to react to it due to the deadly nature of it. The combination of superperformance with magnum buckshot basically allows the player to suppress the victim in terms of blood loss, constantly reapplying bleeds if needed or just flat out killing the person with leg meta/arm meta. Not even mentioning arm meta yet, nor the possibility of having both light&heavy bleeds, nor the possibility of having multiple bleeds on limbs from multiple buckshot hit locations, nor the extreme effectiveness on scavs, nor the effect of hitting legs with a hollowpoint slug, an arm shot with the slug can also be quite a deadly possibility. My $0.02, AP20 requires high amount of accuracy to the chest/face, which is just flat out not possible and still requires repeated hits when dealing with stronger armors. Why not go for something that's consistent across the board, something that doesn't exactly rely on your ability to aim?
@@cheyhey2170 bleed is not viable for killing people. bleed possibly could kill somebody if you exhaust all their meds which is possible if you keep a distance, however this is not so common. instead i propose that a bleed instead lets you position yourself against the enemy so that you can get a killing blow on the enemy. bleed the enemy, flank, shoot a kiillign blow shot at the enemy when they least expect it. bleed is viable, just not as pure damage. however if the enemy decides to not treat it with a hemostat, it will cause plenty of damage. so the point is most times, then enemy opts to deal with the heavy bleed usually as soon as possible, this gives you time to flank. i've pulled it off numerous times on open maps with range, you don't need bleeds at closer range since superperformance + magnum is a two shot kill or just two magnums.
Why run slugs, its just a worse rifle round. I run magnum and go fir head / stomach or flechette if going to a place i think there are going to be a lot of faceshields
6.5 express is definitely the best if you are going for head, eyes. Each pellet does just enough damage to one shot and it has 9 pellets instead of 8 like the other buckshots. Also the faster shot travel and lower recoil help with trying to hit head, eyes. My favorite is the flachette because you can catch a chad off guard and aim center mass to rip him apart.
@VodkaHellstorm Yep people don't get that, if the pellet does 35 damage, as soon as you lose even 1 point of damage to drop off..its not a 1 pellet kill anymore..
.50 BMG in a shotgun round is really bad IRL. I remember seing a test of it and the projectile had a really hard time going straight, it quite literally flipped sideways, so it's understandable that the pen value would be bad.
The thing everyone forgets is 12Ga is appx 73 Cal, so you're firing a projectile that's 2/3 the size of your bore, of course it's going to be as accurate as a blunderbuss.
Flechette's spread is actually an upside instead lf a downside with thw shotgun buffs. Since theyre separate projectiles, you dont have ro perfectly aim at your enemy to hit. This is amazing when doing extremely quick peeks and firing befire going for cover. This allows near instantaneous peeks that dont require high precision*
Flechette is definitely what I want in factory or any close range engagements. But I almost always use ap-20 for anything else, such as the tasks on woods etc.
@@captjc4415 At 50-75m on woods, buckshot is still reliable vs scavs. You will obviously need to shoot more because many of the pellets will miss, but some will also hit if your aim is a bit off, so it's not all bad.
I really love using flechette and movement to outplay my opponents. The spread is a little bit more than most 12/70 ammo so if you're not 100% on target they are still going to get hurt. And also with both high flesh and high pen it's great against a various range of targets as long as you stay away from those long range battles. It's also great as a tactical tool. When I just want to extract I might shoot 1 or 2 rounds at an enemy and then run away, almost being positive that I've incapacitated them in one way or another from pursuing me. Flechette + the high ergo, high accuracy of the mossberg shotgun makes the accuracy penalty is not that noticeable. I don't see a lot of people talking about how inaccurate most shotguns feel at most ranges. Mossberg is the most consistent one for me and I know exactly how it will handle. Not having to fight to much RNG in the gun mechanics makes the gunplay a lot more predictable.
Flechette hands down. If I'm in any sort of gunfight less than 50m or so, I don't want to have to worry about maybe needing to hit the target with 3 or 4 direct chest shots with the AP-20 if they have good armor. Better to just unload with a saiga.
I'd argue flechette is better at very close range, but AP20 is more flexible, especially at further ranges. Personally I'd rather know I can hit targets far away (because let's be honest, unless you're in factory you won't get to decide how far away your targets are half the time) and close up.
Flechette does seem very good for anything close but in many cases on Woods, Shoreline, Customs in the outside areas you'd be better off with AP-20 I'd think. Maybe good idea to take a long range rifle, or maybe 5-7, along when using flechette on those long distance maps?
@@clamum I agree that on those maps, AP20 may be suited for more situations, but I also think it comes down to playstyle. If I have flechette, I will be doing my best to not peek or give angles at long range, I.E. flank on the back side of a hill to close the distance, play indoors, hug cover, etc. What you said about a rifle is nice too - sometimes early wipe it combos well with a barebones/scoped mosin just in case
Ive been an AP20 girl for a while but I'm definitely gonna bring flechette more often when I intend to get close up. Might also consider bringing a pistol as ranged backup when I do.
Ap-20 is fun but flechette if I really want to just push aggressive. Ap-20 might as well just use a dmr at that point if you want to snipe. Hell the 366 vepr makes more sense when you increase the range
Thing is that silenced shotguns barely make any sound when firing them so you can drop people from range and they won't have clue where shots are coming from if it takes multiple.
What is the best ammo for shooting sprinting targets at range? I.e. which bullets travel the fastest/need the least amount of lead/have the least drop? Do bullets lose pen power over distance/are they more likely to fragment at extreme ranges vs inside 100m? How big of a difference is a 3+moa rifle vs a sub-moa (260mm m4 vs say a FAL) for spread cone? Is moa accuracy implemented correctly in Tarkov?
Saiga with flechette looks pretty scary even from a distance If you miss with a slug you do 0 dmg but the spread is surely going to catch your armor legs and arms if not even kill you which is another consideration, you don't need to be as accurate and you can just peak and shoot unlike using slugs where you have to take your time to aim...
AP 20 is for the ranged engagements, whilst Flechette is the CQB. It's always satisfying to kill those juiced out M4 users in Factory with Flechette lol! 20g for next test?
Have you ever tested alternating rounds? Like shredding the armour with a flechette and following up with a round that does the maximum damage to soft tissue. Something like RIP.
I like the Poleva-6u slug, its accessible early and does decent overall. Flechette and 6.5 are also a decent early choice. I find the FTX are also comparable to the Poleva-6u slugs.
Forgot one thing.. Express buckshot have a chance to NOT onetap head (35 DMG vs 35 health)... Just a distance can make it... In this way 7mm or 5.25 are way better than express for anything like 10-15 meters and more.
To everybody saying "Yeah AP20 is the best" Why exactly are you running a shotgun? SNB does the exact same job, M80 does the Job. Cheaper, with more range, higher mag capacity. You're paying twice the Amount for something that can fail to pen class 4 Armor and sacrficing either Full Auto or Mag Capacity.
Exactly! Its really dumb. if i choose to use a shotgun im using flechette and magnum buck because when I shoot a shotgun, I want it to fulfill its actual intended purpose of spreading out over a target...
You say SNB and M80 do the same job, but you forget that they dont even have half the damage of AP-20. AP-20 still inflicts massive damage with shots that dont hit center mass where as SNB and M80 will take more than twice the amount of shots to do the same.
Good to see the in depth analysis, could you add a price check to each one? Obviously it wouldn't be 100% but it's be neat to see for example the roubles difference between flechette and AP-20
@@tetohamaroo True but iirc AP20 is like level 4 which isn't quick, idk what flechette is , so it'd be kinda neat to see imo for some late game trader stuff.
@@Usernameneverseen Flechette is level 3 Jaeger for 77rub. Ap 20 is lvl 4 for 196rub. Flechette never sells in black market, yet ap20 always sells for 850rub a shell on there. Workbench in hideout makes 120 ap-20 shells for one red gunpowder and one Hard drive. Sorry if ur new bro. Jaeger is a shit to level up but it isnt too hard since most of his missions require killing scavs early. The later ones are so rough. Will take me a whole day to finish one since im bad lol. gl
Depends the map if it is customs I will pack ap 20 and have flechette in my pocket and factory ill have flechette and no ap 20 most other maps the same as customs
Been using saiga a lot this wipe. Magnum buck is my go to for taking off faces or legs. If I wanted to use ap20 why wouldn’t I just use an actual gun for one projectile. For me flechette is super inconsistent, I’ve never really liked using it
From when I first took a quick look at the ammo charts, flechet seemed like a no brainer right away, never really got the AP20 hype. I mean yes, you get the extended distance, but you also need to nail all your shots which is easier said than done, and why even use a shotty at that point? With flechet you might not land all the rounds, but you can also "miss" and still land some hits, much easier to spam, especially if you're aiming at a group of players. Glad to see the testing more or less lined up with what I thought.
You missed the perfect leg meta sniping meme, the SF slug with the top of the class 4.0 moa and a possible to tap to leg since it has 220 dmg and only 439 is needed. Bonus meme: muzzle velocity is higher than 762x39s when fired from modded 153s.
But what about superformance? It has 220 damage while a PMC has 440 health. Should be enough to two-shot a leg unless the game does some rounding shenanigans. That coupled with its insane accuracy bonus can make it a better RIP, not to mention they can be bought from traders unlike RIPs.
So my question is, do I shoot armor or go for leg meta? I try to shoot in the chest/head area but it doesnt seem like I can kill people(maybe im just bad at aiming in this particular game). I use AP-20 and magnum buckshots, I guess I will have to try flechette and expresso nespresso rounds as well...
Try Flechette you don't need to worry about where you aim. Just point at the general direction and spam. Ain't got to be that accurate as well, you gonna rekt limps, armor and head.
Just to let ya know, I think from my recollection people have tried 50 bmg in a shotgun shell, and the main problem is the lack of normal 50bmg amounts of powder in the shell, and the lack of a rifled barrel, it sucks ass at penetration.
What's really dumb with AP-20, however, is I was one tapped with it through my altyn. I don't understand it myself. In the health screen is showed one count of damage from it and that was literally all the damage I had from the raid. I heard one shot as well so I doubt it glitched. Legit one tapped through level 5, I feel that to some extent AP-20 has it's own bugs and manages to pen higher tier armors.
i've always loved flechette, but after a few situations where I was dumping my mag onto scavs 20 feet away, not being able to kill them, I gave up on it. i get 1 tapped by buckshot from 50 feet away, I would've thought that after 9 rounds or so, i'd be able to whittle down their naked ass head for the kill with flechette, but it rarely happens lol.
Just got killed by a pistol pmc with armor when using flechette, I got 17 dart hits on him and did almost 400 damage and I lost the fight lol, flechette can definitely let u down whereas slugs are just down to whether or not you can actually hit without any spread aiding you
Protip, dont use flechette at long range? Lol its accuracy is shit, and it can’t even 1 tap the head with a single pellet, using it for cqc only is a given
@@tirushone6446 That was true then, but there have been a lot of patches since. Have a look at the ballistics table on the wiki, I'm pretty sure it still has better pen and enough dmg for 1 chest tap for cheaper.
Just now I dropped a guy with full killa helmet and that lvl 5 armor rig, using nothing but a Saiga with 20 round drum filled with 6.5mm buckshot. I'd like to say I leg meta'd him, but I panicked and spammed fire center mass. So I technically arm meta'd him. The armor was undamaged, which is the best part.
0:49 7mm Buckshot leg shots 1:02 Express Buckshot leg shots 1:09 Magnum leg shots 1:18 RIP slug leg shots 1:36 Express Buckshot armor test 3:12 Dual Sabot armor test 4:29 .50 BMG slug armor test 5:08 .50 BMG vs Flechette armor test 5:28 Flechette armor test 6:51 .50 BMG vs Flechette shots to kill 7:12 AP-20 armor test 8:18 AP-20 vs Flechette 8:36 AP-20 Visor test 9:11 Flechette Visor test 9:38 Leg meta rounds 10:09 Express vs Buckshot spread test 11:33 Flechette vs AP-20 spread test
Magnum buckshot in the saiga I havnt found to be to great, but in some situations, you can absolutely shred juice boy squads. Also good to know flechette is decent.
GJ in testing it, I love to use a modded saiga with just 82 vetical recoil, flashlight and drummag. this gun is insane in close combat, still decent on medium range if i get a few hits on the target. But I would like to see, on which distance the fleshdamage/armor damage of those flechette are going down. Is it possible to kill a person from a distance of 100 meters through thorax?
@@robertdover5185 Yeah, true. A well modded out shotgun makes it a lot easier though especially if you do hit them in the legs, they can't exactly move much anymore. My gripe with going for armor is that RIP slug isn't supposed to be a kill round: too much reliance on your own accuracy, you need the drop on the enemy, etc... If you want that, just go with magnum buckshot you have a much higher chance to headshot a guy or causing him to bleed or just leg meta him if close.
Actually, .50 BMG slug shoild be like worst ammo since the 12.7 round does not actually fly in the air as we expected. It tumbles and spinning while flying the air so it can't really do a damage to armor irl. Shooting 50 bmg 12gauge rounds to armor is like throwing rocks to steel.
The .50 BMG round that we see in Tarkov is not an actual full on .50 BMG bullet. The actual piece of metal that is being sent down range is a cut off of the normal boat tail bullet design. While you certainly can put a full .50 BMG bullet in a shotgun shell, if you go online to look that up, you'll see quickly that the bullet extends further than the plastic shell. You can load that in a shotgun via the breech, but you can't load it into the magazine safely. While of course this is a video game, and most of this doesn't mean too much because as a video game, the mechanics are completely made up, I felt like I should explain it, because it is an important distinction. Its why the description for the round is the way it is. Someone is just cutting a bullet in half and stuffing it in a shotgun shell.
Just got 17 hits on an armored pistoleer PMC with flechette (with like 3 or 4 chest shots), did 370 dmg and only like 120 was absorbed by armor, before he shot me through my helmet. It was a good fight but I kept waiting for the flechette to do its job and it failed me lol
My suggestion: go for hollowpoint slugs for initiating fights or disabling their movement with a shot to their legs and magnum buckshot for finishing/doing huge amounts of damage to the enemy.
I kill Killa quite reliably with 2-3 AP-20, the downside his mask is always 0-roed. I generally I go for 5Flech+5AP-20 (in saiga 10 round mag) and I almost never seen person surviving, even if I miss 2-3.
Most of my engagements are close range anyways, so flechette is king in my book. I always said if they made the view on scopes better for shotguns, I'd be sniping with AP-20s 😎
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What's your favourite shotgun round?
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AP20 is my baby, 1/2 shot fat boys from distance is funny
Good stuff as always. I would have liked to have seen what the buckshot rounds did to a visor, and see the visor condition from the perspective of the wearer after the first shot. Is it completely fucked for visibility or what.
Using flechettes until I get jaeger to lev 4 then ap20. Always use flechette in factory for close range
8.5 magnum is the real deal
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At least tarkov's buckshot spread is not like other games where the effective range is like 0.5 meters
Lucky to get half a meter in some games. If the person isn't choking on the barrel in most games shotguns are shit
buckshot in most games are made from a magical metal that disintegrates after being in the air for 0.5 of a second
I know it’s unrealistic but in arena shooters where the average range of engagement is well within 1 tap range, that shit would just be op AF
@Elliot Torres if you can land your shot absolutely, issue in real life though is that the spread on a shotgun is very low unless they are 50 meters + so if its not an auto or semi auto shotgun your probably dead if you miss.
well it would be broken to make shotguns realistic but make rifles take 10 shots to kill lol
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Anyone watching this vid in 2021, Flechette has had a slight buff since this video. It is now more accurate, it only has -10% accuracy compared to last wipe where it was -25%
Thanks for that
How does accuracy even work? Are those shots that I could swear I hit just the inaccuracy chance doing its thing?
@@Brisingrr_ if they are at distance of more than 30 metres or so, then yeah, it's the accuracy de-buff screwing with ya. If it's closer, it could be that your aim was slightly off or that you just got hella unlucky with the accuracy de-buff
Thank you sir.
AP20 is always my go to, but good to know that flachette is so comprable
At lvl 4 Jaeger might as well just go AP20
flachette inst comparable you have to under stand that if you only hit one dart to the head it inst going to kill them
I understand that is with all darts hitting, but if I'm running factory and it's all cqb, then I may as well take flachette
@@klearnius They argue that all the darts need to hit with flechette, but don't argue that if you missed with ap20 you do 0 damage? 25+ meters, Id pick ap20, factory or reserve and moving in buildings, flechette. Take the right tool for the right job
This is how I see it. AP-20 for slugs and flechette for buckshot
I main saiga with flechettes since the middle of the last wipe. the only setback in the beginning of this wipe was the 3rd level of woodman relationships to buy the juce.
Same here, its super OP IMO. I just point at the general direction and spam. Headshot, bodyshot even legshot don't matter, people just drop super fast. Its how shotguns should be, the King of CQB.
Stop it, now everyone knows.
I also prefer flechete because it 1 shots scavs, when ap doesn't
I've had a lot of success lately just trying to knock out tasks with a Saiga I took off a raider. I started to see that I was doing better when I had run through the AP 20 he had on him and had replaced it with flachette. 10 shots of semi auto flachette means even with my potato skill I can take people down.
How do you deal with the leg meta Luger CCI + PP-91's? I get dropped in 2-3 bullets and they shoot way faster than the shotguns.
personally i think the pellet spread is actually a banefit in alot of cases in tarkov, unless youre going to be sniping the spread will help u get lucky headshots, thats why i perfer fletch over ap
Spread is really the intended purpose of shotgun to begin with. Why would you use slugs at all when you could just run a 308 or other high caliber, higher range, higher capacity rifle, all at a cheaper cost instead??
I really like the magnum round. It spreads quite nicely, meaning you can get easy face shots (if they dont wear face shield). I used to use AP-20 but the cost is more and I had weaker results with it.
I absolutely hate shotguns in tarkov(and most other games), but when i have needed to use a shotgun i have always found that flechette does a better job than ap-20 for me. Ive killed countless pmc's with it, but with ap-20 targets i hit just never seem to die due to hitting arms when going for the chest.
why hate shotguns?
If you hit them in the arms 4 times they will die to flesh damage. Maybe you are just missing your shots. I usually headshot with ap20 as the slug is a huge projectile wich makes headshot a lot easier.
The thing with AP20s is they work even when at abit of range. With flachettes you gotta stay pretty close so the darts dont miss your target.
I agree. Arms get in the way of thorax too much and bullets never pen through properly at this current time. Close engagements with fletchette are an ez clap because 2-3 blasts to the arms will usually be enough to kill. Unless you can line the shot up with shotgun rounds to the head, just always aim at legs or center-mass when getting into engagements and you'll be shocked at the results.
@@TwiggehTV thats why you really only use flechettes on customs and factory
Personaly I love flechette. They absolutely shred.
Factory flechette
Ap20 everything else
Your missing out, flechette rips in dorms
@@kranck9816 dorms is a wasteland
why do people prefer flechettes over magnum?
@@NEprimo you can go for head/body cus flechettes have armor pen and magnum does not
@@NEprimo plus flechettes is like a shotgun nail gun
As a heavy shotgun user, while AP-20 and flechette sound very tempting, I find magnum buckshot + superperformance slugs to be the best ammunition for shotguns. Firstly, in a real engagement, a shotgun user will need to have the drop on a player, meaning they're initiating, in order to have the most success. Simply said, reactive fire is typically ineffective from a shotgun perspective, due to the lower rate of fire, lower accuracy, and typically lower magnifying sights. If you're caught off-guard, you're probably dead.
My argument for the hollowpoint superperformance is the budget price + high damage. Ideally you can use RIP slugs but their recoil is quite high, the speed is significantly lower, the accuracy is lower, and the damage difference is negligible since most of the damage is reduced when hitting blacked-out legs, I will discuss this point later.
The strategy for using 8.5 magnum + superperformance is this: since you are typically initiating fights, in a winning scenario with a shotgun, your chambered round should be the slug. One shot to the legs will typically halt a player in his tracks, giving you a HUGE amount of time to set up a kill shot for yourself. The Magnum buckshot sits in the rest of your magazine and serves largely as a backup round in the case you aren't able to have a quick followup, need a good way to suppress a hallway, or as a way of inaccurately taking a shot but still having a high possibility of hitting something. Their ability to one shot the face is huge, as it is with any buckshot, but also there is an additional factor people do not consider, especially with the latest changes: heavy and light bleed chances.
Although RIP rounds do give a very good, 40%, light bleed chance, the heavy bleed sits at a 20%. This is important since heavy bleeds are quite brutal to med supplies if there's no hemostat/tourniquet. It also forces the player to promptly to react to it due to the deadly nature of it. The combination of superperformance with magnum buckshot basically allows the player to suppress the victim in terms of blood loss, constantly reapplying bleeds if needed or just flat out killing the person with leg meta/arm meta.
Not even mentioning arm meta yet, nor the possibility of having both light&heavy bleeds, nor the possibility of having multiple bleeds on limbs from multiple buckshot hit locations, nor the extreme effectiveness on scavs, nor the effect of hitting legs with a hollowpoint slug, an arm shot with the slug can also be quite a deadly possibility.
My $0.02, AP20 requires high amount of accuracy to the chest/face, which is just flat out not possible and still requires repeated hits when dealing with stronger armors. Why not go for something that's consistent across the board, something that doesn't exactly rely on your ability to aim?
bleed is never viable. damage is too low and hemostats are 3-4k.
@@cheyhey2170 bleed is not viable for killing people. bleed possibly could kill somebody if you exhaust all their meds which is possible if you keep a distance, however this is not so common. instead i propose that a bleed instead lets you position yourself against the enemy so that you can get a killing blow on the enemy. bleed the enemy, flank, shoot a kiillign blow shot at the enemy when they least expect it.
bleed is viable, just not as pure damage. however if the enemy decides to not treat it with a hemostat, it will cause plenty of damage. so the point is most times, then enemy opts to deal with the heavy bleed usually as soon as possible, this gives you time to flank. i've pulled it off numerous times on open maps with range, you don't need bleeds at closer range since superperformance + magnum is a two shot kill or just two magnums.
Just say ur broke
@@georgemartinez4864 lol.
Why run slugs, its just a worse rifle round. I run magnum and go fir head / stomach or flechette if going to a place i think there are going to be a lot of faceshields
6.5 express is definitely the best if you are going for head, eyes. Each pellet does just enough damage to one shot and it has 9 pellets instead of 8 like the other buckshots. Also the faster shot travel and lower recoil help with trying to hit head, eyes. My favorite is the flachette because you can catch a chad off guard and aim center mass to rip him apart.
Only downside is that damage dropoff over distance can take that from a oneshot kill to a two shot.
@VodkaHellstorm Yep people don't get that, if the pellet does 35 damage, as soon as you lose even 1 point of damage to drop off..its not a 1 pellet kill anymore..
.50 BMG in a shotgun round is really bad IRL. I remember seing a test of it and the projectile had a really hard time going straight, it quite literally flipped sideways, so it's understandable that the pen value would be bad.
As well as the fact it’s moving so much slower out of a shotgun vs rifle
The thing everyone forgets is 12Ga is appx 73 Cal, so you're firing a projectile that's 2/3 the size of your bore, of course it's going to be as accurate as a blunderbuss.
I've seen a video testing flechette rounds IRL as well and it the penetration was very disappointing
Express is great. That extra pellet helps a lot when going for the head, eyes
Express is very underrated. It has much better accuracy than all other buckshot and has that extra pellet.
I always run flettche with MP153 in resort. It's really insane in CQB for the ability to headshot lv3 visor without accurate aim.
It still is AP20, however, this video made me look at flechette from a different point of view. I had no idea it did this much damage to armor.
that way even if you die, they still have to repair/replace their slicc. lol
@@SpaceMissile this alone helps me sleep at night lol
Flechette's spread is actually an upside instead lf a downside with thw shotgun buffs. Since theyre separate projectiles, you dont have ro perfectly aim at your enemy to hit.
This is amazing when doing extremely quick peeks and firing befire going for cover. This allows near instantaneous peeks that dont require high precision*
Get out of here Stalker!
Flechette is definitely what I want in factory or any close range engagements. But I almost always use ap-20 for anything else, such as the tasks on woods etc.
Same
@@captjc4415 At 50-75m on woods, buckshot is still reliable vs scavs. You will obviously need to shoot more because many of the pellets will miss, but some will also hit if your aim is a bit off, so it's not all bad.
@@B.D.B. nah ill stick with my 153 and ap20 rounds. Thrm 80m+ headshots and thorax kills feel so good
Nice vid as always. The zoom at 10:09 it make me a little sick LUL
I really love using flechette and movement to outplay my opponents. The spread is a little bit more than most 12/70 ammo so if you're not 100% on target they are still going to get hurt. And also with both high flesh and high pen it's great against a various range of targets as long as you stay away from those long range battles. It's also great as a tactical tool. When I just want to extract I might shoot 1 or 2 rounds at an enemy and then run away, almost being positive that I've incapacitated them in one way or another from pursuing me. Flechette + the high ergo, high accuracy of the mossberg shotgun makes the accuracy penalty is not that noticeable. I don't see a lot of people talking about how inaccurate most shotguns feel at most ranges. Mossberg is the most consistent one for me and I know exactly how it will handle. Not having to fight to much RNG in the gun mechanics makes the gunplay a lot more predictable.
Flechette hands down. If I'm in any sort of gunfight less than 50m or so, I don't want to have to worry about maybe needing to hit the target with 3 or 4 direct chest shots with the AP-20 if they have good armor. Better to just unload with a saiga.
I'd argue flechette is better at very close range, but AP20 is more flexible, especially at further ranges. Personally I'd rather know I can hit targets far away (because let's be honest, unless you're in factory you won't get to decide how far away your targets are half the time) and close up.
Flechette does seem very good for anything close but in many cases on Woods, Shoreline, Customs in the outside areas you'd be better off with AP-20 I'd think.
Maybe good idea to take a long range rifle, or maybe 5-7, along when using flechette on those long distance maps?
@@clamum I agree that on those maps, AP20 may be suited for more situations, but I also think it comes down to playstyle. If I have flechette, I will be doing my best to not peek or give angles at long range, I.E. flank on the back side of a hill to close the distance, play indoors, hug cover, etc. What you said about a rifle is nice too - sometimes early wipe it combos well with a barebones/scoped mosin just in case
Ive been an AP20 girl for a while but I'm definitely gonna bring flechette more often when I intend to get close up. Might also consider bringing a pistol as ranged backup when I do.
7:50 thx for keeping that in ;D it makes those videos more human and funnier ;P
9:06 indishting ;D very good video tho man these videos help a lot!
I find flachette really great for squad play because it annihilates armor, making enemies easier to kill in groups
Ap-20 is fun but flechette if I really want to just push aggressive.
Ap-20 might as well just use a dmr at that point if you want to snipe. Hell the 366 vepr makes more sense when you increase the range
Thing is that silenced shotguns barely make any sound when firing them so you can drop people from range and they won't have clue where shots are coming from if it takes multiple.
@@korassssssss it's got a quirk, it's viable in the sense it can drop people, but just not optimal for the role
What kind of strange dystopian watch mojo intro was that? 😂😂 I loved it
What is the best ammo for shooting sprinting targets at range?
I.e. which bullets travel the fastest/need the least amount of lead/have the least drop?
Do bullets lose pen power over distance/are they more likely to fragment at extreme ranges vs inside 100m?
How big of a difference is a 3+moa rifle vs a sub-moa (260mm m4 vs say a FAL) for spread cone?
Is moa accuracy implemented correctly in Tarkov?
Saiga with flechette looks pretty scary even from a distance
If you miss with a slug you do 0 dmg but the spread is surely going to catch your armor legs and arms if not even kill you which is another consideration, you don't need to be as accurate and you can just peak and shoot unlike using slugs where you have to take your time to aim...
AP 20 is for the ranged engagements, whilst Flechette is the CQB. It's always satisfying to kill those juiced out M4 users in Factory with Flechette lol! 20g for next test?
Have you ever tested alternating rounds? Like shredding the armour with a flechette and following up with a round that does the maximum damage to soft tissue. Something like RIP.
I do this and it works must 2 amor pen the 1 soft rense wash repeat said process
I like the Poleva-6u slug, its accessible early and does decent overall. Flechette and 6.5 are also a decent early choice. I find the FTX are also comparable to the Poleva-6u slugs.
Forgot one thing.. Express buckshot have a chance to NOT onetap head (35 DMG vs 35 health)... Just a distance can make it... In this way 7mm or 5.25 are way better than express for anything like 10-15 meters and more.
Can we talk about how his shotgun could shoot 10 times
He cut it out after the 9th shot. Not hard to see at all.
@@SonOfAThreat IT WAS SO EASY FOR YOU HUH? MR SMART MAN HUH?
@@SonOfAThreat ooo rationed by DAXE
To everybody saying "Yeah AP20 is the best"
Why exactly are you running a shotgun?
SNB does the exact same job, M80 does the Job. Cheaper, with more range, higher mag capacity.
You're paying twice the Amount for something that can fail to pen class 4 Armor and sacrficing either Full Auto or Mag Capacity.
Exactly! Its really dumb. if i choose to use a shotgun im using flechette and magnum buck because when I shoot a shotgun, I want it to fulfill its actual intended purpose of spreading out over a target...
Tasks.
well...task....
You say SNB and M80 do the same job, but you forget that they dont even have half the damage of AP-20. AP-20 still inflicts massive damage with shots that dont hit center mass where as SNB and M80 will take more than twice the amount of shots to do the same.
Shotguns is incredible useless in tarkov, thats disgusting.
Good to see the in depth analysis, could you add a price check to each one? Obviously it wouldn't be 100% but it's be neat to see for example the roubles difference between flechette and AP-20
Once you unlock jaeger, the price of either doesnt really matter. Great to see the diff though. Shotgun shells r cheap.
@@tetohamaroo True but iirc AP20 is like level 4 which isn't quick, idk what flechette is , so it'd be kinda neat to see imo for some late game trader stuff.
@@Usernameneverseen Flechette is level 3 Jaeger for 77rub. Ap 20 is lvl 4 for 196rub. Flechette never sells in black market, yet ap20 always sells for 850rub a shell on there. Workbench in hideout makes 120 ap-20 shells for one red gunpowder and one Hard drive. Sorry if ur new bro. Jaeger is a shit to level up but it isnt too hard since most of his missions require killing scavs early. The later ones are so rough. Will take me a whole day to finish one since im bad lol. gl
BTW i dont know which level of workbench it is
Depends the map if it is customs I will pack ap 20 and have flechette in my pocket and factory ill have flechette and no ap 20 most other maps the same as customs
Been using saiga a lot this wipe.
Magnum buck is my go to for taking off faces or legs.
If I wanted to use ap20 why wouldn’t I just use an actual gun for one projectile.
For me flechette is super inconsistent, I’ve never really liked using it
Awesome. Very useful. That AP-20 accuracy is surprising to say the least.
From when I first took a quick look at the ammo charts, flechet seemed like a no brainer right away, never really got the AP20 hype. I mean yes, you get the extended distance, but you also need to nail all your shots which is easier said than done, and why even use a shotty at that point? With flechet you might not land all the rounds, but you can also "miss" and still land some hits, much easier to spam, especially if you're aiming at a group of players. Glad to see the testing more or less lined up with what I thought.
You missed the perfect leg meta sniping meme, the SF slug with the top of the class 4.0 moa and a possible to tap to leg since it has 220 dmg and only 439 is needed. Bonus meme: muzzle velocity is higher than 762x39s when fired from modded 153s.
Quality Vid keep up the good work vox just here to help you out with the algorithm :)
My favs Flechettes i accidently 1 tapped my buddies head through lvl 3 and both he and i were shocked when he dropped... so i just loved them since.
But what about superformance? It has 220 damage while a PMC has 440 health. Should be enough to two-shot a leg unless the game does some rounding shenanigans.
That coupled with its insane accuracy bonus can make it a better RIP, not to mention they can be bought from traders unlike RIPs.
8:34 It's best to run AP-20 if you're planning on using the Salvo. If Flechette, use the Choke
Can we talk about how detailed the shells are? Holy shit
It’s why I love this game
Ap20 shell is so accurate
@vox_e did you test rip slugs against armor? curious how it does compared to the flechette ammo
AP-20 if I'm only taking in one weapon. Flechette if I have something else equipped for ranged engagements.
Can you test 7.62x39?
So my question is, do I shoot armor or go for leg meta? I try to shoot in the chest/head area but it doesnt seem like I can kill people(maybe im just bad at aiming in this particular game).
I use AP-20 and magnum buckshots, I guess I will have to try flechette and expresso nespresso rounds as well...
Try Flechette you don't need to worry about where you aim. Just point at the general direction and spam. Ain't got to be that accurate as well, you gonna rekt limps, armor and head.
Thanks for all your work on these videos, Vox!
Just to let ya know, I think from my recollection people have tried 50 bmg in a shotgun shell, and the main problem is the lack of normal 50bmg amounts of powder in the shell, and the lack of a rifled barrel, it sucks ass at penetration.
What's really dumb with AP-20, however, is I was one tapped with it through my altyn. I don't understand it myself. In the health screen is showed one count of damage from it and that was literally all the damage I had from the raid. I heard one shot as well so I doubt it glitched. Legit one tapped through level 5, I feel that to some extent AP-20 has it's own bugs and manages to pen higher tier armors.
I just got 1 tapped from ap20 with lvl 4 armour from like 200m away tarkov is a bitch sometimes
Flechette is my go-to
If you can hit you shots in the head, you can just 1-tap and secure a kill
Fletchetts IRL is quite insane. Never seen something so penetrated.
i've always loved flechette, but after a few situations where I was dumping my mag onto scavs 20 feet away, not being able to kill them, I gave up on it. i get 1 tapped by buckshot from 50 feet away, I would've thought that after 9 rounds or so, i'd be able to whittle down their naked ass head for the kill with flechette, but it rarely happens lol.
Just got killed by a pistol pmc with armor when using flechette, I got 17 dart hits on him and did almost 400 damage and I lost the fight lol, flechette can definitely let u down whereas slugs are just down to whether or not you can actually hit without any spread aiding you
Protip, dont use flechette at long range? Lol its accuracy is shit, and it can’t even 1 tap the head with a single pellet, using it for cqc only is a given
Good ole Aussies, "Some of UZE may be wondering" Love it ahah
Here I am thinking about the ftx round. The budget ap20.
12.7 mm Ash-12 ammo testing when?
No reason to use anything but PS12B.
Don't bother with that gun. You'll get better results with the VPO-209 and .366 AP for much less.
@@B.D.B. its a fun gun as the other guy said go for legs and it shreds i think it has a round that is around 120 flesh damage
Really?@@B.D.B.
@@tirushone6446 That was true then, but there have been a lot of patches since. Have a look at the ballistics table on the wiki, I'm pretty sure it still has better pen and enough dmg for 1 chest tap for cheaper.
So it makes sense to carry both types of flech for CQ when you don't have time to aim, and AP for long range. Though I'd say 20AP are more reliable.
All these testing videos need to be redone now that they've fixed the blacked limb bugs.
Long shots = AP-20, close shots = fleshetta
My prayers have been answered !!! Ty for the detailed guide !!!
Just now I dropped a guy with full killa helmet and that lvl 5 armor rig, using nothing but a Saiga with 20 round drum filled with 6.5mm buckshot. I'd like to say I leg meta'd him, but I panicked and spammed fire center mass. So I technically arm meta'd him. The armor was undamaged, which is the best part.
So basically the ap20 is good for long range fights or if youre accurate.. Flechette is for close quarters
0:49 7mm Buckshot leg shots
1:02 Express Buckshot leg shots
1:09 Magnum leg shots
1:18 RIP slug leg shots
1:36 Express Buckshot armor test
3:12 Dual Sabot armor test
4:29 .50 BMG slug armor test
5:08 .50 BMG vs Flechette armor test
5:28 Flechette armor test
6:51 .50 BMG vs Flechette shots to kill
7:12 AP-20 armor test
8:18 AP-20 vs Flechette
8:36 AP-20 Visor test
9:11 Flechette Visor test
9:38 Leg meta rounds
10:09 Express vs Buckshot spread test
11:33 Flechette vs AP-20 spread test
Magnum buckshot in the saiga I havnt found to be to great, but in some situations, you can absolutely shred juice boy squads. Also good to know flechette is decent.
Magnum bucksshot works miracles for me since it does over 35 damage to one shot a head
Green poleva from jager in the 153 or saiga, it just works, I don't know how, but it just works
Ive had the best overall sucess with 8.5. Its decent at range its a killer up close and good hip fire.
GJ in testing it,
I love to use a modded saiga with just 82 vetical recoil, flashlight and drummag.
this gun is insane in close combat, still decent on medium range if i get a few hits on the target.
But I would like to see, on which distance the fleshdamage/armor damage of those flechette are going down.
Is it possible to kill a person from a distance of 100 meters through thorax?
A lot of work and very nice video. Keep it up!
How about a mix of 2? Flechette & AP-20.
i only like running a shotgun on factory and i have to say magnum buckshot always does me proud
Reserve and Factory flachette is really good even if you don’t get the drop on someone
Why not test rip slugs against any of the armor? The pure damage of the round would likely deal quite a bit of blunt damage even with good armor.
Why aim for armor when you can hit their legs and stop their movement?
@@retagainez easier said than done most of the time
@@robertdover5185 Yeah, true. A well modded out shotgun makes it a lot easier though especially if you do hit them in the legs, they can't exactly move much anymore.
My gripe with going for armor is that RIP slug isn't supposed to be a kill round: too much reliance on your own accuracy, you need the drop on the enemy, etc... If you want that, just go with magnum buckshot you have a much higher chance to headshot a guy or causing him to bleed or just leg meta him if close.
Actually, .50 BMG slug shoild be like worst ammo since the 12.7 round does not actually fly in the air as we expected. It tumbles and spinning while flying the air so it can't really do a damage to armor irl. Shooting 50 bmg 12gauge rounds to armor is like throwing rocks to steel.
How about RIP ammo? It’s so expensive but is it effective ?
VoX doing gods work, keep it up brother
Bmg at shotgun velocity behind a shell isnt the same as a barret 50 cal shooting it
idk y but the 8.5 slaps really hard even from longer distance
Does anyone know how a choke reacts to flechette or buck? Do you get a tighter spread?
Exit camping with flechette is so fun it my go to ammo for shotguns.
The .50 BMG round that we see in Tarkov is not an actual full on .50 BMG bullet. The actual piece of metal that is being sent down range is a cut off of the normal boat tail bullet design. While you certainly can put a full .50 BMG bullet in a shotgun shell, if you go online to look that up, you'll see quickly that the bullet extends further than the plastic shell. You can load that in a shotgun via the breech, but you can't load it into the magazine safely.
While of course this is a video game, and most of this doesn't mean too much because as a video game, the mechanics are completely made up, I felt like I should explain it, because it is an important distinction. Its why the description for the round is the way it is. Someone is just cutting a bullet in half and stuffing it in a shotgun shell.
Just saying but the .50 bmg slug isnt the same as shooting a rifle cartridge .50 bmg just look up shotgun .50 bmg
Just got 17 hits on an armored pistoleer PMC with flechette (with like 3 or 4 chest shots), did 370 dmg and only like 120 was absorbed by armor, before he shot me through my helmet. It was a good fight but I kept waiting for the flechette to do its job and it failed me lol
My suggestion: go for hollowpoint slugs for initiating fights or disabling their movement with a shot to their legs and magnum buckshot for finishing/doing huge amounts of damage to the enemy.
@@retagainez not a bad suggestion. It's damn hard to win a 1v1 or a 1v2 in my experience if I start the fight by having a blacked leg
@@sgtjohnson49 Yup
@@sgtjohnson49 its just a lot easier to guarantee a blacked-out leg than to worry about face tapping or thorax shooting a guy 3-4 times
I kill Killa quite reliably with 2-3 AP-20, the downside his mask is always 0-roed. I generally I go for 5Flech+5AP-20 (in saiga 10 round mag) and I almost never seen person surviving, even if I miss 2-3.
You should try out the star ammo, I heard its good.
How did i get oneshot by ap-20 to thorax when i had defender tier 5 armor
theres always some chance to pen, and ur chest doesnt like that 160 damage slug in it
im using magnum 8.5 to shoot around chest with the idea to hit face on the range. or someth like this
The gorilla sized arm hitboxes catch 90% of the flechettes for me making it wildly inconsistent
Yeah, thats why I use AP20 or 8.5 magnum. I'm either aiming with the slugs or im looking to shred the targets arms/legs/stomach and face if im lucky.
Usefull guide, I run 7mm buckshot and it destroys everything if you go for the legs.
Would alternating rounds between ap and flechette be good in something like a saiga or should I do one or the other. Aps just a bit expensive
It would be annoying for those who kill you and take the ammo out in raid. ^~^
Why did I get one tapped from an ap20 from like 200m away with lvl 4 armour wtf
What about the other dodo slug ammo?
So flechettes for factory ap for anywhere else basically
fa da if you stick in buildings on pretty much every map fletchete will work tho
@@silentshiba1613 true enough
guessing the led slugs are worthless too then?
Most of my engagements are close range anyways, so flechette is king in my book. I always said if they made the view on scopes better for shotguns, I'd be sniping with AP-20s 😎
what's the outfit with digital watch?
I learned fletchettes was solid when I decided to try it and dropped two people wearing gen 4s like it was nothing